Mock Draft Oscars, All 32 First-Round Picks, and Heifetz's Birthday Revelations

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Yes. Keep that in. Welcome to the "Ringer Fettysing" Football Show aka the "Ringer Fettys" and "Draft Show" my name is Danny Hippets. I am joining by Danny Kelly and Craig Krill,

they're already sick of me even though we haven't started the show. Just wait, we are doing the mock draft. Oscars were decant.

I were going to alternate picks and do an entire mock draft.

And Craig, who is at the Oscars on Sunday, is going to be our Conan O'Brien and literally play us off with music if either of us drone on to watch. That's right, I don't think Conan was actually playing people off, but he was pushing the button.

And the purposes of this show, he was. And I will be doing that. I don't know if you guys saw the song "Golden," which is the original song from Team Up Even Hunter's "One" "Best Original Song."

And they got played off in a brutal manner. At least in our girl E.J. Kim on, she had a very nice speech and then some other dude tried to speak and they just blasted him off the music because earlier on in the broadcast, when they had extra time,

they let people bulldoze through the music where they kept talking through the music. When they turned the music back down. And so now everybody thought great. If I keep talking, I can power through the music

because at the end they were running out of time, even though these awards are technically more buzzy, they just completely neutered the golden guy. - That's true. - That's true at the tone early. - Yeah. - But the other crazy thing was,

they actually dropped the microphone early. They literally let people bulldoze say, they fake you out. - They just set the tone early, but the other thing is Craig, you were in person, they cut this in the broadcast,

but I don't think they just played the music on the guy. The mic would lower into this ground, like automatic, they would pull the mic stand up and down, and mic to the serve here in the ground. And for the music acts,

and they hold the microphone into the ground on the guy, they didn't just play music, they lowered the mic away from it while he was talking. - And Connie came out and he was like, you can't lower a mic on a man while he's trying.

- Well he's talking, and he's like that's hilarious. - So if you're watching us in Spotify, or watch us at Netflix, just put the episode on, while you're leaving your house, Craig also has remotely connected

and our microphones will just lower into the ground. - That's right, I've hacked into the mainframe, so I'll be controlling the board today. So when DK or HiFit starts droning on about some offensive line, and nobody cares about it.

The 21st pick, you're gonna hear this song. (upbeat music) - Which is the best copyright-free Oscar's-ish music we could find. (laughing) - Okay, so yeah, with that said,

by the way, before we begin one more note, if you're listening to this in the morning on Thursday, you technically have a few more hours to join our Mark's Madness bracket on ESPN. So do that, go to the link description of the episode.

“So unfortunately, HiFit's, I think HiFit's”

accidentally created a new bracket for this year, but then didn't realize that there was one from last year that ESPN automatically renewed, and I didn't know I thought I have to activate it, and I just made a new group, and I guess both groups are live.

So we have like half the people in one and a half in the other, and I'm sorry, and I should have checked it also, why does this automatically renew? - Yeah, it's more like 80, 20.

One is called Ringer Fantasy Football Show. That's got over 3,000 people, you could join that. One's called Ringer NFL Draft Show, Bracket Challenge, that only has 700 people. That's what?

- That's a win, yeah. - Maybe the one in each. - We will send merch to the highest score of both of the combined or maybe both. - Sure.

- Yeah, so join that link in the episode description and with that said, yeah, so we're gonna do mock draft Oscars, we're gonna go through all 32 picks. You guys are gonna alternate picks, like this is like you're the GMs of 16 teams each,

and I'm even, and I'm gonna put it right. - I'm gonna put it right. - DK's even, HiFit's is odd. - So, just like, just like real life. - We'll get things started with a technical category.

This is like, like, sound mixing, which they've gotten rid of at the Academy Awards. We're gonna start the Raiders number and overall pick. Everybody knows they're taking for D&M and Dosa, so I'm just gonna get, we don't need a speech behind that.

We know he's going number one,

“and I think we can officially start with number two,”

which has been for DK's, even. So DK, you're on the clock, New York Jets,

second pick in the mock draft Oscars.

Go, all right, I'm gonna go with the chalky pick here, RVL Race linebacker, out of Ohio State, very versatile, you can play on my linebacker, you can play on my off-the-edge. I think what the Jets didn't for it,

and see is his hedge and a lot of positions, they basically signed 12 different guys,

into drafting one position or one guy, but I still kind of like the, or I still really like the versatility that RVL Race brings. - HiFit's, what's say you?

- Yeah, I think you're dead, right,

so the Jets have the second pick

“and they have the 16th pick from the cults”

from the sauce gardener trade, and yeah, it's like they didn't have an intercept unless you're frankly going to probably get fired on the Jets if they don't have a better defense, so you take our VL Race here,

and then you get a receiver behind here, it will some later, and you can't do the other one. - You want me to name all the free agents to Jets signed this, this all season? - To my choice, what?

- Ah, David, I don't even want to walk for you. - Kingsley, I don't even worry, tomorrow David, it's just on the side, I try to write like a, make up it's Patrick, Dave Mountain.

- All right, we're back from commercial. - I want a literal hook, big old song. - I'm like, I don't care about the Jets. - Moving on, I don't care for Job. Moving on to the third pick.

- Danny, hi, if it's Arizona Cardinals on the clock. - Yeah, Cardinals are full rebuild. I'm giving Francis Mary Nella here, the tackle at my home, yeah, she goes by CC. This is actually, 'cause Francis is actually

as Americanized name, so it's actually, 'cause he's Simone, so it's, he actually, it's Francis, it's like shortened, but he actually, all his family and friends call him CC, and that's, it's spelled like Maui Goa,

but it's Maui Noah, because that's just the Simone pronunciation, but I'm kind of like, I'm, I, I, I, I, I'm curious you think, I don't think the defensive ends here are good enough, like David Bailey at a Texas Tech.

I just don't think he's a good enough run defender

for the Cardinals to take him third,

I feel like Ruben Dane is a great player, but the arm length, it is an outlier at number three that if you look dumb, if he ends up not being good, we'll gamble style. So I think the Cardinals are like,

just hit a layup, take Francis Maui, know what, right tackle, you have a pair of Johnson's junior left tackle, and like, just have good offensive lines for when the Cardinals take a quarterback in 2027, it's kind of a logic here,

it's, you get on base. I mean, I, personally, would probably, if I was a GM of the Cardinals, I'd probably take the past structure, but I totally understand building through the trenches

in terms of the offensive line, whatever ends up being the quarterback of the future will have just a better chance of succeeding along term, they got to fix their un-game. Which past rush would you take for Arizona?

Probably would take David Bailey, I think David Bailey, it's interesting because he's kind of being overlooked a little bit

because of the Ohio State brothers on his style

and our Valorese, and David Bailey is a very good past rusher, like he was extremely productive, high energy, create a lot of havoc off the edge, I don't know, I think he's in a elite run defender,

and he's a little light in the pants, but I mean, these guys aren't getting paid to start running. - That is such a thing, they're getting paid to make money. - They're getting paid to make money. - He's not at all a big joke or what?

- He's light, they all, they're paying. - That's not the same. - That was part of the whole region. - Hey, David, heard your light in the pants. - Imagine you go on a date with the girl,

spend a night with her, she goes home next morning with her friends at brunch. How was your date with Craig? He's a little light in the pants. - That's the root, I mean, it's about as brutal as you can get.

- How does that as it gets? - That's not what I was saying about it, you know? He's probably super well and down, how would I know, however his ass is not very big, is what I'm saying, but yeah, to me it's like,

it doesn't matter, he's gonna bring down the quarterback.

“That's really what matters with these guys.”

And so, I would have no fear drafting David Bailey at three. - And DK, you have Francis Maui, know a ninth on your big board, is that right? - Yeah. Where does he compare to somebody like Will Campbell

who went fourth last year in the draft? Like how good of a tackle is Maui, know a, compared to last few years, too. - He is probably aren't in that same range. I mean, there's some question whether he's gonna be a tackle

or guard at the NFL level, which is like pretty much exactly what we heard about Will Campbell. He played right tackle, primarily. So I think there's, depending on how you view that, you know, in the current NFL,

some people probably don't have a huge difference between left and right tackle anymore, because a lot of really good past pressures come off the right side. But that is sort of traditionally slightly less valuable

than a left tackle. And you know what I mean, he might be a guard at the next level. So I think he's gonna face a lot of the similar questions as Will Campbell did in terms of overall length overall foot speed, is he gonna be able to deal with guys off the edge,

super, super explosive guys off the edge. - You asked, pal, you asked me the question. - I, I got bored. - Well, that's good to know that he's kind of in that Will Campbell range, and now he's going earlier

than Will Campbell. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Can we break, can we have like a playoff music

“for conversations you want to get out of at like a dinner party?”

- That's like a curb here in these, he has an idea. - And what he does as music he plays. - He's connects to the worth of Bluetooth, it every restaurant he's in. - Okay, let's move on to the number four pick here.

DK, that's me. - Put your, put your, Mike Borganzi hat on. And tell me who the titans are taking at number four. I want you to do it, I want you to say it. - You don't need to say what, who they're saying it.

- You know who I want you to pick. - No, I'm not fucking doing it. I'm not doing it. I know everybody wants Jeremiah love to go to the titans

- Is this what you think should happen or what you think will happen?

“- I think there's a pretty strong chance that they do it,”

but I think it's incredibly stupid if they do it. - I'm thinking what I think will happen. We probably should have figured this up for the show. - 'Cause what's the point of doing a mock draft if it's just what you think should happen?

- I'm doing what I think the teams will do. - If you value my opinion, Craig. - Well, he's in the whole thing you try to get it as accurate as you can. - It depends, man, we're building things that could happen. Okay, fine, if we're gonna do it,

that's a good, that's a good way to reference it. If it's things that should happen, or things that you think will happen, I mean. - Yeah, things will happen even if we disagree. - Even though I think it's dumb,

I guess I'll put you out of my love here. I just don't think a running back is going to put them over the edge where they want to be. They have such a, the roster has so many holes, but it's gonna be, it's the siren song

of this guy's the most talented player at that spot.

- It's like getting your first Christmas bonus

and just buy a Rolex, you know? All right, I will disagree with DK, 'cause you said it won't get them what they want. It will get them what they want, because the underlying thing is, it's not about

completely, what they should want. - Selling tickets, tickets, and they have camward and no, but you said, community case, not selling season tickets, you know, they're opening a stadium. If you think a new owner cares about anything more

than when they open a stadium, like it is such a big project, it takes a decade, and it's the only thing that matters, it's set you up to sell the team. - There's different reasons, but yeah.

- People in this of dollars, if you're to sell the team, the stadium is different to Billy's dollars. I will just say this. - Panterian side of the country. - Panterian side of the country. I have an email, and don't play me off,

I have an email from Joe, coffee with a cream, and an almond grid all over for breakfast. He's Joe says, I'll do it quick. I live in Nashville, when the Titans announced the new prices for season tickets,

not a single one of my friends who had season tickets was going to keep their season tickets. Then the Titans realized that they weren't selling any, and so they hired a new person with Robert Solet and maybe an entirely new team, or sorry,

a new person, a new team who's an entire job was just to entice people to reap their season tickets, like they have refurbished their entire season ticket, I'm telling you, can more than Jeremiah love are going to be on giant banners on this stadium

in 27. I understand what you're saying. I get it, it's stupid, but that's fine. - I'll sound so dumb if they're wrong. If they just take a tackle, I'll feel like an idiot.

- I mean, we just saw the raiders do this.

- To be clear, the first pick of the game.

- Yeah, signing Travis HN, ATN for the Jag wars, and the chief signing Kenneth Walker from the C-Ox, was us seeing NFL teams think Jeremiah lives not going to fall to seven or eight. So like, NFL teams clearly think Jeremiah loves

going to be a top six pick. That is part of the reason we're getting confident

“about this, so it's like, well, who in the top six?”

- I mean, I did the pick. I think that there's a strong chance this happens. I'm just being very clear, I think it's stupid. - Yeah, how have faith would you have in Tennessee's offenses to your DKF?

They don't take Jeremiah love, and they basically start this season with Tony Pollard, community K, Old Calvin Ridley, and E-Look, IOM, and like if that's the team, - Juan de la Robinson, 90, and E-Look, of course.

- So how can I forget Juan de la Rosa? - Like, how confident are you that that offense can win five or six games? - Not very confident, but I also don't think Jeremiah loves going to add very many wins.

- You don't think you're going to do it all? - Oh, we've had this conversation a hundred times. A lead running backs, very good running backs. Move the needle for teams that are already really good. Very good running backs, don't reject shit.

- That is correct, that is mostly correct. However, if Kim weren't ends up being very good, and this is a leap year for him, I think Kevin Jeremiah love would help a lot. - I think that's fair, but I don't think he's doing it.

- The line is not in shambles. - Yeah. - Maybe.

- We just see this a million times.

- I like it, anyway, okay, let's move on. Hi, this is playing us off. We're going to go to the fifth pick in the draft. Hi, fits you are odd, which means you have your New York Giants who won't be getting Jeremiah love,

which means they will be getting who. - Oh my, whoo, I'm gonna catch his track. - Ho, ho, ho, my office, though. - You know what my hot take is, I think we need to get rid of home.

- I agree. - I don't actually know how to use it. - Who is that for? - Right. - What is my cat?

- My cat is trying to break down my door that is crazy, psycho, anyway. (laughs) - I'm having out you to nod your mind. - You know what?

- The only reason why home exists is so other people can correct you that it's home, not who. That's the only reason why it is 100%. - It's almost like the there, the everything, where it's like, yes, it's the wrong thing,

but don't correct it. - Remember in elementary school, you go up to the teacher, can I go to the bathroom? May you go to the bathroom.

