Hottest NFL Combine Story Lines From Indy: Is Malik Willis Worth $30M? Plus, Tua vs. Kyler, A.J. Brown's Future, Coach/GM Interviews, and Nick's 30-Foot Cuddy

- Welcome to the rear fantasy football show AK,

the ringer NFL Draft Show. My name is Danny. Hi for tonight. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Crack World, but in Indianapolis, Dickie, we're here.

- We are here. NFL Combine, TK, or NFL Draft, expert here at the ringer, you got your top 50 big board up at NFLDraft.com. - We do indeed.

- And we have Craig, you're our insider. - That's right, boots on the ground here in India, talking to my sources, crushing a lot of pods that are available to everybody else. - Yeah.

- But getting a lot of great information, I talked to close to 32 GMs and coaches over the last 24 hours. Everybody else got the chance to talk to them as well and I didn't ask any questions. But I did, I've taken it in a lot.

But other people were asking them questions and you listen. - Yelling it then then you listen to the answer. - Exactly. - So yeah, we have a lot to get into today. We actually do.

- Yeah, we actually do. So the press conferences they do, we actually have all the GMs and coaches stand up and I think I assume the owners just kind of make them do it for content to take.

And so you actually kind of get like a little taste of all what the off seasons are gonna be like for all the teams. And it's funny because all the coaches in GMs try really hard to not do anything newsworthy

or controversial or just make it whatever narrative they want but they also are talking about frankly work drama that they care a lot about a lot and you can only hide so much of like these work drama things that they're really passionate about.

So we're kind of gonna go through all the hot work mass of the NFL. It's drama rankings. And we're gonna kind of just translate what they're saying 'cause they're kind of talking in code

but they're also very much trying to say stuff. - So did you find that coaches or GMs leaked more of how they are actually feeling? - Boom GMs problem. - I think so too.

- You think that they're giving away more?

“- I think coaches are better at masking how they actually feel”

because they're doing so much more press. Coach, every game after a terrible loss they just have to show up and talk their way through it and they're much more media-trained GMs, you know, they're less public players.

- Coachers. - We're more public speaking too 'cause even talking to a team of 60 people is also kind of public speaking. So coaches are talking to big groups of times.

- Yeah, I enjoyed the GM part of that actually I think a little bit more. - Interesting. - Just because I don't know.

These coaches I'm like I always press conferences

after games, they sound the same. - Yeah. - And it's funny to see new GMs. I don't know why. Because their coaches are at least still coaches

but a GM walks up and they're just like, "Oh, you run a team now." - That's weird. - Yeah. - And they were like, "Oh shit, it's real."

- Like, there are a lot of nerds. - No ads don't this year though. - No, no, you don't. - Should we call one either? The jack didn't come.

- Should we actually lead with that? - Right after he been hired, like days after he was hired, his wife was nine months pregnant and he was moving and he still showed up and then Travis Hunter suddenly, they traded for Travis Hunter and then now Travis Hunter

is gonna play full-time quarterback and then they don't come. - They should be called, maybe quarterback, that would make him worth his-- - No, yeah. - Why don't we go through, I don't see,

there's a bunch of buckets of just things that happen. I want to start with just players that might get traded or cut or whatever. And I want to start with the GM, Miami's GM John Erick Sullivan aka the chads,

because Miami has the GM and coach who look like they're like fraternal twins. - They do. - I think, John Erick Sullivan might have gotten a haircut.

- He did. - He looks a little different now.

“- I think they were told they were too similar.”

- We can't tell the difference between you two, someone needs a haircut. - I got to tell you, I went to his press conference and he was very impressed with it, and I was like, "I want to hire that guy's a GM."

I was like, "I was worried." - We all divided and conquered, because a lot of these pressures happen at the same time. So, yeah, tell me what the Miami takeaway was. - I actually was pretty impressed with the guy.

We kind of made fun of it when they were hired, 'cause they just look a lot like the coach. They both came from Green Bay, Jeff Haffley, the defense accorded for Green Bay, became the Miami coach and then John Erick Sullivan.

He was really impressed with guy. But I think the one that stuck out to me was I asked him

about basically, I was like, "How did they do a plate last year?"

'Cause they can't pretend they haven't watched the team. - Oh, you think too a plate last year. - What if he was like, "That's the least of the questions." - You said great. Well, you know what's funny?

- Yeah, people asked him about other players and they're like, "Well, they're not on a contract with my team, "so I'm not allowed to talk about my bike." - Great, you know what's on a contract with your team, too? How do you think you played?

Which is a funny, gotcha question about your quarterback play. - And what do you say? - So, yeah, his answer was basically,

“he was like, "I think two at some highs,”

"I think two I would tell you himself, "that's what he was the highest." - He had some lows. - Should have asked. - Which one?

- But then he said, - That's not really high throw that he did. - Yeah, one that overtive himself, head. So, John Erick Sullivan said, "I think two at believes he can still be a high level quarterback in this league.

"I think that's what he said." - Yeah, I think that's what he said. - Two at a level. - Two at a level. - Two at a level.

- He can say, "I think he thinks he's good." (laughing) - It's like, "I'm sorry that you're upset about what you've had." - Sorry, you feel that way. - It's like talking about your six-year-old.

- Yeah, I mean, he thinks he's pretty good. - It's, I think two at believes he can still be a high level quarterback

I think that's what his desire is to do. Where that happens remains to be seen, whether that's here or elsewhere, which I kind of just heard it in my head. I was like, "I thought about getting kicked out of a bar when I was in college."

And they're like, "We don't care where you go, but you can't stay here." - Yeah. - And this dude's getting released. - Also, didn't you say that they talked about Malik Willis, like 10 times more than to a--

- Yeah, it's always weird.

“I think this is always the thing to keep in mind when you see quotes from a coach.”

It's sometimes, I think there's a big difference between things that get brought up unprompted. - Right. - Which are things they're talking about on purpose or let's lip versus what comes up, - So when you're asking about Willis. - Because they came from the packers,

it's Jeff Haffling in particular, like they were being asked a lot about Malik Willis, 'cause he started games and everyone's putting the dominoes together, Malik Willis, who filled in for Jordan Love, when he got hurt the beginning of 2024 and the end of 2025,

and now he's gonna get paid like $30 million, whatever. - Which I think is, I feel like everyone's come around on the fact that they think Malik Willis is worth a shot. - Well, I'm not, Doug, dude, I think it's crazy. Him getting like $30, $35 million a year,

I think it's kind of ridiculous. - Can you explain, DK, can you please give the brief reminder of who the Fluck Malik Willis is? - He was in the Kenny Pickett draft class a couple years ago and he was a third round pick, I believe,

did not work out in Tennessee, went over to Green Bay, he's had a couple of opportunities to be the starter for Green Bay when Jordan Love was in hurt. And by and large, the numbers that he's produced when starting over the last couple of years

have been extremely good. Now, the question in the packers. - Sorry, what did I say? - We just said the number, it's here as a packer. - He's the first two seasons he had three picks.

- All right, but coming in in relief in the packer system, for Jordan Love, he's played very well. And so obviously they're kind of massaging the offense and not put a lot on his shoulders. He is a good runner so they kind of make that part of the offense.

“But I think the big question here is obviously one,”

how does that small sample translate to a full season where, you know, and then what does he look like outside of that system? Or outside of the Flur system in particular? - Yeah, this guy's a third rounder out of liberty.

- It was terrible in Tennessee. Like I remember when they tried to start him, we all were joking, this is like one of them. - This is the worst quarterback we've seen in a very-- - One of my variables, best coaching performances ever

was almost beating the chiefs with Malik Willis is the quarterback and that was like the code for like, he's the worst quarterback. - Couldn't complete the pass. - Yes.

- So, he went to Green Bay. Do you know how many times he started the game for the packers in the last two years? - Six. - Three.

- Three times. - He started three games. - Three games? - And how many appearances does he have? - I think he, I think there are two other games

or he filled in halfway through. So his four games, maybe if you added all together, but that is such a small sample size to me. Also, LaFlor is such a good skimmer play collar. And every Malik Willis game was designed around,

he had like 13 completions in one start. He had 14 and another like 18 and another. But I'm not airing it out with him and I guess that could be the entire offense where he goes to, but I don't know.

Like, squeezing out wins, running the ball really well with Josh Jacobs and the packers and like, scheming around Malik Willis for two to three games is a lot easier to me. And then just designing an offense around him full time

and giving him 35 million bucks a year.

That's crazy to him. - I'm of two minds. You're almost, you're probably right. Like, it's expecting Malik Willis to succeed is kind of crazy.

If you're like, it's more likely than not in Malik Willis to succeed. That feels wrong. Like, to your point he's played however many few games, it's worth noting though

that he's the fastest quarterback in the NFL.

“And like, I think at this point he's much faster”

than more jacks and there are games. I think you can see the last couple of seasons where he's kind of faster than some of the cornerbacks on the field. - So it feels as really fast.

- Yes, but Lick Willis has a cannon. Like, she's got a cannon. So he has a great, the physical talent's crazy. I think the short answer is, it's not that you're wrong.

Be like, how are you gonna pay $30 million this guy's barely played? I look at it as that's saying like, this is like the Silicon Valley thing, like the pessimistic are often right

and optimists are often rich. And it's like, yeah, he's probably gonna fail but if he does not fail and he's good, you have a quarterback who, what is he 26 years old?

And you have one of the best quarterbacks entering his prime and you're like, one of the most physically gifted guys at the NFL. And if he fails, who gives a shit? Like, if he goes to the dolphins of the car,

it's probably gonna fail anyway.

It's just another season, $30 million.

It cares about $30 million. It's one tenth of the cap in a given season in a $3 and $3 and $3 and it's like, if you, you're like, oh, we'll get a better quarterback. We'll bring in Derrick Carr.

All right, cool. Then you need another quarterback next year anyway. It's like, you might as well take a swing of this opportunity to have the upside that we've seen.

Now, there is downside obviously and he could be completely different with it in a different system on a different team with different players and all that stuff. It could suck.

I mean, but like you look at his numbers from, he's 11 appearances in games, three starts total in the last two seasons. I mean, he averaged like 11 yards per attempt and this is the difference to me

between him and Jordan, Justin Fields because Justin Fields got whatever was 20 million last year to start. It was pretty much a disaster from the start. But he's foreign to it to steal it.

Yeah. But I think the thing that's just funny

I'm good.

