‘The Pitt’ Season 2, Episode 13: Back Online

- Hello, welcome back to the Prestige TV podcast

beat I'm Dota Robinson. - I am Rob Mahoney. - It is 7 p.m. Episode 13 of the Pit.

“And Emma and Ogilvy have clocked out of their shifts.”

- Off duty. - They're done. - Monica doesn't seem to be all about it. - Monica really thinks Emma could have pitched in. Monica did not throw a little bit of a lot of things

it seems. - Armenian on the floor of the ED absolutely not. - Her I-roll was a magamanica in full force here on the pit. All right, so we're gonna talk about what upset 13 of the pit.

We have some casting news that we're gonna talk about in terms of season three of the pit that just was just announced mere hours ago while we're recording this. Rob work in folks' reaches.

They wanna talk to us about the pit. - I'm so glad you asked Joe. They can reach us at [email protected] that spelled out [email protected] or [email protected]

or again, Prestige TV pod on your social media of choice. - We've got a lot of TV prescriptions going up. So it's a very happy customers from our TV prescriptions on the Instagram. - 100% patient satisfaction score.

- Of the one person who responded, they really liked it. - Okay, this episode's written by Joe Sachs and directed by Damian Marcano

“and we wanna start with, I think we should start”

with this casting news just right up the top. - You wanna go right here. - I do. - Okay, I wanna say if you don't wanna know

potentially critical information about what happens this season.

- I think it's a pretty significant spoiler. - I think it's gonna be hard to avoid if you're a pit fan who will have a true podcast. - Let's look, there are many kinds. They're the pod, only pit fans.

They're the tumbler, only pit fans. - True. - There are the deeper darker pit fans going to all corners of the internet. - Do you wanna save this for the end?

- I think we should save this for sure. - Okay, we're not being a very responsible spoiler guy. - We try. - We're gonna save this casting news to the end, but it's big, it's a big one.

So you should come back. All right, well then let's start with the mailback, why not? - Yeah. - Well, I mean, most I saw comparing Santos dealing the scalpel to land and stealing meds in season one.

- I too saw this.

- And which I don't mind is like a narrative parallel,

but I do not see those as that is the same thing. - I don't even think it's a narrative parallel. - I mean, the vision of someone reaching into a cart and taking something. - I mean, we saw Whitaker take a sandwich,

like I don't see the comp there. - I would just say in my experience as the daughter of a doctor, my uncle's a doctor, those doctors are stealing supplies from the hospital all the time.

My uncle used to steal like iodine and a bunch of other stuff for his home brewing setup from the hospital. My daddy used to steal scrubs for us. We wore scrubs as like PJs and we were kids.

So like the doctor's or forever just like, you know, taken home supplies. - It's a work place. - That's very different from stealing drugs. - Also very different from stealing a scalpel,

which is not a normal like I'm swipe and post it from the supply closet. But I just don't really see the parallel with the linked in situation. - I mean, I find we thought it's like a visual parallel,

but I just don't think it's like a on the same scale of, you know, transgression comp at all. - Absolutely not. - At all. Coke and sports.

Last week of the pod, if you missed it, we talked a lot about the so-called birdie month. This was before the Tiger Woods news hit. - You're absolutely right. - So, but we were, we were talking about other sports

and what you might call a head of Coke can while you're playing other sports. We got a lot of suggestions for people, specifically in your world in the tennis world. Was there anything that you wanted to call out

from our listeners? - I just feel like the lines were right there the whole time. - Yeah. - And so I did appreciate like a love line, you know, down the line, plan the lines.

“I think there's a lot you can work with there,”

but line oriented does feel like the way to go. - We also got listeners who's a swimmer. We just had lane lines. - Also for good. - That sounds really messy to try to do like a bump of Coke, while you're all wet from the pool,

like, does that not form a paste of some kind? - Yeah, and if you have like Coke residue in or around your nose, when you jump into the pool, does it just seep out into the chlorine pool? - That post-nil nasal drip from Coke is a real experience

that I would not want to enjoy underwater, actually, and at any other time, all right. - Tell us about those, those are very personal anecdote there, Joe. - It's a fun fact, this is a truth thing that happens. - I've seen this around a bit that people are curious.

They feel like med student Victoria Javadi is being called Dr. Javadi by people that she works with, even though she's a med student. I was tracking it, after we got some comments about that, I was tracking inside of this episode.

We see Robbie inside of the same incident where he's talking to Samira and he calls her Samira,

I don't know if there's like a significance to that. The reason he needs to call her Javadi, in that case was that Mary McCormick's character was Javadi. I know your parents, I was at your baby shower, but in general, I will be curious to track this sort of like,

I think it's interesting this first name,

last name, kind of what we call it. - I'm sure it's character's inside of. - Well, this one is not just first name, last name, but being called a doctor when you're not. - Well, you're not. - Yeah, when she's a medical student.

“- I think in those cases, we get two variations, right?”

We get the one of, you know, like Emma says, "Dr. Ogilvi" in this episode, in a way that like, maybe a little mistaken about the hierarchy, - She's an honest mistake, in the way that some of the patients might. And then we have Robby telling Dr. Javadi,

show your mother that you're built for the ED, and that's more of like a vote of confidence in a way. - Right, but inaccurate at the same time. - I mean, inaccurate, but, you know, projecting. - Robby picks and chooses when he decides to support his

underlings. Unclustering a clusterfuck, we got a tremendous amount of emails about your very sensible linguistic question of, does one unfuck a clusterfuck or does one uncluster a clusterfuck? Did you hear anything that felt compelling

one way or another from our listeners?

- So much, the problem is in both directions

at the time. - Yeah. - I have read many explanations, including from, I mean, just some truly impressive grammatical minds out there, who are breaking this down on the most granular level, and I feel more lost than ever,

as to what the truth of the matter is. - It's a very pit outcome that you're like, "I can see it from both sides." - It's true. - We just learned to accept it, you know,

there's a level of loss that we all experience in the pit and a level of confusion. We all experience in everyday life. I'm just finding my personal with a correct balance. - It's true, it's true.

Also on the joy front, we got some emails from people who have experienced working inside of hospitals or EDs who were sort of surprised by joy-leaving early, inside of this episode, we get sort of a comment from Santos where she was like smart girl

that she left at 659. - This is a real generational divide question, and I've experienced it myself as someone who's like, an elder millennial technically, that when you encounter Gen Zia in the world,

and they're drawing these clear boundaries. And on the one hand, an instinct that you have is like, how entitled of you don't you know that we all have to do XYZ. And at the same time, there's a voice inside of you saying,

"Good for you, why didn't I do that?" And just 'cause I didn't have to work like balances and me you shouldn't. So this is like a, but shouldn't you suffer the way that I had to suffer, or maybe you shouldn't,

because it should be better for the next generation. So like, this is something that I've experienced myself as I've watched younger people come up inside of the work place behind me, and he thoughts and feelings of this. - I think a lot of us, yeah, generationally,

are coming from that same perspective, and then a lot of people emailed in, too. There's a lot of suggestion of like, "Oh, if you did this, there would be professional consequences. "Oh, if you did this, you wouldn't be a regarded in the same way

"by your superiors." - Yeah, I mean, the perspective is,

“what if that's not the worst thing in the world?”

- Right. - What if it's okay to clock out more or less on time and do your job and show up and be a professional, but then go home at the end of the day, and you don't have to climb the ladder.

Wouldn't that be an acceptable way to live? - And particularly for someone like Joy, who's like, "I have no interest in eating." It's like, this is not where I want to make my name. I want to do pathology, and I'm gonna get a shit about this.

- She's gonna stand on her punch card, and she rounds her way into the thing that she actually is interested in doing exactly. - All right, let's meet the night shift before we get into everything.

I thought we might wanna break down some of the returning and new characters that we have, like last week, Matteo walked in. Dr. John Shen walked in last week. - Our goat.

- We had already seen Dr. Ellis this season, but Dr. Ellis is here. And then of course, Dr. Jack Abbott is here, but then we've got two new people. Dr. Cruz Henderson is played by Luke Tenney of Shrinking Fam.

So he's here, we're on cruise control with him. What was your first impression of this character? - Wonderful. - Warm and fuzzy. I mean, it's very clear initially

that he just has very good patient rapport, like a very soft rapport with them. And in particular, it does something that granted his easier to do at the beginning of your shift than at the end,

but even then relative to the other doctors like talking directly and empathetically two patients.

And understanding how critical a part of the job that is.

- It's so funny, as he, like, you know, we've been with the day shift all day. I was like, a little, when he was like, we'll get you home real quickly. - I mean, that was an overpass.

- I was like, okay, but then he did. And I was like, oh, never mind. You can back all of that up.

“So, I mean, things have cooled down a little bit, right?”

The systems are back online. - Yeah. - There are enough beds that like no one is rushing digby out the door, like things have chilled to the point that you can do the rounds

with both parts of the staff. And yeah, make some promises and maybe even deliver on them. - Also, we have Dr. Nazalee to Marion, played by Sophia Hampsick, and this is her first day. She's an intern, which she's the first year resident.

So, it's like, Santos last season or Whitaker this season, that's the level that she's coming in on. This is her first day.

This is her getting to meet everyone. So, this is who we have on staff then. And then nurse, baby, we had already met. I don't know if she's technically the night shift, but she seems like she's kind of here.

So, we've got Matteo, nurse, baby.

Dr. Tamarion is the first year resident, Dr. Cruz Henderson

is a fourth year resident, their senior resident. - Right. - Dr. Parker Ellis, also a senior resident. - Are we sure about that? - Yeah. - Okay. - I mean, just 'cause I've googled this.

- Well, I mean, but there's a lot of conflicting Googling of type of--

“- I believe she's the fourth year resident, but you think she's--”

- I was, I was-- - They're here? - While I'm wondering, because, okay, so, Cruz Henderson is referred to by Abbott as the senior resident. - This is the senior resident. - And if they're parallel, I would think they would be

co-sing your residents to which the answer to the question of who our senior would be both Ellis and Henderson, which leads me to believe that maybe she's on some kind of fellowship track that hasn't quite been said explicitly, but maybe--

- Here's the even more confusing wrinkle. - Okay. - We have two attendings. - We do. - Dr. John Shen is an attending

and Dr. Jack Abbott is an attending.

- Crazy, the robby doesn't care. - Isn't that fascinating? - So weird. - We got an email from our listener, Kate, about this, just in reference to Robby's objection to attending's on the day shift, right?

She said, his protestations against having to attend on the day shift really confused me, because the night shift has to, Abbott and Shen, and nights are typically quieter than days. So I went to my in-house expert, my husband,

who was a supervising PA and a major city ed to ask what's the normal staffing level in an ED like that?

“And he said, quote, "large volume, teaching hospitals typically”

have three to five attendings made a mum per shift." World community hospitals typically have one attending, so the idea of a major city tertiary care center that is also a teaching hospital with many residents running a shift with one attending is laughable and quote.

So Kate said, so this all feels purely written for plot character and not at all realistic to how ED's run, which is fine, this television. Also, PS, the vast majority of the whitenesses that my husband works with are Trump's supporter

slash conservatives and married to cops, slash firefighters, way more monocos than data as in that profession, so. But yeah, going back to this, like, it is very much a construct of this television

that we have, like, Robby the leader and the hierarchy under him, but it is fascinating that the night shift, a comar shift, has two attendings, a senior resident, and if you are correct, then Dr. Ellis is at least like-- - At least someone quite senior, yeah, on the shift.

- But it wasn't anything. - It also tracks that even if this institutional progress would be pushing the day shift to have multiple attendings, even before now, Robby would be the kind of person who is like spider-man

holding himself in front of the train insisting that it's a solo job. - I don't want it, this is John Snowboys. Okay, and then two new, sort of, like, other staff members, I want to talk about, which is Dr. Linda Conley of Neurology,

Division Chief of Neurology, working holiday weekend, played by Mary McCormick. We had talked about how she was going to be appearing this season. You know we're in Lover from West Wing, or people know we're in Lover from ER,

so she has a lot of ties to John Wells. And then Dr. Clay Barrett, played by Jeffrey Owens, who comes in to talk to Robby about Duke. - Yes.

- And he's basically like, there are limits

to where you can push your friend, my guy. - Yeah. - And here's where the rubber means run. Jeffrey Owens, the after Jeffrey Owens. I know from the Cosby show, he played Dr. Elvin Tibido,

who's like one of the Cosby's Dr. Huxibels sun and law, but he's like another TV doctor. So these are two TV doctors that they brought on to play, like one episode, two episode, TV doctor. So basically there's a really fun,

“and they should just like keep doing that, I think.”

- Yeah, I mean there are so many specialties. There's so many places in the hospital, you can pluck from. And the fact that you have, if you're familiar, this built-in institutional knowledge

of these people as doctors. And if you're on familiar, they just know how to play it, Dr. - Jeffrey Owens, the actor, who was on the Cosby show, I don't know if you saw this story, I think it was like five years ago.

He was working at Dr. Elvin. - About Bill Cosby. - I didn't see her the news. - I did see that one, yeah. - The news about Bill Cosby, he's working at Trader Joe's.

And like someone took a photo of him and like put it online, it could be like, oh my gosh, Elvin from the Cosby show is working at Trader Joe's now. And he's like, hey, yeah, guess what?

I'm a working actor and sometimes you're not working. And then he's gotten like a lot of, you know, like, various people reached out to him and was like, "Tell it Paris, like, hey man, "come like the part of my universe or whatever."

So, I was gonna do that. - But I'm glad that things took that direction. - Yeah, exactly, so I was excited to see him here. And I was like, Elvin was like a very memorable character to me on the Cosby show.

Okay, those are all the new stuff. Anything else you wanna say? I mean, we'll talk about them as the storylines go for it. But anything you wanna say about their introduction or these actors or anything like that.

- Well, we should also note that Lena would normally be the charge nurse for the night shifts. Dana has given her the night off with no real plan on how to fill that spot in- - Oh my coverage, she said.

- Finding coverage for a night shift in real time with no notice.

- Robably? - Yeah.

- She did have, like, she sent Lena home hours ago.

So, like, she had time to find someone and she- - And not a call was placed. - But also, for the July, it's a night time. Maybe someone's been drinking all day who's say anything else you wanna say

about these new cast members. - I'm glad to have them.

“I think, especially, like Dr. Tumarian too of a-”

- I really liked her. - I mean, a welcome presence, good energy, distinct character, but also like a type of character we don't have, which is someone on the night shift who isn't, like, very senior.

- Right. - We're used to the elicis and the shens and- - The Cowboys are here. - Exactly. - And it's like, where are the med students?

Where are the younger doctors who are learning who are being taught? And so to see someone who's kind of stumbling around

on the night shift, I thought it was like a welcome presence here.

- I think they're usually, I think that's more loaded onto the day shift in general, but- - But there must be some exceptions, right? - So, I want to start here, sort of after we've gotten to all of that, now that it's over,

how did the outage work for you as a storyline this season? - Okay, I think it worked well as a misdirect of, oh, this big chaotic thing's happening. And then in real time, most of the characters learned to navigate it, figured it out.

I thought this episode did a good job of crystallizing some of the subtler costs, right? That even though it wasn't as frenetic as a mass shooting event, there still cases like Mr. Greenward's like, if the computers have been working,

they would have been on top of his aortic aneurysm from the beginning. He would have known his full medical history, but between that and an experienced med student working with him, they didn't get the full chart represented

in real time. - I really like about that, I mean, obviously, I don't love that Mr. Greenward is no longer with us in Obovius traumatized, but what I like about that scenario as well as there's patient responsibility too,

because so as someone who had major surgery last year, I have six month checkups that I have to do with my doctor for several years in the future. Check how I am doing after that procedure. That's my responsibility to make those appointments

and show up for those appointments. And Mr. Green just stopped doing that. - And that's an understandable thing. You're just sort of like, I feel better. I'm fine.

I don't have to do this maintenance, but that is a patient responsibility, and hopefully if all of your systems are working, you have, you in the hospital have a check for that, but there's a sort of a very understandable human patient

negligence, and a computer outage,

“Samira's distraction today, if you want to put it that way,”

and then Obovi being new and not knowing what to look for, all of those things combined, wind up with this guy not making it. So I thought that was like, I like that part too, that sort of patient responsibility being part of.

- Well, and just the difference in patient behavior and understanding as it results to their own medical history, right? There are people, and like, I've been guilty of this, of you going for an appointment or something,

they asked your medical history, and just a really rack your brain to think, when was that surgery, when was this treatment, when was this thing that I was in for, and then we've seen patients come through the ED

where it's like, they have chapter inverse, because they've been in such recurring pain, or they haven't been taken seriously. It's like, they are in and out of the hospital or doctor's offices all the time.

For someone like Mr. Green, you're right, he goes home, he feels better, and you have the luxury of kind of forgetting about it all right. And then all of a sudden, it creeps back up in a really terrible and unfortunate way.

- And he also wants to say about the outage.

“- I think I agree, I think it was an interesting concept”

in terms of, let's take us back to how medicine works in the 90s, on ER, which is not the same show of the criedinistate as listening, like all that sort of stuff like that. And excuse to bring Monica in,

who's an interesting, at least, flavor to have here. - I like having her on the show for the record. - Me too, as a character, I don't want to have any cigarette or meal with her, but-- - You're a snowflake.

- You think that about me? Yeah, I mean, overall, I don't, I will say this. There's another storyline that gets kind of wrapped up in this episode that I feel pretty low on. So I'm gonna say, I feel pretty medium on the outage.

I think medium plus, I'm at it, pretty good. It's like about rounds, as a good way to sort of like, make sure we understand who these new characters are and also where we stand with everyone.

First, before we get to rounds, we get this check-up

on Nurse Jessie, and I thought we might just take a moment to sort of check in on everything we learn about. Jessie, your Santos is telling Dr. Henderson about it. The K-letters know that Jessie did a little more than just put a hand on the ice agent.

And I love that for him. Dr. Alhashimi says that lawyers on the case and that Pearl a leader has some info. - Yeah. - She got a beard of the ground.

- That he's two hours away. And then later, Landon, Pearlab and Robbie are talking about it. And they're like, he's gonna be locked up the entire weekend and that sucks, there's nothing we can do for him. So Jessie is in the clear field containment center

for the rest of the weekend to Monday. - Yeah, that's a best case scenario. - That sucks. - Although in the processing of that information, Pearlab, again, relaying that her brother-in-law is a cop.

- Yeah.

- We spent half of this episode with Dr. Robbie

going full detective mode on Dr. Alhashimi. Be like, okay, what's her deal? What's going on? What's her history at the VA? Not once did he think, this is a great buddy cop moment

with me and Pearlab. I should bring in the detective who has actual information and clearly knows what she's doing. - Now that's all I want.

“- I think it could be a great set, actually.”

- Actually, I don't think I want Rob. I want Pearlab in the case, but I don't know that I want Robbie. I'm the case, but I want a different partner. Who in the EDL's would you put with Pearlab? - I mean, Pearl is a lone wolf.

Like, when she's with Princess, they have a one-two act for sure. But I could see her just going full and the war, you know, high collar, trench collar, creep around the ER, just really diggin' up clues.

- I love that. - Also, real tragedy for our guy, Dr. John Shen, no Carter cake or flowers for Robbie. - What the hell? - You really wanted that cake, he was pretty disappointed.

Rob, what's your stance on it going away, party? - Pro. - Okay, as you know, I'm in the process of moving. - Yes. - Leaving Northern California where I've lived

like basically my entire life

to move down here to Los Angeles. There are several people in my life who are trying to talk me into a going away party. - Yeah. - I'm anti.

- Okay, I want to call for my stance. - Okay, I'm good with going away parties for contained groups of people. You know what I don't want? - Yeah.

- All of the pockets of people in my life intermingling, that's messy. I don't want that. - I also just don't want like a big, like a fuss. - Much of do.

- Yeah, much of do about nothing. And also, especially, I mean, do a cake for like a three-month sabbatical. I mean, as Robby says, ominously at the end of episode,

perhaps I'm not coming back. But like, it's just a sabbatical.

“He's not leaving the department for good, you know?”

- I'm inclined to agree with Dr. Shen because my policy on going away parties is probably similar to my non-birthdays, which is I don't want to celebrate my own, but I want to celebrate everyone else.

So like, if you're going away, let's have a party. - If I'm going away, I want to slink out the background. - That's what I'm saying. Okay, I will go to a going away party.

I just don't want one for me. - Entirely fair. - That sounds like my nightmare to be honest with you. - With love and respect. - If you're Joe's friends out there, now you know.

- Yeah, don't do it. - Don't celebrate me. - You are planning a surprise party. Don't do it. - I don't want it.

- I mean, sometimes surprise party are fun. - Okay, now you're being confused. - No, I don't want to go away party. But like, when you were kid, did you ever have a surprise party?

- I love a surprise party. - Okay, tell me why. - It's a lot of attention on me at a moment where I don't want it. - Here's what I, okay.

- Let's get into my control issues. Okay, no, no, no, no, no. Here's some moment on every episode of the pit where we do therapy. When I was in college,

a friend of mine, he, his birthday was like four days after mine. And so all of our friends told me it was a surprise party for him and they told him it was a surprise party for me.

- But the answer was both. - And it was like a surprise party for both of us. - That's pretty good. - That was great. - That was like, that was really fun

because I was like, wow, you thoroughly got me in a really fun way. - That's a quality-friendly right there. - That's really smart. - Okay, for reals, let's do rounds.

Dialysis dad. - Yeah. - Digby still here. - Troublesick are still collecting his pagex for the season. Digby and baby Jane Down, here all day.

Water ski knee tweak. - Yeah. - Millions segment is the patient there. - She really wanted to flex about it too. - Oh, well, wouldn't you?

“- I think if you injured your knee doing a water skiing stunt,”

like that's just what it is. You don't need to be like, I went off this high ramp. I was doing it 360. - You definitely would, Robert, are you kidding me? - I think- - And what if you,

what if you injured yourself playing tennis but you did something like really cool? Enduring yourself. - I don't know, I think once you injured yourself, it's not that cool anymore.

- I don't know, like this reminds me there was like the evil cannibal guy earlier this season. I just feel like people who do like

dare to have a water skiing are always wanting

to talk about like- - Well, that part is definitely true. - How do I? - I'm daring and deviling their water skiing movements. - No argument for me.

And then he struck mom, gets a sort of mention. And he, like follow up on that case, do you feel like we're gonna get, you know, what's been interesting, Chris and I were talking about this a little bit on the watch,

the way in which the actors have come out this season a bunch and talked about like, hey, you're watching a different show than the one we're making. - Yeah.

- Whether that's sort of a Patrick Ballantaire Taylor Deerdon talking about the Langdon Milk King dynamic or this idea of like trying to solve the mystery of the pit. No, we've talked about this. I agree in some way the pit is trying to sort of set up

like a medical mystery for you. What's happening with Dr. Al Hashimi? We still don't know detective Robby's on the case. Surely we'll find out before the end of the season. But then like maybe there are things like heat stroke mom

or the point is not, did she do it? Who done it? It's not a true kind of podcast and look at the dirt under the fingernails. It's just a sort of like, isn't this a horrible situation.

So I don't know like, where are you on that? Do you feel like we're gonna get sort of a done, done, done, reveal or not, what do you think? - I mean, no idea if we're gonna get the full reveal, but we will get more information just by virtue

is still upstairs, being treated.

And so I would imagine we at least get some declaration of whether he's okay or not or what it statuses. We also know that his dad has arrived with a net him yet. The dad went straight up to be by his kid's side has not stopped by to see the mom at all.

So I would think we will see the dad

“and I think we will get some progress support”

if not actual closure. - With two hours left in the season. Are you starting to sort of have a running tabulation of the things that you need results? And how high on the list you put he's stroke mom versus

will Langdon and Robbie have another meaningful conversation or not? - Well, there's kind of like patient cases and then doctor issues in separate categories. So it's hard to weigh against each other,

but among the patient cases, I don't know that there's anything else that's like lingering other than heat stroke kid in his mom. - Right.

- Because yeah, dialysis dad is soon to be discharged as he seems doing much better.

- No, Howard made it through surgery.

This ismatic kid seems to be making a full recovery. We don't know about baby Jane Doe. So Orlando, we won't know what's happening with Orlando. - We're also brief that we won't know for weeks. So like, I mean, the Orlando case is devastating.

- An absolute disaster. - The way that Noel comes down is like, well, now you qualify this that and the other thing. - Is this the time to settle the bill? - Guess what?

Let's talk about Noel Hastings, R&D. I'm out on this entire story line.

“I think her stuff with Robbie this episode”

and as a season of the whole 'cause I presume this is there goodbye has not worked for me. And I don't know if it's like a lack of chemistry between the actors or just the way, like I just don't,

it's a difference between lucky and character or not. I don't like Ogle V, but I think he's a very useful character this season. - Yeah.

- I don't feel like Noel Hastings, this has worked at all for me in any juncture. I was like waiting for a payoff of her relationship with Robbie or her dynamic with Dana or anything like that. And as like a conveyance of information

about the way in which Billing works at the hospital, she's been like a useful sort of exposition machine. - In the same way the social workers pop to explain policy. - But like with the Robbie stuff,

this just is fell really flat for me. - Well, she's not really a character. - Right. - Like she serves a couple of purposes. You nailed a couple of them.

I think one of them is just having a person who works with Robbie who would also be spending time with him outside of the E.D. who has seen him in other contexts. And the fact that he knows that he needs a TV on,

I can't sleep. - Know his most intimate details. - He's not sleep maxing. I'll tell you that right now. - No, he's not.

He's watching like bad about you, reruns or something. You know, I don't know what he's doing. - It's honestly. (laughing) - We're all looking to be sued that our own ways.

And so to have that kind of inside information and still be as worried about him as she is, I think it's telling, right? It's not that everyone who works with Robbie doesn't know more, but that's literally all she does

on the show is like pop down maybe on a straight flirt. - A straight flirt. - And then leave? - I don't know. It just didn't work for me.

- I was hoping for more. And this certainly felt like the last we're gonna see if no one will use things this season. It didn't really go anywhere. - I did love the Abbott sort of shoulder check.

- That was my main. - But like, there's a couple of great Sean had to see most of this episode. And this is among them, like we're guling his way through there.

You know, they're sent off. Just tremendous stuff. Well, he's like, guess, this plow is not working for me out there,

“so that's why he was raising his eyebrows.”

- We're up it up. - So we're spending this much time on this. - Yeah, we're up it up. So I'm gonna do work on me. I would say my most emotional moment

or investment in this episode is the DIGB stuff. This was a tremendous payoff of like a season long I'm like, in episode. - Yeah. - My one exception to that is I think

Dr. Samarion being like, there's a different guy in that bed was pretty dumb, but everything else made me cry. This is a great moment for Emma a character that we have been sort of like up and down on this season,

but like finished, I think, really strong. - Agreed. - Dana's bedside manner with him, the way that she talked to him, the way that he talks about like,

his daughter living in his house. - Yeah. - Or like, how did that happen? What's going on there? But also like, Emma and Dana don't have to solve that.

That's not what they're there to do. They're there to just give him this like, loving care. His fear that they won't recognize him so they won't be able to find him.

Emma saying, "Did you dance with your daughter? "You're winning."

- I always remember you like this really,

really got to me and I thought, I thought Charles Baker was really, really good in this role and I just thought, I thought this was a tremendous sort of, I mean, I don't know if this is the end of Digby's role in the show.

I got with only two more episodes, but like, if so, this is like, tremendous arc, I think. - I thought so too, I especially because the typical pit fashion,

this is like all playing with Digby, basically the way you would expect this show to handle it. In terms of what is trying to say about this character and his place in the world and his place in the ED and the dignity of just like getting a shave

and a haircut and a shower and some sandwiches

where he doesn't have to be looking for where he's gonna be sleeping that night or whatever situation may be. It's all kind of like playing the beats and then you get that shot of him in the hand mirror

like seeing himself after his haircut

for the first time and it's an amazing, beautiful moment.

And the fact that the show can kind of like thread you along in all the ways you expect and still land those sorts of things.

“And we saw it all throughout season one too, right?”

It's like, yeah, it's gonna really hurt when this teenager who overdosed dies in the family has to reckon with it, but then you get the walk through the hospital and it's just, it's what you expect

but hitting in a totally different way. - And that was a lot of the digby moments in this episode for me. - And also digby starts in a place of like real you know, his, we talked about the maggots in the cast obviously

but like, you know, in terms of like dignity and who is owed what and all of that from the shower like from the beginning Dana is really sort of, you know, instructing Emma on this idea of like digby or Mr. Digby and his.

But then like to a certain degree he became a bit of comic relief. He just sort of like hanging around. He sort of like some, some burn bikini babe who gets a great walk through inside of this episode

like just there and you know, just occasionally just sort of like still there it's still doing well Mr. Digby like, you know, just digby all of that or something like that. So to then in pit fashion,

twist the knife and make it like an extremely emotional moment was I thought really, really good. - I did have one question. - Yes, sir.

“- About the, did you dance with your daughter”

at her wedding? - Yeah. - What do the answers know? Like what if he had like what's... Give it Emma to hit it.

- That's a tough love to then have to just like back slowly away for up. So it landed perfectly. - Yeah. - And Emma gets just a, I mean the moment her day

has been building towards as well. In terms of showing him that kindness and knowing like exactly how to comfort this person who is in need of just like he's just panicking, right? He's having a momentary panic about his ability

to connect with his family after looking and feeling like a new man. But yeah, I don't know what the, I don't know what the potable was on that one, if it felt flat. - Did you post with any photos?

Well, did you walk around the aisle, you know? There are other things that they're doing. - Hopefully, sir. - Hopefully, sir. - Whittaker Santos, Mohan King and McCay

are all on charting scanning, shredding duty, the various points in this episode as they try to get out of there. But like, Santos is like, I live here now, I guess. - Well, we did learn.

“I mean, this is what's gonna keep them around, right?”

We thought it was gonna be charting, no, it's scanning. - Yeah, she's not even gonna get to her charting that she's behind on, she's got to scan and shred. I just wanna shout out a few things. McCay fighting the scanner/fax machine.

I see you, I see you and I identify with you and I love it. And then we get Santos and Whittaker having sort of like get another conversation about their living situation.

I loved this. - All the Whittaker Santos stuff this season's been really, really great. - They're little like, exchange of glances, not glances,

like these very like shy sort of encounter at the very end tail end of that conversation. I, you know, we've talked before about the pit fandom and their tendency to sort of like ship various characters and stuff like that.

But I do love that the pit does a really good job of these platonic relationships. And how important you know, Santos is hooking up with Garcia,

but that is far from the most important

in nourishing the opposite of that relationship in her life. But Whittaker is here as like a complete lifeline to her in terms of like someone who sees her and supports her and cares about her.

And she's a tough person, McCay in this episode is like, "You're gonna get to that, yeah." You know, so she's a tough person and no, she's a prickly person, but she extended a lifeline to him at the end of last season

when she's like, "Hey, man, you're living in the hospital "and come live in my house after bullying him all day." - It can be both. - And he is here to offer this to her, which is just sort of like I'm not gonna leave you

at the first opportunity, you know, which I thought was really beautiful. - But also knowing her well enough to note and not say that. - Right.

- Right, it's like she is a skittician of person where if he was overtly supportive, she would reject it. - Well, he even said last episode he was like, "You just have to say it." - Yeah.

- To say it and then she doesn't say it and he offers it to her anyway. - He does. - And here it's all like, yeah, I could maybe just stop by Robbie's to take care of stuff.

Like, never overtly saying,

even that I wanna stay or that you need me around. - I can feel that you need me around or that you need some company right now. - Well, when I steal your avocados, I get really mad or someone.

Like, especially if you wait until the economy - To the perfect ripeness. - Come on. - And then it's gone. - I'm waiting multiple days to get that thing right in the zone.

- Absolutely not. Wait a crown of the magnetic nose jewelry. Anything you wanna say about that? I mean, this one's like open and shut before it's done. Pretty clever.

Do I mean, this is just like Whitaker's moment

this is actually kind of a high-stakes situation

and he just kind of deals with it with a bit of ingenuity. You know, it's being there for someone on their worst day. - I mean, it was almost that girls worst day. Like the thought of her nose being disfigured

“was about the worst thing that she could think of”

at that moment. So he was there, he was there with the answer and he was there to do something that was not horribly painful. So check, check, check, check.

And I love, I, you know, it was the great moment of like Dr. Diduany when you use a tool but not for its intended purpose. You just sort of like, no, we're gonna use the other side that we're gonna do this.

And clearly he's like seen some other, some other doctor taught him how to do that. And so he's like, guess what? And he's teaching a new doctor how to do the same time. - I do have, I mean, I have questions about the science.

Like what is happening with the reverse end of those four steps? What is, what are those? - It looks like medical grade tweezers. - Medical grade tweezers, there's my favorite. But like why would the pointy, the, the,

the grabby end of the medical grade tweezers not also be magnetically willing? - Wait with it under, you need like a flat, doesn't he slide it under? - I thought he just kind of hovers it outside

and it pops with the magnetic force. - I thought he just kind of hovers it outside and it pops with the magnetic force. - Okay, well maybe I'm mistaken. We'll have to revisit. - Okay.

- If you're an expert in magnetic, please email us at Dr. [email protected] - If you're just a pigment, please do email us. Dr. [email protected] And last but not least on this sort of like section,

and we'll say, "Melking, kicking the shred, like fondsing the shredder so hard knocks into Santos." - It's good.

- And Isabriona is basically like breaking.

Like she's for real laughing that actress. Like I just really liked that moment. - Okay, I raised you on the kick with first the beep beep beep. (laughing) - I really hope that was like an improv.

I really feel like Taylor Dearden as Melking is like, has such a beat on like the weird quirky things that her character would do. Love it.

“- I think I'll see you want to say about Magamonica before we leave for that.”

- Let's kick her to the curb, honestly. - Oh, real joy. Okay, or lid up. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna describe what Samira does in this episode as Wilting, just completely dissolving, right?

She learns about Mr. Green dying from Whitaker giving up on the ultrasound application when Dr. Henderson's like, "Guess what? "Guess what's in the bag, babe?" - I'm diagnosing patience.

- I've written it for you guys. - So I'm not looking good as far as that goes. - And then asking this medic about the work conditions around the job site to sort of see if there was like something that wasn't related to his diabetes that could have been involved

in his fall here. Just and then like her just like completely shell-shocked inside of this entire trauma moment, like snapping back at Robbie and Ressia, but also sometimes just not responding,

'cause she's just completely out of it. This devastates me as someone who's like emotionally invested in Samira, who's had like a terrible day to see her completely dissolved like this, 'cause he wanted to just be like, like last season,

she got all this shit for being so slow and then she just like comes through, I know. - I know. - In the trauma moment at the end of the season,

but this just feels like we're just continuously nose diving for this character. How did you feel about that? - I mean, it's incredibly tough to watch.

“And I think in particular, the moments you identified”

with Garcia and Robbie, where it's sort of like, I know we're at a teaching hospital, but I don't want to fucking be taught right now. Like she's so invested in this case, to the point where, you know,

when the opportunity does come up to assist Dr. Conley in terms of addressing Orlando's skull fracture, I completely co-signed that Samira should not be involved in that, right? Like she's too emotionally hit,

she's too close to this case. Like that's a good decision to sit that particular on out. - Oh, you're giving Victoria the out, but like Robbie's like, I'm gonna push you so. - Now I wanna circle back to that one,

so I think it's like a little more nuanced, but in terms of where Mohan is at this point in the day, like she is devastated. She's taken hits at every turn, not just by like a day and a bunch of cases

that are almost like structured to push her to her limits over the course of this season. - Yeah. - But also having this tailspin about her career and the process, also having this underlying stuff

with her family and her mom going on, that we don't really know the full extent of. - We did get an email from Melissa who did not want to be identified, but she was pointing out, she was a little disappointed that both Victoria and Samira, Mohan and Devati

has like, you know, Southeast Asian women have these storylines related to their moms and this listener was a little like, that's a little stereotypical for like both of these characters to have the moms

as the ogering mother as their trigger point. - I mean, it's a totally fair flag. - So what do you wanna say about Victoria that feels a little more nuanced to you? - I mean, it is, but like--

- So I, this one was interesting because it is not unlike Dr. Javadi, show your mom that you're built for this. Like, it is a vote of confidence from Robbie and it is a push at a time

where Javadi's having her own moments of crisis, right? She's had a tough time with patients all day.

She's kind of second guessing herself

and her own instincts. But there's something about the way Robbie does it

this is great opportunity and you need to take it

and I'm almost like not accepting you to decline it. But the way he follows it up by staying in the room and the thumbs up, thumbs up, thumbs up, thumbs up. - He's not throwing her into the deep and in the leaving in the way that he has with other doctors

all throughout the day, all throughout both seasons. This is like, this is an opportunity for you. I see you being a little shaken in your confidence right now and I'm telling you you can do this. - I don't disagree with you

and I just think that if I were her manager, I would have been like, you don't have to do this to that. But the conversation that he offers her with occurs emotional support of Santos, Mel King talking to Langdon when he feels disparated,

just know what has done that for Subira today. - And the moment where it looks like Robbie might, he just wants to know the dirt on how to shoot me. That was heartbreaking. - Really tough.

- 'Cause she's like spacing out into the computer completely lost in the woods and it's like it finally seems like he might be pulling her aside for the right word. - There was a moment when he's talking to Mrs. Diaz

and he's like, you know, your husband had all the information we honored him. From a certain point of view that's him backing me on up. But also it's him legally covering their asses. It's just sort of like, you know, so it can be both things.

But like that was a moment where I was like, okay, well he's like on her team.

And he never says to Subira like,

why did you let him leave, you know? So he doesn't do that. But I just like, Mohan really needed someone today to like, we talked about this before like Dana talking to Mel and the stair.

Well, like someone just like sit down and be like, I see you as a person, you know, like, perhaps when she had her panic attack, you know? Like, Langdon was taking care of her, joy, like, got her in the wheelchair.

There are people like showed up, but no one just sat down and said, let's have an emotional heart to heart about how you're feeling about your mom. Now again, there's two more hours in the shift.

So this could still happen to like, you know, Robby's in giving her nothing but shit all day. So I would love for someone to show up for her the way, but it's realistic. It is. - That like, for many of these characters,

there will be emotional support in emotional, but it gets like absolutely collapsing at our horrible day.

“And for some of the characters, there won't be, you know?”

- It's very true. I think especially when you think about the types of people who tend to get that sort of support. - Yeah. - Often it is like, yeah, younger doctors, inexperienced doctors, people who are coming up

and you can see, you know, for Langdon, you know? - Well, no, they have a unique relationship clearly. And have a reciprocal care for each other that I think is important.

But like, I wonder if part of the problem with Mohan is like, she is very competent. And she is very good at her job. And I think it is instructive treatment. Like, she is literally hours away from having a panic attack

on the floor and should have been going home right then and there. Not because Robby thought she was unfit for work, but like, you got to take care of yourself. And I, - Right. - But Emma got to attack an MSD and we're all like,

good job Emma. - Well, Emma also should have been sent home. - Yeah. - I'm proud of her that she wanted to stay, but she also should have been sent home. Right. It's like, it is kind of a having at both ways,

situation. - To wrap up the Orlando story, which is by known means like, done done or it might be. - Yeah. - Actually, but like Robby talking loudly in the middle of the ED about how he thinks Mr. Diaz wanted to try to off himself, Dana catch a game.

And later, chewing him out about it. - Yeah. - Or to back it up even slightly, the fact that Orlando's wife Laurie has shown up

on a wear that he even left in the first place.

- Like, she was just bringing him dinner. - Yeah.

“- I think there's something especially hard”

to bring about that and the fact that Mohan is the one to receive her and has to break the news. - But I will say that like, when Perletell's her that Orlando's wife is there, like, Mohan, like, get, like, is it not like, oh, it shouldn't be?

Or like, whatever, she's just sort of like, okay, let me be the one to intercept her. - Right. - That's right. - The Robby Dana's stuff touches a lot of different storylines. - I like that.

This is a conversation that much like many of the cases in the ED, like, spills out across multiple episodes. It does not make sense that this would have been like wrapped up after their non-resolution conversation last week at all.

- No. - So, like, I anticipate this will continue for the rest of the season, two more episodes. But I like their, I love, I love when she calls him out, she's like, you know, you shouldn't talk about patients out on the floor like this.

And she's like, y'all almost got taught, he's like, but I did like the overshoulder, like, yeah, but it didn't, like, just feels very real. They're dynamic. And we watched them be rocks for each other

last season. Dana was so concerned about Robby less season. Oh, she is this season, but this season, she has sort of, like, fewer spoons in her own drawer. - Right. - To offer him tenderness.

And she's just sort of like, get your shit together, man. - It's a tougher love for sure. - Right. I really liked this, what do you think?

“- Yeah, I think the ongoing bickering between them”

has been great. And I think they're both quite wrong about themselves and quite right about each other. Like, for everything we've said about Robby and his Marta complex and it's addressed overtly

in this episode, Dana is putting a lot on her shoulders, too. - So you get to go the extra mile in the rest of us to get accused of being martyrs? - He's not wrong in this case.

- And we just talked about Dana, maybe just like pulling a double

to cover for Leigh had to be able to go home.

“And it's like, these all come from very good places, right?”

Of wanting, in Dana's case, wanting to look after somebody else and give them a break, but the result is now probably Dana at minimum has to find a replacement on a holiday at night. - I will say, though, and I agree.

I agree with you, that they're wrong about themselves and write about each other a hundred percent agree. And this is great shit that the pit can be capable of. Think about Dana's behavior over the day. We did see her sort of like, she's very sensitized

to violence against, or since she should be, when that patient grabs Emma's arm. And then, of course, in the codehulu moment. So I'm not saying that Dana has like all of her stuff in order, she's not taking it out

on everyone else the way that Robbie is. You know what I mean? The way that he is, they're both traumatized here,

not on their best behavior.

Dana, I think, is much more functional inside of that dynamic than Robbie is today, I think. - I think functional is where I might push back a little bit. I agree with you that she's not taking it out on other people in the same way.

But if you're walking around all day with a locked-and-loaded syringe of like a sedative, that means you're looking for trouble around every single corner. - No, a part of me that thinks they all should have that in my pocket.

- She may not be entirely wrong. Clearly, this is a very dangerous place to work, but I'm just thinking about the baseline anxiety level. Or somebody who feels the necessity to do that.

“- Well, I think everyone needs therapy personally.”

So we'll say, all right, as my kid, Grady, who comes in, we get a lot of information about Medicaid being cut because of a male-forwarding era and I think it's time. - Yeah, dev, you want to cue that thing up for us?

- Yeah. (dramatic music)

♪ Let it out with the be ♪

- I mean, classic Medicaid conversation, information, dumped from the pit. - My clerical error, no less. - Right, right, a male-forwarding error. But also like the DS is she finds herself in a space

where she's just like, I'm a hairstylist, I don't have like, you know, steady pastubs. My money comes and goes in terms of qualifying for her help, she's screwed in several ways. This case is also here to show Dr. Henderson's extreme competence,

which we get all episode, bear in mind that the night shift is quite fresh on the shift, and then Dr. Langdon fucking up and freaking out about his fuck up, his, oh, yeah. - He was intubate anything that moves right now.

I mean, Frank clock out, I think you can be done for today. - Yeah, that's time, I think. - At least go do some scanning. - But I just think that like, male offering him that support,

and hit me like, well, Robby's in writing me all day. True, what did you think was gonna happen? But her being like, Robby's leaving. You just have to make it through one day. - You can leave a couple hours.

- You can leave right now. - It's true. - And then that probably's done for you. - Imagine that. - But also her very emotionally being like,

Robby's leaving. Robby who's so famous that Becca knows who Robby is. - True. - The famous Dr. Robinage, I don't want you to leave, too, right? A beautiful moment.

- It is a beautiful moment. I would say like philosophically Joe, do you identify more as a Nietzsche or a Kelly Clarkson? - Yeah, I think so much for asking. I'm a bit more Nietzsche than I am, Kelly Clarkson.

How about you? - I think I might be more Kelly Clarkson. - Yeah, I think I might be more Kelly Clarkson. But this is a follow-up to season one Mel King, just do thing herself with pop music is a pretty great one, too, I think.

- I'm down for any of those montages they want to hit us with. Her what, Mel walking home at the end of every shift, I know she has to pick up Becca sometimes for like, not today. Just throw in the ear buds, you know, whether it's Megan,

whether it's Kelly, whatever we got going, I'm down for it. - And then, Grady, thinking Dr. Lington, right? I was really scared, thank you. And this is once again underlines what Whitaker will say to Ogilvie, which is like being there for people

on their worst day.

“- Hey, that's what this show was about, right?”

That's the theme of the show. But I thought that was a really beautiful moment. - I like this one even more just because of the complexity of it. - Right, I mean, Whitaker just said the thing which we sometimes do not like that the pit does,

or sort of like, hey, did you know the pieces of our show as we're here for people on the worst day of their life? But more nuanced than what way do you wanna say? - Well, I just wanna say that Lington is receiving a thanks for something that he feels he did not do, right?

Like, he did not say, he tried to do something, and wanted to do something very dangerous. - He did do something. - Absolutely, yeah. - But I'm saying, like, he's clearly feeling so conflicted

and heavy in the moment about the risks that he was willing to take 'cause he didn't know about the collapse long. And to me, that's why when Grady does say thank you, he almost doesn't know what to say.

And it's Mel who sort of accepts it on their behalf. - I sort of, I read that a little differently. I hear what you're saying, but like, I read it a little more like, I did do something, which was like emotionally help this kid,

even if I had the wrong idea about what to do.

- It was a team effort.

- You know, he was there at the initial intake of Grady

and just sort of was bustling around in a way that emotionally made Grady feel better, even if it was Dr. Henderson's a finger and his ribcage that really sort of saved the day there. So I could have lived without seeing that.

Okay, wrapping up, oh, well, let's talk about what a criminal, so we've been sort of expecting this all season, like, again, our expectation of the pit now is that they're gonna present us with a character we don't like,

and then force us to confront the ways in which we do like them before the shift is over. - Yep. - And so, oh, we'll be being the absolute inhuman worst and then meeting--

- Okay, then my best light exaggeration. He's not a serial killer. - He might be. I don't know that he's not. He said some shit that we were like, come on,

would it, wouldn't even the worst person say that and then-- - The tact is not great. - And then we got many emails from people being like, actually, yes.

- But he's emotional bond with Mr. Green

and then just sort of like, would occur to discover him and giving him the grace of-- - Yeah. - Giving him advice that he received in season one and giving him the grace of you don't even have

to go back in there. I mean, I think he-- I presume his keys in his wallet are in his locker, so I think he should have to go back in there, but let's just assume they're not

and he could just walk home or something like that. I don't know, but I thought this is all lovely moment. - Yeah, I could see him being-- - Yeah, I could see him being Joe, one of the people rides around on one of those like motorized

UNicycles. Do you know what I'm talking about? - Abs, yes I do, absolutely not. - You don't think he would ride on one of those? - A motorized, you, OGLEVY?

- Yeah. - No. - Oh, he has that energy to me. - No, no. - They could, like, he might roll up one leg of his pants

and get on a bike, but still, I presume he locked that bike

“and he needs the key to that locker for his locker.”

So I have some questions about that, but-- - I didn't love this exchange over all. And you're right, it is a little like, let's just say all the stuff out loud. And in particular, I mean, people die

and we do the best we can, but people die is about as much of a thesis statement for the show as you could make. - I think I like being here for people on the worst day of their lives.

Hey, that's the show. - Also his. But I think you need all of it, right? Like you need the being there for the people on the worst day of their lives.

And I think most critically, what makes the pit the pit is like, you need people who are trying their best. And it's like they're wrong, they're misguided, they're driven by ambition, they're driven by the dynamics of the room, whatever it is.

But the earnestly trying is what, to me, separates like a lot of medical dramas from other workplace dramas, right? There's the infighting and stuff doesn't often come at the expense of patient care.

At least, indirectly, we are, hopefully, ideally. But like we're trying to save this person's life in an urgent situation, usually that's just like, we gotta get this blood pressure in a control. We gotta get this heart rate going, like whatever it is.

And the fact that you can be trying your best and lose people no matter how good your best is. That's good television, it's good drama. It's gonna wet occurred to tell us what to look for in terms of the framing of the show.

“- Well, keep around Duke, we get a diagnosis, right?”

That he is a textbook aortic ascending aneurysm 50% when your mortality, not just the diagnosis, but also the prognosis. So something to watch, it's a bad diagnosis. We'll see how Robby handles it.

But like, I assume that this will be a conversation that is not just related to Duke's future, but also Robby's future and him going on this trip at all. - I mean, this is the whole point to me of the conversation he's having about trying to get

Duke fast-tracked into surgery, right? He wants to get everything in order before he leaves, because he might not come back. And that includes getting his friend who's a little hesitant to get medical care

into surgery, basically not like before he can walk it back.

- You alluded to the detective duo of Robbie and Perla, but Robby here is here on the case with Dr. Alhashimi, right? - Yeah, you're unbelievable. - Pulling some air out to ask her about this is like one thing.

Him like asking her how long did you work with Dr. Alhashimi at the VA or whatever, while they're working on our lando is, again, - This man has a drill in his skull. And you're like, this is the time?

- Not the time. He confronts her, she brushes it off, but I assume we're gonna, this is all gonna come to a head in the next two episodes. - I mean, he's just looking for literally any reason to not leave.

And so he has drummed up one, and the fact that he can be suspicious of Dr. Alhashimi of all people, I mean, just makes it that much easier. - Sunburn bikini babe as our new like furry, is that a big fan of, I suggest a drinking game.

Take a shot.

“I think preferably a red, right, or blue,”

jello shot at any time you see the sunburn victim walk back and forth in the frame. - But not red, white, or blue magnetic jewel. - No, don't do this. - No, don't do this.

- That's just the jello shots. Someone compared, someone, I think in our comments, compared to, are you where the llama Lincoln show girl bit from SNL? - No.

- This is from like the very beginning of SNL's history. I run article on eight years ago, but like that in the background of a lot of not a lot, but occasionally in the background if you are, if they're filming the hallway, like in the hallway offset,

in the background you will see someone dresses Lincoln,

and it's just sort of like a visual gag that they have used since the 70s on SNL. So I like the idea of like the furry,

and the sunburn bikini babe and like let's think of a third one

as there's gotta be a good one. - The llama Lincoln show girl of the pit. - Yeah. - I'm the big fan of that. - If you have a finished tour at Tic-Tecto,

please do be as Spotify.com, please. - On our last case before we get to this sort of casting, spoiler that you want to talk about is, it's Sarah Wiley is no Wiley's wife. - It sure is.

- As Ashley Davis, and I just have to say, as someone who lives in crunchy northern California, for another week in crunchy northern California, and hangs out with a lot of crunchy northern California people. - Yep.

- My pal and I were watching this episode together were like, this is a supplements issue. Like a media, or maybe this is what this, not that it was too narrow, necessarily, but we were just sort of like,

this chick who's like, I'm a vegan. And we were like, this is a supplements issue. McCay coming to, sound doesn't being like, you're great

with your great figure out the weird stuff.

And I thought scientists is like, - I actually say that about you, Joe. - Oh, do you? - Yeah, thanks. - If I needed someone to crack the real weird stuff,

I feel like I would bring it to you. - Well, I just look at the online trends, just think about what the stupidest thing that someone could do and like assume that they've done. But I loved,

scientists is like very casual, like, oh yeah, sleep maxing. Oh sure, cold room, my mask, I mean, honestly, the way she described it,

“I was like, I think I might be asleep maxed there, perhaps,”

but I don't take too much. So it's okay. - You're getting those numbers up, though. - Cold room? - Yeah.

- We've already, you and I've already talked about I masks, and now we're gonna enjoy them, white noise. - I guess I'm unintentionally sleep maxing my own problem just getting like five hours of sleep maxing.

- Your white noise is like whatever's playing on the door.

- Don't worry about it. - The Ravi style light noise, anyway. So, scientists being both good at diagnosing and too caustic for Dr. McKay. - Yeah.

- Is she the Dr. Gregory house of this show? - Wow. - I'm put it together, but kinda. - Terrible bedside manner, really good at the weird stuff. - Really good at the weird stuff, yeah.

- Yeah. - This is the part of Santos, too, that you just, like, can't defend. I can justify and explain a lot of what she does. - This part, like. - But she's both really good at something.

And then, like, horribly dim view of humanity side by side. That's the Santos bro, you know? - But I think she crosses within this conversation the line from, like, healthy cynicism to, like, outright hostility.

And to me, it's the difference between, what's the stupidest thing a person could do and I assume they did?

“Like, that, I think it's, like, good cynicism for a doctor.”

- Then she keeps going. - Yeah, the, like, she did it because she's a big, fucking idiot. - Yeah, and Cassie's, like, okay, yeah. - You're slowly back away from this conversation.

- I'm a shade at an art gallery to get to, okay. - I think, especially, like, because this case supplements in all, our lady in turmeric, like, she's trying to be healthy, right? She's taking information from sources she probably shouldn't.

- This is not any better than Dr., than, like, measles mom, I think. Like, no, it's better. - I think that's, that's an unfair comparison. - I don't know, it's about, like, googling shit

and feeling like you know better than medical experts. - That's fair, but I feel like we're all trying to hastily research with the time that we have in our lives. The best medical and health related information

we can find. And so inevitably, your wires are gonna get crossed. And Santos even says, like, the resources you would check it against are mostly toxic waste dumps right now. - Right, well, yeah, you don't go, well, see, yeah,

living out with the pit, you don't go on the CDC website, I guess. But also, like, you don't just go on Reddit and be like, everyone's drinking turmeric tea, I guess, the more turmeric the better, like, anyway. Great performance in sort of John Diss make up from Sarah.

- Well, yeah, fine. - Okay, last but not least, to wrap things up, we're gonna talk about this casting spoiler. There's some casting news that Rob does not want to poison

your minds with if you've somehow avoided it. So leave, leave, leave, leave, if you haven't left already.

“- Seriously, like, I think this is a big deal”

if you are not plugged in on this stuff. - Okay. - You want to go for it? - I would like to disclose, post spoiler, leave if you are so inclined.

- Yeah. - There's this report today from Variety, a double scoop that Ayjah Harris who plays Ellis is gonna be a full-time cast member for season three. We love to hear it.

The trade-off, it's a pre-agnesh, plays Mohan, not going to be in season three. We'll be departing the show. Obviously, there's been a lot of story related trail leading to this point.

We have been bread crumbed all throughout this season. We were hoping for like a resurgence for Mohan, but it might just be a complete flame out from her. - Just straight off the cliff into geriatric or whatever. Or maybe out of medicine, honestly.

Like she's had such a day. - I have not. - I mean, you could see a lot of potential outcomes for her. There's a lot of waste, like Parsons read the news, but how did it hit you, Joe?

- Ayjah Harris who we love is Dr. Ellis. I'll start there. She wrote her Instagram. Dr. Ellis got student loans to pay off. We got her work at double shift.

Been wanting to share this news for a while now. And then she also shouted out Supria in her post. And she said to quote, "My girl, thank you for being a real one from day one." So love to Supria Ganesh is leaving and joy from Ayyshah Harris

and being, and we love Dr. Ellis.

I do reason eyebrow.

I don't think it's a coincidental double scoop for them

to be like, "Hi, another woman of color is leaving us out." But don't worry, we've already filled her in with a different woman of color. So one in one out, don't worry about it. - It's a little messy.

- Not my faith. But something that we've been talking about in a lot of our listeners in the medical community have written in about this is that the nature of a teaching hospital is that even if Samira did not have the worst day

of her life, like, these people rotate in and rotate out all the time, the critters of the pit of talk about this is an opportunity to introduce new people. Every, you know, we get joy and ogle beer here this season as our new men's students.

So like, and I've been a little worried about that. I'm like, "How can they bend the plot to keep so many "of our favorites around when the-- - How long can we keep these high schoolers "and high schoolers?" - Right, exactly.

I don't want, say, by the Bellicology. So like, this is just gonna happen.

I'm sad that it's happening this way for Samira

seemingly on like a note of defeat and not a, I'm excited to go do a fellowship in X, Y, Z. Presumably we'll get another, just like with Dr. Collins a season, presumably we'll get another, like, in-passing recap of what happened to Dr. Mohan,

who left the ED, but I bummed, we loved her. We'd be talking all season about how much we love her. We love this character. But also, I had actually seen some speculation earlier in the season from the fandom that surprised specifically.

And there's a couple of other people, like, Sean Hadice, or Patrick Ball, there's a couple of people who have like started to pop elsewhere in their career because of the pit. And so they might be better primed

in some of the other actors to want to look elsewhere. - Sure. - You know, like, Kathana Linasa is not gonna be looking around 'cause she's winning Emmys for playing nurse Dana. But if you're on like a big ensemble cast

and you're superior in a national one of the most beautiful women alive and very talented, like perhaps you're like, hey, there's some, you know, and she's- - Maybe you can watch your own pilot. - You know, she and Patrick Ball are both doing a lot

of stage work, you know, so like, maybe this is a good thing for her career, but I'm bummed about it personally. Like I'm not happy about it. - I'm absolutely briefed. Like, Mohan's one of my favorite characters on the show.

“And I think it's just a great, fully realized version”

of a person working in the setting. And Supria, I just think it's done a really wonderful job with her. So I get it, I hate it, thanks. - Thanks.

- Unfortunately for all involved, especially me and Supria Ganesh. - But this is not to say, we're thrilled that Aisha Harris is gonna be here in more serious fashion.

I'll be curious to track other, so what that tells me, especially her post about like working in double shift. Like, so it sounds like it's not just, Dr. Ellis is moving to the day shift with that- - I'd be able to metaphor it. - Maybe, you know.

- Maybe, but Dr. Ellis, being there on a double tells us that we're not getting, probably not getting pit nights, even though we had wondered if maybe we would. - It's probably true.

- Chris, on the watch float of this idea of like, what if we start the shift five hours later, so we get just like more of the night shift, especially given like two new members of the night shift that we met inside of this episode.

So we get like, even more time, which on had to see, I'm certain that the fandom would love that. But that means less time with Dr. Mill King, or Dr. Langdon, or whoever else your favorite might be. - It's true.

- But I do feel like, in this episode, as a testament to it, some of the best episodes of the pit are the change over episodes. And some of that is just that you're getting

these people who are haggard and depleted of energy interacting with new elements

for the first time in hours.

So if we shift that to mid-season, I wouldn't be opposed to,

“I think it could be an interesting construction.”

- I will say like comparing like Javati's hair, Tina, like your Mateos, whose curls are Christmas, fashion ready to go, so- - His curls are just that way all the time, I feel. - That's true.

- All right, anything else you want to hit? - That we have it. - I did have one more thing I wanted to hit about Dr. Conley and her introduction to the show, just because, I mean, I love everything

about that sequence with Javati, and specifically using Javati as a counterpoint, who has been on top of her game. We know she knows her stuff. And from the second Dr. Conley walks in the room,

it's like Javati needs a translator. Like Robbie and Ellis are having to like decipher what she's saying in a way that, obviously there's hierarchy in the pit, everyone's reporting to Robbie on the floor, et cetera, et cetera.

I just walked through the whole frickin' org chart for the night shift, so hopefully you understand that, but like there's a hierarchy to the medical specificity of knowledge happening here. I thought was like a really cool dynamic to bring in the room,

and specifically for some like Javati, who knows so much to be just completely lost, and even trying to keep up with conversation. - I think it's, yeah, I love that, but I also just like like the introduction of Park The Shark,

like let's bring in these various specialists, like it's quite, it's quite fun to say. - The heavy hitters. - Yeah, the heavy hitters. - That's been the 7pm hour on the pit to where hours to go.

Devastated, the season's almost over. - I know.

“- I could take the pit all year round honestly, so, you know.”

- Don't throw us to the good time. Night shift, and back to the day shift, and apparently the medium shift, you know. I think we have lots of variations we can hit. - Absolutely, thank you to Devon Aldo for filling in

Thank you to everyone here who's here at Sikomore.

It's a whole crew, we're big fans. We love you guys so much.

“- Thank you, Rob Mahoney. - Thank you, Joe.”

- Thanks to our listeners, keep those emails coming.

We'll see you next week. Bye. (upbeat music)

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“- It's just over the street, and then it's hot.”

- No, not at all. - It's so hot, it's so my safe space. - Mm, do you think it's all secure? - Yeah, exactly. This street is like this street app

that you just understand. Egalobstudium, job or unzug. - Costume. - Cras. - It doesn't feel like it's expensive.

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