‘The Pitt’ Season 2, Episode 8: Panic! At the Discharge

- Hello, welcome back to the Prestige TV podcast beat I'm doing it Robinson. - I'm Rob Bahoney. - We're in a new studio, Rob. - We sure are.

- Oh my gosh, we're here to talk about the pits. It's two o'clock, episode eight. How's everyone doing in two o'clock in the pit?

“- Honestly, better adjusted than I thought they would do.”

- Okay, okay, not as much chaos as you thought. - Well, there is chaos and there are triplicates and some of them are being used correctly, but there's still time to have like, what am I doing with my career conversations,

which I didn't think we'd be having this week. - Can I say that with love and respect to everyone who's doing their best, felt tip pen usage is demented at the best of times, let alone when you're working in triplicates, so.

- Why? - The amount of smearing that be going on on any paper, even if it's just a post-it at the nurse's station. - Not to mention like, what you get on, no, it's a no for me.

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- Did you like this episode of television? - I sure did. - Yeah, I mean, this is the pit being the pit.

“I think we really ratchet things up with the chaos”

of the tech shut down, four doctors to be resourceful in ways that are always exciting, got some pairings. We haven't really seen a lot of this season. I don't know, I just hit enough of the pit notes expected and unexpected for me to be completely dialed in.

How about you? - I have a theory. - A reason, you really like this episode. - Yeah. - Is because I get to congratulate you on calling

"Mesal Mom" as the case against Melking, I think you did that in episode one. - I think I do.

- For the very beginning, you're always so nice to me

if I call a shot early, you call that so early. - It's very kind of you. - You nailed it, you crushed it. - There is no doubt in my mind that the Mel practice suit is "Mesal Mom."

Like it has to be hurt, right? - Oh my God, "Mesal Mom." I feel so sure of it. - How did it feel? - I will feel better when she is on screen.

- Okay. - But the "Mesal Mom" is landed. Like we are here, you know? - Did you make any kind of noise when that happens? - I did a fist pump on my couch, I did.

I was very excited, the alarms were blaring in my head. I mean, what else could it be? You know, the spinal taps, they demand litigation. - Oh, do they? - It turns out.

- Okay, Dr. Ellis, it turns out we were slightly mistaken. We thought Dr. Ellis was here for a double shift but she said deposition. - Yes. - So she did her deposition.

- That was wishful thinking. - I really was, it really was. We are gonna get to male bag. I just wanna say, in terms of like our male bag this week, we heard from the legal community once again,

we've been hearing from them all season, just once again, they wanna reiterate, July 4th, not a good day for a deposition, probably not happening. And one of the lawyers who wrote in said,

especially not in the afternoon, that Mel would have been

in like first thing in the morning

to sort of do her deposition. So something you think about, what did you make of like Dr. Brief, two brief time with Dr. Ellis inside of this episode. I feel like she should have stayed around

to the help with the chaos, but I don't know. If we'll see her again, would you make of her her scene here with Mel? - I love it. I mean, for one, just getting a moment of clarity for Mel

of hopefully exactly what she needs to hear. - She's really going through it. - She is. - I picked Mel King as my ideal doctor. I'm sure to see me in the pit, but I don't know if I would

pick her today. - It's not her best day. - She's quite distracted. - Not her most confident day. And we even see, I think later in this episode,

I would say overall the theme of this entire episode to me is all about patient communication. Like what are you articulating and how to patients? And one of the moments that caught my eye is when Mel alerts this woman who may be going blind in one eye,

that what she has going on is sometimes called an eye stroke. And you see like the side eye, the Samiramohan gives Mel in that moment's like, are you fucking kidding me? Like that is a word you do not say in this room at this moment

when this woman is kind of freaking out. - It's something that we've seen Javadi do or Whittaker do or maybe Santos do, but not, that's not usually an error that a blender that Mel makes. So this is just she's really going through it today.

- She really is. And hopefully after having this conversation with Ellis, maybe some of her fears will be quelled, but it's like, from Ellis's perspective,

“I think she hits all of the important notes,”

which is a completely needless lawsuit. This is not your fault. You, my perfect sweet summer child did a great job. Just like Robby has told her.

- I don't know. Mel did not look particularly reassured afterwards, but I guess we'll see where she is next week. - Inside of this episode, this is a friendship test for you Rob.

Inside of this episode, lurks something that I would call one of my most feared enemies of my early 20s, do you care to guess

“what am I most hated enemies inside of this episode?”

- Is it biting your tongue off? - No, what would you actually be afraid of in your early 20s? I mean, randomly going blind is pretty terrifying. I don't think that's it for you. What else is really in play that would be so terrifying?

Is it that? Is it the going blind? - That's such a nice guess. You understandably were thinking about medical cases.

The answer is a fact machine.

- I lived in Newark and worked as a temp in various high, like fast-paced financial offices, where I had no business being in my early 20s. I was completely bewildered. And just something that the children who work here

at the pit and the children out there and the universe don't know is that when you were in office temp in like the 80s and 90s, I guess, early odds, that was me. There was a different fax machine at every single office you went through that had different combinations of buttons.

So if you're afraid to ask for help, if you're bewildered by the fax machine. - Yes. - And afraid to admit that you don't know how to use it. You're just sort of like, is this one paper a face up,

face down, what combo buttons? I was just like, when the fax machine came out and we heard the sound of the fax machine, I like the comedy of the young people in this show, not knowing what it was or that it still existed fine,

“but it struck terror in my heart honestly.”

- They are terrifying in their way.

Every time I have attempted in my then very young age

to use a fax machine and to disaster it's like, could not figure it out, could not make heads or tails. I did think the single most believable moment in the pit, which is quite a believable show most of the time, was the enthusiasm with which Dr. Abbott got to say,

that is a fax machine. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - He absolutely, what? He'd be so psyched to be able to tell young people about a fax machine.

- But also, joy saying the 1900s, right? Which is something that I've heard like Jan Alfa's say in a way to try to win. - That's a good bit. - Whoa, now, the whole back to the future Titanic.

- Yeah. - Not the best written moment in the pit history. - That's okay, but like LinkedIn was doing physical comedy, so that's something for us. All right, meal bug time.

Dr. [email protected], press [email protected], it folks want to reach us. - Of course. - The pit has been very fruitful in terms of listener feedback.

Let's start with Christina, who wanted to let us know about Javadi potentially going into dermatology. And Christina said that like in terms of residency, competitiveness, dermatology, along with radiology, ophthalmology, and anesthesia to shout out,

my dad, my uncle are the most competitive because they are the cushiest. - Locally. - My uncle used to do Sudoku at work, while he was at when he was an anesthesiologist.