Yeah, I don't know if it was a disaster,

but they just benched him for us Wilson. But I just, I feel personally that Willis is a better passer already. He has better processing skills. He's quicker, protects the ball processing

and that was the big thing with Fields is like he just everything happened to slowly with him. I would do it. Like if I was a fan of the dolphins, I would be rooting for this.

“Well, what I'll say is I think you're right.”

I think we're both right and I think because the free agency market for quarterbacks is kind of crap. Well, he will. But your options are only as good as your alternative.

So who's the alternative to Wilson's? It's like to have to leave Miami. So then Miami, what are you looking at? You're going to bring in Kirk Cousins. So you're going to bring Arizona

is going to probably get rid of Kyler Murray. So what are they looking at?

Are they going to bring in to a Kirk Cousins?

Like Derek Carr. So yeah, when you compare them to who's available, well, it also looks like a worthy shot, even if it's a little bit more money than you want to spend.

I think rather have Kyler to a Kyler or Willis. How much am I paying them? Just calling it. Oh, he's probably not, but calling it. I thought I'd run out of Kyler Murray.

What the fuck are we talking about? Yeah, probably. Well, like, guys, it's crazy. Like why I feel like we're talking or something to believe so much?

It's always clear. It's the unknown versus the relative known. The mystery box is like, do you want a mystery box to the boat? And you're like, the mystery box could be anything.

He's going to be a boat with the quarterbacks for the sealers every season. You're like, well, I've already seen what Russell Wilson did. Let's get Aaron Rogers. Well, I've already seen what Aaron Rogers did.

Let's get Kirk Cousins. Sometimes you don't need better. And you just need different. Yeah. Yeah.

If the money is the same, I would take Kyler Murray. There are some numbers that if Malik will put up four of the seven seasons that Kyler Murray's put together, you'd be thrilled. Kyler is just bizarre. You know, it's so funny.

Kyler is one of those guys where the moment he's released or traded

“or whatever, you're just like, oh, why should Kyler Murray fit?”

And you look at the teams. You're like, man, he's working Arizona. They should take a shot at him. You know what I mean? It's also needed to gut him and bring him back and everyone wipe everyone's memory.

But the Cardinals GM also talked. So Monty Austin Ford, who we've talked in the past, is like, a little bit of an energy vampire. Tenancies. Yeah.

I have another, I have a new nomination for the energy vampire. Oh, yeah. We have to talk about that. So he with Monty Austin Ford is the GM and the Cardinals has asked if he's talked to Kyler Murray at the end of last season, because Kyler played like five games.

They put an engine reserve. They stashed him and pretended he was hurt and was like a whole like, it literally just go away.

And Monty Austin Ford said, yeah, I've always had a good dialogue with Kyler.

Saying basically, like, yes, we've talked. And then Josh Winefocity SPN reported, basically someone, Kyler, Kyler, he's agent, someone was like, no, we haven't. And they literally like within an hour on ESPN, the headline was after was the two of not toxins the season ended and have not spoken.

So I do think Kyler's gone from Arizona, but I think he's going to get traded. I don't think he's going to get cut. I think the Cardinals could get like maybe a high, like a third round pick for him or maybe a high fourth rounder. I think you're right.

“I think you have a favorite for which team that would be, too.”

Dude, I think he's such a jet. He is such a jet, but I, man, you just know that's not working. Yeah, I don't know which quarterback I would think would work. That's not working. Because if you go through the options for Kyler, I just keep looking through it.

I'm like, the jet's work. What, Miami? Miami? I think those are the two things. You know, it's funny because it's Miami more.

I don't know why. It's probably a little bit too simple to just only associate Kyler with like indoors or warm weather and think he couldn't succeed in the cold. But I do kind of think that he would be better. You know what's funny? I'm curious you think, D.K. So you know, who's in Miami right now?

So Jeff Haffley's the head coach, the other chat, and then the defensive court, he's the defensive coach, but the offensive coaching staff of Miami, Kevin Petulo went there from the Eagles. He, like, they threw him to the walls and threw him to the Philadelphia volcano. Kevin Petulo was blamed for the entire Eagle season and they threw him overboard.

He's in Miami now. And it's funny to think of Kevin Petulo working with Kyler Murray after working with Jalen Hertz because Jalen Hertz has all the things Kyler does. And I think what people want from the leader, no one questions Jalen Hertz is work ethic or leadership or whatever.

Right. Well, maybe. But like, the limitations around Kyler's play and Hertz's play are in very different ways also kind of similar. No.

Because Kyler also gets pocket passing, middle of field passing, Kyler bailing. Yeah. And Hertz bailing from the pocket. There's some similarities there. But also the, part of me's like, maybe it would work.

So I don't know. It's Miami or the Jets for Kyler, but we'll see. I would speak, I think the team can cross office the Steelers because you came back from the Steelers podium with Omar Khan, the GM and you were like, I hate this team. Great.

I do. I do more a lot. Yeah. I think Omar Khan is in the running for energy vampire of the year. Wow.

Just, I just don't think he gives a whole lot. And I don't know if it's like institutional arrogance about the Steelers and it's just like, we're the Steelers and we deserve respect and I don't need to say anything and everything's fine. But I just, there's no juice with this team and the quarterback situation is so, even if

the team is decent and they, you know, eight to ten games or whatever, I'm just like, Tom one did so much to keep you, to keep the faith a little.

to Omar Khan talk about the only, he basically said nothing for 20 minutes.

“The only thing he said was, he did, the only thing he said was our quarterback needs”

to fit the AFC North style, which to me is like, I guess no to a no Kyler no Kyler no to a. Yes. And no Derrick car and no Derrick car, but I'm like Kirk, Kirk, because it's an art style. I think kind of more so than, I think to be clear it with the code we're talking through is Kyler is like, frankly too small to play in the AFC North and I think the perception is,

the most rampant bias all football players hold just small people, they don't respect them. It's kind of an insane thing. Our Rogers back, and I think they want Will Howard to have a season behind Rogers healthy. And they're weirdly, they talk about Will Howard a lot for a six rounder.

It's bizarre how much they talk about him a lot. We all kind of like Will Howard, but I'm like, it's because we met him. We looked him in the eyes. We shook his hand. We're like, all right, that guy's gonna make.

He looked at me in the eyes. He was like nice to meet you. Strong hands. I like you. Love this guy.

Yeah, I don't know.

We were talking about this earlier and I want to bring it up on the show.

I think the Steelers, you wouldn't think it on on the surface, but I think the Steelers, if you do kind of power ranking the most hopeless NFL franchisees right now, from a fan perspective, I think the Steelers are bottom five. I think there's a clear bottom four in its jet-brown. Jeff Browns, Cardinals.

Cardinals Miami. And then I think the Steelers are five. I like the dolphins aren't in that hopeless vein anymore, because there's like now hope with the new coach. But Quinn you were just the quarterback right now.

“Until like if you even think the dolphin sign milk will us, I think that I, I'm just saying,”

hopeless. I think it's those four. And I think the Steelers are fifth. I don't know. I give me another team that has, that has less hope than the Steelers.

The cops got hit and nuts with the things that they're going to eat. They're not for the pants. They're such a fun. The Panthers made the playoffs. They almost beat the Rams.

Yeah. It's weird. I think that some fans are probably getting insulted right now. They're getting better every year. You have McMillan, can I ask you like, like, there's a lot to, to be optimators house

heroes right now. There's another way to get rid of them. Yeah, there's a lot to be optimators house heroes right now. Yeah, there's a lot. Yeah, there's a lot to be optimators house heroes right now.

So what are the, what are the, what are the, what are the, what are the times, I guess they can't get more play well. Like talking to yourself into a year or two leap and you could found your franchise quarterback. The Steelers have no franchise quarterback within a, a, a, a hundred miles of, of their windshield. You guys are just like on the road and you're, you know, if you guys ever actually

been in this situation where you're going to run a gas and you're like, looking up at this gas station, you're like, I'm not going to make it. And like, that's you guys where you're just like, all right, do we go with 43 year old Aaron Rogers? Yeah.

And back with Mike McCarthy, which literally didn't work eight years ago, or do you go with the young buck or cousins who's 38, three, also three years off at a killies. Right. And those are, and that's going to be your options and it's a little weird. You know, the other teams, you, yeah, the cults, but they had such a great start to the

year. I think there's optimism in what they could be if Daniel Jones is healthy, like they saw that. And then I thought about the Saints, I think the Saints are on the cost, but maybe they feel like they have some options. Tyler Shocked.

No, Tyler Shocked. They like to shoot enough. Yeah. So it's like, maybe the Falcons, but I think, you know, Stephanski and maybe Panics, you give him another year.

The Steelers is like, OK, Rogers and McCarthy, do they win nine, ten games? Once again, they're going to get fucking work. I think that's like, well, then they have the 20th pick again. This is just grounded. But you're going to the playoffs.

Yeah. But it's, it's, I understand. I understand. It is purgatory. And I would argue that like, the Giants, for example, I think have ten times more hope.

And I would way rather be a Giants fan right now than a Steelers fan. I don't think that's a hard day. Please keep that one in the vault for the next time you make sure that the Giants. Oh, you have a hardball, you have Jackson Dart, you have no neighbors. You're right.

Like, you're right. It's better. Which is funny. Because the top five pick. People speaking with the Giants, though, because John Horrible, I made sure to get

the front row at the John Horrible Contra. These things are like festivities, the John Horrible Contra, but it's like, music festivals,

“sometimes you have to go in the middle of an act, you know, sometimes there's a country”

singer than an EDM artist. So you get a weird crowd. They're waiting in the back. Right. Right.

So I was like, you know, everyone's been asking me how I feel about the Giants. And I have the same answer to everybody, which is again, like, nine of the last 10 Thanksgiving. I've been with my family. The Giants were mathematically eliminated. And it's just funny to hear anyone say, like, the Giants are about to spot, but he's probably

right. Um, what do you think? I think you get to make a case for it, but I don't know. I feel like however many years straight of winning seasons is like, you're not the most hopeless franchise.

It gets more likely that the Giants are the Steelers want to Super Bowl in the next three years. Steelers. Really? Like, what, what do they start as soon as they start scoring some touchdowns, maybe they'll change my mind?

But like, what, what, like, I couldn't have, I just never scored that stuff for the Giants.

What's the path for the Steelers? Rodgers gets generated. Delayance imported. I don't know. Yeah.

Honestly. Mike McCarthy does defense. I don't know. But let's keep rolling here. So the other, the other stuff in terms of just players that might move the big, so AG Brown

in the Eagles, which is just the drama that never, I don't know what's with this team, man. The Eagles.

