‘Tropic Thunder’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Van Lathan, and Joel Anderson

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“Should I be offended that we're not doing it at your house?”

We're nothing for it, my house.

We're starting already. I'm just saying. Van told me that when they do it at your house, it's three only at the house. We're at the bumps up there.

We're going to be at the base. We'll see. We'll see. We're going to have to be here. You know what I'm saying?

We could have put in black face. That's true. Wait, don't fall. I can't have it. I can't.

Come on, let's go later. Joe, okay, later. I'm glad to be here. I'm very grateful. I have a lot of gratitude for her.

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What do you think ended it? Was it social media?

“Was it like the kind of the open of the town square of discourse and criticism or was it?”

These guys all get too big. And you can't mess with the money that much. Like, what is it? There's it was happening everywhere. Because I felt like it was happening with TV, too.

Right? Because he's found a dance push. Sure. The same time late 2000. I mean, you know what?

Some of the stuff that we're talking about is pushing the envelope is pushing the envelope in terms of how zany and daring the comedy is. This is different though. Yes. Like, this is legitimately hitting at what some people would say our marginalized communities,

Special disabilities, especially on these people should I say black people, gay people. They're weird. They're weird. They're not a fucking Hong Kong. There's not a lot of movies in this run that you guys are talking about that go for it.

Something about Mary is definitely one of them. Yeah. Definitely one of them. But they're not that many movies that go directly where propaganda goes.

“Can you get credibility though when you have this many stars and proven people on it?”

Did they get to push the envelope more at that point? I guess it depends on who you get credibility with, right? Because like Tom Cruise been still there, like all of these Jack Black. They have credibility with people down. Yeah.

They have credibility with a certain kind of comedy community. But again, by the time we start getting to the height of Twitter, like 2013, 2014, I don't even think they would be able to pull that off with them. Like I don't think people would buy that shit from Robert Downey Jenner. And when you think about the fact that this is the same year Iron Man comes out.

So this is the sort of completion of his Renaissance, you know, his career revival. But he's not that far into becoming an insurable actor again when he does this. Which on the one hand is crazy that he did it. But on the other hand it makes sense because you're like, he wouldn't do this today. You know, I don't think anybody in this movie would do tropic thunder today.

Not because of like necessarily the content, it's too big of a gamble. That's different from since I saw interview he did from like 2020 to 2021. He said, well, I don't already read it. Something like that. Yeah, I do a prep.

I told him to. He didn't say I wouldn't do it again. He didn't say I wouldn't do it again. He said, I don't regret it basically.

“I think that they had a pretty serious, like intellectual reasoning behind the Kirk character,”

which is obviously like the one that's like the thing that you'd be like, could you pull that off today? Well, I like some of the quotes that Stiller had about it. It's just like, look, we're making fun of actors and how movies are made. And this is like the end degree of all of this stuff.

Yeah. You're just taking as far as we can go. But that's the whole point in the movie. You're either with us or you're not. You know, I have this in what's the most 2008 thing about the movie.

We were still in the era to wear funny one. I agree. If it was funny, then people would there would be a certain group of people that would have an issue in it, a problem that we would have conversations.

But if it was funny, that was the most important thing.

Everybody kind of got the joke together. Yeah. And if it worked that way, then it was cool. Now obviously we came out of that, right? We came out of that partly because Hollywood pushes out of it.

There were several gracious things that happened in the 2010s. Like, you know, cast in Scarlett Johansson and goes in the show. Like cast in movies with white men, whatever one went. No, we need to have a conversation about the racial dynamics and politics that exist in Hollywood. And that kind of overshadowed a lot of the other stuff.

But at this point, it was still like, if you went to this movie and you laughed at that character, that was enough. Craig has a theory. Now here we go. I'm sorry. What was your last word?

When did you think the last funny comedy was? Did we say this is the end of the movie? This is the end was the end. Neighbors of that era. Neighbors right after.

Neighbors technically came after, but it's that like 2014 range.

I think it's mostly because, like, I think this movie is a great example of t...

They were all in their early 40s at this point.

They were at the peak of their powers. It was kind of like apex mountain for what can we get away with.

“And I think this is the end was the same thing for the Seth Rogan crew.”

They were all kind of reaching 40 years old. They have kind of done everything. Like, all right, what's one last thing we can get away with? And then there was no new group that came up below those guys, which is why I think there's no traffic funders or this is the ends now.

Because, like, no group really, like, supplanted them and came after them. And then 2017 things changed, you know, culture got different. Yeah. Yeah. The end is the 2010s.

What culture changed for me? There was also, there was a massive, massive sea change in Hollywood, which is a lot of the people and several people in this movie, especially Downey, sort of participating in Marvel and in large scale superhero franchises. And you can't really fuck with the money on those.

Like, the next tropic thunder should have been about Marvel movies. Right. You do, like, I can't believe we're on movie 11 of this. And you would have all the fake trailers and the documentaries. And the boys does that a little bit.

It does a little bit, but not in a, this is a movie. And there was an HBO show, like, a year or two ago that kind of came and went. That was a little bit about this. But it's, it's, traffic thunder can make fun of something. And you can be conversant in platoon and apocalypse now.

And be like, this is so funny, the way they're making fun of this. But even if you haven't seen it, you still laugh at some of the things that are happening. Yeah.

“Traffic thunder, too, is like, scorcher eight thing, right?”

Yeah. I have a lot of scorcher questions coming in.

I think I would have seen at least the first two in the theater.

But I'm not sure at all that was. So this was one of the most successful Hollywood parody movies I think ever. Yeah. When we talk about big picture, the player network, what else is in there? And network.

Where they, what were really flared? I was really down. There was really bad one called Burn Hallywood Burn. It has some people in it. I think at this point now, it's like the studio.

The studio's the best. It's something of more. The studio I think probably was influenced by this. You mentioned the business. Oh, yeah.

The Kevin Bacon one, right? Oh, that's another big picture. That's a big big picture. Yeah. Kevin Bacon.

Yeah. Sure. Some of them are sharks. Was that one of them? Yeah, that was the agent.

There's been a couple of like agent. But they can know what you also have around this same time as you have on to rush. Yeah. And on to rush is legitimately another thing that pushes it so far with some of the stuff that's happening that you probably couldn't do now, which is another reason why maybe that movie was like not well received when it came out. But on to rush is kind of doing the same thing at the same time.

You know, when we were doing Ghostbusters and we were kind of going through the montage that they have the fame montage. And you were like, this is just the fucking best. Like I love the 80s. This was so great. 84.

Do you feel that way about oh eight?

“Like when you're watching on-trash or you're watching traffic thunder, stuff from back then, are you ever like oh eight was the best man?”

It just. Housing pretty much. Oh, yeah. He's a pretty social media though. Yeah.

You guys, this is hard for Bill to talk about because he's because he's walking a line. He's got to be sensitive to the concerns of the people now. But at the same time, that was your era. Doc in the big three. That was your own sign on the title.

That was your era. Yes. Sarah. Sarah. Sarah.

Sarah. Oh, Sarah. Oh, I loved about oh eight. Oh, bomb. Can't the bomb.

Yeah. I mean, he was he was he was he was he was he was I think it was like, it wasn't the last good year. But it was like the last it was like the last year that everything didn't seem headed for it downward trajectory. It was not so that was enough distance from 9/11. And it just felt like that there was a hopefulness.

I think as we headed into late 2000s that now seems like it happened a million years ago. This movie had benefited from being in08 because there was no like out of context commentary on it. Like you had to go see the movie to really know what was in the movie. And if it came out now, there would just be clips and screenshots. And it would just get destroyed before people even went to go see it.

Yeah. Yeah. That is true.

Throughout the mid 20 we always still having a lot of fun 2015 2014 2016 like I met TMZ going crazy.

Right. I'm still having a lot of fun. What do you mean? What are we having? We're going nuts.

We're going nuts in the city. Go nuts in the city. You're going nuts. You're going nuts, right? You're trying to play.

You're trying to play. But in this with this movie with these types of movies like a lot of stuff happened. First of all, some of these guys not necessarily so much in this movie. But like, some of these guys started getting in trouble. Like, there's a comedy purge that happens once the me-to movie comes out and you're starting

To see the way some of these guys not necessarily in this movie.

What around the way they acted in their personal lives.

“And really that ripped the heart out of like what a lot of, I'm not saying that that was a bad thing.”

I'm just saying you legitimately lost some of these careers when we're talking about some of these comedy dudes. Like, they didn't even last throughout the scrutiny of the mid to late 2010s. You know, it was able to avoid this entire time was Larry David with curb.

He was always able to push the envelope on whatever he wanted.

And then even after everything else changed, he's still cut cracking out seasons. And so he even made seasons this decade. And almost seemed like he got a hall pass for it. Well, some people get hall passes. It's like, Barclad.

There's a hall pass element to it. But I think that the thing is crucial. This is if you're going to make fun of other groups of people or basically anybody else. And this is what this movie actually does do. You have to be the body of the joke.

And Larry is always the most awkward, difficult, funniest person on curb. Like, no matter who he's making fun of. Larry is always the one, you're like, I can't believe this guy needs a napkin. That bad that he's going to do. And Larry is losing.

And still are and downy and jack black. Like, yeah, they get a moment of heroism at the end.

But the people who are most worthy of ridicule on this movie are the, are the stars in the movie.

Right. Yeah, man. It's just a bit because I was thinking about the Palestinian chicken episode. Right.

“And it was like, yo, like, I think he actually could still do that today though.”

I think I don't know. I mean, again, I don't work in Hollywood. You know, San, this is one of my few times out here at LA. But I was kind of feel like they still don't look like that. Well, that's felt like I just throw a little energy.

No. Just let me finish. Just let me finish. Should we go? Yeah.

But no, I don't think this is that you could still do that. I mean, I think that the same kind of comedy that prevails and tropic thunder is still out there. You can find it on the internet or wherever it's just not. You know, a big Hollywood, it might be a big Hollywood movie or whatever. But you can still find people doing black face and walking up on people calling them niggas.

That was, you know, Chuck the building. Chuck the building. Chuck the building. Well, that's different. Actually, we'll talk about it.

Oh, yeah. Sorry. That's okay. I am so. The built like the Joel said the in-work with the R and it builds brain.

It's like. It's like, oh, I'm sorry. I just find Joel down a safe space to give us a. Build a different sweatshirt. There's like, that's a line from the departed.

Like I should have that permission to do. You do. It's a shit off. I forgot what I was going to say. I know you did.

I had a good point. I'll remember how far from now. So it's making fun of two different genres. Yeah. All these Vietnam movies we grew up watching.

Yeah. And then all of these Oscar bait movies that I just feel like pre-social media. We're all making fun of this stuff. And you might see it in essays and blog posts and whatever. But I don't feel like we made fun of some of this stuff enough.

Like, have you ever seen I am Sam? Like some of these ones? Yes. These are like like regarding Henry.

We've always talked about for dramas that are not common these month.

But all these actors that couldn't resist. And then when it would hit on force gum. Then the next actor would feel like they had to do some sort of, you know, Oscar bait movie. But I always love that this movie made fun of that. And the Vietnam stuff is like, I kind of think about the scene in Toronto, man.

“So when Clarence Warley is like, man, did you make coming home in a body bag?”

That's what made them look amazing. It's like, this is almost making fun more coming home in a body bag. That it is like the deer hunter, you know? And coming home in a body bag is a fictional movie from Toronto, man. But in a lot of Oma's stuff that you know, if you're like a diehard fan of all this stuff.

Like, even stillers character starting to lose it. And at the end and thinking that it has what's his son. He's got his people. And he says, it's basically a pop-ups now, right? But it's, they're not blatant hitting your head with that.

You have to kind of know. One thing that social media did was it allowed everyone to run to their corners. Coal less around each other. And then four things to get offended about, right? And I'm not saying that.

Oh, no. No. I'm not saying people to work. I'm saying like, even like right now, like the film bro community. Like they get offended about stuff like this movie is legitimately making fun of the culture of the Oscars.

Yeah. Of the culture of serious filmmaking being an endeavor that is completely cynical. This movie is making fun of that. Yeah.

Hanks is in a wheelchair with his arm.

Like he wants some sort of wheelchair race.

Right. Who's it up right now? It's up right now. That's a black guy. That's a black guy.

And John Voigt, right? John Voigt. And then Toby McGuire in the Satan's alley, which I don't know. It's pretty great. So like what I'm saying is like now,

there is a holy grail to some of this stuff. There would be people that would be offended by some of this that think, you know, the Oscars now, the conversation around it because of podcast and all that stuff. It's just more different and robust than even I remember it from before. It's like a, it's a the biggest part of somebody's here.

Yeah.

“I think Oscarology was more of a niche pursuit.”

And now it's not uncommon. I mean, maybe we have bias because we live in Los Angeles and it comes up a lot. But like, you'll hear people be like, oh, I heard that movie has a really good shot in the Oscar. Right. That was the dialogue.

That kind of started in the 90s and got even better in 2000s. I as a movie fan, especially somebody in a legal cable box for years and years. So as much on these movies was offended by how bad some of the movies are. You said you had a what? And legal cable box.

Don't try to lie down for years in a legal cable. But guy like you're Jim. Yeah. Don't try to figure out. We paid me out of come over.

He's souped up our box. Yeah. Get out of the paper, get over my channel. Why am I for you? This is amazing.

This is interesting. I loved it.

I've never heard you talk about your criminal exploits on any talk about it.

I've talked about it. Yeah. Yeah. I've talked about it. I thought maybe you was doing it.

Because we had a younger person. I used to tell him about like you switched the channels back and forth. Really fast. Yeah. To get skin imagine.

What's have you committed? I can't really talk about it.

