NFL Combine Winners and Losers, Lions Trade Montgomery, Tales From Indy, and Pie for Breakfast

- Welcome to the regular NFL draft show, my name is Danny Heifat, so now I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig World back and the NFL combine his over. We are going to break down the winners and losers

and failures of objective reality to measure how fast these guys are in. And everything else, we were in Indianapolis for a week, so now we're back, all the drills are done, all the little like playing catch

at each other at DK's, you always say they're playing catch,

they're running really fast in their shorts. - That's one of my all-time favorite videos. They're going out there and they're playing catch. - I dug that up for my phone the other day and I was rewatching it, loving it.

- It was great, so basically I was just really complaining that when we talk about pro-days, mattering, they're quite literally just going out there tossing around the old pigs get. They're just playing some catch.

No pads, no helmets, no defenders. - Yeah, you can just watch the tape of hatching and real games against SEC opponents or you can watch them play catch. - Let's make judgements of who's going to be good

by playing catch, you know? - That's all I'm saying. - It's incredible. - So we're going to go through the common winners losers. There were a lot of guys who ran fast

and jumped very high, so we're going to go through all that,

but first, there is news.

The Detroit Lions traded, running back to David Montgomery to the Houston Texans after a scuffle butt, I don't know the word, I don't know. But disagreements over what the trade was, I don't know why it was wrong.

We have theories, but we'll keep them to ourselves. But the Texans traded a fourth round or seventh round or and their center juice grugs to the Lions. - What a name. - I just do.

- That's just grugs. - The second round big juice grugs up there. I didn't, he's on the guys who weren't good enough for the name, like juice really didn't have that. - Because he had the best online man named he might.

- It's a tie. Juice is very high, but good. Not enough juice that he was actually able to stick at center for the sentence for the Texans. So yeah, David Montgomery said Houston Lions got rid of him,

“I don't know, DK, what is your first thought for all this?”

Is it Houston's at Lions? Is it fantasy, Jimmy or Gibbs? - I mean, yeah, it's rocket ship, Jimmy or Gibbs for starters. I think obviously we already knew he was going to be a really good player, but when you look at some of the splits

where David Montgomery is not playing, it's pretty incredible. I think he averages, I think Jimmy or Gibbs averages, like 25 points of game. So the ceiling is absolutely astronomical with Gibbs going forward.

Now I don't know who the RB2 on the Lions is even going to be. At this point, I pulled up some of the guys. Tell me if you've heard of these guys. Jacob sailors would be, I guess the RB2 according to our lads. See you on Ivaki and Kyle Robecho, thoughts on the RB2

for the Lions. See Ivaki also like plays defense. - Right, he's like a linebacker, especially humor. Anyway, yeah, this is great for Gibbs. I think it's also good for David Montgomery.

My impression on this is that the Texans, I mean, they're giving up three pieces for this. Two picks and a player to bring in a running back. I see this as he's replacing what they thought Joe Nixon was going to be, the foundational type back.

“I think Woody Marx is going to be sort of a complimentary piece.”

I don't think they saw enough from him as a pure runner. Plus he was hurt, it felt like every week. So I think this is huge for David Montgomery and fantasy, certainly. - Yeah, I mean, I think Gibbs already could have been the first pick in fantasy traps, even if David Montgomery is in the Lions.

So I think he definitely is now, or should be probably the front runner. And then I feel like, I like Woody Marx. I think Woody Marx is kind of good and was pretty impressive for a late round rookie last year. And I kind of feel like they're just going to do the same thing.

It's going to be like their own version of Gibbs in Montgomery. I think Montgomery's going to be the bruiser, and Woody Marx is going to be the complimentary piece. But I kind of like this. I think it's like unhappy for David Montgomery to have more of a pronounced role.

It was shrinking last year. I feel like we really saw Gibbs kind of take over. So for fantasy, I think this is good for Montgomery.

- David Montgomery, it's sad to me because I always thought David Montgomery

kind of embodied on offense that era of the Lions, where he was just tough. He just had the attitude and everything that I think the Dan Campbell Lions represented. And this is that was incredible.

So this is from NFL research, which is just, "Jimmy or Gibbs in David Montgomery, both scored a touchdown in 14 different games, which is the NFL record of two teammates, and they broke the record by Emmett Smith and Daryl Johnson on the Cowboys,

but Daryl Johnson and Emmett Smith had seven more seasons as teammates. They did it in 10 years. David Montgomery and Junior Games had 14 games with where they scored a touchdown at three years. So it really was one of the more productive backfields

in the history of the league as like both,

“like how many times have we said split backfields, guys?”

They really both got like a crazy amount of production and volume and everything, but also I just loved David Montgomery, having the career-rennest songs where he's just like a fun player to watch. He was like, "Hey, man, Chicago and Emmett, Detroit, we're two different people."

The Lions are a weird team because we might look back 10 years from now. And discuss like how dominant that team was for like two to three

Like I'm not sure which direction the team's going in. I was like, "I hope they hold on. I think the team is super fun and I hope they can like, have another shot to make a Super Bowl, but it is weird how good they were for those two see,

they were incredible and like probably should have been

in the Super Bowl for how dominant they were offensively. And it's kind of sad that that might be over quickly. Yeah, the stars aligned for them in a lot of ways. Yeah, I think about like their offensive line. Ben Johnson coming up as emerging as one of the best play collars,

the resurrection of Jared Goff, all the things did kind of align for them to be this Smash Mal team that scored a ton of touchdowns.

“Craig, I'll never forget just hit Craig texting on Sundays.”

The suit is the Lions get anywhere near the ends on this is like, this is Craig Horl Beck manager of Jared Goff quarterback for fantasy. And just ever again, just absolutely melting down because he's like, "Oh, it's going to be another fucking rushing touchdown." They would live legitimately have like five rushing touchdowns

in a single game is they beat the commanders 42 to seven. And they're like, "Goddamn, that team is so dominant." That Lions, I really do think that that last three or four years the Lions, like, would have could have shit a whole thing. Like one of my favorite teams to watch that they did in the Super Bowl.

It might be one of the best offenses I've ever seen that won't make the Super Bowl. I think the Ravens a couple years ago are up there. The Saints, yeah, that should have made the Super Bowl over the Rams. But I love them. I will say, I think they make sense for the Lions thought.

I mean, it's a good return. If you're a Texan's fan, you're saying, "Well, David Montgomery is only 28. If you're Lions fan, you're saying, you David Montgomery. You're talking about to be 29 in June." But I do think it makes sense.

They need a center. They had, if you remember Christmas day, the Lions were starting Kingsley, a goac on it at the center, and frankly, it cost them the entire game versus the Vikings. And a fourth rounder and a center to maybe a few, two strikes play center for them.

The Lions dashboard, and he just said, "Every since Frank Rag never tired."

I think it makes sense for them.

“The Texans, I think David Montgomery, what he marks, like, I think that makes sense together”

as a backfield. I agree with you guys on that. It is fun. I do think overall, I think if you look at Houston, Houston saying that the defense is obviously a Super Bowl caliber team. Like, I mean, Calshianan said that they the Super Bowl, the two best defenses that were good enough

to win a Super Bowl on their own, as long as the offense didn't screw up with Seattle and Houston. And they're the best defense in each conference. C.J. Stratton screwed up in the playoffs and Sam Tarleton. And so, that's fine. The receivers are awesome.

Nico Collins and the three Iowa state guys, like Jade Higgins and Jalen Noel, it's a second round of pick, a third rounder Xavier Hutchinson. Now, they have David Montgomery, Woody Marx, even the kicker, kindly fairgrounds, good in Houston, Nick Kassero, the GM said that replacing C.J. Stratton would be more on it. So he's not going anywhere.

The last thing here is the offensive line for Houston. So, D.K., you think the Houston would be acquiring offensive linemen, right? Right. It's been kind of their Achilles Hill, is the protection issues and the run game issues. But for some reason, they keep trading away their offensive linements.

We'll give it a way, just fire sale. It reminds me of, I don't know what, it's just kind of bizarre because it's obviously such an important need for them, but they keep trading away and they traded away. Titus Howard today to Cleveland for a fifth rounder. The fold is just really quick.

They gave away juice grugs in this in this trade. He was a second round pick a couple years ago. Titus Howard, who was a first round pick for them in 2019,

they traded for a fifth rounder today instead of paying him a $10 million.

He can play every spot with center. They traded Laramie Tuncil for a couple of picks, like they knitted three picks last year. And then they traded Kenyan Green last year, who was the first rounder for them in 2022. So they traded four linemen over a long period, but they've traded four linemen that were first or second round picks in like 11 months.

You don't like to, you don't like to wager some money, that the Texan's first round pick, they sure will be an awesome thing. That's a good call. You know what I kind of reminds me of is when I bought my house back in 2017, we were like, "Oh, we'll just do some cosmetic changes to it."

And we needed to make some upgrades to the kitchen because it was from like the 1950s. And then you start taking down the walls and you're like, "Fuck, we need to just take everything down and restart from scratch." Did you look worse against all the sort of old maximum as like you don't want to take the walls out in your house because then you start to find what's back there.

But it is, it was like a situation where it was like, "Oh, we took one wall down and we're like, "Fuck, we got to take everything out." So you don't want to look under the couch because then you got to clean with under the couch. Exactly. Pick up the cushions to look for something like, "Sheal!"

They're just doing it. They're taking the offensive line down to the studs and starting from scratch. Maybe it'll be better. Maybe it won't. You say that as a joke.

Probably can't be worse. I mean, they're offensive lines that are terrible for so long. You say that as a joke, but Andrew Barry, who's the GM for the Brown, said at the combine that he thought what the Barry's did is the model for the offensive line, which is, like, "Yeah, I just do the whole thing in one year."

And they had the tackles and they really replaced four offensive linemen for Chicago last year. Andrew Barry for the Browns was saying that's the idea. They used it to probably look at the same thing. They kind of also probably filling themselves because they got Airintay or Surrey from Houston, last year is the second round and you just start 17 games at left.

I think it would left tackled for Houston, which that doesn't usually work. A rookie left tackled in the second round to just play the whole year. But that worked out pretty well for them.

“So I think that's what Houston's thinking.”

But yeah, they're just kind of caching in.

You get a little discount. Like, they're just trading at all these old linemen they got. And they're like, "Well, get a new one." It's fine. But the Cleveland, I don't want to spend too much time on an offensive linemen,

like, right tackled, turned left guard, tightest Howard, that got flipped to Cleveland.

“I think the bigger picture thing here for Cleveland and again, just to be clear,”

Cleveland traded a fifth-run pick for Titus Howard, who is the left guard for Houston. Cleveland as all, if depending how you count all five starting offensive linemen or for agents, I think they have seven total for agents on offensive line, which isn't sane.

And you have Quinshawn, Judd, Kins, the running back for Cleveland has a broken leg, like a lot of crazy stuff with this offense. So they're getting Titus Howard, but really, I think the point here is, to Sean Watson's going to start for Cleveland this year. Like, he's going to play, and just aside from everything that happened with this man

off the field, but we haven't even seen him on the field in a while, because the Sean Watson, aside from coming back, had the, I believe Austin Gale here at the ringer kept coming up with these numbers, where by almost any metric you looked at, the worst offense in Cleveland Brown's history was what,

to Sean Watson did in the first half of this season. It cannot be clear enough, like, that is saying something. The worst offense in Brown's history, it's actually insane to think about that being true, but it's the first seven games that leaves the worst seven game period in the, in the history of the Cleveland Brown's an offensive efficiency.

Then to Sean Watson towards Achilles, then he tore it again during rehab again twice. tore it again, and so now he's going to come back from this double Achilles tear,

and he's probably going to start, because he makes $46 million a year.

“So that's what I'm thinking about when I look at this is,”

Cleveland has to rebuild their entire offensive line. Just so to show and watch and come back from a double Achilles tear, this is even by Brown's standards, this is a crazy team this year. Dude, when you look at the Sean Watson, what he's done in the last however long, he hasn't played more than seven games in a season since 2020.

That's crazy. Which is a very long, he hasn't thrown for more than seven touchdowns in a season since 2020. It is, it's shocking. I actually, the Brown's are, I used to think it was maybe the jets. I'd want to be the least, maybe it is the Brown's.

Talking yourself into fucking to Sean Watson this year is as grim and low as it gets. Why don't they just start shoulder? I'm confused. Proble quarterback shooter Sanders. Yeah.

Well, I don't think it starts to do it. Well, it'll be a competition. It'll be the most electric competition in August to do our Sanders for to Sean Watson. It's actually insane. Again, I keep thinking about that set the world or post where he's like when shoulder Sanders

made the Proble and he's like, well, shoulder didn't play enough to qualify for ESPN's total quarterback rating, but if he had, he would be last. Proble or shoulder Sanders or to Sean Watson anyway. So the Brown's are just, she's good luck. Yeah, bless Andrew Barry's heart.

Okay. Let's get to the combine. And there's a bunch of other fragency stuff. We're going to hit all the fragency stuff as it happens. There's a lot of the news, this can happen, that can happen.

We're going to hit it when it actually happens because sometimes the reports that come out are like just the group chat. Like all the 32 GMs don't have a group chat. They just do it through the news and so sometimes they're like, oh, we're going to cut this guy. And it's like, uh, we're actually trying to trade that guy.

So we'll hit everything as they actually happen. I think question, please. I briefly, well, I just thought of one question about the Browns into Sean really quickly. I'm thinking continue on with the combine. If the Browns just cut to Sean Watson, does he get added by a team?

