‘The Pitt’ Season 2, Episode 10: Seventh Circle of Hell

- Hello, welcome back to the press of YouTube.

“You need to be podcasting, I'm Jordan Robinson.”

- I'm Rob Mahoney. - We're in another new studio. - You had another. - Yeah, another. There's a mysterious bowl of green balls behind us

that I'm really excited about her hair. - What if we replaced it with the CPR dummy with the tinsel strewn around its neck?

- Ooh, it's always worth the July hair.

- So I'm saying. - Not the press of YouTube, you need podcasts, listen. More importantly, it's episode 10 is 4pm. This episode contains what I think is the most horrifying thing we've ever witnessed

on the pit. - Oh boy. - It's not a finger-degloving. - No, that is quite bad, though. - It's on a slash trick on a child.

- Also not fun to watch. - It's the very concept of doctors, Garcia, and Santos, eating ramen in bed. Rob Mahoney, ramen is like splashy at the best of times. - Well, in bed, you slurped noodles and, I mean,

whatever, crazy, but like, - They are slurped, there's really no doubt about it. - But like, listen, do you want splashes of broth all over your bed? - Wouldn't be me.

- No.

“- I think, look, heavily implied, obviously.”

This is like cup-o noodles, microwave ramen, right? - I guess.

- This is instant ramen, not a bowl.

You have like the convenient cup to contain the smell. - I don't know that like Dr. Garcia is settling for cup-o noodles. I feel like they're door-dashing some nice ramen. - I feel like the timing of that is very precarious,

you know? They want instant results, right? These are people who are not to be kept waiting. - Sure. - So, busy jobs, they're trying to pack in as much

socialized as they can. - This is like a post-coital sodium reload situation. If you're not over-dosing with MSG in that moment, what are you doing? - I had a really tough time with the idea

of splashy bowls of ramen in bed. I didn't like it. Or how do you feel like, what is the most offensive food that someone could tell you that they like to eat in bed? - This is a great question.

For one, I am a no-food and bed person. - Correct. - Exception hotels. - Okay. - You have a limited space.

I don't always want to go sit across the room

with the table where I can't see the TV. - Sure, so hotel is like a different world than many respects. But basically, any food in bed is kind of a no-go as far as I'm concerned, the most offenses. - Something very crumbly.

- I mean crumbly, but it's crumbly worse than like to your point, greasy and splashy, potentially staining. - Okay. Dr. [email protected], the folks want to nominate with the worst food eaten bed is.

- I need to hear it. - Yeah, yeah. - I also thought, you know, when you're talking about the worst visual from this episode, it might be looking across the room

and seeing someone holding a piece of your leg. But I guess ramen is worse. - Oh, it's my worst. What are you talking about? Ramen in bed, oh my gosh.

- Dr. [email protected] is our email and I'm very proud of it. But I have a question for you. If we were to create the email now. - Yes.

- Would you consider Whittaker's very own two little pumpers at Dmail.com? - Two little pumpers is very good. - Yeah. - I feel like that one might be taken again

for reasons I don't even want to get to the bottom of it. - That's not where everybody. - So Dr. Sybangs, you know, if it's our vibe, it's chased and appropriate for a workplace pit environment. - My sister, my nephew, are in town

and they took the water brothers tour on Monday and I guess they're filming the pit finale or something, I don't know, but Dr. McCay, Dr. Sybangs herself drove by in a golf cart and weaved at them.

- How are the banks looking? - They said, "Dr. McCay, weaved at us," I said, "Dr. Sybangs herself and they looked at me blankly." So they don't listen to this podcast.

Nor do they really watch the pit. - Okay. - I don't just think with the airflow of a golf cart and the big wister around, can you imagine the flow? - Winds are worst enemy, okay.

In addition to emailing us, how can folks get more press DCV content from us? - If you really need more. - Yeah, do you need more? - You can find us on social media

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- You can also do that. - In call us 909-313-4046. That's 909-313-4046. - And we will write those prescriptions to ourselves for insurance fraud reasons,

but then give them to you to help you out. - Javadi, what a stickler. All right, Ramone, did you like this episode of television? - I did. Yeah, I mean, how could you not?

- Fine. - Yet again, all of the pit marks. I don't know if it's just that we're watching this right now and I'm also watching Love Story right now, but moms, I mean, they're really doing an umbrella,

aren't they? - They really are. - Oh wow, you're in your Jackie O era. - I mean, that show is, cannot get out of its Jackie O era. No matter what happens to Jackie O, frankly.

- Rob is catching up on Love Story because we're hoping to cover it on this feed.

once Rob catches up, I'm excited.

- That's a guarantee. - We will be back. - But also, I would say my main takeaway from this episode. So I'm sure some of you guys are familiarly. I am ready to fight Dr. Robbie.

- This is Dr. Robbie's, okay, last week I said it was really good up so for Dr. Robbie. This is the angriest I've ever been at. - Yeah.

“- Just because I think Dr. Melking is had”

like kind of a tough season with it just sort of like my deposition, my deposition, I'm glad that it's done. She's moving into this storyline with her sister, but Mel has previously been my favorite, but I think Samira has really been my favorite this season.

Then my weird emotional attachment to Dr. Langd on the side. Let's just move that to the side. Samira is my favorite. For Robbie, I have a whole lot of thoughts on this, but for Robbie, who himself had a panic attack

in the ER last season. - Last season. - Seared 10 months ago. - And required a pep talk. - From Whitaker.

- Just to get up off the ground. - Yeah, he could have just sat with her and quietly talked to her about faith or whatever, but instead he jeered at her. - Yes, I was so angry.

- We have a lot of time for Robbie. Defend him a lot on this part. We think his praises on this part. There's a lot to like about this man, this character. And I think in his heart,

seems like a good guy. Also, fuck you, man. - Yeah, absolutely fuck you. - Just complete fuck you. - And he apologizes, but not very well.

“- Apologizes, but also like, quit, quit feeling sorry for yourself.”

- Apology? Not accepted, Dr. Robbie. - Come on. - Let me hit some emails really quickly before we get into the meet, the meet of this episode.

- Okay. - If we must. - Okay, furry diagnostics. I did ask our listeners to let us know

what they thought our first owners would be.

- Do you regret that decision? - Actually, all of mine were quite pumped. (laughing) - Well, thank you. - So I'm not upset about it.

Did you see anything that struck your fancy of the way in which our listeners diagnosed us? - I did appreciate I was diagnosed multiple times as a potential otter. - I'm open to it.

- I thought, I also saw llama for you, which I play like. - I would dig a llama. - Yeah, I got a lot of fox myself. - Yes. - And Red Panda came up a lot for me as well,

which I don't, I mean, I love Red Panda. - Incredible, Annable. - Absolutely. Kathleen said, "Do I not Red Panda, Rob Lama?" Both animals are wonderful, funny,

and worthy of appreciation. Plus, drugs based on llama antibodies are being tested medicine. - Wow. - Long-necked and useful, Rob Lama, honey.

