2:00 P.M. with Irene Choi, Lucas Iverson and Lyn Paolo

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Was that in the 1900s? Yeah, I went charts for it in my candlelight. Welcome to the pit podcast. The official companion to the pit from HBO Max. I'm Dr. Luke Patel.

And I'm Hunter Harris.

This week it was 2 o'clock on the pit,

which means episode 8. And today we're going to get to hear from Irene Troy, who plays Troy Kwon, and Lucas Iversen, who plays James Ogilvie. I showed up for the fitting and people were like,

"Hey, you're a gunner." And I was like, "A lot?" [LAUGHTER] And they're like, "Tell me. They're as I'm like trying 60 T-shirts on."

They're like, "Yeah, here you have so much beef with Javadi." And I was like, "Wait, who the f-ck is this guy?" And then we'll go outside the pit to talk about that hospital, fashion, and drip with Lynn Paolo, the show's costume designer.

Go through the whole thing. We'd deep descriptions from the doctors of how much blood that would be. Research on blood splatter. I feel like I'm working on Dekster.

You know what I did? Today's shift starts now. Under this episode starts out with yet another reminder that our pit crew cannot catch a break because now they're working in the already crazy ER

and the computers are down.

Any healthcare professional, basically anyone

who's worked in a hospital in some capacity knows that this situation is a workflow and logistical nightmare because we rely on the computer to basically do almost everything

when it comes to patient care labs, imaging orders, communicating with one another all of it. Honestly, sounds like my nightmare. And I just use my phone to see memes. It memes matter, too.

That's the thing. So even in-between patients, they can't look at memes. Let's relive this catastrophic workflow moment. - Okay, let's say, for example, Dr. Alice Shemia is a new patient with belly pain.

- For the history, circle the positives, like vomiting and diarrhea, backslash the negative, such as recent travel, sick contact, fever, for physical exam, check mark normals on the left and circle any abnormal findings on the right.

Questions?

“Is there a generative AI program still gonna be working?”

Not for a while and did your specter-length phones, so your voice over internet. - Santos had to slip that in. (laughing) - She had to slip that in.

- No, the charting is gonna be double duty now. No, she's all by hand. Is that how that would work? - Yeah, I have so many thoughts here. So like, this scene really elaborates

just how much hospitals and physicians, nurses, all of us rely on the computer system. And if there is scheduled downtime, we call it. There usually is a plan in place. And people have some type of organized structure.

We see Dr. Robbie kind of saying like, "Charts go here for bug bites. They go here for anything that's above the belt. That needs to be in the ER." But all these other little things that people don't think

about, Dr. Alice Shemia mentioned, like the phones are gonna be down because there are in hospital phones you can no longer use. There's a part towards the end of the episode

when you notice that people aren't using ballpoint pens to write on the forms, which they go through all the bottom layers. I will tell you, literally last night in the hospital, we had a transferred patient.

And I signed this form with a felt tip pen, just like somebody did in this episode. And nurses like, "Hey, idiot, you've done this before. "It doesn't go to the bottom layer." And so it seems like that.

It seems like making lab orders aren't going to excellent accent, like there's so many little things, it's like a set of dominoes.

“- Yeah, so I would call that my nightmare, I think.”

Is this how they, is this how stuff happened? Like, I don't know, what does Joy say in the olden times, like in the 1900s? This really felt like it was very triggering to me as someone who, I don't know what I would do

even like for an hour without having access to the internet. Like, just set with my own thoughts, absolutely not. - I will say it's like a little moment for us to check our privilege a little bit. It's like, yes, back in the day here.

There was a lot of medical care that was done without computers, but when people go and work and resource poor areas, when they work overseas, like they're doing this by hand. They don't have the same medical charts we do.

like things are pretty old school. I know someone who works in a clinic, in an underserved area, and they were still using old school X-ray film. Like, you know what I'm like?

“The shelves are they're holding the film up to a light?”

Like, I haven't done that in my entire medical care in the United States once overseas.

- Wow, that's incredible.

Yeah, I guess I do, I have a new appreciation, I suppose, for how things used to be done. But as a resident, young person, I'm like, how are they gonna get through this day? Everyone's already stressed enough.

And now, like, having to relearn new, I guess, workflow is gonna just, I think, ratchet up the tension in a really interesting way. - Oh, it just says the episode up for some more drama. We get Santos, it's gonna get a little,

that little one minor, but like, where's your LLM now? So moving on, another interesting medical moment. We have this patient coming in, who's heavier set, they need to establish an airway. No immediately, based on what we've seen in the show,

people are thinking, "Intubation." 'Cause all pit viewers are basically, you know, screen experts at intubating, but they do a nasal, trachial intubation hunter. Have you ever seen this?

Have you heard of this before to the surprise you? - Okay, so again, why would I see this? I was interested to see how everyone kind of responded with different levels of sensitivity, most of the staff with a lot of sensitivity,

Ogle V with absolutely none. I was shocked. - Shocker. - The moment of him saying, "Why don't we try the zoo "if we need to get a CT?"

