Riskiest First-Round Draft Prospects, Ty Simpson Media Hype, Logan Paul Sacked Jalen Hurts in Flag Football, and Candle Scent or Celeb Baby Name

My name is Danny Heifens, and I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Core that can wear going over the riskiest players in the NFL Draft for 2026, D.K. or Draftex, but here the ringer, we're going to go through the players that could be really great, or also suck, like D.K. you go through every single draft every single year, and you're like, "Wow, I remember the everyone told me that guy would be great," and then he sucks. Yeah, it happens a lot, actually, and you can make

the argument that everybody is high risk, high reward, because no one knows what we're talking about.

You know, some guys just end up being a lot better in the pros, some guys suck. You just never really

know, but we try, we try every year. It would be a long show if we just did every single player could be good or bad, so we're going to go with the players who have the highest risk is being really good or really bad. Yeah, but first, I wanted some news, Jackson Smith and Jigba, for D.K. Seattle Seahawks signed a contract extension that they say it's $40 million a year. It's really $30 million a year, but Jackson says Jigba a lot of money for your extension, so he's on a

contract with the Seahawks D.K. for basically $64 years, $30 million more a year. And there's a lot to this. The Seahawks sees it. I want to talk about the high estate where he came from, but I'm curious. I want to start with Craig, if you were just going to start a mad in franchise, like, and how many wide receivers would you take ahead of Jackson Smith and Jigba? I think there's just a top tier and he is, I think it's him, Jamar Chase Pooke and Akua. Probably that's it. Maybe

C.D. Lamb is in there, but I think it's Pooke, Jamar Chase and JSN are in that tier and they're interchangeable to me. What about Justin Jefferson these in there, too, right? Yeah, Justin Jefferson, I would include Swalia. T.K. how as reductive and simplistic as it is to just be like, "Well, this guy's the fourth Mr. Steven football is Jackson Smith and Jigba the fourth best

“Mr. Steven football." Where is he actually rank? I think that's, I think that's about, right?”

Yeah, I think that's about, right? I would probably still put Jamar Chase number one, overall, and that's probably not going to change for me for a long time. Let's he tears his knee

or something crazy. He's just so explosive and so powerful, but Jackson has been the Jigba proved

I think what a lot of people didn't think he could do, which is be a number one receiver, play on both the outside and in the slot, because he was a slot receiver. He was known as a slot receiver coming out of the draft. That was basically what he did for the most part at Ohio State. He did play some outside and it was pretty successful, but for the most part he was a slot guy. And so I think he's shocked a lot of people in terms of what he can be in the NFL. And he's been just an absolute

clutch go to guy for the C-hawks. Every time they need a big play, it felt like he came up with one. I think the thing that Jason, I feel like he's already underrated. I think he doesn't have a physical standout character, Jamar Chase, like St. Quan as a wide receiver, Pukunuku is a psychopath, and Justin Jefferson has kind of a more identifiable body type playmaking style. Jason is kind of just like rock solid, and yet I had him in fantasy this year. The most consistent

elite player in the league last year was JSN. I mean, he was on pace to have 2000 yards from

“most of the season. He was unbelievable, unbelievably consistent. Maybe you have that you have to”

give to the system. Couldn't be a crazy who's gone now, but I don't know. I already think he might be underrated. I think he's amazing. I think he's right though, because it's the extension of what we get to say about a Montenegro St. Brown. We're not even just real life, but even for fantasy, we're all of a Montenegro St. Brown's production should matter more. We are so anchored to what we think of these guys immediately, that it takes forever to adjust. Jermar Chase was supposed to be amazing.

He was amazing. Immediately, Justin Jefferson was the first round pick, but then it was like he was good

almost from the job. Like we two were weak three. I forget when he took off. He was like setting records for most yards in the first X amount of games, or yeah. He was incredibly productive right away. And the fact that JSN was just used as a, like, line of scratches. So funny. He was used as a gadget player. You're one with a Shane R. We live Waldron, which that clip is aging like fine wine. Nothing is age better. You could argue. I love Shane R. We live Waldron. He's like he's a good

person. And remember, he's my Emmy now. Is that right? Where is he? No, he's in Jacksonville. He's in Jacksonville, Florida. The big takeaway for me is, JSN made more like jaw dropping

“plays this year than I think I could have ever imagined him doing. In terms of just like”

shaking guys in coverage, the, and there was actually a play from the 2024 season. I don't know if you guys remember this, but it was like the IQ 1000 player where JSN saw that Jeno Smith was scrambling. So he just ran like a vertical route and was like looking back and holding his hands up like he's going to catch a vertical pass or whatever like a downfield pass. And then his, the guy that was defending him was just playing in really close. And then that allowed Jeno Smith to rot to like

thing smart tougher liable is sort of like what they've always had under John Schneider. He's just,

he embodies all those things. So I'm super stoked to see him get paid. By the way, his contract is pretty team friendly for the Seahawks. He's obviously getting a ton of money and he's moving all his cash payments closer like to basically this year and from going forward. But they have him for six more years and the cap hits don't really start kicking in until 2028 in terms of like really affecting the cap like the cap numbers according to over the cap in 2026 is 10.3 million

in 2027. It's only 15.6 million. So he's a deal for the next two years for the Seahawks.

“You want to reward people who are the model for how you want to play. And so I think the Seahawks”

that guys aren't for Seattle, it's JSN on offense and it's definitely with a spoon and defense. Like if you ask the Seahawks, how should you be a Seahawks that's definitely with their spoon? And I think he's going to get a contract too. Yeah. But I think it's also a slice of humble pie. I'm also mad at myself because I wrote down after that Rose Bowl where Ohio State played Utah and he had like 400 yards. Yeah, JSN. And I wrote down on my notes. I created a note for the

following year like the draft after the draft. I didn't have any notes quite yet on that draft. And I just was like J. Jackson, Sithin, J.B. Maybe the greatest receiver I've ever played. I've ever seen. Don't let people talk you out of this. And then like over the he gets a hamstring straight. It's really play. And then they're like, what is big? What's his trait? His trade is that he's fucking incredible at football. Yeah. And it's not quantifiable with statistics or with athletic

profile and people get lost by the, well, what's the speed? What's the agility? And I'm like, I don't know man. It's like he just is incredible at football at every single point. His body control to me is the big takeaway in terms of when you're trying to to apply lessons of previous years going forward. The big lesson for JSN is like speed is overrated. And this is something that we've

kind of known implicitly, but it always is. It's overrated. In fact, if you look at fantasy production,

it's actually negatively correlates to overall speed. So speed is not the end all be all for receivers. That's something to keep in mind with Cardinal Tate, who ran like a four or five people like, oh, he's not super explosive. But it's more about body control. How they leverage their bodies, you know, relative to the defensive player in terms of like positioning and just a natural feel for catching the football and natural feel for route running. It's a game. It's incredible.

Different. Like it's stupid. What's the game? You'll be able to tell. Is this person struggling to get open because of lack of, who couldn't who is fine? Like it's fine. It's not just speed, though, it's also the ability to change direction. Yes, to be skill and throttle down. It's like accelerating. The NBA combine probably doesn't have a, maybe they do, where you just like, how fast can you dribble a basketball up a court. It's like, that's not really how fast it

will works. It's like how quickly can you get around someone and there's a thousand ways to do it. But it's ultimately comes back to the same handful of skills. It's like how good is your block of charge? How able you to deceive people. If only if only we had dozens and dozens of games we can watch to see if these guys could do that and not just three tests in Indianapolis. I can't wait to then go to the risky guys to talk about a fast nail art because man, these guys are fast.

I want to just also, because it's getting Jackson Smith the jig, but I do think he's a good

“representation of just, sometimes we mark a guy as high floor, not high ceiling, and I think Jackson”

Smith the jig was one of my favorite examples of all time of that, of like, everyone thought to be an NFL player, a few people thought he'd be this, unless you would just not watch football after his, you didn't watch his final season of college, you'd be like, yeah, I'll be this. I want to just note, the Packers took Lucas Van S, 13th overall, a password shouldn't start in college, you now doesn't really start in the NFL. Craig, your Steelers took Roger Jones, 14th,

the tackle that you hate. The jets got him as a note later, by the way. Yeah, the jet. Oh, good. The jets took Wilmick Donald and undersized past wrestlers that they've since traded to the Titans to go back to Robert Sala, and then Washington, the worst of all, took a manual Forbes, the 160 pound corner back over, not only J&C, but they also took them over Christian Gonzalez,

which is incredible. But at the fact that these four players in a row went over Jackson Smith and

J&C, well, it made sense, like now it looks insane, but it also would have been insane when the college football season ended. Only when the college season ended, just like Roger Jones, Lucas Van S, and Wilmick Donald go over J&C. When McDonald's is not the one that they traded to the Titans by the way, but that's irrelevant because your point stands. Oh, yes, sorry. It's your main Johnson was the one. But still, I remember very vividly, I was at the

ringer as headquarters, doing all the draft coverage, you know, night one of the draft, everything's so excited. And J&C just kept inching closer and closer to the Seahawks spot. I remember a high fence here, there was like, looking around, I'm like, there's no way this is going to happen.

“Right? Like, they are going to be able to get J&C and I was so stoked. And I mean, this is, I think”

this is a good example of, you know, hindsight. This is not a hindsight thing. Like, I was super excited to get him. I agree that I didn't think he had maybe elite superstar potential. He was just going to

constantly. And that's, it's one of the biggest takeaways every year from the draft is that, like, they just overthought it. And that is going to be a good segue into kind of what we're talking about today. That's, what a great, what a great segue and overthinking. There, I don't even know how to get into this. But there's been a lot of conversations about Ty Simpson, the quarterback from Alabama this week. Um, I don't know. I do even, I don't even know if we

want to just fan the flames here. But if you, I basically, what's the Danarlov's GDSPN was saying

that Ty Simpson's that I've boarded quarterback. And I don't think that's the case. I will try to be open-minded about all these opinions. But I think that, I don't try to be belating. You're being real careful here. It's fine. Orlovsky basically said that Ty Simpson has made in his asked to throw more NFL type throws in college than Mendoza, who's just like ripping

“RPOs. And that's what Orlovsky was trying to, trying to claim. Look, it's March 24th. We've”

officially reached phase two of the off season. Where, yeah. We make shit up. We're playing flag football. And we're coming up with takes like, like, Ty Simpson's better than Mendoza. And that is where we are. And you know what? Look what's going on right now. We have a week's worth of content. Orlovsky's on McAfee. And everyone's all in a fizzy. Because this is what, this is why the draft should be like February 29th or 28th. That's not a real day. Lisa, if you have to do it up all the

gaps. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, March 1st should be the draft. And everyone will be fine. All the coaches and scouts would revolt. And they would do better in the draft. It was literally just that do better. It should be two weeks after the combine. A week after the combine. By the way, just the whole ESPN sort of content making machine has been great. Because Orlovsky said this Mike Tannenbaum retweeted Orlovsky saying that and said he's heard this from several teams as well.

Orlovsky went on to double down and said he texted 12 to 15 GMs and decision makers this week with the comment. Ty Simpson is the best quarterback in the draft class. And he said only two of them disagreed with him. The funny response for McAfee was like, okay, how many actually responded to

you? You know, but like still, basically this is he's driving this narrative hard. And then I saw

that on they were talking about it on with Mel Kiper and asked him kind of his opinion. He was like, I haven't heard anybody say that. I think it's true. We're just really funny that like, no, I don't know. This is just such a funny, manufactured thing. I can't believe this is actually happening, but it is. So we'll enjoy it. Multiple things are true. We can sit here and be honest and be like, look, nobody really knows about any stuff. It's hard to predict the future. I also know

that if Orlovsky, the first pick you wouldn't fucking take Dyson. Well, he was pretty mighty. He's so he had. So at the end of that clip with Greene, he was like, I think Ty Simpson in the middle of

“the first round is a better pick than Menjose at first. Okay. So that's why didn't you just say that”

the first time, pal, because it's not on first takes. But yeah, this is the real take I want to talk.