No. Well, I mean, for $46 million, no, but yeah, you can sign.

Of course, you don't know. Like if the Browns just eat all the money, you're like, where do you want to get rid of them? To be clear, to be clear. To be clear, we're putting the morality aside of whatever you think of. Like as like, yeah, no, not even really.

I'm including that because that plays a factor. The Miami dolphins would sign them, yeah. You think so? Yes, they do. Arizona, DK, you're saying they what do you mean they want to sign them?

I kind of think, no, not worth it. Not worth the trouble. Well, you're saying they should, you're saying 32 teams would decide to not sign them in his career or be over. Right.

You actually think that. Yeah. Like if the Browns ate all the money, they're just like, we just want them off the team. And we'll, like, whatever. Double Achilles injury.

The dolphins can sign them for $1 million a year.

Incredible amount of baggage. No, I think he's, I think you'd be done. I think you'd be able to leave. I, I don't, I think. Look, it's a hypothetical.

You can think one thing. That's fine.

“DK, I think triggers DK, what do you want me to say?”

I think not. You think so. I can't tell, it's why I asked the question. I was like, man, if the Browns, I'm like, why don't the, the Browns just fucking eat the money and get rid of them?

And I'm like, would anybody add him? I don't know. I, I, I think, yes, and yes, of course they would. They're all fucking desperate to have a terrible quarterback who has a, a incredible amount of off, like, off-field baggage.

Sure. Yeah, they are. They have no, no standards. Absolutely. These teams have no standards.

They're as though the cardinals don't get off-class. Struggling enough. He sucks at football. How can you sell that?

You're the new GM of, you're, you're the two chads in Miami.

And how do you sell to the fan base? Why are you bringing in to Sean Watson? At least, I mean, as deplorable as it was when the Browns did it, you could argue that he was coming off being a good quarterback still. And you believe he was a good quarterback.

What can you say now? The, what you tell the owner is like he was worth this a few years ago. And he had the injuries and they're like, well, he put him in a system that would work. And then he wouldn't work in this defense system and they'd just be honest. And they're like, yeah, we don't really care about this stuff that happened.

Then that's what you tell the fans. Probably you probably changed the message a little. Probably probably probably have to tweak that. Bring it a PR team handle that very delicately. Okay, anyway, that was the hypothetical I wanted to ask.

But it's good to know that it seems like there's, there is not a, the fact that you guys even think it's possible that nobody would sign him and that he probably will start for Cleveland says anything. This is everything you need to do. That's, that is the point, actually.

Yes, all right, let's get to the NFL combat winners and losers. I think there was more, this was a shockingly interesting combine for all the drills and everything and the actual results of the testing. And I want to go through winners and losers, but I'm curious if you disagree, Dick. I think it, I think the biggest winner of the combine is just speed.

Like, yeah, yeah, there's some, in saying times.

“I mean, I think I can't remember another time where we saw so many”

four threes and four, fours among like big players, big human beings. People over 200 pounds. Large people ran fast is the theme and they jumped high. I mean, I could go through, I've been at really, the Talladega Knight's joke. Like America's about speed, hot and nasty badass speed.

Like, yeah, I'm just looking at pro football talk. The combine was just, there was the, we, the word ever is a little cheating because it's like 25 years since this, in the 30 or 1999, depending on account. But the defensive backs as an overall group, fastest 40 or dash average. They all went four, four, four, four, four seconds on average.

Wide receivers were also four, four, four, four, fastest group ever. It was the fastest 40 or dash on average for running backs, for linebackers, tight ends, defensive linemen, even offensive linemen, every single group at the fastest ever, every one was the fastest.

Quarterbacks slow, merely the second fastest group ever for quarterbacks in the 40 or dash.

I don't want to take away, will you give us a little Talladega when the cars go back? When those cars go back, it's a bummer we didn't stay long enough in Indie, for DK to just sit there and watch all the four times in this rap battle. Just see, yeah, just gripping the hand, the white, not going to see. Yeah, Kenyan's the deeks running, he's like, oh, all the, all the silverware's clattering as I'm,

dude, so what do we make of this?

“To me, like, the first thing I think of is like, okay, so all these terms are wrong, right?”

Like, there's something going on. Well, remember a couple of years ago when they brought in the new guy that was manning the start gunner, whatever, and then everyone's running for, too. The guy, the guy in charge of the laser, whatever, retired for like, after 20 years, so that you guy did it. And we were sitting at the stake, a grus, Chris, and we were,

Mike Tomlin, all the Steelers coaches were next to us. Chris Alave, I ran like, he tied the combine record for 40 or dash. And we were all like, oh, shit. And Mike Tomlin was freaking out. And then it was like, uh, you really have like a 434, it's fine. But um, it did feel like that this year, just to go through it. I mean, we don't, I want to go through everything right now. But I mean, we got Kenyan Siddik,

the tight end at Oregon at the fastest 40 or dash ever for a tight end, depending on your count, or tied with, you know, Vernon Davis for like 20 years ago. I mean, the amount of people who just had all these records is insane. But I don't think, I feel like it's one part, guys are actually faster. But then it's also one part, they're, they're training more for the, for the 40 or dash, because, for example, fastest 40 or dash ever average time for running backs. I believe one running

“back though did a three, the three cone drill, like one running back participated, I believe.”

So that is why one guy did it. So that kind of tells you it's like, it's just time on task. They're just spending more time training for the 40. And then they're like, I'm good. And then I think it's part three is the slower guys stopped doing it. Right. Right. And so the, and they're like, oh, I'll do it up my pro day. I'll, might the track will be better or whatever. And I'll run a little faster, more time to train. So like the slower guys stopped, the faster guys are just spending more time

on it. And then the natural progression of athletes getting better. Yes. Like, yes. Yes. I think those are all the variables that are going in. Is it survivorship bias or selection bias, whatever the

case is, but only the fast guys are running now, basically, because the, the actual people that are

taking part in the combine is still going down. I feel like this year, there was more big name stars that took, took part. And that was cool. But I want to say a refuson pointed this out like, overall participation in the testing is still down year over year by quite a lot. Yeah. So basically, it's the fast guys are the ones testing and they're doing well. And then everyone else is like, no, I'm not going to test because I don't want you to make fun of me. I'm not fast.

So I won't run. Right. And like I've had said, guys are being more specialized. They're not doing

take more time to train for. And so now, when you watch, the 40 are dashed, when you watch these guys, their form is ridiculous. It's actually very good. Even like some of these really gangly offensive linemen are getting out of the blocks really fast and all this. So you can tell the training

“is improved. The athletes, I think generally, athletes just improve every year. It just kind of”

thing. The training gets better. The health, you know, like the diet, all that stuff is people are just better at it. You got chat beat, GPT. You can ask him want to eat beforehand and all this stuff. And could there was no one to ask? No, right. No one knew. You'd have to look it up and you said that he would be a Britannica. You know? Yeah. But the idea of a banana was good for you, bad for you. No. It was tough. But that was a crazy tug and cheek Craig for the record up. But

yeah. But also like maybe did they change the turf and everyone's just fucking faster and bouncy here because some of the vertical jumps were insane as well. There's like a guy who jumped 45 inches

so the vertical, the jumping is also at a controls. I mean, sunny styles is like, I think the first

guy to ever be over 240 pounds and hit 43 nephew inches for six foot four or six foot five guy to ever jump 43 nephew's. I mean, sunny styles line back from out of state who were to ease the biggest winner of all. He was a big star. Yes. I think he's the biggest winner of all this. You could argue he had one of the best comment for him. It's his ever. We can't talk about sunny styles for a long time. We learned he's actually nicknamed after sunny from the Godfather,

because he had so many anger issues as a child that they just called him sunny because he had a temper, which could talk about that for a long time. His vertical jump is a foot higher than Barani James. Dude, what was his official vertical? 43 and a half inch vertical, which and the NBA is very good. No one at the NBA combine, which is cheating a little because all the elite guys don't do the NBA combine really. But I don't think anyone at the NBA combine is

said 43 and F inches are like four years. And he hit them as a line back. That's like Anthony Edwards level. Yes, vertical. I mean, Michael Jordan was like 47, 48. I mean, he is, this is truly elite territory for an out of L player. He's also and D. K. I want you to talk about this. He's also a

“fucking six foot five linebacker, sunny style. I think you could count on one hand. How many”

six genuine six foot five guys have played inside linebacker in the NFL. That's not normal. And so you're like, Oh, they're big. And he's also this athletic. And so I think sunny style is when you look at him, it's the old. It's one of the better combine for him. It's ever because the physical like he's so big. And he's really fast. And he can jump on. And that is kind of the whole point. Yes, I think it's going to push him up even more. I mean, there's talk of people

people are coming out of the combine. People are saying top five is possible. I certainly certainly think top 10 is possible now. If it wasn't already, especially in a season like this or in a draft like this, where there's not a lot of blue chip guys at premium positions, I think his potential and ceiling is going to push him up, and teams are going to get really, really excited about it. By the way, the tape is good too. You know what I mean? It's not like this guy's just a super athletic

guy that maybe we can turn him into a good player. Like his tape is already good. His tackle, his mistackle rate was miniscule this last year. He has the versatility. Sometimes he lines up on the edge and he rushes. He's like kind of very, so it's almost strange to how similar

“him in our Ville Rees are. I think the frame logged our Ville Rees. Yeah. Rees had a great combine too,”

and he got totally overshadowed because Sunny Styles was absolutely just going nuclear on it, but I mean, Sunny Styles is gesturing so much that he frame logged our Ville Rees. Kind of being the number two pick and all that much. Let this die. Let this die. Yeah. Be refers to now we're going

we're going to let it go. Yeah, we're going to be first. It's cool to lead the party early. Yeah, yeah.

But yeah, so I think he he was maybe the biggest overall winner just because I think now if someone takes him on the top five, it's not going to be like that big of a deal to the general public probably. TK, I want to ask you basically. So there's a lot of these guys who were really fast, a lot of these freak athletes. Is this like the even worry effect? Is there a type of player that is now more coveted? These like tweener types like we were talking at the combat about

that guy, the Cardinals drafted or was it something Collins five years ago? Who was like this tweener was it's even comes. The Cardinals are also the Clemson guy from like Isaiah Simmons. Isaiah Simmons. It was like these like 6364, 220 guys that are like, is he a safety? Is he a linebacker? Is he like, what is he on the cannon? Yeah, are we now entering kind of a different era where we want to have these like big nickel safety types that are like these fast,

tweener safety linebacker types? Is that a new trend because of what we're seeing from the modern defenses in your opinion? I mean, I think it definitely can be. Yes, and it's like the Mike McDonald sort of family of defenses is going to be copied and you know, there's going to

be his coaching tree is going to expand over the next few years basically. And that is sort of,

I think the big picture is you have guys that can do a little bit of everything. They can run.

Because it's the same on offense. It's like it used to be. The best receiver was on the outside and the running back ran the ball. The tight end was slow. And now it's like the tight ends are

basically receivers. The the best wide receiver on the team is playing in the slot half the time.

Jimmy or Gibbs is basically a wide receiver. So you need these linebackers and safety's in nickels to be able to cover everybody because everybody on offense is becoming the same thing.

“Yeah, you need to match the explosiveness that you're seeing on in the skill positions. And I think”

this is a big part of it. So any styles is really interesting, man. I mean, there were times where he looked legit big. I took this as kind of like an negative. But I also think it can be framed as a point pointing to a ceiling. Like there were times where he kind of looked bored. Like like this last year where I was like he's like just he's so fast and rangey and long and explosive that there were times where he just didn't even look like he was trying that hard.

And he was still making the plays. I think his ceiling is is absolutely astronomical. And I think Rville Reese by the way, it's still awesome. Still a great prospect. The other one of them know what to call him. They're both guys who Rville Reese played basically 50 50 off-ball linebacker and edge. And I think Sunny Styles was slightly more towards linebacker. But he could he did still get opportunities to kind of come off the edge. I think.

But they're they're very similar elite athletes, great length, great twitch. I think Rville Reese's maybe a little bit more wiggle, laterally. But you know man, Ohio State. Ohio State, I have to keep up with the winner of the draft because the real winner of the combat and because they were told about map Patricia prepare. They all crush their interviews too. And I think map Patricia prepared them for their interviews, which I've made fun of him a lot.

But he's probably prepared them for their interviews better than other coach teams good. So I think Ohio State, all the Ohio State guys are Ville Reese and Sunny Styles to particular the winners. But to that point about Mike McDonald to your point Craig Nickenman worry who again is the the safety. So I was took in the second round who I think should have won defensive rookie the year really like elevated the defense and everything. And I think that

that is the key thing to understand about these guys and Rville Reese and Sunny Styles.