- People do say that. What are llama antibodies being tested for? Like, what is there a practical application? - Dr. Sybygson, do you have a lot of time if you know what llamas are being used?

- I just hope it's not an avatar-esque whale-brain serum, like a rectal dysfunction drug, or whatever the fuck that was being used for. - Is that what the-- - I don't know, I don't.

(laughing) - I'm sorry, thank you so much. - You can't miss remembering avatar, but that's-- - You could have paid me to pay attention

to what they were mining those whales for. Okay, we had an email from a listener whose name is also Joanna, but it's not me. I did not write this email. And this is about Ogil V, I want to--

And this is a great episode to talk about. - Absolutely. - Ogil V, but something you and I had talked about off-pod, but not really brought on to the mic, was this question of, is Ogil V being presented to us

as another, like, along with Becca and Mel, like another example of neurodivergence and showed you be looking at him through that lead. And so we got this email from our listener Joanna, who said that she's a mom of low support needs,

a dog autistic daughter.

“And I've been wanting to email you as I think you might need”

to consider slash reframe the idea that Ogil V is on the autistic spectrum, just as Mel appears to be. Not that it permits his seemingly insensitive and often times. Ruby Havier, but it seems to explain his manner

super smart, potentially not corrected for his behavior as a younger person. So he continues to voice these insensitive comments. And she also goes on to talk about the way in which men who are neurodivergence and women who are neurodivergence

are to present differently and are socially like, sort of, trained to present differently as of like that. Which I thought was a really interesting email. - Definitely. - Something you and I had talked about off-pod,

but something I was sort of waiting for the actor, himself to say, "Hey, this is how I'm playing this character." And then there is this interview that he did on the official pit podcast from February 27th, where he--

- This is Lucas Iverson, you're talking to? - This is Lucas Iverson, who plays Ogil V, thank you. He's talking about how he approaches the character. And he says John, John Wells, quote John Wells comes in and he's like, "Yeah, Lucas, you're looking too sympathetic.

You really don't give a shit, you don't give a shit." And I was just like, "Really?" Okay, I'll look meaner. But then a little break that we had when we were setting up another shot, I mustered my courage

because I was so afraid to talk to him. And I went up and I was like, "John, hey, I'm making too much of an asshole." And John was like, "You're not being nearly enough of an asshole." Your job is to be the biggest fucking asshole.

And he gave me this whole break down about what a gunner is and what this gunner really is. And then Dr. Lizzy, who also was there,

who's one of our incredible doctors that we have on set,

real life emergency physician. She contributed with these stories about what gunners are and what they've been. And we probably spent eight or nine minutes and I was just like soaking up like a sponge.

And we ended up going back and shooting a scene again

That sort of became my, began my hate relationship with O.B.

I really hate that guy for a really long time. He is somebody who I think represents a kind of ideology that is kind of prominent in today's world,

“which is, I believe you could summarize him by saying,”

he believes that people are largely directly responsible for the state of their lives. He's so certain of it, even though it's really flimsy. And over the course of the shift, it chips away. And he slowly learns that that world view

is not exactly compatible with reality. So, I don't think he's been given the note to play O.B. anywhere on the spectrum. - Perhaps not. - And-- - Or maybe isn't talking about it yet.

- Maybe not talking about it yet. I've seen this comment a lot. Like you and I were talking about it off pod. This listener wrote in about it. I've seen people sort of all over like Reddit

and various comments saying like, hey, is O.B. we like a neurodivergent character. And I'll be curious to see if he ever says

that that's how he's playing it.

But there is this-- I have also seen comments from people saying who have worked in hospitals who are like, actually, O.B. is the only accurate men's student. Everyone is so nice and kind in the pit.

And he's an accurate representative of like what a lot of men's students are like. - The realistic, the pit is just like eight O.B. - Yeah. - Poor fun. So, I'll be curious to track it.

But I just, I thought that was worth raising because I've seen it a lot. And I like, I hesitate to sort of diagnose someone who is not-- - Of course. - No, I've been diagnosed inside of the world

of the pit. So, any other thought you have on that? - I think where I am with O.B. is like, why are these things mutually exclusive? Can't he be per email or Joanne as description?

The kind of gunner who's been encouraged to be a know-it-all his whole life who also might display some aspects of neurodivergence. And the way those things are kind of colliding, whether it's intentional in the performance or not,

I do think is there in the writing of the character. And I think wherever all the other characters in the pit are having a hard time with O.B. the other doctors who are working alongside him is in trying to sand down these kind of sharper edges

in terms of his compartment with patience. And that's one of those areas where it really doesn't matter what the cause is, right? Whether you are a purposeful asshole or merely careless and oblivious

or not picking up on the appropriate cues. Like, these are people coming into the ED in a very vulnerable place.

“And like, you have to receive them in that spirit”

no matter what's going on in your brain and that's what's going on in your body. And everyone in the pit is dealing with something different and O.B. may be in that mix or he may be dealing with something we haven't quite seen before

but he's got a sort of shit out. - I regret to inform you, Rob. - Yeah. - That I'm a little up on O.B. in this episode and we can talk about it over together.

- I don't think he's been more relatable than being handed a disembodied leg and the look of just like Jesus Christ can this day please stop. - We got several emails from listeners

who wanted to let me know that there was a barrier connection to the water slide, accident. There was an incident, water works in Concord, California where a bunch of, I think it was like teenagers in the '90s all tried to pile on to a water slide

to see if they could like go down together whatever it had to collapse. So something like that. And then we got to, we had a name out from the listener for Minneapolis about this sort of potential ice storyline

if it has not deployed yet. And Stacy said, as a Minneapolis resident, we have seen well documented local news reports regarding the presence of ice entering restricted areas of hospitals and detaining patients

without proper judicial warrants. I could see this being part of the quote, "I storyline on the pit." So it's possible that we haven't even seen what they have in mind for something like this.

- I could see that being possible. Also the pit is filmed in a way where it could be somewhat responsive in real time if they chose to at least-- - There's still filming right now.

- Right, one of our later episodes sees and potentially, also could be a season three thing. I guess we'll find out. - Okay, this is something we had touched on last week, but a lot of our listeners were like,

"Hey, I wish you had spent more time on this." Which is, and again, we're about to talk about how angry we are, Dr. Robby, but Dr. Robby's suicide watch, which is something that we saw pop up a bit in last week's episode, the way that he was talking

to Whittaker about, "Hey, take over my place." The way that he was talking to Abbott and that scene that we really liked between Robby and Abbott were Abbott's like, "Hey, man, if it gets dark, you call me." - Did not agree to call him.

Just kind of smiled creepily and walked off. - Here's my question. After this 10 o'clock hour, we're both like, Dr. Robby and Dana are like, "Hey, man, what's your damage?" - Yeah.

- It's four o'clock in the afternoon, or now it's five o'clock in the afternoon. What might happen in the next five episodes? Other than him deciding, no one can take care of the ED except as well as he can.