I was like, "Oh, first of all, that's so rude."

It's like, "Well, he can hear you." - So believe it or not, and I have not personally been involved in one of these situations. I have heard stories about people calling zoos,

asking to use their CT scans because of the weight or size limits in hospitals. Now, again, I'm not sure how this is evolved over time. We've heard these stories. You can, like, anyone can go and, like,

look up on the internet and you'll see case reports about it. There are even case reports of zoos refusing patients, which is interesting. I've even heard stories about animals from the zoo

going to hospitals to use their CT scans. I've referring to his radiologist, and they once got a mongos that they had to take an image up. So hey, listen, we're all animals at the end of the day. We've got to help each other.

But you're right, you know, Ogil V is not ditching any empathy right now. He's asking about, you know, "We go V, Ocempic, "water robex people like, "Hey, can we please take care of this man?"

“But I think, you know, what we're starting to see”

in this episode, in this season is stories of empathy and relatability. 'Cause this gentleman, like, he's got his way to issues, but he acknowledges it. He talks about, you know, how he lost his job,

and he got injured, and he's got a little bit of a sense of humor too, which makes him likable. - I really relate to, you know, him feeling the awkwardness, but like still needing attention, I guess. And I can't imagine how it feels to be coming in,

you know, basically afraid for your life,

and then not even been created with dignity as a human by, you know, someone who's supposed to be taking care of you on your medical team who's basically asking you, like, "How did you even get like this? "What's wrong with you?"

I just really made me sad to watch. - There was a lot of underlying empathy and stories of human connections in this episode, but let's go back to the fun procedure that captivates Hunter Harris, the nasal tricula intubation.

Let's see it in action. - Okay, Howard, hold still. I am now going in Pastor vocal cords until we see the corona. - Oh, Goli. - Oh, there.

Right in left mainstream. - And the two slides in. And let's go, comes out. Right. - Okay, so I become viscerally uncomfortable watching something accord being pulled out of a nose,

but that was very cool to watch. - It's kind of beautiful, right? It's like, it's kind of beautiful. - I do like the word, "Kalina," what is that? - "Kalina," yeah. - "Kalina."

We have to give a shout-out to the pro-master with that image in the video, and the model that was used, because I'm pretty sure they didn't actually nasal tricula intubate a patient.

That would be, if I'd be violent in some standards. But there's landmarks that they're looking for. The first one is a vocal cord. When that looks like the little window and they see that, so they know they're heading down,

the windpipe and not accidentally into the esophagus in the stomach, past that. And then the coronavirus, right where you're lungs split off, and that's where Ogovies, like, "Hey, there's the coronavirus." And that's a good spot to leave the tube.

I can't wait to hear from my colleagues who were in anesthesia who have done this procedure and understand it, to kind of get a comparison about how smooth it is in this episode of Versus Real Life.

“But honestly, if you got to get an airway in a patient,”

plan A oftentimes is through the mouth, but guess what, sometimes there's issues with the jaw, there's facial trauma, there's mechanical problems. If somebody's heavier, said it might be harder

Nazo-trake-ill, it means nose, then windpipe, then you're getting them, that secure airway, and our pick-who does it masterfully. - Sorry. - Oh, my God. - I remember. - Great.

“If everybody else can remember their patient names”

and their room numbers, that would be all-- - No, I mean, I can remember all of it. - All of what? - Names, doctors, room numbers. I kind of have a photograph memory. - Another victory, and like a secret victory for joy.

It's kind of a badass. - Kind of, I'm obsessed with joy. Joy is like the goat of the season for me.

- And I'm like, first of all, she's got this

savant photographic memory that comes out of nowhere, has the entire board memorized. - I love how humble she is about it too. She's like, "Oh, I remember my patients, "and also everyone else is."

'Cause yeah, I kind of have a photograph of memory, sorry. And also poor Whitaker, who tried to stop a photo of the board and it was just completely out of focus. I'm like, I know he's not an Instagram boyfriend. That's why he's a far-and-boy friend.

- She comes in and drops the diagnosis on this patient with a rash that Javadi and Ogoli are having their gunner battle about. - A rash is an understatement. I'll say that.

“- Dr. Robbie, we picked up a patient together.”

- Teamwork. - It's the concerning bullets, rash. - We might need a biopsy for Pemphagus folk here. - Try to put a dermatitis. - What?

- I asked.

He was making three gallons of Margarita's more party,

squeezing fresh limes out in the sun. - It's got to take a peek. - I don't want to see it again. - That was kind of a mic drop moment from Joy. No, I love the way she says, I don't need to see it again.

Like, I've handled it. Don't worry. - So Joy was right, you know, according, obviously according to Dr. Robbie, but she's describing phyto-photo-dermatitis.

This is a condition in which you get these chemicals from certain plants, these photo-sensitive chemicals, limes and lemons have them, they get on your skin. Then there's a chemical reaction from UVA radiation from the sun and you get this rash.