And Dylan Tieneman from Oregon and safety, Tieneman. Oh, it's the end of the end of the end. And the overall trend though, it's not that complicated. In deep in sports,

“in particularly on defense, you have to be able to do a little bit of everything as”

he could said in spaces. You can't just be like it used to be in football and in basketball. I'm an A at this and I'm a D at this, but I'll be a situational player. And so like if you're in basketball, the Roy Hibbert, right? You're a center. You're seven foot tall. No hand or you can't guard the perimeter. I'm going to great for a protector of the rim, but I can't go out in the three point line. And then NBA just started switching everything. And so we're going to drag Roy Hibbert

down to the space into the deep end. He can't survive out here. They hunted those types of players to extinction. They don't exist anymore. Now all the three, the seven footers could shoot threes because they're the only ones who survived. Football is very same. You used to have line backers that were giant and hulking could stop the run, but couldn't do the pass. And they'd play on early downs. And you'd have smaller guys that were like past, past defenders, or past

rushers, whatever. They'd play in passing downs. And you're an A and one thing, you're D and the other. And guess what? Kyle Shayan and Sean McVeigh hunted all those defenders to extinction. And so they wanted. And just like NBA, it's like, you actually, it's more valuable to be a B and everything than have a D anywhere because they're going to find what you're bad at. Defends is the same thing. And again, it's not rocket science. It's all the Mike McDonald, that is podium at the

combine said he says frankly, scheme is overrated. It's about how you play. All the guys in the Houston Texans can flucking tackle. There are no quarterbacks who are better tackling on the Seahawks, the recoil and even then he's a physical crazy, crazy counted. There are no defensive backs in the Houston Texans that cannot tackle. Everyone in Seattle, everyone in Houston, they can all stop the run, they can all tackle. And they're all be at everything at a minimum.

So the point being, like, that is the overall trend. And as we go through it, though,

sunny style, like those kind of guys are essential. Sunny styles is the chance to be an A at

“everything. Like the ceiling is health, all this stuff. But like, he is what I think everyone is”

looking for, which is someone who can do everything potentially at an elite level. So my question is, where do you take a linebacker who might be able to do that? Like, it's the giants at five, should they take Sunny styles? I mean, honestly, again, in this draft, if you went third, it probably wouldn't bug me to be totally honest. I think you don't, going back over the years, you don't see many linebackers go that high, just off-ball linebackers. But I think you could talk

to yourself into him being, you know, moonlighting off the edge as well with that explosiveness and that length and just the potential to him to get him kind of lined up all over the field. So, you know what I mean? I think there's actually no, I still think RFL race probably the number two pick, but you know, coming off of the, coming off of the combine, he definitely got, Sunny style, it's definitely got more hype and was in completely overshadowed race who is a little lighter

and a little smaller. So, you know, there's no ceiling really other than I don't think he's going

and again, we can positional value get all that later, but I want to just reiterate, we made a ton of

“fun of the combine entering this. And we're always like, oh, we ran a 40 with no pads on from a”

track stance without a football and then it's like, oh, like, we already know they're fast. They have tape. And I want to just point out Mike McDonald's said about Nick and I'm worried who had the best combine before it's last year. He's like, it just forced Mike McDonald's to go back and actually look at all his tape with a lot more scrutiny. And he's just watched because they have to watch all these for agents that they're going to sign all these guys. And so it actually forced Mike

McDonald's. He's like, after the combat, I went and watched him wait deeper. So Craig, I wanted to ask you, I have a weird theory here because I don't want to be like, oh, well, these guys had good combines. They're going to be a draft to do. I think the combine has a lot in in common with the four your consideration campaigns for Oscar movies. Okay, because they're sailors. No, but it all serious is they said all the voters, they have parties, they meet the actors,

they do the stuff, they have campaigns. And it's like, why do you need all this? You, if you're

a voter, you saw the movie, why would anything other than the movie matter? It's like first, well,

first of all, just because your voter doesn't mean you saw the movie. That's the whole point. Yeah. They are constantly inviting you to screenings where the stars show up, where there's Q and A's. They're trying to get these movies in front of people because they don't, you know, it's throwing it on at home with your screener. When you're distracted and you're doing other things, it's not the same as getting you to go to Hamlet where Jesse Buckley is going to sit

down afterwards and do a Q and A. And I think the combine is the exact same thing, and I think

“that's how I'd frame it, where it's like when sunny style, like I think the next guy Kenyan”

Cityek from Oregon, I want to talk about him. He's the other side of the coin here. Yeah, you know, he's legitimately the schematic inverse to sunny styles. What does sunny style solve? He can run with the elite tight ends. He can run with the elite running backs. And now we got Kenyan City who's posting, sorry, I totally interrupt you. He's posting absolutely astronomical testing numbers. Fastest tie-to-end ever at the combine? Yeah, depending, but no, that's what I was saying,

though, is that I think that to your Craig's point, it's the same thing where it's like the reason that the met-numbers matter is when they say, oh, it's the fastest tie-to-end ever. It's like, oh, did you watch, like the head coach might have just started this. Did you watch Kenyan City? Yeah, I watched five games. It's like, all right, well, now I guess I'll watch 11. This is how advertising works. Yes. If he runs a fast 40-time, now you have something that you can

market. Yes. And I also think it's, we can't lose track of the fact, I mean, you guys are alluding to this throughout this whole thing. We can't lose track of the fact that we're all human beings. We are susceptible to things. You know what I mean? Yeah. You're susceptible to hearing that. And then you start to anchor that, oh, he is, this is the fastest tie-to-end we've ever seen in the combine. What can I do with that? He's your dog's barking up the storm right now. Yeah,

every time we start a podcast, he goes downstairs and starts barking it up. He's like sunny styles, this is a dog. That's just, if you, if you do a podcast at home, don't buy a great piranese dog because they are just, they just lump barking it up. Something funny about saying,

“don't buy a dog. I think that's why. It's right. We didn't buy it. We adopted him. He was a”

rescue fighter. But you can't buy a dog, but no, you can't do that. That's the joke we always get.

You get a dog. You don't buy one. But you do. Well, the joke we just make is that like every dog owner sometimes, like either adopted or you're like, oh, I paid $7,000 for golden doodle that was raised on a farm in North Carolina. And the cat owners are like, I found mine in a garbage can. Hi, Fitzgerald, your cat literally had his ear bitten off because he was living in it. No, they clipped the ear because that's a community cat thing. It means he's been like vaccinated

and doesn't have got it. He's not an anti-vax cat. That's what they're clippings for. Do you want me to yell at my dog? No, no, I like it. People have dogs. People have hurt dogs. It's fine. Keep it. Keep it. It's Logan. Um, but the way last year's study style says, did you see Kyle Hamilton? They did a side by side. Oh, yeah. That was the study style. And Kyle Hamilton did quote tweet it and said, I got brutally framed mugged. Brute. I like the brutally throwing

in that brutally framed mind. It is crazy that he's, it was brutal. Perfect use of it. Yeah, that is what it is. But the fact that he's 25 pounds heavier than Kyle Hamilton is an inch taller. He ran pretty decently faster than the 14. He's six inches higher in the vertical. Just these were explosive athlete bigger, faster and going to play landbacker. I just can't kick it over for studies styles. DK, do you think? Do you think freak athletes benefit more on the defensive

side than the offensive side? There's a lot of offensive players like Pook and I don't know. A lot of the best offensive players are not like the biggest freaks. I'm on our same brown or what even JSN to a degree. Is it harder, but what you're like, you know, but they're not a play. They know what they're doing. They're good. They're savvy. Is that harder to identify on defense and is it easier to just be like, give me the freak? That's a great question. My initial reaction is yes,

it's probably easier to coach up and develop a freak athlete on the defensive side of the ball than offensive side. Just because I mean, there's a reason they call them skill players on offense.

savvy in terms of identifying the coverages that you're going to be able to exploit. You have

to have chemistry with the court. There's so many different things. I think this is super generalized

“because you have to have skill on defense also. You have to have instincts and play with anticipation”

tackling and all that stuff. There's certainly skills on that side of the ball, but I do think, I mean, some of the best past wrestlers in the NFL are just the freakyest athletes, right? So I think there is probably a stronger correlation there on the defensive side of the ball where you could coach up a guy on defense and turn him into something. And I think that's kind of actually apt with the M and worry thing. The M and worry effect is something we talked about coming into the

straft coming into this combine, I should say. And his tape and college wasn't like elite. And there's a reason he went in the second round. You know what I mean? There were some concerns about his stiffness in terms of changing directions and going backwards. He was, I think thought of as more of a guy who's going to be a robber and come downhill and play downhill, not necessarily be a backhand safety. So there were some reasons that he didn't have higher draft capital coming

into the coming into the draft last year. And Mike McDonald was able to kind of like identify

the strength that he has and like put him in a place where he can be an absolute game changer for this.

Well, I was going to say that there's nature of our nurture here too, right? Do you think if even worry goes to a team that's terrible? Like a, and I mean on the defensive side, they have a bad defensive roster. Do you think that changes how, how his rookie season went? Is it, isn't way easier for him that he could step into the, to a great defensive team and kind of just do what he needs to do and that's it? Not have to compensate for the lack of whatever else

“is around. I think so. Yeah, I think so. I mean, look at the CX defensive line. CX defensive line”

was one of the best in the NFL. Their ability to, you know, take on blocks, create pressure, force the quarterback to get rid of all a little bit quicker. There's all these different variables. They all, you know, all these guys are connected. I think yes, absolutely. The fact that he had, you know, the witherspoon played opposite him or next to him at times. It was like a huge factor. There's so many variables that go into that and yeah, dropping a, it's like a, it's different. This is

different, but dropping like a good running back or into, or an elite running back into a already good team makes that, that guy that much better because he's got good blocking, you know, all this other thing, all these other things could quarterback. I do think it matters, which again, just kind of makes evaluating guys in the drafts so impossible because like not only do we have to decide whether they're good or not is like where they're going to land and what players are

they're going to be playing around. Yeah, so you could work here, it might be a disaster here.

“Totally totally. That's why I joke with this every year, but we should just evaluate the prospects”

all over again now that they, where they've landed because it's just as important. Totally go as you know, if you imagine, we just like February to start over. We're just chilling and then they get drafted and that's about it. That makes more sense. It probably does. When are the other, when we mentioned Kenyan Sidik, so he's the Titan from Oregon, he's six foot three is two inch and 41 pounds. He ran a four three nine 40 or dash. So it's the fastest 40 or dash ever for

a tight end and the stat that went around all social media was just that he had this Kenyan Sidik hit the same top speed during his 40 or dash as Jimmyard Games did, which is 23.2 miles a hour. That's wild, but unbelievable. But the point is that Sidik is 42 pounds heavier than Jimmyard Gibbs. So if you go, I think if Gibbs is like the fastest player. Yeah. And so he's 42 pounds heavier and obviously crazy. The heavier you are, the hardest it is to go fast. So the speed score, which is

not very complicated formula, but it's basically accounting for how heavy you are because

Xavier Worthy breaking the 40 or dash record will Brian Thomas run it for the same year the 40 or dash having almost the same speed, where he's 30 pounds heavier is more impressive. So Kenyan Sidik is in the 100th percentile obviously for Titan like speed score. But by so much because again, he's fucking 241 pounds and at the fastest 40 or dash for Titan ever. Like that's insane. And he also had an outstanding vert and broad jump. He's third all time in combine history

in vert and then, sorry, in broad jump and then his vertical was 43 and a half, which is second most. So Deke, what you say is athletic. He is. This is going to be an interesting one. Hopefully he doesn't suck or else my whole athletic argument is going to kind of crumble. So front of my eyes. How good is Kenyan Sidik and where would a team have to take it? Who's the first team that takes Kenyan Sidik that you're like, oh, it's too real. Like if Washington took Kenyan Sidik with the

seventh pick, you know, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't like judge it harshly because I think adding a player like him would make sense in their offense and how good is he? Like how good I know he's fast. I mean, he's jumping all that stuff. It's a good football. Yeah, I already thought he was good. I think he is undersized. 6341, which is not quite as big as some of the quote unquote, like prototypical Titans in the NFL. But the 240 pound range is actually where I think the NFL is going

this game is in Florida, there's all these other guys that are kind of in that range now coming

out of college football where they can do a little bit of everything. They're they're serviceable as blockers. They may not be grunk, but they're serviceable as blockers. They can you do they can be utilized in the screen game in terms of getting them out in the space and blocking in the screen

“game. I think that's that is what Sidik that he's he's to me a pretty good blocker who also has”

rare athletic traits and could be developed in the pasting game. I think, you know, he had some real moss moments where he was like going up and taking the ball away from guys at the catch point, but he also had a couple of jobs. Like he's not a perfect prospect by any means. I don't think he's like the best Titan prospect we've seen lately. He's not as good in my mind as Bowers or some of these other guys from recent years. But I think he's a pretty darn good prospect and the athletic

system is off the charts good. So I think the ceiling is there for him to be a three-down

linebacker. They're not going to have to take him off the field when they want to end the ball. Sorry, what I say live. Yeah, Titan. He's not the type of guy they have to take off the field when they want to actually block you know what I mean. So he's not going to be like this concave type of player where he's being drafted only as they receive or so. On that note, I want to ask you with the other Titan, who's Eli Stowers and I thought it was Stowers, but I'm

pretty sure it's Stowers like Flowers, the Titan from Vanderbilt. I'm feel free to correct me on that, but I'm pretty sure. So he's 64, 200, 300 pounds. He ran a 4, 5, 40 year dash, but his vertical jump 45 inches vertically, which to Craig's 45 and a half. That is, that is, I can't tell you how high that is. That is like ski lead NBA vertical. Craig, it's the most in combine history. Yeah, it's no one's ever all players. Again, that would be all time in the NBA. Like that is

really pushing the limits of what like humans can do. It's crazy. I mean, it's almost four feet. Like it's fucking crazy and he's 64. He also had the broad jump his jump to 11 feet. Which think about that. Jump to 11 feet. Like that's crazy. And so I'm 100th percentile to all this stuff. All the outrageous testing. I have to say though. So it's a classic insane athlete. He was that Vanderbilt Vanderbilt's a weird football program because they were like the

Indiana of the SEC and then now they're like, well, he was that three. He went to A&M and then New Mexico and so Vanderbilt. The DK, I'm really curious you think here. I'm not trying to say anything about Eli Stowers in particular, in particular, but I don't know what to do with this position, because I don't like anyone thinks Eli Stowers is good at blocking. Like it's the nicest thing you