So-- - Well, you can have your nice career Andrew 4th of July, barbecue too. - That's true, exactly.

“So very competitive, and also you have to start early.”

So the fact that Victoria's dad was like, "Hey, have you considered dermatology?" The person who wrote in about this Christina was like, that's preposterous. She would have been planning for dermatology

for years in advance if that's what she wanted to do. - Well, in pure show construction. Like based on what we know of Javadi's mom in particular, she has been funneled toward medical specialties,

probably since like the first time she picked up a rattle.

You know, the idea-- - For surgery. - For surgery specifically for her mom, but the idea that this would be the first time her dad is even broaching the idea of dermatology.

Even for him, I don't believe that to be true, but it's got to happen on shift, or so it didn't canonically happen. - Didn't really happen at all. Okay, I'll listen to Evan Rodin.

This goes back to your question about Dr. Robbie slicing that woman's leg open. Evan Rodin with a topical Olympics themed email to say Lindsay Vaughn almost lost her leg per the athletic today.

The doctor that saved her leg did the same thing Dr. Robbie did with the woman that unfortunately did lose her leg. Coding Ms. Vaughn, quote, "He cut open both sides of my leg

"kind of filated open so to speak to let it breathe. "I gasp when I read the article, tears to the pit. "How do you feel about it?" - See, I don't think that's exactly what Dr. Robbie did. I think what Robbie did was,

I'm gonna slice this open to prove my point. - Yeah. - Not because this medically needs to happen right now. It's like look what's inside, more than it is an active measure of treatment.

- I don't know what it means to make a leg breath. - Well, to me it reminds me of last season. - Yeah. - The burn victim farmer, the victim has now become the surrogate substitute for.

- Correct. - He, they were slicing into to relieve some of the internal pressure in swing. That sounds a lot more like Lindsey Fonske is to me. - Okay, so you're still out on Robbie having

slices of women's now non-existent leg. - I'm mixed out on that. I am out on doing elaborate ski jumps on blown ACLs. Don't do that. - I think we all agree on that about that.

All right, Jacob wrote it with a very sensible question, which is this, if Westbridge, which is the hospital that went down earlier in the day,

and can't see patients, but the pit loses access voluntarily and can, does that make sense? The pit can still handle the patients that Westbridge can't take,

but both of them have their systems down. Do we understand why that would work? - We don't. - The doctors there just, you know, they're soft, they're not ready for this,

they're not of this life. - They haven't been through what the pit's been through it. All right, so every people wrote in to let us know in terms of your condiment hoarding habit, perhaps?

- Do you wanna call it that? - It's mild, okay. I want to be very clear about this. It's select condiments only, it's as a needs case basis. - Okay, in the container,

the container store, special container that you bought, to house them, how deep into that container is the pile of condiment packet. - Well, they settle at the bottom, so it's necessarily, it's more the little plastic containers than it's the packets.

I'm rarely saving a packet, 'cause most of what you will find in a packet can be replaced. - A little ramicant of something. - No, no, not a ramicant, like again,

it's like a little dipping sauce container. - All right, that's when I meant, like a little plastic. Okay, all right, anyway, if you don't-- - Deeper than it should be, is the answer, but still. - I mean, you don't, one can request

in delivery, no utensils, no napkins, no condiments, and just a bunch of people recommended-- - I often do. - Yeah. - If I can, you know, if we can just get through it.

- Hopefully it's-- - Talk to bottom today. - Please. - I will request that for the plastic where I don't need it. I'm eating at home, don't you worry about it.

But I do need five sauces, because the same part of me that wants to pack three days worth of extra clothes on every trip also wants to make sure that I am appropriately sourced.

“So that's how you end up in my situation”

with my just general deal, Joan, sorry. - You're a very special person. - Thank you. - I want to look at the camera for this one. It's a garlic, right?

- You did it. (laughs) - How I pressed last time, I choose not to go back and listen to it. Here's what I know. I was very nervous to mispronounced tumult,

which I might have just mispronounced. I blacked out, did not pronounce a word correctly.

Never happened before in a podcast.

Well, never happened again. - Never. - A lot of people had a lot of thoughts about it. So I just thought that I would correct that. - It's an occupational hazard.

I'm proud of you. - Thank you so much. And then, last but not least, we got several responses to the email I read about, "Landons Recovery." - Oh, we sure did.

- Yeah, yeah. And so, something I just want to quote from that, that email that I read last week that I did not include, which is that person wrote,

"Every Recovery Journey is different." And a lot of people wrote it to say, "Hey, man, talking about speedrunning recovery "is a deterrent for some people," et cetera, et cetera. So the point is, there's no one way to do this.

Our email earlier last week knew that I just did him a disservice by not including that part in talking about it, but that's just something,

I would never want to deter someone from getting the help

that they need, obviously, and so. That is something I want to say.

“- I think there are a lot of right paths.”

There are a lot of right answers. Again, the way LinkedIn is going about it, not just in the speedrunning, but what it actually means to make a men's and apologize to people and the process,

I still find a little wonky. - Yeah. - I'm not even out so much as like, does this kind of know what he is trying to accomplish? 'Cause there are times where it doesn't seem to be so.

- What do you feel like he was trying to accomplish with some, instead of this episode? - I think this was like breaking the ice a little bit. - Right, Santos has been ducking him all day, even more aggressively than Robbie, I would say.

- Right. - And so this was his opportunity to just get in a room, like let's thought this out just a little bit. I think we saw very quickly, not only in that room, there's going to be lots of elephants in it,

anytime LinkedIn is involved. We saw earlier the season, Whitaker, jump at almost reflexively, jump at, requesting the meds so that LinkedIn wouldn't do it. - Right.

- That's kind of one thing. And then there's Santos being like, yeah, let's get a blood alcohol level check. - Oh, rehab care to guess? - Yeah, let me, yeah, it's a good idea, let's investigate that.

It's clearly so different and so pointed with her and they just have so much more to resolve. - Absolutely, and like, I don't begrudge her her resentments.

“Is she communicating them in the most healthy way possible?”

No, I understand also that I am very much in the bag for this LinkedIn's character archetype, which is someone who's on a recovery arc. And not just like, substance recovery, but someone who's like, on a character arc

that's trending from a problem towards redemption or attempt of arc is actually the more economical it is at it. And so this is my favorite kind of archetype. And so I tend to be very soft and forgiving on those characters

because I like watching that story. But for folks at home, when we dig it some emails about this, we're like, Joanna Langdon is not, don't let him off the hook so easy. That's a problem here for Rob here.