It's like, (laughs) - That's how I feel about who home. - This is why the boomers hate on generation, but I didn't correct it, I corrected you, and I was kind of Joe,

I don't actually know if I corrected you for the correct way to do it. - And I didn't know if you probably did either. - Yeah, yeah. - Okay, hi, if it's who are the giants taking?

- I think the giants are going to take sunny styles in the situation.

“I don't know if I agree with it, but I think they are,”

because in short, I don't think the, John Harper says he wants to go big at the position, but they resound your main element or it right tackles, so I kind of don't think they take an offensive lineman here. Even though I think they should consider it,

I don't think they go defensive line, 'cause there's no defensive tack with good enough, and they have Abdul Carter and Brian Burns and Edge. And everyone's team says, "Well, we'll take the best player available."

which is why we talk at both sides of our mouth.

A lot of teams say they want best player available, and then they actually kind of limit best player available, within the positions we need to hire.

“And so I think they need sunny styles at linebacker,”

and, sorry, my cat, I don't know what's happening out there, I'm really concerned. - Do you need to check. - But, maybe. But, yeah, I just, I think the giants will take

during my love if he falls to five, but if not, I think they're happy to take sunny styles, and he's just a monster for them. And I'll be happy about it. I'm gonna make sure my cat's okay.

- Really? - Okay. - Tell me. (laughing) - Well, this is good 'cause this gives me a minute to think about who I want to pick for the freaking Browns.

- Okay, sorry, significantly winner. Cat was sleeping, I have no idea what that was. Did you hear what my door was just rattling? - No, it did not hear that. - You have door open, windy day, what's going on?

- I don't know what I want to think about it. - Okay, all right. - Paul, I don't know. - Well, we're now moving on to the sixth pick in the draft year, which is owned by the Cleveland Browns,

who have one of the worst offensive lines in the league decay, will you be going offensive line to protect and to Sean Watson and Shidorah Sanders? (laughing) - I don't know, man, like they signed a bunch of people

in the off-season, Zion Johnson,

“Elden Jenkins, Titus Howard, I think they traded for”

they have Tevin Jenkins already. So they've did enough here, where again, they kind of head-- - If you'll get about that, I'll finish one. - I don't feel proud of it.

- If you look at those teams, the Browns took the castoffs from the other worst of lines in the league. They took Titus Howard from the Texans, they paid Zion Johnson a guard from the Chargers. They took Tevin Jenkins from the Bears Offensive Line sucked,

and Elton Jenkins was cut from the Packers. - That's what we still wanted to link. - Elton Jenkins is good. Titus Howard, he was a guard, and he wants to play right tackle for money,

which makes sense. But the Texans didn't want to play him at right tackle. So it's like, the Browns do need a left tackle. My question to you is, do you think Spencer Fano that Utah tackle is a left tackle?

Or is he a guard? Because his arms are shorter than will Campbells. But some teams might have him as a tackle. - Yeah, it's possible. He played right tackle too, by the way.

He got replaced at left tackle. By a guy, Loma, who's gonna go quite a bit later, I believe. Caleb, Loma, so are you, Jay? - I'm going best player available here. I'm going, well, best player available and with one condition.

Since they took, they took, sorry, what's his name? Mason Graham last year, who is short, short arm, short arm, short arm, short arm, short arm. - Well, that's a good point, extra. I'm not gonna take Rubin' ban, I'm gonna take David Bailey,

because you don't wanna keep betting on outliers. Are you having the issue again? What's going on? - Do you use this? - No.

- We can't hear it. - Okay, then I'll explain it. I actually, this is, they're doing construction behind me. Got it. - Okay.

- If you can't hear it, I don't care. - This is so interesting, because I feel like that Brown's offense is completely in shambles, and their defense isn't bad, and they have a lot of decent pieces that you're someone okay with.

I mean, they have the defensive rookie the year last year, Carson's question here. But, this is a real best player available. This is Andrew Barry Analytics move, best player. - They also have Craig, they also have two first arm picks.

- Yeah, so they can get some offensive players later. I do think it, one thing that you kind of lose side of, during this time of year, when we're doing mock drafts and believe me, every time I do a mock draft someone's like, they don't even, that's not even a need for them, blah, blah.

And then every draft, weird stuff happens, and teams take players that they just think it's the best player. They double up positions in their, they strengthen on a strength, things like that.

This happens in every single draft.

- And there's always people say that people like that

make no sense. - Yeah, there's no way in hell this is gonna happen. Like, dude, have you ever watched the draft? Every year or something crazy happens. So, I try not to like get to behold into,

quote unquote, the biggest need for a team. When, you know, teams are just going to take the player that they think is going to be the biggest impact player over the long term. Look at how much roster is turned over year and in year out.

- It's a good point, it depends.

“The truth is, nobody drafts best player available”

after round 11. Like, after the round one ends, it becomes best player available if a crazy talent falls, then they're trying to hire. People at positions, they need like any other company.

And then the first round is kind of, but the question, some teams do it for the first round. 32 picks. Some teams do best player available for the first round grades where they have like 11.

And they don't see a difference between the 19th player and the 35th player as much as you think of. (laughing) Whatever. - Great, just straight face.

- I am drunk with power. (laughing) - I just heard that, let's be honest.

- It's such a powerful tool.

- I know, I really don't know what else the Oscars can do because it's so awkward and uncomfortable in the moment every time. But you can't, you can't just let people talk forever 'cause they will.

- I don't know. - You give people an ace, they'll take a mile. - It's sad because it's like they've worked their entire life for this two-minute stretch where they can thank everybody and acknowledge what they've done.

And it's like, yeah, yeah, keep a moving big guy. (laughing) - And everyone's like, mine's blank, it's like,

- Yeah. - Okay, moving on here. - So DK took David Bailey, the adressor to the Browns, 7th pick here, the Washington Commanders are up for hyphids here. The Commanders only have two picks in the top 140.

So it's very important, hyphids, what you do right here.

- Yeah, the second and fourth round of the Washington

gave to the Houston Lairmy Tonsl tray.

“So I think in this scenario, I think Washington could go defense,”

but they signed three adressors. They signed four defensive linemen. If you include Leo Chanel, they signed five defensive linemen kind of or a linebacker. I think if Washington's sunny styles this year,

they would do that, but the giants took them. I kind of think of Cardinal Tate Falls to Washington, they do that. Maybe they want to go defense, and maybe they would go Rubin' Bane, but I think Cardinal Tate to Washington

'cause Washington's depth chart is Terry McLean, and then it looks like Miami's, or looks like all these other teams. And frankly, I think all the teams that get the Ohio State receivers won another one,

'cause they're like, God, these guys are good and pro. - Why not? - Terry McLean's 31, and then the other guys are like, Luke McAfrey and Naomi Brown went back there and they're like, fours and fives.

And so I think Cardinal Tate with Jane Daniels, like, they need that to be better. And then Washington could kind of focus everything else on defense. So I would give them Cardinal Tate. Do you kid, does that make sense to you?

- Yes, I like that.

“I think, parent him with McLean is really interesting.”

Makes a ton of sense, you've got to put some skill player town around your receiver town, in particular early around your young quarterback. They cannot have another year, like last year, where Jane Daniels struggled and was hurt all the time,

and they got to put everything around him to succeed this year. So that one makes a lot of sense. To me, honestly, the commanders can go any direction, it wouldn't really surprise me.

They did kind of what the jets did, which was signed ton of players in free agency, and they don't have to paint themselves into a corner in any particular position. - I mean, yeah, the water severs in Washington.

I mean, it's at the point now where you're like, all right, we know Jane Daniels is good. Now we have to actually give him people to throw the ball too. Outside of McLean, Traylon Berks, Luke McAfrey, Naomi Brown, their tight ends.

They brought in Chica Conquail, but like, it's pretty bleak. So I like that, Cardinal Tate. - Okay, eighth pick, D.K. On the clock, New Orleans Saints. - I'm going with Ruben Bain here for Edge Player from Miami.

They do need Edge talent. They've lost some guys over the years. They generally speaking, the Saints are a team that likes to invest in the trenches. Over the last like five, six years,

that's kind of been their M.O. And I know that he has short arms, but man, he just plays so hard, he's so explosive, so strong. I don't think he in particular, I don't think his arm length is going to be a huge detriment to him.

I think it's maybe something that you see every once in a while, but he's still going to be a really good player, a really productive player. So I'm giving him, that's me, it's a really good value for them. - Yeah, you don't want to make a habit of betting

on outliers and Ruben Bain will have basically like the shortest arms of any first round or ever drafted,

“more or less, but I think that it is more important”

for an offensive tackle than a defensive end, 'cause as you said, D.K., the offensive tackles

almost always less athletic unless you're Trent Williams.

So you need the buffer, but defensive ends, you're kind of the one playing basketball, so it's better, but Ruben, it's always a weird term to use, but he plays violently, and I know that that's weird, 'cause frankly, it's weird to describe football players,

it's like violent, but you need to be a violent, you need to play violently to succeed in a defensive end and on the defensive line, and the Saints, I mean, Cam Jordan is 36, whether he comes back or not, then Chase Young has been hurt a lot,

and Carl Granger said it's like 29, like the Saints don't have a lot of defensive end-depth, and they say it's good when they're division, they're like one piece away and off, they're, I've sent you a lot like Washington,

they need a number to receive her, and then all defense, like the Saints have actually invested a ton in their offense around shock, it's like a lot of first-run picks, highly picked guys in offense, they need defense, and they say it's good easily when the NFC South.

- Yeah, the way this block has gone, Carl Tays been a guy that I've kind of connected to the Saints, so I've connected Jeremiah love, I think he probably not, if he does fall, he's not getting past. Although, I guess they signed E.T.N,

so that probably changes things now, but Travis, H.N, H.N, sorry, my bad, - No, it's going to take us years to, yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyways, this makes sense for the Saints, I think. - But you're right, I mean,

the, again, the Saints wide receivers dude, after Chris Alave, Devon Valle, Mason Tippedon, they have Bubmines, Kelvin Austin, Jalen Polk. - It's a lot, I'm seriously, the Saints in Washington rosters are oddly similar,

because they both have a number one Ohio State receiver in Chris Alave and Terry McLean, with a bunch of five receivers that are six or seventh-run picks or washed out of some other teams. And then they actually have a lot of investment

in the offensive line. They have both washing in New Orleans

as a first-run pick at left-ackelet, right-tackle,

on a guard, they have a quarterback that they like, they have a running-back, like Washington, just signed for Shadow White, the Saints at Travis H.N, and they kind of need a number two receiver, and then just half a dozen spots in defense,

and I think Carnal Tate would go to Washington or the Saints. - All right, so let's recap. Top 8 picks here, this, I wanna stop here because this leads in nicely to the chiefs at nine, and there's a couple interesting guys available for them.

So the Top 8 picks, if you're watching on Spotify, or on Netflix, you can see a little graphic.

You can see who the Top 8 picks have been,

but I'll run through them. The Raiders at one took Fernando Mendoza, the Jets at two areville Reese from Ohio State, the Cardinals at three took Francis Maui Noah, out of Miami, the Tackle.

The Titans took Jeremiah Love, running back out of Notre Dame. The Giants at five took linebackers on these styles, out of Ohio State, the Browns took David Bailey, from Texas Tech, the Eddresser, the Commander's Carnell Tate from Ohio State, the Wider Seaver,

and the Saints just took Ruben Bay in the Eddresser out of Miami. So now, we have the ninth pick coming up for hyphids. I'm looking at Caleb Downs, who some people think, "Hi, Vince, you think he's maybe the best player in his draft. "We have Spencer Fano, a tackle out of Utah,

"the chiefs lost their safety, Brian Cook this year, "but they had for the last three years, went to the Bengals, "and they obviously need offensive line help. "What are you doing?" So the chiefs have a tack for agency in a way

where they, some teams just put everything in a one spot and they're gonna draft the other. And then the chiefs have invested enough at every spot where they don't need to take any position. The chiefs lost their entire secondary,

but then they added guys like, "They signed some cornerbacks, they signed some save, "so they could do anything."

“I think you could take a corner back here”

'cause the chiefs just lost three cornerbacks in this everything. I think the chiefs should take a right tackle. I think the, so they cut Jewon Taylor, who was their side, Mr. Jewon, I call him the Beltline Taylor,

because he was the guy who was always fricking off sides.

And they cut him and they have Jalen Moore at right tackle, who was the Trent Williams backup for the 49ers they signed. But the chiefs, it's so many weird things. It's like left tackle is Josh Simmons, he was in and out last year.

That was his train situation. They have won you Morris, they have Jalen Moore. Patrick Lawrence is coming off a torn ACL and part of me is like, you're missing the force for the trees, really?

You take a corner back, take this. So I'm like, take an offensive line to protect Patrick Lawrence's off his torn ACL, think about the next decade. So I'm gonna give them Spencer Fano, the tackle at a Utah. And there are questions about length and everything,

but Daniel Jeremiah and Infant Network made a great point this week, which is the coach at BYU, played with Andy Reed at BYU, forever ago. And you can't, at the end of the day, full pulls like anything else.

Trust your buddies. Well, you can't underestimate two people kind of knowing each other. Kind of knowing each other about, like, hey, should I hire this 20-year-old kid?

Yeah, great kid, you're like, all right, my buddy, Mike, what he says, he's a great kid. Don't underestimate that.

“And I think great kid, you know they're saying those exact words.”

Yeah, oh, he's a great kid. And it's a great kid. Frankly, great fans of joke, but the arm link thing is easier to just miss when Andy Reed's like, my guy sees these a great kid.

Yeah. And so I'm gonna give him Spencer Fano. This is, that's a good little tidbit. Yeah, that's good. Okay, Chiefs, are you really gonna regret

protecting my homes? Like, you're gonna look back on that. Like, there's no way that that's like bad. No, 'cause my two cents. All right.

Well, so funny, sometimes this is like the one thing that came into my head is when you have players, that have the same color, uniform, in college, and in prose for some reason, it like works. T-shirts, except for Caleb Johnson.