“could say is he needs to develop. Just make him a receiver. Well, that's my question. I think when you”

look at receiver, when you look at the athletic profile, I think you look at this guy at Stowers Vanderbilt and you're like, well, crazy athlete, definitely an NFL player. This appeared during some of the harder defenses that they had to play. Like he probably died. I think he dominated a little bit more versus there easier opponents. But when it's like Bama, Georgia, Florida, I don't think he was quite as good. But I feel like it's like, oh Eli Stowers, look at this

numbers for a shredder. I wouldn't want my team to take him. What are we going to do with a receiving tight end who can't really block? But someone should. And I'm like, what is the value of this position of like a way more athletic Evan Ingraham? Damn. I just feel like this player is not the kind of player I want in the NFL right now. Like if you get block and you're not on the elite receiver as a tight end, like, why don't what what am I going to do with you? I know. Well, it is truly

and again, it goes back to what we were just saying. It depends where he lands. Like what kind of

offense are they going to be running with him? So he basically defecto slot receiver because I'm

into that. Like I'll be really excited about that. If they're trying to turn him into a traditional

“inline tight end, it might take a really long time. And I think we see this kind of a lot. It's like”

why tight end's kind of a slow developing position is, you know, these guys are coming into the NFL. They got to learn how to block. They got to learn how to be a de facto offensive linemen in a lot of cases. If he lands with a team that's just going to be like, look, we know that your skill set is as a receiver only and we're going to like let you just go be a slot receiver. So he's like a monero same brown or something. I'm like Harold Fan End or something like that where you're

just utilizing me in the passing game, screens, slants, things like that where you're not asking him to be a blocker that much. I think that's where he could really shine. But yeah, it just depends where he lands. He's probably going to land like 40 feet away because he can jump. So I'm freaking nice. Like think about like how the chargers use gads and around a gads this year where he was like essentially just a big receiver. But again, it's like how often are you going to be on the

field? Are they going to have him on the field enough to have him be a useful fantasy option? Because there's a lot of quote unquote like pass catching move tight ends. But just don't play enough. It's like the Isaiah likely thing or just trying to think like check a quenquo where you're constantly mesmerized by their upside in terms of, yeah, if this guy played 75% of snaps,

percent. This is felt like the point of money ball. It was like that scene in a money ball where they're like, oh my god, think about how good of a hitters could guy could be. Look at his ass and he's like,

“we're not still in jeans here. And I'm like, like, you can jump again. Oh, are you going to play him?”

Yeah, like half. Yeah, sure. I'm like, yeah, that's the question. The other winner here, I think we have to share my love the running back from Notre Dame. We it was fun to actually have great the great players actually participate in the combine. I mean, DK, this is obviously number one running back. Everyone's number one running back. But he's six foot, 200, 12 pounds. Four, three, six, 40 are dash for Jeremiah Love.

Second fastness of anybody back this year. But faster than Sake One Barclay,

Christian McCaffer, Jonathan Taylor, B. Jean Robinson in the 40 are dash. And just the perfect mix of insanely productive against, well, Notre Dame schedule probably kept in another comfortable playoff. But like he's been insanely productive for Notre Dame for two years and is also just was runs very fast. I don't know. I feel like he's probably would have been a higher prospect in Ash and Gentie last year. Like Jeremiah Love probably would have been

“drafted ahead of Gentie last year. I think that that is a good question. I would love to see”

that play out because I feel like I still would have Gentie slightly higher at half him in a slightly higher tier. But I think like Gentie was more of a phenomenon. Yeah, I think like his highlights were more he was a more viral style runner. I think Gentie has more wiggle and more tackle breaking prowess. But Love is probably closer to what the NFL actually needs in terms of his passing game ability. His ability to kind of like line up it run routes and win on one at once. He has

that home run hitting potential that I don't know if Gentie was known quite as much for. So yeah, he would just like get singles and bulldozed through all the infielders for it. Right. The pork also Notre Dame against Boise State. Like NFL seems probably going to take Notre Dame. You know, I mean, just because of the the history there in the competition mountain West underrated. Now you're right. But yeah, so yeah, I would have loved to see how that happened. I'm guessing

yeah, you're right, probably. You're probably right. It's like Love probably would have gone higher in last year's draft. We decay. We had an Oregon move at this and it's before we had our coffee. So we stopped because I thought it was it was going to go like Craig. You weren't down here for this.

You were dealing with something that flicks 80 billion dollar deal episode of Hot Town with

Matthew Billy. Hi, they recommend by the way. Great. I'm Jordan 111 billion now. Right. 111 billion. It's a lot to make movies. It's a lot of money. That's so many billions. That's crazy. We couldn't agree with Jeremiah Love was going to go in the draft. And like I think the ceiling we probably agree roughly is like the giants at five feel like the highest team that would take Jeremiah Love. Even if he might be the highest player greater player in team sport,

the Raiders are going to take windows. I don't think the jets tag free to all that I could take a running back. The cardinals, I don't think they're going to take a running back. The Titans probably aren't taking a running back. The giants are the first two I think might. Deakin I had no agreement whatsoever on where the floor was and I'm curious Craig. I don't know

“the best way to do this. Maybe. But the Browns are at six. Washington's at seven. Then there's like”

old school saints are at eight. I could see that happening. Chiefs are at nine. People see that going to happen. Bangles. There's old schools at Gets. And the disagreement because Deca was wondering it could he fall to the 18 or 19 to 20. And on one hand, I see what he's saying. On the other hand, I'm like if he's the number one graded player in team sports, I feel like he could go to a surprising team. Bangles at 10, dolphins at 11, Cowboys at 12, Rams at 13, Ravens at 14,

Bucks at 15. I'm like, is Buck here? Sorry, is Jeremiah Love really going to fall like 60's probably going to go top 10. I thought about it. I thought about it more. There is a gap between 9 and 18. Like I think if he gets past Kansas City at nine, he probably won't get drafted until 18 plus at Minnesota because I think all of those teams don't need running backs or have other plans. But I probably agree with you. I think I feel like every year that there's a kind of

superstar outlier running back like this, the same way of the same conversations. Well, you can't

you don't want to draft the running back too early, it never works out. And then you know what,

somebody drafts the running back in the buck time. Like what is the last time the generational running back went 23rd? Also, all these guys who hated nerds and hated the running back argument, they're like, look, you idiots, the running like running the ball came back around. Like they all feel right. So I feel like he's not getting past Kansas City at nine. I think the floor is Cowboys at 12. I think the Cowboys, like the idea that 12, because there's only considered

12, first 11, first round grades or whatever, the idea that a player that would be at worse, your third highest graded player. At some point, I hope boards mean something, because we talk about fucking boards with teams for four months. At some point, if he's your highest rated player on a board. And then he falls to 12th, then what are we even doing? You know what it'd be? And so I, but I don't, but it's an issue in question decay, because that was what might happen.

Where do you think he should go? Like if you were somehow running all these teams, where is the right place to take a running back? Because we just talk about, well, you should do it when you have

I think it was Thursday night about if you should go to the chiefs or not. If I vehemently think no. No, no, no. Yeah, the argument that we got into. What did we call it? Who's the coolest team

“that he could go to? And correct. And I think we're initially just like chiefs. And then”

high fives like this is the boring, we just keep adding conversations about what's cool with Kansas. You know what? I think, here's my issue. It's a homeschool. No, I'd love going there be cool. Here's Well, the cool, no, that's just the cool. It's the chiefs. I think we had this insight during the season that in season Danny Kelly would hate off season Danny Kelly. Like they wouldn't get along. They don't agree on anything. And like I think that Craig, you have a little bit of this too.

I think Craig is seven. Yeah, you are seven. You are seven. Craig has for four years. All he's done is talk about how much he hates watching the chiefs' offense every week. Greg has probably mentioned 60 times over the last two days. Because they're running cream hunt out there.

Because they need good players. They need an amazing player. So yes, but if you have one

excited, that's just runs into the back of his blocker. So how's that the coolest place you're on my I love could go? Because it's not the coolest place you could go. Like if you look at all these other teams, what do you want me to say? The fucking chargers? Like he's not going to go there. Yeah, like it would be that cool if he was there. But it's not going to happen. I'm within reason. I think the cowboys are much cooler than the chiefs. And they're two picks away.

Three picks away. The cowboys having a legit offensive line, CD lamb, franchise-type pick into deck. I think that's the coolest place you could go. Yeah, that's cool too. I agree.

“Yeah, I think that is. But you see, you see, you see the fucking team?”

I think on the spectrum of, you know, out of every NFL team, where he could land, the chiefs to me of a team that could actually draft him are closer to the a 10 on the cool scale than a one. I mean, what we're talking about, even if it doesn't make sense for them, the chiefs and Patrick Behomes having an elite player on the team is cool. Would you rather die than kill on the chiefs was cool? Travis Kelsey and the chiefs was cool. During my love on the chiefs would be cool.

Yeah, just to continue the, my home's burrow thing. Not for the bankals fans, not for chiefs fans, not for the teams, for our sick, for the purpose of the NFL being popular at and like us creating content. Okay. Would you rather Jeremiah love go to the bangles and be with Joe Barrow and Jamar Chase and T. Egan's or would you rather Jeremiah love go to the chiefs because they're, they pick 9 and 10 back to back. Chiefs are not fun. Chiefs are 10. Chiefs. Same. Yeah,

'cause it's like, the teams are interested with the fan base in the bangles. Also, I don't trust the bangles. I, you know, it's so funny. I, I feel like I've been defending the bangles all off season because everyone's like, well, you don't, you got to put it off its line around Joe

Barrow. I'm like, they chilled out like $400 million for all the players Joe Barrow asked for.

If they had let T. Egan's go, we'd be saying they're so cheap. You won't, if they put that money to offensive line, it's like Dan Moore Jr. and you're to play left tackle. We'd be like you're too cheap to get bring T. Egan's back. They brought Chase back. They brought T. Egan's back. Joe Barrow asked for fucking Mike Cassicki. They brought him back, too. They did everything asked for and everyone's like, you don't do anything with Joe Barrow. I'm like, get out of here.

They just spent more money than they ever spent. I don't even know if they spent that much money to buy the fucking team. I don't know. I don't know what are they supposed to do. Real quick, getting back to the argument that hyphids and I had about where to put Jeremiah love in the mock drafts. Part of the process, I truly tried to put myself into the minds of the teams as they're going along. What is going to be the most valuable pick we can make here? What

are some of the holes? First of all, number one, teams don't always fill their biggest need

with their first round pick. That's not how it works. Sometimes there's weird picks. No, every time every draft or a bunch of weird picks. So it's not always like, oh, this guy feels a need. It is who they think is the highest draft player. That being said, if I'm putting myself in the minds of the cardinals, if they take a running back at three, that is so stupid to me. That doesn't solve any of your problems. It just doesn't make sense. We're learning the wrong lesson. They

were taking the wrong lessons from some of these teams that in the past with the success they've had at running back. I mean, look at what the raiders did. They took a running back and now they're picking first. So I do try to put myself in the minds of these teams and in these decision makers. And I'm like, if I'm the Cardinals, I'm absolutely not taking a running back, even if these the top credit player. Sorry. Spins on. Spins on. Look at the raiders. I was dropped in S&JT. Maybe you

want to be first. Yeah. And now you have your franchise quarterback and your franchise running back. Maybe the Cardinals take to your my love. Sock with your Kobe Bersett. And the next year, your draft class. Great quarterbacks. Now you have arch manning in to your my love in 2027.

“Congratulations. I mean, if it's like, if you want to play like 40 chess. Sure. I get like you could”

do it that way. I don't think people think that. No one will see that. Exactly. I mean, Carol, Pete Carroll took forget Gentie and then he got fired. So I don't know. I think I do agree with you though. Like in this draft class, it's like, this is going to be referred and that we say like for everything. But in this draft class, he could go really high. He don't go three or four. The other part with Jeremiah Love thing. What could Tennessee take him? I don't see why that's not going

bit about the offensive line. You have your quarterback. There's there are no good skill players on Tennessee.