“This is my favorite crime I ever committed because”

who would be the pay per views. They would be just on every two hours. So these movies come on like patch atoms. And they would just be on on channel. Whatever.

And you'd be like, what the fuck were they doing? How did anyone? What dreams may come with Rob Williams? I'll keep them. Yeah.

You like that movie? Yes. I am Sam. Like they would just make shit movies. You're about to wear you.

Oh, yeah. Who are radios based on a real person though? You know? Somebody. I'm a radios.

Somebody. Somebody. Somebody. Somebody. Somebody.

Also remember. Serious movies at a time were about serious topics. And sometimes somebody's. But when you somebody's like, they don't fit into society for whatever reason. They're having trouble.

That was a serious topic. But this started in TV in the. Really the late 70s, early 80s with the after school specials. And different strokes. Yeah.

Yeah. They just sent me one today about the time Arnold that his buddy were on the street. And somebody has less to do with that kid. Not him. Less than one.

You got to get a seizure in front of them. And this lady just has a seizure. Oh. I have a sense. It was a special episode about seizures.

I know you're going to remember this. This is how you learned about stuff. Do you remember. Uh. The Ben Affleck.

When he was taking steroids. As much as the one day. Oh. Oh. You got to remember.

What about who? Yeah. Yeah. But that's how we did about this stuff. And then eventually it drifted into movies and better shows.

But still. Um. The actors in this.

So we've been still or wrapping an incredible revenue run.

As comedy leading man which recovered in. In the. There's something for by Mary. Jack Black at a really weird point in his career trying to stay on top.

“King Kong 2005 holiday 2006, which I think has been.”

Had a lot of legs. He did the tenacious D movie. Did Margo the wedding in 2007. Yeah. Kind of like a my comedy actor.

What am I. So he's at that point. Uh, and then down he is CR mentioned putting together his comeback of Zodiac. Tropic Thunder Iron Man. We're all the sudden he's an A plus plus list.

Yeah. It's starting to finally happen in front of him. Pick off after kiss kiss bang bang is sort of like, hey, I can be bonded. I forgot how close that was to the time that he had been in prison. Yeah.

And then couldn't get in short. Right. That was it. That because that was the thing up to a point. I think probably when I saw this movie, I thought of Robert Downey Jr. So that was the junkie. Yeah.

I mean, that was a problem. That was what he was. That was what all the stores were. Yeah. McConaughey.

Don't. Trying to hang on to the meal list. He was in a movie after this movie. He does fool's gold. Surfered dude.

Ghosts of girlfriend's past Lincoln lawyer. Like it's not going well. Well, the Lincoln lawyer is a good movie. But it does. It comes on the heels of that.

Isn't it a good movie? All right. Yeah. I think the only one is a good movie. Like it's a good movie.

Yeah. I think it's a good movie. I don't know if I don't remember. I don't remember. I think it's fine.

It's a good movie. Yeah. It's actually a pretty enjoyable front. But it's like him kind of getting his footing back. Because he is flirting with obscurity during this time.

Yeah. Like, like, after Sahara. Yeah. Yeah. A couple of rom-coms that went sideways.

Don't know what to do with them. And then in the next decade, obviously Dallas Bars club in a stellar detective.

All of these things are going to bring him back.

But him in this movie right now is him.

This is one of the people.

“The actual start of the McConaughey song.”

So mostly people think it's magic Mike. Matt Dallas Fire's club. Wolf of Wall Street. True detective interstellar in some order. No, it says.

But I actually think it's this and Eastbound are like kind of like. Like, they're like, Oh, this guy has like a whole other gear that he can play with. And also. He was too for the money. And he also is crucially.

Yes. He's like, I'll play a supporting part. Yeah. Like, I don't have to weed everything I've been. It's probably he's like a gentleman on that.

Joel plays supporting part. Just a line as one of the four. Yeah. All I got to do is get some rebounds. Yeah.

That's a couple of picks. Yeah. And I listen to church. That's Joel pockets. Yeah.

But she kind of listened to the tellers. Joel is out there every day. I'm a role player. Like, Yokeach put no rebound on the system. That's the big board I come for.

Exactly. Let me tell you when we would the roles both everybody's coming up the van in the motherfucking man. I was like, I just feel to be famous. All right. Let's move people.

Okay. Tom. Tom. We more on my kind of head later. Tom Cruise.

He's at another crazy point. Yeah. We're three years after Oprah sofa. We're in the middle of the Katie Holmes. Weirdness.

We're with that weird Scientology interview he did. We have paramount dumping him. And he's about to follow this up with Valkyrie at night and day. Okay. I asked a question about whether we look back at this.

In O.A. There was a part of me that was like, is less gross than kind of cringy. Not because like I didn't like the character, but it was like he's trying really, really hard in this moment. Like, no.

So when I first saw this movie, this is the first movie I ever went to a screen you know.

It's trumpet thunder. It's my first screening ever that I ever went to. You took Sasha Grey. Oh, no. No, no, no, no.

No, no. She's there. Some people that like pass. She's at places. Oh, I'm just, I almost forgot what I was about to say.

Oh, but I'm serious. Because this is one shot of screening. She's in like a. Can I just go back to the screen? Yeah.

So why actually want to start. Great. Yeah. But it's like he's still. So like this is the first screening ever.

This is going to sound so crazy. Yeah. Not to the end. So it was him. Yeah.

That's a recruitment. Some of the recent. A lot of people didn't know. I was crazy. I did not know it was him.

And then guy Tim Wells, producer, I was working with Tom. Go, stay watch this. Because he really. And it's like Tom. I'm like, what the shit?

And I thought to myself that exact same thing.

“Even back then I'm like, why did he show up in this?”

But he was so universally reviled at that point. Yeah. Like, it's so difficult for people. I think the two biggest comeback stories in modern Hollywood memory. Or both in this movie, Robert Downey Jr.

And Tom Cruise. I think Trouble. Trouble. Absolutely. Yeah.

Right. That's actually a great point. But like, so three. But like, he was so universally. Okay.

The weird guy shut up. He used universally. He did some good stuff. He did some good stuff. Yeah.

He did some. Got some. Got some. I mean, man. He was a correspondent on the camp.

Did you know who advocated for him? That's the Rose Ball. We're going in there and just making sure that OJ Simpson is in the role. It just would be absurd if you went to the Rose Ball Hall of Fame. And you did mention OJ.

That's what I thought. That's what I thought. That's what I thought. That's what I thought. That's fair.

Okay. This one. And he was listening there among the people. And they're there. But I think that's fair.

But I also think it's kind of interesting to walk into the role. The Hall of Fame and the first thing you say is, "Where's OJ?"

“I think what he said is true about all those.”

No, you'd think I did. It was good. So you saw screening had no idea it was Tom Cruise, which was most people. Did you know Tom Cruise was in this when he saw it? That's hard for me to remember in 2008.

But I watched it with Liz who had never seen this movie.

And she did not know it was Cruise until halfway through the movie. I said, "You know that's Tom Cruise, right?" It was like what? Yes. It's really good makeup.

And it's physically, it just doesn't seem like a movie. They also kept it in fridge up. They also kept it in fridge up. For emotional materials. They did like, they were days.

I think they sued like a tabloid for taking pictures of him going from like a trailer to the set. But there was a moment there where like, maybe it's more like after the movie came out, where I felt like he was obviously not a trained comedian because he was like overworking the joke a little bit.

And it felt like for a second you could get him to show up as less gross men. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like less gross men was available. It's not like.

Yeah. I think he was just happy. He was like, yeah. Yeah. He did it.

Yeah. We tried it for way more. It kind of didn't work that well. But he was just happy that people were like, "Oh, that's Tom Cruise." I thought instead of being reviled.

I thought more than anything, people thought he was weird. You know? That's more than that's different than being reviled.

It could be like, "I don't know.

The Katie Holmes thing, I think. The Katie Holmes thing. But also the Matt Lauer. Oh, he's winning was yelling at Matt Lauer. But yelling at Matt Lauer, the whole deal.

Like people were like, "This guy's an asshole. But what does he talk about? He's too far going like." Here about dumping his deal was was a pretty crazy thing to think back up. And the Spielberg breakup had happened a couple of years before that too.

And then the last one in this. It's a little bit naughty. Former A-Lester from the '70s and '80s. Most normally play Jack Hades. How was he still alive?

I mean, he'd seem like the guy that should have died at like '67.

“I think he's the only one that they had to replace on SNL.”

And he was guess that that was when the famous Eddie Guy episode. Because Nick would just party too hard. The crazy thing is he doesn't look that much older and crime 101 that he did in tropic thunder. Like it's basically like he hit old age and it's been there. An amazing run from him.

It's one of those that when he dies, nobody's gonna be like, "What? No!" He's worn his career. I mean, even we were talking about Downey. I mean, he had gotten arrested like a bunch of fucking times.

Like one leading into this too. And I was just kind of, you just kind of expected that. Like, I felt like he and Gary Bucy were kind of like the same person to me a little bit.

It was like, "Oh, those are the old guys from the 80s who are always getting DUIs."

Yeah, you know what there was like a weird thing talking about the difference between now and 08. There was more of a distance. I feel like with celebrity then. So like when Downey would get arrested, you'd be like, "Oh." And then you kind of keep it moving.

But now it would be like what the first pod down he's gonna go on after this. And like people writing these personal posts about it, but yeah. You would never be able to get a word out of that. There would always come on. I would say I would say that there was something about Robert Downey Jr at that time.

No. All of the trouble that he was having. Like Hollywood was mourning it. Yeah. Like Hollywood was like Hollywood was mourning it.

He had been around for so long. Yeah, it's going back to like weird science and the pickup artists and all of these movies. He and Chaplin and then he's in the James toe back movie. He starts to get into the weird indie thing at the end of the 90s. Then he comes out on Allie McBill.

And it's like, "Oh my God, he might be back." But then he can't stay straight for that. People were really sad for whatever reason you could tell even in the table is where they were covered. How well-liked he was. And they were happy when he got it together.

Yeah. Like when he got straight and came back and delivered an Iron Man, delivered an Zodiac, delivered in this. People were, they rolled out the red carpet. I'm just going to see Downey and U.S. Marshals every couple of years. Yeah.

And it would be like, "Oh man, that guy could have been a contender." It was almost like an athlete. Yeah. Well, you think of like, "Oh man, Kenny Anderson." Yeah.

Like in the shit together, she managed to do that.

“Because like how many of those did we have in basketball?”

It was basketball. Over the years, do I good in? Yeah. I was the man. You're worse.

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Bend Stower is tug speedman. Hit a big with the scorcher franchise. They made six. I was good to this later. Let's do it now.

What's scorcher about? What's happening in scorcher is that like a global warming.

They tell you in the first trailer.

The earth has stopped spinning. So it's scorcher. The earth has stopped spinning. So because the earth has stopped spinning. I guess volcanoes and atmospheres.

Like a day after tomorrow kind of basically. But he's like, he's like, commando. He's like, he's like, he's a commando. Who is saving people in this post-apocalyptic deal. The earth has become a scorcher and it's destroyed.

So each sequel, it's still the same premise. The earth has still been called. Yeah, right.

“I think the last one was like, it was like a cooler.”

I honestly not against the premise. Like I would at least give one. If it was Gerard Butler and scorcher. I'm like not not pay per viewing that. I did not know what that movie Greenland was.

Okay. I did not know what it was. You think it was scorcher? I was going to the movies.

Greenland, I watched for the first time Saturday.

That is legitimately a fucking good movie. But where does it mean that? Literally a good movie. I've fed the Greenland to be courteous. Watching this try to get on us.

Playing the whole night. It's legitimately a good movie.

He Joel, he went serious after all the scorcher.

He's one of the biggest star in the world.

And ended up playing simple Jack. A special needs farm boy who can talk to you in a nice. I feel like we got to do cops, right? Who do you think he has? He's talking to us.

He's talking to us. I think it's Cruz? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Cruz had all the prestige. No, no, no, no, no.

“I think the reason why Tom Cruz is in this movie is because he thinks it's funny.”

That stiller is doing a roof off of him because stiller had been doing a Tom Cruz. Stiller than the whole crew's turn. And he had done the like, I'm Tom Cruz's stunt double thing. Yeah, he's definitely Tom Cruz. I thought it was like a cross between the movie and the mission impossible and like,

Stallone just trying to keep the rainbow going crossed with none other Hollywood. Well, and also those guys would often make now, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't think did something like simple Jack, but they would everyone sort of while make a family movie. Like, what the fuck are you doing? And your John Claude Van Damme. Is there a world where simple Jack could have worked?

Like, was down here? I think Lazarus lays out half of Lazarus's life. I think simple Jack needed a special film.

Yeah, he needs to be good at black.

Just be good talk to farm animals. That's become an asset on farm. I'm the thing I was just trying to determine. Is for his company that far off simple Jack or not? Like, I couldn't tell.

Like, good at ping pong. Good at ping pong. You can talk to the president. Right. For sure.

Charles Richard Nixon, yeah. Started a running movement. Right. So sculpture six global meltdown was supposed to be the comeback. Yeah.

I like that title too. All right. So that's him. Then we have Jack Black as Jeff Portnoy. A movie comic star with a stealth heroine problem.

I would describe to him as Adam Sandler, crossed with later career, a Murphy crossed with late 70s bullushi. And farly, maybe farly. Yeah.

Recently, the star of the fatties fart too. I absolutely have seen this with both of my kids. The fatties and the fatties fart too. I was sure you would imagine it. It sounds great.

It's been really, really, really. Ben Simmons is level of interest in fatties. Over tropic thunder would have been like off the charts. No question we would have owned it on multiple platforms. Streaming DVD.

Great idea. Still time. The white nutty professor. Yep. Robert Downey Jr.