This is a question I have. And this is not because of, I wanted to talk about it this episode, because they all blew up this week. But I've been wondering this for like six weeks, because I resolved that the end of the cultural school season to not like Ty Simpson, because I hated how he played down the stretch. My caveat, my asterisk and the stupid thing I'll look back on years from now when Ty Simpson sucks is, do we just throw out the second half of Ty Simpson's season this

year at Alabama? Because it seems like he was hurt. He hurt his back. It is like night and day, this split sort of his completion percentage dropped from like 70 to 60. Half the touchdowns, twice the interceptions after your hurt his back. He had guessed right is, which you don't know why, but it seems like frankly, that's what happens. You take a lot of pain pills. Pain pills are actually steroids. They're for anti-inflammation and that can fuck with the lining of your stomach.

So it couldn't digest anything. So it seems like Ty Simpson lost like 12 pounds during like a few weeks during this season, which when you're an athlete, you lose like 14 pounds during the season. That's a lot of weight. That's not like a normal person. Like that's a lot of weight for a quarter of it to lose in the middle of the year and a handful of days. He was already undersized. Yeah, he's already 6-1. He dropped to 6-1-1-90 in the middle of the year.

So we're going to go through the rickstiest players in the draft, but I want to start with Ty Simpson because DK, the thing I keep wondering, the jets of the second pick, we all think they're going to take our vote risk or defender at number two. And why shouldn't the jets just take Ty Simpson with the second first round pick they have at number 16 overall? I personally don't think so.

“I do think you could make the argument. I think that's a much better process to take them”

with the 16th pick than try and reach and go up early in the draft to get him. That kind of thing. To me, the Ty Simpson argument or whatever, to me is more, you almost want to just take away

You just don't watch him and just look, truthfully, I'm being serious. The case against Simpson

“is not anything you see on tape. It's against his track record and resume as a starting quarterback,”

which is an antithesis and it basically has analytical profile. So first of all, he's undersized. He's already got that working against him. He's like 6-1. What was he to 10 at the comments? I didn't like that. 6-1-2-10. Yeah. And by the way, it started playing crappy. It was when he got hurt and that's like the big worry that you have with undersized quarterbacks is they're going to get hurt more often. It's a big man's game. You're getting hit really fucking hard on that

stomach lining. Yeah. And so his play dropped off a cliff. So number one, he's small, got hurt, his play fell off a cliff. Number two, he's old. He's older than he's 23 years old. That's that can be a good thing if it means that you've had a lot of tears. It can be a good thing if it

means you have a lot of experience under your belt. However, the problem is he's old. He's old with

one year of starting experience. He has 15 total college starts. 15 starts. And this is where the small sample size thing really hurts because look, you can talk about how well he played early in the year, but it's a very small sample. And then he started playing poorly in the back of the end of the year. Very small sample. What do you get from that? I don't know. It's a small sample. It could be anything. It could be a boat. So that, if you look at the history of quarterbacks,

these are some stats I've seen from Dame Brugler and other people around the web. Basically, quarterbacks with 15 or fewer college. He had 15 starts in college. 15 or fewer starts in college in the last 10 years in the first round. Mitch Drabiski, Dwayne Hask in Santy Richardson. Even if you expand it to 10 more games, 25 or fewer starts. So basically, an extra season, almost 25 or fewer starts in college, first round since 2015. The one guy that has turned out really good in the

NFL, like undoubtedly good is Josh Allen. Guess what? He's a freaking alien physically. Exception had proved the role. He is the key most athletic. Like strong arm. He is the prototype you want at quarterback. Also was like almost a disaster. Like for two years.

It was never like no memory holds. Right. And so here. Let me, let me go through these other

ones. I have it's real quick. So 25 starts. Josh Allen and CJ Stroud. We know what's happening with

“CJ Stroud. Like I think the book is still kind of out on him. 24 or less is I wanted to include”

those two guys. So I didn't feel like I was cherry picking 24 or less. Here's the one. Here's the guy. 24 or less starts. Right. Sam Darnold to a Carson Wentz, Justin Fields, Kyler Murray, who might be an exception, but he's moving onto a new team. Tray Lance, Mac Jones, Dwayne Haskin's Mitchell Trubisky. Again, the only guy who's really worked is Josh Allen. And I think you, like, you look at the other ones. Kyler Murray, again, physically outstanding. He's, he's small,

but very, very fast with a very good arm. And then the rest of those guys, I mean, do you want

any of those guys in the first round? Sam Darnold has been on five teams. Well, also, all of these

guys are physically more impressive. Right. Types had something you can like latch on. I would say the only guys that that since then, I would be more impressed by in terms of just physical tools, probably more than to a, and arguably more than Mack Jones. I would quibble. Your list is concerning, and it's a good counter. That's to me, like, that's like before you get into the argument of,

“like, what Tysonson is, that's what I want you to consider. You're betting on a massive”

outlier. So that's fair. I would also say, despite all that, a lot of those guys you picked are were in the top five off the top of the head. I mean, Trimiski was third. Trilians was picked really, you've traded up the crazy amount for third. Anthony Richardson was top five. Josh Allen was like, oh, guys, still Darnold. All these guys went really high. So I'd say, keep that in mind. Number two, Tysonson does have some physical stuff. He's a smaller guy. He's fast. Tysonson's fast,

or at least fast enough. Like, I would say he's kind of like Trimiski in that way, where he has wheels, has an arm. Took forever to start. Trimiski didn't start at UNC forever. And then it's, the funny thing with Tysonson to your point, it took Tysonson like four years to play at Alabama, and if, like, he couldn't start until last year, and I don't know if Tysonson wouldn't start, maybe if he went back, which is a little concerning. Right. I would counter,

quibble with in college in college. They have prospects. They have good. I mean, he would beat out the guy's probably right now. He, he, Tysonson does stuff at the line. My issue was, down the stretch was, he was really hurt, but the mental mistakes were crazy. Like, I thought Tysonson said, like, look, so fragile and everything. And the thing is, if I'm overrating, a hurting was like, I would, I wouldn't take him in the first or second round. Like, Tysonson was so bad

in the games that mattered in the college for a playoff. Like, he was mentally fried, and he's supposed to be like a strength of his, if he's doing more stuff at the offensive line, then other other quarterbacks, maybe, because he was in the same system for so long,

transfer for playing time and the loyalty meant something. I don't know. I have very mixed feelings on him. My question is just, if you're the jets, what's your fucking alternative? And like, that's the thing. It's a way to, way to, way to, don't, don't, if you're in a fucking first rounder on a guy that you don't think is going to work out, you're already the jets. History's working against you, like, tenfold, then don't bet on an outlier. I'm with that. I think the jets pass

“to Jackson, the only thing, the only reason I think, I think instance I can see Tysonson turning”

out to be in above average, starting quarterback in the NFL's landing spot. You can talk me into it if you land with it with the Rams. That's great for him. And he can sit for a couple of years or year two behind Stafford and develop and, and I could see that working out really well for him. If he goes to the jets, no fucking shot, right? Like, there's no chance you would develop and do a study buddy though. Tie, if he goes to the Cardinals, good luck. I'm of the mind that you should

just keep taking shots at quarterback and like Andrew Barry basically said that in the combat. He's like, yeah, I don't have a single problem taking a quarterback every year, which I think there are really like four teams that can realistically take Tysonson in the first round with the potential of him actually starting in the next year or two and being their franchise guy. I think the Rams at 13, the jets at 16, the Steelers at 21, and Cleveland at 24. I think those are all realistic.

Yeah. And all those are all teams that if he goes to, he would fail and Cleveland in the jets.

Part of me is like, we are always so wrong with our quarterback analysis in the NFL drafts

and I'm like, maybe I do want the Steelers to take him at 21. That's kind of what I'm thinking. I'm like, it's close enough that you take a guy and you're like, oh, it's probably going to be bad. Well, you know what the other player you take might be bad, too. Quarterback, it's just so much more important than everything else. And this is the thing we forget during the draft that during the season. It's like, oh, how many players you would trade on your team for a

service of service of quarterback? Well, yeah, I mean, part of me is like, you take the Steelers. If Rogers comes back and Tysonson sits for a year behind Aaron Rogers. He has Mike McCarthy, who, you know, is a good quarterback's coach and it has made it work with good quarterback. I'm like, this is the, I would not be upset at the process, even if Tysonson ends up being a fucking disaster. I'm like, the idea and the process of that is not bad.

So I just got to ESPN alert. Craig Coralbeck says, uh, I already started complimenting Mike McCarthy loves the higher. So hot takes season. Look, the process of taking Roger Jones by Omar Khan made sense. I'm not going to be upset at taking shots at tackles. Not going to be upset at taking shots at

quarterback. I fully acknowledged Craig that we're usually wrong on this. We're always wrong.

So I just take this guy. But no, but to me, it's like the history. You're betting on an outlier.

“I think you're more, which part of the outlier, which part of the outlier, which part concerns you”

more? It's not him being small. It's that he needed four years to play. He couldn't beat out. Uh, it's small. Uh, and then also he only has 15 starts, which is a really, really, really, really, I mean, I mean, to be honest with you, looking at this, I mean, Josh, of of the guys with 25 or less starts, Josh Allen, CG Stroud, Sam Darnold, Kyler Murray, I take all those right now. Mac Jones, I take all five of them on this deal is right now.

You had a chance. You can go get Mac Jones, you know, probably for less than their first shot. I would welcome Mac Jones. That's a fair question. Just give the nine in a second for me. I'd rather have Mac Jones. You at least he has some experience in the NFL. Okay. So let's go through the rest of the risky players here Craig. You want to take us through yeah. I want to go the next guy here is a guy near and dear to my heart who is my favorite

wider silver prospect in this year's draft is Jordan Tyson out of Arizona State D. K. The funny thing with Tyson's in is with when a player's risky, the idea is that there should be a high reward. There should be a great reward. See, that's kind of what I was trying to get at.

“You know, I think it's like the the risk is is the floor, but but the reward with Tyson's in is like”

he's serviceable with Jordan Tyson. I think it's a little different where the risk you can get into a little bit, but at least the upside the reward is there for Jordan Tyson, right? Yes. To me, the reward, Tyson and I said this before he has I think the highest ceiling of the receivers in this class, but I also think he is maybe the lowest floor guy in terms of just there's a lot of ways that it might not work out. Are there or is it mainly just health to you?

Like if he had never gotten hurt, is there really a terrible floor? I think to me it's more than just

the health thing. The health is the big thing. That's the biggest variable. He's been hurt every season. The last like four years. He's got Jordan Tyson yet and he's coming into this draft process hurt again. His hamstring is hurt so we can't work out. I'm just saying this is we're talking about risky players. I view this guy's a risk because of injury situation. However, it's more than just injuries. And the reason I have him, I think as my widers you are four in this class,

is I just kind of and I think that this is a very true thing. People just have types when it comes to receivers that they like certain types of guys over different like profiles. And I just saw too many

boxed out by corners kind of like just didn't win at the catch point in terms of using play strength to overpower smaller corners. And I know that this is like a strong word and has connotations and I'm not trying to do that. But like there were times where I felt like he played soft. And I didn't I don't like that. It's just like kind of an ache for me. He might turn out to be an

amazing player. I think his upside case is like Garrett Wilson. I've seen a Mark Cooper thrown out

there. I'll even throw out like a really, really high upside case like a Devontae Adam site player. That's where the quickness, the route running, the size, all that stuff comes into play. But to me, I just saw him get pushed off to and he routes and it just kind of annoyed me.

“And that's why I pushed him down ever so slightly. Again, he's still in first round for me.”

