‘The Pitt’ Season 2, Episode 7: The Night Shift Starts Early

- Hello, welcome back to the first to you, Steve.

Podcast speed, I'm Joana Robinson. - I'm Rob Mahoney. - It is one PM in the ER. - And that one, the night shift starts. - Well, apparently, I do know that we're still waiting

on pizza for Baby Jane Doe. - Yes.

“- I do know that that's what's going on.”

- Sorry, so who was that for? - Baby Jane Doe. - And we did get a repeat day and a line read in this episode. - Exactly.

- Do you think they were conscious of it in real time? I clearly, it's become a phenomenon. - I think, I forget which actor it was, but one of the younger actors in the show says the first time they heard her say it,

they were in the background of the shot and they were having trouble not cracking up. - How could you not? - One of my favorite, actually, one of my favorite

little interview clips I saw in this last week

was, well, a couple of things. E.C. Brownis said, "Who play Santos?" said that she was in the background of the shot where Mel King gets got knocked over by the Boba Bandit and she's like, "You can't put me in that shot

"because of Santos had seen that she wouldn't chase him "down and beat the shit out of him. "You have to take me out of the background of that shot." I was like, "I love that." And also, did you see the news that was like circulating

last couple of weeks, maybe,

“that cell phones are not allowed on set?”

And so they have a lending library on set? - This is fantastic. - It's a great idea. - This is really good. This is no whiley doing his best

Christopher Nolan impression. - Oh no, no, no. - No cell phone. I wonder if chairs are allowed. I don't know, but no cell phones are allowed on set.

And my favorite was that they said that one woman, I think it's season one. Oh yeah, it must have been Amy of the farming benefits, had a pregnancy belly and was kept the complete Harry Potter or whatever, like, in her.

- In the belly, the second landing library was her pregnancy belly. - Thanks, she was just going through all the Harry Potter books. - It's so funny. - Anyway.

- Also, no whiley and now it's, I saw one of those clips that he had been reading Zen in the art of motorcycle maintenance, which-- - He's like, it's the core text for a robbing. - I believe it, really, really good. We even Instagram account.

- We do. - And it's TikTok account. - We do. - Would you like to tell the folks what that is and where they can find it? - They can find it at PrestigeTVPod on both platforms. And they can email us, Joe,

at Dr. [email protected], and always at [email protected].

- We have so many emails to get to. The broccoli defenders are out and for-- - I hope so. - We got a lot of La Croix, sorry, actually, meant the broccoli haters. We got a lot of emails about how bad broccoli smells

in the microwave. I refused to believe it. - Well, I did see people were cooking broccoli in the microwave, which-- - Okay, Roblox. - I'm not sure.

- Some of us grew up in the '80s. I don't say this. - But you live in the 2020s. - Oh, I don't know cook vegetables in the microwave, but my mother used to put vegetables in a little bit of water in a plastic bag

and put it in the microwave. So if you wanna know about microplastics in my body, I'm like 95% microplastic at this point. - I remember there was like a brief fad when I was young, where people found out

that you could put a like snacksize bag of chips in the microwave. And it would like reverse shrink eating. I guess that's real shrink eating. Down to like miniature size.

Of course, you're putting plastic and aluminum foil in the microwave, so it's not ideal. But all of which is to say, whatever microplastics you've ingested, I've inhaled. You know, we all got here together.

And someday we will die with lots of plastic in our system. - The generations are thriving, what can we say? We'll be good to the emails. Roblox did you like this episode of television? - I thought this was the best episode of the season so far.

- I love it. - It's just like everything that the pit can be for me, which is in particular juggling wave after wave of chaos, like rippling through the ED, as we have a holiday with a heat wave stacked on top of it

with all these diversion stacked on top of it and now like an incoming blackout. - Yeah. - That I'm sure what cause even more chaos. And then counterpoint, this like incredibly still,

incredibly delicate, incredibly painful portrayal of what comes next for a sexual assault. - Yeah. - Survive her. We were curious, I'm so curious about some of the characters

and what their plotlines are gonna be. We got maybe an indication that Mel King's that Mel's sister, you know, if she's not feeling well, odds are she's probably gonna wind up at the hospital, at some point in the season.

Hopefully something very mild, but like, but I mean, I don't think they have that phone call if she's not gonna show up at some point at the hospital this season. - What if it's just to end the season

“with both them watching fireworks and eating ice cream?”

Could it be those with their headphones on? I love that for them. But we were wondering about Dana and sort of like what sort of, you know, other than instructing Emma, which is like very important in being a boss bitch,

which is very important like what is going to be one of her bigger storylines this season. And I thought this episode, we'll talk about that storyline. Probably at the end of our discussion today

to talking about microwaving vegetables or whatever, the case may be. But I thought that was really, really good. Really, really handled really, really well.

“And I think everyone had something interesting”

to do this episode. - Yes. - The furry force we'd mentioned furries in last episode, it went out on social media, broke a little bit of containment I would say on social media as well.

Anthrocon being the event of the season in Pittsburgh. We got a lot of emails from folks in Pittsburgh about this thing and they're like, oh, you have no idea how big of a deal this would is.

Melissa said that the Conbrings in $20 million

to the city every year. - Wow. - That's incredible. - If we don't want things about furries, like those suits are not cheap.

- These are people who are willing to spend for their hobby and we support it. - They don't have to spend. Melissa said the businesses surrounding the West in Pittsburgh hotel often have posted furry specials.

And it's not unusual to see giant animals out and about in restaurants at pirates games and just hanging out at the karaoke bar. - True. - It's not really fun.

Should we go to Pittsburgh and July next year? - I think we're obligated to make these merch. - Maybe season finale for this season of the pit. - Okay, well, it's still be happening in July. And it'll feel that way.

(laughing) - Spotify sent us to FurryCon. Also, our listener Matt sent us a really harrowing story about the bedbug at an epidemic during anthrocon.

Just because bedbugs are an issue, but especially when you're walking around with a fur suit.

“And he said, quote, you have to kill bedbugs”

with high heat, like highest setting on your dryer for at least half an hour. Something very difficult to do with fur suits and especially the heads. - So, what do you do?

- He didn't have any solutions, he just presented problems. So, you know, something, well, Matt did volunteer to send us tips and tricks on how to avoid bedbugs when we say it hotels, so maybe he'll follow that.

- I'll take that. - On the sort of cross-contamination front. Our listener Emoreena Rodin to say her partner is in paramedic, and his biggest glove pet peeve on the pit is when the providers cross their arms

and hold their bicep area with the gloves on. This is the Dr. Robbie Special. - Yes. - She said, "Doctors, side bangs, McKay, Robbie, and being the most common offenders."

I can like see Robbie doing it. It's, they're constantly on the fleece constant. - That is true. - Cross-contamination, how do you feel about that? I mean, I don't think this is bad as the poop glove

on the curtain, which was the inciting incident for this-- - That was a problem. - That was a problem. - I think most of the time, look, it's in the preliminary stages of the examination.

It's not a contamination issue so much as like, they're putting on gloves to protect themselves from whatever they're about to touch. Like from that perspective, hands-on bicep doesn't seem as bad. But yeah, if you're taking a sample

that needs to be tested in any way, we've got huge problems. Especially, Robbie is doing it mostly.

“I think just as part of his like rumpled persona.”

- Yeah, he's like paternal vibes, sort of thing. - Dr. Bengs, I mean, a little more sass to be honest with you, so look out.

- I think it's a critical part of her energy.

It's just hard to put a finger on exactly which part of it it is. - Fun fact, we did get clarification of what condiment hoarding is. Do you feel like you understand it based on the emails?

- Well, we've got many different potential explanations, but I think the most convincing one and what I'm sort of like guilty of is when you receive condiments through takeout or something else, putting it in your fridge, putting it into bin,

putting it in like some collection or container, and then you just amass all these packets that you probably will never use, but how could I throw away a packet of like, Chick-fil-A buffalo sass, you know?