- That's a healthy impulse. - Not a great license, like to pull him back from any kind of brink, like what, you know, is this something that you think would be resolved at the end of the season?

“Or is this just gonna be an ongoing Dr. Robby thing?”

Because in season one, he ends up the season on top of the roof,

you know, the doctor Abbott basically talks him down from.

So is this just gonna be, like, Dr. Robby's ongoing state? But I guess, I guess my main question and perhaps inspired by the fact that Duke has entered the building.

- Is Robby going on this motorcycle trip?

- It's a great question. I can see from a TV perspective, it would be very tempting to have the dangling, like Robby is off into the wind who knows what is going to happen at the end of the season.

And it leaves you a lot of flexibility in terms of how you set up season three to not be quite so sure what state he's going to come back in. I kind of think he's just not gonna go. - Yeah.

- And frankly, Duke, in addition to everyone else, raising the idea of like, hey, man, driving 12 hour work, driving all night after a 12 hour shift is a distinctly horrible idea that no one, including I would ever do.

- Yeah.

“- And I think enough people are gonna raise it,”

we're just gonna make them so conspicuous. How could he possibly do it? Not that he will check himself, but there has to be some kind of restraint here from some body.

- Okay, I'll be very curious.

I mean, it would be interesting,

let's see, like a season of the pit without, not like Dr. Robby on his trip. - Yes. - No whileing, not the lead actor on the pit in season three, but maybe like doing much more behind the scenes work.

- Yeah. - 'Cause I'm gonna think that taking a break from being like the guy all the time on a show that's kind of relentless. And then, well, I don't know.

- Dr. Abbott is leading the shifts. - Right there. And Abbott, I'll assume you like duo, lead in the ED. I could see it also, this is an extra textual thing. And so if you don't like that stuff,

like jump ahead 15 seconds, I feel like leading into this season, during some of the press touring coverage with the cast. No whiley had some weirdly cryptic comments,

but I'm gonna miss this. I'm like, some things that look, if you took them in just the right way, could imply that maybe that character will not be back in the near future?

- I just don't know what this show is without him.

First, much as we love Abbott,

I think there is like a little bit of a, there's like a backup quarterback thing happening there, where he comes in, he gets to be awesome and limited deployment. But like, this is a Dr. Robby show.

- I agree. Like, I don't really want a third season without him, but I was curious if the pit would want to take that swing or if no whiley might want to take a nap. I don't know.

- I would love that for him. - Yeah. - I also think there's a question of not only could this show exist in a season three without Robby as a full-time character,

but can it exist in any continuing form without Robby as a damaged character? - Right, like a mentally healthy version of Dr. Robby. Who is that guy and what do we want it? - I do we want it.

I honestly don't know. - I was wondering if at the end of the season, if he, instead of getting on the motorcycle, like walks into the therapist office,

“like that's how Dr. Robby ends his season.”

Maybe, I also had another idea for the finale. - Yes. - What if, like, so what time we're gonna finish this shift nine o'clock, right? - I believe so.

- Cassie has a museum date, so hopefully she makes that. But like, what if some of the characters are watching the fireworks together, like on the roof of the, of the pit or something like that? - That would be very sweet.

It would be a nice way to reclaim the roof as for something other than potential suicide. - It would be nice. Okay, let's talk a little bit more about this tough episode for one, Dr. Michael Rubinovich.

So, we also got some listener feedback about the Whittaker Robby interaction last week. You had underline this idea that Robby was crossing some boundaries when it came to like his opinions on the phone.

- That's what felt to me. - Whittaker's life, but our listeners had like an even stronger reaction that where they were just like, this is weird and out of control. And especially ironic for Robby to be talking about,

hey, create some boundaries. And inside this episode, we get Dana talking to Langdon about boundaries, we get McCay talking to Javadi about boundaries, these sort of like emotional walls

“that you have to put up in order to be great at your job.”

And perhaps this is part of why Robby struggles so much is that he doesn't have these solid boundaries, these solid walls. - So, do you tell me as weakness is that he cares too much? - Listen, I put it on every single job application.

But I'm just curious, is there anything else you want to say about that particular Whittaker Robby reaction last week or anything about this episode? - I think there is a version of the Whittaker Robby relationship where that kind of advice would feel

a little more well-founded, but given who they are to each other, even though they have this like workplace bond, it just felt like a such a clear overstep and direct the context of it of like, of all people. Dr. Robby's just not in a position to give this advice.

So, this is kind of an awkward position for him across the ED right now of he is blowing up at people left and right. He is in such an unhealthy place himself, that it's like, yeah, you can swoop into an ER and tell them exactly what they need to do

from a medicinal standpoint to treat a patient. - Outside of that, my guy, I don't know that you need to be telling anyone else how to live their life. - And who is he deciding to intervene for

and who is he deciding not to intervene for? Like, Dan is like, "Hey, man, maybe you should talk to Javadi and her mom." - And Dr. Shamsi, yeah. - About how they feel, how appropriate is this dressing down.

We did get a lot of listener feedback about that Javadi case last week where a lot of our listeners and I saw this sort of around where people were saying, Victoria still is student doctor. And Whittaker was the supervising doctor on that case.

So if anyone should get most of the shit about what happened there, it should be Whittaker.

but it's not all on her she's a student and she's still learning. And I thought that was really interesting, especially since we doubled down on someone just like smacking over the nose

with a rolled up newspaper about what happened last week. So I thought that was really interesting to think about. I hadn't really, it's so easy to think of Victoria as a doctor when, you know, she's Dr. J, but she's not Dr. Javadi itself.

- She's so capable. I do think there's an interesting conversation to be had too Joe about, this is one of the areas where the pit may be oversets relative to the medical reality where we've had a lot of emailers

tell us that student doctors are just never burdened

with this much responsibility, right? They're never making this many active decisions in care as we see on the pit. And so when the characters are doing things that real life student doctors do not

“should they be held accountable in a different way?”

Or is it just like, should we treat them as we do real life student doctors? Where is you say it's really a supervisor issued? I don't say it's not just Whitaker, but Robby would be held accountable too,

or in Dr. Allashimi is as kind of an acting attending. - First of all, we have to give Joey her flowers for her hero maneuver inside of this episode. - Give the chair. - Get in the chair, love joy.

- Sorry, get in the fucking chair. - In the like swampy ass chairs, scenario, when like, everyone, they look like plague victims, like they have a lot for seeing, like reaching out to touch Samira.

Okay, also want to shout out the princess and Dana,

like, irals, they're like, "Oh brother, that princess gives to joy when Samira snaps at her." Not a great look for Samira, because princess is also a favorite of ours, right?

So she snaps at princess. But then Dana giving a similar one when Robby explodes and she's like, "Jewon Christ, what's going on here?"

“I mean, I thought that this performance was really good”

from Supria and I thought that before she goes down, I thought it was interesting. Not from like a doctor Abbott Samira like shipping perspective, but just sort of like that she was looking for a doctor Abbott to write a letter of wreck and not Robby.