- I do like that at the very end of that scene, Dr. Robbie, reminds this patient to wear sunscreen, because I don't know if you know, no one wears sunscreen enough. And that is like maybe one of my favorite causes

to remind people. - Are you wearing sunscreen right now? - Hey, Squares. - Absolutely, I am. - So the nurse exam and I're supposed to lock up the rape kit in this fridge where it stays

until it gets turned over to law enforcement. Let's call preserve in the chain of evidence. - Are you fucking kidding me? - Is there a problem? - She's Christ.

Police is supposed to pick up the rape kits within 72 hours. This one I did two weeks ago. - So the computers aren't working. The system has been shut down.

Everything's going back to paper. And Nourstina is still in a private room collecting the exam for the woman who was sexually assaulted. Meaning Princess has to step in in step up as charge nurse

because they're saying it can't leave the room legally as she's collecting all of his evidence. - Oh, charge nurse Dana's mad, rightfully so. - That was like the most maybe despicable part of this entire episode.

Her opening the refrigerator and like that the police wouldn't even care to come pick up after we've just seen how exhausting emotionally and physically that type of examination is was so sad.

- Yeah, I'm with you. - Yeah, especially when I mean she,

“she said I think to nurse Emma in the very beginning”

that sometimes you might have to be called upon to testify or to, you know, peer-and-court as you're, 'cause you're a little neglecting evidence. - Speaking of appearing in court. - Oh, okay. - Oh, okay.

- Incredible transition. I'm gonna give you your tents for that one. Finally, it is time will almost for Mel to go upstairs and be deposed. And I'm so happy that Dr. Ellis, the night resident,

who had just come down from her deposition says we're not, we can't talk about the case, but I'm just giving you a monologue that you are allowed to over here. And we learn that the patient

that's involved in this malpractice suit is the spinal tap from season one. The malpractice case is frivolous. The mother of the measlescare claims we cause intellectual decline by perform this spinal tap,

but the tap was perfect with no complications. Her son presented it with altered mental status to the low oxygen from measles pneumonia. Any change in intellect was due to high toxic brain injury at nothing to do with your spinal tap.

End of monologue.

We never discussed the case.

I'm gonna get some sleep. The amount of times that parents or families have threatened to sue us, because you're child needs this treatment, it's life or death, and they're like fine,

but if anything goes wrong, I'm gonna sue you. I can't wait to hear from the lawyers about this scene. Like I'm just curious to hear what they're gonna say, like how we legalize that and what Dr. Ellis did, who's this and they'll never have,

- Well, I write for Dr. King, she needed it.

“- That's not what you. - That's why I'm talking.”

- I'm not on the side of malpractice lawyer, unless it's my team, King, King, L.S. team, not you people. - Right. - Unless there's an actual issue that warrants an investigation, because they do happen,

but we know that in this situation, it wasn't. - Dr. Langlan's episode is giving lonely boy Gossip Girl Dan Humphrey. Like everyone is either avoiding him or ignoring him. - It's so specific.

- Well, it's the truth. I do kind of feel not something like a boy mom, but are you gonna feel bad for him this episode? Santos is kind of, if not actively ignoring him, really trying to like stay out of his way,

obviously Robby's not speaking to him. And a real nice moment of connection is that Dr. McKay says, you know,

the first year's a bride is a hardest

and I know because I'm mine, you're sober. And that was, I think it very sweet, small moment between the two of them I thought was really nice. Especially, Dr. McKay is having a hard day on her own that she's kind of taking him out

to extend an olive branch. I thought was very sweet. - That was a, it was your first shift back going. - One day at a time.

“- First year of sub-resariness, that's what they keep telling me.”

- I'm nine years in counting. - Oh, special delivery for my guy. If you don't, if you need anything, call me. - Thanks. - It was great visual acting, too,

'cause the minute she said that, Lainton had this look of relatability, connection, recognition, recognition, recognition. If I like, oh my gosh, somebody here gets it.

- This is a really good episode for the medical students. This, if we got a lot of stuff from Joy, from Oglevy, from Javadi, so I was impressed. And actually this week on Inside The Pit, we have Irene Choi, who plays Joy Kwon,

and Lucas Iversen, who plays James Oglevy. Let's check it out. - Differential for syncopy in an adolescent. Cardiac arrhythmia from John, Songi T, WPW, or Brugata. - Brugata is more combination males.

- Let's still should be considered. - Long on sir, Brugata prevalence is 1 in 20,000. In North America, it has 1 in 300 in Asia and the Middle East. - Irene, Lucas, thank you so much for being with us today. Because I'm sorry, like, Joy is one of my favorite characters.

- Thank you. - And Oglevy, Oglevy, I love to hate a little bit, I guess. But I want to start, how did you guys come on to the show? What were your auditions, and what was the whole process? - I remember submitting my tape and thinking I didn't do well. It was a really chaotic week.

Literally, I was actually getting married that week. The audition was like, do the day before my in-laws now and laws were coming into town. And I remember messaging my reps back and just saying, I had no time to prepare for this. I did such an awful job. Can I just retake for this?