He's I'd still would be excited to see him on my team. But if we're ranking these guys, that's just where I put him. He also has really short arms would be in six foot two. He does. 30 in a quarter inch ours, which is 11th percentile for receivers. And his own terms are really small. Well, it's about the catch radius because it's the combination of all those things. He gets open very shortly. That's quick. But it's a combination of he doesn't have the elite speed down

the field. But with decays saying short arms, but it's the we also got a Kiwi column soft

to proud of you decay. But like the wheat, the wheat, you know, that's right. Himes Ward coach, this guy in college, how dare you call him? He's lying to work. I want to see it a little more on the field then. I was reading a little bit about my guy, Jordan Tyson. I learned a lot of scouts who say he is quite tough. The game against Texas Techness had he hurt both hamstring, stayed in the game and closed the game out. I don't know.

I will check yourself out. I did. I was watching that game and he was like riding on the ground. Yes, oh my god. This guy's like a, it was like a few plays later. It was like when the Scataboo was like from the garbage can between the quarter breaks and then he just like ran 70 yards. Also, the reports are going to be like cares about football. Like he like is taking the time to learn about the game and and watch him prove and all that stuff. And just I want to be clear that

it's not like a dislike. You hate him. You hate him. You hate him. You think he's a soft. You think he

“soft? You have to take side to fast. He shouldn't be on the field. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do want to”

just lay a little groundwork for Jordan Tyson. So he's young. He's 21 years old still. 22 over the off season. He's athleticism since saying it's quite just that his brothers on the Cleveland Cavaliers. So like there's crazy athleticism to decays point. We don't we can't measure the athleticism because Jordan Tyson did not do combine or proteo workouts because he was hurt and he's hurt again. So just to recap the injury stuff because it sounds vague. Torres ACL, MCL and PCL at the end of

2022 at Colorado. So he transferred missed all 2023 at Arizona State and then broke his collar bone in 2024 and then he pulled his hamstring in 2025, which is like whatever in the hamstring. That he seems to have maybe tweaked his hamstring again because he's not doing the proteo work or he's not he didn't run like that kind of stuff the protee. But then did the bench press and almost broke the receiver record for bench press? Short arms with what? That's kind of why

they grew and they did the bench press. He's not a T-Rex. I think guys 11 percent don't do the bench

because they don't want to be known in the lines. And so the but I will say it was kind of like why is he why didn't he work so hard at the bench press? I'm like well he pulled his hamstring. You can't do like feeling muscle that's healthy right now. So I will say that's a lot. It's a lot of injuries. Like that's a full knee reconstruction basically in 2022 then the collar bone thing is a freak thing. Yeah, one the collar bone I could care less. That's a freaking injury. I can't happen anybody.

Hamstrings okay I still would not be concerned about that. And in the knee don't like quadriple knee injury ACL MCL PCL. My counter to that was like he was fucking like we've already seen him look

“fucking awesome. Yes, the injury. No question. That's a big deal there. So I think that let's let's”

stay for a moment the Jordan Tyson stays healthy because it's not fun to be like well he could get hurt. I think the question stick you can tell she's going to be healthy for for for for a decade. Jordan Tyson probably is the most upside of any of the receivers. Like his ceiling of how good he becomes. You mentioned Devonti Adams like I've seen Stefan digs like there's a lot of like he could be really great and he's not necessarily yards after the catch creator but he just gets

open man. I think this buddy his body control his footwear like very quick feet very twitchy for his size which I which I absolutely love and again I would make this super stratosphere compound in Devonti Adams for him if I didn't actually like him. But these are these are the worries that we're talking about. But Devonti Adams like Josh Allen sucked for two years and fans come over to him. Devonti Adams couldn't catch for two years and like not couldn't catch but Devonti Adams

everyone thought Devonti Adams was like not going to make it in the NFL for a really like a year and a half into his career. People thought Devonti Adams was a huge miss by eBay. I think Jordan Tyson it's not exactly the same with the hands but I think that for a player as acrobatic and athletic

they care Jordan Tyson's hands he's ability to receive the football. Would you call it a strength?

“Yeah I think his hands are good because he he's like one of those guys that has some incredible”

highlight real catches but I think the consistency needs to improve pretty dramatically in the NFL. But what I wanted to do is not the kemp of the whole studio. The master by tag leaptor Bücher soft behind the internet and so master's really great. I say you can say you can do that back. Yeah you mine's from a steuer upset, huh? But you don't trust me. Egal, zauber word, "falust" for a track. Make the game just a bit like this steuer and when

they then are working, he says catching. That's right. Save, like this steuer. Hold it, then go to hell. Now it costs a lot to try. Okay, well then let's I want to go on the next guy, because he's guys also very fascinating. Can you on CD? Can tie that out of Oregon. DK. I would like for my for my basic drog with that brain. Give me some worst case best. Trogmaxic, yeah. I'm trogmax me here a little bit.

Give me can you on CD? Worst case, best case. Yeah, so what do you want first? Best case or worst case?

What do you like? How do you like to do it? Okay. So worst case for me, the city thing a worst case scenario is an Eric Ebron slash Noah fan type player where everyone gets super enamored with the physical talent which is very clear. I mean he's truthfully one of the most athletic tight ends we've ever seen in terms of his comp mind testing. Rano 43 jumped out of the jump. Like one of the highest jumps. He would have made more history if a stowers hadn't kind of mocked him or whatever on in the jumping

ability. But yeah, Eric Ebron type guy where Ebron didn't really do anything until the second

“contract. He was a huge disappointment. I think teams didn't really know how to use him well.”

No fan. I could I think it's kind of in the same boat where it's like guys who flash offensively everyone's in a while and that's kind of it. You start to kind of get enamored with the types of explosive plays they can create but then you forget about everything else. It's the guy dunking in warmups. Wow, you can win Mill. Yeah, but then so I think there is a fear for me with City where we're overating the athletic traits and then I think underrating or not paying enough

attention to like how he's going to be how he's going to be deployed on the field. If a coach is going to trust him to be a true tight end or is he going to be like a tight end too type guy kind of like Isaiah like Lee's been relegated to tight end two duties for for most of his career even though there's flashes are incredible. I'm worried that'll be what kind of what happens with City. And so this is more of just like a fantasy question is is he ever going to be a big time producer

because the you know in his college career was never a big time producer. In fact, his best season

was last year. It was 560 yards and eight touchdowns. His yards per outrun. Very middleing 1.62 yards per outrun. When you compare that to some of the other top to your tight ends that have come into the league over the last couple of years it's very low. So you know and that's really only one year of production. So his production profile leaves you wanting and basically what

“you're hoping is the athleticism will translate to the next level, which it could. It honestly”

absolutely could. But I think there is a you're going to have to pay a lot to find out if it will. You know what I mean? You might be better off just signing him to a second contract. Hi, Fitzgerald smiling. I agree with a lot of things to get said. I would take a move further. I mean, I think he's I think the Vernon Davis upside thing is probably the right comparison. It's like his upside and I. So yeah, that was my best case. It's like a Vernon Davis.

I originally compliment to Samuel Porto because they're about the same size. I think you can utilize him as a blocker. But he's not like a lead blocker? Yes. So I will, I agree with what you're saying. I just think it's nothing against Kenny and City because I think Kenny's to take again coming out of Oregon. He's clearly the best tight end in his class. Although I think we might look back a year from now and say that actually this Jamar Johnson is like the other tight end of Oregon

probably coming out next year. Probably better than Kenny's to take. Yeah. But I think Kenny's to think definitely the best tight end in this class. The reason I think he deserves to be on this riskiest players thing is do you know how many athletic tight ends with kind of meager production have come and gone and like we just memory hole and like City did catch stuff at Oregon? Like I think he led that we're getting catches last year. I think he had the second most yards. He

led Oregon in receiving touchdowns like he didn't do nothing. But he had like half of the catches the Tyler Warren did last year. You know what I mean? I guess two seasons ago. I mean, it is when we talk about like there's been good tight ends recently that have produced, but they've been a lead at something. Calpets had the first tight end in a thousand yards, but he was like the best tight end prospects since whenever. Brock Bowers is great. But he was also

like as good of a prospect on the most incredible Georgia teams you ever saw. Brock Bowers was

like the best player in the team. Tyler Warren had like basically the most catches ever for it. He like led the country. He did everything for that game. Yes. And it's like okay like this is like

catches I believe in a game by a tight end was Tyler Warren. Harold fan and even last year. He was good. He's come for a receiver. He led all of Calpets football in yards per rep run. Like something that was exceptional in terms of production for most of these guys. City is probably more exciting for the athleticism. Tight ends of mystery box position.

It's the joke so like what I always say from family guy where like do you want a boat or the

mystery box? It's like well the boat? The mystery box can be anything. It can even be a boat. And you look at the fast guys. We'll critique as the fastest 40 yard dash. It's for an end Davis. And he has all this and it's like, but he didn't run any of the agility drills. Like he didn't run any agility drills. This is all speed jumping, explosiveness, but no, no, three, none of that stuff, which is one thing for me. And it's just like DK mentioned no

a fan who was probably a better overall athlete, but like a less willing blocker. But no effect was also a first round pick out of Iowa, which was a tight-end factory. Like kind of

“that did nothing. Eric Keeps. Same year as the TJ Hawkins. Same here as Hawkinson. And like I think”

same team too. City is a willing blocker. I don't think his techniques very good. He can manhandle guys who aren't defensive line in college. I think City will have to eventually learn the technique to be linebackers in the NFL. I think the part of me is like, you know, no offense. A good example. Remember, OJ Howard, like who's six, six, three inches taller, he ran a four, five. He tore his Achilles, but it was four years into his career. Like he wasn't that good.

So I look at City because of a guy that I wouldn't be shocked if he's in all pro, but to DK's point is he going to like, lead four years to really come into himself. And then he'll be good at 26 because that to me is the risk of a first round tight-end is with the exception of like four guys in the last five years. Very few tight-ends are good in the first three years of their career. But you need tight-ends right now in the NFL. So I think we'll go on. I think yeah, this is

such a cop out, but it really does matter where he lands and how to utilize him. I know that that's like not helpful, but I think we did our mock-lass week, we put him on the Niners. Yeah.

“But you have to be like Miles Garrett for that to not be true. Yeah. Right. It's like, yeah,”

guys go to bad teams. They're probably going to be worse. If you had never seen him shirtless

and had never seen him run and jump DK and you just watched the tape, would you feel differently about him? No, I think I'd feel the same. I do like him a lot. I think the upside like we've talked about is insane. I think he shows the burst. I think he shows the speed on tape. The explosive plays are there. And he's a beast at the catch point. I think one kind of knock on him is he has a bunch of drops. I would say that's a little bit overplayed. He had six drops

a quarter of PFF last year, which is not astralomical, but not nothing. Yeah. But he, to me, had enough plays where he was mossing dudes in the end zone, kind of deal that I'm like, this guy can catch a ball. He just needs to be a little bit more consistent. But to me, yeah, he's the blocking stuff. He tries really hard. He wants to talk to people up. Yeah, he's not some, you know, just I want to be a glorified receiver. He's not like that. And that's kind of why I comped him to

Samelport is because like he can get the job done. He's probably going to get overpowered by a big defensive end. But he can get the job done in space if they want to use him in the

screen game, if they want to use him as like a second level block guy. He's not, he's a bad blocker.

The board is not respected as a blocker. I think the, but he plays most of the snaps is the big deal. And he's the tight end one on that team. So that's kind of the big question with Cityik is will he be the number one tight end on your team and play 70 plus percent of snaps. But to steal a post from underdog fantasy, Kenyan Cityik is the same 40 times Jonathan Taylor, the same broad jump. It's that's Bryant higher vertical than Vince Carter. And then the same top speed on his 40's junior

“gives. Yeah, that's what that's the thing. Adam control. But again, I wonder how many tight ends.”