So there was Serriani. There was how, first of all, could we talk about how big Dom just actually does walk around Serriani everywhere? Yeah. I don't know if this is obvious in people know this.

But Big Dom literally is like Nick Serriani's body. Why? I kind of was shocked that he's here. Yeah. What is he here?

Oh, well, I would argue that he's the most important guy they bring here because what

he, he is, so he's the head of security for the team, they all have these guys. The Texans guys, it's like former Secret Service agents, former FBI people and they're like the fixers, Big Dom's like the fixers. So they're friends with cops in the city. So like when they draft a jail in Carter, Big Dom gets sent down to Athens, Georgia, and

he knows cops and they ask the cops what the fuck happened. Really? That's Big Dom's job at the combine. So you could art, Big Dom is getting real intel. Yeah.

Yeah, like a lot of teams have a whatever the guy who's in charge of wrangling the media and then the Eagles have Big Dom. It is true. It's a bunch of like head of PR and there's like a PR guy or Big Dom. Yes.

The other teams don't have Big Dom, like a security guy wandering around with their cops.

“Also, who's super, super famous, Dom is like, is Dom the most famous security guard?”

I mean, there's Big from Robin Big. Paul Blart. Okay. A real security guard. He's a mock-off.

He's not a security guard. That's true. You guys looked at me like I don't respect the law enforcement right there. You're like, I can't say. Like the movies call a mock-off, but mock-off, but like that implies that mock-off.

He's a real police officer. I'm going to try to force. Yes, right. Whatever. Okay.

But you know, Robin Big, and then, and then Dom, Dom is extremely famous. And it's where he's a district. He's like, there's no other security guards. There's no other security guards. That's it.

That are famous. I don't know. I keep going back and forth in the Eagles with AJ Brown. The thing that we rose was said, and he said this earlier in the week, he said, basically he was like, you don't make your team better by subtracting.

And they all say that, don't they? I will say, the former team says they want trade someone this week, the more I'm like they're going to get traded. So, Pete Carroll went triple down that he wouldn't trade Russell Wilson for years ago, like everyone says that.

The only team that I trust will not trade a player when they say they're not going to trade a player or the Bengals.

“Yes, I think, in this case, and we heard this from several different people which we'll”

get to, but we're not in the business of like getting rid of elite players, that kind of thing. That immediately to me is just, they're trading him. But they're just trying to, they're pushing the price of the racing saying we're not going to give this guy away.

He's good.

Yeah, the Eagles, the differences they think, it's funny how it's never complicated.

They just think three steps ahead or two steps ahead. And so the difference is I think how he rose, we can say we're not going to sell low, but then some did you have to. The difference is, agey Browns has this bonus that kicks in. Most teams do it in March.

I believe agey Browns bonus kicks in in August of September, which means they could trade him up until the season. And they're going to eventually take like a 35 or 40 million dollar dead kept it. But if they trade him after the draft, basically, it becomes like a 20 million dollar after that.

So I think that how easy they're, I think they want to first rounder. I think how he roseman, we really want a first rounder next year's draft. I think that how he roseman, because next year's drafts better, no one wants to do that. But I think it could be a George Pickins timeline in May where that was really random. That deal got done right after the draft ended.

It could be like that, or in the middle, or even in the middle of trading camp. But I do think how he roseman is like, I want a first round pick for this guy. And if not like he, you don't want to take a 40 million dollar, you're going to get a first rounder for the agey Browns. So I went through the teams and the teams at the back of the first would be like, it depends,

Mike Rabel, like the Patriots of the 31st pick. And they give a first up for him. I don't think so either. But I think. I can't know.

Well, that's like Buffalo picks 26, Tennessee, ironically, if he went, they drove my back to Tennessee. They had the 35th pick. That's like the, you know, for a, you know, early second round. And the Raiders are picked 36.

But I keep thinking about like next year, maybe there's a team that frankly guys are where they're going to get fired. And then maybe they give up a next first.

“But I think teams want to hold on to 2027, but I think I would want to.”

And I think historically receivers that, when you trade a receiver around 30 years old, I don't know. Yeah.

That, I feel like that stint is never, it's a low likelihood of that being a smash hit.

Oh, yeah. He'll be 29. I think this summer. I don't know. All the drama around him, how healthy he is.

I don't know. First round, there's a lot. I don't think it'd be. I don't think that. I mean, it could happen.

He didn't early seconds. He was like a lot. Yeah. Well, if they got a, but here's, you say that, would they do a third and a fifth part of me is like just fucking key page a brown.

It is funny to think of the Eagles now with a diminished offensive line and now got her to free agent. I'm probably bringing back. But it's like, okay, what is the offense now? You have jail and hurt you.

You've kind of lost faith in. Age of rounds gone. You have divante Smith. That's the other reason I don't, that they, I do think they should hold out for a better pick because if they take the dead cap, if they ever need to move.

That's also to a like dead cap, and so it's, it's, it's, we'll see.

“I think they're going to get a good deal for him.”

Your point is right though, Craig.

Because after that, they basically have no one.

Yeah. It's like a serious Cooper, Johnny Wilson, Britain, Kovie. Yeah. It's John Dawson is a free agent. The, and I mean, they're not going to break the bank to bring him back.

I like Dawson. I think how he would be fine to just skip this draft and get a pick next year. And he would have used to wait till the season begins. I love that. I love that.

I love that. I love that. But this year's draft, well, at some point we have to talk about this though, because at some point though, it's more true now because players that would have came out of the draft are literally going back.

Yeah. Last year, we said this draft is going to be good because we thought guys like arch in Dante and all these dudes are going to kind of, and then now it's like, oh, actually, it's to following here. But again, here's, in an nutshell, Carson Beck is a good example.

He had to go back to college because he had this elbow injury.

He got four million dollars to go to Miami, and then I think with incentives, because he

almost won the championship, probably got to six or seven million dollars, Tyler Shucks like entire four year contract is worth like 10 or 11 million dollars. Carson Beck made probably double, almost triple with Tyler Shucks did this year to be an NFL starting quarterback. So it's like at some point, yeah, I don't know.

The other guy that might get, the max crawls to be thing is ridiculous. What is, so max crawls to be defensive in for the Raiders, they shut them down to tank for the week. And he usually mad. This is like, I bet I've come off the field in real life.

And then, like, plays a hundred percent of stamps like a psychopath. They'd convince him to like, not play actual game. He was furious. He made the free pointer and put it up on Instagram. And now they're trying to, do you think that they're trying to actually get him to come

“back to the Raiders and be not mad at them or do you think they're going to train them?”

No, I think, well, who knows, there's a chance they bring him back. But I mean, I think he is the perfect type of player for them to trade for a lot of reasons. So I mean, he's 29, he has no more money guaranteed past 20, 26. So that makes him a little bit more attractive on the trade market. They're rebuilding team.

You know what I mean? He's not going to, they're not going to be different timelines. Yeah. So I will say though, though, what Spytech, John Spytech, the GM for the Raiders, what he said at his presser, was, and it was kind of, it was the same sort of deal a lot of these other guys

did where they're like, you know, we're not getting rid of good players. This is our elite player. We're not in the business of, you know, giving these guys away and kind of said all that stuff. He said that we have a great relationship.

I'm talking to him all the time. He's in the building every day like all this stuff. To me again, it was like, that was, to me, the flag was their trading. But they're just like, you know, the price is going to be high. Well, it's also funny.

I love that specific phrase when they're like, we're not in the business of giving a week of players. Yeah. I mean, that is literally the business. He goes back to all the time.

We're in the, I got here, sorry, he goes, I'm going to be up front from the start when I got here. We're in the business of having really good players on the team. And we need a lot more of them. It's hard to build a great team without elite players.

It's kind of your mantra. I mean, built, yeah, draft good players. They're like, keep good players. Yeah. Having good players is good.

It is good.

You think you get a first for Max Browsby?

I kind of do. I, I, I, I, I, I, I build, I'm stealing this shamelessly from Bill Barnwell, who has been saying the city has been for a year or two that the lion should be trading for Max Crosby. And there are a lot of teams that could use that type of player this time.

Maybe the most elite, white pass rushing team ever. I know. It's like the, the, the Eagles trading for like Riley Moss, they could get the two white corner backs.

“And then I think the lion should get, get Trey Hendricks in a red nut or a Max Crosby.”

And then they could have the white defensive ends. The, what was the other thing? So John Spateck, the Raider again, just the Raider's Tom Brady having a general manager, whose name is Spiteck is just unbelievable. But I was at his name.

That's a crazy name. It's crazy name. It's crazy. It also spelled with the K. So it actually sounds like a company.

It does. Spiteck. It's like it's an terminator. It's pretty sad. Yeah.

But he said the predetermined dosa might sit to start the, you're, they're also, like, we're all barely pretending they won't take them. But the Spiteck said you want to limit the amount of pressure that you have on that young quarterback at the start. If you have a young quarterback, I'm not necessarily in favor of running them out there

right away either and they talked about the importance of the old team. I think this is the right move. And Brady, I just been on the record about this for years, that's quarterbacks. Just to sit more. I think Rindo's a might not start to begin the year and they might get a quarterback.

Well, the, the, the questions do they keep you know and run that out again another year and kind of just let Fernando Mendoza learn. How do I mean? He's like, I mean, he's got a gut. Do you know what I'm saying?

He's got a gut at this point. Maybe that's not even the best for their organization, but, um, Gino's going to go to the jet. Can you imagine? No.

I can't. That. No. I do think also though this is another situation where it's just really the safe thing to say for the GM to be like, look, I don't know if he necessarily think it's

right to have this guy go on start. Just keep it, keep the, keep the thought open that we might sit this guy. In the case that he either gets like a little bit nicked up at early in the year and then they decide to kind of like, wait a while, they're basically just like setting expectations very low.

You're not going to see Fernando Mendoza in week one. Also, you come off as practical in the, you know, you're thinking of the long term.

Also, it's basically the thing with Mendoza and this is not like me pretending he won't go first or doesn't deserve to be first, but they rate a lot of RPOs at Indiana. Like, you're as a lot from to learn. He's perfect to learn.

“I think the Kubex system that the new coach, Kubex, get a run, but again, Sam Darnal just”

won a Super Bowl and I know we're all used to this, but Sam Darnal won a Super Bowl. Sam Darnal's sat for an entire year in San Francisco. Like, and then he won 14 games with the Vikings and then he did it again in Seattle. Like sitting and learning and digesting and marinating the system is good. It's been a while since like a highly drafted quarterback has sat an entire first season,

right? Yes, it's been a really happened at all. I mean, I can't. But in that that's a perfect example which is what he 10 years ago and it's the Green Bay Partly.

Lamar came in late and then even then, even then Harba on them panicked halfway through his season. He had like no slack. 10 years ago whenever that was. And that's because though it's because of the Packers, it's because Andy Reed, who

any redraft of my home is because he was like, this is Brett Farve again, he's a Brett Farve and he like could do no place. And so the Packers are like the, we need a ton of quarterbacks models, Ron Wolf. Right. Talk about this the other day with Elliott Wolf is Ron's son.

It's like the, if you hit, Ron Wolf's thing was, if you hit one out of every 10 quarter backs, you'll be in this business forever. Right. So Packers just keep throwing darts and the Packers people that are spread out actually

“develop quarterbacks, but Andy Reed was the one who like, you need to sit for a year.”

But it took an old school guy from an old school team to do it. And no one's even fucking tried since other than the Packers who put your in love behind Rogers and Roger Pine Farve.

But like no one's tried and everyone's like, what do we do with the most important

person in the entire company? And they're like, maybe let them learn and like, no, if they got to do the whole thing immediately. But it is a situation where you have the luxury of letting a guy sit. If you wait, as you have a good quarterback, that means you have a good enough quarterback.

And the higher you take in the more pressure there is, the first overall pick right sitting for a year. But this is why I'm open to twice was like the 26th Packership. This is why I'm open to some of these flawed quarterbacks. This is your Tysonson from Alabama, or like, you didn't Carson back or Nussmire where

I'm like, I don't love them. But if they go to the Rams and you get to sit by in Stafford and McVay for a year or three, where you go to the Steelers and you sit behind Rogers and you sit by in Kirk Gardens for a year. I will Howard learn from Will.

That's true. That's true. Will can teach them. Will can teach them. But you're the other, what it's boring, but smart, usually those are the best decisions

that you could make. Yes. Get a quarterback when you don't need one. I missed the Nickisario press conference. Nickisario is the GM for the Texans.

Very smart. Super intense guy. Did you make that contact? I don't think I did. I kind of hid in the back because he was scary.

I contact with Nickisario. He's like, very much you're like, it's like, I have star on you. Oh, I see. I get that now. Yeah, I mean, it's weird that a GM represents the team's vibe, but he does.

I'm like, man, you can't seem like the Texans defense is a human being.

Yeah, the stock, he always, there's nobody in the football that talks more about the stock

market than Nickisario. Yes. There was a moment where there was this one guy going around. I noticed a few people who would just go ask the exact same question to every GM, which is kind of interesting to see how the answer's differ.

But somebody asked about how NIL has changed your ability to judge a player's maturity. And he said, it's nice to see what they do with money. Yeah. Usually the first paycheck they get. Big one is obviously in the pros and then they, you know, that can alter their life and

what directions they go down and what choices they make. And he was like, so it's kind of cool. You can see a guy who's making millions of dollars. And he was like, do they buy eight cars or do they put it in S and P in Dex fund? Right.

He's like, that's what I would do. This is something that Dan Morgan, the GM of the Panthers also said. Basically the same thing. Yeah, I was, I thought if that was interesting because there's probably a lot of downsides

to it, I guess, because you never really know who's going to come out, everybody's changing

schools every year. I mean, going through doing the draft guide. It's actually really rare to see a guy who just went to one school now. I mean, half this class, more than half a class has like been to two or three different schools.

Brandon being the GM for the bills had this line that really stuck in my head more than anything I heard the other day where he, he just a paraphrasing, but he basically said, you used to have to ask kids and interviews why they transferred.

“And now you have to ask kids why they stayed.”

And that one really stuck with me. Like the weird guy this year is Tyson from Alabama, who sat for three years didn't take an AL offers to leave and then waited just turned to be a starter. And we want to know about that. We heard him.

And it probably heard him. Yeah. It is interesting. Yeah. That's like a funny ironic part of this whole thing is like, okay, so were you not good

enough to leave? Do you not like the money? The other part of the analysis that you have to throw in here and that helps to like have connections is you hear about the offers they got and then turned down. Like you're going to hear about this a lot in the next couple of months or hours.

Oh, he got a seven figure deal from wherever. I'm like, and that's kind of thing that you have to take into account city stage because

I think it was like Grey's Able last year.

Maybe it was one of the people that got offers to go play at a bigger school, decided to stick it out and stay with the teammates that kind of thing. And I think teams liked that. But there might be some situations where you're like, okay, but why didn't you go to that

“other school where you could have potentially put up big numbers or whatever?”

But the people do want that, the people want people who have the foresight to like, we're they want players who have the idea of I'm going to stay somewhere for four years and in a couple of contracts four years. They want someone who thinks that we'll be able to develop. Yeah.

There's also a little bit more stability. This might be more of a case in college basketball, which I'm the NIL situation there. I spend a lot of time thinking about because I'm an SSU basketball fan, but there is an argument to be made that going to a different school. There's just more risk set play now.

It's like a new system. It's a new coach. It's new players around you. If you are already good on one team, you can reasonably assume that you will progress. You know your role is safe and you know your coach is developing you in a way that you

like. If you like the team and you're good. But if you go somewhere else, like in basketball, you go somewhere else. It's like, you know, you're the bell of the ball for that week, but what if you pick Michigan and then a week after you commit to Michigan, oh, they actually signed an even

better point guard. And now you're coming off the bench and all of a sudden you're playing 18 minutes a game when you were going to play 36 at the team you were on that was that knew how to develop you. So there is a little bit of like a balance there of, yeah, do I, how confident am I in this

situation I'm going to and how secure is that? So I do kind of get it. Yeah. Well, and guy that actually comes to mind in this is Max Clare, the tight end from Ohio State, who was playing at Purdue before.

And he was putting up bigger numbers. He didn't actually put up his numbers went down this year playing at Ohio State. But he obviously he's going to get a lot of attention here on that offensive. You're in that offense at Ohio State where there's a lot of highs on that team. But I mean, again, this is kind of what you're saying.

He's playing with big time playing makers, like future top 10 picks I receiver and running back. And so you kind of get lost in the shuffle. Yeah, shine a little bit. Yeah.

But it just goes to show and Cassario talked about this a lot.

It basically now feels as though the combine, the only purpose of the combine is interviews

in medical because all the other shit, Cassaria was saying some funny stuff. I wrote it down. We're asking about 40 times what drills he wanted to see, and he goes, and now this is a quote loosely, and you know, I tried to jot it down as best I could most accurately. He said, it doesn't matter what drills they do here.

We'd like to get a 40 time. Does it matter? No. Come on. Last of just 40 didn't reflect his actual speed.

It's fine. None of us will be here Friday when the workout starts. Eventually we'll get the info. We can just watch it on TV. We'll get it whenever.

He said the idea. I walked over. He said he'll get it whenever. He said the idea that I would change my rankings off of this of the drills here. He said he's acidized.

Yeah, he's like the point of this is to maximize one on one time, to sit down and talk to these guys. Otherwise, the drills. You don't know what's his leaving for the drills, Mike McDonald's, they're just one of the super ball on the see-ups.

Yeah, it's like, I'll go home, I'll show you how fast he was. There's a handful of teams that don't even come. We talked about it at the beginning of the show. I mean, Jack's Ram McVay, and is it bad that we just change your name in the NFL draft show or like, what's not the NFL combine show?

That's good. For a reason. There were a couple of people. So yeah, you touched on it. And the reason to be here is to--

“Obviously, the medical staffs have to do it because that's how the organization sees”

getting done here in the training. So getting done here in the training? Yeah, yeah. It's more just like a networking of that forever, but it'd be in the same room in tamper.

Yeah, it's a tamper fest. Yeah, it's a NFL tamper fest. Joe Brady was saying something that was interesting, which I think this isn't anything novel or new, but it is kind of a reminder. He was talking about how--

It's a really bill, new bills code. Chills had coach Joe Brady, who's a young guy, he's like in his thirties, and he was talking about the one value for being here is watching players interact with each other when they don't actually really know that you're watching them kind of deal. So it's just more opportunities to evaluate typey players there.

Yeah, or they thought he was talking about how they're in their individual groups, like going from different whatever stations, because they're going to interviews, they're going to the workouts, they're going to weigh ends, they're going to whatever. He likes to watch kind of how they interact with the other guys in that group. Like who's the alpha kind of deal, who's on their phone, things like that.

So there is-- I think that it is a fine line, there are teams that still really value that stuff. I understand the one on one experience you went on. But there was-- Shepter was saying this on some video, I forget he was interviewing him, but he was talking about how there are even coaches and GMs now who don't even necessarily

need to be in person for the interviews.

And it was like, they can have never been in staff, interview the guy, film it, and then

he'll send it to him and they'll watch it. Do you talk to the players? No, no, no, no, my secretary does that. Craig is that. A.I. does that.

“That's what my A.I. assistant does that.”

Yeah. So anyway, Casserio, just hilarious, being like, we'll get the info eventually. Also 40 times don't matter, because they said, "Come on, Alas, so it was slow on." And then they asked him about CJ strategy, he said, "Moronic, who asked about that?" So when Nick Casserio said, "Trading CJ strategy is more on it."

Well, I mean, you're saying I'm a moron.

No, we called someone else moron. No, I thought you asked the question about Cere, did you, or did you not? He didn't say that. Yeah. Moron, he said, "That's a moron."

Right.

“That's why I asked him, because he brought up the stock market.”

Also, well, the joke with the Texans is that 31 teams, headquarters, the general manager has Enifle Network, or ESPN, and then he used it, Nick Casserio has CNB said. That's right. All he talks about the stock market is the stock down even one point on CJ strategy. And every other coach wants to be a player to miss the playoffs, but the Dow is at 50,000.

Yeah. He literally said like the stock market has been down for five straight days. He referenced the stock market, and I was like, so if it was out of, if your confidence to CJ strategy was out of five thousand, like seven thousand, like SNP or whatever, did the playoff performance.

I was like, did it drop even one point, did it go to six, nine, nine, nine? He said, "No moron." And he said, "No." And if it did, I would buy more. He was like, "Cuz you're an idiot."

Anyway. All right. I will say, though, I think the number one person who just held court was Sean Payton for the Broncos. He went like 30 minutes straight.

He usually got to get 15 minutes, a lot of he went 30. Has helped your person helping him. He just shows up. He honestly alphas everybody in the room and spent the whole time trying to alphas everybody. And he just like holds court, talks slow, he talks, he just mess it, chess match out there.