- To hall LinkedIn's feet to the fire, and I'm here to forgive him to readily to fast. - Well, and to your point about seeing this

as that sort of arc, the initial steps are almost always

some version of this, which is like a little clumsy. Like you can see the intent of wanting to do

And also the ways in which those characters go about it

are often wrong or blundering or they're misreading a situation or they're trying to do too much too fast like Langdon is here. - Right. - And so like that's all part of the journey.

It's just like about the follow-through and what he learns from it.

“And that's, I think what we have necessarily seen”

from LinkedIn yet is all of these weird false starts of conversations that people don't want to have. What is he taking away from that other than not this time, but that next time the helicopter shows up, I'm sure it'll work.

- Tomorrow, but Rob y'all already be gone. - He will be gone. - Okay, we're already talking about the episode. I told you we were gonna start one place and then I zagged and made you start with Langdon.

But let's wrap up this sort of like Langdon joy, Santos section. We got a really great email about this because no matter what Santos was gonna be prickly

to use a word as she always does.

- She always is, but when Langdon, if Langdon ever came back, she was gonna be prickly about it. No matter what, he was gonna be feeling sort of like raw and uncomfortable about it. But this idea that both of them are on the back foot

because they were both rattled quite recently inside of this day by their superior. So this is what our listener Tim Rotten to say. - Dr. Alashimi has completely deflated Dr. Santos with one often, often comment about completing R2

due to slow charting. On the other hand, Dr. Robby has inflated Whitaker with confidence with a good catch and double fist bump. Dr. Robby shook Dr. Langen with three seconds saying, I don't know if I want you in my ER on the rooftop

in the rooftop confidential scene and the same pump-up milking back with like you're one of the best, right? So the point of Tim's email was the tremendous impact your Alashimi's and your Robbies and your Abits,

these leaders can have. Tim was writing 'cause he's a teacher and he was just sort of like, the way in which you can just sort of like completely deflate a person who's looking up to you

versus inflate them, sort of stuff.

So I want to give Robby, I was quick to be critical of Robby

when I see him being harder in some of his female staff members. But I will say with Santos and with Mel King in recent episodes, and this was an excellent Dr. Robby episode 'cause we'll talk about the Howard case,

“but that is like perfect place for him to shine, right?”

But I want to make sure I give him credit for when he does stuff like that. But the idea that both Langdon and Santos were just sort of shook to their core and then you put them in a room together

when they already have a fraught history, just a recipe for joy to be doing the like, looking back and forth like giftable reaction. What do you think? - It's a little combustible for sure,

but look, there's unquestionably truth in the idea of anyone you look up to in any walk of life. Like the smallest gesture from them can mean a lot. The smallest comment that's a criticism can completely tear you down.

- Right. - Just a real thing that I think everybody goes through. What's interesting about Robby is, I feel like he is very deliberate about the praise, right? It's like when good things come up,

when Whitaker has a break in the case, when Mel is expressing some doubt, he's so thoughtful about how he is expressing affirmation in those moments. When the bad stuff comes,

it's like emotional and lashing out. And it's so, it's coming from a place of like,

“I am not dealing with my shit and thus you must deal with my shit.”

- I feel disregulated, so. - Absolutely, yeah. - And I think Dr. Ellashimi is a different case where her comportment with Santos is like she's saying a lot of the right things

but in the wrong order. And so coming out of the gate with, you don't want to flunk this year and have to repeat it. And then circling back with some of the affirmation

that she may be needed all along. It's like, if those exchanges had just happened in a different order, it would feel completely different. But they happened in the way they did and Santos has been kind of an a tailspin

for hours as a result. - You mentioned me before I watched a sub said, you watched it before I did. And you were like, there is a chance to talk about hot doctors once again.

So here's a couple of things I want to say. Number one, thank you to all of our listeners and strangers on the internet who got excited about our hot doctor moments from the pit. I do want to do a listener's suggestion list

but I don't want to do it this week, maybe next week. But just I want to just want to give people in the opportunity to write in. We'd be getting suggestions on the TikTok comments and the Instagram comments.

You know, Dr. [email protected] but we are going to do like a what's the listener version of this list. The leader right now seems to be season one, Dr. Abbott, donating blood while like saving lives.

You know, at the same time. - Well, you guys in general, absolutely feral for Dr. Abbott. - Can we support you? I mean, free responsibly, yes. But man, the response has been overwhelming.

- How does one freak irresponsibly? - You don't even want to know. - Okay, great. Trust me, the information regarding these ships is already out there.

If you, if you dane to go looking for it. - Okay, you told me that there would be an opportunity to talk about hot doctors once again. Contextually inside of this episode. I assume you were talking about Jackie and Jackie

and Dr. LinkedIn. Is that, is that what you want to talk about? - Yeah, her doctor's fucking hot. - I don't know if you heard. Although, not to also make amendments to your list.

that you put on the list. Dr. Ellis, like comforting Mel in the way that she did of like, this is not a conversation. This is a monologue. I mean, it, it, it, it, it, it a lot of the similar notes.

I will say. - I would say the number one, and we don't need to make this recurring bed. And I would say the number one moment in this episode would be Dana chewing out a cop on the phone.

- Oh, sure. - That, that really did it for me. - The egg had returned to body. - But I put it back on the joy front inside of this storyline with Jackie with the CK and Jackie with Q.

- Yeah. - What I really love when LinkedIn is trying to teach her while Santos is like sneering at him. When he asked her about, you know, something about

“tying off a suture or whatever, I believe she repeated”

the lesson that Donnie had like just taught her a couple hours ago, and I just like really liked that. - That's great cash. - It immediate call back. - Also, joy rising.

- Oh my god, what a joy episode.

Identic memory from joy, incredible saved the day.

You were right to call out that Whitaker would not be the guy to get the board. It seems like you got a blurry photo and also a selfie. I don't know how you, like, I understand how one could accidentally take a number of selfies.

But the fact that he got the board and then somehow turned like flipped the camera and together, then get a selfie. - Why thought it was reverse? I thought he clearly had been taking a selfie previously.

accidentally got a blurry selfie of himself. Then got a blurry photo of the board, accomplished nothing. - Do you think he said that selfie to his farm wife? - I really hope not. - I really hope there isn't like a Whitaker thirst trap

of him in the break room when no one was in there for the farm wife, Amy? - Yes. - Sammy, yeah, why guess we don't need to call her farm wife? - We don't know.