And then they were like, oh, actually they want to bring you back for it. And I was like, oh, okay. And it was like, we honestly, I know people say this law, but it was a really, really organic process. I cried when I first got this role, not because it was like,

such an emotional scene or really anything. But for me, for me personally,

the English and women in this industry, I had, I had never,

it's been so rare. It's really rare for me to get a part. That's so genuine and authentic. - A slow clap to that. - Lucas, what was your audition like? - I had already seen the show. I overlapped with Patrick at in grad school. So in support of him, I watched the first episode.

I was like, damn, it was pretty good. Let me keep watching. And by the time this rolled around, this was my fifth audition. And I had finished the season. And I was so in love with the show. Similarly, I was like, well, there's absolutely no way.

“I remember that it was also a crazy week.”

I had like four other auditions that week on top of my New York day job schedule. So I woke up. I went and I coached debate. And then I went to a restaurant. No, I taped the audition. And then I had to go and coach debate and then work at a restaurant. And as I was getting on the subway, I stopped and called my manager.

And I was like, I think that's wrong. I think I did the wrong thing. Can you hold the tape and can we get an extension? And then he was like, okay, yes, let me ask. We got the extension approved for one day. I was like, great.

I worked that first job. I worked that second job.

I come home at midnight. My best friend. I'm lucky enough lives the floor below me in this building in New York. And so I like knock on her door and I'm like, can you help me retake this? We go up. We start taping at midnight. We finish at 1 a.m.

And that retaping was sort of the thing. I don't know what it was. But I just like understood the scene in a very different way than what I had originally done. And it just clicked all the way through. Oh, that's that love. I love the hustle from both of you.

“So Lucas, you were in grad school. What were you studying or specializing in grad school?”

Acting this a little birdie told me that you have theater experience. And I think this is fascinating because we've also a hundred and I've heard from the show of the show creators about how they, they want to inject some theater into the character. So I was wondering if you could elaborate a little bit on what Lucas brings to Ogovi in terms of theater and that in that background. For sure. Yes, I love theater.

Theater is my first love. I'm just working on, I'm prepping another play right now. And this actually, I did like four lines on the gilded age a year, like just just after I left a little co-star. Larry, Larry, you're right this way. Two more from my friends. Have a scene. This is my partner, Jack Trader. We heard about the clock. Well, I do hope you have a good evening from Chicago. And I had no other real camera experience than this. So like the

“theater muscle, sort of the only thing I had to bring. But it really is similar. I see why they want”

people who do a lot of theater. When we started shooting, I immediately was aware of the pace of how we work, how we'll finish one take and immediately launch into another. And it's so funny. The camera operators are crawling all around. They're like, oh, it's so hands on. I remember we were doing our first scene with the dummy and Amy on B cam is like hiding somewhere behind me. I'm not really sure. And they're like doing scene doing the scene. And then I look over and she's

right here next to my face. And I was like, oh, fuck, you know. But like the muscle is stay in it no matter what. You don't know if it's on you. So every take, be all the way in. No freebees, no light work, commit, commit, commit. And I think that's that's something tangible. That theater would translate to here. Well, what is it like to join such a big ensemble, especially a show

“in its second season? I was in posture syndrome through the whole thing. I had never been”

on a show with so many people classically professionally trained. It's like, you watch this show. It's so good. You watch season one. It's so good. And for me, it's like if someone gave me this

like painting. And it was like an amazing painting. And they gave me a paintbrush, you know. And

then they were like, here you add something. Or if someone gave me this amazing like dish at a restaurant and the chef was like, you add something. And I'm like, oh, I don't want to fuck this up. So I didn't want to be the person. That was going to, you know, like, f up the formula. And so to me, like that's kind of how I felt. It was just an amazing experience to be honest at where you see that sort of you see a lot of people just fostering each other. You know, despite your experiences or where

you're coming from. Similarly, I also had unreal and posture syndrome. But for the exact opposite reason, I was like, looking at Irene and I was like, oh, that is someone who knows how to work at camera. You know? And I did not know that. And I felt like I was learning how to do the job on the job in a lot of ways and how do you scale things down and all of these questions. And so my anxieties were all like, oh, you're deeply learning how to do this. And you're going to be learning

how to do this. And so many millions of people now, my therapist was like, think about it this way.

It's you and 10 million of your best friends learning how to do this together. And I was like,

yeah, I'm for sure, for sure, for sure, for sure. That's right. That's right. But everybody was so lovely and so welcoming and it made it really fun to learn and it made it fun to just show up every day and try again and again and again and everybody was so giving such grace. It's like it was an actor's paradise. You know, simultaneously a gym and a stage and a moment of reflection all in one. It was lovely. Irene at the premiere. I was honored to meet you. And I was talking

about how much I appreciate that joy kind of has this humility. But then she like rolls in like a homie missile with these pearls of wisdom in these huge moments. And one of them is like as a physician, I can empathize with the chaos of the code black and the computer's being down and enjoy just

rolls in with this like photographic memory and gets the chart down. There's also this really powerful

moment where Joy talks about health care pricing and her own experience. And so there's these little elements where you get a little bit more of the layers of the onion peeled back, if you will. So I'm going to ask you how does Joy actually feel about the emergency department and how do you

is like an evolution of kind of my attitude change. I come in kind of hostile and and I contextually speaking, I mean I love I love Lucas as a person but Joy does not like Ogobie. And I had to think about that in terms of myself. And I myself personally, I do not thrive in competitive environments.