“Like as good as as cool as I think you look, I'm in Calvin. Like they need a cool player to like”

have score touchdowns and pick up yards on this team. Jeremiah Love. That's fair. I guess it could go help the team. If the Titans took Jeremiah Love, I think it would be really surprising, but you're right, it probably wouldn't be stunning. Like being a good thing who is getting the ball and Tennessee, that we feel good about. I think when there's defensive ends that high, I think generally speaking, you're just, it's just harder to find those guys in round two and three than it is running

back to receivers. But I do think to the Jeremiah Love conversation, and I want to talk about this next guy, Mike Washington Jr, the running back from Arkansas, who, I mean, six foot one, two, to 20 pounds, he ran a 4, 3, 3, 4 to your dash, which considering he's over 2, 2, 20 pounds, one of the best times ever. Again, 100th percent on speed score. I like the best speed score ever. Yeah, he had the fastest 40 yard dash of any running back this year, and he's 220 pounds, which again, Devon H and Ren,

a pretty similar time. Like 4, 2, 8 versus 4, 3, 3, 5 pounds. Yeah. 35 fewer pounds or whatever

you wait it like like that's insane. It's basically the same thing. And it was actually a really

nice moment like Mike Washington kind of like broke down like two hands covering his face crying. Yeah. And then he apologized. I don't know if all that work, and he was like, I'm sorry, I'm emotional. I just worked for this mile of life. And it was like really sweet. And I do think that's the larger conversation, too, is like those fringe guys getting moved up is the bigger thing. But I think this is some of the Jeremiah Love conversation, because it's a huge gap between

Jeremiah Love and these other running backs. Last year, DK, how many guys were projected to be like, maybe starting a level in front of running backs? Like 8 or 9? Yeah. Like we ended up with it. And the Steelers picked the one guy who was it. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, she did. But I'll get you Omar Khan. I'm coming. You tell him I'm coming. I'm bringing it out with me. But I think that's why you saw David Montgomery trade today is because teams have to go and get a running back

because they know that's a raft one. That is the that's the rebe between the lines. Thing that happened today. Like the Texans giving up two picks end up player to go get a

ride like a 28 year old running back. To me, the first thing I thought I was like, oh, God,

just they hate this, this running back group. Like they're, you know, this is why Kevin Walker's probably going to get paid really well. Three tall is getting franchise. There's basically one good like elite running back in this class that Jeremiah Love and then there's a lot of guys. There's a lot of jacks just like guys. And I don't know, maybe Mike Washington can be better. The thing that I kind of thought about with Mike Washington look, I think he'll probably go like third

“round. I think the speed is legit. You can see the speed on tape, which is important. It's not just a”

guy who runs really fast in the 40. You can see the speed on the field. But you know, he's a fifth year guy who's got he's now on a third school. This is the first year that he kind of produced big time numbers. The thing that kind of came to my mind is there's a there's an Instagram account that is like, is this a good fit or is this guy just hot? You know, and it's like, is he stylish or just hot? And I don't know if he's actually good or if he's just fast. There's

a lot of really fast guys that are don't turn out to be any good. Like Isaac Rendo, Jalen Wright, Isaiah Pacheco, I guess he was better than people expected. So maybe he's not the best example. But there's a lot of fast guys that don't turn out to be very good. You know what I mean? That's a great call because it is kind of like the hardest part of buying clothes online because you go to the store and it's like a mannequin in his faces and you picture yourself in it. Online there's no mannequins

you just have really hot people wearing the clothes and you're like, how would this look on me? Well, even the mannequins stuff because the mannequin is built like an NBA play, right? Well, mannequins got one's good. The mannequin is also got a wish I had that mannequin. I'm getting framer by the mannequin. God damn brutal framer. Come out look at the mirror. You're like, this is nothing like what it looks like. You know, like show me a sore that has a mannequin with a beer

“gut. That's what they need. I know right? I should be a mannequin with man boobs. I want to see a mannequin”

with a little junk in the street. Open a store called beer gut. Real mannequin. I'm sure we would be the first real mannequin. This is a real mannequin. Wait, you should see. What a real man looks like. Another idea someone's going to steal another billion dollars. Just cut that out. Cut that out. Cut that out. Cut that out. Cut that from the shell. Real mannequin. Wait, what does the store look like? What do we sell? What do we mean? What do we sell? We sell clothes for dads.

It's pretty good. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. It can't be in a wall though, because dads don't like go into the mall. It's attached to a home deep up. Yes. Oh my god, this porklet's so big. And there's

always a strip all behind. Yeah. Yeah. It's like whatever the spirit Halloween is by the home deep all.

Like we just do that. It's out by the, it's out by the garden center. Yeah, your first pair of cargo shorts is free. Get you in and then you're hooked. Do you know what I learned? I learned that the

LVMH, like the luxury like Airmez Louis Vuitton conglomerate. How much does the NFL make here?

Like that, like $22 billion. And the flower, the flower sector at Home Depot makes $18 billion in

revenue a year. I get decide if flowers are the biggest scam in American history, or if flowers are really nice. Do Valentine's Day? Did you guys get flowers on Valentine's Day? It is, yeah, every year. I'm just like, what do I get flowers? Like did you buy flowers for your loved one? Yes. I did. You know what I mean with flowers? I mean, at a wedding, the budget for flowers. Oh, it's just like, it's flowers are at a control. Oh, I was wrong. It's $20 billion. This will shoot

you journal. $20 billion in the garden. Six don't need to get it. It's $20. Is there a worse bang for your buck than flowers? They would be getting a week. Do Jackie's Valentine's flowers are downstairs? I'm still pouring water in them. They're actually cooked, but either, so you start to smell bad. It paid so much money for those things. It's like there's no worse bang for your buck than fucking flowers, even though in the moment tremendous bang for your buck. Oh, yeah.

It, it, it's so hard, but depreciates so quickly. It's like a car. The second you drive it off

the line. I thought I'm ruined. All right. Dude, email us about flowers.

“Bring your fantasy football, Jim. What can we, what can we chain? What can we use instead of flowers?”

I'll be more useful. Like, like a little step ladder for in the home. That's, that's a pretty useful. You're using that all the time. You get your wife a step ladder. You get your wife a step ladder? No, I don't know. Every, every now. My point, no, no, obviously not going to do that. My point is like, what could we replace that's more actually useful? And what the question is, is it about the flowers or is it about the gesture? Because if, if you had a guard in your backyard that had

beautiful flowers. And on Valentine's day, all you had to go do is go to the backyard pick a nice bouquet and hand it to your wife. Does that hit his heart? Oh, I, well, did you grow them or did she? If you're cutting her flowers, then no, if you grew the garden, that's more meaningful. But if she just did all the work and you went out and plucked them and made it a little bit. Oh, certainly that. But he did like, if you just have a, if you're just like a gardener and you just go to the backyard and

give your wife flowers every Valentine's day from the backyard, I don't know if it hits his heart. Yeah. It's about, it's about going out of your way and spending the money and like the gesture,

“the thought. Yeah, emails. I think, I don't know. I don't know what we'll know.”

What? We'll have a good alternative at mannequin. We're going to sell, we're going to sell some great stuff at mannequin. Real mannequin. We're going to sell. Yeah. We'll have a whole section for, you know what, we're instead of an express check out like the supermarket 12 items of less, we're going to have a, you forgot what day it is thing? Like you forgot to show wife's birthday. You forgot to show your anniversary and like you're going to have an express line for men who are like

honor system. I really. And it's very quickly. Yeah, we'll sell cheap flowers and what's nice is

then on the bill, it'll say Home Depot. So the wife won't really think that your last second panic

buying some flowers. Trader Joe sells flowers are a reasonable price because it's like a loss leader for them. It's like the rust chickens. Also, I'll, I'll try to just produce. I feel like 48 hours gone. It's not, it's not the strength. It's affordable because it's like an hour and a half away third life cycle. They bought it from the other stores. Yeah. It's like brochure outlet too. Anyway, other combat guys, we're definitely the first people to go from this to Dylan the,

the end of, which is, is the end of, it's the end of, it's the end of, yeah, it's the end of, the safety from Oregon. This guy is the man. Yeah. I know I've talked a lot about Caleb down from our estate, but D.K. I want you to cook with Dylan the item in here because the safety from Oregon, I feel like he's also going to be like a first from pick and maybe a top 20. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's looking like that. So first of all, I really like the tape. I mean, he's one of

those guys that kind of plays all over the field. They can play him in the deep half. They can play him in the slot. Overhang, you know, to fact, a linebacker, he's really instinctive. He has good ball skills. There's good ball, ball production there in terms of picks and just showing his ability to anticipate where the ball is going. He rangey, good tackler. There's, there's very few things I don't like about him. And he's any, and then he went and did this at the combine. He ran

a four, three, five, 40, 97% tile, 41 inch vert, 95% tile for safety. So the athleticism, it just matches everything that you saw on the tape. Yeah. I love this guy. I think he has like top 15 potential. I, in fact, the team picking at 15 is, all right, I guess it's the blackeners. I was thinking the Vikings are picking at 18. I had him go into the Viking. I think he could even go higher than that, too. Dude, I think Dylan Thineman is phenomenal. Honestly, he reminds me of it. I think Kirkland

ran like make a Fitzpatrick. I think he's fantastic. I think that he can do so many different

“things on defense. And again, it's what we were saying before of like you need to be able to do”

everything. And I actually think playing the lines is actually maybe a good, like, instructive point of like, imagine if you're playing the lines. You need a guy. You get you a man who can do both. Can you,

cover Sam LePort. But then the real question is, if you're lined up in a monro, maybe they want to double James and Williams. Can you guard a monro, same round? And if a monro sits a pick, and then they switch you into James and Williams, can you tackle James and Williams on a crosser? So it's like, can you beat a tight end on a block? Can you cover a tight end? Can you keep a, maybe you're not going to stop James and Williams from getting a mesh route, but can you tackle

him? So James and Williams is not, he can do all this stuff. And I think this is what you, this is what I mean. Well, can you be a be in everything? I think I think the phenomenon is like a super modern defender. Yeah. It's like it's like in the NBA. It's like you want guys who can switch one through five. Yes. Basically now like you can just switch on every screen and it doesn't matter. You will be able to match up well. And I think, and that's the thing we were saying, all those

tweeners, I just think they were kind of early players. Like, like, like, those guys like Isaiah Simmons, even Minkin, like all those guys are more valuable now. And this is what the league needs.

“Because so I don't I think life is time. I think the the end of the kit is, it's amazing.”

DK, you mentioned 97th percentile 40 are dash amongst safety. And then he was in the 95th percentile in the vertical jump for safety, which again, just incredibly explosive player. So and also just look good during the trails and everything smooth. Like, I think it was fantastic. But yeah, he's the type of guy you don't have to take off the field. He can cover, he can, he can blitz, he can tackle. He shows really good instincts in terms of like his ability, his ability to quickly

recognize where the play is going and get to get to the ball and get undercut routes, things like that. He's just really, really fun to watch. And then he goes on, does this, the combine. So it's just like checking a lot of boxes. I think he could be the second safety. There's no world in which he goes above banks, probably. But he's probably able to kill the banks or kill the downs are, sorry, yes, I meant, I meant downs. And maybe, is there a chance he goes above downs?

I don't know. I don't probably not, just I think of the athletic thing. But I think safety's going to go higher. This is going to be a whole thing with positional value. But like, the whole thing,

oh, they're not, the idea is that well, quarterbacks get paid $60 million. So you want one because

then you'll have a rookie, all the rookie draft picks are going to get paid mostly the same. So if a ceiling on a $60 million quarterback, if he's good, that's $60 million value at $14 million salary. But if running backs, the highest one gets paid $14 million in Jeremiah Love is really good. You're paying him $14 million. You haven't actually made any surplus value, it's the idea. That's the game within the game. So they're like, well, linebackers and centers,

and you can't take these guys. The flip side that no one talks about is, if you're assuming that the market is perfect. So an example, I think, is Fred Warner from the line, the linebacker from the 49ers. The overall linebacker position is not paid that much. It's an inside linebacker. Fred Warner is a league. It's a game-changing player. You could very easily argue that the Niners having Fred Warner on the inside linebacker salary, that a Fred Warner had ever made the

open market, he might be worth like $30, $35 million a year. He's probably a ticker to below Miles Garrett in terms of what people would pay Fred Warner to be on their team. And the Niners have

“had him for half that. So I think that the thing to remember is, yes, safety's aren't paid that much.”

But they make everyone better. And so if you're able to get a safety,

the back end of that is you're having an elite player and the ceiling you'll never be paid what

he's worth, which is also worth something. So I think you're going to have more safety, more inside linebackers like this on his styles. It's a good linebacker class, tight ends, a lot of these things. I think that it's not as simple as what people make it out to be. I want to go through some other guys that just, there's a lot of guys that just rose in this process. Zachariah branch the receiver from Georgia from USC was the number one, Tyler Brook, who friend of the show covered the

packers for a long time, pointed out that he thinks Zachariah branch is an industry plan. How so? Kind of like, you know, do a leaper or whatever people are like, where does got come from? You're exactly right, branch is just the third strap of so he's five foot nine, 177 pounds. We're going to four, three, five, forty are dash, 96% out for speed. He was the number one high school prospect that's a receiver, five star receiver, and he just USC Georgia the

highlights like the way he moves everything about us is incredible. His name is fucking Zachariah

branch, and then it's like, well, can he play receiver? Unclear. And yet I feel like he's going to be a second round pick. You know what I mean? It's like, I don't know what to do with him. Is he a gadget player or is he like, that is the question. That is decay. It's that time. What's what's

“his comp? Oh, man. That's a good question. The only way I can judge a player. The, uh, well, the”

ultimate like upside-comp would be someone like Tyre Kale. Because there's just not a lot of guys is size. He's five nine, 177, but he's so explosive, moves so well, um, good returner. But the size thing is a big deal. And then obviously, last year at Georgia, if you look at like the distribution of like routes and targets that he had, it was all, you know, behind the line of scrimmage screens, really easy stuff to kind of just get him to ball it space and he wasn't running a ton of

receiver routes? Um, there was some indication that he could do that at USC, but basically at Georgia,

“he just was a gadget guy. So, um, but I think I mean, if you watch him play, it's pretty incredible.”