Before this happened. So like, we saw the way that Robby treated her last season, but we were sort of thinking of the season, like maybe he had just sort of started to respect her more and you know, but like this reinforces some of that

sticky season one stuff that we didn't really like for sure. - Yeah. - It's hard to fault her given the way this episode goes and the way he responds to her and it's not just us feeling this way and it's not just Mohan feeling this way.

Everyone else in the room, including Dr. Alashimi, who really brings it to Robby in a sense of, and we talked about this earlier in the season of like, what does Dr. Alashimi need to do to win over viewers? - And over viewers.

- And she did two things in this episode. One, she cowboyed up. - Slash Drake, baby. - Slash a child's Drake to potentially save his life and defend characters that we care about

and really stand up for them.

“I think the way she stands up for Mohan in this episode”

is such an important affirmation of one, this is like not cool or okay and like not everyone is just gonna turn a blind eye on what Robby is doing, but also like bring us as viewers into the same space as so many of the characters.

That's like, it's turned into the kind of workplace environment where Robby is in a corner, doing his stuff and everyone else including us is being like, what is this guy's deal, why are you behaving this way? - I thought it was really interesting because at the beginning

of the season, even I both were like, Dr. Alashimi is presenting as someone who is like very dry by the bull, you know, Dr. AI, all this sort of stuff, like that, whereas her empathy in here, she is lecturing Robby on his lack of empathy

and Robby has a real dickish response to, you know, she comes in kind of hot, but like he deserves that, and then he's like, - He came in way too hot. - Yeah, exactly. I thought that was a really interesting dynamic.

I also think setting up Samira before she has the episodes, you say not only is she like talking about getting Abbott for her recommendation, but we see the inverse of what we've seen for her in previous episodes, where previously she had time for an older patient

who was expressing anxiety to sit with them and talk to them about the, you know, the lawn bowling they're doing and kind of like walk through to the point that Alashimi was kind of recommending her

for that track in the first place,

based on her treatment of those patients. And right before her panic attack, she's like hand waving away patients left and right, who were just like having very reasonable concerns about not being seen in a timely manner

'cause nobody is. - She's like, I'm not your doctor. - And they're not grabbing her aggressively in the way we've seen patients do in previous seasons with other doctors, like they're just wondering,

like, when am I gonna get in a room? Are you my mom's doctor? - She's like, she's like, go back to your room. This woman was like, I'm not in a room. I'm in the hallway.

- Not my problem. - Is the real villain of this episode? Her mother, who calls not just the D repeatedly but on the emergency, like, red line. - We're like once twice, three times a trend with her mom

where like, something serious has to be happening with her mom at this point, right? I think it is well-intentioned overbearing mom crying wolf all throughout the season so far. And then now like her mom actually had a heart attack

or something, or for something happened with her boyfriend, husband, like a camera with her relationship is, this one feels based on the recurrence

and the way it's being raised.

“And I think most importantly, the easy way”

with which Samira is dismissing it, I feel like-- - I feel like she's about to get hoisted by her own petard on that one, unfortunately. - It's a mirror of rage. - It's a tough night either.

- Okay, as angry as I was at Darabby this episode, this is a real shine the halo for Frank Lang did. - True. - Could not have been better set up as he was in this episode.

First of all, imagine being Frank Langdon

and you get passed over for Ogle Veece. - The toughest possible look. - For a tetatet on the rooftop or to the helicopter. Like we understand why Robby did not want to repeat that helicopter roof, seeing with Langdon,

but picking Ogle Vee over him. - I would say picking Ogle Vee is like only one step above, like hey, English teacher with the kidney stone. Why don't you go up to the roof? And you serve Dr. Langdon in this responsibility.

- He helps Samira, does not give Samira a shit, is very loving to Samira. And then of course, the backest of like smashing of the pillows into the OJ. - He's doing.

- Asking Mel Howard deposition was must have been really stressful for you, how are you doing? Offeried to pay for Louie's funeral and data's like, "Hey man, it's okay, come down,

you don't have to do that." And then on that front too, on the Louie steps specifically,

“I think that's one area where the boundaries”

conversation that you raised earlier

about how often that's coming up feels so different, right?

Because Javadi and Roxy are not two people who have a longstanding relationship. That's just Javadi in the same way that like McKay sees a mirror of herself in Roxy. Javadi sees a mirror of herself

earlier in inverted one with her kids in like her own relationship with her mom. She's getting it all that. Linden does, if we're all being honest, oh, a lot to Louie.

Like he exploited him as a patient. Even within this season, while trying to go through his own process, co-opted Louie's like treatment time to get stuff off of his chest.

- Are you still mad about it? - I'm not thrilled about it. - Speed running this down. (laughing) - I just don't think you went about it exactly the right way,

but like it makes sense to me that that is not a normal doctor patient relationship. Like they have a longstanding bond, but in addition to that, Linden has a very particular recent history with Louie.

I get why he would want to go a different extra mile than he might for anybody else. And to me that makes it a distinct case in one that I think does, like I think Linden does deserve a lot of credit

for his wanting treatment of Louie and putting him to rest properly in this episode, but also everything he does with Santos. - Well, here's my question about that. Like so the Santos stuff.

- Yeah. - What is your assessment of how he was treating her? Like was he too much on her ass or was he genuinely trying to treat her as he would treat any other R2? I found I could not find that line. Like two Dr. Al-Hashini and certainly Dr. Garcia.

- Oh yeah. - It seems like fine and normal. - Don't you hate when your work situation shifts sides with your work nemesis? - deplorable.

- Garcia, really, oh my shit list, but like what I like about it is that I can't really take a side in that scenario because I really empathize with Trinity. I don't think there's anything Linden could have done

in terms of give her a note or give her feedback or instructor in some way that she would have taken well. You know what I mean?

“- Well, I think the only thing he could have done”

is the same thing he could have done with almost everybody he works with, which is find a way to contact that like write them a letter called them. - The more he comes back.

- Do not spring it to them on your first day back

in an emergency. - But that's also the show that we've got is 15 hours and an emergency room. - I'm like trying to hear how I'm supposed to interpret the way that he was giving her notes

'cause he was giving her a lot of notes. - A lot. - But so I was trying to use like Garcia and Lashimi is gauges of like did this seem like too many notes or not.

But I just don't think there was any way he was going to like do that the right way for Santos and I am empathetic to Santos. - Right. - In her feelings of that because when she comes to talk

to Garcia about it, you know? And she's like, I've been a pariah for the last 10 months and Garcia, again, physician healed myself to Robbie and to Garcia. For Garcia to be like, well, maybe because you don't play

well with others. I was like, from the number one with love and respect it's true in the, and I love a bit. - But like the number one in the, she's not wrong.

- She's maybe not entirely, but it's possible also that Santos has been given some kind of cool shoulder like a feedback, you know what I mean? - I think so. - All of this stuff can be true, right?