“And Ogobie coming on so strong, I think she sort of just checks out. You know, and it's not”

really the environment for her to shine when she's paired with this, this louder, this louder character essentially. You can say, you can say it. You know, and it's just like, she gets these sort of like, I think she's sort of triggered by these sort of like white man's flaming vibes that she's probably dealt with her entire life. This is just sort of one of those things. It's like, I can't I don't want to deal with this anymore. And and Scott Gamble, he gave me this breakdown

the story that Joy is the daughter of immigrants, Korean immigrants, and that she goes into this film because she had, um, her family members didn't have health care, you know, and that was that actually is when it really hit for me. Because I grew up in a family where my parents strongly push me toward medicine. And there's a struggle of she knows that she's smart. She doesn't know she belongs here. But at the same time, I don't know if she wants to be there. But maybe she

doesn't want to be there because she doesn't feel like she belongs there. It's like to sort of chicken or the egg bag. You know, so I think she comes up as really defensive as like, you know, it's kind of she's sort of self-sabotage, right? It means that if she doesn't get to move forward,

she can say, I never wanted this in the first place. But at the same time, Joy is someone that is,

“I think, very used to being misunderstood with the secret wish for being more understood yet at the”

same time does not let anyone in. It just explains so much complexity of Joy. I'm happy for her to be, I'm fine with her being misunderstood because I think that's kind of in some ways that's her like defense mechanism. I appreciate your transparency with that. Look, because I want to ask you about about Ogolvi and specifically two-part question. Number one, did you get any type of briefing on what a gunner medical student was and what there was so some body because Ogolvi like nails it?

I know like seven Ogolvi, so I was like, oh my gosh, Lucas nailed this character. What do you got? 10-foot fall. That's a long way down.

10-feet is professional for trauma center activation. 10-feet 10 percent mortality.

Zero percent. Anything over zero percent is a concern.

“So I wanted to ask you that two-part question. Did you do some preparation?”

Had to be a gunner? And how do you think Ogolvi feels in these moments when he's like, oh my gosh, wait a minute, I'm not perfect. I sort of didn't know much about Ogolvi other than like the sides that that's sort of all we got at first is we had our sides that we auditioned with and then we showed I showed up for the fitting and people were like, hey, you're a gunner and I was like, what? And they're like, tell like they're as I'm like trying 60 t-shirts on. They're like,

yeah, here you have so much beef with Javadi and I was like, wait, who the f-cuses guy, you know? When we were shooting episode one, we're filming the scene where Ethan Bostick dies and we're looking at his dead body and Irene, you said something like, we should all be so lucky forever. We have this little moment where we're staring at him and John comes in and he's like, yeah, Lucas, you're looking too sympathetic. You really don't give a shit. You don't give a shit.

And I was like, really? Okay, I'll look meaner and then on a little break that we had when we were sitting up another shot, I mustard my courage because I was so afraid to talk to him and I went up to John and I was like, hey, am I being too much of an asshole? And John was like, you were not being nearly enough of an asshole. Your job is to be the biggest gang asshole and he gave me this whole breakdown about what a gunner really is and what this gunner really is and then Dr. Lizzy was

also there who's one of our incredible doctors that we have on set real life emergency room

physician, amazing human being and she contributed with these stories about what gunners are and what they've been and we probably spent eight or nine minutes just and I was just like soaking it up like a sponge and we ended up going back and shooting a scene again so that I could be even worse. That sort of began my hate relationship with Oglie. I really hated that guy for a really long

prominent in today's world which is I believe you could summarize him by saying he believes that

people are largely directly responsible for the state of their lives and he's so certain of it even though it's really flimsy and over the course of the shift it chips away and and he slowly

“learns that that world view is not exactly compatible with reality and I think that that has a”

cost for him not only in terms of his ego but also I think what he values in medicine so like a big moment for him that just happened is when he's watching Robbie give the ulogy for Louie and he's sort of thinking about oh is this what it is to be a doctor look at all of this care and this tenderness how a doctor is in many ways a guide and not just a book you know that filled with answers which I think is a much more comfortable way for him to be medicine and the the stuff with Howard who

Craig by the way who played Howard amazing actor love him showed up at a tan and carried it all the way

through you know to sound check for an app he's a little too large for ultrasound so it's our CT can only handle 450 pounds until if he's over that we send him to the zoo he's right there