- Okay, is it a drawer situation? Do you have a drawer of like, soy sauce, hot sauce, et cetera? - I don't. But there is a section of my fridge

that has been kind of sub-designated for it now, because the OCD and me won't allow them to run free and also won't allow me to throw them away, but also I lack the follow-through to actually use them. - Follow question is this, is it a, is it a,

a Tupperwork container, is it like a, where we're going to be like, I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah. - I just bought a bigger bin, refrigerator bin from the container store, one of my favorite places on earth. - I knew this.

(laughing) - And it's used to contain butter, yogurt, other things, and at the front, there's just like a little portion section for here's where the sauce is go. - Okay, so it's like a general dairy situation.

- Plus sauce. - That I will never use. - Okay, great. - Are you not guilty of this? Do you not hoard sauces?

- I don't. - I mean, it must be nice to be perfect. (laughing) - I just think that like, they just, like, sauces, napkins, utensils,

or whatever, the accutermal that come and take out, they just sort of accumulate in the drawer and then like, you're right. - All hold on to the napkins, the napkins

'cause they can always have a use.

- Sure. - But other things, they have to go. Use them or lose them. That's how I feel. - It's very wise of you.

I wish I had that level of, I guess, restraint in not keeping them in the first place, but I am who I am. - Would you say your multi-use container store, situation in your fridge,

is the hottest piece of storage you have in your fridge

- Like, do you have one of those things

“that where you put your various lacroy cans,”

like a dispenser sort of situation? - Most of those I find pretty useless. Even like, you can buy like plastic bins for your eggs. It's like, why are we taking the eggs out of the carton and putting them into a bin?

- I'll tell you what I do. - Please. - I take them out of the carton and I put them in a bowl. - Why?

- 'Cause then you can reach in the fridge and grab the eggs you need rather than having to open the thing every time. - But they could also break more easily, potentially.

- But they never have yet.

- All right. - So you refuse to live one flap to get an egg. - Yeah. - All right. - There's no need to do it every time.

- I gotta say this is even more and comprehensible than putting them in an egg bin of some kind. Just a loose bowl. - They're like a bunch of lemons.

- It's kind of, yeah, it's like kind of an aesthetic thing. - I mean, that it is. - It's like fetching, you know? - Are you maybe French? - Are you like a farmhouse style person?

- Well, I don't know. Farmhouse is about rep these days. It's very live-loved. And I don't think I'm like that kind of thing. - Not trying to put you in that bucket,

but you know. - Exactly. - All right, Dr. Sarah was talking about, we were talking about Dr. Mohan and her patient last week who was again sort of like looking for her this week,

the elderly patient, who she runs, the de-dimer test for, you know, every few months or something like that, or once a month, whatever it was. And I was, we were talking about how this idea

to like managing anxiety. But our listener, Sarah, who is a doctor, said, "Actually, we try to discourage patients from coming in and getting like needless tests because it actually ratch its up there anxiety."

And we try to manage it in a different way. She said, "This case seems kind of isolated and consistent and the guy goes on his merry way." And he's fine, so she's not critiquing Samira in this case, but this is what she said as part of a larger email.

“I think a really important role in medicine,”

and Dr. Sarah says not to tuted my own horn, but for primary care in particular, is just to be there for the patient, acknowledge that they are suffering, validate their symptoms without necessarily pulling the trigger

on an evaluation we know is going to be useless. And I just wanted to say to Dr. Sarah and all of the primary care physicians out there, or whoever. In my early 20s, I went through,

I don't know if I ever told you this, that I thought I had some sort of like her condition and I didn't, but I went to, you know, urgent care a couple times and like asked them to, 'cause I was like, something was going on,

I was like not able to sleep, it was this whole thing. And I think like the third or fourth time I went in, this like kindly country doctor sat me down and he was like, has anyone ever talked to you

about the way anxiety manifests in the body? I was like you was so nice about it, but he was just like, you're in your early 20s. You don't have a hard problem.

Let's talk about this, and then I never had that problem again.

I just needed someone to like listen to me. That's incredible. Validate my like physical experience, then just be like, but this is a mental condition. I was like, oh, also, so, you know.

This is the reason you and I are not doctors, 'cause when we were talking about this, it seemed reasonable to us to like, oh, alleviate this man's anxiety with this test. Dr. Sarah Riley points out,

what if you didn't treat the symptoms and instead treated the root cause? Or at least like try to prevent the exacerbation of it, but I'm with you that ultimately, if you could just have a kindly country doctor in your life

who can sit you down and talk to you about anxiety, that seems like the best case solution for everything. I was my favorite. He was the best. He's like, you remind me of my daughters,

and I was like, great, okay, tell me more. Speaking of sort of how you would want to be treated, our listener Blair asked, in an email where Blair was a bit defending Olga V, not my favorite thing that anyone's ever done,

that's fine. But Blair was asking who we would most want to treat us where we admitted at the pit. - Great question. Do you have an answer?

Do you have a go-to? - I think I would want Mel King. I think that's kind of energy I would really respond to in that situation, 'cause Mel is like friendly, but also just like incredibly analytical,

and just a very calming presence, I think. So that would be my next thing. - I think I might pick Samir Mohan for the same reason. - Yeah. - I think once you get up into,

for one, if you get into the attendings, they're just constantly being pulled away from you at all times. So you want someone who's a little lower down who can actually spend time listening to what you need.

And a lot of the characters that I love on this show,

like I love Santos, her bedside man or is it always the best?

“That's why I find her to be a compelling character.”

- I think she sings to you, Rod. - Well, I've mixed feelings about a showtune, but I can be serenaded. - I know, I'm willing. - This is why I will never be best friends with us, okay?

Jeff, who works on this show allegedly, I did look his name up, I went through a whole thing. I believe that Jeff is on the up and up that he works on. - His credentials are legit.

- I couldn't quite find him an IMDB, but there was a Jeff Windsor on IMDB who also worked on everything everywhere all at once, and this is also hot dog related. So I choose to believe it's the same guy.

He said, "Thanks, this is to you. "Thanks for the hot dog, mom, it's shout out. "If only you knew how many tests "and how many hot dogs and buns I had to break up,

"It was tedious." And then Jeff defends LaCroyberry flavor, and that's tough, look for Jeff, but anyway, great work, Jeff on the hot dog comment. And thanks for writing in.

- It really was beautiful in its way. - Like a very specific hue of pink tan that can only be replicated by hot dogs. So the authenticity matters, I think. - It's been a very test, we're doing here at the pit,

and we love it. Last but not least, Nicholas had a response about our question about milking screen time. And I confessed I'm not entirely convinced by his answer here, but he did send his deadline link.

That was about sort of the pay scale structure on the pit. - Yeah. - Did you see this?

So basically this is, it's a bit unusual how they did this,

but basically when they put out the casting call for the show, they basically put out the roles at various tears per episode, which is an unusual way to get paid. And so it's like, Noah Wiley makes whatever Noah Wiley makes a bajillion who knows.

And then it's like 50K per episode for some and 35K an episode for someone else is something like that. And given the high number of episodes, that's a low rate, not for you and me, but for actors and Hollywood, it's kind of a low rate,

but given how many episodes of the pit there are every season, it adds up. But you can decide, I don't know what that means. In terms of like, do you get paid a flat 50K if you're, let's say, milking

and you're predominantly featuring the episode or you're milking and you're just like background in an episode? - Yeah. - Are those rates different?

I don't know if it's per episode. It seems like, like, sag rules shouldn't be different. - So then that doesn't really explain to me why Mel is like, so background this season. - Yeah, there must be, I mean,

I would think there's such a clearly articulated line between like regular and extra or on-screen presence and extra or like background player.

“But I think this episode is a great example”

for Mel's case where she has kind of like two moments, I think overall like this call with her sister and an exchange with Robbie, did she pop up anywhere in the episode and like a really present way? - I would say in the scene so after Langdon,

oh, this is true, she is in with Langdon. - She's in with Langdon when he's like really floundering with Robbie and she's kind of trying to save his life. - Handholding him out of the thing, you're right. So she is a little more present in this episode

than I gave her credit for. But the deposition is coming and I would think that might be a clear out for Mel

kind of like third of the episode,

kind of plot line when it does come. - Yeah, I mean it'll depend again if we're going like wherever the deposition is being held because presumably it's not like trauma room five, so like...