- Okay.

“Anything else you want to say about the joy rising”

is what I would like to say. - I will say this, we missed this last week, and it was flagged to us by a listener named Steve with the screenshot of, as, you know, it's being announced that we're shutting all down

of the system, all the technology. Everyone is understandably looking panicked and hairy, down the line, and then you see joy. Looking like it's the happiest day of her life somehow. It's just like the sick joy on her face.

- That's okay. - I mean, I'm just, I, I appreciate her more by the episode.

I'm so glad she finally had just like more to do

and more involvement, and this is maybe her best episode yet. - As, as Ogiley reaches like new levels of villainy inside of the show, cartoonish villainy, I really don't think anyone is this terrible of a person, but we can discuss.

- Let's go back to the very beginning in the episode. The Robbie hand off the, what resentment he feels to Dr. Oh Hashemi for not being, given warning, not being called into that meeting, how do you, you anticipated he would not handle it,

well, how did you feel like he handled it? - I was actually glad they even had this exchange at all, 'cause it's felt like the kind of thing you would get a reaction shot of Robbie, and then would stew for three hours,

and then they would talk about it. So, even the fact that it's out in the open, by Dr. Robbie standards, that's a win. - Healthy communication, Rob said. - At least straightforward communication.

- I will say later in the episode when she's talking about doing, you know, Brooke and Wendy who, in the sudden onset of blindness that you talked about, she's talking about doing an experimental procedure, and he's second guessing her.

He of slicing legs open his second guess door. He's like there's only room for one cowboy, two if my boyfriend Abbott is here, not three. - The town ain't big enough for the two of us. - Exactly, but he gives her a very snide,

like, whatever, your patient, I won't be here for the fallout, which Princess Snickers at, like she really enjoyed it. But I was just like, Robbie shouldn't, shouldn't you be excited about it?

- It's true. - Like these experimental procedures, you love this shit. - I mean, it's a huge moment for Dr. Allashimi.

Again, she of, like, I've never been named in a lawsuit,

and she's willing to go to this like dramatic length with a real risk of something happening with this blood clot medication in order to best suit the urgency of the moment. And again, it's just like there's so many little things

in this episode in terms of how the doctors are responding

“to their patients that I think work really well”

or really poorly depending on how they're framed. Dr. Allashimi somehow pulls together an infographic in real time while all the technology is down. I don't know where that came from. But it's a good way to represent like,

there's a real chance that this either does nothing or you end up worse for it or like you could die just from trying to repair your vision in one eye. And at the same time, she herself is kind of putting herself out there in a way that we know medicinally,

she doesn't really do. - Something I want to, I want to, there's a parallel case that I want to talk about in a second, but I do want to say, on the Dr. Allashimi neurology front, we did get some diagnoses from people.

And I said, in the previous episode, that I would say that for last in case people thought those were spoilers, we had a pretty convincing answer. I think as to what is going on with her, but in case people don't want to know,

we're going to touch that last. But in terms of this idea of presenting realities of a case someone, I think that's more, I mean, I think what you're saying is right, but there's also this like,

what are the sort of brutal realities for Howard inside

which seems to be like a real central piece case

for this episode and perhaps a couple more going forward.

“But the Jackson family, I was really struck by, right?”

Because they get to have this conversation with a woman who's daughter went through what Jackson seems to be going through, which is like in your early 20s and emergence of schizophrenia or bipolar.

I have a couple of friends with bipolar, and I will say that like, I growing up, I thought like a bipolar diagnosis meant like, you know, you could not function, and that is deeply untrue for my friends

who are well, like, on great medication for it. But this dose of reality, where this woman is talking about her daughter, and she says she was studying architecture, now she's a cashier at giant eagle and living at home, and it's struggle, but there's also laughter and love.

But I just really love that because she's presenting and as a like, this isn't the end of the road for your son. There is like a, like, there's a future for him, there's a future for you as a family. But the fact that like, he's in law school,

like perhaps that is not, these are the realities of the diagnosis, which is not, it's over, but it's like, but here is the real path going forward, you know? And as someone who is not a doctor, definitely not a mental health professional.

If our listeners disagree with that, please let us know, but I just, I thought that that was like a really, and you know, that's true for Howard here, the realities of what a surgery would look like for you. Here's the reality of what this medication,

this procedure for the blindness and the eye looks like, of like, we have a solution going forward. It's not an easy one, it's not a miracle. - Yes. - It's Roxy. It's not, you know, what are we gonna do for Roxy?

What can we do for Roxy? And I just thought that that was like an interesting, refracted story on across these various cases.

“- I think especially with this one, with Jackson's parents.”

And yeah, Nicole, the woman you're talking about, who's brought in to like consult with them, bring something to the table that no one in the pit can, which is yes, these doctors and these student doctors and these nurses can tell you about care,

or what happens if it's this diagnosis or that, or kind of like broad strokes what the future might look like. - Right. - What they can't tell you is like, what does it feel like when this happens to your family? And so having someone who can speak so specifically to that,

which is ultimately what they're wondering in that moment, even if they don't fully realize is what they're wondering in that moment, I thought it was just like a great way to kind of proactively answer a lot of their questions.

And like bring something to the table that like Javad is just not gonna be able to do. - Bless, no. - And in conjunction with something of the pit, we've talked about this before,

the pit is always trying to educate us on various things,

as the younger doctors there are being educated, we had homework being educated. And so last week in the case of Alanna, the sexual assault survivor, what are the outside resources?

And similarly in this episode, when we get a baby Jane Doe update, the guy from Peeze is like,

“have you tried C-Y-F, I think, is the acronym right?”

So like what can we do here in the hospital? And then who are the people that we can pull in with very specific kind of resource that helps outside of the diagnosis, the medication, the procedure, the et cetera, et cetera,

and I love the pit for that, I think it's great. - I mean, it's such a bigger network than I think even a lot of us really is. And yeah, the thing that the pit as well is not even just outside the hospital, but within the hospital,

the difference between the EDN Peeze is like, there's a note there, as far as how do we get baby Jane Doe into a room and laying out that she's too healthy to be admitted as like a sick baby, but also risks infecting the other babies, but also there's no parent to take her home

right now, until like the what do you do with that quagmire? Obviously worth digging into.

Sounds like the answer is she's just gonna hang out for a while.

- In tire seasons. - Seems like problem. - Okay, Nikola, Chris Fager. - Home office hospital or not? What brings us more?