“I think he is faulting Howard for what's happened to him and when Howard tells him what's going on”

with his life it's sort of this moment of oh shit I think I messed up and the shift becomes a series of oh shits for ogleby and well I mean we'll have to see where it goes but yeah it's something cracks you know each time it happens oh that was a philosophical take on that but I got to ask one one quick question Irene what was it like working with that patient and the tongue and and retracting it I have to say like I do feel no I'm not henshings myself the the really cycle part of me is like I really feel

like if someone got a cut a huge cut around me I would be able to sew them up really well you could I really really feel that way I really and I kind of training you all that so I can prove myself but I also like don't want to happen because in case I failed and it's really embarrassing yeah but I actually didn't really do feel that way like I was like that's not funny that's me at thinking that because I play a doctor that I can all decide to be one and that is not true

hundred percent not true listen we're here for it this is this is called method acting now turns into real life I'm here for it I've one last question this is this is out of sheer curiosity huge shell you both landed on what has the reception been like from your friends and family what has that been like I come from a family that is not familiar with the industry at all and and when I got the show there was some article that was floating around out there where

“a George Clooney had said yeah like I think the pit is a great show and I think my dad texted me”

and he says George Clooney knows about the pints so said to them the fact that I'm on a show that George Clooney's heard of was like a big deal like that's all I mean this is really I mean this is real show the reception's been insane it's been really humbling and and gratifying and surreal and my parents are really big on Facebook and they love talking to the pit fan page people on Facebook I don't want that particular

he's just like messaging them sometimes calling to never heard that's amazing it's really

so that you're hit his son is on it yeah he comments like that's my son and it gets like 45 likes and he's like look what happened to them I am so going and joining this community on Facebook you'll see him you'll interact with my father there but it's been great you know everybody in their mother it feels like has has reached out and voiced that they're really proud most moving to me I was as sick a lot as a kid I had a condition I was a frequent

flyer in and out of the hospital so the doctors who to care of me and I've been there you know their lifelong patient for them to reach out and be like hey I see you and I'm proud of you that means the world and it's also so much pressure and I just really hope I'm doing them justice with this awful man not awful he's a lot to learn I read and Lucas thank you

by all the comments all the praise and I cannot echo my sentiments enough as a physician and a fan for everything you add to it so thank you both thank you for your wonderful portrayals but for also just being kick-ass humans and actors thank you so much for having us there's one person who was

like kind of shaken up the pit more than anyone else for me this season and it's joy the first

couple episodes I was like I don't really know what's going on I'm not really like she's just kind of there and Ogleby is like taking up so much oxygen in the room but I'm like a joy defender now and Lucas is nothing like Ogleby I know they're actors but it's just it's still like it's you know when we talk to him at the premiere and he is nothing like Ogleby just kind of speaks to the skills they both have and it's funny how they both thought that they didn't do well in their

“auditions well clearly they both did yeah but also I can't imagine honestly drawing the”

joining this show as a new actor but they cast this big with so much acclaim obviously but also like working with people who've been working together for a year already I mean I I say kudos to them you know a recurring theme that I keep getting fascinated by is how much theater influenced the show how it's filmed the blocking the movement and in some of the casting we've heard this not multiple times from people who talk about you know wanting actors about theater experience

and I'm glad that join Lucas kind of brought that up and in fact that Lucas stays in character as Ogleby regardless of what happens because you know if you go see a play something happens like the show was continue and speaking of theater another big component when you go see a play is the costumes

at first glance somebody might say hey on the pit they're just dressed like normal individuals

and they're just wearing scrubs but they're so much more to it so I'm glad that we get to talk to the costume designer Lynn Paolo about everything that goes into the fit and the look of everyone on the pit the fit of the pit the fits of the pit I like the fits of the pit so Lynn you wrote on instagram something that I have so many questions about you said every costume in the pit is created in detail to create the characters unspoken story before the actor even others their first word so some those

details matter even though everyone most people are all in hospital scrubs but can you give us an example of how you thought about the details for any one of these really unique characters.

“I feel like having done a hospital show before it was important to me that that was a true statement”

and that we delve deep into each character and before before I even met any of the actors Scott Gamble and John Wells and Noah and I had long conversations about who each person was

before they you know before I met the actors and so for instance the doctor Robbie he never

was a full set of scrubs he's always in some version of his kind of uniform which is maybe a pair of car heart pants along sleeve T-shirt maybe a patagonia jacket he's just never head to toe in scrubs and neither is Sean Hattis he's character so because they're the old guard of the hospital you know of the emergency department so they don't have to stick to the rules as much as maybe our young students who are just starting out who were head to toe in scrubs however

with each of them every single one of them is in a different version of the scrub there'll be a difference in the neck there'll be a different pant there'll be a subtle difference of what they're wearing underneath and every single person on the show has their own shoe brand which we change up every year but you know these actors were the same shoes for seven months and we buy 10 to 12 pairs of those shoes for each person so we make sure that they're feeders you know not suffering too

much and their shoes over the time wow how do you decide who gets what shoe brand it's first come