Kirk Lazarus, Australia and method actor. Yeah. Five-time Oscar winner. That would be the record, by the way. It would be...

Yeah. Every time they made him the all-time leading Oscar winner. Star of Satan's Alley. And then also played Neil Armstrong and Moonshot.

We never had a friend out with him.

What was the premise of Moonshot? I don't know. Yeah. It's really like he had to reacculate himself to the earth's atmosphere. Yeah.

Coming back from that. And he's supposed to be a combination of Russell Crowe, Conferal, and Dundee Lewis. It felt like a lot of Russell Crowe. Yeah.

Well, he was supposed to be Irish in some of the resources. He was the character was supposed to be Irish. No, I can do Australia. I had controversial pigmentation alterations.

“I think this is the shadow of them in the operating room.”

We just like, yeah. Steve Kicking plays director Damian Cockburn. Yeah. The director of Trappet Thunder. I guess in the research it said,

this was inspired by director Richard Stan. These experienced directing the island of Dr. Murrow. Yeah. I believe that I've wanted to do so. Do you watch Raines?

Did you watch Raines of Madness? The Hearts of Darkness of Trappet Thunder? Yeah. Yeah. So there's more Damian in that.

And he talks about how he was a 50% Werner Herzog. 50% Francis Copeland. 50% Peter Bogdanovich. Oh, yeah. And he's like, well.

That was a significant percentage. Uh. You guys in an island of Dr. Murrow? A lot of generals of movie. What do you mean?

It's like Marlon Brando. It's just that movie. How fucking crazy it is? Yeah. That's.

I love late stage Brando. I'll see. I'm makes fun of me because I made it a gimmick with a grandland with the island of Dr. Symbo. Yeah.

I was the most interesting one for the comic. Oh, I can't remember what was it. It was just like a hotgepotch mailback that I named after the Dr. Murrow movie because I was the only one that liked it. But that was another one with Big House cable box.

We were just watching it over and over again. And after like nine times, he kind of got it. Yeah. I understand what they were trying to do. Right.

Come with me. Come with me. And the movie is the problem. I blame. That was one reveal.

There would be a grandland like Bill come up with a gimmick and then walk off and then it would be up to us to kind of see it. But like he would be like 93 days until the NBA season. Let's do a post every day about counting it down. And then he comes back like day 61.

He's like, oh, you guys are still doing that. We're like, what the fuck are we going to say? It's honest. Well, we did that.

“Remember for the, we did that for NFL, right?”

Because we had two sports in a lockout. Yes. So we had to start doing a countdown to when we're going to actually get sports.

Yeah.

Set times.

Nick Nolty as four leaf playback.

Okay. David McBride is Cody underwood. Big McBride run here. Yeah. Not rod pineapple thunder.

He's bound on three years. He's just in our lives. So real. Yeah. When he's about to do the explosives.

Front. He's like, Damian. Damian. I need to put some tiger ball.

“It's like, he's, he is really like, you can tell the vibrations coming off”

him that he's like a significant. He's going to lose that. Craig did we. We have enough all NBA teams that MVP ballots for him over the year. He's gone with 2000s.

I never became a star. Yeah. Could it go. We're going to start. He became a, to me became like a force.

Yeah. Like a force. Not like a. I mean, he was not an ace. We're like, well, he was going to HBO show.

I know. Yeah. HBO shows. And then also creatively because he was the creative force behind a lot of this stuff. And stuff like that.

To me, it got to a point to where he was the most. He was the most consistently funny line reader in the town. For sure. Like he said a line, the line was funny. That was this is the end was his end.

Yeah. Yeah. He, like everybody else is talking what he talks. You last.

First he's going to be spending down his same time.

Yeah. Yeah.

“You know, the problem was is that when you would see him outside of that arena.”

And like if you if you watch Prometheus and Danny McBride's in free from or you could. You could wrap your head around it. You're just like, yo, man. Like when is he going to do Kenny Powell and it's almost like too much.

Yeah. I don't know where he ranks up in the funniest people of the 21st century for me. But I don't know. I don't think he just. I mean, you are like top three.

I mean, pound for pound. He's number one. I don't think he's out of the top 10. I don't think he's out of the top 10. I don't think he's out of the top 10.

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“I don't think he's out of the bottom 10.”

I don't think he's out of the bottom 10. I don't think he's out of the bottom 10. I think he's actually really good. I thought he goes toe to toe with everybody in the movie and he's good. He also was a business man with the bust and nut candy bars.

I think he's actually really good. I thought he goes toe to toe with everybody in the movie and he's good. He also was a business man with the bust and nut candy bars. I don't think he's out of the bottom 10. I don't think he's out of the bottom 10.

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“I was thinking it because I think Solman was one of the first movies I saw on VHS tape.”

And we got it from Blockbuster. And at the time, I don't remember thinking it was all that offensive. My parents loved that movie. It wasn't bad. I was the first one.

I was the first one. I'm 46. I'm telling you, my parents loved that movie. They loved it. We will watch the movie.

I remember as I got older. You know, I was like, one day I was like, "What the heck?" I was like, "What the heck is this?" This is fucked up. Now here's the deal.

It's interesting that he would take a shot at Solman. We'll talk more about Solman later. Because even in Solman, the movie is attempting in a really, really fucked up way to make a commentary or a critique on race.

The movie is attempting to land pulled someone that would make fun of somebody that would go that far. And use something intending to help black people to help themselves. And the movie is an exploration about

what that character kind of learns about black people by doing this really stupid silly thing. But you just can't talk about this with the distress. I don't think you can find it. I don't think it's only a dream.

I can't imagine that the case with the way that 4Ks and 2Ks are now.

Well, I'm sure Sean probably got to find that.

Sean's got this special shot. Sean's got it from New Zealand. Sean's about movies. So they would talk about Solman. I vaguely remember what happens.

“But wasn't he got a scholarship at Harvard.”

But it turns out Ray Don Chong should've gotten the scholarship. Now she's putting herself through. He could pay for it. Yeah.

He couldn't pay for it. But he took it from Ray Don Chong. He got into Harvard. But he couldn't pay for it. And for some reason, his dad would

pay because he didn't get a scholarship or something like that. So he got he wanted to get the the the the the a the money. And he tenders. Black face. You know about this movie Craig.

Yeah, but I've never just because we talked about it.

Yeah. He took tending pills. Tending pills. Tending pills. Yeah.

So Brandon T. Jackson said when I first read the script. I was like, what black face, but when I saw him act, he became a black man. It was just good acting. It was weird. He would keep going with the character method actor.

I bet that was weird. Stiller said he's playing a method actor who's gone a great length to play a black guy. The movie is skewing actors and how they take themselves. So seriously. And then last thing down he was so committed to it that he did the DVD commentary.

As the character instead of Robert Downey. All right. I would go ahead. Got no you go. I just think it's interesting that you could make the argument.

That he does not take himself seriously as an actor again until. Oppenheimer. Like he does Iron Man and not saying he's not taking that seriously. He's largely like playing. Like there is very few roles that he does in between this.

And based playing the character of movie actor, Robert Downey. Yeah. And it's like the judges. That was like the Murphy got too close to the sun on this one. Now I'll say this.

I actually think that there are a couple movies where he tries it. I think he tried it in the soloist.

“I think he tried it in what's the one in Judge the judge.”

And I just think he just got to a point to where to fit those movies into something that audiences were loving so much. Yes. He just went. I can't do it.

Like I'm taking some swings. I want to be Robert Downey Jr to me.

Always wanted to be taken.

He's such a great fucking actor. He wanted to be taken seriously as a series actor. Tony Stark was never going to be enough for him. But he also made insane amounts of money. I'm saying I'm not a man.

I'm just trying to get in those good. And even after this, right? He did open-hammer. He won. And then he goes back to the MCU.

Because now that he's proven that being to everyone. He's going to get back. Get another $1,000,000, $1,000,000. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Yeah. I just, I don't know, man. I kind of feel like if he had just, if any, I'm trying to think if there's anybody else that would have been able to pull this off. Because, really?

I know. I was like honestly thinking of the people who he's supposed to be lampooning. Yeah. And how bad it would have been if... What's the color?

“If Russell Crowe or Colin Farrell tried to do this,”

it would have just been like, we can't. We got to burn the neck. Oh, I'm a bit more black women than Robert Downwich. Colin Farrell. We got proof.

Yeah. You've been into it. But like, you can watch it. But I'll say this. When you think about it, that's actually a good point.

Like a fantastic point. Downey is one of the most unique talents that has ever come out of town. Yeah. Like super unique. He can charisma his way through a movie.

He can straight act his way through a movie. He can comedy his way through a movie. He's like, he's got a weird, handsome thing. Not quite the every man thing.

That handsome guy's going on. He can't get there. But he's got like a really, really deep skill set. In my life, I didn't know that he had like a comedic background.

Like I didn't. I did not know. It sounded like he was a certain I love. Yeah. I mean, I didn't know that was his background.

No. I mean, I think it's something. If you would probably gone back to like, pre chaplain before chaplain, like less than zero. Some of the stuff that he was doing in the 80s,

you would probably be like, this is going to be Dustin Hoffman, right? This is going to be. This guy could do anything. And might do a range of comedic and drama performances.

So for him to take 15 years. Almost 20. Yeah. When we get to doomsday. Yeah.

To be like, I'm going to basically play Tony Stark, a couple of Sherlock Holmes movies, a couple of throwaway kind of Hollywood dramas. Trying to see if I can.

Try to see if I can find the dramatic apples.

I always think about like,

I mean, PTSD is debated about how real this was, but like he was supposed to be an inherent vice. Who's supposed to play detective that Joaquin Phoenix played. And I was always like,

man, what would it have been like if Downey had done an inherent vice, and like a really challenging, cool movie with, with Dap with PTA.

And well, just never know. And I don't know when he's going to try again. Those three arm ends and then,

Once he's,

he's not made 10 Kajillion dollars. Yeah. And have these with those. He's inspired a man. He's in all.

He's in everything that they're doing.

And the stuff he's doing other than that is basically Sherlock.

Yeah. So 2020, it was interesting.

“Who was the one who pointed out that on letter box?”

This was like three and a half stars or something. Like this is a movie that some people are now against. Tropic Thunder. Tropic Thunder. I don't know.

I think it's like not. Were you the one that told me that? I did not. I did not. Well, like.

Well, I said there's something about Mary has. It was that there's something about Mary has like, it's either five stars or one star. Well, I'm sure, again, we'll probably get to this.

But let's get to it now. Well, I just kind of feel like it in age quite as well as I thought. I walk the way filling very underwhelmed. And not because of the movie, not because of like the missed the jokes don't land anymore.

Right. The movie. You talk about the character. The character. What's like again, like, in retrospect,

I probably thought Danny McBride and Nick Noughty probably made me laugh my ass off in 2008. But as I was watching it again, I watched twice this weekend. I was just saying. His felt like there was missed opportunities all over the place. The movie depends so much on Robert Downey Jr.

Jr.'s performance to be a great one. It's heroic. It's a little bit in wall.

“I'll also say I didn't remember this before watching it this time around.”

The third act of this movie feels like they're making it up.

It's like that's on the day of the show. It's really bad. Yeah, let's have a shoot out over here. And it's like, oh, you guys kind of stopped writing the movie yet a certain point. It.

I laughed. My fucking heart is off. Like, I laughed. I think. But when the war broke out,

I was the saucey ants in the town. [laughter] I think that's the fucking scene. No. That when the war broke out.

Ah, come on. It brings the call of some reason. I think. I don't know why. Like, even in the theater.

That was happening. I was like, this is the funniest shit I've ever fucking seen. And then the watch branded. Look at him. Like, what the fuck is crazy?

Like, that's no funny. I laughed my ass to your point.

You get to a point in the movie.

Almost at the point where they discover he's simple Jack. What the movie is just almost like, oh, watch it. But you can't even watch it. But all the trailers. That part.

Everything that led up up to there. I thought it was hysterical. I laughed. Big ass titties for no reason. Like, it's funny.

The movie is fucking hysterical to me. Yeah.

“The movie could probably be half as long.”

Yeah. And it's clearly there. Just shoot from the hip and Hawaii and just film and shit blowing stuff up. Yeah. I was surprised that it wrapped up as quickly as it did.

Like, all of a sudden, I see Tom Cruise just like, you know. Let's open this and I'm just like, oh wait. This is what this is how. Yeah. The last five, six minutes of this is going to be.

Okay. Cool. Steward directed wrote the screenplay with Justin Thoreau and E-Ton Cohen. There's still a directed reality by its cable guy, Thunder, Tuzu Landers and Walter Mitty and then a bunch of severance, right?

He's then severance and escape from Dana Mora. Yeah. I'm not escape from Dana Mora anymore. Yeah. Great fucking show.

Yeah. We fucking love that. Great show. That could've gone longer. Yeah.

What do you guys stay from that man? I think he just made that again. Yeah. So they had an extensive marketing campaign. Fake websites.

Fake. Fake. Fake stuff for the characters. Fake fictional TV special. So the energy drink.

And then they did a simple Jack website. And people are like, get this fucking thing down. Yeah. And that was that. They had multiple booky clips.

Even in 2008. Yeah. No. No. No.

To be real. There were, like, there were protests been. Yeah. So I hope no one thinks it that the premier. There were protests then.

People protest from the black community. They were protests from the Shriver family and the special Olympics. There were, there were protests then there was heavy. There was talk about the less grossening character. And whether or not that character was.

It was dramatic. Yeah. And there were protests then. He's just at the funny one. And that, that, that, that is what happened with the movie.

People went to the movie. They're like, it's funny. And the funny one. Downey best supporting actor. Nam.