- Moment, I checked this cut. - Oh, huh, Home office is winning. Bring them 150 € more a year. - Yeah, right, but why do you know what? - Why?

Why do you need life-answering? That's just the story for all of you. - Yeah, I'm asking if you want to. - Twenty-four seven and unobamten, German. That's just the one who understands us.

- You're right, it's safe. - With this story. Now, customers will try. - Okay. - In terms of what I told you,

I wrote on my notes panic at the discharge. Like, we've got joy, crushing it, Antoine and Larry trying to rise the occasion to tire us. But I loved this for them. These are Antoine and Larry, the like,

med texts have been around in the background both seasons. And here's like a moment for them to just sort of like be a bit more front and center. I love how annoyed Jesse specifically is with them.

And just I looked up how old the actor played Jesse is 47. So I feel like he is someone who could have, like you've got Abbott and Al Hashimi and Robby and Dana

We know how to do this.

“And I think Jesse is in that demo as well.”

- Absolutely.

- Let's get it together, guys.

Of the like, here's how we're gonna handle this. And there's a lot that like, this form goes here and these clipboards go here that like like a most medical jargon on the show. I'm just gonna let wash over me.

It's not my job to know what the abbreviation for. Psych is or whatever it is on the board. - The fourth clipboard rack I simply couldn't tell you. - I cannot. - When they were asking about the medication

and Robby's like, "Make it Nord, "clinical pharmacist." And she's like, "We got you." Like a real like Captain America we got your back moment.

That was bizarre to me. - A goofy ass moment for the pit. - I agree. - Why is she off in the distance? Like can she not get a medium shot?

- You know, it's like every time they talk to where she's across the room for some reason. - Well, I got you back. - Yeah.

Princess Panicking Princess being put in charge

'cause Dana stuck in the room, right? And Princess like, "I did not ask for this." - No one wants Princess to be the charge nurse less than Princess. - Absolutely.

- And we support her. - Our listener Jennifer, who works at emergency management for an undisclosed city, was talking about the realities of planning for cybersecurity and how often times

that this is an increasing part of emergency management planning, which is not something I really fully understood exists with Jennifer says in her moments in her email, nobody knows that my job exists. But that most of the cybersecurity incidents

are about sort of the tech side of it and not this analog side of it. So she said that she like, she said last December we did a cybersecurity focus drill in our emergency operations center with a similar premise.

I was the one pulling out whiteboards and reminding folks that they could still use offline versions of things like word and save them on an individual computer. This is our first time really trying that type of scenario. And the younger folks who are very technology dependent

were definitely lost. This is a highly realistic gap for that to be covering on the show and I love seeing it. So I'm just, I love the idea of like across the country. Drills like this are being run.

- Oh yeah. - And the generational divide is just like widening like crazy. - We hear from so many medical professionals who have been through cyber attacks

at their hospitals who are actively going through them right now as the show is going on. It's like insane that this is just like a fact of life in this line of work. And also we should say like in particular,

we don't know the source of all this,

the origin maybe we'll never know,

maybe it's not really relevant to the show. But the like ransomware attacks on hospitals just like fucking diabolical scum of the earth shit. - Absolutely. Even if the only result is that the hospital

becomes less efficient that day, that will cause people to die. That will have like massive repercussions. So like just really gross. - Absolutely.

How did you feel about the way in which the sort of Santos Al Hashimi AI check in was handled inside of this episode? - I like that Al Hashimi is not just like caught off guard. That she's one of the people who understands

how to go to an analog system.

“Like that adaptability I think is important.”

Otherwise she's just a spokesperson for AI. - Right. - So Santos gets her bar bin. - Yeah. - Al Hashimi has to eat shit a little bit.

- Right. - And then Robby Smurks. - Yeah Robby Smurks everyone gets their moment. And now let me tell you about this weird pronged clipboard system

in which you either pick from these cartoons or those cartoons. - Yeah, it makes sense. All right, let's talk about Howard. So Craig Sheneck is the actor who's playing Howard here.

- I thought he was great too. - He was so good. - Yeah. - I've had two actors to call out this episode and he's one of them.

And like I just thought this was like incredibly well done. With the exception of again, I think Obovie is being asked to be just a lamented level of nast. - Yeah, well walk me through that because I thought this episode gave him a slightly

different kind of cover if that makes sense. He just seems so oblivious to the effects that his words have on other people and like how blunt he's being in a way that some people are. Right, like there's a reasonable explanation

for these things in some cases. And it's like him bringing up the zoo is not intended to be like a shot at Howard. It's like oh, I read about this. And I thought it was important to this conversation.

Like the fact that he's almost naive as the wrong word, but like doesn't understand how blunt he's being.

“I think puts him in a slightly different space”

than maybe like fuck Louis that guy's not alcoholic and he died, you know. - I guess but like as you highlighted before, there's this weird contradiction inside of his character where like sometimes he has social awareness and social skills.

- It's true. - Sometimes when it comes to the caretaking of more vulnerable patients, he's just like vicious. - Oh for sure. - I did think it was interesting to have Dr. McKay

involved in this case because last season, Dr. Collins sort of called out Dr. McKay about some, you know, unexamined fat phobia and sort of her treatment of a patient. So for McKay to be the one sort of like taking that lesson

and passing it on to Ogile V. I thought was like a good threat across seasons.

Obviously phophobia is a thing that exists inside

of the medical world. It's a really important thing to talk about. Even Garcia is like this sidebar conversations that they're having. Like Garcia, who's one of the most blunt people

is like treating this conversation with sensitivity. - With sensitivity. I thought it was really, really interesting. - I think that part of it with Ogile V. is so important to it's like literally every doctor in the room

is saying you can't do this. Like regardless of what you're aware of or not, like you can't do it. It's just like point blank, it's not acceptable. And so that then like it is a learning moment,

I think for Ogile V, we can hope. But yeah, you're right, like even Garcia is like the Frank truths of like the almost like 50, 50 proposition of what surgery would mean. - Exactly.

- And kind of going beat by beat through this episode with Howard and most of these doctors who are in this room are spending almost the whole episode with him. Like that's like an incredible amount of focus from what we usually see on the pit.

- And the roster of who's in the room. - Completely. - It has Robbie's focus on the entire episode. - And it's all about like what is different about Howard circumstances and how he got here

is a crucial part of that formula and him laying out like

this wasn't a thing that happened overnight. This is a life story that brings you into these room on these terms. And then how that affects like he can't flip over

“like a normal patient and that creates risk, right?”

Like he can't go into their CT machine, that creates complications. And so they're just constantly having to come up with work around and I think what I'm most interested in is the way that Howard and that actor plays that.