“first served and we we pull to character thinking okay I think this person is a Nike person”

and we'll have when an actor comes in we'll have 20 or 30 pairs of shoes in the room and then once that brand is gone it's gone we really do try to make sure that each person is distinct is distinctly different from anyone else and I will say that on the reddit feeds and the fan databases people notice those tiny little it's sympathy things you know they notice that the earrings this year some of our characters have fourth of July earrings some dome

our fourth of July pins all the tiny little touches that we give to tell the story of where we are in the year they love and I get tons of comments on Instagram and little DMs on Instagram from people it's it's sort of fun yes I love javades for the July little earrings stack it was so cute yeah

who their characters are after two seasons they have a lot of input which I appreciate you know we

“talk it back and forth for instance this year with Katherine she had called me and I'd said you know”

it's the fourth of July we're going to have a bunch of fourth of July paraphernalia and everyone's fittings and you know we're going to figure out what everyone's going to have and she said I'd love something vintage and I said well great you know we have tons of vintage options and we found that little liberty bell pin for her for this season and of course there's only one of it so we ended up having to send it to an artist friend of mine and they they made five more of the vintage pin

we forget it could have been her grandmother's pin or a granddad's pin you know it was a family heirloom that had been passed down the details they definitely mattered at complexity and and speaking of details like show a set in Pittsburgh and you know the beginning of the season we see Patrick Ball is he laying down wearing a Pittsburgh penguins hat but in in season one no while he's wearing that beers of theburg sweatshirt which I'm this is such a cool not I'm just curious

how you pick which local businesses are which local event to highlight in the costume well we did we do a lot of research every season and last year we read a lot about the beers of theburg and we thought it was a fun idea to add that element to somebody's costume we didn't know who the beginning and there was a lot of debate about should a doctor

“wear you know something that is about to be a festival and I was like I think doctors drink beer”

too we do I know so Noah came in for his fitting and we just had the navy blue hoodie we had tons of hoodies for him but we ended up on that color and I said to him in the fitting I think we're going to put this logo on here I think we're going to add it for your character how do you feel about that it was I love it so that didn't actually come from the brand we created it and it's funny because now they sell it so it's sort of become a thing for them and they gave us permission to

use their logo which is you know they deserve to sell as many as they would like I think they've been such a great brand for us and so much fun I want to talk about obviously this show takes piece over a day does the stakes of choosing a costume for a character feel heightened because you're kind of sending someone to live in this outfit for about seven months yeah for me it does feel heightened and I was talking to Noah and he had given an interview about it saying for him

he decided to make it easier for him in the fitting room with me he wasn't going to obsess about the

“costume too much I think he felt in safe hands we've worked together before but then other”

members of the cast come in and they're very sort of it takes a minute for them to really think it

through as it should they're going to wear it all year and I always say now I want you to be certain

before you leave the room are we are you happy is this something you can you know seeing your fit in your room every morning for seven months and they you know we go back and forth back and forth and then and I have to say every single one of them they're just amazing as a cast they're stunning they're so talented and not one of them ever goes back and says I wish I hadn't done that and I hope that's because we we make them feel comfortable and we make them feel heard in the

fitting room you know if they say oh I really dislike that I go absolutely then it's gone you know that's not going to happen I have to ask about blood on the clothes I'm I'm so curious about how you make that blood you paint it on you splatter it on does it affect the type of

costume that person's wearing just just spill it to me yeah literally spill it we have this amazing

age at Ironar team Gina and her detail work I'll talk to her and say okay this is happening I don't know like bullet wound life chat you know we go through the whole thing with deep descriptions from the doctors of hemage blood that would be research on blood splatter I feel like I'm working on dexter you know blood hemage blood is there where would the blood go and then she either hand paints depending on the fabric because the fabric really

sort of teaches you what the blood should do because fabrics react differently she'll create a stencil then she'll paint over the stencil so that each garment because she has to make 15 or 16 of something she can't hand paint that the stencil work is she lays it on each garment and each garment matches exactly to the stencil so it's a it's a it's a quite a

it's a process to make sure it's always the same every single time the camera comes across

because every time the cut that shirt off the next shirt has to look exactly like the last shirt

about outfitting the patients yeah you know our doctors are amazing so especially when we look

into the chairs area in the show you know when you walk when Robbie walks in in the morning and the chairs area is full you know that the ER's packed the emergency department is packed our amazing doctors on the show which we did on another show I worked on they give me a list

“17 year old drunk at a bar and a fall and I think they give me a giant list of like 200”

people and their ailments and what happened to them and where they were and you know who they are and then we in the costume department interpret that in our own way and we create those looks and I will say shana who's here today who I mentioned previously she is my guru for the for the chairs department what we do those big giant scenes and she and her team I'll give them a rough fight like this and I look at the clothes and you know before we do the fittings and I go yes

to this note of that and they do the hard work down in the cages fitting them and then I look at all the pictures and say yes no yes no change this it's basically sort of two departments like I'm upstairs in fittings with principles and days players and my team is downstairs doing the