I'm fortunate was the Heath Ledger Dark Knight year. So let's play this out. How would that have worked if Robert Downey Jr. had won an Oscar for the dead Heath Ledger? That would have been terrible.

To have fucking gone crazy. The Heath Ledger performance is like. He was never away. And he just imagine. He was a different year even.

Every year that every year around the, the Oscars that'd be tweets about how. There's more, there's more people than one, I'm, I'm Oscar's friend. Oh, yes, sorry. I'm, I'm new to the movie. No, no, no, no. He has a microphone brain blind spot.

We were doing it at UCLA.

The mic is down here and Joel was talking. I'm like, Joel, there's people in the stand. You're, you're late bloomers superstar. So you're going to say, though, the Oscar thing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just a bunch of black people saying there's been more people that are going, Oscar's for black face and have actually. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. He's not the craziest fucking thing in the world that he got an Oscar nomination for this.

Like, if you tell somebody now that he got an Oscar nomination for that, he would blow their mind.

“I think the Oscar nomination is the thing that people most hold on to when they're talking”

about the negative legacy of the portrayal. It's the fact that he got nominated. They hurt and hurt the movie almost. He got an Oscar nomination. Yeah, yeah.

You know what I was interested in about it? And we talked about this with the subject about marrying.

Like, comedy is never good nominations.

Yes, that's right. And it was just weird that this one, who was like, all the old black people in the Oscars were like, yeah. With this goes back to my theory that sometimes the people in the Oscars be fucking with us.

Like, sometimes they go, they watch, they sit together and they watch the help and they go, yeah, we're going to piss them off. I don't know what they like the blinds at. Oh, we got to make sure they can't want it. I don't want it.

I think it's actually just old guys. You know, they like the shit was just better back then. You're driving this day, as we got one. You don't say, so I just think something fucking with us sometimes, man. This was weird that it got nominated.

Let's further down in character, but just a comedy getting that it's not like, this was a hit, but not like a phenomenon. Yeah, it's a pretty hard part. For me, it's like, we made my sense for Matt Dylan, they're getting nominated for there's something about marriage.

So we were told that. And my cousin being who else did. It's not a lot less. It's not a lot less. Craig old.

Google comedy actor actress supporting Oscar. I don't think he told me. You're talking in the last 30 years. It's probably five or less. You can't rock too well.

Oh, no. That's kind of like a great character. Yeah, I think that's a great character. But it's not like necessarily like a comedy. He's not a comedy scene, but I don't really think that they're being.

They're very much like rooted in the story of Jerry. Melissa McCarthy, Bridesmaids, nomination. Okay, that's one. That's one. That's actually Barbie.

Gosson Barbie, that's one. That's one. Uh, Jonah Hill, Wolf Wall Street. I don't know.

“I can't remember how many that fucking shit out of here.”

Wow. All right, relax. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. Don't say.

Don't say. Don't say. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, we had a couple of minutes.

Yeah, it's pretty rare. Speaking of Craig, this movie was 177 minutes, a plus seven on the Heraldbeck scale. It feels like a plus 14. I have you.

They told me there's trailers at the beginning. You know, there's some bonus footage that they had to include. The unrated directors cut, which for some reason I own on Voodoo. Was like over two hours. Really?

Yeah. What's in there? It's just extra stuff.

As you know, Craig, my role as always deleted scenes were deleted for a reason.

And then it's a good example. $90 billion budget made $195.7 million. Roger Ebert. What for? Three and a half stars.

Ooh. Considerably better than Stoer's previous film, "Zoo Lander." Huh. Wow. Wow.

It's the kind of summer comedy that roles in makes a lot of people laugh and roles on the TV show. Most of you watchable scenes. Let's go. Categories.

I fucking love the opening so much. Yeah.

“I think the first 25 misses movie are a plus plus plus plus plus.”

The access Hollywood segment was just great. It just, I can, I feel like I felt like. You're jumping ahead. Is this the first five minutes? No.

No. I have the opening. Okay. Oh. Oh, talk about just the trailers.

Just the trailers. The fad is far too insane now. We're in the movie as the movie started. That's right. That's right.

And you know, it's probably a very complicated time for Kirk Lazarus because he's also on the trail for Satan's alley. Right. Right. It's kind of a promotion.

Yeah. It's right. From mid to 11, that's 12th century. Because he, because, uh, told him a wire is nominated. Yeah.

Now, this Kirk Lazarus, who is very competitive. Did he get nominated? Well, I think after the tropic thunder experience, he's realized it's not about competition. Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, first big battle scene, tugged shot like 47 times.

The sands are blown in the spiders. Dan McBride comes in hot. Mother nature is just pissed and paid soon. It's a lot of good stuff in there. I like his hands.

And the J-Barrish show, though, the intestines kill me. Oh, man. What do you mean is all of this? I think I can put it back. Yeah.

I think I can put it back killing me. Yeah. The E.T. Segment. Is this a legitimate brag goes tuck tuck and kill, have blue balls.

I want a lot of this. E.T. Segment, New News. Uh, the disappointing buddy comedy, Chitlin and the dude. I was going to ask the premise of this movie.

Who was Chitlin and who was the dude?

I think Chitlin was Martin Lawrence.

No, that was Martin Lawrence. Yeah. So Chitlin was, oh, man. Okay.

“And then the dude was Ben Stower and Dr. Uh, Tuck Speed Rint and Drag.”

Yeah. Yeah. The art of Paris. Yeah. Yeah.

I have some questions for Chitlin and the dude. I wanted to know more. The art of Paris. Paris just works better than because the name of the movie. Chitlin and the dude, man.

It's a buddy cop comedy.

It's a movie that would never make.

What is a movie that they made. Yeah. They just call it something else. But it's really Chitlin and the dude. They call it money talks.

Yeah. Well, that was the Ben Viren comedy that on TV was like 10 speed and brown shoe. It's like an actual show. Can look it up. So that may be seen for multiple years.

Simple Jackson this as well. And then we get to meet McConaughey. Who's hair is just, I don't know what's going on. It's it is like a full fledged Afro. Yeah.

He looks great, man. Yeah. I don't know if it's a wager. What he's doing.

“I think that was, um, maybe post the turkey visit.”

You know, post hair aside? Yeah.

So we get less Grossman's entrance.

This is your fault. You let me fuck. Oh, my favorite, well, my favorite. Hey, where's the key grip? Yeah.

The key grip. We get them in the director blowing up. I got to say this is a guilty pleasure. Favorite scene for me because I like when he puts the head on the right fall. So go.

Yeah. Let's go and make the greatest movie. - It's a movie, and a- - Oh! (laughing) - It's chords, guys. - Latex and corn syrup. - Then, to scene, I don't even know how to title this scene,

but the, the, the, the, the, tug and Kirk talk about. - To go jack. - To go jack. - Now can we talk about the same real quick? - I'll just, yeah, that. - Okay. - Talk about the same real quick. - Okay.

- Okay, so. - Obviously, the scene is hugely and ridiculously problematic. - Obviously, right? - Is it? - I'll tell you, it is just, in the world that we want to live in, it is, right?

However, the observation, in the scene, however, our life for three straight minutes, yes, the observation in the scene was so deadly accurate. And even still, I wonder when I watched it,

how I never thought of that.

- Shump and blue it. - Right. (laughing) - He's not too far away. - The observation in the scene is so deadly accurate that it is, it's just a genius brilliant piece of comedy writing.

It is. It is. You can't take it away from people who look at that and go, you don't want that as part of a punch line and all of that stuff like that.

I get it. That scene is hysterical and it's just gorgeous writing. - It's the most memorable line from the movie. - It's the most, this is most relageable scene for me. It's also basically the sleep with me,

Quentin Tarantino rant about top gun. It's like the most dead on observation about, like it looks tough, it actually taught it, not for some of it, and the fact that, like that actually is the peak of Downey's performance

to me is like he's just so, he is pretending to be an Australian guy, pretending to be a black guy who's also commenting on the nature of Oscar, like campaigns. - Well, also his the way he plays off Stower,

Stower's like there were times, I feel like I became retired in town. It's like the fuck off, he's got his, he's got his, but he's also, but also, and all of that, he's also fucking with him.

- Yeah. - There he is, there in a big measuring contest for the starring role in this movie. So he's saying, you're a moron, you're like, - You're a moronical being a moron, being a moron.

- Yeah. (laughing) - Like a devilish mother, like a devilish mother. - No, he's really, and then he gives him a little bit, he walks, he makes him follow.

And he just continues to fuck what on the entire time. - He is the same thing when he's commenting on his physique, and he's like, "Any tips?" - Into this thing, into this thing, into this thing, into this thing. - I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to,

he's gotta give a fuck when nobody's say. He is throwing 117 miles an hour for the entire movie, and it's still tickled me to this day. - Yeah. - Couple more, we get a couple less grossman scenes,

including the ransom meeting, take a big step back, literally fuck you're a thing, and did some flow ride. Was it good to have flow ride back guys? - You like 'em? - It was fun, it was fun, it was fun.

- It was fun, it was fun. - It was fun, it was fun. - It was fun, it was fun. - You know, I don't know if I've ever been to any place to play flow ride, man.

- I'll interesting. - Have you? - Well, it, like, he had a shoe. Like, I wasn't in my, I won't go home. I wasn't, I was in fucking LA by the snap,

but you go home, you go around the campus, and they love, love around the campus. - A lot of flow ride at my high school prom.

“- Yeah, really, yeah, okay, I think it was.”

I got to avoid a lot of that, I was 30 years old, man.

- Yeah, I was close to an age dude,

but you go back, you go on campus into the pool, upper bottom gym, boom. - Forgot to mention to get him, recognize the simple Jack. - No, that's yes.

- And they all, they all, man. - Can't get the VHS.

“The, I think this is a top three for me,”

that the troops all hanging out when Jack Wack is tied up, what do you call us? Says your mother's a contaker, so we're, we'll play it with Jeff's detoxing. - Yeah.

- And the Lans, the talk, Brandon T. Robb, he's talking about, talk about Lans. - Yeah, and we get, we think of a dang when the dice on Lans is for him. I texted that to Craig this weekend.

- Do you think they always knew

that that was going to be Lans best? - That's a really good question. - That probably was a late, I hate, we should get shot, Oscar's already, and they were like, "Lans, it's a funny joke

"it'll pay off at the union." - Danny says, "Man, everyone's gay, "once a while, it's Hollywood." - And then, Jack Wack, what's the blow-up, if you'll untie, I'll create a ball,

stroke the shaft, work the pipe, swell the gravy, get it over your buddy, let's do this. - Can I, can I do my flex right now 'cause it's related to that line? - Yeah, let's go.

- It's the Steven Segal, shooting on himself, work for the most unbelievable anecdote from the actual film shoot. Apparently, that line, that Jack Wack says, tied to that tree, this is from an interview with Jack Wack.

It was an homage to the urban legend about Sylvester Salone going to his trailer with some lady. They were having sex in his trailer and as the legend goes, he still wore his microphone, and the sound guy turned up the volume

and everybody outside could hear. And he was saying, stroke the shaft, "Cray to the ball, say my name's Paul Gravy."

“- Oh, I forgot about it, I think that is the true story.”

(laughter) - That's crazy. - That's crazy. - Wow. - If you didn't have that context,

it would've been that much fun, you know. - Yeah, they did. - Cray to the balls. The shoot out. Jack Wack with the double cocaine hands kills me.

I like when the hands come back. I like this, I have a son now, half-squat.

As we said, the last third of this movie is not awesome,

but there's a couple of fun things in there, and then the Oscars ending with Tropic Bunder in less dancing. So what do you got y'all? What's your most knowledgeable scene?

- Well, actually, I gave it away already. I felt like the excess Hollywood scene. Just took me back to, if I felt like I am in a hotel room. - Right now.

- Yeah. - I'm saying in a hotel 'cause L.A. is not where I live. - And it was just like sitting down, putting down your shit and being like, "Oh yeah, this is exactly what I would expect it to see."

- Yeah, it's like seeing in an airport bar. - Yeah. - Yeah. - On any TV from like 20, 2003 to 2011. - Yeah.

- And it just felt good like that to me, I don't know. - And so I didn't see that somebody said they were close to me while I was coming. Y'all know, I felt like that was the best acting they've been sitting down here.

- So what did we close to? - Yeah. - What do you got then? - Currican tug.

- So I'll see you in a second and tell 'em it.

I'm sorry guys. Like, it's like when he's talking about cooking for them. - Yeah. - We were like, we were going to sit down. And he just, and there's something that happens

in that scene. First of all, we'd say, I'm so upset. - I'm so upset. - So Brandon. - So I actually caught Brandon about this.

And Brandon said that they were losing the light and now you can actually see it when you see it. They were losing the light and been still and told them, just do whatever. Just come.

Like, he was all improv. This movie has a lot of that kind of light. - No.

“- That's what it was supposed to feel when we were talking about.”

- Yeah, it was all improv. They were losing the light. Ben was getting cranky and he's like, you guys just cook, just do some shit. And so Robert comes off the top of his head with that.

He starts going in on it. And Brandon, to Jackson just plays off the line. And the authenticity of it, it plays real to me. 'Cause when I'm listening to him be a black man to talk about crawdance and like grab some collard greens

and it's just, it's fucking unbelievably hilarious. It's hilarious to me. - Did you say collard up? - Collard up. - Collard up.

- He said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said he said. - Y'all, y'all look at what? - Y'all look at what? - Treat. - Back before the war broke out was a saucy incident.

- And so, collard up somebody's green. - Just funny bro. - This shit is funny. - What do you have here? - I'm gonna go with Kirk and talking about simple jack.

- That's the best shit I've seen. - What's the most 2008 thing about this movie? I got a list. - Rick Peck playing Wii tennis. - That's one.