- What if it is? - What if it's just over a coma toast patient or like over mid-surgery, you know? - All right, so let's get into the episodes. Episode seven, to set the scene is boiling hot in chairs.

People are fanning themselves with patient passports. There's a cooling room set up that's Langdon's idea. Robbie has to begrudgingly give him credit for that. Great, he hates to do it. It's boiling hot, Rob Money.

Do you know why is boiling hot? - Why is that? - 'Cause Dr. Jack Abbott has arrived, yeah, fan yourself with that patient passwar buddy. Every ounce of a cab left my body.

(laughing) - This is a good start. - Abbott comes in when his pals. I took me, like the third time watching through the caption, to understand that his like the guy

that they're working on his name is Hero, and he's calling him Hero with a knife. - Hero with a knife and a capital H, and I was like, 'cause when he was calling me Hero with a low K stage, I was like, okay, I thought that was a guy's name.

- You know, for their show, that's a lie.

“You know, you should see me as a flight attendant.”

- Yep. - Great line. They do this transsected trachea, neonatal thing. All of that happens. - That's fine.

- The throttling trachea. - Yeah. - It's really a visual. Really something, I know that I needed to see, but I guess I did.

- I usually prefer it when it's like a brook that's burbling and not someone's trachea, but we do what we must at the pit, so. - Do you think it's soothing all the same? Like if you just played the sound of the trachea

as your white noise, sleep, noise, sleep sound. - It's a great question, but I think burbling on a tracheal matter also involves weasings, like you can't just have one without the other, so yeah, and the weasings is not soothing at all.

- Agreed.

- Here's the most important thing though.

We get this scene with Samira, right? - We certainly do. - Robbie has a built-for gift only. - That's the second. - Let's just trim it right now.

“- But nook on the our little secret moment”

when she is attending to him shirtless. Here's, I don't know, you let me know about the Huckle Robby thing, and I should let you know that I got served my first organic bit of Huckle Robby content, and it was like an animation,

and it was elaborate, and it was shocking to me. So that's great, and I support it. I support the internet. - No wonder what was animated, but I don't wanna know, I don't think. - But Samira, Mohan and Abbott

has been like one of the key fandom ships since season one. I went back and watched something like there are many

of action at season one.

“- I think I need one, because we got some emails”

to this effect earlier in the season, wondering if Abbott was gonna come back and specifically to interact with Samira? - Yeah. - I think I just kind of like miss this or got lost

in the sauce of like all of the pit-fest trauma, and they didn't quite clock their relationship. - At least the fan-edited version of it. - Here's why, I will give you the download. Here's a key piece of information.

Sean had to see, I think between seasons, dropped the lure on Dr. Jack Abbott that he is a widower. So this is information that we have, that we didn't have before. - Yeah.

- And guys, this is the most important part of the pit.

So we're gonna take some time on it. In towards the end of season one, when he comes in and remember when the pit-fest of kicks off, Abbott has all of his sort of like battlefield sort of like tricks and tips and equipment.

And Samira says, "What else you got in your go bag?" And he says, "Oh, just wait and see." - That is like a- - Okay. - Definitely flirting, sure. - Oh, they have. And then they do this whole thing.

They do this whole procedure and experimental procedure

“that the surgical resident who is even in a worse mood”

than Garcia, if you recall her, at the end of season one, is very, so she's just like yelling at them that they're being irresponsible. - Yes. - Dr. Abbott is coaching Samira through

and he's being very supportive and very like, "You got this solid work, all this sort of stuff like that." And then at the very end, he's like, plus it was too risky of a procedure for me to do. So I'm glad that you did it.

So it's like supportive, but also covering his ass.

Anyway, those crumbs were enough for the fandom.

- I mean, they're like, you know, brought up on Grey's Anatomy and they're like, "If we're not in a hospital, fucking, what are we doing?" - Or did these doctors talk to each other? - Well, but I'm sorry, Rob.

- I mean, this is more than that. - This is the hottest thing a doctor on the pit has done. And it's not, it's not him taking out a shirt. Thanks, Shawn, how to see Jenna's icon

for taking out a shirt. Great, love that for you. It is when Samira is talking about her patient who is gone. - Yeah. - And he's like, get it, get it,

Uber the supplies over. And then he just mutters. While not even looking at her, I'll pay for it. I'll pay for it. I was watching the people, we literally screamed.

(laughing) And we wound it. And I would like to now give you Rob McCown,

the power ranking of the top five hottest moments

that have happened thus far on the pit. - I need them. - Okay. Number five. Season one, episode 15.

Human Utah himself, Mateo, our guy, Mateo, who are missing and we're waiting for. Hands, we're towards the body of beer. And he says, we won't tell your mom. And Gives her like a real sneaky smell.

That's number five. Mateo being number five, that you feel like that's low from Mateo and I agree, but I need him to come back to give me a refresher on what's going on.

- I just feel like between number five and Abbott, I'm just learning a lot about you, Joe. I'm learning a lot about, like the quiet moment of off-hand reassurance, you know? It's doing a lot for you.

- But also a bit of violence in number four. This isn't what episode nine. Dana breaks up a fight in chairs. - Yes. - That's a hot, boss-bitch move.

- For sure. - It's very, very good. Number three, season two episode six, just last week. Dr. Robby snap it off the gloves, grabbing the cell phone, threatening that woman's boss on the phone,

before slashing her leg open. - Well, I was like two weeks ago. - Anyway, Dr. Robby snap it off the gloves, grabbing the phone, that's number three. Number two, also in this episode,

Dr. Ellis guns out, blows an air kiss to Dana. Number two hottest thing that is happening on the hit, really good stuff. - I'm so thrilled that Ellis is back. - Oh my God, delightful.

- And she mentions that, like she's back on shift, at 130. We don't really see her for the rest of the episode. We're just gonna need her constantly through the rest of the season.

- We're just hopeful and like, you know, is she just you wanna wear sleeveless scrubs? I don't know if that's, I don't know,

“but I think I would support it, you know, just saying.”

- I think the patient could respond to it. This has been an unusually horny season from a patient perspective. Everyone is like winking, hating on, like we see in this episode this-

- Fourth of July, but I mean, maybe it's sad. - Fourth of July, everyone's drinking before they get there. - But even this high school kid is like taking a pass at joy, just for the hell of it, I guess. - And she's like, was your, not my, not my type?

Do you feel like joy isqueer, is that what she's saying? - I don't know, but also he's a teenager. So, maybe also that. - Fun fact. - Fun fact.

Number one of bullet, Dr. Gabbett, shirtless, but that's not the point, buttering, I'll pay for it. - He will pay for it. - I mean, incredibly good shit. - Well, that's very good.

- Audible mentioned, and this is the most revealing thing about me, I was like, anyone speaking any other language. So, princess always. - Yes. Hello.

- In this episode, Samira speaking Tamil on the phone. Dr. Lashimi, saying Dr. Zodborder's in French. - Yeah.

Like, it's all, it's all really good shit to me, so.

- It is very good.

“And here's the thing about specifically Samira and Jack Appett.”

Like, they do just have as performers a pretty easy chemistry. So, I see why they would lean into it, at least to the point if having Robbie walk by and gock and, you know, I'm really sure this is like, 'cause remember, and there was like an earlier scene this season

where Noah Wally's like, oh, I wasn't supposed to be in that scene, but I was like, what if Robbie just walks by? I'm pretty sure he's like-- - This is incredible.

- Robbie just walks by. - To me fair, coulda close the door. - Uh, well, he was behind a curtain. She pulls the curtain. - It's true.

- So, Samira coulda close the door, but then that almost makes it seem like more-- - Yeah, you know, if you like pull the curtain and close the door. - It's a great point.

I did more of them together,

but I also just need more of Abit with basically everybody.