He put it in a reporter and time out basically.

It was actually, it was uncomfortable. A guy I would keep asking about for like the Bonax injury bag and what Payton said about him. He was like, "Look, I'm not going to talk about that anymore. No more questions out of you."

When the guy shows up, he looked at the other guy that had originally reported and he goes, "You can ask him." Yeah. So the Bonax thing. So Sean Payton says the thing where he's like, "Oh, like if I had known about your

ankle, I wouldn't even even even drafted you." And then like, he said, and then he, the press conference with Bonax, Sean Payton was like, "Yeah, I guess it would forget the phrase he used. He was like inevitable." We said it was going to happen at some point.

Yeah, well, he pointed out how many surgeries he had. Yes. Multiple surgeries. And then Bonax was told this, I guess, on a, by reporters at a conference called Bonax said that it upset him and he got the information from me talking about my medical history.

So then I guess Sean Payton called his name out of your mouth. Yes, exactly. And then he hit him. But Sean Payton, I guess, blames the reporter for poorly representing what he said, which seems like it was somewhat represented.

Do you think? But then he blames the press conference. And Doth protests too much.

“Did you get any indication that that was like, making it worse?”

Yeah, but it should be clear. Every time Sean Payton was asked about this, he then pointed at the reporter he blames for and says, "Ask him, ask him." And then, I think he should have just said, this is an answer. I was joking.

Yeah, I don't think he possesses that ability. It was, it was wild. Payton was hilarious, though. I mean, it was like that. By far the most entertaining took to my costume too.

Oh, my costume too. By 10x. Really? I was having a, I was having a cat. You're captivated by him.

He's so interesting, because it actually feels like he is just improvising has no plan. And we'll just say what he feels. He asked, he was asked about quarterbacks having private coaches, quarters, throwing coaches. He said, "I'm good." And then he had to elaborate and reference to Russell Wilson, right?

I think so. And then he said, he said, "I'm comfortable if you have a swing coach, but do it in your own time." And then he sees and starts their mind. Yeah.

Honestly, I think that's kind of fair. It is weird to think that teams can't help the quarterbacks throw for months and months. Yeah.

It's always ought to be that Josh Hellen has to go to a third party to learn a throw football,

so he's just strange. He also announced he's not calling plays anymore. It's very amazing. Yes. Davis Webb, the 30-year-old Wonderkin that everybody loves Davis Webb.

There's never a song about Davis Webb. It was a real big, like, backup quarterback play calling boom right. You have like, there's like Sean Manion and Davis Webb and Scott tolls in, tolls in. They ran out of young, often, they ran out of Sean MacVay and Kyle Shannon's friends, and so now they're just like, they need quarterbacks to go back to being.

Davis Webb. There's a lot of backups who are, and I'm surprised that Peyton is giving up play calling to Davis Webb. That's the first time I needed to to keep him in Denver. I think Sean Manion is coaching careers since he was a head coach that he's done

in, I believe.

“I think how many games did the Broncos need to lose before Sean Peyton rips play calling?”

I mean, we all went into the season, are we talking, like, six, three, three, four, he's like, fuck, oh, it's three, they're, they're, yeah, he's just like, I tried. I tried. You know what else I noticed about Sean Peyton that was weird that stood out to me? He has a terrible memory, and I find that's all relatable.

Well, coaches, I feel like Sean MacVay could tell you, any play that's ever happened in his life. Well, you know my theory about that, what? He just doesn't remember other things. What do you mean?

Look, I bet he doesn't know people's birthdays or like, you know, he probably is not going to get on with brain capacity when he gave it all to remember play. Probably he's Google Maps to get anywhere. Sean Peyton didn't know how many games his team won last year. I found that to be fascinating.

He was like, what do we win? 13 games? And I was like, no, you won. 14. He didn't know that.

And every time they talked about coaches and players who have come in and out of the

He's like, yeah, I can't remember when I exactly won he came or when he said, oh, I don't,

I can't remember the exact years when we had this player, like, usually coaches know that shit. He kept saying, like, I don't remember when I had this coach on my team, and also, I, I don't know how many games we won. He's been in the NFL for like 40 years, and I'm like, I'm 30, and I'm like, I already, I actually

find this number. I remember everything. I remember this. I think this is the most relatable part about Sean Peyton. Okay.

Everything else. I'm like a little bit.

“The other thing, the only thing he said that was so funny was the, um, the ask about the”

Tush push. And he just said what everyone has been dancing around. I was like, that's good. He, like, was taking your talking points. I felt like I was talking to hyphids.

Wow. Because he, he, he, he talked to the more similar than we thought hyphids. So I think you said this on our show, you're like, if, if they're talking about the Tush push being a safety issue, it is the biggest load of shit because they just did all this stuff with the kickoff rules.

What do you think? Like, you're like, there was a zero more kickoff for people injured on the Tush push. And then he, and then they added, and this is essentially what he said. He's like, we added, like, what? That was so funny.

I was in kickoff, said he's like, then they're like, are Tush push dangerous? He's like, then he said, which I thought was great.

He's like, basically, if we ban the Tush push, it's just because we don't like it.

Yeah, and he's like, which is fine, but don't, don't pretend it's because of health safety. Did you think it was weird? Because this is the other thing that came out this week is they're not going to even contest the Tush push anymore. It's, the Tush push is going to live on.

It only can, yes, so they're not going to, that's why it's a price to me. You know what, it affirms my deepest thoughts on this, which was everyone was just fucking jealous of the Eagles. It's fine. It's fine.

Yeah. Actually, we're fine. Eagles sucked and then everyone's like, you know what, we're over it. Yeah. Everyone was just mad about it and was sore losers.

However, even bigger news, the UFL banned the Tush push. That is you. What? Yes. So they also made really long.

I'm no longer going to walk. Really long. Bill goals are worth four now. I don't remember what they are. It feels like worth four.

Where are you getting this UFL news? Chapter tweeted that the UFL banned the Tush push and the NFL is going to keep it. That's why I don't want to do that. I look up with the UFLs. I thought it's different.

It was the XFL. Yeah, me too. The United people. I thought it was like, that's funny why they banned it so that we would talk. About it.

Yeah. That's how advertising works. The people going. Anything else? Yeah.

The shopping and play calling thing will see. I think it was maybe not for the web.

“I think it was to keep David's web, I think that he got a couple of head coaching opportunities.”

People thought he was going to be the head coach of the bills for our own business. I think David's web played the office isn't very well for himself. Yeah. I think that he's been around his business. He's like friends with Josh Allen.

Yeah. That's, yeah. Can't have your best friend be your head coach. Right? No, that'd be weird.

No. That'd be your head coach. When you laughing at that, I'm like, this is a trick question. It's not that. Is it?

I don't think I would. No way. I would not. No. The situation was that he's my best friend.

I think he was what he was laughing at, he's like, I have to wait better friends. Please. I mean, your best friend is obviously your wife, right? Right. Would you let her be your head coach?

No. Okay. Geez. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. That's, yeah. Dig is over too, right? I'm not your wife, name out your mouth. Yeah.

All right. Now you got it.

“Was, did anyone give you the egg other than Omar Khan?”

Um, sorry. I'm just so defucing to breath. Great. It was actually. It's like, you know, if your charges are wet.

Dude, you're like, oh, God. This is no juice. No. This team has no juice. No.

They're offensive play college man. I've never heard of. I thought the jets, the jets. I guess McCarthy's calling. But they're offensive coordinators.

Like a Brian Angelicio. Who's that? Tyen's coach or the Vikings? Who is that? Don't know.

Tyden coaches are all the rage now. They ran out of quarterback coaches. They're just hiring. Tyden coaches. They're just keep throwing.

I guess they'll just dial up plays to Darno Washington, so I can't be upset about that. The other person giving a play is, so it's, well, it's Dave canal's to the Panthers. Yeah. And then what surprised me as well. Yeah.

And then Aaron Glenn for the Jets. I'm curious. Didn't Dave canal's have a whole explanation. He basically just said, I mean, pay more or less said the same thing. He's just like, I'm two in the moment and it's hard.

I'm focused so much on calling the play. It's like kind of simple. I'm focused so much on calling the plays that I can't like see the rest of the game. And I trust Brad. He's been Brad.

He was calling. I've been with him for so long. He's an extension of me. But like I just wanted to be able to kind of manage all the other things going on and not have to focus on calling the next play.

Which I get. Me, right? Yeah. I mean, honestly.

It seems incredible that it's understandable, but it is also usually indicative of the

thought or fear that you're losing your leverage with the team, right? I've got you hired. Right. I feel he was known as the QB guru. I like get the people in the right.

So it's a big deal. You know, Baker may feel he revived a lot of guys because he was the first guy in Tampa with Baker may feel. Yes. So calling.

Giving up play calling duties is weird because it does feel like he's. He's willingly giving up power, which is not something you typically see.

Cx2 because it's just flipped, but even though it's not, well, you're saying the quarterback.

You basically need the head coach to be the offensive play caller like Ben Johnson.

And then you have the defensive coordinators like a pseudo head coach like Dennis Allen or Robert Solicke's who have been head coaches and can just like handle all of that. That's like Leslie Frazier with the Cx. Yeah. Yes.

You don't ever hear anything about him, but he's probably just running a lot of this. Yeah.

“And that's why Dennis Allen is like probably not going to get this is our head coach.”

Which Sean we've got the head coach up for the Rams and it was 30 or 31 years old. He hired Wade Solicke. So it was the oldest defense coordinator in the NFL literally was in the NFL when Sean before it was born. Yeah.

There's a little bit of like Andy Reed's back. No, a little where it's like you basically get these defensive coordinators who have been French head coaches maybe under qual over qualified defensive coordinators under qualified head coaches and you just slot them in next to your play calling head coach. That's like the perfect scenario.

And then you have Aaron Glenn the coach for the Jets who said he's going to start calling plays again, because he said I really missed calling plays. I think it's my super power smoke. If you got him, you know, one more, you got one year left. Yeah.

I was going to have a good time. I. It's a call. I thought it was. We might not get to.

Okay. Amy left a pick. Right. I can't be worse. No.

I made a pick. I'm a corner back.

I can always be worse with the Jets.

They can always. Don't ever say that. But I like I like generally you write.

“So on fantasy, who works at the ring or huge Jets and told me, he's like, I actually think”

I'm just going to skip this year. It's like, I'm just going to take it away. We should do it to gap yours from things. It's pretty good. I'll check back in in 27.

I think we should normalize that. That's okay. Yeah. I think that's fine. It's probably smart.

I. The Jets thing, Jets are so weird, because in one hand, they have the having two firsts and two seconds this year. And then it three firsts in 2027, which is allegedly going to be the amazing draft. Yeah.

If it's more the Jets, I'd be like, they're kind of a nice spot. Right. Yes. A lot of picks and decent pieces. They're offensive lines, not bad.

I'm like, I don't know. But they're also the people making the picks are the same people decided that Justin Field should enter last season with no competition, which makes no sense. So I'm a little bit sad. That thing doesn't really bother me as much as just generally the Jets.

The Woody Johnson. History of the Jets. I like that point to the Jets and feels like it's just one of like a thousand different things that they've done horrifically. The Craig's point, they should just re-brand.

Yeah, they change the changes. New colors. Pin stripes. Oh, I'm going to do that. You just call themselves the football Yankees.

I'm sure. You're a football Yankees. You're a football Yankees. Just some fucking work. Green pin stripes.

That's pretty. Speaking of, I feel like we buried the lead. We haven't talked about the giant yet. Oh my god. All right.

The biggest thick I got was Joe Shane's press conference. The GM for the giant. The biggest dick I got. Oh. Thanks for clarifying.

The biggest dick you got. Yeah. Yeah. We saw Joe Shane and the harborspeak. Joe Shane at one point says my role has not changed.

Translation. It's changed. I was like, buddy, he's going to tell him. He's like, he's like assistant to the general manager. Assistant to the general manager.

Yeah. John Arba is like so in charge. It's unbelievable. Yeah. Like John Arba.

The court. A little tiny moment that I thought was representative was the giants and Jets went at the same time.

“And then they stood up, I think they got there like a couple minutes early and it's John”

Harb on Aaron Glenn go up at the same time. And they kind of give up and they give each other a look a look and smile. And then the New York media kind of realizes that like they're getting there. And John Harb a little looks at the media is like divide and conquer. And I'm like that mother.

Like he's great. Yeah. I was all in on him. He is I just you get it immediately. The way he's talking about like how we need to be aligned and integrated.

No hierarchy. No silos. Everybody needs to be on the same page. He talked about Don a lot, which probably Pissed Joe Shane off, but she was mentioned quite a bit.

The giant. That was pointed. The things that so Don upon to who the giants hired to, I mean honestly, she's it's funny because Joe Shane is titles the general manager. But if you ask John Harb about what is Don upon to his job, who is this woman who came from

the NFL League office and his highly thought of, it seems that Don's job is to manage generally. Like she just kind of manages finance and contract negotiations and various departments and all this done. So Joe Shane, what do you see?

Well, he does college scouting and pros scouting and like oh, so he's the scouting head of manager or whatever. Yeah. It doesn't seem. Joe Shane's like a very specific manager.

And so it's it's just a funny arrangement, but they all, yeah, everyone reports the job. I didn't highlight as a hardware thing for you. Like what? Where are you at?

I think give you hope. Like hard. Did you go from six to midnight? How did you feel? I feel.

He's just up there looking at him with Puppy Doggo wiggle.

I had to feel fucking incredible.

That's he's 20. Say that.

That was the part because I've been to these for years and he just always wearing ravens

shit. The thing I wanted to ask him. So weird. It's not worth wasting his time. I wanted to ask him what he did.

What did you do? It's 20 years of ravens gear. But like, yeah, you get a good number for it. But I game worn, but seems queasy. Seeing him wear giant stuff, I like that for better for worse.

He's a chip on his shoulder, John Arbottas.

“And I think that he feels a little weird when you're protigate, like, you know, Mike”

McDonald is not quite half his age, but almost that he worked for John Arbottas. He worked for Jim Arbottas. And he's winning a suit. Well, he's on the cutting edge. Jesse Mentor is now getting the old, like his old ravens job went to Jesse Mentor.

The ravens basically fired John Arbottas, just a winner, who again, like, is the son of John Arbottas old boss. So like, people, it's like the, it's like the fucking Scotty Pippins son, or this Scotty Pippins wife is with Michael Jordan's son, you know, and you're kind of like, I used to babysit this kid.

And now he's taking, you know, like literally, people you're waiting into this analogy right now. Yeah, too much. But I'm just saying, John Arbottas, like new Jesse Mentor is when he was a child. Yeah.

And then he took the ravens job. And it's just straight. And it's pretty common in football though, I feel like you're taking my spot on this spot. Yes.

But that is what happened to John Arbott. And I think that he really wants to fucking dumb, and he also, he's a hardball. Like, they're crazy. He wants to win really badly, and like he is way less quirky than Jim, at least on the surface.

Yeah. There. He's, if he were in a football coach, I really think John Arbott could have been like a senator from Michigan, like he probably would have ended up too late. And honestly, right.

But I just think I do think it's going to work. I don't know if they're going to win a Super Bowl, but I think they will be immediately competitive. And I do think there's any world in which the harbott thing turns out to be like the Pete Carroll thing.

Like, like, one done, you know, horrific, no because he's complete organizational control. It's closer to John Arbott has halfway between what Pete Carroll had and what Tom Brady has. Where Tom Brady's like ownership, and they have harbottes not that, but he might as well he is running the organization and he is in charge of everything for at least two

full years. Not the difference is even of harbott flames out. What he did is they needed someone so much juice that they could root out 50 years of like organizational rot. Yeah.

We're frankly, the giants were ownership was handing out jobs to family and friends, and they were like, they couldn't fire people, and they were just littered throughout. Like the giant's head trainer was replaced. He seems like a really nice guy. I had nothing against this guy, but he was hired as the giant's head trainer.

I believe in 1978, and he's been the head trainer for 45 years. Like the NFL and NFL merged in 1970. This guy's been the trainer for 45 years. No, he didn't need job for 45 years. Imagine anyone doing any job for 45 years, and you're like, yeah, like in charge of the

think about the, I'm watching, like players were probably still smoking cigarettes in the 1970s. Sure. And I don't know. You know what?

But it's stuff like that. They needed to be replaced. There were some other vibes that were kind of funny. Anything else stand out to you guys? Andrew Barry for the Browns, the GM for the Browns, I thought, was interesting.

I had never really, I don't know, I spent a lot of time watching him speak.

He's very smart, very calculated, very well-spoken. Energy vampire. A little bit. He says every reporter's name, who asked him a question. Yeah.

That's right, Ashley. That's a good point, Derek. It's for asking me. Andrew. Like he does that every far move or is that just actually respectful?

Probably both. Yeah. He had a couple of things. He was like, look, somebody asked, why do you just you have to quarterback every year?

If you need one, he's like, I don't think that's a problem. Maybe we will.

“And then the other thing that was, they were like, what do you need to work on?”

And he was like, patience. He's like, if you ask my wife, my kids, my staff, and Todd Munkin, they will all tell you I'm not a patient person. And I'm learning patience. Okay.

I was like, is that because a year into your tenure, you gave to Sean once in 230 million

times. I was guaranteed. It's been three first. I think so. I didn't realize he was the youngest GM ever at the time.

Thirty years old. Yeah. He's. Did no one asked him about the questionnaire for the head coaching thing, right? I tried.

Like, why nobody wanted to coach. Why did you have coach take a written test? Yeah. I wanted to ask that. It is interesting.

These young GMs coming in and making a splash like James Gladstone did the same thing. Okay, man. Travis Hunter. Big thing. Didn't really work out.

It's funny to introduce. Everyone thinks Andrew Barry, the GM for the Browns, is really smart and yet he wasn't smart enough to turn down being the GM for the Cleveland Browns. Right. Also, yeah.

I mean, yeah. Also, Todd Bunkin is the oldest first time head coach in the NFL history. Did you know that? How old is he? 63.

Let's see. Oldest first time head coach ever. Oh, wow. Which is what it took for him to not go back to the giants, the offensive quarter.

“That's what the Browns had to do to get a coach because they wouldn't even”

fucking talk to him. I know it. Yeah. The Browns defense key being the head coach of the Falcons that is like just walking around this week because again, the Browns fired Kevin's defense key as they're head

And then 10 openings happened.

“And I think if a different team had fired Kevin's defense key, defense key wouldn't”

have even interviewed for the Browns shop. Like the Browns had no chance of rehiring the guy that they gave up. It's the last that you ever. I feel like from Barry to be like, well, I guess I'll get rid of his defense key. Whoops.

The Daisy. Whoops. What else can I do? All right. So any of the things we're missing here from just like wrapping up, there's a ton.

I mean, oh, the referee, Troy Vincent, who's like an executive in the NFL, does a lot with officiating competition and mentioned the the replays and kind of acknowledged that they did, I think 171 replay overturned from the NFL office remotely and he admitted for them. Yeah. Five.

We were just wrong. We actually overturned it. It was wrong. I wonder what the strategy on this is, you know, because basically so this week, I don't remember exactly when I came out, but the referees are the league admitted.

They got some very critical over the plays overturned or whatever, that they got them wrong.

So for instance, the one, the week 14 Ravens Steelers game, we've talked about this play multiple times. I stand by it where Aaron Rodgers tried to throw pass, it got battered. He went to catch it. It was in his hands, essentially, as his knees were on the ground and the Ravens player took

it out of his hands and ran. That play was overturned and called incomplete, I'm sorry, it was called complete or whatever. It was not in interception. And they said they got that wrong. It should have been in interception.

That was, I will give you credit. You did that. There was no difference between that and the bills play against the Broncos. Remember the, of course, take branding kicks not pick, whatever.

“I was like, that's like almost the exact same thing, and essentially that's what the”

league said, that should have been a pick. And the other thing they admitted, they were like, five, five, did you ever call the champion? He's like, okay. The other one, that play screwed over the Ravens and the other one that they admitted

was wrong was that the Isaiah likely touched down in the first Ravens Steelers game that the Steelers won. That should have been a touch down, which someone asked John Harbott, does it make you feel like maybe things could have gone differently since two of those plays would have flipped two games.

You probably would have played. And they're like, maybe you probably would have made a playoffs. And John Harbott takes the longest fucking pause and he's like, tent, he's like answering a question how I feel. Yeah, you know, it's pretty normal to feel upset and think about those things.

Yes. Yeah, I do think about that. Yeah. That's a natural thing. Well, remind me of the likely play.

He's got a touch down. Took three steps. Took a couple steps and then it was like slapped out of his hand.

The first Ravens Steelers game was a bang bang play and he caught the ball and he had it outstretched

one, two, three and someone knocked it out and they're like, oh, not a touch down. I can't wait to play. But he had three steps. What is that? I do remember that.

That was a bad call. Yes. So anyway.

“He's like five plays two of them flip the Ravens season.”

But the other one was they said, yeah, four of the five plays in the one o'clock window. The early window. A lot of games. You know, it's harder than. So that is what it is.

And then another thing. We kind of do, but I couldn't believe they admitted it. We're like, yeah, it's obviously harder for them to if it she ate remotely 11 games than one in prime time. Yeah.

But Sean says this is a thing. That is the thing you kept saying all year or I was like, it can't be that. It actually was that. Not enough people hire more people with the NFL. No, that's what the month.

They want to keep the money busy. That we're not giving money to other people. They want to keep the money. Yeah, they'd rather admit they were wrong on five plays a year than pay more people. Yes.

Just, yeah. It gets buried under a deluge of other news this week. I'm sure a lot of people.

I mean, large acts and tweeted about it and he was basically like, oh, well, so our first

offseason win. You know, because they should have won that game. Essentially. Huge. Yeah, everyone's like, you're on zero.

But yeah. Could have been different. Yeah. The sliding doors of the Ravens is crazy, but adjustment works out. It's good for them.

Yeah. Anything else from this week? And we're going to get into a bunch of like players and everything like later this week. We have obviously a ton of draft stuff coming, but this was a lot, a lot of offseason stuff

coming. I do think I will be cool of agey Brown and Crosby and Crilar get traded in the next week or so. Yeah. Anything else before we just do some emails?

No, I think that's it. Simon asked about the story. You know, the school of the school is just a bit weird and then the head of the building. No, not at all. Like, the story is like my safe space.

Hmm. Do you think that's all right? Yeah, exactly. Like, the story is like the story of the building that I just understood. The game of the studio, the job or the music.

The building. Cras. I don't feel like the story. The story is already read. Save.

With the story. Okay. We have some, we have some, we have a lot of problems. We ask people for. All right.

Starting with Craig asked about car horns. Yeah. All right. Let me take a look around. Yeah.

Something calmer. Right. More soothing. So aggressive. We got an email from Jill.

From today. Oh, yeah. Hi, guys. Breakfast this morning. Holiday and express continental breakfast scrambled eggs with

Chilulu potatoes turkey sausage and coffee.

Chilulu eggs is great. I went for it. Yeah. Chilulu eggs is great. Car horns.

I had to write it because my wife and I were just talking about this. The biggest problem is that you can't see people in their honking. The only way we have of communicating is a loud obnoxious horn. And we can't see each other. So we tend to assume the worst.

My wife's proposal is to replace all car horns with three different sounds. One that says, one that basically the communicates my bad. One that is the same, which communicates your bad. And then a third one that says something's wrong with your car. Yeah.

I like that one. It's like your back tire is. Yeah. So sometimes you're trying to beep. And it's like your trunk is open.

You're more on like your trunk is open.

The problem is is I feel like honking is so impulsive.

I don't know if you'd have the wear with all in the moment to be like, Is this a my bad or a year bad? Yeah. It has to be the length. But we'll a little tap.

Yeah. A little tap. That's like my bad.

“I think it, because sometimes you should be sorry.”

To the honk it'd be like my bad. But you can't communicate that. Can we just have a horn that just says like sorry. Really sheepishly. Sorry.

I like that as an idea. - I think that is an idea, right? - I think that's what you've had. - You've had something wrong with your car. - My bad would be great.

- Your car is on fire. - If you honk it, it was like, "My bad, my bad, my bad, that's on me!" If that's your car actually said that. That's on me, my bad. And then you'd be like, "All right, yeah, you feel better."

- I don't collect the lawyers wouldn't sign off on this. - Oh yeah, you never admit fault in any accident. - Yeah. - You know. - There is no solution, unfortunately, I think. - That's too bad.

- All right, so they've been doing it. - They've been doing it, right? - The cars have won.

- All right, you guys ready to lock in right now? - Yeah, sure.

- All right, we got a lot of emails about smells. - Oh boy. - Okay. - So one, we're good to follow up on rain smell. We're gonna tell 'em how it smells after it rains. So this is from Cameron.

- See you, bam. - C'mon. - C'mon. - C'mon. - C'mon. - Cameron, see. - C'mon, cam chancellor.

- Fair enough. - Yeah, don't. - Can you catch me? - C'mon. - C'mon. - Yeah. - Go birds. - Go birds.

(laughing) - It's your way to get the fucking birds. - It's a box. - Why do they get the birds? - Cameron says black, black, coffee, peanut butter, banana oats, and a toasted, everything bagged with creages.

- Okay. - That sounds really tasty. - Yeah, that's gonna fill you up. - And there's a lot. - Yeah. - Oh, man, I don't know, probably. - It needs the energy.

- It is, but it doesn't eat lunch. Cameron says just thought you all should know that thunderstorms have a scientifically distinct smell from regular rainstorms. - Really? - I blew my mind.

- Thunderstorms are like the electrical fields.

- So there's a lot of people who are like,

there's a storm coming. They can smell. - I can do it. - Do you like it in my knee? - Yes. - Yes. - But my mom claims to kind of have that.

- Claims, you don't believe her. - Spells are underneath. - My mom's a liar. - I have a connection to weather though. - Texture right now and be like,

can you smell and storms become weird? - So Cameron writes, "That's crazy." - I blew my mind, sorry. - That's crazy. - Get ready.

Cameron says the smell just before or during rainstorms before, 'cause there's an after smell, which is the stuff that it's raining on. - Well, that's the whole thing. There's like people in movies who are like,

there's a storm coming. - So this blew my mind. The stuff before a rainstorm,

“I think it means a thunderstorm, is ozone.”

Lightening splits nitrogen and oxygen atoms and releases ozone, which is the kind of clean metallic smell you get during a storm. That blew my fucking mind. You can smell ozone.

- Ozone. - Like the layer that you grew generation put a hole in, the last thing in the world, actually try to fix it. - I think you guys fucked it up.

- I don't know. - I recycled. - We're screwed now. - The last problem we the world tried to fix. - Do we fix that?

- Is there still a hole up there? - I'm gonna give you the recession, too. That was you. - That was your fault. - Yeah.

- Yeah, you're too young, but that's the most kind. - Yeah. - The poomers. - What else? - My dad actually was--

- 'Cause you're millennial. - Takes me about, yeah, I'm an elder millennial. - Or geriatric millennial. He was telling me that in rainstorms, and also sometimes when you're sitting by like

a lot of people like sitting by moving water because it positively charges the ions around you, which is healthy for you, it makes you feel good. - If Aaron Rodgers says that, I'd be like, "Get the fuck out of here."

- So moving water literally gives off good positive ions. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I love it. I love here about all that shit. Why people like looking at water,

being near water, sleeping when it's raining? - I think that's fast. - Forrest bathing. - Oh, wait, hold on. Wait, we've been important up there here.

Nick, Nick, one of our shit, Nick, just get in here, Nick. The homesteads get in here. So Nick, wait, explain the talking to my camera. - Can you please talk to us about boat horns?

- One is for pork, two is for starboard. If you're passing. - Oh, there's different horns. - Yeah, so there's different horns signal. - So you have a boat?

- Yeah, wait, wait, wait, what is for passing? What is for what? - One is for passing on a port side. - Oh, okay. - Two horn being left.

- Left. (laughs) - Two is for starboard. - Right. - Three is backing up.

- And five is warning, something's happening.

“- Oh, but you have to count to five horns?”

- Yeah, you gotta go, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. - That one with four horns? - No, not on this one yet, no. - No, that would be too confusing. - What kind of boat do you have?

- Just 30 foot, cutie cabin. - This is a cutie cabin. - I don't know what any of those words mean. - So there we go. - I think it sounds safe.

- Okay, all right, wow, that was awesome. - Thank you. - Do you know what a cutie is? - It's like 30 foot, cutie cabin.

- What in? - Both boats, they're all right. - What are you not going to roll? - Old wooden ship. - Old wooden ship.

- Almost last time we got honked at it. - All the time, weekly. - Well, he lives in Los Angeles. - Everyone's got to do it in a cell.

“- I would consider myself a good driver,”

but the problem is that you oftentimes don't know

who's even getting honked at. - Are you honking going on? - It's just all right, it's contagious. - Like honking at the world. - Yeah.

- Just angry at the world. - Right, just gives it to the thumbs up. - Big thumbs up. Have a good day. - Like that's rage, babe.

- The past of course. - It's like, that's going to get some big people back. - It's worse than the bird, it's a fucking thumbs up. - That's true. - Oh, my gosh, Chris goes thumbs down.

- That's what the Yankees did. - That's a high season of thumbs down. - I think that's better than thumbs up. - Yeah, well, it was like less angry. - If I honked at someone, I was mad

and you gave me a thumbs up. - I'm gonna be like, "Gah!" - I'm like, "But if they give you this, fly off the handle, I'd be like, "Oh, okay, okay, buddy." - Yeah, thumbs down. - No, thumbs down. - Your thumbs down is, you're gonna go to an rage.

- You're gonna, you're gonna get a serious rage. - If you're going your face, thumbs down. - I mean, thumbs down is fun too. - Boo! (laughing) - That's not fair.

- He's put me. - It's so funny to think thumbs up and thumbs down as almost become more in real life than in, like, or in more online than in real life. When it's last time in real life, you were like, thumbs down.

- No. - I give this, I give a lot of thumbs down. - Ironically, or legitimately. - No, ironically. - Yeah.

- Was that, yeah, an earnest thumbs up is kinda wild.

“- Hey, you should play at the Canterbury Open next week.”

(laughing) - Yeah. - The other smell one, this one's great. So, this is from, I forgot to read the name down. - Forgot to read the name down.

- Okay. - I'm sorry, but they had two sunny side eggs and sourdough toast for breakfast. - Love it. - Fantastic.

- They heard, I said, I would do that. - I said in the last show that I loved this. - Love this smell. - Love this smell of gasoline? - Yeah, smells great.

- I don't mind that. - Well, so this person said, heard me say that. And they remembered that gasoline doesn't actually have a smell. - Yeah, it's added so that you smell it. - I didn't do it.

- Yeah, I knew that. - All right, well I'll go fuck myself, I didn't know that. - You didn't know that? - No, they added smell the gasoline to make it. - So you know when there's gas around.

- I mean, that's a good idea. - But let me ask this. When there's a gas leaking your house, can you smell that? - Yeah, because they added it to it. - To that animal.