So, yeah, that's right. T-iggins, Clemson to the Bengals. Yeah, yeah. All time, or for that one for me, I agree. I think, it's,

LSU a little bit, like it's like yellow purple, just in Jefferson to purple, yellow with the black things a little bit, it's more helmet. Yeah, well, the one that I was thinking of, that I just made fun of Craig of,

I don't know if you caught it, Craig, but Caleb Johnson, the running back went from Iowa to the Steelers, it was almost identical uniform, did not work out great yet. But, there's time, there's time.

Yeah, that's been a disaster. My Kevin's, NM to Bucks. Well, that's kind of kinda, I guess I told him that a little, I mean, what, they're both like dark red.

“Come on, no, I think you're right, you know.”

He's like, well, one's maroon. All right, okay, 10's pick. Cincinnati Bengals. Oh, you're, sorry, you're right about Evans. Uh, he can run the clock here.

Sprinting to the podium to take Caleb Downs, Ohio State Safety. The Bengals just need defensive players, period. And I think this makes sense. They did sign Brian Cook.

I kinda still like this though, like, get as many guys in that secondary as you can. I don't think that precludes them. Brian Cook is sort of like a thumper type and Caleb Downs can play all over the defensive formation.

He can be kind of like a nickel back. So yeah, I do think even with what happened in free agency for the Bengals, sprinting to get one of the best players in the draft. Even though the potential knee issues here.

Hi, fits you like this? Yeah, you know, the Bengals are an organization that they just love football players, man, you know what I mean? And obviously, like, the Bengals are in a group of teams like me, like the Saints, the Cowboys,

the Saints Washington, there are like five or six teams that are almost done on offense. They have like nine or 10 players

that they've paid or put a first from pick into an offense.

And then defense, they did half of the players. And you look at the defense, you're like, yeah, they lost tri-hangers and they use a pass-rusher. But, you know, if Ruben Bayan has gone and David Bailey's gone, I think the Bengals

are the kind of team that we just, they're like, I love, same reason I love Caleb Downs. We're like, man, I know it was positional value, safety, whatever, but I'm like, this Caleb Downs is so impressed to me

I love the playway tackles.

Again, it means something to me that Caleb Downs was the captain of the Championship Game on how to stay played versus Notre Dame when he was a transfer that year. Like that means something to me.

There was like, if you combine last year in this year, there's probably like 15 guys, 16 guys are gonna be drafted from the house to the defense and the transfer comes in as one of the younger guys and gets to be the captain,

I just think he's the glue of everything in each hit. I love Caleb Downs. So I think the Bengals will too. I think it totally makes sense for me. - Number 11 here, high fits.

We have the dolphins who also just acquired the 30th pick in the draft by trading jail and model. So they have 11 and 30. Who are you giving them at 11? - So the dolphins, it's weird

because now you gotta remember the dolphins are run by the Packers now. Like the Packers brain stresses, right? - Yeah, that's weird. So you wanna, if Colonel Tape fell to Miami,

“I think the Miami would take Colonel Tape.”

In the situation where he's gone, he looked at Jordan Tyson, who was a great receiver from Arizona State but has a lot of any issues. Had a collarbone broken,

had multiple ACL tear and I'm like, the Packers don't take these guys. I think it makes sense. You're Miami take the guard. I'm gonna go with Vega, Yuanay.

Did you come and do that right? And it depends. - So. - It's a guard, I don't care, he's a, he's a, he's a, I just, Miami needs to get tougher in the trenches man.

Like the book of Miami, little soft, Tua, I don't think had a great situation in Miami,

but also to a never had a good offensive line.

Miami missed them a lot of their players. Austin Jackson's back for them, but a right tackle, it's a one-year deal for not that much money, you know, I think they're gonna have like,

like, Jamari Salier at right tackle from the charge. It's like a minimum deal. Like they don't have a right guard. And I just think Miami needs to have an interior that can protect Lake Lewis and like,

if Lake Lewis is not the quarterback of the future long-term,

“you need to build something where he can succeed.”

And then you have all these other picks. They have four third rounders, they have a second rounder, they have another first. That's where you just take volume darts at receiver and see you don't try to at the receiver.

So I never see for as tempting here, but I would just do that later and get the guard down. - When your offense is stripped down, when your entire team is stripped down to the studs, like Miami's like, just start with the trenches.

- Yeah. - Yes. - And texture quarterback. - No one's gonna be upset if you have a good offensive line in a bad quarterback.

Jim Harboss said, offensive line's the only position that makes every position better, literally every single one in the team. - Okay, that gets us to the 12th pick here, Dallas, on the clock, DK, what are the Cowboys doing?

- So I think defense is where I go to with the Cowboys and in particular, I'm kind of looking at corner, just the way, what things have shaken out in Dallas, I feel like quarterback is kind of an issue for them. And Mansour Delayin, I think is who I'm gonna go with here.

I personally really like Avian Tarrell. He's AJ Tarrell's little brother, but he's a little bit small. Some people think he might be more of like a nickel back type. I'm not sure he would go quite this high.

So I'm going with a guy who is,

“I think generally known as the number one corner in this class,”

there's a handful of guys that could take that title. But he's really, really instinctive, can play a zone, can play man, just kind of like a plug-in play starter for a team that needs more help at corner.

- Talk to me about this corner back class a little bit and general, how, well, I think it's an interesting one. I don't know if there's any top 10 picks at corner, just because every guy in this part of this whole class it feels like every guy kind of has like a butt attached

to them in terms of like Mansour Delayin, you know, really instinctive, good ball production, but a little bit slower, a little bit less length or whatever. So maybe not at number one corner back. Avian Torell, same deal, he's a little bit small.

Jamal McCoy, Tennessee is really good. His 2020, four tables are really good, but he didn't play in 2025. And then he didn't compete at the combine. So people are wondering what's going on with his knee

'cause he had an ACL injury. - And they drafted Chavon Revell last year

as a rookie in the third round

who had a knee reconstruction. Jamal Blan has two foot surgeries in two years, which is like, you can't draft another injured corner. - Right, that's a great call. - So, and then Craig, your boy, Chris Johnson, San Diego State Corner,

man, he's really fun. I'm really hoping he kind of, the C-hawks, I have kind of circled for him, hopefully. Caleb Colton Hood from Tennessee, the guy that played opposite or sort of the opposite of McCoy,

also very intriguing. This is a pretty good class of corners, but just no elite guys I would say, Brandon C. Safe from South Carolina is super fast, the original Ponds, Indiana.

Another guy who's super undersized, but just plays like a maniac in a good way, kind of got the Devon Weather Spoon Persona to him. Keon is, Keon tastes got from Miami another guy, who's kind of in that same mold,

where a little bit undersized sort of a nickel-back guy, but plays really hard, ferocious. I really like this corner class. I'm just not sure if we're gonna see a top 10 guy. - That's the thing, so you hate cornerbacks.

- I know, some of these corners, this year are really fun to watch, and again, I don't wanna make everything about Devon Weather Spoon, because I just love the way he plays, he's so ferocious, so tonnacious, tone-setter,

You see a couple guys in that curve. - You can tackle. - Yeah, Avian Torrell to me is one of those guys, where he's just, man, he's just everywhere. He tackles, he's a blitzer,

he ups the intensity on a defense, like I said, digital Ponds, undersized, but super fun to watch. There's some nickel-back type guys in this class that are gonna be really fun to watch in the course.

- So that point, the coverage taking me into the top cornerback in this draft probably makes sense, because the coverage, honestly, I would argue that Cowboys have missed three picks in the first round in the last 20 years.

The Cowboys always hit.

Like the Cowboys pick is always like,

they're kind of like the Ravens are like damn, I can't believe that happened, and to lane for one of the Cowboys, like they would take them, you're like, oh yeah, they got a good football player.

- Yeah, Jerry knows. - Don't question Jerry. - We'll look later, though, but yeah. - All right, 13th pick, the Rams. So DH, you're on the clock here,

the Rams did have two first round picks, but they gave one to the chiefs for Trent McDuffy. So now they just have the 13th pick, which they got from Atlanta. So hi, if it's what are the Rams doing at 13th?

- We're on the phone with how he rose, Ben. - Ooh.

“- I think the Rams are getting two calls.”

The Lions are on the phone. The Lions want to trade up. - The Lions have the night, the 17th pick, the Lions want to move up forward. - DK, wait, can you play Brad Holmes, DK?

- So you get a carry on your giant balls in with you if you can. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, wait. - Who, what, running back or receiver am I trading up for here? - We can't tell ya, I'm the Lions too.

You know, I can, I do think the Lions are on the phone. They're like, "Oh, we want to move up!" But you're like, "Remember, we, we made, "because Brad Holmes worked for the Rams." - Yep.

- And the Lions, Rams are like, "You want to give us a fourth to move back "for spots and less things like, you know what? "We don't hunt for baitfish, right? "We're going for sharks."

- Like, we're trying to get him. - The next year's first. - Gotta get a Marlin. - Yeah. - So I wanna ask you guys,

do you think the Rams pay up for like an agey round or a max crawls be deal and like, 'cause they say they're out, but draft night or do they pick? Because I don't think they move back

unless they're getting a first or like a future first

like last year or a player. I don't think they're moving back for spots. - Do you think they would move on from Devontae Adams if they're bringing an agey round? - No, they're winning a Super Bowl.

They don't give a fuck. - That's kind of wild to me then. Go ahead, I really don't understand. I feel like the one thing I didn't think the Rams needed was another wide receiver.

I feel like-- - Well, Devontae Adams. - He's bad.

“- The injury situation, I think is like kind of weighing”

on that one. - Yeah. - But Lucas, not exactly, he's not a careful guy. - Also like try to guard those teams. It's like, it's an embarrassment of riches.

It's like imagine showing a baby with the best players. - That's the most great teams or a great coach with a ton of great players. - Yeah. - Man, just the idea of AJ Brown, Puka and Devontae Adams' role

and out there in the playoffs and they're all probably gonna be hurt, but. - So you're saying the Rams maybe give up the 13th pick for AJ Brown. - Yeah, I don't know what I kind of want to do.

I don't know if this is really gonna happen, but I kind of want to do it. - That would be ridiculous value for Philly. - Yeah. - Ridiculous.

- Is that wrong? I don't want to do it if you think that's wrong. - I don't think they're giving up. - I don't think they would do that either. - No.

- No. - Watch your get your runs too old. (laughs) - Oh, man. - You think you say you're runs 28?

- It would be more complicated than straight up for 13 probably, right? Like a trade back, plus next to your second or something like that. AJ Brown is 29 on June 30th, so he's 29 for the season,

and I don't know, man. I mean, maybe they don't care about the headache and they think that he can slot in and it's like a, you know, O'Dell on the Rams type of thing.

But let's just avoid doing trades, and this just because it's okay. - Oh, I'm gonna do it. - Oh, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna call you next time.

- You never told me this beforehand, but okay.

- Let's okay, I'm gonna call you. - So wait, what are they doing here? - DK, do you think it's crazy if the Rams take my Kylemon here? - No, I don't know if I feel about him

as a first rounder to be totally honest, but I kind of think the Rams won't ever see her. You know what? - What about Jordan Tyson?

“- I think McCoy Lemon, if, you know what?”

- Provide something of the Rams don't have right now. I feel like he's stylistically is like something new for them, but I like Jordan Tyson way more to be honest. - I'm gonna do Jordan Tyson

because I think Jordan Tyson makes sense as the Devont Damage replacement. And I think Jordan Tyson is a great third receiver, but Devont Damage is, it's gonna be 34, and then Tyson, his style and everything,

like just the really, he's not like the fastest straight line guy, well honestly, a lot of those guys, I think Jordan Tyson makes a ton of sense for the Rams and he can help him immediately, but then I do think in two years,

he's the man meter for the Rams, and then he stays in the zombie room. So yeah, I'll give them a little bit of that. - There are some aspects of Jordan Tyson's game that remind me of Devont Damage.

Like just like, footwork in the short area of weakness that he has, like his wiggle is reminiscent. And I don't think he's nearly as good at the catch point as Devont Damage says, but it's an underrated part of a receiver

because we have SES over Xavier where they have the straight line speed, but much of a receiver of what actually succeeds is could you actually beat someone off the triple and basketball?

These are playing back, and Xavier is fast, but could he get around a corner back to the basket to where he's going? Not necessarily, and like that's,

he's the Kyrie Irving of receivers. - Jordan Tyson has good game field, like even if he's not faster than Xavier, where he moves well in the field, and like when he's going left to right and forward and back

and diagonally, like he has agility and speed that way, and you can just jump top and you just see it. - And the catch radius. - You want a guy with a catch radius for that, where Stafford's going to be like,

put it into this really small window and Tyson goes up again. So yeah, I'll give Tyson,

“and I think you can open one of Superl this year,”

which is the point. - That's incredibly sexy. And what it's funny, okay, now that you attach a name to it, would you trade Jordan Tyson for Xavier Brown straight up? - You know, it's funny, it's hard to say,

because in one hand, I'm curious who you think decay, but Jordan Tyson is in the injuries, but so does AJ Brown. AJ Brown played his whole second season, he got like 11 other yards and he told him he's after the season.

Like how much better will 2020-26 and 20-27 be for AJ Brown than Jordan Tyson? - I think AJ Brown's really underrated, because-- - Other than AJ Brown.

- Right. - I think AJ Brown is the most obvious by low candidate. I think the, the reason is, I think what he's, I think AJ Brown is still like an elite football player, and everyone's like, oh, he's frustrated,

but we're also like, oh, so the Eagles might replay, any year from now, the Eagles might be talking about replacing Jalen Hertz for two years, and we're gonna look back, and we're like, oh yeah, Jalen Hertz was, AJ Brown was probably right.

If I think AJ Brown could get traded and have 1600 yards next year, I wouldn't be shocked at all, I think it's a little top six, right?