His approval rating in the ED is through the roof at this point. - Abit's showing up, like what he does with Samira here is for the fans and for me apparently. - For all the worlds. - For us, for all of us, but him showing up

and like taking a shine to Dr. Alashimi right away,

“I think is really like, we've been sort of trying--”

and I wanna talk about Dr. Alashimi next. But I'm kinda trying to track like, how are you supposed to feel about this character? - Yeah. - And one of our best barometers is the person she interacts

with the most, which is Robby. And so we're trying to parse how we're supposed to feel about her through the lens of how Robby feels about her and we're like, is that an accurate lens to you this person or not?

So I think it matters that Abit comes in and he's like, I mean, she's pretty dope, actually. - It is possible, in fact, to have a normal, non-adversarial relationship with your fellow attending. - It seems like it.

- It does seem like it, but I think Abit has this easy way about him. This is what makes him such a great counterpoint to Robby, 'cause they are both sad boys. They do both end up on the roof at the end of the day.

But Abit is at least in therapy enough to take up interesting new hobbies with the SWAT team. He's like trying to work on himself in a slightly different way than I'm just gonna motor cycle off into the wilderness. - I should all say, yeah.

- Dr. Abit knows that you can get door-dash up to the roof. So, you know, when he goes up to the roof, it's like enjoying his time up there as well. - I don't mean to make this into the mental health Olympics, because if that is the case, no one in the pit is meddling,

like everyone here is in a bad way. - It's true, it's true. - But he is in a similar position to Robby in so many ways. They clearly are a birds of a feather. They have a lot that they bond over,

but their relationships, especially with Dr. Lachimere, just so wildly different. And I think we've seen Robby in his way kind of begrudgingly come to accept and understand Dr. Al, a little bit more over the course of the season.

I'm interested to see how that's tested by her kind of getting called up to consult about this shutdown situation, which even in her reaction shot seems like she didn't necessarily sign up for and is kind of getting blinded.

- It's very pissed that she was like put in the middle of this.

“- And I think her pissed off face is almost like,”

just when I was kind of making some ground with him, because she's like your debrief was lovely at the beginning of this episode about how he sent Lui off at the end of last week, she's being a bit more supported as Santos, you know, inside of this episode.

- Definitely. - Here her say good work a couple times, but I did want to check in with you on this neurodevelopment, right? She calls her Dr. Fair Graves at the Pittsburgh neuroscience group and this seems to be,

it seems to be that she's having episodes, I guess I would say. And I think that explains that weird cliffhanger we had the beginning of the season. - It's true. - She was with Baby Janko and she sort of stared off

into space and we didn't really understand why. - Yeah. - I was talking to our beloved Christopher Ryan and I just want to say that I know I mentioned CR a bunch on our industry part this week.

Basically after talk with Rones, Chris and I have like

a mini-the-watch prestige pod like crossover episode. - Filmmet release it, but people need it. - At the Burista bar, anyway, so we were talking about, we were talking about this neurodevelopment and Chris brought up that like someone like one of their listeners

was asking if we had seen Dr. Alhashimi use her hands this season and any sort of she's often observing, she often walks in actually with her hands behind her back. And I sort of took it as like her, this is her authoritarian stance.

But is there something going on with her hands? We do see her examine Alhanna, the sexual assault survivor, sort of like, you know, very sort of roughly, but we haven't seen her do any like, I think any sort of fine work surgical work with her hands.

I'd be curious if that's incorrect, Dr. [email protected] or [email protected] if we missed something, but if that's the case, like I don't know if this sort of like neurological development is meant to soften us to her or deepen our understanding for her,

but if she is hiding something that impairs her ability to practice medicine, I will have a hard time understanding that as an approach.

but it does, like that idea that impulse is so obviously human.

And it would do some interesting things in terms of the character dynamics, right? Like her relationship with Langdon, for example. Like she as somebody who is hiding something and concealing something that as you say,

would impair her ability to be a good doctor, like maybe she would be increasingly empathetic to what Langdon has been through. - Or her interest in dictation software. - Absolutely.

- There's something going, I mean, again, we haven't seen like tremors or anything like that that I can see and there's a ton of different ways that neurological problems came out of us. So I'm not a neurologist, I'm not trying to diagnose anything,

but like if there is something that she can't do, find or work, like can she still practice medicine, if AI dictation, like actually works, you know, and that could keep her doing the thing

that she loves to do and helping people.

I don't know, it's, it's an interesting question that we obviously don't have the answer to and this is the thing that pit loves to do, which is sort of give us a twist and a turn on a character, we've kind of waiting for what the twist and turn on her is.

We don't have enough information right now, but I was sort of interested to hear how you thought about it.

“- Yeah, I mean, I think the show overall”

has done a good job of giving a lot of comfort to that idea. And some of it is not just, as you say, her wandering into a room and having her hands behind her back, but even just the nature of her and Robby's relationship, he's kind of constantly sending her out.

Like she comes in offering to help and I don't even think this was pointed at her so much, but when he's kind of putting Langden under the gun, I think that was so much more about like, I don't want you to have any help whatsoever inside this room,

I'm gonna grill you on what we should do here,

but he's been doing some version of that all season,

when Dr. Leschimi wanders in, it wants to help and wants to get involved. And so we haven't seen it, and we think it's because of that emotional reaction that Robby is having and him just kind of being a large man,

baby, on the ED floor on a regular basis, but if it's also helping to conceal this other plot line, that feels very TV to me. That does feel exactly the kind of thing the pit would do. - And we do get this sort of,

not parallel plot, but in terms of Jackson Davis, Sister Jada and his parents showed us up inside of this episode, this idea of like hiding medical information from people. - Yes. - Like this, which is associated,

you know, we've talked about this before this idea of like, shame and mental health on the pit and the way in which they're trying to examine that, via Robby or via whoever else, this idea that the Davis family has hidden a part

of their medical history from their kids, vital information that their kids should have out of shame or failing to understand what happened with Uncle Ken, who died by drinking himself to death, but also had seemingly an undiagnosed psychological issue,

perhaps the, this gets a friend of that Jackson's easy to be presenting with. And so that's like an interesting, sort of, um, secondary note underneath what is happening with all this shitty area.

“- And you have to have those secondary notes in these cases,”

I think just with the volume of them that come through the pit, the educational bent of the show overall and wanting to tackle these like very serious, very specific kinds of medical issues and just like topics that come up.

The fact that it's not just about, here are these later developing symptoms of a psychiatric disorder in a college student or a law student. - Right.

- It's also about how we talk about mental illness. It's also about family history. And if that is where Dr. Elishimmy's plot line goes, again, we don't have any idea what's actually going on with her medically just that she is not doctors.

But she is urgently trying to call her doctor. And I do want to point out like, I just love how subbedomography is playing this. - Yeah. - And like, she's been someone who, even though she hasn't

been very hands on as we've been talking about with patients, the intensity of our conversational style, I think makes it so clear these moments where she sort of like blips out and she kind of dissociates or she like her

attention shifts ever so slightly. Like this moment where Javadi is talking to Jackson's parents and she kind of urges Javadi to usher them to the family room, like, yeah, you have the musical cue, but in terms of performance, it really is just

the smallest subtle assault thing.

“And I think she's really nailed that element”

of this character so far. - Yeah, I'll be really curious to see how that develops going forward. In addition to the Davis family, we have Roxie's kids show up and Paul spends much of the episodes sort of saying, do we really need to do what she says

when she's on a bunch of drugs and can't I just take her home? And this is where Robbie does a, it was like a very classic season one, Robbie, like, let me come in and talk to the family members about the, like, Frank realities of the situation here.

Let me talk to Roxie about, like, how disruptive it will be for you to stay here with us, especially on this day of days that we are experiencing, but also to Paul when Paul's like, you know, Robbie almost from, like, across the hallway is like, this is when we most need

to listen to your wife actually. And I really like how, I mean, I don't like it because it is very upsetting, but I really, I love the way that this Paul character is being shaped.

and it's just sort of like, can we not talk about ghosts?

And it's also sort of already kind of parenting his younger brother, when his younger brother's talking about, like, having a gun and his older brother's like, come on guy. So, you know, already having because his dad is full-time caretaking his mom, or not full-time,

but like part-time caretaking his mom, how this 15-year-old kid has had to step up and be another parent inside of this whole entire dynamic. I thought was like, really, again, we've accused the pit of being unsuttle.