- It's a natural gas, yes. - I think they do add it, yes. And I was like, if you learn the hard way. - So it's all right? I feel like sometimes there's these stories

about people, there's a gas leaking the house. - I don't know what it means. - Yeah, that's different, that's like a byproduct. - If you have just like a gas leak, I think it smells like a smell, yeah.

- Yeah, or smells bad, whatever it is, I don't know. - Okay, so you guys need that. That was pretty mind blown. Okay, so here, fine, then smells in general. - There's some Dr. John, yes, this one's great.

- Dr. John, Dr. Jay. - Breakfast for Dr. John. - Breakfast for Dr. John is a six milligrams in a cup of coffee, which is ironic, 'cause I'm a doctor, and that shit's awful for me.

- Which one's in it, a coffee? - He said both, probably not for you. - We probably both, we probably is in, I don't know. - All right, so Dr. - Dr. - A lot of, a lot of, a lot of Dr. Smoke.

- Yeah, Dr. Jay says, "Listen, you do your discussion on rain, smells, trigger to feeling, triggers to feeling in humans. It reminded me of a lecture I got in medical school, and I apologize if this is too scientific,

but smell is the oldest sense that living things developed. Smell is essentially what we call chemo reception, and our nose takes a molecule and converts it into an electric signal, and our brain can interpret it. So even single cell organisms have chemo reception,

and because smell is our oldest sense, it is the only one of the human senses that has a direct path into your brain. So your all factory nerve, your cranial nerve one, takes smell, travels directly into your brain,

in the synapses, to a part of your brain connected to hippocampus, and that is the important, 'cause your hippocampus is where the long-term memories are formed, which is why we often associate smell

with our strongest memory back somewhere.

'Cause we always say, "Oh, smells is the strongest memory,

"it's like because it's the oldest thing, "and it's actually got a direct line." - Yeah, do you ever have something from your grandparent, and that it passed out and you smell it? You're like, "Oh my God, the next is like your grandparent's home."

- Funny say that the next one is spot. - Yes.

“- He literally says, "That's why you can smell your grandfather's”

"colon and immediately just pick your him and front of you." - We're here too. - Yeah, that's great. - Even like an old t-shirt can smell like a great, like you're like, "Oh yeah, smells like my grandparents' house."

- Yeah. - Isn't that crazy? - Yeah. - But like, it's just floating stuff. - And you're like, "Oh, that reminds me of back in the day."

- Smells crazy. - Yeah. - Okay, the last one here around the store, so either, I was just scrolling through. - No, this is good, here it.

- So this one's from Jess. - Can we buy one? - I don't, I need more information, and if you're listening to this in your horse person, I need to know about horses.

- Horse guy. - It's got there to a lot of, or horse person, and I need a fucking centaur, and we got a lot of information on half horse, just a horse person, full horse.

- So Jess emailed in, and basically explained,

that we come up rain, and because you were saying how people can smell rain, horses tend to give birth around storms and drops in barometric pressure, and obviously not all horses,

but like it seems like a lot of horse owners had this experience where horses either wait till after a bad storm, or during a storm,

if they'll be safe from like predators and stuff.

- Oh, interesting. - But I was gonna say, what is the advantage of giving birth during a storm? - Well, something prefer a water birth. - There we go.

- But yes, so it's just Christ. - So I was like, there's no, that was wild. But there's no way this is true and that a Google is Reddit threads of just all these horse people be like storms coming.

I think they're gonna give birth. - So wait, will they prefer giving birth during a storm, or do they wait till after? Or is it either?

“- That's why I'm asking for a horse person to,”

I wanna know more about it. - I'm like, they just give birth whenever and we're applying theory to it. That's what I want to do. - Storm or not?

- I don't know. - Right, so that's just light. - By the way, sometimes they also give birth before. - Yeah.

- Interesting. - Yeah, also while we're on the subject,

don't go look up baby horse hoves.

- No, don't do it. One of you is gonna do it. - Don't do it. - Don't do it. - You will regret it immediately.

- You didn't say anything, nobody would have done that. - We were talking about Craig, I really wanted to do it. - The last one here before we get out of here. We were talking about bad names and unfortunate names. - Yeah.

- 'Cause of eight holes. - 'Cause of eight. - 'Cause of seven. - The sonny, jerking. - Sonny, jerking since middle name is eight holes.

- They're all shit, they're all shit. - They're all shit, they're all shit. - Right. - He aged, not enough. - So, the last year there was a mayor,

a mayor, a mayor, or a election of race between, in framing him as a choosets. - Right. - And one of the guys running for mayor, whose name Jeff Epstein.

- Oh wait, didn't we already have this? - No, different. - No, no, no, no, that's Harvey Epstein. He was running for local council of York. The guy running for mayor of Framingham was named Jeff Epstein,

but he, it's with a G, different spelling. - And he's pronounced as an Epstein. - You have changed the name. - Sure, straight up. - But it was just everywhere it was Jeff Epstein

for mayor in this like small town.

“- Yeah, you have to, I mean, I suppose that,”

like it's your name out there. But you got to change that. - I'm sorry. - By the way, Ryan O'Hanlin, former ringer employee, slash our friend, takes to me.

And there's a soccer player, famous soccer player, whose name is Osama Vin Laden. - I saw this too, we got a nose up there. - What? - Yeah.

- So there's names Saddam Hussein. - Yeah, it is. - But we talking about his dad, his dad thought it was interesting, and then his dad would be like, that's a very famous people.

- Yeah, the dad wanted, how old were these guys? - They're like 25. - Osama Vin Laden is 23,000 in one. - 23. - Yes, he's the dad, I think he's with Ruby and Craig.

- Vin Laden. - Right, so right after 9/11, they named him Osama Vin Laden. - And the brother of Saddam. - So we're at 2002, yeah.

- Yeah, he's from Peru, and his brother is name Saddam Hussein. - The fuck are we doing? - I don't know. (laughs)

- That's what I was doing. - That was crazy, is there a different spelling there? Is it just Saddam Hussein? - Oh, that one's the same spelling.

“- There might, I think it's only one, D.”

- Oh, yes, sorry, it took a D out. So it's just, - Oh, so that's fine. - Actually, no, yeah. - Anyway, he said if he had a third study

and he was getting a name of George W. Bush. - This is like, I feel like you guys are not. - I'm actually acting strongly enough to this. - This is insane. - It's pretty fucking weird, it's weird to experiment.

- Yeah, this is a real boy named Sue type situation. You know, he's gonna grow up tough. - Sorry, I'm just reading the Wikipedia. - Yeah, no, it's pretty, it's pretty mind-blowing. - When Vin Laden had a son of his own,

his father suggested George Bush, but he chose a conventional name instead. - He was like, he's like, - My life's been fucking misery being made. - No, no, no, no, no, no,

- I just named my kid George or anything, but Sue. - Yeah. - Yeah, I don't know. - He is a quote. - My friends used to make fun of me at the beginning

and it bothered me, but you learned to live with it and I feel normal now. (laughing) - This is crazy.

- Imagine if your friends just never brought it up.

I asked my dad the reason he just avoids talking about it. (laughing) - It's like, Ricky, it was hot! (laughing) - They asked what I wanted in the perspective,

we got it. - I just, it was joking. - When do you think the dad regretted it? - Like, he definitely can't understand it. - It doesn't seem to regret it or whatever.

- He can't admit he regrets it. - He can't get it. - This is unbelievable. In a radio interview in 2020, he made the connection. When Osama bin Laden knocked down the twin towers,

the name was in the news, and I was born a year later, October 7th, 2002. He added that his father liked the name. He also stated that he had often thought about changing his name, but had not done so because he had come to accept it

to avoid criticism. Only his first name Osama appears on his jersey. He liked the name? (laughing) (laughing)

- Ugh. - Oh, okay, I would've gone with something else. - Sure. - Personally. - Okay, any other, I think that's the best name.

I don't, or the worst. I think that's the bottom of the barrel. - It's up there. - Down there. - I made a list the other day.

The other one that's not, along the same lines, it's not great anymore for a woman as ISIS. - Was that a name? - I knew, oh, I knew someone named,

- Yeah. - And I remember using Facebook Messenger, and it was across countries, and then there was a whole thing like Facebook, swept up a bunch of global data,

like were you just talking outside America? Like they would sweep it up, and I realized that the FBI or CIA was 100% gonna pick up

“me having conversations about what are we meeting E.C.s?”

- What are we, yeah. - And then Archon, in Archer,

when the their spy agency was called ISIS at first,

and they're like, okay, well, gotta change that now. - I wanna continue once more on this Wikipedia. - Creses, I can't believe. - Lin Laden was interviewed. He said, I do not believe my name to be problematic.

Citing, Peruvian politician, Hitler Sanchez. Who won a mayoral election over the ironically named Vladimir Lenin Rodriguez Valverde and it would be in 2018. - Wow, what is going on in Peru?

- Hitler Sanchez beat Vladimir Lenin Valverde. - I'm in awe. - I'm called. - I'm called. - We'll on that note. - Okay.

“- We've more draft shows coming in this week.”

- We have a real dicey decision of what we put in the title

of this episode. - Yeah. (laughing) - We're not the break and have a conversation. Thank you, D.K., thank you Craig. Thank you Austin, thank you Tucker.

Thank you Nick, thank you Jake. Shoutout to Nick's boat. I love that. - Just a 30 foot. - A 30 foot cutty.

- Cutty. - Thank you, I'm for listening. Email us around [email protected]. - Thank you, Lord. - Lord.

- Thank you Harry, Belafante.

- Oh, how come? - I don't know, I just saw it.

“- You know that, you know that song from Beetlejuice?”

- Which one? - Come men, me one and go home. - Yeah. - I gotta be honest, that's one of those people that I don't really know anything about.

- I kind of agree it's a name. - I know the name, but it's all I know. - I know. - It's a famous one. - Oh, jump in the line.

That's a great song. - Yeah. - I don't know that one. - Um, it's like, (laughs) sing it.

- That's a nice body and line. - Okay, is that the song? - I don't know. - I wish I could play it, but I don't want to get sued. Listen to that next to a moving body water.

You're cooking. - Also, the opposite of sitting next to a body of water, moving body water or rain is according to my dad. A desert wind, which is negatively charges the ions. So it sucks.

- It's like shit. - Interesting. - Because you're saying that. - You're also saying it's in your lungs. - Yeah.

- And in your eyeballs and stuff. It doesn't feel great. - Yeah. - Hot desert wind, thumbs down. - Thumbs down.

- Moving water, thumbs up. - Yeah. - Goodbye, everyone. - Sit next to a creek. - Yeah.

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