Like she, I'm sure her coworkers feel a certain way. Some of them. Like Mel would feel a certain way about maybe Mel would have wanted to give Langdon a different kind of grace given to circumstances in their relationship.

But then Santos does dig her own grave with a lot of people based on how she treats them. - But I also don't know how much everyone knows about what happened with Langdon. - I think at this point, people know.

There's a lot of stuff. - Maybe not everything, but there's at least enough whispering. - Okay. - Enough whispering and his sudden reemergence without much professional repercussion,

like writing to his old role, granted with some attribution from Robbie as far as like what he's assigned to do. - Yeah. - But you don't just walk back into a job like that off of an extended leave without people having

like some sense of maybe sort of what you went through.

- Yes.

- And certainly like Whitaker seems to know

about the drug taking key steps in on Louis bath and stuff like that, interesting. I don't know. - But he's also living with Santos, so he would know. - He would know, yeah, of the many snide remarks

that she throws back at him. One of them is about a pig tail catheter.

“The only thing I could think of that as a reference to is”

that's the procedure that Mohan and Abbott did at the end of season one that was like, Abbott Joke was like too risky for him to do, so we had Samira do it. So I don't know exactly what significance

that has for Santos and Langdon in that particular moment, but that was tough to watch. It was tough to watch 'cause I really, I kind of am on everyone side. - It's true.

- You know? - I mean, I've really bonded with Santos over these two seasons. And so this felt like, maybe kind of like a petulent moment for her, where she has been so right in the past including about some of what Langdon was doing wrong,

that here you can see her kind of wanting to be right, even if maybe she has maybe chosen. And I would love that from our listeners too, if you are someone in a medical professional, and you can parse the subtext of the treatments

that they're discussing as far as like, what is-- - Was he being nitpicked, was he being too hard on her? Yeah, I don't have enough medical knowledge to know. - Not a doctor. - My read just based on performance,

and just based on what we're seeing in that scene is she is taking out their personal stuff on the treatment of this patient by not, listening to a superior doctor in this teaching capacity. The one moment that God made was like,

and again, it's like Langdon, I feel like you're doing a lot right in this episode. I think he handles Santos's like,

million eye roles a minute and barbs and counter treatments

with a lot of grace and gives her a lot of patience here. And then the final, like, I am happy to teach Dr. Santos. It's like, that one got me a little bit, but up until that point, I have to say,

“I think he handled that about as well as you could,”

granted that he created this situation in the first place. - I remember when you back to a section of my notes that I'm calling OGOV rising, I graduate to him for you. I'm now forced to be slightly timelogable in a year's way. - Yeah.

- It's not that it's James Baldwin that he's reading. Like, welcome to the chat, Wokeal V, you know what I mean? - It does hope we'll be the character Reed James Baldwin. - No, it's a venative son. Well, it adds dimensionality to him,

but here's where the like lover of physical media and by physical media, I mean books like booksellers. - Ridget of physical media. It's a used, very well worn. - Hock it book.

- Yeah. - Like, I don't think this is like a treasured tone of his.

I think he bought it like used from a bookstore somewhere.

- Sure. - And that's just cool shit in my book because he's not reading it on Kindle. And he didn't buy like a shiny new copy. He went and bought like a used pocket book.

And I am just like, they're not even making pocket books anymore 'cause people like that small format of paperbacks 'cause people aren't reading them. So I just got like really excited when I saw it. (laughing)

- Dude, reads one book. Doesn't even read it. By is one book and you're like, sign me up. - People aren't buying books anymore of. He didn't buy it from Amazon.

He bought it from a brick and mortar, probably. - Next episode, OGOV is gonna be in the break room with a card again in a matcha and reading his book. And you're just gonna be cooked. - Okay, so we'll go V, let's talk about it.

James Baldwin's notes of it, it's done. (laughing) Oh, great book. A nonfiction book, how exciting for you are. - Truly.

- You love nonfiction. - I do love nonfiction. - I mean, it's really possible that this was just a book that was in the letting library that exists on the set of the pit, and there's like,

it wasn't like Zen in the art of motorcycle maintenance. It was notes of a native son, but like classic living out with a pit moment, I have notes of the native son here, which is like James Baldwin's series of essays where he writes about like blackness in America,

versus blackness in Paris, and critiquing a lot of other black media anyway. It is like, the most living out with the pit, like title he could have put here. Here's my question for you.

“Is there a single title that he could have produced?”

More in pocket book or no? - Yes. - That you would have been like OST mogul be now. Like is there like a-- - Oh, that's the question.

- Basketball book, they would have been like this guy knows his shit. - He doesn't know ball. He's just nagging just tell by looking at it. - All right, all right. - See, in terms of what felt realistic,

I mean, maybe this is just plenty to type, but like something dense and sci-fi, I think would have tracked more than this in terms of character. - You wouldn't have been excited about fiction,

though. - Why would you? - But that's something, I'm saying like, that's what I would have expected. - Yeah. - What would he have produced?

That would actually have been interesting. Honestly, the thing that to me would have been funniest is like a very earmarked copy of Infinite Just. That would be the funniest possible outcome. - You can't carry that out of your pocket, man.

- Look, it's heavy, it's heavy tote, but you can do it. - Did you really Michael Creighton's book Travels? I think it's called No. It's non-fiction essays and some of it has to do with him traveling, but a lot of it has to do with his experience as a med student.

So that's something that I would like expect to be a local B to be reading is Michael Creighton's Travels.

If there is like one book that someone could produce

“and you're like this person's all right, actually.”

I was wrong about them, I'm as judge them. - This struck me as the very, are you health and linear are you with LeBron James carrying around books? - Zero, tell me.

- Became a recurring meme in the NBA, LeBron would show up into the locker room with a book.

He's always reading the first page of the book.

So it's very clear, he's talking about it, he'll sing the phrase, he's a talk about this Malcolm X biography, he's very, very, very, very, very important, like conspicuously too many varies. And then the next time it's a new book,

but did he read the book, did he buy a new book? - It's always on page one, I'm just saying, this feels to me, I mean, I'm a little performative, but also I'm forced to reconcile with the other part of it, which is if we are interpreting Ogovi

as this kind of like career gunner, maybe he is the kind of person who thought like, this day's gonna be easy, and I'm gonna have so much downtime that I'm be able to get in like a breezy James Baldwin read.

- Yeah, oh, oh, knock out an essay or two. - No problem. - No problem. - Okay, that being said, the book aside, he is bonding with this patient. - Yes.

- This is the most bedside manner that we've seen from Ogovi with this patient who reminds me of his dad. - Yeah. - The daddy issues are awesome.

- What do you want to realize that? - But there's a lot happening. I will say the most predictable outcome of this entire season was that dude doing the good versus well correction, like you couldn't even place a bed

that that was gonna happen. It was off the board.

“- Did I start to say it before he started to say it?”

Who's to say it? - I don't know. - Do you do that in real life, two people? - No, I just cared in my head. - You do.