“- Right, I think that's right, I think I would lean towards that.”

- Okay. - Okay.

- Here's what the knee is, we don't know how he'll age,

but I think he's incredible. - 14th pick, decay, Baltimore Ravens. - What the hell do I do with the Ravens? - I'm on the phone, I got it, decay, don't worry. - Thank you, save me.

I'm on to the lines here, we'll call on, we have the fourth round pick, we will give you our fourth and we're gonna give you our fourth round pick, and we want to swap seconds. So you can just have our fourth round and move back three spots, or sorry, four spots here, and you can just have 120th pick,

and then on top of it, you're also gonna be able to move up a little bit in round two, or sorry, never mind, not round two, that's a different thing. I'll give you a fourth rounder, deal, that doesn't feel like very much. - I get a third. - We don't have a third, we don't have a third because we love,

this is why I'm calling it the lines, lines get itchy, the lines straight up for James and Williams. - We can come up with a creative compensation here, and I'll just say go ahead, because I do think the Raven, they're sort of like a tear drop here for offensive line men,

and edge players and stuff like, I think moving back a few spots is not gonna hurt the Raven. - And the lines get so itchy when they want to play. - Yeah.

- And they trade up all the time, the Raven's always trade back.

So I really do think that this is an obvious one. - Okay. - I'm gonna have the lines move up,

“and I think the lines are gonna take Monroe Freeling,”

the tackle from Jordan, and I'm curious if you agreed to it, but it's very simple, it's the stat, we none of us can really not stat, but the fact none of us can really get over, which is the lines have one starting off

it's a alignment from two years ago, and they were like, it's the identity of the team. The lines probably have bigger needs, they might need an edge rusher, they might need whatever, but the lines identity has to be moiling, running the ball,

they have to get back to it. I think the right side of the line for Detroit's okay, they have Pinesuels, like, top two right tackle in the NFL, Tate Relage, literally, I think it'd be good, they got a center, Kate Mays, the Panthers guy.

The left side, they have Giovanni Monneau, who, what is he from British Columbia, he was like a third round pick, something to happen, something to happen. - Talk about that, imagine Tim Buck II, yeah.

- Oh, he didn't, what is he like, he's like a clumb man. - He didn't, like, I don't think, I don't know if he even played college football as my point, like he's like a total project. And the idea that, like, yeah, he went to college

and used the first player from the University of British Columbia

ever drafted in the NFL, like he didn't go to college football program. And so, that's the starting left tackle for the lines this year. He's just, that's a swing tackle project. And so, I think the line's trading up for Monroe Freeland,

which tells me if you disagree to get, he's like, I think has the physics, and I could be wrong. I think it's the physicality that Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes would be like, he's a line. - Yeah, I can see this.

- I think in your draft guy, you have Mr. Fleisty and I think they need someone like that. - Really, really athletic, mover, light feet, tons of length. He's kind of got that, he's a little bit of a project

think won your starter, but he's got the upside to be a really good player for a really good starter for years and years. - And they cut Taylor Decor, the left tackle? - Yeah, yeah.

- And to stress why the lines would do this, DK according to your big board. So if they take Monroe Freeland here at 14, you don't have another offensive lineman until 27th on your big board.

- Yeah. - Yeah, I think that, and high fits when I was thinking of who to give the Ravens here. I'm like, I don't know, like maybe they would go offensive line, but I think with Ronnie Stanley, just signed a contract last year.

So they got that guy and then they got Roger Rosengarnet, the right tackle spot. So they're probably not going to take them out, they're tackled, and yeah, whatever. - The number 15th pick, the Tampa Bay Bucket Nears.

- Typhets, who will they take? - I'm giving them a key message to her,

He's the other one aside from Ruben Bay in the edge of Russia,

and he is the one who's 25 years old, and some teams want youth. Some teams don't. The Bucket Nears are a win now. Todd Bowles is as hot seed as you can get

for an established coach. Todd Bowles fired all three coordinators. And on it, Bucks are quietly a mess. Like they fired all three coordinators. Mike Evans left, they collapsed down the stretch.

They should have won the division. They did it like, dude, it's crazy. I like week five last year, and the Bucks were like a top four Super Bowl favorite. - They absolutely collapsed.

- Baker Mayfield was like an MVP. - Yes.

“- And so I think some teams look at the age thing”

and are bad. Todd Bowles is a short term. They're like, we need a not that he's making the pick. Jason Light is the GM, but I think Todd Bowles needs to pass for his or contribute.

Trevor Sikomov, who does great work on the drafted profile focus, is a huge Bucks fan. I really trust what Trevor thinks about the Bucks,

and he thinks they've needed edge pressure for years.

None of the past wrestlers did Bucks have picked DK have made it. Like, they have like, yeah, yeah, they have like, you know, Chris Braswell was from Bam, kind of a run pass guy, Joe Tran, Sri Lanka,

like none of these edge wrestlers have really made it in fact. Like, the Bucks used to be defined by it when they won the Super Bowl with the Brady. It was before Brady got their edge defense.

They need pass rush. So I think Tampa is going to take someone who can contribute immediately. - That makes sense? - Do you like Mr. Dwarr as a player?

- I do, man. - I think he's really good. - Well, he could be 25 years old. - 25 years old. - Yeah, Jim Carrey from the Kable guy.

- Right, he's got to watch that movie. Frickin' hilarious. Just an absolute maniac on the field. You don't want to be near him on the field in a good way, complimentary.

So I do like him.

“I think the only problem is he's a five year player,”

whatever, he's a six year player. He's going to be 25 years old as a rookie. So there's some concern that he's sort of at the peak of his development arc and won't get any better or wasn't really all that good until he was 25 years old

playing against 18 and 19 year olds. - What's the midshad bird wine? - Wish I could go back to Little League now. - I'll kick some fucking ass. - Yeah, I do really like him.

I think he's, in a similar vein is ruined vein, honestly, just an absolute ferocious. (upbeat music) (laughing) Craig just said--

- We're halfway through the show, baby. We gotta keep moving. - I was about to tell you, you gotta be a little more trigger-happy on that on the playoff music 'cause we gotta keep going.

- Be careful with what you wish for, sir. - Right now. - All right, the jets are up at 16 D.K. What does that mean? - Yeah, that's doing.

- This is the sauce guard in their pick. - I'm gonna give them, dude, I'm looking at their roster. They spilled so many holes. I'm not, maybe you don't filled as the right word, but they addressed a lot of holes on their defense

in for agency and in trades. So I'm going to address the offense here. Gino Smith, give him at least a fighter's chance of doing something this year, and I'm gonna take my Kyle Lemon from USC,

who I think is a good compliment to what they have at the receiver core. Garrett Wilson, kind of a do-everything guy, 80 Mitchell. He showed some flashes as an outside player for them, but put my Kyle Lemon in the slot,

“and I think he could be really, really productive for them.”

And doing run after the catch stuff, he's really, really tough at the catch point, gives them some tenacity on offense. Yeah, I mean, you saw him, like the serpentine interview at the, at the combat, he's just an intense dude.

And I really like him, I think, you know, he has the potential to be productive from day one for them. - I gotta say that jets take in a guy name lemon. - No shot. - I couldn't agree with him.

- Dominated to turn around.

- You drafted a lemon in the first round?

- What? - The jets took a lemon right itself. - Yeah, I mean, round two of Gino Smith on the jets throwing no guy name lemon. - Oh, right, there's no way.

(laughing) - Okay. - Yeah, that's fair. - So, quick, let's review the last eight picks here. Once again, if you're watching on Spotify or Netflix,

you can pull up the video, and you can see our graphic of the picks so far. - So go Netflix when you're leaving your house. - That's right. - Let your dog watch us.

- Okay. - So the ninth pick, or your cat, ninth pick in the draft, we gave Spencer Fano, the Tackle of the Chiefs, at 10 the Bengals took safety Caleb Downs

out of Ohio State at 11. Miami took Vega, Ioni, you want it? - You want it? - You want it. - And I do.

Dallas Cowboys took Mansour Delane, knee, delane, delane. - Delane. - These are hard. - Delane at 12, at 13. We had the Rams taking Water Sea for Jordan Tyson.

- 14, we had a tray, the Lions traded up, DeGrabman, Rho, Freeling, the Tackle from Georgia. The Box at 15 took Adressor, a key Messador, and the Jets just took Mackay Lemon, the receiver at a USC, which now high fits the ravens,

they've just traded back to 17. I have a feeling you're gonna give them Sadique Bay here because they need a tie-in. I mean, Sadique Bay, Kenyan Sadique, not the NBA player. That would be good, though.

- Well, I think Dica is on Raven's duty. - Do you want me to take this one? - Oh, this is Dica, yeah. Are you giving them Kenyan Sadique? Now tie-in, they lost Isaiah likely?

- No. - Mark Andrews is all, do you not doing it? - I don't know, I think they, I don't know. That's a good question. The ravens, it's interesting because if you look at the last few years, the biggest hits in the draft

have been quote unquote non-premium positions. You look at like, Kyle Hamilton. - Kyle Hamilton, Tyler Lindervom,

and like fallen to them because they're not premium positions, but then they turn into all pro players. Kenyan Sadique could be an extra in that line.

“- I think they'll just do the sort of ravens thing,”

which is address the trenches, big, big, strong,

powerful high-up side pass pressures.

I'm gonna go with Keldrick Falk from Auburn. He fits kind of what they've done in the past where you're looking for traits over production. Maybe they'll change now because it hasn't really worked out for them, that's kind of why they trade

for Max Crosby and then backed out of it. - They took a doff of the way to Penn State. You know, Chris A. - Yeah. - But I don't know how, I don't know if they're gonna completely abandon their previous philosophy

or maybe I don't know, but that's just kind of like where I go. - It's for like two days and then they regretted it. - Yeah, they're like, I gotta go back to my wife. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna go with Keldrick Falk.

He's just big, strong, athletic, very young. Like tons of upside potential to, as he grows, like, you know, figures out more moves and things like that as a past pressure. But I just think from day one, he's a, you know,

plug him in and he's just gonna like wreck shop on the defensive line. - Speaking of the ravens, I know I'm watching Mad Men and I'm comparing everything to Mad Men right now,

but spoiler in a show that's like almost 20 years old. But I got, I'm just spoiled season six. So skip forward if you want. But I got to the point where Ted's sleeps with Peggy and then he's like, I love you.

I'm gonna leave my, like, let's get me. I love you, like, let's do this. And Peggy's like, okay, and she's like, don't rush it, like, I don't wanna scan it like, he's like, I'm gonna leave my wife and he goes home

and he gets into it and he sees his kids and he's like, what am I doing? And he's like, we're moving to California. He's like, I'm getting away from this world.

“And like, this is the ravens, like, that's what the ravens did.”

They're like, Max crawled up and doing this. Like, we're doing this and then they saw the thing, they went home and they're like, what am I doing? And then she takes the truck. - They got hormonal as Peggy Carroll would put it.

- So who does that make tray-hundreds in bed? - Is that, who's that? - The California office. - Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Be careful, yeah, I don't know.

- I'll walk on the beach, all right? - Yeah. - So that brings us to Pick 18, Minnesota Vikings. - Okay, what do we think of? - This is like absolutely chalk now

because everybody is connecting these two players or the player and team here, but I'm going to Dylan Thineman, Oregon, safety. Just the Harrison Smith replacement. And he is so, he's one of my favorite players

in this draft full stop. He's just really athletic. Rangie, hard hitter, plays with good discipline. One of the most athletic players in the combine, I just think there's a ton of,

a ton of upside here, he is this year's version of Nick M. and Warrior, I think. - Well, Dylan Thineman is white chalklet, make a Fitzpatrick. - Right.

- Like, but except the league now is better suited to make a Fitzpatrick still skill set than when he came in. Like, make a Fitzpatrick was in the dolphin. They didn't really fit anywhere, he's a tweener. Then the students gave up a first

to get make a Fitzpatrick. 'Cause the first time these students have given up their own first run pick in like 50 years.

“That's how good they, my ton of thought,”

make a Fitzpatrick was who's incredible.

That skill set of being able to play all these different positions on defense that five years ago was like, "Oh, what do we do with this guy?" Now it's like, it's like NBA, switch everything.

Oh, you can guard a big. Now you gotta be able to take a point guard at the top of the key and so like, they need cornerbacks who can switch on, now that they have more tight ends.

Can you do a tight end? Can you blitz? Can you take on a block? Can you tackle it running back? Can you, like they need guys who could do everything.

Tina, man, it's so athletic. Block. (laughing) I was close and, yeah, no, you're right. (laughing)

You're right, you're right. It's a good pick though, I like it. I'm excited to watch him. Everybody loves him. I feel like since the combat,

now I've been hearing about how much of a freaky is. Yeah. Okay, that brings us to the 19th pick. The Panthers, high fits. What are the Panthers doing in 19th?

So this is the first one where I'm a little,

I think the Panthers also need to safety and would love Tina been to fault of them and would take Tina in a heartbeat. But Frank, I don't know what to do here. I think Carolina is a little more analytics

oriented than you think. I don't know what they would do here. Part of me thinks the, part of me just thinks the obvious answer is maybe Carolina just takes

Kate and Procter out of Alabama, which is a little crazy. But Iki Aquano, they're left tackle out of very serious knee injury and maybe I'm over rating that. But part of me is like, just take an offensive lineman,

like you cannot lose the offensive line for Bryce Young. I know they have Taylor Mozart's tackle. - It is very crucial. - He can get one at left tackle. - And they brought in when she walked her as well this year.

They signed Richard Walker. - Yeah, I guess maybe they wouldn't do that, but I look at the other players. - They don't have the tight end. Why does nobody pick and Kenyans to dig

when they not get a tight end? The Carolina's Tommy Tramble, Jutavian Sanders, who do they have a tight end? - Because there's a lot of, I think it's honestly, it's not that different than fantasy football,

where you're like, do you want to take a tight end in the second round? Like yeah, I get one later. Because it's like, can you get a defensive tackle in the third round? It's really hard.