I mean, I, there's no tight ends that probably hit those marks. But how many tight ends in the last 10 years have we seen come close to that? And more than you think. And like, you're like, can you, oh, cool. Can you jump that high and then catch a ball? Someone's kicking the shit out of you. Oh, no. It turns out no. Cool. All right. Let's go to some other positions here. Let's move on to tackle offensive tackle. Couple guys we want to get to. We'll start with Spencer Fano at a Utah

DK. Why is he a risky pick for you? So high fins. I were talking about this a bunch of lines. Basically, everything that we were talking about last year with Will Campbell has seemingly not been discussed with Spencer Fano or Fano this year with regards to the arm length. Now, I recognize that Will Campbell was viewed as a left tackle. And that's a big difference between of Fano who is more like a right tackle. He says what he played mostly at Utah. But the arm length

is an issue. And you know, I think even though his arms magically grew going from the combine to the pro day, or what was it? Is that what it was? He got like his arms grew like a, yeah, his arms, it's cool. His arms grew almost a full inch from the combine to the pro day. He's like a great cool. Yeah. Yeah. He's stretched like now. Yeah. But I mean, the question remains like does

it to take him on the top five, which is basically where he's being projected, most of the time,

top ten at least when you have this, the pronounce lack of length because tackles in the NFL,

“34 inch, 35 inch, 36 inch arms. I think it's obvious why the arm length thing matters in the pros.”

Like just in terms of it's, we talk about this all the time. It's a game of inches. But you're going up against guys that are the best athletes on the field. And having that extra reach can help slow guys up on the outside. It can give you a little bit more leeway. It just gives you more room for error. I think in terms of what you're doing with your feet and all that. So if you think an extra inch gives you, it gives you a bigger margin for error. You think an extra inch should

see makes a big difference. You just have to be less skilled if you have that extra inch, you know? Yeah. You can't just rely on talent. So yeah, I do. I do think. But I'll give you a little bit hard. You say hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. And I'm working hard. So I do don't worry about it. I'll give you some examples. Here's best case worst case time deals with guys who have around 33 in charms. So some of the best examples of offensive tackles in the

pros of the last like 10, 15 years with sub 34 in charms. Penny's tool of the lions who it doesn't matter. God damn like I haven't seen it matter one time in his career that he has like sub 34 in charms. He's awesome. He's just an ass kicker. And then Rechance later was another guy who some people thought should move to guard when he got to the pros. But he's just such a smooth mover.

“So athletic. I think those are kind of Spencer Fono is like that too in terms of if he's just a”

really smooth mover athletic. And I don't really think the lack of arm length is going to be a massive

difference for him. I want to back up from the arm length for a second and then I want to get

way too deep into it. But I want to Spencer Fono. He played a lot of football. He played three seasons. He played like over 37 starts or something. He's good. One of the outland trophy. Right. It's like the, you know, first team of American. So like Spencer Fono like had a great career as a tackle, as a right tackle. Athletically, he checks all the boxes of like he is good enough to play tackle in the NFL. The question is, is the arms are the second percentile. So as in Craig 98% of

people play tack or have gone to the combine of larger arms than him. And also his hands are small. He's the Kenny Pickett baby hands. Spencer Fono's hands are really nine inches wide, which is also like second percentile like tackles. But here's the weird part. Arms are two, second percentile. Wing span is 20th percentile because his chest is broader than will Campbell. And then you could also. So not only is his chest longer, you could argue that he's not

standing small. His little baby hands. But who cares? You're got baby hands. You got a grab stuff in hold without being called. But you could argue if you're talking about the hinge. Really measuring from the wrist. If your hands are so small, he's probably gaining an inch. You know, you think about it. But I'm really getting granular. I just can't believe the way they measure these fucking things. The NFL team's really give us shit about the measure the shit to the

eighth of an inch. And then they don't even measure guys. They can't agree on where the back meat begins of the arm length. They're going to fall in meat. They can't agree where the base is. And then meanwhile, they measure hands from thumb to pinky. How does that fucking help? I can't believe you're sitting there. And it's like you wouldn't even think to go middle finger to wrist. It's I know that cost me a couple inches would make sure. I don't know how I'd hand. That's so stupid.

It's like as if you only grab you're they're treating your hand like it's a one-dimensional object like it's a straight line as opposed to the shape of a hand. Why? Anyway, the perfect example of why this is important. And also means nothing. Yes, the important means nothing.

“It's stupid. It's like, yeah, it's like you need to pat beat the most athletic people in the world”

at defensive end to win. It's an offensive tackle. Also, I kind of think Spencer Fano is going to be good. But he's the Ruben Bane. We'll gamble of this year at offensive tackle. And it's like he could run the Browns at six. He could fall because teams think he's a fucking center. So then let's go to the opposite side of the spectrum. But stay at offensive tackle with Monroe Freeling at a Georgia. Who's a big boy? Oh, yeah. 67, 34 and 3/4 in charms. Big ol' hands. DKY is he risky.

Because he's inexperienced. This is going back to the thing. The lack of starts in the college

game. I think he had 18 total starts. So basically a year in change as a starter. And so that

kind of worries you a little bit. I think he's another guy that needs to get a little bit stronger as he gets into the pros. This is a betting on upside and betting on the frame and athleticism and overall talent. He's built like you want a left tackle loop. And he moves like a left tackle should move. But I think is he ready to start day one? That is the question. Is he strong enough to hold up on less side from day one? It's going to depend on which team is looking at him and what they decide.

But I mean, yeah, to me, he's just kind of high variance because the lack of experience and you're betting on traits. And you're probably going to have to pay up for those traits. Because he's been moving up all the draft force that I've seen in terms of mock drafts and things like that. And high fits. You talked about this on our mock draft show the other day. And I'm starting to believe it more and more. There's going to be a run on tackles early in this class because

they're just no good guys in the second round. So that could mean freely and goes in the top 10.

necessarily seen it quite enough on tapioves. That makes sense. So he's like the comp I made

form is called Miller, the tackle for the Raiders who kind of was the same in the same boat where it was just like awesome athlete. He moves different. He's built perfectly for the left tackle spot. And hopefully we can develop him. And he turned out great. But the worst case in Craig. Sorry for this. But it reminds me somewhat of the talk around brother Jones when he came out where it was like this guy super athletic like basketball movement skills. Great length. All that

“stuff. He just hasn't really paned out. Which type of risk looking at Spencer Fano and Monroe Freely?”

Are you more likely to be comfortable taking? I think I would be more comfortable with the Spencer Fano type risk where I've seen him play very good football before. If my job is on the line, probably that. Take the guy who played well and maybe has measurements that aren't what you would like rather than the guy who passes all the physical tests, but the experience and the on field stuff is a little bit more up in here. Right. I don't mind taking him on a row freely.

I like Spencer Fano. I mean, I like him both to be clear. Yeah. I get why certain teams, especially this is why we thought the Eagles losing Jeff Stoutland was such a big deal. The offensive line guy for the Eagles because you if you're the Eagles, you take Monroe Freely because you're low. Jeff Stoutland can teach them. If you have an offensive line coach that you think is dependable and is going to be able to mold the guy then you're like, yeah, if he could be like

a Taylor Luan or something, then yeah, I want to really great left tackle or really great right tackle. So I'm okay with the ball of clay. So that's the thing. It's like you're all right. It's like, well, what departments are going to? How do we feel about it? Like the Freely? Freelying to be clear is one of the best athletes who's ever seen a tackle. He's six seven. He's three 15 and he ran a four nine 40 or dash, not that offensive. Let me jump 33 inches. It's just the like that's crazy.

“The idea that a 350 pound person can jump 33 inches is insane. He's a great athlete and I think a”

lot of coaches will look at that and be like, I can make him into an all pro and they might be able to okay, I'm speaking of physical outliers. Let's go to add your usher here, Ruben Bane Jr on a Miami decay best case. I want to I want to start with the best case for Ruben Bane because I feel like there's a lot of negativity around his short alarms. So give me the best case for for Ruben Bane in your eyes. So Ruben Bane his arms are what 30 inches and change one of the short like 30% out 31 inches anyway. He's the third

shortest arms of any player to go to the combine since 1990, but the point is those were drafted. Ruben Bane will buy four of the shortest arms of anybody taking it. The best case scenario is you get a player like Mike Parsons who has 31 inch arms like an elite addressor. A guy that can he just

wins because he's more powerful, more explosive, plays harder, more vicious, you know, just a

like explosive, hard nose guy who's just going to wear down offensive tackles. I think some more realistic comps and Craig, I know you hate these because like this is what I did with all the receivers or I'm like, you just tell me a bunch of like number two receivers and I found how Mike's supposed to get excited about this. Well, this is the type of draft for in, but like some more

“realistic cases, I think for Ruben Bane are Melvin and Grum, who had 58 career sex, he was a good player.”

Kyle Van Noy, who had very short arms. He was an outlier with short arms. He had 57 career sex and check Barrett. These are all guys that I found that had really short arms, but I ended up having good career, check Barrett, who had 59 career sex. He actually led the NFL in Saxon 2019. I think those are more realistic. In terms of upside comps, you're not going to get Mike of Parsons, probably. Mike of Parsons is a very rare player, but a guy who can come in and be just a productive

adressor for you. I can see that and I think it's realistic for Ruben Bane. Okay, and then what's your worst case? Worst case. Again, I'm picking on you a little bit here. Guy like Jarvis Jones. My god. How do the Steelers manage? He just picked the only shitty players on Georgia. No, right. Jarvis Jones, I think this is a little, it's not a one-to-one comparison clearly because Jarvis Jones was a horrific athlete. He just wasn't very athletic.

That was like, why are you taking him in the first round? Everybody at the time knew it was a bad pick and then he had six sex and four years. Bane is not an elite athlete by defensive end standards. He didn't do any tests together. Might be protein. He did drills. But Ruben Bane did not do testing. But Ruben Bane on tape, I believe, like when you watch

you're like, oh my god, that guy's explosive. He's like, he's powerful. Yeah. Ruben Bane,

honestly, Craig, you got to do the Bane impression. Bane from Batman? Yeah. What do you want me to say? You got to be like, "Oh, what are those of the records brother?" I'm Gotham's reckoning. You do that. Do the dark. You were, I was bored in the dark. I was bored in the dark. I was bored in the dark. But Ruben Bane, he is like a villain when he's

It makes sense. It makes sense. It makes sense. Like a fucking badass. Bane is sick. But I mean, just, I mean, look, Ruben Bane, if you didn't know the arm thing about him,

I feel like I never would have noticed. Like, I heard about it midseason and I've had it.

I wouldn't have noticed, honestly, because he just wins every goddamn rep. He never gives up. But like, I just feel like when you watch my Emmy, the tip of the top competition, like, it doesn't have to, I don't really give a shit when they beat up on like North Carolina A&T. And no offense if anyone went to North Carolina A&T, listen to the show. But like, I don't care. It's like, when you play the Ohio State, he's kind of kicking the shit out of tackles and guards in the

Ohio State. Like, oh, Indiana. Ruben Bane wrecked the first half of the of the championship. Like, Ruben Bane was like, just like, like, the whole Indiana offensive line. They had a co-lesser on getting the ball away from Ruben Bane. Like, he's just a wrecker. I just look at Ruben Bane. And I'm like, I am, it a weird way. I get why you don't want to bet an outlier. And I get how it's weird to bet on an outlier and be like, okay, well, he's the shortest arms ever. These thresholds

exist for a reason. I get why you might not want to put your career on the top ten pick from. But in a weird way, I think Ruben Bane is a high floor, because I think the worst case for Ruben Bane is he's like the tackle version of where they're like, well, maybe he's a guard. He might not be a defensive end, which there's five, there's all these weird words to use. But like, he's probably a three tech, which in normal people speak is like, a defensive guard. Like, he's

probably like an undersized defensive. You're rushing against guards. Yeah. Yes. And like, he's at the very least, Ruben Bane is such a high floor at run defense. And I think that like he's, he, the

“the arm like the only thing if they get your arms on you. But his hand movement, his arsenal's”

technique is like, so developed. He has so many moves. And they're so refined. Like, he has the, you know, he tries to do a version, everyone wants to do like the vondil or ghost move. Mentors talk about he's got the hot move from Reggie White, but he just has a lot of moves and counters kind of like John Wick. I think it's like to just really distill it down what you're saying right now. And I totally resonates with me is like, the arm like doesn't matter because guys can't

get their hands on him because he's so violent with his hands. You know what I mean? Exactly. Um, and they're so short. Like they can't even get rid of you. Yeah. But that is a real thing. Like, they're doing huge hits you. Like these guys are up there. They're doing judo karate. Whatever

you want to call it. Like, it's hand fighting. And also, again, I always feel weird,

dishings that as a compliment. But Rubin bait, he plays violently. He's very violent. Like, he, it's a physical game. And he is one of the most physical people on the field. He, yeah, Vince Lombardi is like, it's not a context sport. It's a collision sport. Rubin been fucking collides with people. Like, he is, that he is the person inflicting everything. Like, even when did you stuns? He's destroying guards. Like, when he have to do all this stuff.

“So I, I think Rubin, if the worst thing that happens is he's not an elite pass for the”

way you think of him. But he will be able to play defensive end. He'll probably be able to kick into three tech. You can move around. He will hold his own and run defensive. Maybe he's not elite pass, right? Sure. But like, he will be in the NFL. I think he will be in the NFL at eight to 10 years. Like, I'd be surprised if that didn't happen. Just for some context, he led the country in pressures according to PFF. Yeah. The production, the production's outstanding. And that, I think

it must be kind of stated. And fathically, here, it's not just like, you know, he's explosive and any assurance. Like, he was producing very, very consistently. It would be fascinating if we were

able to like hire a draft analyst who could only watch college football in the second season.

And if we just locked him in the basement. And he can't listen to anything. All he can do is watch tape of the season. And then he has to build his rankings off that. And then just reemerge on draft night. I would love if that happens. That's a Rubin thing. You know what's funny is, it's probably what that's what Mel Kuyper should be. Mel Kuyper's probably not in the internet. Get him down in the basement with unlimited pumpkin pie. And then he'll come back in late April. You know,

I do think it should be said. And this is like just the nature of the draft business and and sort of the NFL, the transition from college to the NFL. And I've heard Dame Brewer say this. Like, some people are going to have a key message or hire on their draft boards than Bane. Well, let's get into him. Because of the army. Yeah. He's 25 years old. So give, give me his kind of brief rundown and why you consider him to be risky. I mean, truthfully, the biggest

“thing and the only thing that I don't like about his profile is he's going to be a 25-year-old rookie.”

And, you know, that is a big red flag. You don't see very many guys coming to the NFL as 25-year-old. Basically, I was a 25-year-old intern at the ringer. Did you know that? Sure. Yeah, but you're one of one, Craig. Actually, I thought that's not true. It was 24. That's a good difference. And I have long arms, so I feel like I don't know if I kind of made up for it anymore. It's not just 25-year-old rookie. It's a key message or it's a 25-year-old rookie with, I believe, issues with both feet.

Yeah, and that's the other thing is, also, like, he's already got gout. He's got, he's got the king's disease. He's got gout. No, I don't know. What's wrong with his knee? Eric's feet. Craig has turf toe. So, yeah, it's what old people get with their feet. You know, he's probably got bunions. You got to get those things shaved off. Dude, bunions. Have you guys ever gotten a pedicure? No. No. I got a pedicure last year, and it's insane, because they kind of, like, the first time

really, it's like a cheese grater, and they just graze stuff off of it. And it's like this pile of mozzarella looking at you. Oh, my god. A little pile. All right. This is making me nauseous. I didn't like the way you started to a pile of mozzarella. Wow. You should get a little more than the bugger conversation. Let's move on. Yeah. I, I, I, I, is, that's my outlier. I don't know if I want to bet on because I think a key message or a classic like a team that the Tampa Bay bucket

here is a perfect for key message work, because Todd Bowles is super gonna get fired if they don't take them, or if they don't have a good past rush or this year, if you have like some ball clay that isn't going to develop for three or four years, and that's not on your timeline at

“Todd Bowles is one of the older coaches, and you need to pass rush. It's like, go get a key message”

work. He can contribute right now. Yeah. Exactly. He's, we might have been better than, but he,

he had an incredible season. I'm just like, but if you're like the, if you're a team that's

looking at a longer horizon, and you're like, all right, it was 25. So if he signs the second contract to be 30, so like the odds that you're bringing him back on one of those fat free agency contracts is like, let's be honest, little low. I rarely think about that, but 25 is extreme. 25 with, I, I believe he had surgery at least one foot, but I think it's both. I could be wrong about that, and it's, I, that's the one where I'm like, I'm concerned by this, and I don't want to, that's the kind of thing in the

first round I might want to avoid. Yeah. The very bullish version of this is that he's just Jared verse. And Jared verse actually kind of is a good comp, because I think verses just so intense, explosive, just brings massive amount of power and burst off the edge, and I think that's kind of what you're getting with the keymaster. Jared verse was 24 at the draft, turned 25 during his rookie season. So he was a little bit younger, but not by a lot, you know what I mean? It's pretty close.

“I think I think a keymaster or turns 25 in April. So he's maybe like six years or six months”

older than than verse or whatever it is at the time of the draft. So that's the good case, but the

bad case is basically he's already maxed out with his development. He was so successful because

he's going up against guys. 25. Three or four years younger. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to say it again. So in that matters, because if you look at, this is like the perfect example talking about Monroe Freely who's still sort of developing and lifting weights and getting bigger and whatever, like learning how to keep weight on and all that, and then like you got the keymaster or who's like a full grown man with a mortgage and four kids. No, I don't have any kids, if you have any kids,

but you know, it's like that is a huge difference. And so that's kind of the worry there and there's just like not a long, there's not a strong track record of 25-year-old rookie past wrestlers coming in, especially early round rookie past wrestlers coming in and being good. Let's talk about Arville Rhys now, which I was surprised that you put him on this list. This is a guy who's widely projected to be a top two or three pick in the draft this year. Why is he considered one of the riskiest

players to take in the draft? I think he's just interesting because he is kind of a tweener. You know, based on the fact that he basically split time between off-ball linebacker and past rusher. As a past rusher, he has electric athleticism, speed, burst, balance, power. The traits are all there, but honestly, like the only risk I see is like if an NFL team kind of screws it up with him because I think he has a talent to be a superstar. You know, you got like a

Josh Hines Allen slash again, Micah Parsons type player where he did get what team could possibly take our Valreys and screw him up? The cardinals come to mind. Who's going to take them or the

“jets? Oh, the jets, the near jets? Yeah. I do think that's why I wanted to mention him. I wanted”

to take our Valreys and Ty Simpsons and just fucking both of them. Exactly. But I get, I don't know what they do. There's no, look, our Valreys to be clear is one of the coolest

players in the whole draft, like he is an incredible, like everything about him. I'm not actually

worried about him. I'm just worried about deployment and how teams are going to maximize him. But if we're being honest, a lot of players, and the reason I wanted to bring him up is there's nothing specifically a part of the list that's concerning. Nothing. Right. What's concerning is how many players that we had zero doubts about their ability have not been very good. And like I'm not just talking about like Kyle Pitz. If you look at a good example, it's like Chase Young,

another guy from Ohio State that was probably more of a prototypical defense event, zero as much as a Bosa. Yeah. He was like that Bosa line. And it's like it was like Joey Bosa, Chase Young, Nick, both like all these guys from credible. Chase Young's fine. Like he's on the Saints now. He's probably the Saints best adressure, but like Washington let him go and like he had some injuries, but also he wasn't that good in Washington. He was kind of, he's got overrated.

And I think that you can look back. There's a lot of guy, it's sneakily like all these guys that are like no doubt kind of hit more like two or three times three out of four, then it's like a hundred percent. And if we're being honest, anyone who I could genuinely play two positions has a risk of being screwed up by the team. Yeah. I think actually our vote Reese's highest upside is as a line back or defensive and hybrid. I think that's like defensive player of the year category,

because if like the C-Ox got our vote Reese, I think he would genuinely be defensive player the year

now trying to do like positionless defense could put him anywhere. The true answer is the safer thing is to kind of stick him as a pass-rusher and let him be and like let him drop sometimes, but like he's a pass-rusher and like eventually can like be a free end. You know instead of the DN kind of move over and do the mouse care at my Kaparsans, I'll pretend to do a cross-up dribble over the center of something. But like the reason I wanted to talk about him is just the idea that

it's not crazy to me to think that the jets are going to take our vote Reese at number two. And then Aaron Glenn's going to get fired at the end of the season. And then like they're going to bring everyone else in. Yeah. And then the higher different coach, the different defense with a different vision. And so whatever Aaron Glenn teaches our vote Reese, let's just say they want to make him a normal defense event. That's fine. And then like a new coach is like no, our vote Reese,

like they pitching what he Johnson gets on. And then they're like having him gain weight and then this way. Yes, exactly to kiddo him. Yes, you know, you know the emotional toll it takes, emotional toll. If you add, this is what the cow, I mean, Mozi Smith is not to see it with Dallas, but one of the reasons Mozi Smith, who was like the top. They didn't know what to do with him. He kept having to wait, gain 10, lose 20, gain 20. If you ask players, it's, that's not like normal

people. It is so hard to gain 20 pounds of fucking muscle and maintain it during an NFL season. It's like so hard. That. So then the next coach from Aaron Glenn is he going to be good.

“Well, if he gets fired and the new coach comes in and is like, oh, is it linebacker to you?”

I'm like, gain the weight back. And it's, do you naturally is the answer? So Aaron Glenn was a defensive minded coach. I mean, do you not trust that he would be able to to get the best out of our goal Reese? I think he's going to be fired and a new coach will be there next year. Yeah. And I'm like that's the same dot coach for it. It's the organization screws the play up because there's a different person with different, it's like any other company where it's like

this goal matters, this metric matters. Nope, that metric matters and people are like, it's just like this slow, that Jeff basis is talked about this at Amazon, where he's like, someone told him, you have, you have just enough ideas to kill this company because Jeff basis was like not spacing. He was giving too many ideas at the same time and that everyone was like scrambling trying to make everything happen. Not that the chips are Jeff basis and Amazon, but it's more like

if the next set coach, the jet tire after Aaron Glenn sucks and then he gets fired, is there a chance or a vote Reese is not actually known what position to develop at? And again, I know I'm kind of extrapolating here, but like pull up any draft you want and you will find somebody

“that we said with lock, no doubt is going to be great. That is like kind of math and like you should”

go to bad teams. You know, kind of, this is not like a one-to-one company thing, but it kind of reminded me a little bit of it. It is Leonard Floyd, who was a top ten pick for the bears back in 2016.

And the talent was always, you know, super apparent. He was very athletic, tall, long,

and versatile type of guy, but it just didn't feel like the bears ever really figured out exactly how to make him into a star and then they ended up moving on from him and he came over to the Rams and, you know, playing on a line with Aaron Donald and some other guys, he was able to kind of flourish, but it just kind of didn't feel like they ever had the right plan for him to turn him into a superstar that he could have been early on in his career. And it's obviously very different

type, not the same type of players exactly, but it just kind of reminds me of where when you have a quote unquote tweener type player and he's the definition of one because he played two positions in college. I think that's just like a little bit worried so much. How is he going to be deployed by the coaches? I kind of think Marvel, he should be a linebacker. Yeah, and the fact that we're even like there is a discussion because he's good at both spies, you know, he's one of the best tackling

prospects. Ali Connelly, who is a great sub-stack, but he was like a linebacker scout, said that Marvel, he's got the highest grade. He's ever given a player for tackling. Which stood out to me from someone who's trained as a leadbacker scout. I mean, he's so talented. So I'm not, I'm personally not

“like worried about him, but I'm worried that you have to fuck him. The NFL does this with some guys.”

Like it just kind of crazy how they don't really know how a good plan, even though you take him so high in the draft. Sometimes that happens. Yeah. Okay. Are there any other guys you want to

hit DK? There's a couple injured guys who might basically if they're healthy, you think that they will

people, teams will reap the benefits like your modem of joy and attention to see the quarterback of Caleb Banks at a floor to the defensive tackle. Yeah. I think that all injury-based, like if they can stay healthy, you think they'll be huge values? Yeah. So I think so, Jermon McCoy, he got, I think he tore his ACL last January. So it's been over a year. Still not working out. Did not work out it as at the combine, which was a surprise to a lot of people. And so now they're sort of like this

question is he healthy, what are you getting in your one? Is he going to be able to play your one? I think if he had worked out the combine and done well ran really fast and did everything he was supposed to do, he's probably like a top 15 pick, maybe even higher. But now, I don't know what, like obviously it's up to teams in different medical, you know, staffs have different opinions on guys. This is we saw this with Max Crosby. So who knows where he'll go now. There's a chance he goes into the

late part of the first round. Maybe he even falls further. We always see guys fall because of injury,

so awesome and he's falling, falling, falling, falling. That could be McCoy this year. And then instead of Michigan, it was probably going to be the highest ticket quarterback. Yeah, you went in the second round, right? Yeah, second round injuries. And Caleb Banks is another very fascinating one because we'll look at the combine before he got hurt. He broke his foot at the

“combine, I believe. That's all you need to say. No one's taking it. But it's bad. Before he broke his foot,”

he was doing incredible shit. Like he was one of the most athletic big men we've seen in a really long time. But he was hurt for most of the twenty twenty five season and then he got hurt at the combat. Well, what? So how did he have during the season? He had a foot injury. Yeah. So this is a huge worry with a guy who's like, you know, 360 pounds or whatever. It's 350 pounds. When those feet,

you have feet injuries, that's always a massive concern. Your 360 pounds is, yeah, so you hurt your

foot multiple times. Like that's bad because even then you're leading on your other leg and it's like the, it's a lot of, yeah. But if he can be healthy, if he can say healthier, get healthy and stay healthy, you know, the sky is the limit with that guy because he showed you the length and explosiveness and athleticism, movement skills. It's very scintillating for any team, but it's going to be a huge risk because you just might, you know, never be healthy. All right. So those are the riskiest players

in this year's draft. What else is going on? You guys watching March Madness?

“A little bit. Not a lot. Is your bracket busted? Here's the thing. No one's brackets are busted anymore,”

because there's no Cinderella's anymore. And that's the side truths of March Madness. We've, in the last two years, there's no Cinderella's. This year, the sweet 16, every team is from a power. That's not true. Floor at a loss. I'm ending champions, one seed lost in the second round. That's still a big deal. By Cinderella, I usually meet a mid major, small schools. Iowa is not a powerhouse basketball school, but they are a power conference school. There is not one mid major

team in the sweet 16. It's all about the success. It does feel like it nails. And this is for the second straight year. Two years in a row, only power conferences in this year. It does feel like the way that mid majors used to win. It was just having experience and just the same group of guys there for a long time. Five great white dudes on which Utah State, you've been playing together for four straight years who take down Kentucky. Now, the second and notice a guy's good,

he'll go get paid to play at like Texas A&M or something like that. However, what you sacrifice in the first two rounds, you all, you make up for and like the elite A in the year. Yeah, and a four because the guys are good. Now, you get like St. John's against Duke, which is cool. I do want to shout out though the Iowa game to Iowa to beat Florida. Yeah. That's shot that Iowa made a three. Yeah. To take, they were down to and they took a three to beat Florida.

And I thought it was, it was like a picture perfect recreation of like the Ray Allen shot with the heat where he just backpedaled perfectly into. There's not that much space there. It almost looks bigger on TV. The space in the corner of the three point line, the fairly clear foot in. What do you

“also do? And you have to remember these guys feet are fucking huge. Yeah. It's funny to think.”

They are likely feet. We always joke about whether like, we're like, oh, Craig's how to take.

You see things he can make three of five threes in an NBA game if you got the, if he was one. He's like, they wouldn't cover me. He can make three for five. The funniest part is kind of the same way if could I hit a fastball at Major League Baseball. The really answers, you'd probably just fucking duck. Like, he wouldn't swing. He would actually just like, like, like, flinch and like try not like, like, look scared. Most people could even take the shot. You would just step out of bounds

because it's such a small space. Yeah. But I couldn't believe how I was seamless. That was great shot. Also the, the follow-up played close to the game by Florida was terrible. Oh, that, that's a, we should rank maybe over the off season sports X basketball teams when you have a chance to tie a win, not getting a shot up is really high. Also, I got, the other really interesting game, the St. John's Kansas game, which came down to the wire was fascinating. I haven't seen this in a

long time. I don't know if I've seen a team have this many fouls to give. Kansas had four fouls to give St. John's and there was 15 seconds left in the game. Oh, wow. It's tied. St. John says the ball and can't just basically had to like waste two seconds foul St. John's. But don't look them, you know, try to get a shot off because then we would obviously get to shoot free throws. So Bill self and kids did actually a fantastic job of like strategically burning two or three

seconds off the clock and fouling and they got it all the way down to like two and a half three seconds left and still St. John's got to the hole in the game when he left. So it was like perfect play from the fouling standpoint from Kansas and St. John's still one. I was an interesting job. Can we talk about the big white dude for St. Louis? What's seven foot not? Oh, no, you're talking about oh, I thought you're talking about the Florida guy who's seven foot nine. You're talking

about. You're talking about, you're talking about a cream of Doolgeobar cream of Doolgeobar cream cream of Doolgeobar also magic the gathering Johnson some of the few ones. So many good ones. The St. Gillis Alexander St. Gillis. Some of the names are so fucking good for this guy. He's

got incredible passing talent. I got to say. Yeah, his name is Robbie Avila. Yeah, I just

three that was like this man has the greatest 12 points five assists highlight I've seen in my life and you watch him and he's a fucking magician out there. Cream Abdulgeobar. By the way, I want to point out. I'm in first place in our bracket. What? No, if you go look at it, check it out. It's out of the

the 7,000 people 99th percentile. You'll never be able to prove. It's not me. Are you serious? It's

someone named Danny Kelly. Oh, you're long cheeky little bastard. It's not actually nobody else. Oh, someone named Danny Kelly. Yeah, you make it. Thank you for that. You're making me look good 99th percentile bracket right now is five hundred and six points. This bracket. He's got Duke winning it all. You can check me at rank out of their 7,950 in the one that I joined. I know that we had two. But I am 5,456. I'm not doing so great. Dude, my dad once had a 99.9 percentile bracket.

I've never heard of it. I've never heard the end of it. So, yeah, Danny Kelly. Number one in the ringer bracket. No big deal. Thank you. Never for joining. Yeah. Wow, that's crazy. My bracket's fucked. I had Florida. Hello, we did talk about it. It's so funny. It's Florida scored a 144 in the

first round. I'd never seen it. College basketball team score 144 points. I don't think. And so they put

“all over the 7 foot 9 guy and meet my friends. Honestly, instead of really locking it on the”

games, we kind of just talked about that guy being 7 foot 9 for like half an hour. He's came up with nickname for this incredible. You see the photo of him in Tracy Wilson. He's like two feet taller than Tracy Wilson. Dude, there was a photo of him next to a six eight guy. It looked like he's stunned. He was like, he was like, you big boy. Shout out to everybody who joined our bracket by the way. We got 8,000 people, which is pre-sick. My team is in the 43%ile. 43rd? 43rd. Mine's in the 35th. So I feel pretty good about

it. This is the worst bracket I've ever had. I'm 22 million. Which is funny because you could have just picked all the favorites and it wouldn't have been pretty much fine. It was a reminder that March Manus was like fantasy football. I picked high point because I liked that the kid dance to this election show. And 20 minutes before the game started, I changed it to Wisconsin because it was like, you can't pick a kid because he danced on the show. And then you know what? I showed it because they

“was. You can't. You know what? I got to remember that. Like don't don't bring it else. Don't”

don't let facts get in the way you're feeling when you're feeling it. I'm going to bracket. Did you guys see that the Falcon signed Brian Robinson? So now that I have brilliant. They have P. John Robinson and Brian Robinson who only have one letter difference in the remaining. There's a J swapped for an R. That is the only letter difference in their first last name. One letter. Oh my god. So you're going to see B Robinson at L now and millions of people are going to get

this route. P. John, I'm going to have to change the name play to like B.I. Or are they going to care? They're going to have to do something. Yeah. Even an R and an I with the certain fonts don't look that different. I don't know. Why would the Falcon's care? I don't think the matters to that. I don't know. They might not. I just wish they don't want. Total confusion. The numbers are going to. They got numbers for a reason. No one's like reading the last name on the team.

I, this is going to be great. We got great emails one year from this guy who had drafted

“Brian Robinson by accident over B. John Robinson because I think on Yahoo, we're saying it said B dot”

Robinson. Yeah. And then everyone made fun of it relentlessly. And then like eight weeks and he was like eight no because Brian Robinson was doing so well or something and B John was playing. He had outscored B John, I think. And yeah, I, this is just, that's really funny. Also him replacing color energy or is just like whether we, they have a tight. Yeah. The only, one of the peace and news, I want to talk with Slack football game. The first thing, I just want to mention La Fontaine

David, the bucks linebackers retiring. And I wanted to acknowledge him because I think La Fontaine David is the best player I ever saw play football that is completely, wholly unfamous. Yeah, it's not really in the discussion a lot from La Fontaine. La Fontaine David is the ratio of how good he was in how good his career was. How famous he is. This is the biggest Delta. If he's a, he's a Hall of Famer. I think he's Hall of Famer. I think he's Hall of Famer. He was

in the jets. If La Fontaine David was on the Cowboys, he would be electric. I mean, he made the old decade team from 2010 to 2020. That's a real last team. Look, pull up the old decade teams.

Those things are legit. And then there are a couple stats that I thought were amazing. I hadn't

my notes from years ago, but through his first eight seasons, the only players in NFL history through eight years that had a thousand tackles, 20, Sachs and 10 newceptions are Ray Lewis and La Fontaine David. Yeah, like incredible career. Also, only played on one team, bucks. One of the last one team guys, one stuck around a shitty bucks team. And then one of Super Bowl and Tom Brady came and then they had that good defense for a long time. And I also wanted to note, he has to be

at this one. La Fontaine David is one of just three players to have 40 Sachs and 35 takeaways in their career. The only other guys do that are Ray Lewis and Brian or Lacker. We're just Hall

Derek Brooks is Hall of Famer for the bucks. Ray Lewis is Hall of Famer. Junior Sayers is Hall of Famer. Bobby Wagner will probably be a Hall of Famer. Zack Tom is Hall of Famer in the London

Fletcher. So yeah, La Fontaine David cool career. We never talked about him. He's a perfect, he's a

good guy to talk about during the draft process because he's one of the sort of all-time examples of don't look at the measurables or the athleticism. Just look at how fucking good he is at football. Because he came out of Nebraska. My dad's a huge Nebraska fan. And I just remember at the time like he's just he's not that big. He's 61233 coming out of coming out of college and didn't run all that fast. Like he was just kind of an average athlete. But he just had

the most insane rare instincts that you've ever seen. He's just always around the ball. Always

“knew exactly where the ball was going. Just an absolute natural playmaker. And I think he's kind of”

just one of the all-time sort of examples of that. Like sometimes the, I mean, he was a late second rounder. And I think it's mostly because of the size and the speed limitations. A good lesson for us all. Take line backers who when they hit people, the people go backward. He's so freaking natural. He's just instinctive. Yeah. Speaking of size and speed limitations, dude, watching the flag football, fanatics, championship thing. You watched it today, correct? I haven't wait. I watched two games.

Okay. Give us the, give us the scouting report on what happened. So, first, first laid out what

happened. NFL players got their asses kicked. Yeah, there are three teams. It's like the, the team USA team, the team that's going to be in the Olympics we think, which is like the guys who actually do this for a living versus two teams that were comprised of mostly NFL players. And then like influencers, like Logan Paul, who's mostly NFL though. It was like one team at Tom Brady, the team at Borough, like stuff on digs was there, like, Miller was there. It's better than that.

I mean, the team that made the championship quote unquote against the team USA was Joe Burrow, Jane Daniels Devontat, I'm say, Juan Barclay. Do you want your Hopkins, O'Dell, and Kyle use Jack? Like that. And then the defense was like, Luke Keeke Lee, Jalen, Ramsey Harrison Smith, and then Logan Paul. But yeah, this is the whole thing. It's like five on five flag football to promote the Olympics in two years. Well, and it was supposed to be in Saudi Arabia because it was

bananas, getting a check from Saudi Arabia. And then obviously, they're not able to go there right now. Right. So it was in LA. It was not where the soccer stadium in LA. Team USA kicked a shoot out of the NFL players. The flag football players who were all five foot

“four or five foot five. Honestly, that guy, remember that quarterback Keeke, that was like,”

I'm better for flight football for America. I would represent America better than Patrick Momson's flag football. Yeah. And I got to tell you, we have made full. Don't go back and listen to our podcast when we just go. We made so much fun. Don't you guys? We, we, we owe them an apology. Like the shack to Christian Woody's like, I apologize. I was not familiar with your game. Yeah. Do some of the shit that they're doing on the field reminds me of the laser guy from

Oceans of 12 or whatever. Yeah. He's they're like going through a laser field. The way they're moving is so funny. The nice rocks. Yeah. My thoughts. I think I was just named the French guys. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, look, it's, it's, it's two ways. Basically,

yeah. The, the flag football guys know how to play flag football and our trained, their body types are completely different. They're all like skinny, skinny, and they, they're basically dancing out there. The way they're, they're break dance fighting. The way they,

“like, can, like, their hips can avoid getting flag pulled is very unique. And then you have, like,”

brute NFL players are just like running into people. With that said, I don't know. If, if, if you gave that line up, I just listed two years to practice and learn the rules. I still would, we'd be do this. I mean, the championship game, the burrow team lost the team. You say it was like 24, 14. Well, they didn't get a stop. The, the, the, the, the five football team, they scored like every position in all three games. They did, they did. But I don't know. Part of me is like,

these, these NFL players just showed up. They barely know the rules. They have no ski burrows drawn up place on his hand. Like Terry Bradshaw in the 70s. Like they were making shit up. It was the other team. No, no, they were not completely making shit up. Sean Payton and Tom Brady's team had a wristband with 40 plays and Sean Payton's on a headset calling in plays to Tom Brady. Like he's like, hold on, hold on. I got to get little, little Jordan Humphrey out here.

Burrow, hold on. In the majority of the game, Burrow is like huddling everybody together. He's like, okay, Devante, you're going to do. You go deep. Say, say, Juan, you're going to do the curl right. I was making shit up. And then the flag football team was like, flash, flash. And they're like, wait, who's the flash? Like flash, hybrid X. And then they're like, we do it. That's crazy. They have two quarterbacks. And so they're throwing, and it makes so much sense. They're playing like a potato.

It actually looked like, um, you ever seen like whims across. They've got a shot clock. They're going to kill the clock. Like they're just like having a lateral on either say, I end to the field. And so if they're pastures, you get some, they just lobbed over. And they have all these three guys down field, but two quarterbacks playing predicate. And the moment they all rushed, then the quarterbacks just take so off. They were like quite literally running circles around these guys.

all miced up. So he runs by and he was like, he gone. Like he dead. Like it was like,

actually, they were bare Luke Katelyn was cooked. It looked like, it looked like people

“trying to chase chickens. He was, he was like, here's the thing. Mike the headless chicken.”

I think it's easy to say, well, it's a different sport. They're built to hit people. Sure. Yeah, I know. And I agree with Craig, like the, if all these NFL players took it seriously in train for a year, they would be better sure. I was still shocked by the degree to which these men absolutely fucking dominated the NFL players. Like it was so uncompetitive, Tom Brady had that one cool highlight just to find days in the quarter. They couldn't do anything.

Again, they couldn't stop up on day. They could not move the, like it was cool. I was actually a little shocked. And I mean, that's the Olympics is you know what? We have a problem, boys,

because we should not send the cool NFL players to Olympics. We should send these guys.

But the NFL is going to want the players of the Olympics, because the goal is not to win for the NFL. It's not to win a gold medal in flag football. The goal is to get the NFL popular in other countries by putting Joe Perone Patrick loans on their television. And after watching this, I'm like, we send out full players. We're going to fucking lose. Do you see Joe Perone's getting like hit hard a couple times? Oh, I don't think God, no, John. I feel like

teams are going to put a, put a, like, they're going to mix this going forward. They're like,

“no, you can't go out there. Perone took hits, because here's the thing, one that the injury risk,”

grunk, grunk was trying to cut them. Grunk, then the edges of the, they had real grass, but the edges were at official turf. So then he got, he fell down, then he got up and put his leg onto the artificial turf and slipped. And he plays fine. The real, I, I think the real take away from this though, Tom Brady can still play. Well, that too. He could. He can sign up. No, get him back out here. Jalen Hurts was horrible. Oh, yeah. I got to tell you, I have in the officers, I got

a huge argument. One of my friends, this is a show Sean. We, he's a huge Eagles fan. And he, he actually could have been like a legit college football offensive lineman, but he had like, he had like a back coach didn't put him in, but we have huge arguments about Jalen Hurts. And then at the end of this, I, the, the, the fanatics game happens. And I just start setting them all these fucking clips of Jalen Hurts. One getting sack by the flag football guys. How many ticks did he throw?

One picks six, but worse. He got sacked by Logan Paul. That's that. Did you see, Jalen Hurts gets sacked by Logan Paul? I did. I will say, Jalen Hurts, I think made the best throw of the entire tournament to Devontate Smith, which was very, very good. Okay. Just saying, he was sacked point that out. I'm just saying, you look, I actually was amazed to see it in like, like distilled form. Jalen Hurts has so little wiggle in the pocket. Yeah. I, I just, I, I, I suppose the worst

sport for him. It really showcases his like, like stiff hips. You know what, you got to be able to run in the money for a rush. Push, push. Dude, Tom Brady was so much more limber than Jalen Hurts. It was so conservative. Brady also had like, like, the, like, the wrist playbook. He was out there really dialed in. Burrow was kind of out there like winging it. Burr, Brady was fucking dialed.

“And they lost. Brady will Brady want he doesn't have anything to do. This is the only thing he's got.”

You know what he made? It's like, this is Burrow actually has this season of Brady. It's like, this is his last shot. And you know what was tough for Brady? Brady's out there playing, right? Which means, you know, because this is on Fox. You know, who's announcing Burr cart KB, but with Greg Olson. Oh, no. And they were great together. Olson was really good in lockdown. What? What is Fox doing? They took it kind of seriously, like, Olson and Burr cart were having fun,

but they were also like, like, leaning in and pretending like this is a real game and like, giving analysis, they actually like taught you the rules pretty, pretty smartly. And I was just like, man is better than Brady in case it's horrible. What is this, like, fucking? What's that show? Or they just, it's like a bachelor at show or whatever, but it's like way more spicy. There's a bunch of them. Oh, my, probably. Yeah, love. It's like a love island. It's like a love island.

Oh, a bomb show here. People pairing people. I mean, shouldn't be pairing together. There's too much sexual chemistry over here. Dude, it really was because Brady treated the game like his, well, like he was really prepared, but Greg Olson, as he came out firing. And he was just like, yeah, so just to remind everyone, so it's like 50 yard field, 25 of the midfield that the H team starts to run five and he was like, the difference. I'm not really sure of these NFL players to prepare for our shift. And he just had

like a two minute breakdown on why he thought that he had his kick. Yeah, he can only go by it. He can,

he just is always on once. He was on the clock. I don't know if it's for the fucking flag football.

He was trying to come up with advanced analytics on the spot. He was like, maybe you actually just play the two point conversion. And maybe it's like, they score six. You score eight every time. And like, you almost allow them to score because you know that you can get the two point conversion and stop them because inside the 10, it becomes more like traditional football where the NFL guys can actually

look the first one. We didn't know we figured it out. And about the second game three hours in

“Craig is just like, this scoreboard's wrong. That's my word. That you were right anyway. I think flag”

football is going to work. I was entertained just the plate. I actually had a way. It was fun to watch these random guys kick the shit out of these. Oh, my takeaway was man tackle football is so much more fun to watch. Like I was like, this is a good idea for the Olympics and it'll be fun to watch

maybe professional like NFL players do it, but like I would never turn on a flag football game.

But you didn't like the pro's first shows element of it where like, oh my god, like I know that I know these guys practice it all the time and the NFL guys don't. They're just getting a check because we're supposed to be in Rihanna, especially a lot of money. I get that. Having said that, I was just surprised to learn. I guess how many more people there are out there than I think that can like pretty effortlessly catch Alvin Cameras flag. Yeah. I think they didn't make it look

very hard. But like if that if the team USA, if those guys were in the fantasy football, I mean the flag football league that was on television every week or you watching that? No, I like the element that was cool was the NFL players playing them and I'm concerned because like I think we will stand NFL players and we will lose. Like an organized group of really athletic guys from a different country. If they play it all the time, I think my takeaway was

they will be NFL players because they're not like the NFL players will not win. The goal that will be fascinating if we just like the dream team versus like when they're used

“to send just college players or whatever. Yeah, but here's the thing. But the NFL that you need”

famous players to do this. What is the point of what I mean? Well you also have to cast the right guys like like dude. I can kill on the mar would win. Oh, I'm like Garrett Wilson. He's like really shifty guys who can maybe like they kind of match the body. Yes. Types of the flag football guys like you got to pick the right people. Honestly, the most the best person ever at the sport. If they didn't, it's pretty good. Well, do you know who the if they weren't

such as the quarterbacker? I thought he was playing like receivers. He did two time quarterback. You can have two quarterback if you want and burrow and have more sharing. Cadarius Tony would be the best player. Oh, he'd be fucking awesome. Where is there a Tony and honestly probably not too busy right now. Cadarius Tony could actually throw. Like that's like he actually is an odd. That's true. Cadarius Tony, there were points of Cadarius Tony could throw further than Daniel Jones. Oh,

Dell would be really good. He's playing in this. Oh, okay. There we go. He was good. Yeah. Um, okay. Anyway, I just I equals fans who are angry at me about the jail and hurts thing. I know

but I'm like, look, he got tackled by Logan Paul and I'll never get over that. So there's no one there.

I was like over fucking get over the biggest pick. He tried the problem was he tried and it didn't work. He didn't just be like, you got me. It was like he was like, I'm gonna spit out of this anyway. Logan Paul has the benefit of being able to take steroids. Fair. It's a good point. E-mails. I wanted to remind people to vote for this nurse, Tyler, 10 at Gaci, to throw out the first pitch at this mayor in his game on May 5th because his

wife who thinks our podcast is weird, emailed and asked for help. Um, and so and he seems like a good guy makes his breakfast. He makes breakfast for his wife every day for five years. So that link is in the

“episode description. Vote for Tyler and I think we can actually vote multiple every day. So we should”

do it right now. That's big news. Yeah, just vote for Tyler. Okay. Um, couple emails. Okay. I wanted to talk about a few days ago as gobsmacked or a few episodes ago. I was gobsmacked because we talked about how Pat Riley was drafted by the Dallas Cowboys. Correct. 11th round, 12th round. Well, okay. Despite playing college basketball only. I love that. And I just I couldn't believe and like the whole world of what teams used to do with these like

long drafts and everything was faceted to me. So we got a bunch of someone pointed out to me and I'm sorry. I've lost your name and how you contacted me. And I apologize. I didn't write it to your name down. I'm sorry. Make something up. Uh, L bone. L bone. Nice. All right. The in 1964

in the second round. So the famous GM Tech SRAM, who's running the cowboys. The second round,

the tech cowboys. Do you know how long the cowboys took six hours to make their pick in the second round? Because Tech SRAM wanted to fly a doctor to Oregon to examine this guy Mel Renfro's knee. And then it went into the NFL combine. And then they invented the confine. So in the middle of the drafts, he's like hold on. I got to get on with doctor to Oregon. Wow. There was no timer on the drafts. Wow. Apparently I think things through or you know we just kind of did fly in my

seat of your pants. It's like term limits. They were like, yeah, we don't need to write it down. And they're like, oh, super need to write it down. This is from Josh. Josh. Jaybone. Josh's breakfast was a slate protein latte and apple cinnamon oatmeal. What is a slate protein latte? I assume that's either a brand or a coffee shop. Okay. I probably a protein. It's a brand. So Josh says Craig talked about some of the big swing draft picks. The cowboys have

Buffalo Sabers in the 1974 National Hockey League draft. At the time, the NHL draft was very long,

“very slow, phone and process, almost no media coverage. So for context, the NHL draft now”

has seven rounds, like the NFL. But at the time, the NHL draft had 25 rounds. Wow. And in the 11th round of 1974, Buffalo drafted a center named Taro Suji Moto from the Tokyo Katanas of the Japan ice hockey league. Okay. And the NHL process to the pick and the weeks go by and the Buffalo Sabers, I guess, at the league meeting announced that there was no Taro Suji Moto. There is no Tokyo Katanas team. And there is no Japan ice hockey league. There's no league. And they made it. And they

took the guy as a joke to make everyone realize we should make the draft shorter. Not of you, even noticed. No one noticed. That's for weeks. And they made their point. And then the NHL short in the draft. That's such a petty move. That happens all the time. I feel like people do that now to this day. It's like, oh yeah, you saw the movie was your favorite character.

Just making it. They're just fucking amazing. They're like, there is no hockey league in Japan.

And all the other teams were too afraid to put it out. And the best part is this guy became a this fake person that was invented. And it's then a cult legend in Buffalo. His name is still on the draft list of like the history of the buffers. You can buy this jersey. And if you ask, there are still people in Suji Moto jerseys Apple flavors. That's fucking cool. And the buffless Sabers inducted them to their whole fame. Dude, that's great. The decision to take this

player was made by Saber's general manager, punch in lock. Shut the f*ck up. Punch in the zoo. Punch in lock. Was he a real person either? Is it like layers to them? He appears to be real. Oh damn, punch in the lock. You got to do that. That's punch in lock is just, you know what, that's the next one. We did all these players, old baseball players, send us the names of coaches with crazy names. Punch. Coaches from all these different punch. And the Cowboys GM did it with

name tax. Oh my god. Punch. Love it. How did he get his nickname? Not sure.

“Could be editing. Craig, this needs to be a new thing. I think that, you know, in the”

rewatchables, Craig's big things, make movies shorter. Right. This is the big draft shorter. And so we should get you a Suji Moto jersey. I would love one. If we do a live show around the draft, I'll wear it. Oh hell yeah. You get him a Suji Moto jersey. Um, the other one, I just Matt emailed in. And Betty. And Boone. He said he immediately jumped at the pucker butt pepper company mentioned, because I mentioned the hot sauce pepper pucker butt. I apparently pucker butt

invented the Carolina Reaper, the hottest pepper of the world. And then now they invented the newest hotest pepper in the world, which is called Pepper X. Like, when you say invent like Geneva, they engineered it. What? Apparently. Like, they're in the lab making new peppers. I, I, I was shocked a little bit. You're your scientists. We're so enamored with the idea that you could do it.

They never asked if they should. Right. But was so worried about what we did. We did the

director minds on other issues. We're good on hot peppers. By the way, the pucker butt, pepper company I was talking about the logo and how it's a, it's flames in a circle. Okay. I was kind of insinuating this, but my buddy who is in marketing shut out JJ sent me this and said basically, it's that's the ring of fire that we're talking about. Yeah, red red that's very provocative,

“evocative, if you will, of your burning butt hole. Are you familiar with the term red ring of death?”

Oh, man. That's a real like, that's a real sponge bubble. That's like, yeah, that is the thick, thick, thick, thick, thick, thick. I'm like, oh, you played Xbox. What's the red ring of death?

Is that like where it turns off and never turns back on or something? If there was a, if your Xbox

showed the red ring of death, it was assigned that it was an unfixable Xbox. It was a very specific manufacturing problem that Xbox had for the Xbox 360, right time where they were crazy expensive. And like, you couldn't replace them. Like, you would, you'd go to school the next time you'd be like, guys, disaster. Last night, red ring of death, it's over. I need to go to your house. Okay, one, one more email we'll get out of here. Okay. Sure. Uh, so this is from Raphael.

Raphael. Our bone. This is my name is Rapha. I'm from Brazil. I came across a new guest in game for the pod. Nice. It was not my idea. So, props to the allegedly speaking pod cast. Like, I see put this from the idea. I guess this is a podcast called the allegedly speaking. So, I guess I'm ripping them off via Raphael and he's our middleman. But he lifted some examples from them and added a few

Obviously, it's similar to all the ones we've been doing of Coachella band or Pokemon.

“Is this a luxury candlestend or a celebrity's baby name?”

That's good. Raphael, this is some of your best. Allegedly speaking, luxury candlestend or a celebrity babies name. Wow. I'm already trying to think. Okay. I can't wait for this, genuinely. This is the

most excited I've been in weeks. Shout out to allegedly speaking. Okay. Weeks. First up here,

luxury candlestend or celebrities' baby name. Sage Moonblood. Fuck. That's a celebrity name. Moonblood makes Sage Moonblood. Last year's Liberty Baby name. Okay. Do you have the celebrity? That is Sylvester Stallone's son. Nice. Sage Moonblood. I was thinking, Sage Stallone, cool name. Okay. Amber and war. Candle. I think it's got to be candlestend. I'm going to say celebrity name.

It is a candlestend. Amber, what is it? Amber, noir, noir. Eternal Jasmine. God, if this is a celebrity name, I'm going to be God's Mac. I'm going to

“guess candle. Same. I think they want you to guess candle. I think they do too. Eternal and she has”

an end. Go up my gut. It's candle sent. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't sound, but blue. It sounds real.

Might be. Yeah. I blew it. Winter Mercy. Winter Mercy. That's. I said so. I think it's a slip to. It's a lot of more set sun. It's one of more immersive. I would have said, girl, when you're kind of a cool name. Yeah. We got to do it. Winter Mercy. Bear Blaze has to be a slip. Yeah. The fuck is the scent, then? Yeah. If you keep burning bear.

Okay. Wings with sun as they bear. Bear Blaze. Wings let. Where I guess I don't know what her husband's last name is. That's crazy. All right. What is it? Michigan. I don't know. Okay. Candle Center celebrity baby name. Scarlet Rose. That's one's a tough one. That's hard. I'm going to go with celebrity. Same. There has to be a candle named

name Scarlet Rose. Probably yes. Like even if it says celebrity. Like there has to be a candle somewhere named Scarlet Rose. I'm going candle. Fuck. It's the Lester Stallone's daughter. Fuck yeah. I'm perfect so far. God damn it. Craig just buys more candles and knows more celebrities. Sunday Rose. Sunday Rose.

God damn it. Did some of those people send these in and they faint.

“I'm going to say candle. I think it's slab. I'm going candle. I'm going back to the”

well. Keith Urban and Nicole Kidman's daughter. His name is Sunday Rose. Fuck. Bang. Bang. Lera Antarctica. Jesus Christ. Lera Antarctica. Lera Antarctica. What is love name? I'm going to go to the lab. Yeah. I said she was daughter. Lera Antarctica. Okay. Is that where she was conceived? Is this like a Taseum hill thing? Is that what

has Taseum hill's name because he was conceived and Taseum? Yeah. He was conceived in Taseum rotary park in like Provo or something. Really? No. Actually, I don't know if that's the official story but he's named after that park. Rotary park. I don't know if he was conceived in the park. That was my assumption. But yeah. Taseum rotary park. Puck a Telo Idaho. Yeah. Taseum rotary park.

It's a nice park. Anyway. Anyone here is listening to the show and you're in this park. Right now I want you to email immediately. If you're a celebrity and you're famous, super, super famous, your kids already, you know, might get bullied for being like a whatever. Maybe just name them something normal. Back a rat Rouge. Back a rat. Back a rat like the game, like you see in

a game. Rouge like the like the color French malin Rouge. I mean, what sent is that? I'm going to select candle. That is a candle sent. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a smell of a casino. It's like cigarettes and booze. Or maybe we're talking like a high class back rat where it's like this is mahogany many leather bound books. Thank you to Raphael

for that incredible list. Thank you to allegedly speaking for letting us steal that. Thank you to

votes for Tyler Tena Gucci. We're going to get him to the first pitch of this marines game.

“We're doing Tyler. Here's a deal. You, you have to practice the first pitch. Like if we send”

you out here and we get you on this first pitch of the marines game in May and you bounce that shit to home play. Thank you, cheese. We need to high heat. I would love to throw the first pitch out of the game. You got to get the first pitch out of the Dodgers game. How do they let anyone do that? Is it like once a year they just let like a fan do it? Well, I mean, I think why don't you get a nursingce? I want I want if he wins this. He actually

done something with his life. Why would they get let me do it? Because you're famous. You're the

third most famous Craig I know. You know Craig night. Craig night there's 81 opportunities here.

Can I get one of them? Yeah. Work on that. Email us if you can help us get Craig to throw the first pitches. I think the requirement for this for this guy, if he wins the first pitch thing,

“he has to throw it as hard as he fucking can. Oh, that's a great. Here's the thing, though.”

How? I don't care if you dare mail it. I would be legitimately practice for a month. Oh, I mean, I've got it. So are you going to do how much pitching motion are you going to do? I would do a full wine just. Yeah, full wine. I think you got to do like over the head. Do I was looking for a head? I would like I would go back to my roots. I would try to get I'd try to sign with a team after that. I kind of feel like Craig would do like the dentist

effortlessly like the submarine pitch where it's like rising. That's the reason I see you doing that. I'm South Pothu. Oh, my god. Impossible to hit that. Oh, up to the show man. Good. Up a 90. Fucking Randy Johnson on. I'm of course you didn't see it. Of course you chased it. Curb on the dirt. It's like two you chased. Of course you did. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you the dare. The dare. Yeah. You know that song like I like the

girls who do drugs. I don't know if there's a controversy around this song or not, but I don't know that song. Pretty good song. Formally known as turtle necked. The band is called the dare. Though it's just the day it's a band that sounds like a guy. It's just one guy. It's a guy. It's like the guy. Oh, the guy's the guy's name the dare and the song. He produced a song by Charlie X. Yeah, wow, world's good. He made guess. I just mentioned Charlie X. Yeah, it's not. I did not know the connection here.

It's said he later moved to Portland and he attended Lewis and Clark College. I'm going to tell you. I feel like I don't, I feel like Lewis and Clark. We don't talk about them enough. Hmm. Like going across the college. I don't know as much about them as it should.

“There's a, yeah, there's a book about their, their trip. And I'm trying to remember the name of it. It was by”

shit. My brother told me, but the guy who wrote D day or whatever. It sounded really interesting.

And my brother told me about it. And then I never read the book. Apparently it's just like 95%

of it is them going across the country getting a bunch of STDs. So that actually makes me want to read the book. I want to hear about that. Like very curious how that went. No, this is how you get guys to go out of cost country trip when there's very little prospective surviving is. Apparently there's a lot of sex on the way. Geez. So yeah. It's a good point though. I feel like everyone knows them by name, but that's kind of as far as it goes. In Sacca, Julia. But the most famous organ trail thing

is the game. Yeah. Yeah. It's exactly the way it seems like she did all the work. Didn't really get much credit. We put her on a coin like two years since she died kind of a raw deal. And then I couldn't tell anything else. The only part I remember is that Thomas Jefferson sent them to send the trip and he thought they'd find Willie Mammoth's. He thought they were still alive. But the idea that they didn't know what the fuck was out there. Anyway. All right. You guys are just

looking down and scrolling. So I'm going to try to find this book. Sorry. I was trying to, oh, it's called undonted courage. It's the name of the book. If you're interested in STDs on the organ trail, Steve Addley Ambrose, that'll be the pod announcement. If you're just undonted courage, if you're interested in STDs. Undonted courage. The story of a man who got 15 STDs. And he was undonted. I'm going to keep going. Goodbye, everyone.

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