- It's internal. - If you say it, I will in my head. It depends on my note. - Yeah. - Well, you really well, I might say it.

- Let's start baiting this first.

Let's start throwing out goods. They just see how long until you break. - Park the shark. Maybe my new favorite character. - It's crazy, honestly.

- This absolute vampire, hooking vampire of a human, who just like circles the body, holds up the limb, scares the big Jesus out of everyone.

Robby's a little amused. Whitaker look like you're gonna piss himself. I loved this. - This is a huge episode for Whitaker almost being himself. And basically, every scene he's involved in,

we, yeah, great new introduction for Park the shark, like, where's this guy been? - I don't know, but I knew more of him. - Actually, I know where he's been. This is not the first time he's held a disembodied leg.

That man is definitely a serial killer. - It's great. - That's what that's been if I want. I want it. - I would be down for it.

- Like a Dexter style, like he kills bad people. - That's the real pit night shift. - In a medical way. - I don't know what in a medical way. - In a precise surgical way.

- I think there was something. - I suppose in Dexter's slap dash, probably he's a forensic guy. - He's a forensic guy. - He's a forensic guy.

There were a couple of moments in this episode that just reinforced for me. I am not about this life. - Okay. - One of them was the two little pumpers.

- Well, the two little pumpers was not ideal. But the ease with which Dr. Ella Shimmy's scalpel cut through this kid's trachea. Again, it's just like unsettles me on a visceral level. The other one was Park the shark manipulating

the foot of the disembodied leg. - I love that. - And it's a great moment. It's like he's so matter of fact out all of it as you would be if you were a surgeon who's done plenty

of these replantations was that the official term. It's just another day at the office for him, but it is horrifying for me to watch. - I loved how, I don't know who that actor is. I don't think I've seen him in anything,

but I was like perfect casting. - Truly. - That physical bodyment of sharkitude, just like really great. - What do you think the listing was for that part?

- Mm. - Scary. (laughing) - I'm very good nature. Like you can put that guy in a cloak and he's a vampire.

- No doubt. - And that's just a vampire. He's like running the dead, you know, like he's a leader of vampires. - Oh, a vampire.

- On this last straight front, okay, this is like a huge moment where Robbie does a little like showing what you got, right?

And she does it, he's never done it.

- Nope. - She's never done it. Garcia comes in and is a bitch about it. - Yes. - Again, do love bitches, but it isn't bitch about it.

And then she's, you know, Dr. Hashimi stands her crowd. - Oh, she's like, maybe he won't thank me for saving this kid's life. What did you think of that whole scenario? - The look that Robbie gives her afterwards.

“I mean, I think that was his hottest moment of the pit.”

I think that was not of him, but like he was in love. - And then she came up and put her hand on his back a little later and he had like a little reaction to it. - He did. - And then she was like, hey, you're an unimprocredible.

- And then he lost the plot a little bit. - I thought that was really good. I do want to come back to this in like diagnosis boiler corner, but in terms of like if we were wondering about her fine motor skills, this is a lot of precision.

So on the hydrological front, this is like the motor skills are intact, it seems to me. - I also think too like a huge win for her process and her approach where yes, she is doing like she's earning her stripes in the pit, her yellow and black stripes here.

In important moment, but she's also doing it not because she has done this surgery before, but because she did it in a simulated environment like the one that she is teaching the students with to open the season.

So she's winning on her terms. - She's in love terms. - We love it. - Do you read? - I kind of do.

- I loved a win for her. - Yeah, I loved a win for her and I love that it was not

and therefore the viewers will love me. It's like she is becoming a distinct fully formed character all her own. - I'm gonna do something Robbie's not ready with that. - Yep.

- Roxie, we're still here with Roxie. She's talking to her youngest son about being kind, does a little like Taylor Swift's invisible string. And like moment, well what broke me, like really broke me was Casima K going out to talk

to her older son and talk about the regrets of not saying goodbye to his mom. And then there's also a long look that Casi gives her as they're like helping the meds once again. Just like empathy pouring out from every angle

from Casi. And then of course, we already talked about it, like Victoria's reaction to all of it.

“How is the Roxie storyline working for you in this episode?”

- I'm gonna continue, too. - Yeah. - And Craig, maybe we don't see Shane her older son actually go back in the room at any point, right? So like maybe that's coming up next week.

Maybe he never does it.

Maybe he does always remember it, yeah.

But this is why you have McCay in the room the whole time. And so much of her role has been explaining like these are our options in terms of additional morphine or ketamine or this is what your home life will look like. Or just kind of patiently waiting there in the room

as the family sorts stuff out. - Right. - And this is the payoff as you get her talking to a boy who's just like a little older than her son, trying to tell him about what's gonna be one of the worst days

of his whole life and how it could be like slightly less bad if he just goes in the room. And she, I just, every part about that performance in that delivery and the writing there, I think is really powerful.

Like again, you don't have to, like she's not gonna make him go back. No one can make him go in the room. But it's gonna hang over from the rest of his life if he does it.

And it's so clear to her and it's so clear to us. And it's like, I don't know if I can handle it if he goes back in the room, like that's gonna be such an emotional scene, but you hope for that character he certainly does.

- Passy's whole thing, this episode. Like talking to Javadi with empathy about her relationship with her mom, having boundaries. But the fact that having boundaries doesn't mean you can't have a very personal conversation.

- With this patient's son outside the room, like you can have that conversation, but is there a way to let that emotional connection not overwhelm you? - Yeah.

- And then also the very empathetic look. She gives to Javadi when Shamsi comes down and choose her out. You know what I mean? Robby and Dana are a little like, "Oh, Gwerd, you know?"

And whereas McKay's like, - Yeah. - I saw that, that was horrible. - And poor Javadi, who's like looking one way at Robbie and Dana, looking the other way at McKay's like,

"Yes, treating her with a lot of empathy, but also I don't want to participate in this conversation." And it just has to like turn around and run off on her own.

I do think McKay will ultimately be right about Dr. Shamsi.

Like do you think we will get a Javadi Shamsi conversation at some point that is a bridge between them

“and not just her mom being the way she has been so far?”

- Well, as we consider who is still gonna be here next season, 'cause we don't know, like when in the air it takes place or whatever, but Victoria has the opportunity to sort of like be their Belongous, right? 'Cause she's still a med student,

so she could be like, you know, a year one, Dr. Next year, and stuff like that. So like, I feel like that's a long game storyline for her. To be still in the same hospital with her parents. - For sure.

- I don't feel like it's something it's gonna be resolved or dug into in the next five episodes, but it's something that's gonna sort of slow roll over the seasons would be my guess. - And I think could make for a natural exit point.

You know, for that character, if that ever came to be like, maybe it is just too much to be in the same hospital as literally both of your parents. - Right. - So not just your over-bearing mom, but then even your dad who means well

and is trying to let men fences, but it's a lot for anybody.