I think this is a bit more subtly done. And I think it's just like really, unusual as far as my exposure to medical shows kind of storyline to follow, you know? - I think especially just that kind of comprehensive view

of what it means to listen to somebody in pain. And in this case, it's right, because I think it's so important that, as you talked about Joe, Robby's default setting is, this is a bad idea for you to stay here.

Like, this is not good for your treatment,

for your health, for your rest.

Like, it will be disruptive to borrow your word if you stay in the hospital. And yet, as soon as she says, like, I still wanna do it,

“it's like, well, that's what we're gonna do.”

And I think that's one of those areas where if only reality were quite so simple in all cases in terms of medical care, but the fact that Robby flips from, I feel very strongly, this is a bad idea

to this is what my patient wants. And now I am advocating for them to her husband who's already having a really hard time. Like, that's why we love Dr. Robby, right? Like, that's why this character is so easy to latch on

to even though he can be self-destructive, even though he's jumping down people's throats. It's like, this side of him is in a lot of ways the most appealing and endearing side of him. - I really agree, like, and this is a good,

a really good Robby episode, I thought. - How do you feel about your guy Langden, speedrunning the 12 steps, continued? We should say, he is now taking Louise time in the ED as an opportunity to get his own stuff off his chest.

Unburdened himself to Dana midshift, despite the fact that he knows what she's got going on and everyone's got going on. And taking his moment with Robby to talk over a helicopter landing,

“bringing in a trauma patient who I believe,”

that's the guy who's just been like, cut to shreds by the boat, right? - Right, the jaws, scenarios. - It's like, this is my moment to have a deep emotional conversation that I've been willing to have

and no one else wants to have right now. - Everything you're saying is really reasonable critique of Langden, but we did get a really good email on them. - Okay, I'm eager to hear it.

- This is from Dan, who has gone through the 12 steps and says, "Although every recovery journey is different, most programs and sponsors encourage program participants to work as quickly as possible through the first nine steps to maintain the momentum

and prevent backslide." Steps 10 through 12 are ongoing main in steps. A common framework many sponsors start with is 90 days to make it through the steps. In addition, step 9, making direct demands were possible,

is essential for addicts to let go of long held resentments

and other toxic emotions that help perpetuate the cycle of addiction. As my former sponsor said, "Take your time in a hurry." Secondly, back to Dr. Langden, Langden, he has been recovery for 10 months,

which is a very long time to have major, uncompleted, immense hanging over him. And he's sponsor, I know, would be insisting that their sponsor reached out to those co-workers well before they were cleared to return to work.

Furthermore, one of the biggest events, this is written obviously before this person saw the episode, but furthermore, one of the biggest amendments and Langden needs to make is with Dr. Robbie. And given his plan sabbatical, Langden should be doing

everything he can sort of tackling Dr. Robbie and holding him down to make it happen. Ideally, though, he wouldn't step foot back and not hospital until he's had this step 9 conversation with every former co-worker on his list.

“So, I think you're right that this should not be happening”

this way, but dance point is it should have happened before Langden got called in at all. And the reason is happening now is because drama. - Because television. - Because television. - Because television, because the pit,

it takes place in one day. - It's certainly just. - So that's why. But I know, Langden is shouting at him, this is not your moment, buddy, but to be fair. - This was ahead in my hands moment on my,

I'm like, you cannot be doing this right now. - But to be fair, am I in the back for Langden sure? But to be fair, he has tried to get Robbie on like, calmer and calmer moments. And he's like, this might be my only opportunities.

- Could it be that elevator, right? - Could it be the elevator? - Yeah. - Any other moment? - Or, I feel like the only reason they went up, the elevator is because Princess is on like,

scheduling duty and she just didn't occur or the way that data is like doing four dimensional chess to like not put Robbie and Langden in an elevator together, but that's a real princess. - Mistakes are being made unfortunately.

- Like a bad bitch when I love it. But, you know, she doesn't want this job. - When they walk into the elevator, I was like, this is gonna be good. - He asked about Jake.

I do want to say, when we were talking about Robbie and like various long-term relationships or no, we didn't neglect it to give him credit for Jake, who is like a person he has kept in his life. - It's true.

- After his relationship with Jake's mom ended.

what's going on with Jake and Robbie

did not leave the last season on a good terms. He seems informed about Jake, but how is his relationship with Jake? We don't know. But yeah, Langden doing his, I'm sorry,

he's underneath the helicopter, is just so funny. - And then Robbie's having to shout, I'm really glad you got the help that you need, but I don't know if I want you working in my ER and then Langden just floundering for the rest

of your life. - Yeah, yeah, absolutely. - The entire next segment of the episode and who knows even beyond this point,

“but this has been the subtext of the season, right?”

It's like, does Langden actually have a place in the pit anymore on Robbie's watch? And so to put it front in center, I think it's just like good for storytelling purposes, and very clearly sets up like over the back part,

Langden has a lot to prove to Robbie, as far as whether he should be staying here, or whether he should earn Robbie's trust back, or whatever that looks like. But also, yeah, the pressure cooker

and outputs Langden in,

I think it's just very interesting for that character.

- The pit aside is the, you know, they brought back every character, except for one from season one, Dr. Collins is not here. But it's so interesting to think about,

as we've been alluding to the idea of turnover inside of an ED, and how it's impossible to have all of these characters back. Next season, but I couldn't tell you right now, like who I wouldn't want to see back in the ER,

the ED next season, you know? - I know, there've already been some who have suggested they might not be like Joy, for example, doesn't see herself as being long for the space, so I have to see kind of wear the next season,

what even be set? - Joy getting one over on Elgoli of his episode. - I mean, that's just like a straight log from Samera to just dunk all over him, and it was phenomenal.

- Can maybe next, maybe season three should be July 5th. (laughing) - Everyone's still here. - Everyone's still here.

- Robbie did not let go of it.

- I did, he canceled his trip. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Definitely could be. - Dr. All is occasionally here, but mostly upstairs in neurology getting that handled.

And for some reason, Dr. Jack Abbott is still here. I, they have set themselves up, unfortunately, like given the structure of the hospital, we can't have Dr. Jack Abbott here on like hour one of the day

because like he and Robbie, you know, are at the same level, but the show really feels better when Sean had to see his hair, so. - As a buddy act, it really works.

“And I think Robbie needs that Abbott energy”

in his face, like he needs it. - It's a pressure release for that character and for the show in a lot of ways to have Abbott there. - And Dr. Allis is here. And again, we didn't see much beyond one scene,

but it was all I needed to see. Honestly, and I can't wait to see more of the air kiss, the eye mask. I'm in a real eye mask era. - Oh, say no.

- Are you an eye mask? - Oh, absolutely. - Oh, because I low-knowing that show come on. - But here's a problem. Once you start, you can't stop.

- There's no going back. - So like, don't start unless you're ready for it to be a lifelong sort of. - I'm just getting into like a sensory deprivation tank era of sleep.

- I know. - Totally. - It's just, I do need some kind of sound supplement or we talked about previous like having the TV on. I need--

- But how does this work? When you fall asleep to the TV, is I mask like ready to go on like the-- - I wish I were that diligent. - No, it's a multi-stage process.

- Process, all right. But anyway, Dr. Allis, I mask or not, please come back to us. - Fucking legend. - Love her.

When Dr. John Shen wants to come back, any time? - Yeah, don't get on me, baby. - I'm friday. - Harlow. We did get some feedback from listeners

on the like legality slash feasibility of the pen and paper approach that we were sort of clamoring for. That being said, Santos wrote her a note inside of this episode. - Yes, she did. - Could she not have waited to get a response?

Okay, again, a lot of our listeners were like, not everyone who uses ASL, like rights or reads in English. - She's not a given. - She's not a given.

- And so-- - See, that would be a story line I would like to see explored. - But that does not seem to be the case here. - That's not the case.

So, I don't know what we're doing. - This is just Santos looking bad to be honest with you. - It's not, well, no, but 'cause she's checked over the bunch of people. So, like anyone else in the ER could have been like,

"Hey, have you tried using pen and paper?" - Yeah. - So, I actually think it's more the pit doing what I call earlier, living out. And just being like, "Hey, man, resources are fucked up."