But a tight end. I mean, training, Brian was a second round pick. Kelsey was a third round pick. George Kittle was not a first round pick. All the great tight ends, not that other than,

I mean, who, I mean, really,

not, if you look at the best tight end thing in the NFL, Tyler Warren, Tyler Warren. - Yeah. - Tyler Warren was good, but like Tucker Graffers,

I think he was the second tight end

that Packers took in that draft. - Sure. - So I think teams want to wait. - What about a safety? What about our manual, Big Neo Warren?

- You know what, maybe, honestly, that's probably the right answer. Can I swap it out? I think that's the correct, 'cause I think they need sure.

Panthers really need a safety. And the defense is really close. Offensive put in, again, they're another team that has jail and co-content, McMillan, they have Bryce Young, they have everything else.

“And I think the defense, like, you know,”

yeah, so I think that makes sense. - McNeil Warren, he's another one that got a ton of buzz in Indianapolis. - Yeah. - I feel like he has a great peanut patch, Craig.

He just punches the shit out of the wall and it's awesome. Okay, that's my analysis on that. - Okay, so we're officially giving McNeil Warren to the Panthers. 20th pick now, DK, we have the Cowboys.

- Cowboys, yeah. - That's right.

- So they were doing the first,

they're first of two first rounders, I picked Mansour Delane, LSU corner. I think the Cowboys, one of the main reasons they traded, Michael Parsons was so they could add multiple players to their defense

and try and not be just so, I don't know, one guy. I am kind of looking at Kenyan City here and I'm interested, you know, Jake Ferguson, I think is a fine player, but he's not like a game-changing talent.

He's not someone that can tilt the field in any direction. But I think I'm gonna go meet and potato's here. Edge, TJ Parker, Clemson.

“This is the range where I think guys like him”

will start coming off the board because he was one of those players who at 224 was much more productive, he kind of fell off in 225. The production wasn't there what people thought they should, or he should have or was expected to have,

but you could say that about pretty much everybody on Clemson in general is just a really disappointing air for them. And so I think he did, you know, enough, he flashed enough in terms of power on the edge.

He's a big body guy, good upside potential to get back, you know, on the positive as a past stretch because like in 2024, he was pretty productive as a past stretcher. So I think teams are still gonna look at that

and think this guy, they can extract some of that from him and going forward. So I'm gonna go with TJ Parker for Clemson. - I think that makes sense. I mean, they need a different, they need a past stretch.

I'm trying to think that the cowboys had a past stretch or recently that was good, that they needed a place. - Hmm, the other, the other edge guys that like are talked about in this range are all kind of have one glaring issue, cash is how all Texas A&M

extremely short arms. He's another guy that has just like outlier length arms. You got armace and Thomas from Oklahoma who is really explosive, a little under size. You got Zion young from Missouri.

“I think he could actually end up going late first round”

just because he plays with so much power, gave Jackus from Illinois, I'm probably saying that wrong. Yuckus, he's really a fun player. He just absolutely fucking clobbered people. Derek Moore from Michigan.

A lot of these guys are power rushers

with not a lot of Ben but just incredible strength

at the point of attack to bull rush. But I think this is sort of that range where you could see a handful of different edge guys come off the board. - All right, that brings us to my Pittsburgh Steelers,

a 21 now. - Yeah, you're gonna make some lobbying in here, right? - Well, so, look, I wanted the Steelers to take a water seaver, but then they brought in Michael Pittman. Do they still need more help at wider seaver

because behind DKMECF and Michael Pittman is brutal. It's Roman Wilson and it's like Ben Scaronic and that's it. I don't know if they're gonna draft like that's El Boston or Kevin Conceptsy under something like that. I don't know, DK isn't Peter Woods, the Dune worm guy.

Maybe they just bring in him and just keep adding to the defensive line, Cam Hayward's, you know, this was probably his last year in the league, like try to find your Cam Hayward replacement. Derek Harman was a good rookie year player.

You have Kiana Benton, Yaya Black, but like you can't have to, you mean just like do the Eagles thing. Just build the best defensive line in the trenches that you can. - And he's, he reminds me of like an Eagles type pick

of a guy who was really good a year before and then kind of fell off for whatever reason and then fell in the draft and then the Eagles end up getting like this really good player. And everyone's like, "God damn it, why did they get him?" You know, Peter Woods do your, yeah,

I think you should take him. Shyalu, do your Shyalu a bit. - Shyalued! (laughs) - Ball of Traidies, pesky ball.

(laughs) - Well, I'd be, - Winner Brackish. (laughs) - Then it's just a jester nasty, nasty women. - Trying to wage a holy war.

All right, yeah, I'm gonna go with Peter Woods because that just sounds, that just sounds like the smart move. Unless there's an offensive line in that you think, I mean, 'cause I would just love them to take an offensive line as much as possible.

- Okay, and proctors there. - A left tackle makes sense. - A projectile of love not good. - Yeah, I think it left tackle makes sense for it's where it's well.

I'm looking at Peter Woods,

but then if it's like you wanna take an actual need finding the project zones or placement would be lovely. - I think Taylor played in proctor.

“I think Caleb Lomo from Utah, the tackle,”

the other one outside from Spencer Fawno, I mean, I mean, even Max, I can't pronounce an A in echo or from Arizona, I think a left tackle run. - Let's switch it then, I wanna switch it 'cause what's the best tackle I should take?

Caden proctor? - He might be a guard. - He might be what? - He might be a guard. If you wanna pure tackle, Caleb Lomo.

- If he's huge and kind of slow, we already have that in project zones, so I'd like to go with something else. - He's huge and fast, he actually can touch down this year, right?

- Well, he's like 360 pounds, so fast is relative. - I mean, yeah, but I mean, for 6, 7, 3, 60, but he's pretty, yeah. - So what am I doing? I will defer to you, DK, who, which tackle should I take?

- Ooh, Caleb Lomo probably has the most upside.

How do you talk about the left tackle? - Yeah. - All right, let's go with Caleb Lomo. - Okay. All right, Charger's at 22, DK, what are we doing

for my boys? - This is a team that I've connected to K and Proctor because they went out and did the, who was the Eagles guy that they signed last off season that ended up being kind of a bust for me.

- McCoy, McCoy backed it. - McCoy backed it. - That is, I think Proctor's nice because you could play tackle and a pinch if one of the tackles ends up not being healthy

by the time they're ready to go, but I think he's gonna be an ass kicker at guard at the very least. So K and Proctor from Alabama has been a, a player team connection that I kind of like.

- This is a great example for the Chargers of, yeah, take the best player available. Best, the best player plays offensive line available. It's like, you know what I mean? It's just for tech Justin Herbert,

like, for tech Justin Herbert. - You literally cannot have enough offensive linemen on the Chargers. - You're marvelous. - Really made a rule.

We haven't talked about this enough. - Jim or it would be a rule that team players can't high five Justin Herbert, because Jim or I said he woke up in the middle of the night and was worried that a high five, he saw the earlier days.

Like the players are high fiveing and dapping up Justin Herbert too violently. No one's allowed a high five Justin Herbert anymore. And I'm like, they're gonna get him alignment. - That's a little playing scared.

I don't know if I like that. No, I trust. (laughs)

“All right, hi, if it's Eagles at 23, what's how we doing?”

He wasn't able to make a trade earlier. So what's he doing at 23? - I mean, the right answer is probably trading back, but they also, the Eagles trade up sometimes. I think the Eagles are gonna get a pass for us here.

I don't know, I think the Eagles, I'm gonna go ahead and give them, give them a guy like Zion Young or... - He's in Thomas. - Our Mason Thomas, yeah.

Exposive guy, high high energy, I like that. He's just a little bit undersized, but I don't think that's like a deal breaker necessarily. I could see them liking a guy like, well, they haven't, they're pretty solid

at a defensive tackle, but, yeah. - Unless the trade jail and Carter, right? - Right. - They've been rumored. - So who you like him?

- I'm gonna go with, yeah, I'm gonna go with Mason Thomas at Oklahoma. I don't know if that makes sense for them totally as a fit, but I do think Eagles go past pressure. They usually go premium position or trade back

and this will honestly probably would trade back in this situation, but I don't know who's gonna trade it up right now, but I think that the Eagles, they really are kind of, the cupboards bear at defensive end,

like, when they won the Super Bowl, they had seven guys that were rotating in. They've lost all of them, you know what I mean? I mean, they thought they were gonna get Jalen Phillips back, he went to Carolina,

you know what I mean? Jalen Carter's been rumored and traded at this point that I'm kind of like a little curious, but if you look at the Eagles, that's chart. I mean, yeah, why would they trade Jalen Carter?

They think they've extracted all the value out of him and he's only gonna, he's not a long term. - Gotta be like, not Claire or something. - Nucklehead, something. - Yeah, he's gonna say.

I feel like if you're willing to trade Jalen Carter, if the Eagles are making calls about Jalen Carter, you probably don't want to trade for it. - It's like, what do you know? - Exactly.

- Yeah, it's concerning. - There are some similarities with Nolan Smith and R. Mason Thomas, so I can kind of see this, stylistically. - So, can I tweak this, I figured it was gonna happen. They're not gonna pick you.

I'm gonna do, I think-- - He's trading again. - The Dolph, yes, the Dolphins are gonna trade up with the Eagles.

The Dolphins are gonna give two third round picks,

they're gonna move up seven spots and they're gonna go ahead and they're gonna take-- - 'Cause the Dolphins have like four third round picks.

“- They have four third on picks and I think they trade up”

and I think Miami goes ahead and they take one of the offensive tackles left. I think maybe they get ways. Cate and Proctor got, yeah, low move went, yeah. So there's an offensive tack of run happening

and I think the last offensive tack of left, you can correct me from wrong. That's really a tackle is Max A and Etch or from Arizona State. I'm sure I don't know. - That's a smart one, I kind of like that one.

- Yeah, yeah. - If the Dolphins don't get a tackle there, there's no tackle in the range and I think the Dolphins going in building the trenches, I think it just makes sense.

And then you have a second and you're still two-third to go up and see who it is.

It's one of those things where you might not have to trade back, you might not have to trade up for 'em, but like you said, if there's a run on tackles happening, you get Etchie and you move up. - Yes.

- Someone will.

“- But yeah, 'cause he's more, I think he's sort of considered”

the first second round turn type of player,

you know, might be a second round or might be a late late first. He's very new to football. He's only played for a couple of years. In fact, he didn't play high school football. He was a soccer, I think, in basketball, you know.

Oh, he played, what do you play in high school? (laughing) Yeah, a tackle. Makes sense. Me and potatoes for the Dolphins.

Who did they take with their first one? They took a guard, so man, a guard and a cover and a tackle. - And I know that's, and you're like, "Well, who's the receiver?" I'm like, "Well, I don't like it."

- One was signed the Andre Hopkins and that's a start that you're not doing. I mean, I just think building it, no one's going to be upset if the Dolphins take too long, line between the first round.

- That's fair. Browns, Browns on the clock, their second pick. They already had the sixth pick in the draft. They took David Bailey, DK, what are they doing at 24? - This is one where they could go receiver

and try and build out that receiver group, which is pretty bad right out Jerry Judy. They gave all that money to, and he stinks. Sedric Toman, I think, has talent, but he was hurt, hurt part of the year last year.

Isaiah Bond ended up not doing anything.

“I think receiver is kind of who I'm looking at right here”

to help out, whoever they have playing quarterback. Let's see, my highest ranked receiver on the board right now is Casey Concepcion from Texas A&M, who I love. In he, I think, would be a good long-term replacement for Jerry Judy.

As like a Z type receiver, guy could play outside, could play inside, explosive, run out of to catch talent, great body control. He has some drops on tape,

but he also has incredible catches.

So I think it's more of just a concentration-type deal with him, and I think he could be a big-time playmaker in NFL, so I'm going with Casey Concepcion. - Imagine being a prospect in the 2026 NFL draft and you're projected to go late in the first round,

and maybe you wanted to go in the early first round, but then your friends and family are like, you know what? At the very least, at least you're going to a good team. Like, that's true, and then at the 24th pick,

you get selected by the Cleveland Browns. That actually, it must be heartbreaking, absolutely heartbreaking. - Okay, 25th pick here, Chicago Bears, who had an interesting free agency lost a lot of guys? Kind of a decent amount of turnover on Chicago.

Hi, if it's what are they doing at 25? - I think they're going to go, I think in this situation, they would go defensive tackle.

“I think the Bears probably would go safety.”

They lost the Chacquang Brisker, they lost Kevin, Kevin Durian, lost Troncy Gardening Johnson, but there was a safety run, they kind of missed it. They signed Kobe Bryant from Seattle, which kind of helps out.

- They signed Kobe Bryant, which helps. They also signed, I mean-- - Not the guy in the Lakers. (laughing)

- Jesus, I'll never miss that one down.

(laughing) I think the Bears could flip this pick from Axe Crosby, but I don't know if the Raiders want to wait and to get this point, the Raiders carry it into August and try to get first since 2027.

So I wouldn't be shocked if the Raiders trade back into this pick, but I think what the Bears do here, 'cause the safety's gone is to go defensive tackle, Kade, McDonald, Ohio State. I am flipping on Dickie's board.

Dickie has Peter Woods a 21st on his board. I do think NFL teams might be considered. Peter Woods played way better. Two seasons ago, the last season. And I think--

- I don't know. - He's got short arms, he did not put up good numbers. Athletically, I don't think. - I think there's questions about Peter Woods is whatever that, for whatever reason teams might,

just not want to, no one wants to stake their name to him in the first round, 'cause they're worried for whatever reason, and I can't put my finger on it, but I think that's probably a total truth. - The Bears have no trench presence,

they have nothing in the middle of the defensive line, they're so old in the middle of the defensive line, and too old, in the too old, and Kade McDonald, I don't think it's gonna be an all-pro defensive tackle, but he will be average or above average,

and-- - He's a shit kicker on the inside, he just absolutely stuffs the run. - And that's exactly what Chicago needs. They need just the giant guy in the middle, who's young, and I think that's exactly what Chicago needs.

- Dickie, 26th pick, Buffalo Bills. - Ooh, okay, so the Bills, what are the, what are the Bills biggest need hives? - You're working on the team needs right now for the NFL Draft Guide.

What do you see as kind of like the biggest needs? They signed Bradley Chub, and-- - So it's a pressure in the offset. - They need it, Russia, because if you look at the bill, so again, they traded for, they traded DJ Moore,

they traded four DJ Moore, they traded the second router, which as Craig keeps reminding us correctly, it was like the 60th pick. So the Buffalo has the picks 26th, they don't pick again till 91,

and this is a team that needs to win a Super Bowl, and fire a show on McDermott, 'cause it couldn't win a Super Bowl. So the offense, they've invested a ton of the offense, of line, they brought back Connor McGuver, and I think that the offense lines, okay.

They, edge rushers huge, like, lost in the drive the Bills Broncos game where they lost, was that Joey Bills have really played terribly in that game. The Bills keep bringing in these like, aging, mercenary edge rushers that are kind of like flawed,

and like they're getting pretty old at that spot for a team that wants to win a Super Bowl,

that you want, they have Gregory So, but after that, it's like Bradley Chub, they brought in for Miami. Bradley Chub's the epitome of the aging, mercenary guy,

who's available on cheap, 'cause he's always hurt,

and they need youth to balance out the Vaughn, they tried Vaughn Miller, they tried Joey Bills, so they tried Bradley Chub, you can't just depend on aging, injured defensive ends that were good five years ago, so I think they have to go at pressure.

- Here, okay, yeah, and this is an interesting spot.

“When I think of the Bills and their past pressures”

that they've drafted over the last decade, it's always these big, long, kind of slow guys, Gregory, Gregory So, comes to mind, obviously he's athletic, but he's really big, sort of a power russure, now I got Bradley Chub,

another power russure, and so I kind of want to go like a different direction, give them a little bit different flavor, I'm gonna go catch this howl. I think he's probably been beaten up enough in this sort of process with the arm length thing,

and that's definitely a concern, he's definitely not liar,

but he's still really productive, really explosive,

really disruptive off the edge, and I think that's exactly the type of player they need, maybe he's not gonna be maybe the arm length will be a slight issue in the pros, but it can, it's the same as we've been doing, like when he's rushing out

there, you don't really notice it because he's so explosive. So I'm gonna go with cash howl, and even though he has really, really short arms, I think this is still the range you can take him and feel okay about it. - Okay, that brings us to 27 with San Francisco here,

who are we with George Kittle, tearing his Achilles, are we in Kenyans a deep range? - Oh, 100- - You know who I'm changing my comp for him is very in Davis.

“- I think Kenyans think he's exactly the name of his take care,”

and I'm gonna give it to him because I do. - Damn it. - They went older receiver, they went my cabins, and they went Christian Kirkker receiver, they have Ricky Parasoul's young, but I agree.

George Kittle, not replacing him, but I mean, George Kittle is towards Achilles, but he is 31, and he's 32, turns 33 this season. I think Kenyans think this is where he goes. - Yeah, that's like his floor.

- In fact, he's probably not gonna fall as far. - I think he might, because he just looked at the position-- - There's a chance. - There's a chance. - Think about how many tackles we have at this spot.

Like, if you're counting Spencer Fano as a tackle, you've got Maui Noah, you've got Spencer Fano, you've got Monroe Freeling, you've got Caleb Lomu, Proctor, and Max, so there's like six, seven guys, maybe you can't get a tackle that can start

in the third round, or at least you don't wanna bank on it. You can get a tight end that can start for you,

“and I just think teams look at it that way, you know what I mean?”

- Yeah, I don't see it, so Dick was shining over you all. - I think, D.J. are, D.J. are, D.J. kind of threw this out there, and he likes to throw out little nuggets that he's hearing, and I think Kenyans' Seedique was a big faller

in his latest mock draft, which is usually what he's hearing. So there, I think there is a chance that Seedique kind of in that late first round area, versus high end first round. So I got the Texan's next.

- That's right, 28th pick, Texans. - Texans have a good roster man.

The offense of line is always a big deal for them.

They keep trading away, they're offensive linemen. - Well, and looking at your big board, I mean, high of as you trading up for Detroit earlier to get Monroe Freeling made a lot of sense, because the offensive line would disappear quickly

in looking at the rest of D.J.'s big board. There are literally no more offensive line, or one more offensive line on your big board. - We got so offensive tackle, in particular. I think the next guy on my board would be,

like Millir Clemson, who some people think he might be a first rounder. He's one of those guys who, the tape isn't elite, but everything you hear about of me is just absolute, blue chip type guy from a football character point of view.

You know what I mean? Just an absolute badass, works as ass off, a place of injuries, he has a ton of experience. I think there's a chance this is the pick here for the Texans, because of all those intangible type things.

And he's not like a bad offensive tackle. I think he's maybe a little bit slow-footed at that time, he has a little bit of issues sometimes with speed off the edge, but he's just such a stalwart type of offensive linemen, and that does matter in the pros,

because these guys have to play through entries all the time. So I think that's an option here, even though it looks like a pretty big reach. What else are we looking at here? 'Cause they have, they're pretty set in the secondary.

- I think it needs offensive line. I mean, there's some places that can go at defense. I think the number one thing is can they help them when the season. I think the Texans have to go for a super ball. Like they're gonna give strad and extension this year or next,

and they are at the end of that rookie contract window. The defense is elite, the defense can win the super. Kyle Shannon, don't take my word for Kyle Shannon said, the day the super ball, on television, the two defenses he thought could win the super ball

in the round of the offense, then screw it up, we're Seattle and Houston, and it's easy to stretch, screw it up. The Texans run it back, they help their healthy,

they need to be able to eat the ball. - The other, there's no alignment that can start this year, they might not do it. - So they did, they did trade for, or sorry, they did sign, Braden Smith, to be their right tackle.

- Yeah. - So they could go interior offensive line here, wouldn't be that big of a shock. The other guy that I like is a manual pregnant from Oregon. - Who do you play this year if they have--

- And he's like a plug-in play starter to me, even though he has like a lower ceiling.

“- I think I'll go pregnant, I'm sure I'm saying that,”

wrong, pregnant from Oregon, a manual pregnant. - Hey, again, it's the best player available, kind of a myth sometimes. It's like sometimes they just take exactly the need. And yeah, I think the--

- Yeah. - So now, 29th pick with the chiefs, I see a lot of cornerbacks who have fallen, and the chiefs just let two cornerbacks go. - I completely agree, so the chiefs brought some quarterbacks in,

but I think this is where DK,

it's always weird to project the guy's hurt,

but I think there's two cornerbacks from Tennessee that are in the next guy's left. It's Jermaud McCoy, it's the best-- Maybe probably the best cornerback in the straf, if he was healthy, but he tours in September,

didn't go to the, we went to the combine, didn't play last season, then didn't work out at the combine. If he does his pro-day, it's probably fine, but it's a little weird, but maybe he can re-app with my homes, as I see L, but it's that, but he got frameworked by Colton Hood,

who's the cornerback of Tennessee. - Well, wait, hold on here, Aviar and Terrell still on the board from Clemson. And he kind of reminds me of the dude they just traded to the Rams, whose name is this gave you me.

- I won't lie, oh, oh, the trampoline-- - Jayle and-- - I won't lie, I didn't see anything on Terrell, so she's still there. - Chiefs will totally, yeah, Aviar and Terrell and Chiefs, that's exactly what would happen.

“- I think he can play outside, he can play inside for them,”

he's awesome as a blitzer, he's been a high intensity type of player. I think opinions on him are kind of all over the place, but I really like Aviar and Terrell. - So now that gives the chiefs Spencer Fano at the ninth pick, and Aviar and Terrell, the corner at 29, and now we have,

what would've been the Eagles pick is, oh, no, it was Miami, now it's the Eagles after this trade, so the Eagles are now sitting at 30. - There's one glaring guy here on the board that I'm like, I don't think he's gonna fall as far

and that's dense out Boston, the receiver out of Washington. - Love him. - And it makes sense for the Eagles

if they ultimately end up trading around

and then they age a brat. - Eagles also, they'd highly value receiver, I mean, they constantly, they spent on them. - Yeah, they spend, they spend up on those, those was that position.

They are also, by the way, just kind of turning the number three receiver spot over the last few years, trying to sign like former, first round guys that kind of didn't work out. John Dodson is the first one that comes to mind,

but they kind of continue to turn that spot, and this could be at the very least, a good number three receiver in the short term that turns into the number two, such one A, one B, with Dante Smith long term.

So I like this for the Eagles. - I would be bummed if they got dense up Boston,

“and I think he's great, I really like him.”

- Crazy agility for his size. - DK, do you think the Eagles take Denzel Boston over Zion, you've Zion young for Zarian. And there's still there. I know that that's a little bit of a reach,

but it's an injure and part of me's, I guess Denzel, you've Denzel Boston 24th in your board. You've Zion young at 42nd and part of me's like, - Yeah. - The Eagles take dating past pressures,

but you're right. - There's also a team I'm looking at for like the Clemson guys, Pierwood, just because of, you know, they're falling, and just grab the value.

- Right, exactly.

- Yeah, it's going to fall out of first round.

I guess it's possible, it's possible. He was the number one player on Cerulean's board coming into the season. The number one player, and he's definitely fallen off. - And he's definitely fallen off.

- How he really, how he was moving. We're just going to stack Peter Woods. You know what, fuck, you want to give the Eagles Peter Woods, and they're just going to stack Peter Woods? - I want to give, I want Denzel Boston to be here.

- Okay, but I'm a little dubious that Peter Woods is going to fall out of the first round. - 'Cause they lost John Dawson, who's like, they're other kind of X receiver. They signed more keys brown,

but the Eagles don't really have an X-like big receiver. If the trade age you brown, the Eagles don't really have a guy, and the X is probably kind of back this year or so. - If the Eagles didn't take Denzel Boston,

would you have given him to the Patriots with the next pick? - Yeah. - Oh, you're not asking me, but yeah. - No, yeah, either of you. I think it's more fun to give Peter Woods

to the Eagles and Denzel Boston to the Patriots. (laughing) - And that is the point of the match. - If you, yeah, if all we're doing is roster rating here. - Yeah, fine, I'm okay with that.

- I'm okay, the Eagles taking defensive tackles. I think they're a huge value, and I think I agree. Peter Woods is as good as people thought he was last year that is very how he rose. When things so fucking, let's just give Yellowstone.

Peter Woods is one of those guys. This is like your expression you hear is like, he's got beaten up enough, you know what I mean? Where? - Sure.

- He's fallen far enough at this point. He's still a really twitchy, explosive interior defensive tackle who could create disruption on the inside. He has shorter arms, I think that's an issue for him. And the production fell off this last season,

so people are a little bit scared of him. But he's still a twitchy, explosive interior alignment. - And now at 31, if you give New England Denzel Boston,

because now it's like Denzel Boston is this big outside deep threat type. You have Romeo jobs, you can do a little bit of everything. You have K-Shon booty who in a complimentary roll now looks pretty nice.

Now it's kind of not bad with the three of those guys. - Cow lambs is potentially still... - A little demery on that list. - So we're giving Peter Woods to the Eagles at 30 and then the Patriots could take Denzel Boston

as what we're saying? - Yeah, you don't think so.

“- Well my concern is so variable I think”

wants big people in the first round

unless it's an AJ Brown. - Denzel Boston. - Boston's big. - No, but I meant big positions. An Elliott Wolf, who's the GM for the Patriots, not really, he's like kind of cold.

But I don't know, he's like a one-be assistant, but his father Ronald Wolf, I just... I don't know if there's a team that would take a first round receiver right now. - But who is the big guy that you like in the spot though?

- So Caleb banks that afford us weird 'cause he's a good defense attack but he missed all but what three games of the foot injury. Then he broke his foot at the top line. - I don't think it's gonna be a first round player anymore.

- Yeah. - And then if Peter Woods's gone, part of me's like, man, I'm looking at your mind, but your mind McCoy, the Tennessee cornerbacks still there and I'm like, my variable wants to play defense.

If you look, Christian Gonzalez, and Jermon McCoy is still there. If he recovers from the injury, if you can play two guys that could actually play man coverage, I think Jermon McCoy is the guy that would go.

We still have, I think the Patriots would, how many teams have two cornerbacks that can actually man up with almost anybody the league like nobody.

“- Yeah, I don't think that's how teams do that.”

- That is a tremendous schematic advantage that I think, I don't think the Patriots would pay. I'd think the rather have a man cover corner than like an extra sacrificial exercise. - They kind of have decent corners though.

Marcus Jones is a good nickel. They have Carlton Davis and Christian Gonzalez. - Yeah, Carlton Davis was making plays in the playoffs 'cause he was getting targeted. Like sometimes you hear a cornerback to name a lot

'cause a throwing 'cause the defense thinks, the offense thinks they have an advantage. Carlton Davis was signed in for agency, but he's also how old. Like Carlton Davis, 39, the guy's, I don't know,

at the end of the day, it's a simple talent.

Jermon McCoy, never towards ACL, is he a top eight pick?

- Maybe, top 15, top 50. You see, maybe the number one cornerback in this draft, if he was healthy. - Yes, but he's not healthy. - I mean, he's like, yeah.

I think, can we just go with what Craig said to make it simpler? - No, no, no, I'm not the drafter. I'm not the GM, I'm the media. - I changed my pick because I thought

that's what we were doing. Fine, I was told there would be no math. I think we should do Peterless's pick. What do you want? I don't think the Patriots

would take Denzel Boston or Jermon McCoy. I just don't. - All right, Jermon McCoy, the cornerback. That leaves DK's Seattle Seahawks at 30 years ago. - Also, at your point to get,

you have Jermon McCoy higher on your board than Denzel Boston, just for a second. - I know, but he's injured. That's a huge variable. Please be beaten up enough as some people say.

- All right, so this leaves me with the 30 second pick for the Seahawks, which is super fun. There's a lot of players on the board who I really like here. - I think, man, is there any way

that Denzel Boston falls out of the first round? I guess that's possible. - It seems tight in, there's so many receivers that the deeper positions, the scarcity, people reach for the thing that won't be there later

and then those positions fall when it's deeper. - It's like playing back last year. - Like Teahagans fell into the early part of the second round. - Think about all the running backs last year that fell, quote unquote,

because there were so many running backs no one started the run. - Yeah. - So I'm gonna go with one of my favorite players in this draft, super fun player to watch.

I'm trying to think of what John Schneyer would do here. I think since they signed Rashichi he'd do a bigger contract. I don't think they'd take a receiver, especially since they run so many two receiver sets anyway.

- What do you think about Colton Hood with a tackle? They lost a lot of cornered. - Well, Colton Hood is definitely on the menu here just because he's a super athletic, long corner.

The guy who I really want, the Seahawks to take is Chris Johnson from San Diego State. - The Coralate? - Go Aftex. - He was sick.

- He's freaking awesome. And he plays an intense style of football.

“I think he would fit in with the Seahawks defensive backs group.”

They lost a couple corners. Well, they did Resign Josh Job. So I don't know if they would take a corner here. But I think I feel like corners one of those positions where you can't have too many of them.

- No. - And it's like defensive end and quarterback. No super Bowl teams ever set. We have too many cornered backs and too many defensive teams. - Yeah.

- And the only other thing, so I'm gonna give him Chris Johnson, but the only other positions here which I'm kind of considering strongly are edge players.

Our amazing Thomas, I think is in consideration

here's Zion Young from Zurich, gave Yakis from Illinois and Jack is, I'm sorry if I'm saying that wrong. Derek Moore from Michigan, those guys I think make a lot of sense for the Seahawks because just keeping that stable of pastructures,

like full and have tons of guys that can rotate every week. I think that's a huge part of their success last year. But it's harder to find corners. And I just think, I just think Johnson plays exactly

- I love it. It's a great consolation prize for us. This you're not making March madness.

It's a thick amount of player in the first round.

- Yeah. - And honestly, if you look at the second round, I'm talking about Denzel Boston following. I mean, I guess we give Karnel Tate to, oh no, the jets took McIleman.

But the third pick is the Titans. They could take Denzel Boston, the fourth the Raiders, they could take Denzel Boston and the fifth the Giants. They could take, like all three of those teams could take. - And teams are gonna be calling for those three spots

to try and move up. - That's the, the Seahawks might move back. The Patriots might move back, like teams might move back. - Oh, 100%. I could see the Seahawks moving back from the spot.

That's actually probably what they will do because there's so many different options that they could go with here. Do we want to review it? Do I need to read every, all 32 picks or is that horrible pod?

- Put it up on the screen, people can read about it.

“- That's great, and if you want to see it.”

And we'll also put, we'll post these on Instagram too.

So if you go to the Ringer Fancy Football Instagram

and you won't see the full mock drafts, we'll post it, follow us on Instagram at Ringer Fancy Football. And then why don't we just kind of recap, what are the things we learned from this? My thing I learned is that I think the teams that need

offensive tackles are gonna have to trade up because it's gonna be a run. And it's like anything else where there's six, seven guys that are like, so we think you can be a starter. So if the Browns water left tackle,

you're gonna have to trade up. You don't even have to. - What? - You came in at a six, seven joke. (laughing)

- Did I, I'm a little worried that it's a mind virus that's in my head? - Hey now, it does come up way more than it should. But the case acknowledgement of it was the problem. Nothing said.

(laughing) No, like the shook my head and disdain the wild. - How'd ever do it again? - All right, think it, what did you learn doing this? - I think you're right though,

I think there's probably gonna be a run-on offensive lineman just 'cause there's so few, you know, plug-and-play offensive tackles.

“I think we could see, because of the depth of the receiver”

position, that's another one where you could see guys who are like locks, and the quote unquote, first round locks, maybe fall into the early part of the second. That tends to happen. And then the canyonsityc thing, falling,

would not not be surprised to see him fall. And then I just don't know what to make of your mod McCoy and how early he's gonna go because of the hardest part of doing draft analysis. I think it's trying to figure out

where an injured guy's gonna go 'cause like half the teams, it's like the max gross we think, like half the teams in the NFL might not be like yeah, we pass the NFL, we pass his knee, and then sometimes might not pass his knee.

So it's like literally doctors disagree on this.

So it's impossible and I'm always gonna go.

- And I don't know where Peter was is gonna go. That is a big question in my mind as we did this mock draft is how far is he gonna fall? Or is he gonna fall at all, you know? Because sometimes why I just look at what he did

in 2024, I'm like, we're gonna take that guy. And then some teams will be like, you know? - He feels like tackles. - Yeah, need it. And look at Seattle, they took by Murphy, they took tackles. - Draft's over! (laughs)

- He's like my night's over, let's go get drunk. - That was really fun. (laughs)

“- What, playing the music? - Yeah, I'm gonna drop.”

- With my gavl, I felt great. All right, well Craig, since you're hosting, I have the scene familiar in Yitz and G.U.A. You've been talking to me the email? - Yeah, I do.

You said last episode, you're talking about how being a warrior's face stressful. (laughs) And then for you, in rage, thousands of people. And then you were like, well, not like being a warrior,

you're watching to get anyway. So Alex sent us an email. - If you've had a good team, you know what I mean. - All right, Alex says, for breakfast, a fire yogurt with honey on the side

and a double espresso, that's a sexy breakfast right there. - That's like, that's like when I do eat breakfast, that's what I'm going for. - It sounds really good. All right, Alex says, as you guys mentioned

on the show in Monday, stress is a big part of rooting for your team. There is a professor from Murray State named Daniel Juan and he has published a number of works over the years on the psychology of sports fandom.

He identified eight different fan motives. Most are straight forward like group affiliation and entertainment, but my favorite one is, is U stress or U forex stress? Interesting.

In other words, the emotional rollercoaster of watching sports and the absolute elation one feels when your team wins is a core motive of sports fandom. So in Craig says, he and his buddies freak out when the warriors are down 16,

that stress is completely offset by the absolute joy when they complete the comeback and win championships. And that joy bonds him more to his team, his friends, and sports in general. So being stressed about sports is fun, right?

This all comes from a jet's fan so that U stress I felt was in 2010. You forks stress. - Yeah. - So you're chasing that, it's like you're chasing that high.

- Yeah. - So it's BDSM, sports stress is BDSM. It's like really painful and then there's like, it's like you need to slap me. Pain is pleasure.

- They're very close to one another, right? - Yeah, isn't that the whole thing? Is there like the little overlap in the brain? - We do used to do the 50 shades of gray, you guys. Maybe we should bring that back up.

- Is it like when you have like something very hot, spicy hot sauce, like that feeling is like pain, but it's also kind of you fork, right? It's kind of an out of body experience.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like a spicy thing

if there's a certain kind of-- - You brave it, it becomes, it becomes addictive. It hurts so good. - It's the point. Yeah, I was just learning the other day about that.

- I can't hurt so good. - Some of us posting on BluSka the other day, I think Spencer Hall was talking about there's some guy who sells a hot sauce called a fucker butt.

- Pucker butt? - I thought it was made up, but it's real. Like I just assumed Pucker butt wasn't real, but there's some Pucker butt pepper company and the point was if our hot sauce

doesn't make your butt, Pucker, then it's not Pucker butt. - Yeah, that's, that is a visual, the visual description. - That's not the owner of Pucker butt, I also said that.

- Pucker butt, I can't imagine what the logo is. It's, should I Google it? Is it safe? - Pepper X Worldtiles pepper, I don't know, I mean, I assume there's a Pucker butt pepper company.

It's just a, well, their logo is like a flame. - The grim release. - But it is kind of an assurcle, which sort of sends your mind to a certain, body part.

“- I don't know if even, I think Pucker butt is the logo,”

but yeah, you're, we're on something here about like sports or painful, that's the point. - I, I almost forgot this was the whole point, yeah. - Right, before we go, we do have one other thing to hit.

Oh God. DK, please join me and everyone home. - Happy birthday to you. - Happy birthday to you, Danny, keep saying. Happy birthday, dear, hi and hey, hi fits.

Happy birthday to you. Drink whiskey and rum, go out and have fun. Get plastered, you bastard. - I don't know, I really thought I was going to go over this. - If it's, you think we forgot?

- Come on, the big three-one dude, come on. 30 was a gimmick, now you're really in your 30s. - Yeah, you're fucking one. - Me deep in it. - I do think I'm like 30s.

- No, 31 is on my 30s now. I, for sure, 30 for a long time. 31 was, for some said it out loud. Wow, everyone is 23 is like, you feelin' some, you four, stress right now?

- Yes, stress, wow, 31.

You know that moment, I've never,

I just said the ageout labs for the first time. I'm 31. - I'm only going to try that on, it's fine. I actually feel like I'm, oh, I'm gonna adult now. You know why?

- Sure. - It's my birthday. - D.C. this morning, 26 degrees. - Oh, got up at seven and went to the gym. - Look at you.

- And, you know what? I don't know if past year was on my birthday, when it was 26 degrees, I'm gonna go on to the gym. And you know what, I was there. And I was like, I guess this is 31.

- You've turned over a new leap, this is 31. - I've had so much fun. - What do you want to birth them, like, eggs, make me the eggs the good way. - Do you have any goals in your 31st year?

All right, I guess it's your year when you're 31, 'cause technically it would be like your 32nd year. - I don't know. - Or honestly, I think-- - 'Cause you're zero for a year, you know?

- Are we doing serious guys stuff? Or are we deflecting-- - Yeah, do serious guys stuff.

“- I'm telling, my motto is to just take care of your heart, you know?”

- You mean literally or spiritually? - Both, spiritually, spiritually. - That's kind of good. - Like actually like, like, just I actually want like cardio stuff,

just get like stronger muscles as old as a research about like, you need muscles that you can older but also I just like, take care of my heart, look 31, I'm like, yeah, that's about time. - I think cardio really, as good as it is to your heart, it's also equally beneficial to your brain.

It's just so good to-- - The runner's high is a real thing. - Dude, you know what sucks? I got injured last week and I can't run and it's been a huge problem. I got turf toe, I think.

- Ooh, and it has the real sucks. - I think 99% sure I have turf toe, dude, it is one of the-- - Look at the rename it. - I got to rename it, I have a torn ligament in my foot. - Separate ligament foot.

- It is one of the more debilitating painful injuries to have. Because there's nothing I can do, I walk with a limp, I can't run, you, I mean I can't put it. - I can't put it. - I can't put it. - No, not at all.

I mean I can barely walk like a mile.

- We finally moved it with turf toe was after six years,

“which is there's basically, I think it's there's three ligament”

or three tendons in your foot. And turf toe is tearing one of them. So it's really like, you tore one third of the thing, the things that make your foot work. - And I think I have a grade two or three strain,

and it says like four to six weeks of recovery, and I'm gonna have to arrest. - We're just slow running, literally and figuratively, the injuries actual NFL players have, 'cause I pulled my hamstring,

and all the whimsical settings wanna pull my hamstring, you tore your leg, you pulled your hamstring badly. I mean it was bruised, it was the four day weeks, it was like the middle September, and they were like, if you, they're like, you and theory could get back

to stuff by Halloween, but if you retain the thing, you don't want that. - Like, they broke. - I was still, yeah, but, wow,

yeah, that sucks man. - I think I'm gonna try to start sweating,

“just because it's the only thing I can do.”

There we go. - Don't you agree with me? - I will say, hi, Fitz, it's good that you're getting into this stuff early. You know what I mean, like 31, that you got so much time

to like worry about your heart. - But I'm really heart in the first half. - I think it's great that you're doing this. I will say, as I've turned, I'm 43 now. I've gotten into running in the last year,

which I never thought I would do.

I thought running is the stupidest sport. It's fucking painful. It sucks. I don't understand why people do this. It's boring.

And now I love it. It's so funny how that happens is you get older and if you start to do things that you used to play. - You try to, we're so stupid. - Without music.

- What's that? - Rod dog, you're running. - No, I haven't done it without music yet. I mean, I have done that before. - To remember us talking about this, Craig,

DK didn't know that, but you remember us talking, when I said run with that music, you thought it was crazy. - And do it all the time. - Do it all the time.

- Yeah, I do it all the time. - You just leave, I thought my friend Mike told me, he was a huge runner, told me this, my friend Mike would never listen to the show one time. I told him to take Frazier Kim,

he was like, oh sick, and then he turned around. He's a huge runner and he told me, and it really is true. You kind of leave your thoughts and anxieties behind. You just think about them, and they say meditation

or the way you might, one way you might want to meditate is it's kind of like picture and you're sitting at a river. And there's all these lily past floating. And your thoughts, you think, and then they just float away. And they're on the little lily past, they're going away.

Running is like, if the river is a road and you're the one moving, like you were leaving behind all these anxieties.

And it is incredible how much it is body

over mind to degree, like we're kind of just like, will the beast, you have anxieties, you have court is all. And you do have fight or flight. And you need to either run or box like at the end of the day. You need to find something to do.

- There's something to movement that is so important for our physiology or whatever. I don't have like the actual definition of it, but moving around and moving your body, whether you're walking, running, cycling, swimming,

or whatever, your body just gets all fucked up when you're not moving around, man. It's crazy. - I watched this fascinating video about how your brain relaxes

and how it's kind of a misnomer that you go to the beach and you sit in a chair and you stare at the ocean and that's supposed to be relaxing. And it's actually kind of not like you sit down, you stare at the water, then kind of 15 minutes in you're like,

I'm bored, I guess I'll look at my phone and you can read a book, I need to do something. And it was basically about how doing something passive, doing one task passively, is kind of the best way for your brain to relax

because when your brain has to think of 10 different things at once, that is stress. But when your brain can just focus on one thing, it allows it to relax.

“And that's why I think I like cooking or baking or running,”

doing one thing allows your brain to completely decompress and then the rest of it can be kind of like the river, just kind of flowing in and out if you focus on one thing, it's actually a lot easier to do that and to just sit and stare at something,

that's actually not that relaxing. Doing one thing is kind of relaxing. - Totally agree, totally agree. When I'm stressed, doing something, and even just listening to a podcast

where you feel like you're accomplishing, you're multitasking, you're accomplishing more than one thing, like de-stresses me, because I'm both accomplishing something and then putting my body to work,

or whatever something. - You say everybody should turn on the podcast, either they do, so you also put it on the podcast. - Yes. - Absolutely.

- A lot of the Netflix has led to play, so you're saying. - Yeah. - Big time. - No, it's real though, like I,

to your point about running, 'cause I actually think this is worth it. And if anyone, I'm sure a lot of people listening are one better at working on doing this health stuff than me, but also some people like,

and everyone at some point is probably felt that they want to up their level and decay. I think your story is interesting because it reminds me of what I'm trying to do this year, which is you started walking during the pandemic.

- Mm-hmm. - Yeah. - And you didn't really make time to work out and then you kind of became a father

“and then you were like, you kind of had that moment, right?”

And so you started walking and you would listen to audiobooks and I think we used to joke that like, whether you can say that is reading. - Whether you count, whether that counts is reading a book, if you...

- Would you do it? I consumed that book. - You listen to the book. - Sure. - Yeah, I'm aware of what happens in the book.

(laughing) I get why, if you read the plot of a movie, did you watch the movie? You have what I heard every word in the book. Oh, I'm not way good, but I think it's interesting

because I feel like if you get older, you really have to cliche these clichés for a reason. - Totally. - You literally walk before you run, and take it literally, it's about carving out the space

in your day every day. - Mm-hmm. - And you carved that, it took you like, what five years to carve out the space where you're like, I'm gonna walk every day

and I'm not gonna miss it. And that point where it's hard to start to eventually like, you get to the, it's like, this is how Jason Tatum described shooting basketball, is like, I don't practice till you make it,

you practice, you can't miss, you start and it's hard to go on a walk, two hours, you're kidding me. And then you get to the point where you're like, I'm not gonna miss this. - Yeah.

- And then you started running. And that's actually what I'm trying to do with going to the gym is my actual goal with being honest with 31 is getting the point

where I just would never miss that.

- Yeah. - And that's honestly all I want out of this year.

is I want to get to the point where in the habits,

I actually love it. - Yeah, not to get to our honest, but it's something empowering about finding a rhythm and getting into a routine of working out and making it a big part of your daily life.

Even though it's, you're like, we're busy, we're supposed to, it's the work is stressful.

“Life is stressful, having a kid is constant logistics,”

but carving out time to work out every day or not every day, but like three or four or five times a week. There's something so empowering. It's like, oh, I can actually do that. I can, because for a long time in like,

I would say my late 30s and into the pandemic, I had game like 20 pounds because I was just fucking sitting around and not doing anything. And I was like, man, it's so is this just the trajectory I'm on for the rest of my life?

I can't do anything about this. I'm just going to be continually getting in worship and then figuring out a way to reverse that. And I lost like 30 pounds walking and starting to work out and all this stuff and it's like damn,

I can actually fucking do this. I know that this is like overly earnest, but it's like crazy when you realize you can actually do something about it. And it's funny, but like it matters.

You've been working. I forget when you started going to like, you have that workouts, you do each week or the specific ones I forget. Yeah, I work out with my buddy, Adam.

Like three to four times a week. Yeah. You used to offer to move it for recordings. And now you don't, which I still respect. No, but I meet it.

Like you don't know, like you're 43. I'm like, this is, this is, I'm not changing this, which is the point though. And we're getting down a different road and maybe Craig's gonna play music.

I'm gonna be how long it's been in a few things. How long, until you guys do your first five minutes grow in the morning? Because at this point I'm concerned for like most people in the 40,

I think people start their day. You grab your phone alarm and then people will just are on their phone and that's the beginning of day.

“And I think the biggest thing that has happened”

for me in terms of trying to have that morning routine and actually get everything has been delaying how long I am on my phone as long as possible. I...

That's, yeah, that's a big thing. Recently I set a limit on my phone. You can do it through Apple. Like you're seeing your settings. I set a limit for how long I can be on my TikTok Instagram

and Twitter. And it basically all three of them combined that I do less than an hour a day. It's my goal. So basically like 20 minutes per app,

which I can usually accomplish lately and I've been trying hard to do that.

But the problem is, in the morning,

what's changed about working from home is, I don't get up and scroll. I get up and check email and Slack. And I basically, I wake up at 7.30 and I'm working at 7.35 because totally.

I have an email. I have two slacks. I have two worktex. And I'm just a question. It's the most time by it's you.

Totally. Anti-sports thing is, you were starting behind every day. Because even if like, in theory your day starts at nine, like I can't just be up between 7.30 and 9 and like not on my phone or making breakfast

or doing and not looking at like the six slacks and the notifications I have, I can't ignore those until 9. I just can't. Yeah.

Yeah. It's weird. I really do, and I'm like, I'm not trying to be like, I've solved this or anything I haven't. But for me, what's working for me

and I don't want to stop is brick. That thing is working for me. I'm trying to brick my phone and I'm like,

“if you need to look at social media or whatever,”

or like a Slack, I'm like, you do it on your computer.

Because the truth is you weren't designed

to be addicted to your laptop. They designed it to be addicted to your phone. You're not addicted to apps. You're addicted to your phone scrolling. It's like, 100%.

I can't wait for my, I can't. Honestly, I don't think I, it's hard for me to wait for my elevator to come to my building without checking my phone and it's like you need to hit.

You can't do anything like you said passively. - Can't just sit there. - No, yeah. - I used to have 12 cigarettes a day and now it's like I need to pick up my phone.

180 times or whatever the hell you pick up. - And you can feel it. - When this thing, this brick or whatever you use like whatever the limiter is, when it shuts down the apps,

you realize how often you open your phone and stink of your hand goes like, - Oh, I do. - I do it every time. - How crazy.

- Quickly, the urge passes. That is like, if, you know, and some people think they have ADHD or whatever you have, you weaponize it. And it's like, actually,

that urge to look at Instagram or whatever your social media is, TikTok, like, I've been amazed how quickly it passes and I don't know. - Yeah, do I want to go upstairs

and get my laptop like, nope. - I'll look just later. - I've been trying to learn how to be comfortable in silence and not only that, but almost seek it out where there are times

where I'm like, oh, on this trip down to my car to move the car in the parking garage that'll take five minutes, like, I won't take my phone. And I'll just try to like, as dumb as it sounds, like, live in the moment for the five minutes

where I'm going down and waiting for the elevator, getting in my car, getting back in the elevator walking on the hallway. Like, a lot of those times I have my phone, I'd be like, looking at something,

I'm sending a text and it's like, I'm gonna take five minutes and not do that. And I try to stack those up as much as I can throughout the day. - Yeah, it's huge.

- Yeah. - It's really relatable what you said about how when you have an app limiter or whatever, it doesn't allow you to look at your apps. Like, how?

- It's just a compulsion to open a phone and click on Instagram or X or whatever it is.

or you take the apps off your phone for a certain amount of time or whatever, to try and break that cycle, you open your phone and you're like, oh damn, like, there's nothing to do here.

Why am I even like, - I guess I'll open a New York Times.

“- That's what I scroll at email account,”

which I love. I love getting emails from people. I try to respond, I know I can't respond to them. I love scrolling through our emails and everyone in emails for your Facebook,

it's so much fun scrolling the news, scrolling my, like, that's productive and like, that's a good scroll. But I really, if you think of it this way, like if you ever want to really get a little nervous,

if you ever look at your screen time

and I think the screen time is second only to a nude

of something I don't want other people to say about me. I don't want them to see them as long. - A nude. - And if you ever do the math or what? - Oh, I know it's out there.

- Send news. - No, but it's one beast. I don't want anyone to see time on my phone 'cause you can convince yourself you can work from your phone.

But like, if you just, how many hours of my time, this is the each day? And then you multiply that by 365 and it's horror. - That's like, it's like a month, dude. It's like a month.

Think about it. I know some people are like, I don't want to pay 30 bucks to get this brick. I'm like, okay cool, time is money.

“What would you pay to have another month each year?”

And then it's like, it's a cliche, but it's stupid, but it's like, most billionaires would actually give you a billion dollars back for another billion seconds. - Right.

- And it's like, if you could, you're young and you're like, oh, I'm on my phone a lot. It's like anything that even has a 10% chance of getting even hour back a day is like incredibly valuable. So like, I don't know.

It's, now I don't want to get lecturing, but like that's, that's, I guess what I'm thinking about at 31 is like, I want my phone less. I want to move more. I want to learn to stay present with my thoughts.

Yeah, like, look, alcohol, they ended up doing an alcohol synonymous cigarette. They ended up doing nicotine patches and all these things.

And it's like the truth is,

there's gonna be five or six different ways that people in a trying to use their phone less because spoiler, like the first version of us using phones is like, it's not perfect and we're all addicted to it. So I'm trying to be on my phone less,

trying to move more. Movement, I like that a lot. But even if you don't want to get brick and pay for it, the apple, like, screen time function, try it because you can set a time limit and you can still open

the app and you have to type in a code

“and you have to tell them how much longer you want.”

It just adds like four steps to the process and it does live at you. So I would always try that, it's easy. No, it's good. Look at how it's due to 30s.

You just become so introspective in your 30s, you know? - Except a really real value, thanks. - All right, thank you, DK, thank you to Craig. Thank you to Jackie and everyone for my birthday. And all these great things, thank you to my parents

for having me. Thank you to everyone for listening. Emile's from your fancy football gym, I love scrolling the email instead of scrolling my phone. Thank you to Austin, thank you to Cam, thank you to a boo.

Thank you to Carlos, thank you to everyone to makes his show, which they're amazing and a fairly patient with us as we have this long conversation. Played our bracket challenge if it's still time, we'll agree now, we probably missed it.

But Jordan is sitting in speed and either League and vote for that Mariners, the Mariners nurse, the nurse who wants to throw out the first pitch at the Mariners game, we'll keep that in the Epsubscription. It seems Tyler Tana Gucci, we're gonna get him

to the Mariners first bit. - Oh, I gotta do that vote. - Yeah, Emile, thank you, Lord. - Lord, thank you, Charlie XCX. 'Cause you were singing boom clap.

- Ty? - Well, Charlie XCX. - Which is really OG, Charlie XCX. - Totally, I celebrate her early work, especially. - So I will admit, as I've got older,

I don't know how you feel cranked, I feel like I've aged into just loving pop music,

but I've always loved it, but I love EDM too.

And the same way our show is kind of serious up front, but then becomes like this. - Is this in front partying the back? - Yes, Charlie XCX is song, so pop music, but if you stay long enough, they're like,

become like boarder room sets. - And I don't know what that means. - Walking EDM, like a ray. And they're raven the back and I love that. - I really respect Charlie XCX in her ability

to cultivate a vibe. - Successfully. - The only pop album, Brad, is a pop album that feels like an underground's the long term, but you could play, it's hard to have a pop album

where like five songs you can play to raise. They're phenomenal. - Yeah, she created like a legitimate culture around an album. - Lia, the rave thing is sort of one thing that I just can't understand.

That's like when I think of the differences between generations, I'm just like, I don't understand that. - What do you mean, your generation of kids? - Well, my generation had raves,

but I feel like the newer generations are wasted. - Seattle in the 90s? - That was Grange, baby. - Same shit. - But it's totally different.

- It's totally different. - But it's like, you're in a pit and you're like, dissociating. - Okay, but the music is very different. - Yeah, but like the idea, the vibe's are very different.

- How different is the vibe between like doing Molly? - The dress. - Do Molly, go see our own room. - The dress, you're a problem with the wardrobe?

- No, it's just different. - Well, what is the vibe? - The most attached from the younger generation I feel. That's the peak of why I could ever do this shit.

- I get how you could listen to Chris Lake right now

“or like Fred again and be like, I don't get this,”

but he's the vibe like I'm gonna do Molly and dance. And like, well, that doing drugs and listening to music isn't like something I'm against.

I just, the vibe at a rave is like I could never do.

I could never get into that. - That's fine. I would not, I'm not a rave doesn't sound fun to me either, but I, I still like dancing to music at a bar. - I can't even get it.

- No, I'm not saying that. (laughs) - I rave every now and then, it's pretty great. - No, I'm just like, you know, I just don't get it. That's when I feel the oldest is when I see people

“attending rave, so I'm like, just, that's not,”

I could never do that.

- I, you know, it's funny.

- Just no, thank you. - I was at a music festival once and we were in the, I was younger. I was in the front. - Back in your 20s.

- Yeah, I, I was Porter Robinson who I love. And at the back, I actually found Robert Mace, who's at the very back. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I was a U1, so he's like, you know,

the longer you come to the further back he sit.

And further back, and I was like, that is the trueest shit ever.

“It's like, every year I still go to artists,”

but I'm like, I mean, you know what, I stand a little further back. - Yeah, it's like that onion article. Man actively enjoying concert cannot wait for it to be over. (laughing) - The truest thing.

(laughing) Nothing more true has ever been spoken. - And we're being played off. There it is. Look at that.

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