“two to 300 extras you know and who change constantly through the year which is a really big job”

it's amazing because you're so right and it's not something that people may notice but it works which speaks to your brilliance I guess my last question is how many pairs of scrubs do you now own Lynn? I don't know any but one of our those has an awful lot and thousands let's say we have thousands because even if you only meet one person let's say

we meet one nurse from the OB department I always like to be ready for the fact that next season

we might go to the OB department and I've already established what that looks like so we end up buying the whole department even though we only see one person because these fans are fans who we love they watch this show they are they have eagle eyes and I am telling you if the nurse from OB this season is in I don't know orange I'm making it up and the next season we go to OB and that everyone's not in orange I'm gonna get a letter so we're just very conscious of being certain

“that our amazing viewers you know feel like they and I think that adds to the reality you know”

the reality and the continuity and each department has its own color and everybody knows who everyone is and the audience knows and I think that immerses the audience in the show and they feel like they're really in it and I think it's those details and staying true to what a hospital would really be like is what people love so I'd like to you know take care to ensure that we continue to do the hard work to to make this show look real. Do you feel like a special little bit of

satisfaction when you when fans notice the like the care that you put into creating all of these costumes or like eagle-eyed fans notice this bracelet or those earrings or something like that. You know we love it in the costume department we absolutely love it because you feel a little like an unsung hero sometimes on these kinds of shows a lot of the a lot of the time I feel like people say well they're just in scrubs but the fans notice that they're not just in scrubs that

these these tiny details that tell you who the person is and they notice that and that's kind of

amazing and we are thrilled when that happens awesome well thank you so much for being with us like

wonderful work and congratulations on the show. Oh thank you for making time for us and for coming to our department and look at everything we're so grateful thank you. And you're the reason why all the all the eagle eyes everyone unread it loves the costume design on the pitch just saying yes they do that's so grateful for that thank you. That was so interesting. In my mind I was like I thought maybe I had a little bit of an idea but the level of detail is so rad and you know the fact that

they made that beers and bird sure or so I'm sure and now like they actually sell it they could so cool. No that's incredible but I will say the blood details I was not expecting because in my head it's like oh it's just you just kind of splattered on but the continuity between scenes between episodes of certain articles of clothing and how much blood they have or don't have on them was really fascinating and honestly very expert. Didn't even think about that. I literally I'm with

and it's interesting when she mentioned the old guard not wearing traditional scraps because that's so true the old guard of dudes in the hospital like oftentimes are wearing like hiking boots or cargo pants or random things so they just don't care and they just want to be comfortable and

functional. Yeah no I I never said in season one that Dr. Robbie isn't wearing sneakers that he's

wearing hiking boots and and this season it the trend continues. And she caught it all she got every single detail also why am I not surprised that there is a huge community online that spots all these details like that is that is the fun of doing this podcast interacting with the audience because

“they just they spot things I didn't even think about. Totally and I think when you're seeing an”

actor in the costume the exact same costume in every single episode you do get to notice like this little bracelet or those earrings or like this shirt that's on throwing under their scrubs and and that is kind of all you can all you can use to kind of see what is sort of like like outside

of the pit and outside of the emergency department. I wonder how much because this show is having such

a cultural moment I wonder how much the show is going to influence hospital fashion. I'm super curious. Well you you tell me you I want you're pouring on the front lines. All right so I'm going to work cargo pants and a brown hoodie and hiking boots to the hospital. I will wear a helmet on my motorcycle though. And thank God. Let's read some comments. I'm actually excited about this. Oh God. If we talk positive and there's no haters but let's let's dive into this. Okay here's one.

I really like the story with the new hire RN. I really feel for her. I've once exploded a lab file I overfilled it because I got such a good draw and didn't want to waste it. The top popped

right off in front of the patient and her family. I felt that in my bones related ability to

nurse M. I like it. Oh okay I've went about Dr. Jay. It's not a surprise that Dr. Jay is an influencer because last season she was questioning the influencer patient who she follows with great interest. It seemed like that was leading her to become an influencer herself. That is I like that. I like that like a suit watching. That's a suit watching and like this next comment.

“Post some Dr. Jay shorts. Like I guess you have to find her TikTok and see what's up.”

There should really be a Dr. Jay TikTok. The probably I would love. I would probably see her in her in wheelchair. Okay I have a question for you. Fans have been calling out rules and jobs in the hospital that we haven't seen yet. So let's throw the pot. Who are we missing and what unseen rules do you think deserve their moment? Whoa. I'm gonna say farm assists. Okay need to roll in. Have a moment. Say the day with like a dosing or something. Also give me some custodial staff.

Like their flip and patient rooms and everything like that somebody is making sure that these rooms are cleaned. They play a huge role in the hospital. I want to see custodial staff, janitors, environmental services. Whatever you call them, I need them. I need them involved.

“Peace out. That's it for today's episode of the pit podcast. We'll be here every Thursday”

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