- Wii's on there. - Oh, the Wii y'all got the Wii. - Toby McGuire being credited as an MTV best kiss award winner. - That's on there. Let's really max a magazine.

- Yeah. - That's on there. - Ramonios and Tire Banks. - Tivo? - Tivo.

- Tire compensation about the format wars between HD DVD and Blu-ray. - And I thought-- - I thought I read the way. - I thought I read the way. - An important Lance Bass cameo. - Qualcomm phones.

- Yep. - But the winner is Tivo.

The winner really is Tivo saving everybody at the end.

- Yeah, for sure.

“- It feels like the most dated fucking thing ever.”

- Yeah. - Were you a Tivo monthly subscriber or lifetime? - I never had Tivo. - What? - No, I didn't get it until DVR on TV.

- What did y'all do? - I mean, when I was at that time. - But I'm not gonna start a fucking with it. - Your provider had to shit on it. - Also sometimes we would literally go to like,

I would go to a friend's house to watch 24 on Tivo. Like three, two, 24s. - Tivo really had a moment. - Yeah, yeah.

- It was like the most important thing in my house.

Once upon a time. - Yeah. - Would say it's the best. - A couple of things, the sporting official NBA ball is in the NBA.

- Yeah. - That's 2000 and a, the original iPod is in there. - And shit, you're right. - The original iPod is the first one. - The first one is the first one.

- The first one is the first one. - The first one is the first one. - They're so good. - There's also, because it's tug is watching his iPod in the jungle, right?

- Yeah. - He pulls out a very specific brand of chapstick. That is like only from 2008.

“Did you just about to put on before the end of the action?”

- And one thing about this too, last thing I say about 2008, everybody in this movie is in the perfect spot in their career to be in this movie. - Yes.

- For like the, for the space they're all happy. - But they're a little dinged up. - Yep. - Yeah. - Or still is the only one who's,

but even he, I guess, was the kind of thing. - It's only cable guy, it was like,

it's a $600 million movie.

- Yeah. - And this is just his project. - Yeah. - So it's not, you know, he's already kind of planned his run, right? - Would say it's the best,

I have a list, but what do you got Joel? - I thought the portrayal of this gross one. - Oh shit. - You know what I'm saying? - I thought, don't you think of him like,

that is RCEO class in this country. - Sure. - You know what I mean? And like, for what, even though people think that there was some anti-Semitic tropes with that,

I didn't read that. I didn't get that out of that. - That would be my own ignorance on it or whatever. - But I just thought that kind of executive is defined American culture as much as any of the past 20 years.

- You're responsible. - But then, you should have people died, doesn't have to treat you nice, you're ridiculous, like, how it makes you want to do? - You should be asking him. - What is he saying?

- Like, and in the appropriate amount of time, we will file an insurance claim. (laughing)

“- I think that's actually true, that's why I said that.”

- It's a performance that, like, honestly in '08, you were probably like, huh. And then now it's like, oh, it's completely on the nose for that era of Hollywood, exactly. - For sure.

- What do you have for what's inch of us? - The whole scene with his exploded hands and the two of them trying to crying on each other and been still trying to cut like the arrogance of those guys and just putting Danny, Danny McBride

in charge of explosives. - Oh, fantastic. YouTube, they mentioned YouTube, YouTube is still kind of-- - Yeah, YouTube. - Like, two years in.

- Okay, that's age the best. Also, all of these guys are kind of still on top, - Yeah. - Like, Magic Blacks, the biggest one out of all of that. - Jack Black, Matthew McConaughey, Tom Cruise's back.

Ben Stiller has severance and the nicks. Like, it's like, a lot of these guys robbered down to Juni, these guys are like still on top. - We're going to scratch your boy now. Who's Brandon Dorgon.

- He's doing great. - Okay. - So all of the brothers, you know what I mean? You should tell the truth about it. - He's doing your friends experience, man.

- He's doing great. - Brandon's doing great. I talked to him. - He's doing great. - And you know what I mean?

- He said, watch Deadline, he's doing great. He's had a great career and it's still going on. I don't know why you're picking on him. - Just glad he was able to do a name drop. - Yeah.

- Been a couple ups, I was trying to do it. - I called Brandon earlier. - I could drop it. - Well, I could, you know what? - You know the people you talked about,

don't get used, don't, don't, don't do it. - You don't do it. - What? - If somebody else could do it, you can't do that. - You gotta start just name dropping, like,

if you like, yeah, I was texting with Matt Dillon the other day. - Just see if he calls you on it, like. - Yeah. - Yeah, you can't do that.

- A lot of people could do that, but not, but just do it with a broad meme. - Oh yeah, I think you're pointing. - I have a Vietnamese movie parodies. I still enjoy even all these years later,

even though they don't really make Vietnamese movies anymore. But I still love that whole culture. We've been to the podcast for a month. See, in Deskese theory about Porno movies, validating video formats, I thought it was,

I honestly kind of brilliant. - I was thinking about this the other day 'cause we were doing a physical media pod on big picture and we were to ask the question about whether or not there will ever be something above 4K

and the first thing that popped into my mind

was from this movie. It was like, well, if Porno leads the way, then yes, it's gonna be a K, right? - Craig? - Apparently the human eye can't process more than 4K.

- Yeah, I'm barely compresses 4K. - How about an author lying about a personal experience to sell books? - Yeah, yeah. - That takes pretty well.

- See that's right. - James Frey? - James Frey. This is a personal one for me and it's so stuff, but it fucking kills me.

Rick, Rick Peck's loser son.

- Oh man, he has a question.

- Oh man, he has a question. - Oh man, he has a question. - Oh man, he has a question. - Oh man, he has a question. - Thank you.

- Thank you. - Thank you. - Yeah. - In this sense, I think we're looking at the camera is just all the women on the plane.

- I think I can move that out too. - Yeah. - That's what I was saying. (laughing) - I have Peck's remedy for killing a hooker.

- For how to clean it up. - Get your hands on some bleach. I just practice I had to shit a little bit. - He likes it. I thought it was a great little kid performance

by the leader of the Fleming Dragon. - Yeah, that could be good. - He's really good. - Yeah, he was excellent. - If he's like scary, he could do moves.

- And then I'd like when Nauti says, let's bag and tag the pastor. (laughing)

- You're in a world of hurt.

- Oh, that's funny. He says, it's funny. - So I can tag the pastor. - It was like, sure. (laughing)

“- That's what C.R said about the sun face after game.”

So it was like, let's bag and tag the pastor. It's our entertainment. - And then, oh my god. - So the five actors nominated for Best Actor leading role were Tugsby had been Tom Hanks, Sean Penn,

Toby McGuire and John Voight. - Pretty believable. - Yeah. - Five, some. - Yes.

- And you have to put your job. - That's what I'm gonna do. - That's what I'm gonna do. - Maybe, yeah, you should do that group. - Yeah.

- Probably downing 'cause he knew downing. - Yeah, he knew that. - Okay. - The flood gun dolly butter on my ass and Lali pops in my mouth award for something I just enjoy.

- Every time somebody says booty sweat, man. - It doesn't shit work for me, bro. I mean, I was saying, you know that was a time when people would say great James, bitch, or whatever. We won't pour us just talk about booty sweat.

We won't sell 'em because some of that booty sweat. - Honestly. - Don't, don't, don't, don't. - Don't do it. - Don't do it, don't do it. - Don't do it, don't do it. - Anytime sympathy for the devil is used in a movie.

- I'm just kinda like my spidey senses go off. - Yeah, I did it. I was gonna wonder, I was gonna do the hottest take on whether that's the best movie song of all time, but it wasn't less movies than I thought.

- Yeah, I also give a show to the big one. Where's it a lot? - Yeah. - But more TV shows. - I have a, I really love well-done fake movie trailers

and movie, some fucking home run every time.

“Like, I honestly, I feel like we're short.”

- A Craig, we're like 50 short career. - Fake movie trailers? - It's just really well-done ones. It's just like, why not just if you're making a comedy, why not just put a fake movie trailer

for no reason before the movie starts? - I look forward to the movie start. - I look forward to the movie start. - I look forward to the movie start. - I look forward to the movie start.

- I look forward to the movie start. - I look forward to the movie start. - I look forward to the movie start. - I look forward to the movie start. - I look forward to the movie start.

- I look forward to the movie start. - I look forward to the movie start. - Oh, that's right. - Yeah. That's right. I miss this. - What do you have, Van, do you have one? - I like walking around the jungle.

I was like movies in the jungle army action movies just walking around the jungle. - Being scared. All right, we'll take a break

and then we'll come back with Joel's first ever flex.

- All right, Joel, it's time. Your flex category. - Well, you first did you understand the assignment? - I did understand the assignment. And actually, I had something for all three

and I'm now going to decide right here based on the conversation. - All right, because either it's like I could have done something more ridiculous but also I just want to see you.

You know, this is a very high brow podcast. - Sure, it is. - Yeah, I feel like a lot of people will have to hear. - You sound of my house, but we don't know. - It's not like the catering and everything.

- Wow, Bill Sugarfish, thanks man. - Oh, yeah. - Tell your chef thanks. - Maybe maybe the next time. - The needle drop, run through the jungle

by Credence Clearwater Revival. - Yeah, that shit is beautiful. Like, and I expect to hear it in every Vietnam era. - Yes, moving. - You're right, it's probably 80% of the Vietnam movies

feel like they have to do it. - Yeah. - There's no wonder when. - Why wasn't there more classic rock songs about jungles?

“- I mean, I just, in general, I think Credence”

has that vibe, so like Susie Cue's in Apocalypse now. - Yeah, I'm sure there's one. - I think the number would be at nonmovie band. - It has to be, right? - Yeah, yeah.

- Fortunately, it's unfortunate songs. - Fortunately, it's unfortunate songs. - It's unfortunate songs. - It's awesome. - Yeah, yeah.

- And then there's a lot of Motowns. - What's the most used song in a Vietnam movie? - It probably anything from Credence Clearwater Revival. - I think it's fortunate song. - Yeah, it's the most seriously.

- Allegedly, they say that song is about gun violence though. - Like, it's just crazy because this is from like, 1960 now. - Yeah. - Yeah. - This has like, it said really wasn't about Vietnam, huh?

- Oh, okay, sure, whatever you say, but yeah, that was my shit. - I mean, I actually downloaded that. It's like a listen to it. - Oh yeah. - Great chat, Gordo, we're tug running in front of the bridge.

Is it blows up or what you do? - I had great chat, Gordo, slash the Sean Finissio award for StoThomas, that gives every movie nerd a criteria, orgasm is the re-enactment of the Willem Defodettes that's tuned.

- We did do puttune. It's on the list. - Fuck you.

- Chess Rockwell, Brocklander's a word for best character name.

It's got to be Alpo Chino. - Alpo Chino. - Kirk Lazarus is good too. - My silver medal is actually, "Haters' Character" is named Rob Slalom.

(laughing) - I don't know if I actually say it out loud. But it's so weird to watch Hater 'cause you keep waiting for him to completely break out in this movie and he's just like, gotta keep it.

- Now, if you can't link in Osiris. - Is the name. - Yes. - And then you play, that's a good one. - Link, yeah.

The kid cutty suit happiness, Joel talked about the needle drop. There's a couple of really good ones in here, but it's got a good idea. - Yeah, for what it's worth is also another big Vietnam movie. - Mm-hmm.

- What do you got for your flexi? - I have Billy Bats Jackwell to work for the most

biting and scalable insult for first of all,

take a big step back and literally fuck your own thing. (laughing) - It's a great one.

“- But she's girlfriend, where do we go into the film?”

- This is a really, this is a, a good one here. I think this is interesting. Mine is we already discussed it. I thought the last third could have been seven, eight minutes tighter,

and we just could have gotten out of there. - Even half way through, I was like, man, this is kind of going on. - Yeah, you know. - I wanted more, like there's a deleted scene

before they send the five into the jungle. Again, where they're at some party at the set and they're talking to Alpo Chino, Barrel Sheldbeats him. And I just wanted like two more scenes with that.

Like the guy's hanging out before I got weird unless at the back end would be my note. - I have Jack Black. - Wow. - You don't need to show it up and collect it a check.

- No, I think that the Jack Black stuff is funny at times, but I do think that beyond the scene of, there are two scenes that really work. Other than that, he's kind of just whacked out in the movie and pulling it away

from the funniest parts, which is like Kurt and Toe and Alpo Chino and some of the other stuff. I had Jack Black and his rare. Jack Black is normally a plus player in every movie's name, but in this one, I had him as the weekly.

- I have Steve Cougan is much funnier and reigns of madness than he is in Tropic Thunder. - Yeah. - And I feel like they kind of hemmed in a little bit.

- I don't know if I've been still in man. I was just on a beat. - I didn't feel like I was like, oh, I've seen this been still there before, over and over again. I didn't think he had that much work to do.

I felt like he got to be himself. I mean, I didn't mean that he was bad. And I didn't think, well, the acting performances were probably some of the best parts of the movie to me and of that bunch.

I thought I would have said Jack Black, but I couldn't say Jack Black 'cause you already said Jack Black. So I had some been still there, like right above that. I get what you're saying.

“I think we were talking about this a little bit earlier.”

Like Ben Stiller has really good taste and usually the movies he's involved in are really good and funny.

But he's not always like the single best part of the movie

as just particularly an actor. - But there's something that he can do that is very useful in a movie like this. Is he can be a funny straight man? - Yes, and he's making fun of himself.

- He's making fun of himself and his performances are nuanced enough to where he can be the straight man to a lot of other stuff that is crazy and happening at the same time in a movie. But he can also actually have you laugh at him.

- I enjoy him more as a character actor. Like I think him and happy Gilmore or even Zoolander is funnier than when he's just doing like the meet the parents thing. - Yeah.

- The Steven Segalshitting on himself or for most unbelievable anecdote from the actual film shoot which Craig already did. I have another one. This is Bill Hader.

This is the story he had. Tom Cruise didn't know who I was and was trying to figure it out. I said Seth Rogan's a friend of mine. He said he went to your house. I did a Seth Rogan impersonation for two seconds.

Like Tom Cruise is amazing.

We wrote motorcycles that is back your yard. And it was like I did a magic trick. Tom Cruise started clapping and going crazy and he went, "You do impressions "and you're in saturday live."

Meaning I was brief that I know who you are. I just sort of loved it better than the room for this. - Yeah. - But can you imagine Cruise doing the over exaggerated? You're so funny, you're the SNL guy.

- You're gonna get kind of like the politician who's just like this is the Treasury Secretary and that's his daughter's birthday. - Yeah, it's been on SNL for two years. What saves the worst?

Well, we covered a lot of the worst age of worst already. Including the website for SimpleJazz all of the other things that happen. Any other what saves the worst that we have? - I would probably say it's just a,

I would say the action in this movie is one of the worst. - Yeah.

“- I would say that comedy is not the only thing”

that matters now anymore. Your movie is not just about whether or not it's funny. This is like really one of the last movies

That was like, "Okay, it's gonna take all of these chances,

"these gigantic swings and if it's funny, it's gonna work." Your shit can't just be funny now.

“It has to be more than, you have to consider a lot of things”

before you put script to screen and then put it out. Or else people are gonna not fuck what they're gonna somewhere in and before you even get to this. - Unless you're a standup.

- First standup, it can still work.

But even as a standup though, you have this almost sectioned off group of people who just came to see you. The movies, I think people react differently to them because they, I don't know why people still feel like

that every movie is supposed to be for everyone. They don't feel like that way about standups. It's almost like if you go to see Louis C.K. at this point, you know what you signed up for. But when the movie comes out,

a lot of times people are offended because they feel like if it's in the theater, I'm supposed to be able to watch it. - Yeah, I think also it's just like, you've been selling me this movie for such a long time

and it either is or isn't what I expect. - Because for a movie to get made like a hundred people after sign up, I find it Louis. - Yes, it's just him. - And he would say George.

- So, this is what it was. - Yeah, but he would say George first. - Or did we come in there? - Oh, no, I was gonna say, I felt the comedy just fell flat.

Let's just talk about it. I get, it wasn't as funny as I remember. - I just, I see, I'm so curious. - Okay, so, Joel, I'm a thunder. - Yeah, I was like, I don't like this movie.

- Yeah, there's a few of those podcasts. - No, he did the work though. - Yeah, I just, you know, I get, I watch it again.

“I think I definitely remembered thinking”

it was funny and 2000. - 'Cause this is Joel's first time on the podcast. 'Cause we get a barometer of what would be a funny movie. - Exactly, though. - Well, I mean, my favorite movie is coming to America Friday.

- Okay. - Funny, you know what I said.

- Oh, you know what I said, I always see.

- I always see. - I'm Roscoe Jenkins 'cause nobody flexed me. I don't have very quick fuck with it, but you see that one. - You've seen what? - I'm Roscoe Jenkins.

- 2000s? - Something like that. - Yeah, early 'cause early 2000s. He goes back to his family reunion. - It's in, you know, there's in Shreeporty front and Shreeport.

- Yeah, it's 2008. - 2008? - 2008? - I don't like to leave, I don't believe the laugh. - But I didn't know if you were going to be like,

to me, Rushmore is funny. - You know? - Yeah. - I mean, I like a lot of the, it's a good, best-in show, like, they're kind of like,

- Yeah, I like the best stuff, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - This one, just, I like, anchor man, like, anchor man. - Yeah, yeah.

- Step brothers, I could, if you put step brothers on right now, I will not, you know what? - We got that idea. - Okay. - You know what?

- I'm just fast-forwarding on the paper back. - What do you have the guy that's like, - Shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up, - You just mentioned two movies that I feel like, have a way bigger, like, sort of mind-share,

like, the current movie going public, and crewman and step brothers are way bigger than tropic thunder. - I don't think they're better movies.

“- I think that, I think they have a much longer tail.”

- Okay, what do you say? - But I also say, there's one, there's a reason why, because those movies edit for television bet it. - There's another reason, like, my kids didn't, like, trap a thunder, try to shock by.

- I get it. - It's an edge, it's an edge, it's an edge, it's an edge. - It's a satire of, like, 19, they were just out. - But they'd fucking love anchor man and step brothers. - Yeah, those movies are more, I mean, there's some,

you know, but those movies edit for television better, those are more accessible films. - Outside of Downey, did you think, I mean, I'm not, I don't, you know, people are gonna get mad at me, but that's fine.

- Did you think it, outside of Downey? - But it seemed like smart funny to you though, like, you were just like, oh wow, that was some really complicated, you know, you really thought,

- I thought that they said the first, like,

of the first, like, hour of the movie, and especially, like, the trailers, the, the Maria Manuno section, pack and Grossman, like, all that first bit run through the Hollywood stuff is pretty, she's funny. - Yeah, the end of the, the end of the she goes,

lo, lo, lo, something like that. (laughing) She's funny, like, all that stuff leading up to it to me is really, really high level satire. They're going on with it.

- Ruffalo Hannah Rubin and Parcha Joe were acting weird, Jack Black, Jack Black. - Don't look at him. - Vance Trace for Flex, okay. - A list, five movies, not getting green lit in 2026.

- Mm-hmm. - Number five, our namesake movie, The Ringer. Have you ever seen this? - Yeah, that was problematic when it happened. - That's Johnny Knoxville, right?

- Johnny Knoxville. - We had a big debate about whether we named The Ring of The Ringer or wondering if The Ringer, The Movie, would overshadow with Google and guess what, it didn't, it didn't. - I almost cost you so much money

by calling the website chase the night. - Yeah. - This is almost there. We tried for two years, Chris. I gotta pull the fuck off.

- Yeah, seriously. - These are five movies we're not making. Number four, traffic thunder. I don't know if with all this stuff like that, the movie, intact the way it is, gets green lit today.

- I don't know if they make it. Number three, Johanna Man, we own man. - Not gonna happen. You're not in this day and age, you're gonna have a movie where a guy goes

and dominates the W, B, A, 'cause he's a guy. We're having too many conversations. The W is coming too far. That's right. - That's right.

- Number two, I think it could easily be number one.

It's an easy one. The birth of a nation, like the new birth of a nation. - Bro, I know. - The second one. - Oh, the 1915 birth of a nation.

- Yeah, we're not doing that right now. - I think that would've been the case. They've played it in the White House. All right, they've been more happy to go see it. All right, so I would gotta say right now.

- That's because they were like, I can't believe a train is moving, right? - That was partly true, because they was fucking with that shit. - Oh, they kind of, I mean, I, they might, I mean, they might head a shit in the middle.

- Yeah, they might not. I mean, that would go. - There might be a more fair to sit around the White House down. - Yeah. - Number one, despite the fact that we have tried

on this podcast to change the legacy of this movie, there's no way soul man happens in 2020, 6th. Soul man is an empire, it's lack of availability, it's probably a test of time. - Yeah.

- So soul man is number one. - I think soul man would cause a riot. (laughing) - Who's gonna be riding?

“- I think all people ride, I think all people ride.”

- Do you think it would?

- Because actually, I mean, ultimately,

the guy finds out that racism is a real thing, that you think it because of that, the people like what, you know? - We can't stop in the middle of race. - I'm trying to say that we can't get to that point.

At the end of soul man, soul man rounds out with him, discovering just how terrible it is. But see time is how the entire movie has, this is not gonna happen. - I would like to throw in the crying game

into this talk. - Interesting. - I think people fucking lose their minds now, they would have intentionally spoiled the secret. I think that movie gets subrained and it's actually

a good one. - Yeah. - It would have been really bad at that point. - I'm trying to, like, just on twists alone, I mean, I know why you're saying crying game,

but I wonder whether or not, if you tried to pitch fight club now, would they just be like, yeah, but we're not gonna be like, keep it a secret. Like, there's just too many people writing about movies,

there's too many people who've seen movies too early, and they'll be like, make sure you stick around for the last 20 minutes of this, you know? Like, yo, really tough. - What a pro-fuck.

Have we lost, with Fight Club not work today? - The ability to keep a secret, we've lost. - Right. - Blaster things is dead, no way, doesn't work. - Like, Fight Club completely does not work

in any way as a movie or as an experience.

I remember when my home is was first to put me on,

Fight Club 'cause I didn't see any theaters, they were happy to not spoil it, yeah. - They would tell you, I can't tell you what's going on, and they just made you, I don't know if that would exist now.

It would be all over. Kind of like what they did with the drama, almost. - I love Fight Club. - American history, I like it still made that one. I think that one could still get me.

- Okay. - The CR things Luke Wilson could have been here and some forward how to take a word. What do you have CR? - This movie did to Platoon, what Walker did

to music biographies. - Ooh. - I tried watching Platoon this weekend, and it was just a little bit more distance from Tropic Thunder to like watch Keith David.

- Yeah, like we're going home, brother, like it's just too close, and all the shots that they had, like there's so many one-for-one shots from like Platoon in Tropic Thunder.

“So I think it kind of deflated the ball a little bit.”

- My highlight to think is this is legitimately the only time I have purely and sincerely, not even a half of percent at all been offended by Blackout. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

- This looks bad, I'm just like I know this looks bad. I just, I want to, I want to have been offended by that in this movie more. I want to be, like I, I interrogate myself, but as many times as I've watched it,

as many times as I've seen it,

I just have never even a little bit been offended

by the usage of it in this. There's no blackface, if you do it, I'm like, you know, your motherfucking ass stop with the goddamn Halloween costumes. It's not a tribute to Beyonce.

I can't, like all of that stuff, but in this movie for whatever reason, it's just never offended me. - Oh, that's some real shit. I actually agree with him.

It does not, he, it had to be as good as it was. - Yes. - For it to meet that bar. And I'm just going to say like, all right, I'm gonna give Lincoln a service a chance.

- It's also like, if he had been doing, like, if he had been doing anything that was like contemporary, like if he tried to kick hip-hop language in it, or anything like that, it would just blown up in his face. - So when he did the sausage and sent a tone thing,

“that's why they had Brandon's character.”

- Go right back. - It's like, okay, you're leaning into the show. You don't look like that right now, yeah. - It's not your, too many times in between tapes. - But that was the joke.

All the time, the joke was, what do you mean you people? Like, they continuously remind you over and over and over the thing that the absurdity of this is that people take roles like this. The absurdity is that this is not so far out of the realm

of what has happened or what did happen. So I don't know, I just got it. - What do you have? - I mean, I actually, I'm not offended by the black face. And I get, I don't know how to stake.

- That performance.

- That's not your how to stake. - What's that? - Do you have a how to stake? - That's the how to stake. - Oh, you both had this.

- Yeah, no. I'm not offended by the black face at all, because I think, and this is my first time in front of the watch of the audience, right? And I know there's a lot of people on Reddit or whatever.

It's like, oh, that guy's a whole stir, let's go. - But anyway, I can laugh, shit like that. You know what I mean? Like, I think that's what it's like. - I love you.

If you're going to be racist, like at least be funny which is shit dog and like I felt like, yeah. Like, be come, come, correct. - I mean, I'm not even talking about somebody shit I like on Twitter sometimes.

I'm just like, oh man, you know, sometimes, Nick Flint is, oh, no. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Say some shit, I'm like, I don't, I don't like you.

- I don't like you, we would never be cool.

- But I was like, that's kind of funny though, dog. - Do you want me to try and get out of this one? - I don't want you to do it anymore. - Let's do it, let's do it. How would Van get out of this one, right?

- Yeah, right. - Do it like in top 10 black face.

“- You have to do Nick Flint is just fun.”

- I get to the fuck out of my face, okay. - I get to the you've said it. - I shout out. - I didn't wish we were live on Netflix. - I'm gonna try to follow that one.

- But I had to take, I think you could switch four actors, the parts of this, and it's better movie. - Oh, I think you could switch McConaughey and Stilor, and I think you could switch Jack Wack and Bill Hader, and I think the movie's better.

- So Stilor, and that Tom Cruise? - Stilor is the agent. - Yeah, and the Tom Cruise, oral history. - Stilor, we're gonna play the agent. - And I think McConaughey is the lead.

- I think it would have been really fun. - 'Cause my issue this is it feels very Zoolander in the character.

It feels like a Stilor character I've seen before,

he's just like more Jack. Whereas McConaughey I would have been interested, but I think Hader and the Jack Wack part, when it was like, we hadn't really had Hader yet, we'd had Jack Wack around for like 12 years at that point,

and I think Hader just would have added some improv stuff. - I just think it would have been fun. - If you switch McConaughey out of peck though, you don't get "Rom Tum Tum Tum Tum Tum Tum Tum Tum Tum" (laughing)

- It's pecker! - What do you think, did I break your brain with that Craig?

“- McConaughey has tongue, I think really works.”

Hader, the physicality that Jack Wack brings, I do think like, add some sparkle to the movie, and it's just them walking through the jungle for like an hour. Jack Wack does kind of bring that farly energy

that I think kind of unique. Casting what ifs, still in one that Kianu, as Tug, didn't happen. - Really? - He was gonna play Rick Peck, and Kianu was gonna be Tug Tug.

Kianu as Tug is, I don't know, I don't know if that one would've worked. - It's really, Kianu might be one of the hardest actors to like assign roles to like this. - Right.

- It's like, you've talked about like Robert Downey Jr. spending 15 years playing Iron Man like, I feel like Kianu's been John Weak for like 15 years. - Right. - Like 2014 or 13 years to play.

- Yeah, he's in that Aziz movie as an angel, or whatever, and I was, and he's the same. - He'll be, yeah. - If one of those guys that win,

cast it perfectly is perfect, you tall, speed, John Weak. - Shame for me. - Yeah. - Shame Falco.

Shame Falco worse. - And even in parenthood. - Perfectly card book, guys. - Yeah. - Soak and gambling, literally, coach.

Kevin Hart turned out to Alpo Chino through one play gay character. - Hmm, yeah. - That's right. - Some tough research on this.

- He admitted, I mean, he said, it's on my own insecurity. - Yeah. - One goes on, but still it's just kind of growing. - And then most death turned it down

because he wanted, he wanted to change a character to an R&B musician. He didn't want to make fun of rap. - Really? - So I mean, did you get the same feeling?

- It's been talked to today.

“- When did you get the sense that he was a rap star?”

Like, I don't know, I felt like that was the one thing that was kind of missing. Like, I didn't get it. I felt like he was like more like Nick Kianu or something. - Yeah.

- Like, I don't know. - He almost felt like he was a rap star five years ago and now because Nick Kianu is a rap star. - Yeah. - This was said, so Cruz vacated Rick Peck,

own Wilson gets cast and then own Wilson had-- - Oh, over that line. - Had that melted out in '07. - Oh, yeah. - Suicide in '07.

Dropped out Matthew McConaughey comes in,

so McConaughey was the third choice,

which is kind of where he was in his career. - Yeah. Best that guy I would, I don't know. - There you go. Like, you've met Nicole Brown as Peck's assistant.

- Ooh. - He goes on to become, sorry. - You've met Nicole Brown as you've met Nicole Brown, no? - Now she is.

I'm using a more of like, oh, like, the background player and then it's like, she's like got one shot where she's like, it's like hang on both of you. - Oh, I see it like at that time. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

- 'Cause like, she's, she's like a cultural man. - You know what's funny is, Danny McBride, when they made this movie, was it that kind of like-- - Yeah. - Kind of, yeah.

- I mean, then E's bound made of Danny McBride. - I think Christopher Walker was kind of like, I just like, oh yeah. - It's love seeing him. - It was for Walker as a black guy, interesting. - Recast and couch, I did my, in my hottest take.

Did you have any?

- Not really. - Okay. Craig did his flex. We're moving to half-assed internet research. - Did you do DM?

- I don't know why you do DM. - That's a DM, right? - Jesus. - Well, it's Chris. - It's not Chris.

- Tom Cruise, right? - Yeah. - I had this show, you would test drive me blind. - No, right? - I had just been, for possibly an example, questions,

but I'll bring it up for DM. And it's not necessarily that less is in this movie too much for Dianne, which is like a sliding kind of barometer sometimes. What would happen if there's just one less Grossman scene?

Is it, does it become like one of the great one scene cameo of all time? - You don't love Grossman? - There's a little bit of you.

- No, I think Grossman is incredible

on the fall to my face one.

“And I'm like, you have to get a binding resolution.”

- I think it's the reason for that for. - And it almost feels like midway through they're like, man, he's incredible. We got, we got to do it for this scene. - Yeah, I think that it was probably

Cruz's commitment to it. Like our times having a lot of fun. How much can, how much did you use can we do? - It should have been Alec Baldwin and Montgomery. - It should have just been like,

I'm speechless after that one scene. - Yeah. - Maybe I should have been my house to talk to you. - That would have been a good one. - Yeah.

- I mean, you could say he could just could've been the one scene in the end, but then we don't get him negotiating with the, that scene's great. - Yeah.

- And he goes lots of money. - Yeah.

- Your self at the third scene was like really good.

- Yeah. - And at the very end, like that was probably a little bit too much and then he's danced with the credits, but how do you guys feel about the dance to the credits? It was kind of--

- See, like, as a 14-year-old, I love that shit. - Yeah. - I like shit. Like that for the credits. - Yeah.

- On half-assed, they filmed in Hawaii and Kuai. It's the first movie in Kuai in five years. - This is the beginning of people being like, you know, it's cool living in Hawaii. - This is gonna happen soon, they're really figured it out.

- And he's like family friend vacation, Hawaii, Trump, and La Kassen, let's make a movie. - He got married down there too, still. - Yeah. - So I'm good, that was just like--

- Yep. - Yeah. - Not glove or Bitcoin, guys. - Yeah. - We watch him most of the stuff except,

"Store Downey" and "Black" appeared on the 7th season finale of American Idol, as the Pips performing with Gladys Knight. - And they just, before the movie came out, they promoted the shit out of this movie. They went everywhere, they popped out on every show,

they did American Idol shit. Vans got Rick Baker designed and created the Downey make-up. - Rick Baker. - What's your other guy? - Did he do the fatties as well?

- He probably did. - I wonder what he did to the hands. - Yeah. - Who was like the goat's second best Rick Baker? - Yeah.

- If it's not him, who was the-- - If you can't do it, you can't do it. - But then, who was the other guy who was the other guy who was the most famous John Williams? - Some of my Hans Zimmer?

- No. - Jerry Goldsmith. - Jerry Goldsmith. - I mean, it's a couple. - I mean, if you deput it all in life,

“but if you can't get Rick Baker, who was the second Rick Baker?”

- I don't know if it was like Rick Baker just-- - I think it's Dan Winston. - Oh, Stan Winston. - Stan Winston. - Stan Winston, yeah.

Stan Winston's one up there. - I'm gonna swing Ricker. - See, I mentioned the Rocky Menry, Rain of Badness. Downey, one and a half to two hours of make-up. And then they wanted, did you see the thing about how they wanted

to notice character to be revealed, like Quint Jaws, and they decided it was too many homages. And then, Hader said he went into audition for Tropical Thunder. - Stan Winston, black. - He kind of got to show silver.

- He got a little bit of a situation happening. - No, we tripping about this. - Go back, Winston? - No, I don't think it's like a-- - He kind of, like, maybe he's just a little red here.

- Oh, but go back and go back to the last one. - Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. - I don't think so, 'cause I think I'm the no. - It's funny because when you said Stan Winston, I was like, Stan Winston's a black ass man.

- It's like, like, man, if you look at him right there, go to some more images, okay, hold on dirt. - Oh, I don't know, I don't know, bro. I don't know, bro. - I don't think that he is, but I don't think that he is, but I don't think that he is, but I don't think we lost. - We had him with him.

- So, are you had him for me? - Maybe he's the chance on that one. - Yeah, like, and they shows up a little bit more. - Hater, the last one is Hater went to audition for Tropic Thunder and saw a possible cruise playing West Coast.

Let's grow a spin and then all of a sudden, was like, this is the most important addition of that one.

- Yeah, I don't know if you've got me on this. - It was really nervous. - Apex Mountain. Ben Stower, no. - Downey, we're in the ballpark.

- Oh, he has his entire man out of the house. So let's do it the same in game time because he's the big start.

“- This is, this is Vietnam War Paradise, would you go?”

What was the Charlie Sheen one? - The hot shot.

- Yeah, hot shot.

- No, I would say this. - We're done with Vietnam now, right? - Yeah, unfortunately.

- I would've never ever come back, like World War Two.

Like World War Two is such an unambiguous, like it's us versus evil, but. - Yeah, that's the thing. - But people crave, like, war stories. - Yeah. - They crave the band of brothers' experience. - Yeah.

- Crews now. - Jack Black now. Brandon T. - Hmm. - Hmm.

- Hmm. - Oh, no, you don't know. - I think I'll call him. - He ate it for a chance. - She'd ask them.

You're in the phone with them, are they? - I'll call them right now. - Do it. - I'll call them right now. - Blime call the brood.

- It's a kind of an awkward call. - If you don't call them right now. - We've got some extra. - We've got some extra. - We've got some extra.

- We've got some extra. - If you don't call anybody like that. - Yeah. - If you don't call anybody like that. - Yeah.

- Jay Barra shall. - What was his big breakout joint? - What was his big breakout joint? - Was he, he's the lead of Undeclared? - Right?

“- I think this was the biggest thing he's better.”

- Yeah. - I think this was the end, too. - Yeah. - He's good. - He's good.

- Oh, you know. - Oh, you know. - Oh, maybe $1.00 baby, him is danger hour limited. - Oh, he's fucking shit. - It's how to train your drag.

- How to train your drag. - That dude's kicking. - He's the man. So he's the lead on how to train your drag. And he's not?

- I mean, yeah. - I saw that kid. I was surprised he wanted to move back to Canada. And this is the end. - Apparently, that was based on real life, right?

That whole relationship between all of them. - McConnell ain't no hate or no. Politically incorrect, but got away with it. Somehow comedies. Probably still blazing saddles.

- Yeah. - Now it's like the biggest comment. - Yeah. - That's a big problem. - Yeah.

- I mean, 48 hours. But so, but you know, like think about it. All of these movies and everything we want them. Like, original nerds, animal house, all of them. They're all insanely politically incorrect.

- Yeah. - Yeah, I don't have them on a list because the premises aren't. Like, you know, but like, I don't know. I guess so. - Cruiser Hanks.

- A rare cruise, by the way, is 183 watchable. Just extending his lead. He's four above the next guy. - I love it. - How many cruise movies have we not done?

- There's a few. - Okay. - We like it. - What are the ones? - The lab.

We never did all the right moves.

- I'm actually a big valkyrie guy. - I love it. - I don't understand. I never understood hate. Maybe I think people would just,

there are a couple of movies in there that people just didn't like him anymore. Like, yeah. - Valkyrie's one of them.

“I think there are some movies that would have flown.”

He was on top. Like, I think a living in would have flown. I think there was a couple movies in there that people were just like-- - For Noah Scar, wouldn't you think of me Noah Scar?

- I mean, it's a good movie. - But I think Reacher is the number one for me with us. - The movie was just done with him. - The movie was good. - The movie was good.

- The movie was good. - Which is not fucking the time for us. - Yeah. - And it's also like-- - They didn't like--

- The whole idea was supposed to be 65. - Yeah. - And in like that either. - Score says there's Spielberg, Spielberg. Spielberg?

- I think so. - I would say, "Swear Sazing." - I want to do what you guys said. I really did not think of him. - I just--

- I guess there's heroin in the last-- - But he just came in. - Yeah. - I think we were in darker movies. - What's the funniest score say is he's ever been?

- Oh. - And a waterfall. - Yeah. - That's good. - Yeah.

- That's very funny. - Good fellows. - Hey, look, come on a wing! (laughter) - You want to--

- You want to-- - The rest of the wing. - Huh? - It's his hat. - Picking this.

- So Steve Cook is the director. His plan was to-- He filmed a whole bunch of stuff and then got rid of everything he filmed. - Yeah, this is the biggest nitpick. - He's going to put cameras in the jungle.

- But he's going to work-- - He's going to work like-- - He's going to work like-- - Like camp quarters. - And we're just--

- This is what we're going to do with five time. - It's going to work for 12 days later. - What was this? - What was this plan? - Well, also, can I just--

- I'm confused because four leaf at the beginning. I say, so there were ten people in this unit. Four people wrote books.

“Three going to publish, two get, and two get movies out of that, right?”

- Yeah. - Didn't nobody know he was a fraud before then? - Right. - Well, I mean, I didn't say this people had died. So nobody was like, hey, man, you want it.

They were the fucking talking about. - Figure that would happen. - It probably would happen, but there was a little bit of-- It's like-- I think people got away with a lot back then.

- Mm. - I had-- I don't know why it took kills of Panda. I don't understand that scene at all. - That was hilarious.

- Oh, because I think he's just scared that he's getting attacked by like a wildfire. - But he had Panda. - But he had Panda. - And that's like the thing he loved. - He took--

- Well, he didn't own it. - That's not even a real name. - Well, I know the Panda song. It's not, but also, like, are they fine? - I don't know.

- I don't know. - I don't understand anything about that. - Yeah.

- Why didn't the first girl was just kill tug?

- Yeah. - Why did they capture him when you just shoot him? - To ransom him. - They didn't know that he was ransomable. - They assumed he was DEA, right?

- Yeah. - Probably won't see him. And then nobody, none of these guys died. They get shot at for two hours. - Yeah.

- No one bought it.

- And they're all shooting blanks.

- Yeah. - Those people that got work bad, that Panda, you know. - Yeah. - This entire movie is a knit. Like the plot is just like the whole movie is a knit.

By the time they're walking through the jungle, like they're fake shooting the movie, it doesn't make any fun. - Plus the damage keeping that makeup on, just for five straight weeks in the jungle.

- No big enough thing surgery. - Yeah, surgery. - But he has the other stuff that he pulls off. - Oh, yeah. - Yeah.

- Oh, that's the... - Can you explain it like, because he's not blue like that naturally? - He's not really in, when he's in Satan's alley,

those eyes are fake. Those are contacts. And then his eyes are dark, usually. - Yeah. - Yeah.

I had the only to pick I have is like, just Kirk Lazarus having more Oscars than Hepburn and Daniel De Laugh. - Yeah. - Probably done the job.

- Maybe that was the joke. - Yeah. - Craig, you have it in a pic? - Don't you think, four leafs should have died?

I thought they were leading up to him sacrificing himself to be like, "Oh, I'll die on the battlefield now." I mean, they just keep him alive, which kind of just made no sense.

- Which is probably why I like the third act

feels a little bit like, like, I just do not understand what he is after himself. - Yeah, there's no consequences to it.

“- I think they're probably rushing through the last half hour of this.”

I think we'll prequel prestige to be all black cast or untouchable. - Which prestige to be his mild interest in me. - It's probably untouchable. - I don't know if we can touch it. It's untouchable the same way plutonium is untouchable.

[coughing] - I mean, this was scorched or seven comes out for me. There's just like he's moving on. - Yeah. - You know, this is the next project he's won his Oscar.

- So what do we do with scorched or seven after global meltdown? - Maybe. - Maybe. - It's like, like, I would do scorched or seven, they go to another planet.

- Oh, yes, scorched or seven. - Oh, yes, scorched or seven. - Oh, yeah, scorched or three though. - Yeah, they go to another planet. [coughing]

- Is this going to be better with Wayne Jenkins, for you, the forest, seeing the Robert Evans, Dr. Charles Nichols, or someone else? - I like the idea is if possibly lead Grossman, you're going to have to call the fucking United Nations

and get a fucking binding resolution to keep me from fucking destroying you. I'm talking scorched, earth mother fucker. I will massacre you. I will fuck you up.

[coughing] They come away. - And then he hangs up and goes, "Find out who that way." [coughing]

“- I had, um, I think now should've been in this.”

There was some simple jackfruit around. - Oh, yeah. - Nellang. - Where it could've been, like, Nell too. When they're talking about possible,

we could've got to be words and we could've got to tell them. - Maybe you could've been a rom-com like they're-- [coughing] [coughing] - We've got to move it, Joe.

- Now, Joe, the monsters are going, that's-- - Joe Foster in the woods. - Joe Foster plays a woman who's like raised in the wild. [coughing] - No, no, no, no, no.

[coughing]

- They'll make a $16 million.

- Yeah, we used to really don't have to do it on the-- - On the pot. - It's a fucking insane jackfruit. - It's a jackfruit. - It's a jackfruit.

- It's a jackfruit. - It's a jackfruit. - That was another one that paved the way for simple jack, by the way. - Damn. - That was just being the forest and be crazy.

- Hold on. Nell made 30 to 63 million domestic for some reason. The world was fucking with Nell. - Ladies and gentlemen. - Ladies and gentlemen.

- People are in fusion for this area. - And France loves dirty foster. - So what are those sort of newspaper-- - The person did a story on this woman who was raised by wolves.

Like she was like, and then became a big story. Did they do a movie on that? Did they ever do a movie? - That sounds like something that should be going to move-- - I mean, Nell was raised by--

- She was raised by-- - She was raised by-- - She was raised by-- - She was raised by-- - I got married.

- I got married. - I got married. - I got married. - I got married. - I got married.

- Yeah. - Probably an answer for questions. Why do you think crews didn't do more Dan Wader's type three-day roles?

I always wonder about this with some of the most famous.

Would it have killed Leo to done this twice? You know, like, a Denzel? All the biggest stars we have. It's just a huge win if they pick the right movie and they just fly into the wrong movie.

- Yeah. - Is that what it is? It's just a fear of-- - Yeah. But I mean, also, I mean, these are people

that really do take that crap very seriously, too. Like, it's just not fucking around. So maybe that-- I wonder if it's just something-- - They were asking to capred to be in Cliff Booth

and he was like, no. - Not for like a day. - Yeah. - You think Michael Jones is playing in a program? - Yeah.

- He didn't. - But like, I just think--

“- You have to be at the right point in your career.”

- Right. - And like, these guys are chasing each other in terms of prestige and a miscalculation kind of looks bad. I always like to see it. - So like, shall I may, right now?

Just popping in a movie for two days. - Yeah. - And to be in hit. - But right for doing it? - Yeah.

- My damn little dude. - Yeah. - My damn little dude. - My damn little dude.

- And he did your trip for reasons that remain unclear.

But he has a deal though.

“And he shows up in some of the Marvel stuff it's funny.”

But when you're in, when you're watching your own trip and he's up there, to me, he looks so cool. - Yeah. - Just popping in that movie. - But there's a deal between what he does in that

and what he does in interstellar. You know what he mean? Like there's like a supporting role and then there's like a 10 minute like cameo. - Yeah.

The interstellar thing is actually like I was really super important part of a very serious movie. So what do you got for an answer book? - Oh for me. - Oh.

I would just like to know why Brandon Jackson was the guy. I'm sorry. - I don't know if you're a guy. - Like what happened? What happened to his career after this?

- Yeah. I'm just like, I mean why didn't. I mean, we were just talking about all these guys who've gone on ahead of like another thing and they're like, would, again.

I think that is, that is the problem of the black actor in Hollywood. Not your boy. - That's what I'm saying. It's like, you, 'cause oftentimes these roles

even if you get nominated for something that doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to go on. You know? So like Lupita, you know what I'm saying? Like, it didn't.

It is not made for you. Lupita is having a fucking fantastic career. Are you nuts?

“- Do you think, do you think of her, it's like a top-to-top-build stop?”

- Lupita is having a great career. Okay, no, let's say she's not having a great career. You can have a great career and not be like a top-building actress, right? - Right, yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying.

It's going to be like the roles are just not going to come to her like they do some other people. And I'm sure she would say that if you ask her. - Okay, I mean, look, I don't know. I'm like, like, all I'm saying is--

- Well, you probably do know her, color. (laughs) - That's her own color. - My own answer, but it would be, what, if you were making tropics under today,

what would you be landing putting? Like, and I guess it would be comic book movies. - Mmm. - It's not really an answer, both of you. - Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

- Yeah, that's what I'm saying. - MCU type of, yeah. - Something. - If I was doing it, I would land-pone the high-artore movie.

The MCU is going to go further. - But I think now the film that's directly, that's, like, like, an A24 movie? Like, yeah, kind of the A24 film bro type of movie that, like, everybody has to love.

- I mean, I'd say the funniest thing would be to do with, like, a, the smart list, guys. - Did you come to me about, like, yeah, some sort of big, gigantic podcast. (laughs)

- I don't know how that is. - I don't know where. - You just dive into that whole world

“with the celebrities that come in, but you really”

make a fun of a couple different things of that world. People trying to make the guests cry and the dates, all that stuff. - Yeah, although Charlize was talking about how she didn't want to be married.

She just had sex with a 26-year-old, and it was great. I thought that was some of the best podcast content of the year. - Did you, did you have Charlize on your show? - I sure did.

We never talked about her having sex with the younger men.

That never came up. - There's a different phase of her life. - Yeah. Yeah, she came in the office. It was most flustered, I've ever met her.

(laughs) - It's just nice. She just sat down and put her arm in. She was ready to roll. - She was so cool.

- Yeah. - Please, big back in, then person. - That's a big thing. - I don't know how to play back in, but I saw that about her.

- Yeah, you would learn for Charlize, I bet. - Oh yeah, probably. - Two days in a row. - Peace of memorabilia, you'd want from this movie. - What do you say?

- Giant, simple Jack, cardboard thing that Makana had. - Yeah. - I don't know what I'm talking about. - Yeah.

- It was in the back and it had like, simple Jack was moving back and forth. - It was like a picture book. - Yeah. - But you made that amazing.

- If you replaced fair faucet in your house, it's a simple Jack book. - I was thinking about it. - Yeah. - Then I was like, oh yeah, actually.

- Yeah. - But I thought it was hilarious. - Any number of the Bluetooth headsets or blackberries or like old 2008 phones. - Yeah.

- The answer is the Qualcomm phone

or the Tvo that Makana had. - Yeah. - I would love to have a can of boos went on my office desk. - Yeah. - That's a great one.

- Yeah. - In the original movie. - Yeah. - Bus in the bar. - Yeah.

- Coach Finnsack, Mr. Miyagi, we're for Best War's Life Lesson. - Poor in sets the, - Yeah. - Sets the talent for it.

- Poor in sets the weight. - Yeah. - Yep. - Sure. - Best of a feature choice here.

- I had Zoolander just as like, another satire by then sore. - Oh. - Hot shots. - Yeah.

- Dead presidents. - Oh, good one. - Yeah. - That's good one. - I had the player.

- What do you have Craig? - Double feature? - Yeah. - Hmm. - I'd probably stick right no weight.

Go step by those right after a day. - That's good. - Who on the movie? - Downing. Downing to me.

- Downing. Craig. Go. - I was 14 when this came out. 2008.

Just like, I can't, I, the summer of 2008. Forgetting Sarah Marshall, get smart, step by other's pineapple, express, tropical thunder, and role models. - Crazy.

- Wow. - Like, in the year before that, had five other hits in the year after that, had five more hit, 14 year rolling. - I mean, that's, yeah. - Yeah, yeah.

- This was like everything in the world. Like this was just like a funny, it should ever all, I mean, all of these movies,

I couldn't believe how many quotes from this movie I remembered.

I haven't seen it probably 10 years.

“And I could probably have done the whole movie from memory.”

I don't know. It's just fantastic across the board. - What's the comedy sub-road of you guys as use? - It's probably like closer to like, 84 or 86 or something like that.

- Yeah, it's the 80 to 82 with like, you know, catishack blues brothers, airplane. - Cause sadly, when I'm practicing just when, like, comedy is having like a little bit of like a drunken hangover. Like, I'm more like, my 14 year old summer's probably more like another 48 hours.

And that's like, that's not as good. It's Beverly Hills cop sequels, you know? - Mm-hmm. - I'm probably like 2,000 folks to like, that was a big feral fan.

So like, anchor man, tell digginites, stuff brothers. Like, I was my shit. I'll sit down and watch tell digginites. - It really is just so different. Like what I expected at that age in a comedy?

I mean, it was just the biggest stars in the world all together on a big set. Just fucking around. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I mean, that is so foreign to what you see today.

- I mean, they were very much fucking around. Like I said, the end of the movie. I mean, it was just...

- Yeah, just the idea of giving these guys $90 million to do this.

- Oh, so you kind of got to give it to Tom Cruise a little bit. Like the performance itself is very funny. But the fact that he came up with the character, wanted the, like, came up with the look of the character. Apparently it was his idea to play Floraida.

It's kind of like... - Tom Cruise. - Yeah. - Okay.

“- Plus having problems with Katie Holmes at that point.”

- Well, he also hung out with Jamie. - He's a person around that time, too. - Oh, that's right. - That's true. - Like part of the...

- Jamie Moon Ender. - And so I got no comment at this time. - I'm fucking with it. - So what's the play now? Can I say I love tropics under or no?

- Of course you can. - Yeah, yeah. - Like if I'm like man down in junior and tropics under, hilarious. Is that fine?

- I mean, I can't give permission. - You're young. - You might have to answer for follow-ups. - You go upstairs. - You think so?

- I mean, I thought you had to get away from it. The good way with it. The question is, could Bill? - If Bill was I was 14. - Maybe not salty.

And he's talking to people. And he asked Bill what's his favorite movie. He's like, "I love Downey and Tropic Thunder." - Yeah. - Yeah.

- I think probably at that point. - Yeah. - If you can't do that. - You can't just be like my favorite performance by black guy. It's Robert Downey.

- When Ben is Boston, he becomes a Australian. - Oh, I don't know. - You know, my favorite performance by black guy. My favorite performance by black guy is Jamie McDonald's.

In the first round again.

- Oh, end of the Joker? - Yeah. - That's my favorite performance by black guy. - I love that. - Ben loves when the Joker goes down.

- Oh, is this a race thing? Are you anti-joked? - Do you realize what happened last weekend? Ben, Joker got eliminated. The Celtics got eliminated in a great way.

Freaked out at the Kentucky Derby. - It's like a huge fan workout. - Ben, Ben, he's Joker is an extension of the one battle after another. [laughter] - You guys just turn into people.

That's not true. All I'm saying is I understand he's a badass motherfucker. And by the way, this success just beat me down. I just heard that he was the greatest of all time. - Mm-hmm.

- I can't pump the brakes on that. - That's all I said.

“- So do you think, do you think, like, he got pumped by the way, too?”

Like, when he ran up on Jayden and Jayden. - He got pumped. - That's it. - He didn't want to get thrown out of the game. He didn't want to let you go do something.

- Don't want to over there. - Yeah. Because as he was running over there intending to kill Jayden with Daniels, he realized I can't get thrown out for the series. - And he was fine.

Also, I just realized my brothers aren't at this game. [laughter] - He ran too far. - Yeah. - And while you run and you think, and if it was shorter,

and then when he got there, Jayden did not get it out. - Yeah. - He did not get it out. He was like, oh, we got the fight. - Yeah.

- Come on. [laughter] - If it be did run over, he just would have run into him and found that. [laughter]

- In the first class. - It's better. - You let them get that all over. Get that all over. You let them get that all over.

- You let them get that all over. - You do a twitch stream later where I address it. [laughter] - Playbop play. - Look at this.

They lay everybody else push off. What about me? I can't push off. - My favorite year ever. Why I play by myself and Jayden wasn't there.

- I hate my rock as so much. They don't even care that you like those more. [laughter] - That's it for the reward for us. - Thanks for doing this.

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Transcript

You'll only have your podcast and a lecher from time to time.

You know, he's a good guy.

I think it's mostly because, like, I think this movie is a great example of t...

To see the way some of these guys not necessarily in this movie.

Hanks is in a wheelchair with his arm.

All of these things are going to bring him back.

It could be like, "I don't know.

He Joel, he went serious after all the scorcher.

Yeah.

I don't think he's out of the bottom 10.

Well, I'm sure Sean probably got to find that.

Once he's,

We were doing it at UCLA.

I think Chitlin was Martin Lawrence.

- Yeah, I was close to an age dude,

The winner really is Tivo saving everybody at the end.

- Oh man, he has a question.

- Chess Rockwell, Brocklander's a word for best character name.

That was like, "Okay, it's gonna take all of these chances,

- Number two, I think it could easily be number one.

- That performance.

Did you have any?

- Yeah, hot shot.

- And they're all shooting blanks.

- And he did your trip for reasons that remain unclear.

I couldn't believe how many quotes from this movie I remembered.

- Thanks for having me on, man.

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