And I think the numbers game and the show can always

fudge the numbers of like there are only so many spots here, Ogle V, kind of once one of them,

“but in this episode, I think shows some maybe hesitation”

or whether he wants to be in the ED for the rest of his professional life. - And then you want a slower past ED, you know? - I mean, this is a lot to throw at anybody. - He's like, I have a lot of reading together.

- And so like, which one of these medical students ultimately decides that they are ready for this? - I think there's no world in which the pit decides to keep Ogle V on the show and ditch Devani. - It would be tough.

I think it would be tough in a bunch of different ways, including that like we just have such an attachment to Victoria's point, but that's a person as a character who needs to come to terms with what it means to work here, both with the proximity to her mom,

but also the reality is emotionally and in responsibility of what it means to be on that floor. - And do you think that it's almost your body's birthday, conversation that you know, princess and pearl etc. having her this season was there to remind us how old she is?

- Probably. - Of her youth, you know what I mean? 'Cause like, that's not a celebration we're gonna see 'cause it's not happening today. So it's not happening this season.

So like, is there any other reason to bring it up

hey, remember that this woman is quite young?

“- I think it's a set up off season web-assodes.”

You know, we're just gonna get the full, the full Dr. Jay party. - And then, yeah, some social exclusive native content of her giving her own TV prescriptions and fortunately for us.

- Speaking of vampires in the ED, Jeff Cober has entered the building. Do Kimself is here. As I mentioned earlier, the season if folks weren't here for that, I told Robo was really excited

when I found out Jeff Cober was playing Duke. This is a guy who played not one, but two roles on Buffy Vampire Slayer, as well as being on China Beach in general hospital and et cetera, et cetera.

So, was this everything you hope for from Jeff Cober? How did you feel about it? - It was a delightful appearance. I'm already loving the banter with Robby. - Yeah.

- You know, the scope came back clean on his throat. That's great. That lungs got me real worried. (laughing) - There's no way he's gonna be okay.

This felt like real Louis territory, where it's just sort of like this guy's here. So like what will, you know, if he gets a terminal dig, no sister's in like that, like what will that do to Robby? I thought it was interesting.

We got some pushback from listeners on my commentary

last week about how they felt like they're always needed

to be a story that was excusing, like we were here. And some people wrote in with some examples and they used so much for that.

“I think, you know, Duke coming in and being like,”

yeah, I'm a lifelong smokeer, I love alcohol. - Yep. - Here's me. At the same time, he's Robby's VIP, so everyone's gonna treat him like a prince anyway.

So he doesn't need like a backstory to like, you know, for people to sort of, you know, with Donny and Whitaker and everyone to just sort of, like in him to breeze pass everyone in chairs who's like, what the fuck is going on here?

I thought this, the view down the like, where are you? - Yeah. - So it was anyway, the scope view on the monitor was extremely cool, I thought.

- Is it a positive setting to you? - That's still like any internal scoping happening in general, in terms of watching it. - Okay, I don't know, there's, there's a movie trick where he was like,

putting it in the camera, like moves away to the monitor and then he comes back and he sort of like, slight of hand magician, like pulling it out. I thought that was all really cool. - I do appreciate that part of it.

Like, again, this is an area of practical, like medical application, where the pit is, it's so easy and so seamless that in any other show, you might feel a hiccup and you just don't. - Before we get into our spoiler diagnosis territory,

which I want to get to in a second,

I do want to shout out, you mentioned like, the moms in this episode. - A lot of moms. - Any moms stuff in particular, you want to make sure that we--

- I think we've hit the most of it. I mean, we got, we got Victor as mom, we got Samira's mom. I feel like there was, and obviously the Roxy McCase stuff, it's kind of baked in there as well.

Are there any other stray moms in here? - Of our listeners who messages and they were many, to say how excited they were for us, that there was a furry on the pit. - It's true.

- The number one message I saw across all social media, all comments, all emails was, I had to pause and tell my husband.

“So shout out to the wives, so I think they're a huge”

prestige TV pits. Like, we got a few, like, I had to tell my girlfriend and I had to tell my wife, but mostly we got, I had to pause and tell my husband, why I was so excited there was a furry on this side.

- Why I screamed on my couch. - Some things wives, we appreciate you. - Truly. - Thanks for anyone who was unreasonably excited as we were.

- Yeah, I was saying that there was a furry. - All right, anything else you want to talk about before you into this, a slight spoiler territory. - I do want to talk briefly about Becca and Mel. - Oh, Lenin.

- And also, I want to loop in Mel's lawyer on this.

First of all, this is something you don't want to hear

from your lawyer. - It didn't go as badly as you think. - Don't ever say that to me. - Really tough. - Also, maybe lead with, and I mean not even in this episode,

but like, this should have been conveyed to Mel weeks ago, you are not financially liable for anything that's about to happen here and this will not ruin your career. Why, like, why was it ever been initiated? - This whole plot line is a little mystifying.

- Honestly trash, sorry. - It's not good. - I love the pain. I love Dr. Mel King this whole, and like what it seems to, it seems like it's entire existence is here,

not just because this is a thing that Dr.'s go through. - Of course. - Probably not usually in the Fourth of July, but this is the thing that Dr.'s go through, but also to put Mel in a state of agitation

for when she learns this information from Becca. Becca has a sex life, right? - And something that we talked about-- - Becca has a sex life. - Oh, they're getting at it.

- Oh, busy. (laughs) - But like, we talked about this quote from Taylor Darden, who plays Mel King, gave to us weekly, early this season. Where she said quote, "I think Mel is a sexual,

"I don't think that's part of how Mel "with pink, especially at work." She's a hyper-professional and quote. That was in response to like, as Mel King, like, one I get busy with, the Frank Langdon,

and she's like, not really, normal, but guy, for that matter. But that means that when she's confronted with her sister, sex life, she's like, oh shit, this person that I have centered a lot

of my life around, A has, like, kept his information for me, and like, I don't know that she has a boyfriend, a little loan that they're like, having a lot of sex. And also, I can't really relate to her on this front,

And I just thought, and it sort of drafts off of what we're talking

last week with these moments of Becca being like, "I'm not her, your sister." - Right. - You know what I mean? Like, Mel's care for her sister.

We've seen, you know, we've been viewing as, like, this very, like, lovely thing, that she's so supportive of a sister who needs some extra care. But perhaps from Becca's point of view, it's, it's mothering.

I don't know, what do you think?

“- I think they're probably areas where it is.”

And there's probably areas where it's welcome, and there's also a lot of areas where Becca's probably oblivious to the level of, like, work around an extra miling that Mel has to do to take care of her sister. And like, all of that is in the sauce.

They're all of it is in the broth. I think the ramen broth? - The broth. - I hope it's a really well-developed ramen broth at this point.

- Do you still eat cup of noodles? Is that a thing that you eat? - Uh, not like a, like a top ramen or like a. - Not straight cup of noodles. - Oh, you enhance it.

- Like Shin Ramen, sure. - You make a damn bottle. - You make a damn bottle. - Yeah. - I would love it.

The Jamie Egg, like, green onions are widely available. It's like accessible for everybody. You can judge. - Yeah. - Very simply.

- Okay. - I wonder Becca is into ramen, honestly. I could see, I could see it in both ways. - Well, she likes pasta a lot. - I mean, clearly.

- Yeah. - But. (both laughing) - It was an end of last season, where she's like, can we have pasta?

- I don't remember any pasta reference. - They're like, walk in the street.

“She's like, can we watch this movie for a million times?”

- Can we? - Can we sell fibrillies? - Yeah, yeah. - And like to be pasta. - I believe it if you say it.

I don't remember her association of pasta. - Yes, she is. - Not every slurped noodles. Sometimes the slurped noodles just as slurped noodles. - Sometimes it is.

- Okay. - But, okay, we're getting going too close with the slurping and proximity to everything that's happening. - I like that in addition to all of that disclosure that we're talking about between Mel and Becca,

as far as like, what do they talk about? Langden makes it like very clear. In addition to bringing in copious juice options. Like, I can't talk about this with Mel. That's your decision.

You have to get into it. - And my guy loves hippo. - He does stuff. - He's a real rule follower now, you know. The part of it that I appreciate is also the merciness

around being a caretaker for someone who has an active sex life. Right? There's so many ways in which Becca is dependent on Mel. And it's like, you're knowing this about your sister.

You're knowing this about someone who you look after. How does Mel square all those things in her head?

“And I think we get a pretty good glimpse of the gymnastics.”

She is trying to do comprehending everything that her sister is telling her. - I'm really curious how this is going to play out. - Yeah. - All right, last night least, this is the diagnosis boiler corner.

If you don't want to know anything that we know from medical professionals about what is potentially going on in the pit, now's the time to leave. And we'll see you soon. Bye.

Dr. Oh, I'll show you. If she is indeed having absent seizures, what if she had had one while she was actively slashing a trick? - I mean, you think that kid dies, no?

- Yeah. So it is as much as I want to like root for this character. - Yeah. - It is so horribly irresponsible for her to be practicing this kind of medicine at this point.

This sort of ED, you never know

when you're going to have to slash a trick, kind of medicine. It's something that someone in her condition. I never like to tell people what they can't do. But is something in someone with her condition that we've seen that she's being triggered over and over again

into these sort of stair-off-and-de-space absence seizures, that was like scary for me. And I don't like, it's so late in the season that no one seems to have really noticed or commented on like, where is this going?

I'm just like so curious. Is this something where it's just Robby's like, well, I can't, you know, is he going to figure out what where to what end, you know? - And is that a season two concern?

Or is that something where she is continuing on the show? Going forward, and it is eventually as these characters get to know her a little better, like, isn't it weird that every three hours, she shares often to space into middle distance

and then we have to kind of snap her back to reality? It would be hard to notice on your first day. You're right that it's terrifying. You're right that it's clearly irresponsible. I'm not even sure if there's a form of practicing medicine.

I'm sure there are forms in which it would be less irresponsible than this. Anything where you're not performing. - I can't remember. - You know, any like sort of your diagnosing,

you're doing this, you're doing that. But like, you know, if it's hands on,

I need to like, - To the second level character.

- Four of her skills, sort of like, whatever. I don't think she can do that anymore. - But that feels like part of the arc this season, right? If they're constructing your resistant to this character because she's kind of like the antithesis of a lot

of what's going on in the pit, they slowly have like win her over with us or win us over with her. And then eventually drop the bomb that like, actually she's doing this.

- Yeah, gross, grossly negligent thing for the sake of like, I think what I'm eager about. - Well, what I'm worried about is that does that just end with like Robbie was right all along

to leave his department in.

Is that the story I really want to be watching? - I don't know. I don't know that I do want to be watching that story, but we're all head candidate at this point. - That's right.

- We are heavily theorizing, not only on the diagnosis but how it's going to be treated. If it does go that direction, I want to hear her explanation of it, of like why she thinks and tries to justify

that she should continue to practice in this way 'cause I don't know how you would possibly talk to yourself into it. - Yeah. I mean, if there's empathy for her inside of this situation like if this actor is who I haven't seen in a ton of things

but people really admire this actor

is like if she gets something really juicy

or she gets to play like, I have to give up this thing that I love to do because of this medical affliction that I have. Anyway, just something to think about while we're slashing tracks here.

- Just slashing tracks left and right. That's also a situation though where it starts that specific procedure. No one else in the room knew what to do. Like they exhausted their traditional treatment options.

The child's body is like too small almost to some particularly invasive methods.

“And so it was kind of like who has any ideas at this point?”

- Right. - Not to excuse Dr. Leshimi putting, potentially all these patients in a vulnerable spot but she does help them out in a pinch for sure.

- I think she's been trying to not be the one

wielding the scalpel all day and then this was a moment where she felt pressed for it but like I don't know. - Do you think there is a rationale for someone like Dr. Leshimi where by working in a teaching hospital

she can direct the action more so than be involved in the action. - Is this, yeah, I don't know. Okay, let's tune in to find out as we go forward with the pit. Anything else you want to say before we go?

- I have a couple things. One, Robby asks Dana to call in more doctors. Paging Dr. Shen, please to the courtesy phone. Dr. Ellis, I know she just got down for a nap but like, - Dr. Abbott come back.

- I mean, are we gonna get more Abbott? I feel like that might be at this season. That would be tough. I also have one very small note and it's for the woman who's been deputized

to like be a runner for the medications and stuff who last week told us that she runs marathons. - Yeah. - If you are a person who runs marathons, you cannot be constantly saying,

- Hi, Jerry. - This is not a sprint, it's a marathon. You can't do it. Like, I respect her commitment to this thing.

“- How would you say it in either basketball or tennis terms?”

- You just got it and bent to new metaphor. This is like, you just got to call it a long game. You got to do something, you know? We're playing four quarters here. Like, there's a lot you can do.

- Right, this is a tournament, not a skirmish or something. - You just cannot be this person. - Got it. - All right, thank you to you, Ramone. - Thank you, Joe.

- Thank you to Kai Grady. Thank you to Justin Sales, thank you to CT. Thank you to everyone here at the sick more studios. - Takes a village. - He really does.

We back with definitely more pit and Rob promised you some love story coverage. - That's my personal guarantee. I have a lot to get off my chest and again, like a lot of Jackie Oda talk about.

- Yeah, help. - All right, we'll see you soon. Bye. (upbeat music) - Simon, are you still talking about the story?

Is this a school flashback?

“Just a bit weird, and then I hope that it's stimmt?”

- No, not at all. Like, this story is my safe space. - Mm, do you think it's all secure? - Yeah, exactly. Like, this story is the story of the story

that I just understood. Egalobstudium, job, or unzug. - Costumed. - Cras. - Furtig, I don't know how to stay on it.

- Steuja ne ledig? - Save. - With visor steuja.