His speed and explosiveness and just fluidity as an athlete, there's something there that teams are going to take a risk on to kind of see what they can get out of him. The other receiver that I think really went way up is Jeff called, well, the receiver from Cincinnati, who I think was going to be like a third, like a day three pick fifth, six, maybe seven round player, and then he six foot five, two inches, 16 pounds, six foot five, ran a 4, 3, 1, 40 or dash. So again, 100th percent,

six foot five. I keep saying that a lot, but six foot five, and he runs a 4, 3, and that's insane. And then also 99th percent the upper score, which is about explosiveness and it's like he's a real receiver can run

rounds. Um, I think this is a guy that went from the six rounds at the third round, just from the

combine and just is going to be like a fantasy like under the radar guy, where it's like six or five burn or actually has a range. Yeah, there's shades of like the eyes like to sloth thing here, where if you look at Jeff called those tape, there's certainly things that you could like he's a little stiff separation stuff like winning at the catch point, all that stuff is kind of questionable, but when you got a guy who's 65, 260 and you can run a 4, 3, like we could use that

in our offense somehow, kind of figure it out. I don't think he's going to get any higher than the third round probably, but yeah, you're exactly right. He went from being a, you know, UDFA or late round guy to probably being taken for fifth round and someone trying to like figure out what they can do with that ethosism. Uh, the last one here, and then I want to get to some of the personalities. Well, actually, while we're in receivers, I want to talk about Mackay lemon, the receiver

“from USC. Oh, yeah. I think had a good, it's like the only thing people are talking about today.”

I want to maybe use a biggest story of the, of the combine. I want to talk to you about his podium. So this went a little bit viral. Maybe you saw it, maybe you did, but Mackay lemon is your receiver from USC. There's a video of a question as being asked where, you know what, you guys describe it. I'm curious what you guys think. It is rather unique. It is hard to put into words his behavior and kind of physical movement and eye contact and he's like a, it was like he was like

a, he became a snake and like, I actually don't know how to describe it. It kind of looks really interesting. I was like, he was like, he was like, he was like, he's sexually, yeah, like a little, like, yeah, sensual almost. It was very intense. So it's like kind of like doing this. He's like kind of swaying back and forth by the way, I contact. Yeah. I don't know. So by the way, that's what he's talking, you know, that was a weird moment for me.

Because there's like, there's a couple different videos that went around of like a minute, 90 seconds of him talking like that. I was at McCuy Lemons podium the entire time. And it was weird because I think most times the viral videos are kind of out of context. He was like that the entire time. This is in context. Oh, maybe 15 minutes was exactly like that.

“And DK, you have no short-term memory anymore. But do you remember that I came back and I was”

trying to explain it to you and you guys were, you guys, you didn't know what I was trying to say. And then you were, I was just like, no, like, you were like, how was, and I was like, yeah, his vibe was, I just didn't know how to describe it. Can't put your finger on it. Yeah. And I, it was like that the whole time. And I like, like, if he's at lunch with a friend, is he like that? Or dude, I could. I could tell you the purpose of performance. Dude, nervous, stoner, trying to alpha

everybody, trying to be really intense. Maybe I don't, also, should you put him higher on the board? Like, oh, he's a psycho. Or like, could argue, yeah, you could argue. This is either a huge red flag, or actually a green flag. I don't know. Look, it's good for a wide receiver. You need to write receivers by being a little fucking crazy. I think it was, um, all I'll say is I, I noticed it immediately. And it actually was reaffirming to me that everyone who saw videos of it was also like,

what's up with this? Because I came back and I was like, I don't know what to make of this person. This is the thing where it's like, maybe not all press is good press. I don't know what to make of this. I will stop watching of the last six years. He did an interview. I think I imagined it was like either directly before or directly after that podium appearance with, uh, with Chris Sims and Floreo. And it was totally normal. I was like, this is like a normal interview. What happened between this

time, and when he was up on the podium? Oh, so he wasn't behaving the same way? No, it was, it felt like a normal interview. I, I like, I watched that. I would watch that interview and come

out with nothing. The podium is your tough. I get it though. The whole set, we never, I don't know

if you talked about this, the whole set up at the comments fascinating. I don't know, like, we've been, you just have all these podiums or next to each other and it's like, they're kind of raised and then all the reporters kind of gather around and it's like a lot. It's like, I guess he's

kind of, did you, did you talk to the Steelers, did you interview the Steelers? And he's like, yes,

like, did you interview the cops? Yes, and it's like everyone's screaming. I'm like, is that all they

“do is just yell, did you meet with this team? Tell me about the adversity? Was there adversity?”

And it's, how the adversity make you feel? Did it make you better or worse? And it's, it's a strange setup. It's a big way. If it, if it was just nerves, that is one of the more bizarre reactions. I don't know, but he's good. I don't know. It's weird. I, what, what kind of, it was like, bottom line, because you didn't like him as much as I like him. What's your reaction coming up for this? Like, your comfort, confirming, like, why didn't like him or what? No. Again, I,

I think if any play, position group, group should be weird and kind of like an enigma, it should be a wide receiver. So in that regard, I don't think it's a demerit. So if that was like quarterback, I'd be like, I'm not sure about this. Totally. That is true. So, the, you know, it's funny too, so the McIlemon thinks, so he was near Elijah Serrat, the receiver from Indiana. There's a more coverage in your Elijah Serrat. And Elijah Serrat was so different. He was like very charismatic,

very earnest, very like happy to talk. And like, I don't think I told Craig Craig. I don't think, I told DK this. I don't think I told you this. So Elijah, so at one point, they get asked to please read questions. So at one point Elijah Serrat gets asked, what was the first NFL jersey you ever owned? And he goes, I don't know if I owned it. Oh, yeah, no. My first NFL jersey was Michael

Vic. They never kind of puckers a little. And he's like, dude, there we go. He's like, I'm from Virginia,

Michael Vicks from Virginia. I love Michael Vick. He was so fun to watch growing up. He's inspiration. Man, Michael Vick was a dog. And we all just could have used any other word.

“Physically, V. Coil. And I don't you think you had no idea?”

He doesn't think it was about he's Michael Vick's just the fast guy. He eats the salvage. It's the Paul Newman's salvage. Yeah, he was a child. I played. He was like, he was awesome and mad. There's a chance. That madden came out years before he was even bored. I agree with the same time. So I, but that was that was like honestly, the highlight. So that's going on over there to my right and then a guy lemon. So there's just like an auto, but a guy lemon is like,

slivering up. I feel so much less crazy. Now that everyone's locked it on this. I don't think of his like a serpent. You're so right that the eyes locked. It was like that the whole time. The eyes locked. He was serpentine. He was serpentine. His route running is serpentine. Oh, it was like a, it was like a slupper. It was a slupper. It was a slupper. It was a slupper. It was a slupper. It was a slupper. It was a slupper. It was a slupper. It was a slupper. Yeah. I want to go through

some other losers from the podcast. Well, they actually wait. The podium's Diego Pavia, the quarterback from Vanderbilt, the guy who lost the eyes band that went to a club in New York and

posted it as a script story. Basically, fuck for the end of a dozen or whatever. They asked them like,

are you going to chill? He's a crazy guy. He's like, are you going to chill? And he laughed. And Diego Pavia was like, you know, my coach just told me you're, you're front to low. It doesn't

“really finish developing to your 25. He's like, I think I got like a year left till I'm fully baked.”

This is like a Hail Mary defense. He's like, I'm still growing. Exactly. I'm fine. My brain isn't fully developed yet, guys. Thought that was so funny. The other one. I respect it. Yeah. Losers from the combine. I wanted to mention Aaron Glenn, the coach of the jets who in one of the more two relatable things was caught on that they do the camera angle of all the guys in their sweets, watching and Aaron Glenn's asleep. And then he looked like Michael Sarah in Superbad when

he gets caught staring at what's her name's boobs. He kind of wakes up and kind of looks up. That was Aaron Glenn. He's only camera. It actually would have been better if he had not waking up. Like him waking up made it so much worse. I could quite tell you exactly for. Yeah. They need the much. I mean, it was, it was the reaction. You couldn't look down to cold play constantly. Well, that's like, I'm feeling stressed. Yes, it was. He was like, if they would have just like

stayed still, they would have been fine. But it was the reaction that got him. Yes. That happens all the time with Trump. It's like he's Trump asleep in this meeting. And then it's like, well, if you didn't take these eyes could be down, you don't really know. Yeah. Dude, that was funny. Hey, that was, that was, the other, I wanted to throw out one of those. You just put on those really cheesy glasses that have just eyeballs in them. Yeah. It just sit there with those.

Good nose in the mustache. Yeah. The grab child marks. Yeah. The other loser I have here for the combine is objective reality. Mm. Okay. Um, so some of these guys were in a post-truth era. We're in a post-truth era. And it's extended to the

40 or dash. No, no one cares. Pukiniku were ran a four, five, seven. Have you ever thought

“Pukiniku was slow? Like Jackson's with the people on a four, five, two. I'll interject. Some people”

care. They probably shouldn't care. But sure. Brandon being the GM of the bills was on the broadcast with Daniel Jeremiah as a guest in the in the announcing booth. And when Carnell Tate ran a four, five, two, and Brandon being goes, oh, he's so slow. I bet no one should take him for like 19, 20 picks. No one take him. And like no one to be clear. He was joking. Yeah, it's joking. Yeah. Well, yeah, you're right with him. We have to clarify. But they're, Carnell Tate's going to go high.

And then Adam Shepter posts. I, this is Ohio State receiver, Carnell Tate, a potential top 10 pick was timed by several NFL executives in GM's on Saturday with a 40 time in the range of four, four, five to four, four, seven. And then Shepter explains that there's register official times, but teams also do their own hand timing. And those management were much lower than the four, five, two. It is interesting. Do your own timing. Yeah, do your own research. Should we trust the

lasers? Nothing. Or your hand. Combine and do it yourself. Squint and eyeball. And as he passes, this is your thumb, which is perfect as opposed to light. This is like straight up politics. Like agents are realizing that you can just text thought, like, or influencers, essentially, and just make up what everyone. Adam Shepter was carrying water for, uh, was it Rubin Baines, Agent, or whoever Rubin's under 31 insurance or a virus over 32. There's a three inch, there's a

three inch variance by the way that some people measure. So maybe he actually has such long arrives. Like Jesus Christ, not that none of this shit matters. Dude, I, I, I, I, I, to that, I'm just going to read the exact one. Shep, Shep, Shep, Shepter had some context on measurements taken to the week. Measurements sometimes vary for players to that end. At least two NFL teams had Rubin Baines Jr's arms measured north of 32 inches. It's just kind of 31er. He's just

carrying water. But the 40 time one bothers me more because it kept happening where it's like, oh, this guy ran a four, four, six. This laser time thing is actually false. His agent had four, three, eight though. Oh my god, had a four, two. Hmm. You shouldn't even be allowed to hand time the 40. It should only be the laser. There should be no one else allowed to have a stopwatch. And it's so annoying because they're like, well, we have to do it for historical data because

we didn't have the old guys do the hand time. I'm like, you know what, you're right. You're not saying, faultless process where you sit there and just hand time with you are flucking thumb

200 different people like your first. I, I just, you know what, the other thing is just, and this

is to echo something Craig has been saying this whole time is now teams have the GPS data of how fast these guys are running and gaves. None of the shit matters. These guys running track means nothing. Hi, after we spent the entire show talking about why I know. Yeah. Well, I understand that it means generally holistically when you add it to the rest of the events, how athletic a guy is. If he runs a fast 40, that is a factor to wait. What it means is what when Jeff called well is some random

receiver from Cincinnati 65 and once a fourth or three, you're like, I just want to go watch 10 Jeff called well. Yes. Yes. Which is good. But like when the, if you already know a player is good,

“the 40 is irrelevant. But if you want to feel crazy too, just, we have to remember this for our”

produce in two weeks when they get started in the produce that this one is 10 days, Dave Brinkets, Dave Brinkets, Dave Brinkets, Dave Brinkets, Dave Brinkets, Dave Brinkets, they're at the athletic.

It was amazing work. I posted this. So I think he was talking about last year. There were, he's,

Dave Brinkler, so there were 46 offensive linemen who got measured at the combat. Or sorry, no, they're 46 guys went to the combat that were then re-measured at the protein because they go to the protein at the college and they do it at campus and they do all the same stuff. Dave Brinkler said 43 of the 46 guys measured longer arms at their protein than the guy. So just keep that in mind when we get these fucking protein numbers. 43 of the 46 guys

their arms grew. That's incredible. A little bit of like my dad was to another school. I was a legend back at home. Yeah, that's the dumbest thing ever. Could have gone D1, coach didn't hate me. Yeah. DK and either stuff from the combat overall. There's like a lot of guys fast, a lot of guys big. Yeah, I mean, we talked about it already. The arm length stuff with Ruben Bay and Keshe's how

might matter, might not matter. Well, sure to starms for any first run at your

pressure, basically, would be either Ruben Bay or Keshe's howl. But yeah, when we're talking like zero with percentile, that's that's worth talking about, I suppose. Jermon McCoy from Tennessee didn't test, which is a little bit of a red flag because he was, I want to say he was injured. He lasted 24 24. Oh, December. Okay. And he had a, he had an ACL, Jermon McCoy had an ACL surgery in January of 2024. So it was about 13 months ago. And then he didn't run at the combat,

“which is that all in legitimately could push him down a little bit, even though people, I think”

believe he is one of the better corners and it's class like the health thing is a huge issue. And they say he's going to do produce stuff that, would you care about that? Like, is that something where you're like, yeah, like he's coming back from injury, you don't want him to get hurt at the thing, like given the extra months and like let him be good at the prote and then teams get care.

looks fast and explosive, then yeah, that's fine. And then you can look at it. But if he goes out

and he only does two or three things, no cutting, no changing direction, then you're such to be like, also what's what's going on here. Part of me wonders if like the issue also is if you're coming up in ACL tear. When Jermon I love the no name running back runs of 4 through 640. And it's like, um, I can't run anymore. I for my hamstring or whatever. Like everyone knows he's lying so no one even reports it. But if Jermon McCoy is like, oh, I can't finish everything I'm hurt.