- Doesn't this show? - You have these other needs, you know? - I grew the general state of things.

“I think my problem of Santos is less did she not consult”

the person or get the right solution. Once she does go to pen and paper, she can't, like, you can see Harlow is so clearly confused and upset. And Santos is like getting out of the room as fast as humanly possible.

And I get it, the zoom in translator is buffering and frustrating and if you try turning it off and back on again, 'cause this, you know, Richard Ayuade on the phone, like, I don't know what the move is here for her other than pen and paper, and she does go to it,

but then she can't even commit to it. - Have you ever fallen asleep to the IT crowd? Is that, of course. - Of course. - It's a good one. - The right zone.

- Yeah, a familiar rhythm of comedy.

we do get this Santos singing to Baby Jameso moment. - The baby whisperer. - This is, again, this is television. This is a TV show knowing that Isoprionus is a Broadway singer. - Yep.

- Wasn't Hamilton, a touring Hamilton was on Broadway in Haiti's town. Like, comes from musical theater royalty, John Tombury on Isoprionus is her father. She's a Broadway neppo baby, like, we love to hear it.

- My favorite bit of social media engagement of the pit from this season is a clip from one of her Broadway performances with the caption, anything but doing the charts. - Yeah, it's awesome, it's really good.

- But here she is, singing a tagalog lullaby to Baby Jameso. - Lovely. - I thought it was absolutely beautiful. The little, like, the little baby hand, like grabbing her finger, her tough exterior,

dodgy being like, I don't even hear babies crying anymore. Like, all that stuff was really good. And it made me think about some of the great plot lines in season one, when we get information about Trinity and how she grew up, we see these scars on her thigh

when she's getting up from going to the bathroom. - And is your read on that? Like, it looks like consistent with, like, a self-harm kind of scar to me, is that your read? - Those are the cutting scars, but not fresh cuttings.

- No, no. - Yeah, but that is, like, part of her history. - And we know, like, for a history of abuse growing up, and like talking about being not just like abused and going through the system and, like,

and being a child, and all of that sort of stuff. So, like, her tenderness thinking about, like, how was she with other children that she grew to the system with? And, like, is this something she's used to, like,

how she sung this little by before to other kids that she was sort of like going through these various systems that let her down. And, like, much needed dimensionality to this character. It's been having a tough season when it comes to, like,

empathy for her. - It's true, yeah. - But, like, I still just find Santos overall. If you take, like, her two seasons story to this point. - Yeah.

- To be one of the most interesting and well-rounded characters on the show for exactly this reason, like,

I don't always agree with the choices she's making,

but there's always something about her that's, like, that fine tension between the sort of, like, brashness and overconfidence and tenderness that she has, like, clearly underneath, like, there is a, there is an empathy to her buried somewhere.

- Yeah. - But, because of who she is and how she, like, how she grew up and everything she's experienced, it's, like, a little tougher to access for her than some of the other characters.

And so when it does come out, it feels very rewarding. And I thought within this episode, you see so many sides of her, right? You see her with baby Jane Doe, we see her with Robbie. And, like, they, I mean, they have amazing chemistry

and just don't get enough time together. - It's almost like a screw up comedy, like, pattern. - I mean, the little orphan Annie would know Amy, like, let's see the show on the road. Frankly, as far as the two of them, they're great together.

She also gets on to, like, her moment kind of with the 18, with this, you know, this cop who's been brought in

“or this, the SWAT officers have been brought in, right?”

'Cause in that moment, it's Robbie, it's Abbott, all of she me comes in, Garcia's in there, and Santos.

It's like the one who's been brought in basically

from, you know, the next generation of the pit and acclimates herself well and gets her, like, congratulations for her performance in that moment. And so we see all of these different elements, including her in some ways, kind of blowing it

in terms of Harlow's immediate treatment. And it's like, that exact mixture, yeah. - I find to be really compelling. - And we've talked constantly about how much we love on the pit when they show the successes and failures.

So for Samira, not just because it gave me the hottest moment that has ever happened on the pit, but for Samira's patient, like diabetes patient, to walk out or lend ideas. And like, we spent multiple episodes with him and she's worked so hard to try to get this in a work

for him and then he walks out anyway. It reminded me of a season one plot line. When Dana and McKay were trying to talk to the young woman who they think is being trafficked. - Yes.

- And they're doing everything they can to try to get through to her and then she walks out anyway. And they're like, well, she took a pen.

“So maybe, you know, maybe there's a hope there, right?”

And so maybe Dr. Jack Abbott will pay for an Uber to take this applies to Orlando but still not the level of care that he needs or deserves and for Samira to have worked so hard and then failed, failed.

- Yes. - Anyway, if you're not watching this podcast, there were air quotes around failed. Not being judgmental of her, but like, we need these wins and these losses

and all of these characters to keep them interesting.

- And that one I think was so critical

in terms of Samira and Abbott for two reasons. One, like, it was so hot. - I mean, one, or sorry, three reasons. One, it was so hot. Two, she, like her reaction to feeling that she has failed

Orlando, yes, or that he has walked out and she was able to get it. She's been putting everything aside, working tirelessly to get these supplies together. So he can go home with them.

So he can just have a chance to get through the day without crashing again and he's already at the door. And you can see in her in that moment, it's like, that's like a breaking point when she walks into the room and realizes he's not there.

And Abbott's gesture in addition to being hot

“is just like, it's like wind in her sails again, right?”

It just kind of picks her up and keeps her going

maybe things don't go so well for her. - Yeah. - And this is something I'm wondering with that character over all with Samira is we've seen her over the course of these two seasons,

like really evolve in her capacity as a doctor and really grow. And she's learning things from Robbie and she's learning things from Abbott. Like I assume this is something that she'll take away

from their exchanges, like a non-chimper. Well, we'll see in episodes to come, but like a non-traditional solution to this like really gutting problem of healthcare. Like she has tried to interface like

official capacity to help Orlando Diaz and he left. And it's like wood, glorious, suggest that they over him, the supplies, no. But it's like, this is a thing you can do. - Yeah, which goes back to Dr. Alishimie's point last season

where it's just like just 'cause this is from his broken,

“that means you need to sort of roll over and take it.”

And I think, I'm so sorry, I don't have this email in front of me, so I apologize to the listener who wrote it and but we got a really interesting email from someone talking about, okay, so Dr. Collins has been written out of the show. That means they, you know, barring,

whenever Dr. Ellis gets back into the mix in earnest, we don't have a black female doctor, like on the staff the way that we did last season. And, you know, we do, but Dr. Collins was shown as someone who went above and beyond something

that Louie says, right?

She always helped me out, right?

Dr. Collins. And so this listener was sort of examining the idea that like Louie gets these care throughout these episodes from all these white male doctors. But like what would have happened if Dr. Collins had been there?

Or Samira, you know, they called Samira out as someone another person who goes above and beyond when it comes to like looking really closely and figuring out ways around systems for patients. I thought the email was really interesting

because it was like, why call out sort of how important is to have doctors of color, like on staff and their various ways in which to connect with patients and then have a complete absence of it in certain story lines? - It's true.

- I don't know that I have an easy answer for that, but I thought that was like an interesting thought. - Definitely. - Interrogate. We have a couple moments that really remind us that it's a fourth of July.

We've got this dermatology, head of dermatology who's got to go barbecue for 30. I wonder what's she's throwing on the grill? I don't know. What do you think?

She like a-- - For 30, I mean, you got to be economical, not even just by price, but like timing, right? You can do anything too delicate. - Yeah, yeah.

- Feels like a shish kebabs situation, yeah. - But I feel like swordfish, shish kebabs. - Oh my God, right?

Never had a swordfish, a short fish shish kebabs before.

- But I feel like that's a real head of dermatology thing to do. She's got the swordfish shish kebabs already marinating in the fridge, and she's just going to throw them on the grill, she has, right?

So like, and then we get a tried Norris head, the big boss. - Yeah. - Gloria maybe is not even in this season. I don't know. - Maybe not in the season, or we keep hearing about it.

We haven't seen her. Tried Norris and his salmon shorts, like--

“- I think salmon is generous, is her very pink.”

- Okay, what shade would you call them? - I don't know, I mean we're approaching the-- I think we're closer to neon than salmon. - Wow, okay, I feel like if you're as rich as the big boss that they had of the paint probably is,

and they're on your lower extremities, they're always salmon. Like that's all, like, let me show you. Like salmon but no bows, like that's the class thing. - Spiritualature, I did learn salmon or pink. - Yeah.

- I don't ever want in my life to be delivering bad news wearing salmon or pink shorts. - Well, you gotta be careful, you're wearing on the fourth of July. - May are very careful.

He will not be grilling for his friends. I assure you that he bought a big grill and then hired someone to grill for him. - Oh, that's a fact, that is a fun fact. Okay, before we get to try it,

anything you wanna say about Javadi, her dad, the head of German mythology, any of that. - I mean, it's nice to meet her dad and immediately upon meeting him, I know this couple, you know.

They're like very overbearing moms, swoop in and smooth things over dad or vice versa if you prefer to pens on the relationship makes total sense to me. - Yeah.

- Also makes total sense in terms of what he's pitching, which is Javadi's mom has been like trying to usher her into surgery, very competitive, but also very intense. Dermatology, as I understand it,

and I'm sure many of our friends in health care will correct me if I'm wrong about this, but like... - Cushie. - Well, Cushie, but also like very competitive

in terms of getting it, right, like the threshold, I think it's very hot.

“- But I think a Cushie, like a more relaxed lifestyle,”

the fact that she's like, I'm gonna go help, you know, somewhere in the mayor's office, right? And then, Grill for 30, like, this is her day,

like Victoria's mom has never had that day in my life, right?

And so it's just sort of like, do you want, what do you want? Do you want to be at the most hyper-competitive, like, you work hard now, you're never gonna stop working hard or, and again, with love, I love my Dermatologists.

I'm not knocking Dermatologists, they do incredible work, and it certainly depends on who, which Dermatologists you're talking about, but I think the avenue, like, specifically that he's

- Right. - And I see that this woman has a very nice life. - And it's brilliant. - She makes it out of money is brilliant, and it seems to have a much more relaxed life

than your mother has, you know?

“- And I think that's an interesting concept”

for someone like Javadi, who is like, yes, you are a high achiever, a prodigy, it seems in every respect, right? - Right. - But like, you have choices here,

and your choices don't have to only be the most intense lifestyle, right? The most demanding possible specialty you could pick, like, even though it is glamorous and rewarding, and would make use of your expertise

in all these interesting ways and probably fulfilling ways, you could just do this other thing, and that would probably be okay, too. At least, at least according to him. - Have your career in sort of a shishkebout, too?

- Why not? - We can only dream. - All right, so Trent Norris, who, as we mentioned, is not doing his own grilling, this 4th of July, someone else is grilling the steaks,

and it's definitely steaks at Trent Norris, as I would believe for 4th of July. Cyber attack, princess seemingly won the pool. - I didn't even notice that. - Oh, she goes, it looks like it looks at him on

when they say cyber attack, so she at least won something, it seems like I'm excited for her. That's actually, that's the person I most wanted to win the pool if I had to pick. Other hospitals have been attacked,

“so they're shutting down the pit preventively.”

This is so aggravating. As it's meant to be, but it's just sort of like, "I don't blame Dr. Hashimi," it seems like she was put in a type position, and Robbie taunted her on the way out the door, so Robbie,

you don't have a lot of ground to stand on here. - But I'm sure he's gonna be pissed all the same to open the next episode. - But if Trent Norris had given us, we're shutting down in 15 minutes,

get on the information you need, not any second now,

with a current grab of photo of, we heard the shutter goes, so with a dot of photo, how good that photo is, we'll find out, but take a photo of the big board before it all blacks out. - And give us 15, 20 minutes to prepare at least,

it's not an hour, give us an episode, but no, that's not good TV drama, that's not what we call it. - It's not unfortunate. I like the quick turn for TV purposes. It's obviously ridiculous for professional ones.

I have something, maybe the upset of the season is Whitaker being the fastest draw on his phone. - Yeah. - Joy's been on our phone all season. - Oh, I know.

- Javad is a TikTok influencer. You're telling me Whitaker of all people. - The farm boy? - But see, maybe it's that. - Maybe he's been taking so many pictures

of his proxy farm kid. - Yeah. - But now he's all of a sudden a pro. Maybe it is as simple as that. - Do you think the Huckle Ravi Shippers really enjoyed the,

but he's our Huckleberry moment? - Maybe. - But that whole exchange to me did read as like, very interested dad or uncle hearing about the younger person's new girlfriend.

- But what I love is he's like, how are you doing? And by you I mean, how was Whitaker? (laughing) - Couldn't even hide it. - All right, anything else you want to talk about,

the cliffhanger before we. Oh, I will say this. We're about to go analog, is what he says. - We are. - Do you ever have like movie quote like Tourette's almost

just like someone says something? - You already know that we all do. - I know. - For all sick. This isn't even from a movie I like.

But there's a line in Pacific Rim. - You don't like Pacific Rim? - I don't. - I don't like, it's fine. We'll talk about it.

- This is the most hurtful thing you've ever said to me. - Oh my, well, my pro kid you hard. - Perhaps than you know the line. - Jeepsie's analog. Nuclear.

(laughing) - I actually don't have this line. - I have a couple friends who say it all the time,

they love Pacific Rim and they just always go,

"Jeeepsie's analog, nuclear." So that's like what my brain did when he said we're about to go analog and then of course, Dr. Jack Abbott, who is the most fun at every party. So he's just gonna be great.

- See, I really needed a Dr. Jack Abbott, cigarette almost falling out of his mouth, hold on to your butts, dress, park, switch flip moment, but we didn't get it. - No, he's like we're canceling the apocalypse here.

- Yeah, that's true.

“- Honestly Abbott is very happy about it.”

- Yeah. - I mean, this is the adrenaline junkie part of him. - I'm happy about it because he means Abbott's not leaving the ED at any time. - They know all the help they can get.

- Yeah, suit up Dr. John Shen. We'll have the ice coffee waiting for you, okay. Last night at least, again, we wanted to say this for last because I thought it was handled like really beautifully, but I want a Miller comes in.

Degina, this is one of those like audience education pieces that the pit does, for sure. - For sure. - Whereas as Dana is explained to this character of Emma, about all the steps and explaining to Alana in turn,

sort of to make her feel in control in the room.

Here's what I'm gonna do next.

Here's what I'm gonna do next. We at home are now understanding what it means to be a sexual assault nurse examiner. The fact that she can't leave the room once she started, all of the steps, and for her to,

she's causing, and Dana's not like lying, but she's constantly like, we're almost done. But it's the whole episode, and we're not even done with this exam. So this is just like, the pit is making a sit with

how invasive and harrowing,

as caring as everyone who's involved with this is being, this is a re-traumatizing experience.

“Like, you and I know this and a lot of people”

at home know this, but like, you know,

some people have never watched something like this.

So I think I really loved this. There's something about when they asked along it to undress and had to have her clothing on these various paths on the ground. There was something about the fact that she was wearing,

like a red white and blue bathing suit that like absolutely shattered my heart. Like this is just a like a young woman who like went out to enjoy the Fourth of July, and then the breakdown that she had about like,

he's my friend, my friends with all my friends. She was drawn key to mean like all of that. It was just like incredibly well done, not to mention Kathalan Aussies. Like, silent performance when Emma,

and I think this is the storyline where we're kind of looking for for Emma, like something for Emma to do that's not just like, helpless baby eyes, the fact that she's like, we'll go get the good snacks.

Like, I'm curious to see Emma's ongoing role in this, but when they left and then we were just left with Dana, just who has been sort of moving the process along, having to like have the wave of the emotion of the experience crash over her as we watch.

I just thought, this is incredibly good television, and incredibly good and important story to tell at the same time. - Very much so, and I think, Darthal Aussie me is not wrong

“when she does the line of like your good hands, right?”

Like, there's almost no one you would want more than Dana doing something like this. I think both for the care she clearly has, but also just a level of discretion and information and clarity about like,

this is exactly what is coming next. This is what you can anticipate. This is the, these are the ways you're going to be touched frankly, and I think you're absolutely right about just the invasiveness and the retraumatization of that process,

which, yeah, is one thing to know it and another thing to see it, even in the context that they're gonna show on the pit. And when she's addressing, that was one of those moments that struck it with me too,

like obviously there's the very physical clear ways that this is going to be an invasive examination. But also like Dana's just like inches from her, like the prox, the physical proximity

that they have to have basically at all times,

even as she's undressing, even as she's, you know, nude behind a gown has to turn and be blue lit in order to show whatever like fluids or secretions might be on her. It's just all of that felt so up close

and so difficult for any character to process in that moment. And this is where I just feel comfortable with the pit exploring these kinds of story lines because I know and trust the care.

“I think it's because like the pit is not,”

look, they're not just telling a story. There are a lot of shows out there that there's a sexual assault plot line, there's a sexual assault survivor, whatever it may be. And it's like, this is a character-driven decision

that's part of the plot or mechanics in some way. That's happening with the pit, but this is also a character we don't know. We're meeting for the first time, and as you talked about Jill,

this is a show that is invested in the educational part of this experience in the procedural unpacking of like,

what does it mean to be in the room you never wanna be in?

Whether that's the room where you find out you have cancer or the room where you say goodbye to a loved one or the room where you relive just hours after the fact, the sexual assault that even in that moment, you're like trying to understand and comprehend

and explain away, it's incredibly heavy material for any show, but I do feel like the pit handles it pretty definitely. - That was really beautifully put around. And I think there's a moment I am never going to compare anything I've gone through to what this woman is going through here.

But to me, this is exactly what we were asking for the pit to do last week, which is like, show us what the nurses can do. Don't tell us what the nurses can do, right? And so when I had surgery last year, like a few weeks after, our, like, I presume we have the same medical plan.

There was like, just a part of our medical plan where a nurse called me several weeks after my procedure, just to, who was not involved in the procedure at all, just to like talk to me about how I was doing. - Yeah.

- And just like, it was just a, like, and to tell me about all the resources that were available to me and she just had this, like, the most comforting demeanor. I didn't know that this call was going to happen. She just called me to talk to me about it.

And then she was like, she said something that is very similar to what Dana says here where she was just like, you've gone through something very traumatic. And that just, like, flipped something in me where I was like, I had been trying so hard to just be like,

this is fine, I'm fine, I can do this, I'm fine, I'm tough, I'm fine. And when she, there's something about someone just validating, when Dana says you've experienced a horrific trauma. - Yeah. - There's just something so vital.

And someone just, like, looking at you and saying, you've been through something. And you can be, you know, like, Alana is trying to hold something together in all of this. But that validation of just sort of like,

however you're feeling, or however you,

because what is happened to you is hugely significant. - Completely. - And again, I'm not comparing my experience to this young woman's experience at all, but it's just sort of like, that thing that

anyone in the medical profession,

“but like quite often I think the nurses can provide”

for someone, that validation, that I see you, and trying to offer a safe place for all of those emotions and all of the fear and all of the anger and however you might be feeling. It's just like, there are so many layers

to what people inside of any given hospital, but like, you know, we've seen,

we see a million patients cycle through the pit

and all these various things, but it's the psychological element that the pit is can be really good at nailing at the same time. - For sure. - And I think Tina Evlev, who plays Elano,

I mean, just a really wonderful performance, a very, very tricky part, because I think if you're going to be the pit and you're going to embrace these storylines, not just as storylines,

but as like informational episodes for the people who are watching at home, the more you know, that demands like a really naturalistic performance. And for her here, you're asking her to be a stand-in,

almost, for this very fraught subject matter, in a way that's going to feel recognizable and familiar, but not like overly showy or overly performative, it's such a line to walk.

“And I think she just absolutely nails that,”

like disorientation, all like kind of borderline denial

at times, like there's moments where she just kind of like,

almost like drifting in and out of the room, and there's moments where she's overly reactive for the most understandable reasons. And it's like hitting all parts of that emotional spectrum, I think it's just so hard to do as an actor

without coming across as like acting. And this just feels like, you know, obviously it's not true to life, it's still performance, it's all that, but it feels grounded in the emotion of what they're trying to tell in such a real way.

And it's just like, in our global way, on the screen. - I just, I thought this is tremendous episode of television, just like had everything we could possibly want from the pit. I don't think I mentioned at the top of this, this episode was written by Chris and Pierre Gaffman

and Arskar, Arskar Gamble, and Directed by Udibres Fitz, who we've talked about before, is like this really incredible TV director. So it's just like a really, you know, everyone on the pit is very talented.

This is a really great team that came together for this particular episode.

And I'm really, I don't know, excited is not always the word.

I want to use for the pit because there's so much heartbreak that's involved in it, but like I'm really interested to see where the pit goes to the rest of this show. - For sure. - And they've really, you know, this is like the big trauma,

I guess here, which is like the system is down, the expanded cast of characters is already like filtered into the hospital, and it's like, here we go. So it's episode seven, got 15 episodes who are about at the halfway point in the season.

And this is like, I guess it's go time for the rest of this season. And I don't think, I don't think if we continue this kind of momentum going forward, I don't think any of the bumps that we felt in the first half of the season

will be something we'll remember too much about season two in the pit.

“- If there's a lot like set up in retrospect, right?”

Like things that you can see facilitating other plot long that would lead to this bit of character development or that, that you know, we've been setting the stage for a couple episodes now. I think what's interesting now is now that the shit

is really hitting the fan. Everything is going analog, hold on to your butts, et cetera, et cetera, going nuclear. - It's analog, not clear. What does that mean for, like, as you talked about Joe,

like this sexual assault examination is not finished yet. - And yet all the-- - Like Dana can't leave that room. - She can't leave that room. - She's just about to hit the fan

and princess is incredibly capable. - Yep. - But princess is going to be in charge. - Not her usual job. - Right.

- And there's all these little cases on the side that are like, this is a quieter thing that's happening. For a baby Jane Doe's trying to sleep over here. - Yeah. - And all of a sudden, people are gonna be wheeled into

that you are screaming at each other 'cause there's no charge. There's no computer access. There's no email. There's no way of communicating other than being loud.

- And it will be like, you know, it'll be a really fun way for, because when you compare, if when you go back and watch ER and you compare the way they did things on ER before they had tablets or, you know, all these things,

it's like, we're gonna have to do it ER style. And you're gonna see a lot more paper charts flying around. You're gonna see a lot of other things. So we're gonna like, it'll be a fun way for them to be like,

"Hey kids, we used to microwave vegetables in plastic bags and we used to have paper charts for everything." - Don't stop by our lending wife. - Yeah, thanks.

Like, all right, anything else you wanna mention? - I think we covered it, Jane. You said it though, this is just a really great episode of TV of the pit, I think we're really setting up for an exciting back half of the season.

- All right, so tune in for us for the rest of the season. Rob has decided we're going to Pittsburgh for the finale. - Yeah. - Spotify, listening, and--

- And Anthropocon, is that the one that's in Pittsburgh? - Uh-huh, yeah. - Let's do it, why not?

if we go to Anthropocon. - I will donate. - I will donate.

“- An irresponsible amount of money to that go fund me.”

However, much it takes to make Kai a furry,

I am willing to, I'm willing to chip in. - Thank you to Kai Grady. I'm sorry if that was an eight-term violation.

Thank you to Justin Sales,

“and when we back with more industry and more the pit.”

Bye. (upbeat music)

- Okay, Nikola, Chris Frager.

How much does it cost? What brings us more? - At the moment, I checked the code. - Oh, huh, how long has it been? Bring 250 € more a year.

“- Yeah, right, but why do you know what?”

- Because, as a member of the administration, that's just the story of everything. - Yeah, I'm asking for it too. - Twenty-seven and unbiased people, that's simply the one who understands us.

- Steiner, let's say. - With this story, let's try it now.