Like it's almost like he has tears in his eyes the whole episode of-- - Oh, because of the shame. - That's what I'm saying. It's not just the pain but like he's constantly apologizing

and embarrassed and the shame of that. - And we've talked about this before how the pit is done and really good job with this examination of shame and how it can keep people from getting the help that they need in the first place

and how people wind up in the ED because they've let it go to a certain point because of the shame. And so for, again, this performance of this constant apologizing and just like you know and then again,

Dr. Robby's best version of his bedside manner coming through and his reassurance and like this is what we do. We got to, you know, we can handle it. Abbott being like, let's go like we're gonna go on a road trip. Like you know, I just think that I'm really interested

to see how this case develops. At the risk of being glove about the road trip. Howard is a natural with the Speak and Spell iPad situation like on it, cracking jokes, doing the whole thing. Why is there a road trip button on the iPad?

- Here's my question. - Okay. - In all caps, somebody notes it says, excuse me. Where was this machine for heart load? - I had the exact same thought.

- I lost my, here's the thing.

I understand what the pit is trying to do with heart load and I saw some like there's been some really good content going around of people who have experienced but heart load was experienced inside of various institutions. And so they're highlighting a real problem

and a real flaw on the system. And I think that that is important.

“I think it's tough to have in the same episode,”

the resolution of the heart load case next to the very device that could have saved her literal hours inside of ED. I'm baffled by this, honestly. - It's not ideal, it's not the most respectful. And if the pit had wanted to engage with like Harlow

is clearly fluent in ASL but like the reading and writing would be difficult for whatever reason, like that's something that we've gotten lots emails about. Lots of comments about like that you can't just assume clear translation from ASL, the English,

they're not the same thing in any capacity. That's not what the show is doing. - Right. - Clearly, she's able to read Santos' note and so one of two things needed to happen.

Santos needed to sit in the room and actually write down back and forth with Harlow what's happening or bust out the iPad which could have saved this woman so much time and so much pain.

- That being said, how called out did you feel? I mean, I know you've got excellent posture, but how called out did you feel by-- - Oh no. - This is how I use my laptop as I work from home

and I'm on the laptop all the time and my head is constantly bowed down and this is an issue for me. How did you feel about that? - I am not prepared to answer the question of how many hours

are your laptop at this time? - Okay, here's my question.

“Where do we get one of those trigger point injections?”

- We'd love it. - Can we just get a guide? Someone in this spot, if I go off the distance when you walk in everything, shoot me up. - But apparently, apparently, it will be,

the effects will last months. Amazing. - Great. - Give us like a quarterly injection in the trigger point to help us with our tech neck. I would appreciate it.

- Seriously. - Can we talk about Roxy? - I was just about to say. - This is the other actor I wanna call out. - Yeah, I mean, a plot loan that's just been returning

and returning and returning and keeps paying off in all kinds of ways. I think one of the moments in this episode

that Shabana's these delivers when they're talking about who's getting ice cream and who's allowed to have ice cream,

“the question of like, is Roxy allowed to have ice cream?”

She can have anything she wants. And it's like, again, just like the look on Shabana's is face as Javadi in this moment. It's like, my stomach just dropped completely as she said it. And she exchange the briefest look with Roxy afterwards.

And I think one of the reasons this work for me is the pit work so well as drama because every time they walk into a room, some people usually know what's going on and some people don't.

And usually it's the doctors and the nurses are like, we know what this is. Immediately we've got a treat it, we've got a jump and the action, the patients are constantly asking questions. - Right.

- This is one of those cases where like Roxy knows. And everyone else in her family either doesn't know or doesn't want to accept it. And the way that that kind of positions her with the doctors, I just find to be like one of the richest storylines

of this season. - I both really agree and also with a side of slight disagreement, which is another actor I want to call it is John Gets who is playing her father Lloyd. And this is just an actor who I have seen

in a million things since social network.

Zodiac. - Black simple. - Don't tell 'em all the babies in a set, which I've seen one million times. This is a Bay Area.

He's like a San Francisco Bay Area character.

“Like legend, right? So he shows up and I'm like oh shit, right?”

Like this is a casting spoiler for me. And like it's just so just even inside of this episode, the looks that he exchanges with her. - It's true. - I'm gonna cry right now.

There's like one look that they exchange. And then when they say they're gonna take the kids for ice cream, there's a shot. You don't even see his face. You just see Roxy looking at him.

And they just exchange a look for a while. And it's just sort of like, I know. And like the devastation, I burst into tears. The devastation of watching your child. There was something like,

I've been feeling quite emotional about this plot line

with the kids in the first place

and especially the 15 year old, especially the 15 year old. It's been like really, he's like, I don't wanna go for ice cream. Like I don't, you know?

So like he knows some things up, right? He doesn't have all the information. But her dad really felt like he knows exactly what this is which is goodbye and that just like it really hurt my family. It was really, really tough, yeah.

- And it's just like such a slightly different frame of something we have seen on the pit, right? Which is we've seen parents say goodbye to their teenage children of like they held their whole life ahead of them.

And that's a very particular kind of grief. And I mean, they're like even younger children. - For sure. - Absolutely. - Younger children, young kids and babies, even in some instances.

And here it's like, it's not even like harder or anything like that. He just hits in a different way when it's like, Roxie's supposed to have kind of her life on course, right? Like she has her family. She has her life.

She has her kids. Now it's just like the living. And even that is being kind of wrong for her. - I'm not supposed to own her. - I know.

- Yeah. The doctor in double effect was Robbie brings up when McKay and Victoria are asking about this ethical principle of palliative care. Once again, this is the more you know moment from the pit,

but like I did not know about this. And I thought it was like really, and again, this is like a really good Robbie episode. Like the way that no whiley delivers this information, this idea of like, we are gonna treat the pain.

And if in treating the pain, the patient dies,

“he says like sometimes that's the best thing that can happen, right?”

I just, I think the storyline is, this is like what are third episode with Roxie? Something like that. - I think so. - The storyline is being like, parceled out in a really impactful and important way.

And again, really like a real education for people at home, and he thoughts you have on this. - I think especially for the contrast with almost everything else that comes through the ED, which is most of the cases,

if they're like really critical cases,

it's how do we keep this person alive? - Yeah. - And just even the introduction of the idea that like there are things that are worse than death, right? Like there are outcomes here that are worse

and more painful for everybody involved. And it's something that obviously if you work in medicine, you know that it's always fascinating to me, like there've been all these surveys done of doctors who like almost like overwhelmingly,

a lot of people work in medicine, do not like, they want DNRs on their medical record. They do not want to be kept alive in certain states of being. And I think it's just like you've seen so much

of not even Roxie's case, but even other kinds of ones in which people are shells of themselves. And Roxie is feeling that in like slow motion almost, as she's losing mobility. She's losing agency.

And so it's really not a question of how this ends for her. I think like again, some of the people involved clearly know where it's headed, she clearly knows where it's headed. It's just about the how. And how much they listened to her along the way

and kind of what dignity she's afforded in the way that across the ED right now, we see doctors that trying to approach their patients with that sort of respect. - That was very beautifully said.

- I mean, this is the other moment. - Yeah.

“- We've been asking for Emma to have like something a bit more to do.”

And we were not privy to whatever conversations she had with Alana to get her back in the room, but Alana's saying like she's a good nurse. - Yeah. - And Dana being like she's learning, but like you know,

I'm curious what that conversation was and it feels like something a bit more substantive than what we've seen from Emma so far away. - I'm going through the mental gymnastics of, I don't know if I've ever felt this for a TV character

before I'm proud of Emma, I don't know Emma. She's not even a real person, but it's like, because we had been only seeing her be introduced

to new things on the job on her first day here in the pit,

even just knowing that she did that well, even seeing just like the way she leaves the room, which is not just like now it's your time to move on, but this kind of like partying note she has with Alana. I can't help, I can't help but be proud of her in a way.

I don't know, it's a weird thing to say about a fictional character, but here I am. That's really, that's lovely. - Dam was proud of her, too. - Yeah.

- We got a lot of emails from listeners talking about their experiences through something like this on one side or another of the process. I didn't want to read, I'm not going to use anyone's name here,

but I did want to read a part of one of the emails we got. That says Joe mentioned how long an invasive, the FRE seems on the pit and I want to let both of you know

that the pit actually softens how long an invasive,

it actually is, they can last hours, so seeing Dana get through so much of the examination less than an hour was a bit of a fairy tale. So like, for dramatic purposes or whatever the pit is like, we're not going to do this for four episodes,

we're going to do this for like one and a bit. Alana coming back in, Alana rejecting the plan B, but getting all like us hearing like all the things that she's going to have to do the medications that she's going to have to go through

to take care of herself for this thing that was done to her is a huge part of it and of course, Dana's absolute explosion in finding out that the previous kid that she put to be picked up was not picked up and then showing the cop out on the phone.

- That's kind of the counterpoint to like, this is in a lot of ways the best version of this process not just in terms of like the expedited process you're talking about for what can be so much more drawn out and so much more invasive and traumatic,

but even just like having someone like Dana

in the first place, which like I'm glad you were here today,

I made just fucking shut me down right there, but the chaser for that being all of this went in this moment as well as you can ask for the worst day of your life and now you go to the refrigerator and they didn't even pick up the last one.

And it's like it's a huge gut punch and obviously you understand Dana's fury, but it's just like even when the person involved does all the right things,

“theoretically like the systems are still fucked, right?”

Like whether that's this one in particular or the larger things we talk about every week with the show as far as who was allowed in, who's not, who's paying for what and how, like everything is messed up.

And so like all you can do is try to be Dana in this moment and even then you like Dana isn't failing, but the system is failing. People like Alana, if not her. - I think the thing that underlines a lot of what you're talking

about in terms of the doctors and their interactions with patients comes, they said the thing, inside of Samira's interaction with this guy, George who's come in for this test and he's like confesses like actually I didn't even have

the thinly-veiled excuse I usually used to come in. I just kind of wanted to see you and talk to you. And he talks about how she's encouraged him to get out and he's like, I've joined. - Yes.

- What is it? - Lonboiling. - There was Lonboiling.

“Great, community matters, that's what is that here?”

And this idea that for so many of these people for a George or for a Louie who like, you know, our guy digby disappears for a while 'cause he goes into visit with Louie like, there are certain people who don't have the community

that even that Roxy has around her inside of this episode, the Jackson has around inside of this episode. So like this is a thing that the doctor's the pit do as well, which is be the community for the lonely. So Howard's like, you know, I have an estranged sister

that I don't talk to and that's it. And so he's like out here on a wrap by himself inside of this experience. So for Abbott to like turn on the buddy charm for him is like a huge thing that these doctors do

that is above and beyond the simple diagnosis that they do. - I mean, the emotional labor in this kind of work is just off the charts. And that's in addition to, again, the precision they have to work with

in terms of their medicine and their urgency to which at the treat these patients, like, it's fair and completely within bounds that the pit is constantly preoccupied with like who in this ERS PTSD at a given time and who's flaring up 'cause it's like, how could you not

- Samira, you mentioned that she and Ohashi

may have like a sort of where is my career going conversation inside of a very busy day that you were very skeptical of. - I feel like it could have waited till tomorrow. - There are people who do take break. Like for all murder crews, like there are no breaks here,

like Langdon's in the break room, like people are in the break room. - Oh, you know what I mean? - Absolutely take the break, but I don't know if you're this way, but like if we have low stakes, meaningless work in the grand scheme of things.

- When I'm ready for break time, I'm like, I don't want to talk to anybody. I want to sit here and sip my icy beverage, a crispy diet coat. - Yeah.

- Don't even, don't, it can wait. Whatever, it's got going on, I can't wait. - I can't wait. - Foundries up around you, Rob, but I also like it. - Well, that's me when I get home.

“After a three-pod day, and our life is very hard.”

- Yeah, please don't talk to me. I will not be talking to you. - I simply will not. - I woke up this morning, my throat hurts so much, and I was like, "Why?"

I was like, "Oh, maybe five hours of yamoring "into a microphone yesterday." - It's possible. - It's possible. - We'll get you checked out.

We'll get Dr. Mohan in here post-tale. - So much. - She mentioned, so she mentions that she had been part of a study about racial disparity in health care. We saw this in season one with the sickle cell patient

that Samira was like, "Hey, wait a minute, et cetera. "We get a dig in at the Trump White House. "You love to see it." - This is where I wish we had the capacity for this pod to do like a graphic across the bottom of the screen

for livin' out with the pill. - Yeah, livin' out with the pill, baby. - It's a rainbow, some shooting stars. - So all she means, like, geriatric medicine. - Yeah.

- Why not? - I did think this came like a little too close on the tail of her comforting the previous patient. - Guess what? We got a lot to do.

- We did, we got a little bit of an hour's the day. - I did do you want to talk about

“"Javadi and Ogilvie," joining forces for the first time,”

we're not so different in you and I. - Sure. For one, I just really appreciate the way that them despising each other, has led to shockingly good pattern

and good choreography of these scenes, the way in which they just kind of like, wordlessly go their separate ways. I just think like, they play incredibly well. For our character, I like and hate in Ogilvie.

- There was a good comedy bit when they sort of bust into the Jackie-Jackie tongue room right where-- - Don't go in the tongue room. - Yeah. The Jackie-Jackie tongue room is not where you want to go,

but they sort of like, bobbed their heads in. Like, they're the three dudes who do something like that and then also joined, like, looks over, and she's like, "What the hell is going on?" - This is what I'm saying.

Like, it just kind of works with them. - It was like puppies in a basket energy. - Yeah. - I mean, clearly they're aligned as, like, "No, it all's who are stumped by this weird case."

And I gotta say, "Of all the things you've seen in the pit, this is a fucking wild joke." - The full body blister. The full body blister, margarita burn. - Mm-hmm.

- I mean, one is somebody who I appreciate a margarita. Also, if this happened to me, I would be so convinced I was dying. The idea that this is just like you squeeze lines in the sun. - Unreal.

- For first tulikillies and now margaritas

are sort of catching strays from the pit. Really, really tough, I think. Look, I'm here to defend the margaritas. - Of course. - Even just lines.

- Like, do you have a margarita recipe? - I actually don't. - I do a lot of making them myself. I'm more of like, if you're gonna make something at home, I'm more of a sangria kind of situation.

- Okay. - But let's see, let's have it. - My answer is Tommy. Three, two, one. Three parts to Kila.

- Of course. - Obviously. Two parts, triple sac or some kind of margarita quare. And then one part, freshly squeezed and lime juice. - Sorry, freshly squeezed.

- And then you gotta, and then you gotta salt the room. No chemically chemical margarita mix. - And you don't want to bat of anything involved. - I really don't. I really don't.

But that's, that's the vibe. - But I loved this little side quest. And I love the fact that Joy solves it. - I just asked a question. - Literally, like, you nerds right here

talking about fringe cases.

“Why don't you just have one conversation with this guy?”

- All right. Diagnosis boiler corner. If you do not want some medical professionals ideas of what's going on with Dr. Oh Hashimi, now's the time to go.

- Bye. - To be fair, I don't even know that it required medical professionals. I feel like this is one of those like, the breadcrumbs are so strong.

When she's discussing last week, Alshimi and Abbott, about-- - Oh, I don't think it's that. - Oh, you don't think it's that? - Yeah, but you tell me what you think.

- Well, I feel like the lines are being drawn pretty strongly off of that exchange alone. This idea that she was working in this maternity wording couple, like there's real life evidence that maternity ward or one similar to it

was this focus of a targeted terror attack. - Literally that way. - A literal terror attack. And so the idea that she would have in her own way, like a form of PTSD associated with,

like we see her zone out for the first time,

and when she hovers over baby Jane Doe, like that would be kind of tying into whatever she's experiencing and getting treatment. - Okay, a stress trigger. So the diagnosis seems to be absent seizures,

which were once upon a time called petite mall seizures, but now are more accurately called absent seizures. This is a description of them. The person suddenly stops electively

without any warning. It may look like he or she's staring off into space

Eyes may turn upwards as an eyelids flutter.

The seizures will usually last less than 10 to 20 seconds. The person may be momentarily confused for only a few seconds, but then is back to normal. It happens a lot in children, not very often in adults. It's genetic, but in adults can be triggered by stress.

So it could be related to PTSD. - Sure. - On set by PTSD. - Yes. - The fact that she's had a couple today,

“I think is, so it could be the PTSD of a baby Jane Doe,”

like sending her back to this traumatic thing and it happened to her. I don't think the traumatic thing is the inciting incident for this particular case, but that thinking about it could trigger this inside of her,

and then just the stress of the day.

So is the question, can someone with this condition,

even if she's being medicated for it and getting treated for it, can she handle the EDVD? - Yeah. - And so I don't know the answer to that

because I am not a doctor. So, you know, Dr. [email protected] but like, I wouldn't be surprised if it's can I just that, but I don't think it says simple as this is PTSD, so it's a very specific, like medical condition.

- I think the PTSD elements are interesting to me because there's so much overlap with everyone else who works in the pit. And so if you're trying to figure out like, what do these people have in common?

How can Dr. Alashimi feel more connected

“to everyone who went through pit fest to rob himself?”

Like being able to share in the burdens of this kind of work, even if it is tapped into something very specific that she went through with doctors with our borders, that's an interesting storytelling fodder for me. But it's also interesting if it is something genetic

and unavoidable that is like, endemic to her, right? Something that she is bringing to the table that know other doctors. - That's the harsh reality of it,

gives them like all the harsh medical realities is like limiting to our ability to practice this kind of act. - Exactly.

- Which I like, I never want to be, again,

I'm not a doctor, I'm not going to tell her, but like, I never want to be someone who says, you can't do this, you're not suited for this, but that is something that the pit is just sometimes, these are the realities of this medical condition.

- It's not even in a judgmental way. It's just like this may not be it for you in the same way that it might not be it for some medical students who come through. It's like you're suited for it or you're not.

“And I think there were enough early nods too”

from Robbie as far as the environment she was coming through, coming from Dr. Lashimi at the VA, was not an equivalent situation. - Right. - It was not a surgical context for one.

- Correct. - And so the idea that she's coming into something completely new, that she's being like stretched in a way that she's not necessarily used to. - And a little haze to buy Robbie.

- Clearly. - Yeah. - And so this has been a terrible initiation for Dr. Lashimi and incredibly stressful environment, but it's also something that it seems like she's figuring

out if she's cut out for this or not. - Well, that's this episode of the pit. - We did it. - Thank you so much. We'll see folks for the industry finale.

Later next week. - Can't believe it. - Meanwhile the pit finale so much. - August months away. - Years away.

- Now we'll be there for a while. No cliffhanger really this week. Just didn't Robbie regarding the chaos. - You know what though? I did love the chaos.

- Yeah. - One of those things is harder to shoot than you think. - Oh yeah. - Very naturally go freak out about printer paper. I don't think actors are usually very good at that,

but I like this one a lot. - Yeah. John Cameron is the director of this episode. He directed Fargo, Legion, and you know where your princess and hercules

so he's been out for a while. - Take care. - That's all. - We'll see you soon. (upbeat music)