“People are like, what? Yeah. So like honestly, that might be it too. They're like, we can't actually”

bow out of anything. Uh, so yeah, the combine, we have, we're the thick of it now. We're going about to like a week from now. We're going to start free agency. That's going to be insane. We're going to cover a ton of free agency and we're going to learn a lot about these teams, right Craig? Going to learn a ton. Uh, and then yeah, like the draft season like really gets going. Combine into free agency and then teams you really see who what teams need what you start to figure out

everything. Did you guys have fun and Indie? How was your Indie experience? How many combines have that was my second combine? What about what was it for you guys? I think I've been

going since 2012 or 2013. So yeah, six or seven for me. Ben to a few. It's always six, seven.

DK, how has it changed? Is it better now? Worst now slower? So when I the first year that I went, the first year or two that I went, it was actually in the stadium. There was a side area in the area where they do all those interviews with the coaches and players. Right now it's in the convention center. Yes, it was in Lucas oil state and a gigantic like the size of a Boeing hangar is where they do the combine now. And when I started it was basically in like a little

room off the concourse of the stadium. So that's very different. There's just more people there,

“obviously. And I think there's just more structure to everything, more like the way that they put”

people through the all the podiums and all that. I think the we couldn't you couldn't get on into the stadium before to watch stuff unless you're part of the Pro Football Riders Association. I think there's there's little things like that that are different. And then also I think just in the years teams and coaches have kind of figured out like what bars to go to to avoid media and in the old days that everybody was kind of in the same place. Like you'd be able to go talk to Sean Payton

or whoever at high velocity, which is in the Cheetah Marriott. And I think that's a little different now. You don't see that quite as often. I agree. I think if four years ago we knew where to go to a bar and there were like 11 head coaches in the bar. Right now it's like, you know, they just go to some private party, you know, they go to some restaurant where they have a private room or something. I mean that's I feel like that's across like like in Hollywood even it's

like back in the day you could go see a celebrity like at a bar having a good time and now it's like there's no shot. They're going to be at a private social club, some private home or something like that. It's probably mainly because of social media. Nobody wants to be called on camera anymore. But yeah, it was the same thing. We were talking about in Indy like there's this bar prime where at night you go and like it used to be. And again, I wasn't there. This is what you guys told me.

Like, you could see Doug Peterson over there, Randy Moss over there and you were just like having beers with your coworkers and that was as coaches and everybody all around media people. And now it's a little bit like, oh, I, there might be one person in this entire bar that I

recognize. The first time I went to that bar you're talking about in Indy like the first year I walk in

“and you know when sometimes you have to like squeeze through to someone like to get past like”

this tight area. And it was like Sean Peyton and the entire Saints coaching staff where the people had to walk through. And then I get there and I like, you know, you're like, there's someone else trying to get a drink too and it's like, you know, to bar and sometimes you're like, oh, who's the bartender going to go to first. And it was me and the other guy was Michael Thomas, who had just had 140 on catches and like one offensive player the year or whatever he did. And then I'm like, his

card is looks so much heavier than my credit card. And it's like, that's the guy at the bar. You look around. And then I'm like, I get my drinks and I go to the like, like, like, you're like running with Mike Thomas is the guy and he's like, it's crazy. Yeah. So it is fun. And you still have that you turn the quarter and Adam's chef just talking to some GM. Like again, like a fear even a few years ago, we got dinner in the table next is Mike Tomlin. That is the fun part of the combat and everything.

But I agree that it's, yeah, that this separation away from the beer mortals is happening. Well, because the nightlife, I feel like I can understand there's private parties, agencies throw parties, things like that. But dinner, I feel like you still can see people at there because there's only so so many like nicer stakeholders there. We went to St. Elmo, which is kind of the famous Dick Cousin Indianapolis. Hi, if it's made to his credit,

because it's hard to get a reservation. In advance, he made four straight nights of reservations for eight at St. Elmo at like seven, 30 every single night. Well, and we went three nights in a row. I Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. People are going to think I'm crazy. Can I defend myself? I don't think you're crazy. I think he was good to do an advance. Oh, good. No one's going to think I'm crazy.

And then we just never fucking updated the plan so that every day at six o'clock, we'd be like,

what are we doing? We're like, oh, right. We only have this one reservations. We cannot have time. Because then also the menu is quite limited actually. It's pretty much like stay. You're having shrimp and then steak. Shrimp steak in cheesy sides. And he's never for dinner. And we're pretty excited. Which is good. On day three, I remember the weather came up and I was like, I can't eat another steak. I'm going to die if I eat a steak. And I was like, I see you have a Caesar salad.

And I see you also sell a chicken breast. I was like, can I get a chicken Caesar salad? He's like, we don't do that.

“And I said, okay. And I was like, well, is the Caesar big enough for an on-chick? Can I just get a Caesar salad?”

And he just looked at me in the eyes and was like, I would not do that if I were to do that. Like, all right, I guess I'll get an a steak. It's like an advance for a place. He fully do. Yeah, he did. My cholesterol's up 50% seriously. My the whatever. What is it? The horseradish sauce? It's just coursing through my veins right now. That was a little bit much. I'm a passenger princess when it comes to restaurant reservations.

I'm just like, I'll go wherever it was. We're just corn decara. Now, lay around and down into you. If I had to quimble, maybe next time we do other restaurants. Yeah, next time we'll try. I appreciate high fosters. Are you okay? I just got wrong piked. I'm going to make it. Is he going to make it? I appreciate high fits looking forward and taking into you know, the initiative on that, but also it's a good look to be like, or it's nice to have. He might be dead.

“Because then he also made it for eight. You got to keep going. But do we need to call 911?”

I don't know. I think he just went to other rock pipe. Who among us? It's very no with that. He just left. But it was good because high fits made it for eight people every night. So it was like, okay, we can like bring our co-workers. We can invite other people from the media. It was like an open invitation every night. So it was like every day when did dinner was like the party planning committee over here. Yeah, we got dinner with McShay and manch one night. Like it was fun. But yeah, I was I was ready to

crank. I hate to tell you this, but the other the other restaurant that we've done historically there is Fogga to Chow, which is just pure meat. Two years ago, so I did the double Fogga to Chow. He went to dinner with us at Fogga to Chow and then just stayed as we left and then went and had Fogga to Chow with other people. He's holding court. So he went from food. So he went from the green card to the red card back to the green. And he was actually

questioning because at Fogga to Chow, I think you just get the all you can eat buffet. And he was like, "Do I need to get another all you can eat buffet?" Or as since I didn't actually leave the restaurant, can I just keep eating? What was your guy's favorite celebrity sighting? And by that I mean like athlete or whatever. Well, I'm going to die again. Is there any people who joined seeing? Hi, I'm starting off this camera. What is going on? I don't know. He's still breathing.

Oh, yeah. I don't know. I don't know what that was. What happened there? I have to go idea. The difference is in our show. And every other show is we're going to show everything. Yeah. That was horrific. Um, that's a good question. Did you laugh at something or was it just wrong pipe? I was so appalled that you got a chicken Caesar salad at Elmos that I just my body. On date three. My body couldn't, but no, my I've revolted. No, I don't know what just happened to me.

Face sighting. I didn't do. Favorite. Oh, big Dom is seeing big Dom is so funny. I don't know why, but so is that's already

seeing big Dom just follow Nick Seriani because like first of all, it implies like if you didn't know

anything about any context about anything, you would kind of assume Nick Seriani was like a mafia leader. Like the the the the the only other. I don't know who else gets followed. Like honestly you know what Big Dom looks like you've ever seen a big messy's body guards are like they're the biggest people in the world are just like the people who like follow Leo like Leonardo messier people. I don't know who else has anyone follow them around like Big Dom. He's got one he's got the Italian chain

on a choker and then a lower Jesus piece below him. He's kind of got like a sweatsuit though. Everything's brand new clothing. It's insane. You don't like anyone I've ever met. I feel like you can't have Big Dom in your employment unless your team is good. Oh, the Brown said Big Dom would be a joke work. Yes. The fans he was walking around

“Big Dom is every year. They go 3 and 13 and 3 and 4 and it doesn't work. You need to be good.”

Yeah. Yeah. What was your what did I miss while I was gone dying? We were just talking about photo to child who is crazy who is your biggest son. That's system. We don't talk if you haven't been

a photo to child. They've never been. Oh my it's unlike any other restaurant. It's like there's always

unwritten rules. So you have to hold up a little card. That has a green or red on. If you they come over and they have like all this crazy meat and you hold up a green if you want more meat. They just bring by meat and just flip your card. Yeah. Yeah. And they shave off some meat for you.

on your plate whenever you want meat it's there at the ready. And the appetizers are like just at a buffet. But then they're coming around with meat constantly. It's it's a crazy system. But we should we should figure out how to have a focal pod. Hmm. What do you mean? I don't know. But the green the I can't tell if the the stop light system is perfect. Yeah. It's like how an Uber is now you can say like I don't want to be spoken to. All right. Yeah. Like which is a

little weird. Yeah. I never hit that but it's weird to think telling the driver like don't talk

to maybe it's helpful. It's like how some people when they get their hair cut some people like the barber to talk to them. Some people don't don't want to chitchat. I don't mind to talk than the chitchat. I also have I've had the same barber for like five years so I know her now. But I do I do kind of get sometimes just want to like unplug it hair cut. Not have to chat about your day. Where are you guys out with that? I never hit I never hit any of the preferences on on Uber.

It's okay to chat me out. Oh, you go to Uber. Yeah. Yeah. I don't I don't have hair cuts anymore. Unfortunately, I'm really jealous of people that have hair cuts because I did like to go and I did like to enjoy or I did enjoy going to get my hair cut before really. Yeah. I love the feeling right after hair cut but like going to a hair cut is a pain. Oh, there's like a certain ASMR thing to

“it. This is something that I think a lot of people have where it's like the buzzer noise next to your”

ears like calming for some reason. I don't know. I like it. My face to websiteing was I remember what we left saying. I don't know. I think it was night two and we were walking on the street as cold and there was this really tall, lanky white guy in front of us and hyphids and I both look to each other and I was like, "Is that fucking Bob Myers?" And he's like, "I think that's Bob Myers." And I like kind of ran alongside of him to catch a profile shot to confirm it was Bob Myers. I love the warriors

for everyone who's in the center. The former GM of the Warriors who's now works for the command. I didn't even know who that was. Yeah. Um, yes, but I was like 95% sure that was Bob Myers. That was cool. He's very tall. We also did the handshake combine, which we'll have soon. We have been discussing for years how men have too many ways to greet one another. And it honestly just came out of every time we saw each other. You do the dab. Sometimes it goes great. Sometimes

it goes terribly. You meet someone new. You shake a lot of hands at the combine. You don't know these people and the dab can go in any direction. So we thought we should put that on camera. So we're going to have come to the theater near you. The handshake combine. Shout out to

“a guy at an injured calendar. Yeah. All right. Any other stuff in the combine?”

Um, the weather was actually nice. Yeah. It was like 25 degrees when we flew in and it was like 60 when we flew out. Hell yeah. Also, I would I would like to just point out give me 10 seconds here to find it. Um, we did an episode with Mench in McShay and on the episode. It was a bonus episode that came out on Friday on the episode. We just talked about if I could throw for 20 yards in and out. Yeah. Are you looking up the pole? We voted on it.

The fans voted. The fans weighed in. The people. The people have spoken. 56% believe I could do it. We, I find there's one person will let settlers. Do you, will you text shot McFay and ask him? I haven't spoken in three years. Maybe I should though. Like a sentence of the video. I mean, like, how busy. How busy could he be? I mean, he would probably respond to me now. He didn't go the combine. He's probably not going to form on the way. Good terms.

I have to, I don't, I hope he's like, you could do the meme where you're like, I, I sent

Sean McFay a text to ask him about this thing. And here's what he said. How'd you get this number?

Leave me alone. The biggest problem is if I send him the clip, he's going to say, why did you say Shanahan could scheme you up to 20 years old? Oh, that's actually very fair. Well, because because I think McFay could scheme you up to 30. That is a great sticky problem. It's like, you said Kyle shed it, get through it, not him. I maybe you just tell him you think you can't. And then he just gives you this detail breakdown of how we do it. They're looking for a backup.

“Craig, if you want to cover all bases, how many yards do you think Cliff could scheme you up for?”

No, no. You're not doing that. No. Okay. Matt, Maggie. Maggie, I'd be dead. First play the game. Cutting past. Yeah. All right. The only email I want to read here is it's text from Roger Sherman or former ringer colleague. Yeah. Right. Right in the show.

And wanted to point out we're talking about Moallie Cox. I mean, mentioned we always talk about

nominated the turtmanism. And we talked about him because Moallie Cox has the largest hands of NFL history. And Roger said, how did you have that whole conversation without mentioning his name is Mo Cox? Fair. God. We really missed that. Is that why he goes by Moallie? You think? Because he could Mo Cox is one hundred million percent. That's why he's a three a full-name guy. Like, you can't just walk around and be like, well, no, his last name is Allie Cox. Yeah.

That's uh, it's the spider in me. I can't believe it was right there. Yeah. So the biggest hands

ever, this guy's name is Mo Cox. So yep. Okay. All right. Thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Cam. Thank you, boo. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, everyone for listening. Email server, your fancy football, gmail.com. What did we ask for? It was like Valentine's ideas, maybe. Oh, it was, it was, it was, yeah, replacing flowers. And what we should sell at our real mannequin store, other than flowers to give us to get your wife that aren't so fricking expensive

and die associated with flowers. Set us those. We should probably just get flower. Real men shop at real mannequin. Also, if the women listening have an idea of what you'd want instead of flowers or can argue why you do want flowers, actually would love to hear it. I mean, we're going to keep buying them.

But like, we're just curious. We're just asking questions here. And then, yeah. So we're, I mean,

next week for agency, we're not going to have their episode this week. And then for agency happens and it's pretty, yeah, it's a lot of players going to change teams. So we're going to learn a lot. There you go. Thank you, Lord. Lord, thank you, polo and pan. Craig's peeps. Nice. Who? We were, we were at the, uh, Marriott lobby before we left for the airport. I think. Yeah. And there was like a French song playing. And I told DK that there's a cool

“French band called polo and pan that I think you would like. And did you listen to him?”

Confirmed, I did. Yeah, I did. They're cool, right? Very cool. The music in the hotel lobby was crazy. I like EDM more than you guys. And it was very loud EDM. It was extremely loud, which I kind of liked. You know what? I got a bone to pick with, with coffee shops. Uh-oh. Okay. Because this might be my age showing. I'm a 31 year old man now. I'm not a, I'm not a young buck. I'm in my, I'm in my, the end of my prime post prime. Still in my prime post prime.

Okay. However, listen, I, morning, sometimes we'll go walk and get coffee. Dude, it's fuck at 8 a.m. 8, 30 in the morning on a Tuesday on a Friday on a Sunday, doesn't matter. And they are blaring EDM music. Or you're going to do a bagel shop at 9 a.m. And they are blaring music. I'm like, one, it doesn't have to be EDM. The kids, the teens will still buy your bagel if you're playing nice normal music. And it also doesn't have to be at a 12 out of 10 on the

volume. Make it normal. Make it more, it would be more enjoyable. There's one place we go do that does a good job. And they play normal music at a normal volume. And it's lovely.

“I think this is a deeper thing than you've been realized because I think one of the biggest”

things that makes a differentiator in service jobs is whether you're allowed to DJ or whether you have to listen to the same ones on that. Because if you've ever worked a job, whatever it is, where you would listen to like the same 12 songs every day, it makes you like 20% more likely to quit any given time. If I hear that Michael McDonald song one more time, I swear to God. It's a Paul Rudd in a 40 year old version. I would rather the coffee shop allow each person working

each it's rotating where each day a different person gets to just have the have ox the entire day. I'd be fine with that just because it's somebody's actual personal and not just EDM for eight hours and it's EDM. Enjoy it. But what kind of EDM, but like what kind of EDM do you hate? I actually liked EDM, but do I want it at 8 a.m. at a coffee shop? This is just too loud for you. Time and place. It's too loud. It's also like not the proper. When you think of waking up in the

“morning and having coffee is EDM, what you associate with that is that the right mood?”

What's the perfect coffee playlist that I don't know. I like smooth jazz. Sure, you could do that. But like play like I don't know. The five, the shit. Play like early maroon five. He wants Teddy Swim. See, once losing control. Place, place, place songs about Jane. I would love to walk into a coffee shop playing songs about Jane. Are we going to play this at real mannequin? You could literally play this song Sunday morning on Sunday morning. That would be lovely. We walk by this one

bagel place. That's very popular. Amazing bagels. It came from New York pop up bagels. Blaring music. Like, what are we doing? That's where I was questioning what Hifus was saying. Is it that store policy to play that? It has to be. Now it has to be. I'm sure that's like a part of their business strategy or something here. Well, is it a chain or is it like a local because the chain is different than I think like a random local. Well, it's now, are you not aware of pop up bagels? It was like a

phenomenon in New York and now they're expanding. Now it rings a bell. They had a little truck with some celebrities in it and I'm really going to sew this Instagram. The first one to open an

LA opened down the street for me. So we go sometimes, but it's just always just blasting like

fucking a VG who I love deeply, but not just rock, you know, not at any time. Time in a place. Who did I see the pop up? It's not even a VG. It's a new crap. The other food thing that I just came to mind

bought really good stuff. Extremely good sandwiches. I got a carrot cake one day for lunch. I didn't eat a whole thing. I got a bunch of cake, cookies, carrot cake is kind of like a case of D if you think

“about it. No. I only had it one time and dessert should be allowed at lunch. I think dessert at lunch is”

crazy. Kind of crazy. It's crazy. And like, you know, in the Shapiro's, if you go to any apples, go to cook, does a cookie count as dessert? I guess it kind of does. Yeah, I'll need a cookie after lunch. You love dessert though. I think you're a dessert menu. People in there are not dessert menu people. I like dessert when I'm away from my home. Same. I don't need dessert when I'm home, but dessert at a restaurant is a delight. Yeah. Yeah, it is. But the, all eat a fucking cookie after

having a sandwich on a chair. I'm actually back in on dessert at lunch. Lunch was crazy, though, because they put the cake first. And we should open the cake at lunch is kind of fucking weird. It's insane. I don't think of a cake because like, there's so many cakes there. That's also an unspoken part of work is when people bring cake in for someone's birthday. But now there's just cake everywhere. And it's like, when can you eat cake 11 and at week 11? That's a holiday food cake. Yeah,

“especially for lunch. Like, I already am not the biggest lunch guide because I think lunch”

bobs you down. I don't know how to feel about your lunch takes. You, you just, you've, we have all both worked at the ringhouse for like 10 years. And I love the ringer, but the ringer office

has never exactly been overwhelmed with the nearby lunch options in walkable areas. Lunch is

amazing. When you're near a good lunch spot that like Shapiro's, imagine if you could walk from the ringer office to Shapiro's in India, you feel differently about lunch. You won't have to take it now. I would have to take it. Exactly. I can't eat that every day. I can't have a but so I can't take it. Hey, it's a reality. It's a reality. You get whatever you want. You can't eat any cake with lunch. Look, I'm American. I can't control myself. I think lunch is right there. It's the first thing

on the, like, you go in this little line and they have a whole, like, display case of everything. The cake is literally the first thing. I, I like lunch foods, but I think that we eat too much

“for lunch. I think you should have breakfast, light snacking in the middle of the day, and then dinner.”

But you also love Mediterranean food and Mediterranean culture. The whole things built around lunch. Not, not the way we live in America. Should we have, should we have Ciestas? Yeah, that would be nice. That's a great. It's a great. Hell yeah. I just think lunch, it's funny. I saw that there was recently an interview in interview magazine with Larry David and his daughter,

and they had a back and forth about lunch. And I've never felt more seen. I, I, I, I just pulled it up.

His daughter, her name is Cazzy. She said lunch is a huge waste of time. And Larry says, Larry says, it's a terrible waste of time. And Cazzy says, ruins the whole day. And then Larry says, it's ridiculous. It's the whole day. And Larry says, it's ridiculous. Look, I think if it's like a weekend, and you want to go out to lunch, you different, it's fine. But like middle of a workday, I'm just hammering like a 15 hundred calories sandwich. I can't do that. What do you eat for lunch,

does snack? Yeah, light stuff. There is almost like an element of day drinking till having like a big lunch. You like actually need to do this. It's more just like, lunch is fine. I'm like, if you get a light salad, that's different than like, hey, let's go get burgers for lunch. I can't do that. I used to get in my old java used to get an entire big burrito from Chipotle. And then I would be in an absolute just fucking coma in the second half of the day. It's definitely

me getting older because I can no longer bounce back from like a heavy meal, a hundred percent. You know what? I was 20. I could have like a cheese steak for lunch and be fine. Now if I had a

cheese steak, I'd be knocked on the couch. And if we never found it sounded sleepy in the show, it's

one of us probably just eight right before the break. He's like the luck of mine. We have like the snakes when they eat something huge that they have to digest it for two weeks, and they don't eat anything else. That was why my Kyleman was like that at the podium. Yeah, it's just serpentine. Yeah. So, look, I like lunch, but you just got to go light. You got to go light lunch. E-mails to bring your fantasy football to you. You've never made it that way for yourself.

Right, because I prefer without DK was trying to convince Manch at dinner. We told him about the KCD of thing. Uh-oh. And then because remember we were talking about Mel Kiper and how he eats pumpkin pie. And when we're talking about how crazy that was, he came to show you like, well, the kind of thing came up because of my KCD of thing. Yes. We're like, what's worse? And we're like, man, that's so crazy. What Mel Kiper does. DK's like, yeah, but it's totally different than what I do.

I'm like eating, I'm eating a pumpkin pie every day. Or just another draft. Yeah, it was leaking at me. He's, you know, Mel starting his day with dessert every day. So it's a whole different. But do you think he, I would love to do Mel Kiper's opinion on lunch after he eats his pumpkin pie from breakfast. He's like, I need something to light. I got to say during the holidays, pumpkin pie from breakfast is fucking awesome. Oh, dude, thanksgiving when you get to see pie at

“whatever time. Oh, my God. Pie, I think, pie, I get older. I appreciate pie more and more. I'm way,”

I'm pie over cake, pie, I'm, I think high level cakes, the ceiling is incredible. But I think most cakes,

I think the average pie, like a store-about pie from a supermarket, whatever. It's just so much better than a cake. I think a homemade pie that is not really hard. Pie is incredible. That's, that's crazy, talk to me. I love pie. Why else, very pie? I think pie maybe should be more common as a breakfast item because I have the shit, like, every pastry is unhealthy. And you can have that for your eating. Nobody can have cakes for syrup syrup. I know it's actually sugar. Like, I can have a blueberry

muffin. That's just fucking cake. Why don't I have a slice of Craig? You are so god. This is, this is, you can, Craig. No, you can't. No, he can do it. Because you know why, breakfast is a bunch of sugar disguised to look like other stuff. It is serious. It's just sugar. It's hiding. It's like, oh, it's like tricks. No, it's fucking sugar. At least cookie crisps has the balls to be like,

“it's just cookies, bitch. Just cookies, muffins. Muffins is breakfast cake. Pancakes is just like”

syrup over-fucking bad cake. And to your point, pie at least is like pie. And pie probably is the same calories and sugar and all this stuff is other stuff. At least there's a goddamn fruit in there. At least an apple pie. Okay, the fruit. Now I'm going to admit something. When I was in vacation all bets are on. It was a pie in any time on vacation. I had a slice of cherry pie for breakfast one morning. And I was totally fine. Do wish I could do this every day. I get what I get

what milk diapers do. God, if you can, if you can live in the life you wake up every day, pie for breakfast. I better start to the day. Yeah, so it's like imagine me eating a bowl of Captain Crunch making fun of milk type of reading pumpkin pie. Yes. I mean, that's true. Some of the breakfasts we get from our listeners are pretty pretty out there. Yeah, I'm like starting my day with a bang energy and a cold slice of pizza and I'm making fun of milk. I'm a pumpkin pie.

He's just ahead of the curve. Wow. Yeah. Respect to you, Mel. Yeah. He meals about lunch and breakfast. And pie. To lunch? These are some strong lunch. I love lunch. Because lunch you can kind of have

dinner stuff and breakfast stuff. But I don't, I don't eat breakfast, so lunch is pretty essential

for me or else I'm really getting hungry. Oh my God. Craig, do you think D.K. loves the case of D is so much 'cause he's just hungry every time he eats it? That's a huge part of it. Like you were full. You wouldn't fucking eat that. Yes. You are technically having a case of D for breakfast because you're breaking your fast with the case of D. Yes, but I'm not doing

“it the time of day that typically eat breakfast. But I think the reason that you love it so much”

is just that you're hungry. Part of me wonders if it anything you would love it. No, this is a hundred percent spot on. It's because I start getting hungry. I'm like 10 o'clock. I'm starting to get hungry. 11 o'clock. I'm pretty hungry. 11 30. I'm like fucking hungry. And the first,

and the first thing I think of, I'm like craving it. I want a case of D.A. And if I was eating

breakfast, case of D would be like, ah, I could eat a case of D.A. I could have sandwich, I could have whatever. Yeah. I'll do like leftovers. I don't feel the need to eat a case of D.A. because I'm just like so hungry. Did you, did you, did you, did you experience withdrawals in Indianapolis five days ago? I actually didn't, I actually didn't. Do you ever think about it? Are you ever like, ah, case of D sounds good right now? Maybe like the third straight day after you're going to

say no, I was like, I could just have a normal thing right now. And I'd be fine. But I've got a porterhouse one night. And it was like 15 pounds. No, Austin, it was a 20 ounce steak. Yeah, we have to call out Austin, Austin ordered the prime rib run night. It was like, I can have baked potato. It was as big as his plate. And then it looked like a bronzer. It truly did. They brought it over and then the cart tipped over. He was dying at the table, couldn't finish his food. And then we

ordered chocolate mousse and cheesecake. He eats that. And then he's like, guys, I'm so sorry, I cannot go out tonight. I'm too full. And he just went home. He was too full day. It's the first time. Yeah, every since we know they couldn't come out there full. He's like, I, I just need to like go home and think about digesting. And that's it. You usually do this automatically, but I actually need to think and help. I focus on digesting for the next three hours. I texted him later. I was like,

I need the big guy. I need you out here. And he's like, like, the little thought bubbles where you texting for like a full minute. And then finally, he was like, I just can't do it. We need a word for when you turn for when you catch someone doing that. Like they just like start writing and then

turn. I'm like, what's he going to say? What's he going to say? I just can't do it. But I actually

“respected it because I saw what he ate. I was like, I get it. Sometimes it is too much. Yeah. And you have to go home.”

Anyway, let's go home right now. Good bye, everyone.

I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry.