Hornets Rookie Kon Knueppel! Plus John Wall Talks Tatum’s Impact, Spurs Title Odds & Foul-Baiting

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bonus bets that expire in seven days. I just know wagering restrictions apply, terms at sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. He's one of the best stories of the NBA season. He is the rookie. Now, with the Charlotte Hornets, it's con-caniple. Thanks for doing this, man. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I can't believe these two years for you. I was looking at it again today. Two years ago, you're coming off one in a state title, you're a five-star guy,

you're going to do a year later, you're in the final four, and now you've had this rookie season where you're in the mix to win rookie the year. I imagine it feels like it's taken forever and

“it's the same time maybe it's taken two weeks. What did these last two years bend like for you?”

Yeah, I mean, I've been saying that I've kind of been going really soon. The end of my senior year where I was just like non-stop. I haven't really had a break because right after you have senior year and then your year preparing for college and that offseason gets a college in the summer. And then that whole whole obviously season I do. And then right after that, it's preparing for the draft and now a season NBA. So it's really been like three full years of go-go-go-go-go.

So I'm looking forward to a little break before we get back after it again, but it's been a fun ride for the past couple of years. Because you've been so good and now you're like a household name in the NBA, we can lose sight of how young you are and I imagine there's like times where you're texting with your high school buddies and you're like jealous because they're going to a concert or something and they're like, you're playing the Celtics tonight, dude. Yeah,

I get texts from guys all the time. That's funny. They'll give me crap for how I played. But yeah, it's I wish sometimes sometimes you wish you were just hanging out with them, but you got to realize you're doing pretty cool stuff. Because last night was a national broadcast. They were talking a lot about this team and what they thought and it Charles Lee, your coach, who said, hey, we knew when you had injuries

to the team, but it's also a team that has not done well. There's a reason why there's so many lottery picks on this team. So when you're coming in, how do you balance like, hey, I went everywhere. I go, I expect us to win and also go in like I'm brand new and this franchise hasn't had a lot of great history recently. So I'm wondering how you figured out how to kind of fit in, especially with the struggles of the start of the season. Yeah, I mean, it's hard.

You know, our GM Jeff Pierce and talking to him. It's like,

winning or losing is never, you know, acceptable. So even when you're losing, you've got to keep

that mindset. And so yeah, you try to keep that as a competitor. And it is it is tough. It was tough to start the season, how we started it. But you know, that was that was something that

how can you, how do you deal with that? Because these teams aren't there in the lottery for a reason.

“So I think, you know, our organizations in a good spot where we value winning, we want to go”

out there and win as many games as we can. Before the draft, did you think you knew where you were going?

Need not really, no. Like, was there a chance? You're like, okay, maybe I go second, maybe

I go third. Like, did you have any sense of that? No, I didn't, I didn't think. There was, there was no chance I was going to. And then three, I didn't work out for, for Philly. So, they're a little online zoom like this, but I'm so I didn't think I was going there. Do you have those funds? Is this more fun or less fun than the pre-draft zoom with Philly? You know, did you mirror Nelson's a good dude? And he's over there. So he was on a zoom.

And I got a chance to talk to him a ton after we played Philly in Charlotte. He's a good dude. You're just hanging out with our equipment room guys after the game. So we were, I was hanging out with him with those guys a lot. So we were hanging after the, after the game. So he's a cool dude. So that was, that was a solid zoom. All right. Well, good. Good. I have something to compete with here. I have to talk about your game. Once I did a lot of the draft stuff and I kept going

back to you and I'd go, okay, first of all, like every decision seems to be the right decision.

He feels like he could play with anyone, like, okay, here are four. And then we'll put Knipple in fifth than whether we have to have him score. We have to have him pass here after you've all these

“different things. Like it was something that completely jumped out. And then I think the thing that”

really is impressed me with you and the NBA. And I know that you've talked about this a little bit. But I see it where you, if you're coming off of a screen or you're on a dribble handoff of there, there's something where you're coming into like a threat position against the defender. Whether it's the two feet or the ball out in front kind of that old triple threat thing that everybody yelled at us about where kids, but there's this slight delay where you're either assessing

how you want to attack or you're already knew how you wanted to attack, but you just want to freeze that defender for just a moment. I don't know that I'm, I'm wrong necessarily about this, but like, what is it where you learn that this is a massive advantage if I can just make the defender worry about all three things every time I touch the ball? Yeah, I mean, that's something that being our, this is something that I work with like Miller. That's something that we, we talk about

and then I tend to make the better decision or right decision when I'm not just running through that catch unless I got my guy all the way beat, so just keeping the defense honest and really, it's not even like a shot fake, but I'm looking at the rim. So like the threat of the shot going up tends to make that the big or whoever jump and so then it makes it easier, not necessarily jump, but just like maybe step, take a step to the ball. So just makes the read a little more

“easier if I can get around them or it's the pocket pass or the skip. I think just, you know,”

take it my time off that and using my shot as a weapon coming off those actions is important.

So do you not know, do you give yourself that split second to assess and then make the decision

or are there times where you're like no matter what I know I'm pulling up here or and this, if this, if this switched, I'm going to go hard or I already know that I'm passing out of this play. Yeah, there's times when the defense, when it's real obvious. So if the guys, my guys kind of trail on the play and the the biggest too low, I know the shots going up. But sometimes if the guard trail on the play, some teams, the big will just come and try to bullets it. So then I know

when I get the ball that I'll have the the seam dump into the big, but anything other than that is kind of just, you know, you make the read in the moment. All right, I'm hope you're going to be able to remember this because it was a sick assist to lamella against Detroit and it was last month and I was looking at it again this morning. And so the play is mellow brings it up and then it's over to Josh Green. You're in the left corner. This is the second quarter against Detroit. I'll put you on the

spot here. I'm sorry. Mellow comes and said you was screened. So he replaces you in the left corner and then you're coming up on a curl to catch it from Josh Green. And Isaiah Stewart closes out on you

getting ready to contest. But you give us that slight hesitation and then you drive and then somehow you get the past a mellow in the corner for the three through all the traffic at the room. Do you remember this one now? Okay. So take me right over the, so I know that you know mellow's replacing you, but it's still not even like it's not in close to an easy pass. Can you take me through all the different things you're thinking about on that play? Yeah, I mean, we're coming off the curl.

You're always coming to score. They're coming together. You got to go with the mindset that you're

going to score. And Stewart did a good job, like you mentioned, recovering, saying in front. And so you know, you're just, the read, the read is is the opposite corner. You kind of see that guy sink in on the on a week side. But you know, it's just a tough angle. Sometimes you get to get a little lucky in it and it goes through. It is a brutal angle. Because when I watch it again this morning, I'm like, I can't believe, like, it seemed like you're going, all right, well, if he's not all the

way out to me, then I'm pulling. And again, like, when I saw it live, I was like, that was ridiculous, but at the same time, I'm like, Stewart got back into this. You probably thought you had him on a dribble for a second. Man, that's, that happens a lot. And the NBA, man, there's, there's times where you're like, man, I got, I got them. And I don't know, he's right there. Yeah, that part

“must suck a little bit. What did you have to learn about the best way to play alongside somebody”

like mella who just sees the game in a completely different way? Yeah, um, he's unique. Obviously,

he's, he plays the game the same way. He's, he always has. But, you know, you got to

just try to make his life easy. Um, I think he, he, obviously, sees the floor very well. He's a great passer. Um, so you got to give him windows to make passes. I also think, you know, he loves the plan transition. Um, so being able to sprint a floor with him, make his life a little easier, given Alex. Um, and then also just like, he's tall. He's, he's really tall, so that some of those like pocket pass, you know, guard the guard screen actions that we run. Like he's able to throw

the ball over the top. Um, so that's, that's been a really successful, um, you know, two-man game that we've had with, you know, a bunch of our guys because he, he can really, he can really see the floor. I imagine part of it, too, is, I mean, I, I get to sense the way you grew up in the way you played,

but that you always have to be ready for a pass, even when you think it's over. When you think

“you're out of the play, you're never out of the play with him. Go. Yeah, I think a big thing, too, is”

like when you, when you drive and you kick it out, like, getting back to space, like we talk about that all the time, but especially with Lamele, like getting back behind the three-point line, because you might drive it again, and the defensive collapse again, and you got to be, you got to be out, I'll ready to catch a three, um, catch it behind three, excuse me, and, uh, you know, really, really space the floor for him, because, you know, he, you can, he can make

noise. I love John Shire's offense. You know, I was watching a lot of cam stuff the last couple of weeks, and I was like, here we go again. Like every single person is connected, every person knows, did you already understand that stuff before you got to do? Yeah, a little bit. Well, before I ask another Duke thing, then, is it fair, like, when I, the first time, I was like, it's very clear that older men just beat up on this guy, his entire basketball

“upbringing. So, going back to those years, was your dad making you play in the men's league?”

When you were 14 or were you like, I want to play in the men's league? I wanted to play. So, you got to understand my dad's been doing for 20 years, and so I was doing stat, like stats and scoreboard for the league for like, I don't, I guess I want to ask 14, so I probably started doing it when I was like seven, for like eight years. So, like, I knew all the players, like, all these guys are like former college players, um, like most mostly D3 from Wisconsin, but you, I like, I knew

all the guys, so I, I wanted to be in, in, in, in, in playing, and I was like, the worst guy, but you learn how to play, play hoost frequently. So, with her years, where you were at me, I just didn't do rasking, and he was like, no, like, we don't want you screwing up the game. Well, I didn't even think that was like possible. So, when he was like, oh, you're going to play, I was like, whoa, I didn't, so I was, I wasn't asking. I was like, no, you didn't get in the league,

was he trying to balance the keeping your confidence up, but I also reminding you that he scored a

couple thousand points in college. No, it wasn't, it wasn't really about that as much. It was, um, you know, you, you learn how to play a different, different style, um, I think that painer had a

“great clip talking about. If you want to go watch guys communicate, go watch the old guys playing”

that new and unsaturday. And that's, that's kind of what it is. Like, all these guys are talking on the floor. You learn how to, you learn how to say like, scream right, scream right, scream like stuff like that is not, not, um, as simple for like a middle school kid, middle school team. So, you learn all that stuff, and then the off ball stuff, um, it's all, there's no set play, it's all screams and, uh, pick the picker and stuff like that to get open. Um, so you learn about a different way to play basketball,

then, uh, what the average, you know, American kid does, um, through a you, and your brothers can be playing in that league. Oh, yeah, my, the three, three of them are playing right now. I thought there was a younger one, is he just get, like, did he just get called up, has he been playing in it for a little bit? Uh, they've, so one's a junior, one's, one's a sophomore, one's a freshman, one's an eighth grade, so the eighth grade hasn't played yet, but the freshman sophomore and junior have now,

he just got the freshman just got me got the call up, uh, last year, but they're two have been playing for a couple years. Or any of them better than you at the same age? No. So yeah, so there's not, there's no, like, annoying, like, hey, he's actually better than you were when he was an eighth grade or he's better than you were when he was, when he was, when he was a sophomore. Oh, there's, there's none of that. Uh, no. Do they ask you great questions or also annoying

questions about being in the NBA? Oh, my brothers? Yeah. They probably don't ask enough questions. Really? Yeah. What do you wish they asked? Ah, maybe like, what work out studio? Like that would be cool. It's going to be cool. Get some of that going. Um, but they're, they're killing it. They're 26 and out of the season for high school in Wisconsin, so they got four games to go to

win state again, so you'd be cheering for those guys, but um, yeah, none of them are better than the age there. They know that. I would think you'd have one brother that would be super annoying

“if his older brother were maybe going to be rookie the year in the NBA. You know, I think”

out of, out of that, like, those numbers there, there's going to be one guy that's like, I can't ask for scoot hinders since autograph man. There might, there might be that. They're, they're not, as, um, been through all that their brothers in the NBA. It's more so that all you political, Nello, or, or that stuff that they're, they're excited to see the other guys.

How much has changed for you from like the vet that you're, you know, first couple of weeks in the

league. He's looking at you and he's, and he's given you shit to now, you're on this pace. This unbelievable three point shooting that they have you noticed the way you're talked to has changed in a very short amount of time. Um, not really, you know, I think my, my teammates that are really

“good job of making me feel like I belonged from the jump, which was cool. I think that, you know,”

definitely contributes to some of those success I've had. Um, I mean, more like the opposition, I wouldn't mean your teammates. Yeah. Yeah. I guess, I mean, there's some of that sometimes of, yeah. I mean, I think there's just a general, uh, respect and not getting targeted as much anymore, defensively, um, although I did get scored on a time last night, against the sons. It did seem like the sons were hunting you a bit last year a little bit. Yeah.

Um, that was a tough one for me defensively, but, uh, you know, I'm not, I'm not getting that as on a nightly basis, uh, as much anymore. Um, so there's, there's that, but with, with the way

guys communicate, I mean, it's, it's always, I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't do that much to be honest,

but after the game, it's always keep going stuff like that, the, the, the simple, the simple stuff. I can't imagine how much it would suck like in the first couple of weeks. You're like, I'm going to be putting every single ball screen. Yeah. Yeah. We played Orlando like early in the

like, all game. Like, what is this? Yo, kids, like, I don't, I don't need this pick on someone else. Um, your, I guess it's a friendly rivalry with Koopi. Koopi flags are roommate from college,

“and he's number one overall pick, and I think he's been even more than anyone could have ever”

expected his rookie year. I mean, he's been incredible, and he's kind of like tasked with running

that whole thing with all the injuries that they've had. What are the conversations like with, with you and him? And I know like, look, there's not a ton of stuff that you can share with us, but maybe something that you could share where it's just two young guys like figuring out their MBA lives where you can talk to him in a way that's different than anybody else you probably connect with. Yeah, I mean, I think it's good you're going through something together. Um, the same thing.

Um, you know, it's hard. It's hard to just like move to a city and not get to choose where you're going, like that's a weird thing. Um, so, you know, just, it's when we talk it's more about

less about basketball and more about, you know, where you're living, like, all offends your family

down there, how you're doing, um, that type of stuff, um, which is, which is cool and

“lasting, um, um, so, yeah. And you're living situation, like, how, how does that work?”

Because, I mean, obviously your family has a ton of siblings. So it's not like everybody's just going to move down, and I know like a bunch of guys on teams that get young ages are different, but what is your situation, like, one year in? Yeah, I'm just, I'm just a little bit about myself, my four brothers and parents are up in Milwaukee, still. So, um, my mom comes down, you know, like once a month, just kind of help out around the house, um, help me, I'll

me do whatever. So that that's nice that she does that. Um, but otherwise, I'm just kind of my own

traveling with a team and to taking care of my stuff. Can you get shots up on your own? And it's like, like, when you just be bored and go, I want to go to the facility and get shots up. Yeah, you can do it. Do you do it a lot or do you do it to a point where it's like, I need a break? Yeah, most of, see, I did that for, I mean, my whole life I've been doing that, I'll just go to the gym, and now it's like, man, I got to get away from basketball a little bit, um, with my oftentimes.

So, and I just got to let my body, my body recover a little bit as well. Like, so it's a lot of games. So it's a ton of games. So, um, not not as much during the season anymore. Do you talk to Shire still? Yeah. What, again, that you can share with us, he's coach of the team. He's trying to win a national championship. He's getting the next draft class ready, but I imagine he has time to watch you, um, you know, again, it's also

somewhat of a local market as well on top of everything else. How is that relationship change in the way he's like, you know, it's almost like a father figure, a mentor type when he's your coach and his day in and day out in your college and his new experience, but then also him understanding

“like what you're going through. Now, that's different. Yeah, I mean, I think he always, like,”

kind of wants to know what the NBA stuff is like, like, just even like the day-to-day schedule. So when we talk about that, like, I guess far as, like, what's the shooter on the schedule? Like, he, well, I think he wants to like craft the Duke, like, is there something we could do better or more, more to the NBA? So it's a lot of that stuff, um, but, you know, I think the relationship hasn't really changed that much. You know, it's, he jokes he texts me and Sian and like,

guys are making me Hornets fans. Like, I just think that's cool that he's, you know, following, following us, um, and, you know, still keep in tabs. That is kind of funny, though, that he's like, thinking, guys, is there any edge that I can gain here that I, you know, that I've got this all these dudes that got drafted from last year's class that are playing in the league. What do you think is, is the biggest difference? Like, maybe there's some exercise of, like,

oh, I wish I had known this, the year ago when I was at Duke and I would have been even better, you know, again, it's, it's asking a lot because you guys are so good that year, but what do you think is like this basketball understanding that you have, not even through a full season or rookie year that you wish you had had before? Who, I wish I had before? Or maybe something you didn't understand? You're just like, oh, this is actually a much better way to do this. Yeah, that's

it's a great one. I have a great one. So I'm, I like a defense rotation. In the NBA,

and the, the guard cracks down, but that other guy in, like, college is always, like, syncing,

and, like, I'm going to take the first pass, that next guard in the NBA, what we do, um, that guard, that next guard, he slices out, so we would call it a slice out. So wherever that, that pass goes, he takes that first pass, but he, he does it in the passing lane, so he can't swing the one more. And I remember the telling us, and I was like, why doesn't everybody do that? Like, why am I learning this now for the first time? Because it takes away that, that one more pass, three,

that catches you through which in the NBA is like, automatic. But I was like, when we did this,

“did a drill for that this summer, and I was like, how am I learning this for the first time?”

So that's, that's something there. I wonder if there are times, like, and I was watching in the Boston game, and you're playing, you know, somebody's at the top of the key, somebody's got him straight up. There's no screen yet, right? And you're playing, you know, man you ball, which everybody understands, or you're playing like a step off of the passing lane, to protect yourself on a back cut, and yet you're still like if it's a simple past here, like,

I'm at least in the area, if it would be lazy granted, there's not that many lazy passes to the left or right side of somebody in the three that a defender can go and get into the passing lane. It's still that, but you're at least presenting yourself as an obstacle to all this stuff. And you were turning your head like somebody watching tennis. I mean, you were just constantly checking, checking, checking back and forth. Do you ever have moments where you're like, how come

everyone, like, this is easy? That part's easy, just maintaining that somebody's not on the baseline behind me. And great. And it's funny that you guys get caught. But I, sometimes I wonder if you'll,

“you'll think, how come these easy things aren't done by everybody? Because that's where I think”

you excel in why you have advantage, it's such a young age. Man, I get, I get to be back door, I haven't gotten to be back door as much recently, but there's a, there's a stretch there, where I was like, one, one-a-game, bad one, so that, that one's, that one's tough for me, my career. Um, um, are great. Uh, were you getting put in the darker spot, though, where they were like, because they're, I saw one where I'm like, yeah, but you kind of came up to help, and then you got

beat back door because there was another guy in the paint. And that's where I, that's where I wonder sometimes I don't watch an NBA. I'm like, I don't know if you made a mistake, right? Because

or if, like, and that's where sometimes I'm hesitant to be critical of guys because I'm like,

I don't know what your rule is on that. Yeah, right exactly. Um, yeah, there's something

“on this app, but sometimes it's just, you just get smoked. They blow your guy. Um, I, I think, uh,”

to go back to your question, I, I think I have a general understanding of like pretty quickly in the game of when I messed up or what I messed up, but I think that helps me. Um, there's like some guys mess up and they don't know. Um, but I, I feel like a pretty good understanding like, oh, I messed that up or a screw up that coverage, um, which helps me for the next time and then to keep going. Um, but I do think, um, not taking like the the easy stuff, the so-called easy stuff for granted,

um, is, is what makes, you know, is it, is an edge for, for good players that can, it can make them really good, um, but by just taking care of that, that's so-called simple, easy stuff. I know a couple

tough games here, um, after this, this incredible stretch, but how did you guys feel about yourself? Like,

what was, was the locker room a little different after that, decipher, decisive win last week in Boston? Oh, yeah, I mean, it was a long, long day for us. Um, we, uh, we got in at 445 in the morning in Boston, but it's in flight travel. So, we, uh, we're coming off of back to back, um, get get in at 5 in the morning, sleep till like, you know, 11 noon, get over, boss at 3, uh, to get over to Boston, um, and, or the garden, and, you know, is, we play well, we play great, um, and just the

locker room locker room is good after that, you know, like you mentioned, we dropped a couple here, but, uh, you know, we're, we're sticking together, um, got, got good heads about us right now, and we'll keep going. Because you're going to shoot so many threes in your career, are we a couple years away from you learning how to kick out your leg more to get free throws? Yeah, yeah, maybe,

doing that. No, I'm, I'm trying to, I'm trying to work out and getting, didn't, when guys hands

are in the cookie jar just like rising up, um, which, which is not always fun to watch, but, um,

“any, any, any way to get to the free throw line. Uh, yeah, I'm, I'm going to, I think, some, some of”

that stuff will be a point of especially the off season, just noticing when hands are on you and being able to rise up find, find more ways to get the line. I think there's a gross way to do with the legs and I don't want to, I don't want you to tell you to do it because I also hate it, but you're going to be taking a lot of those from out there. You got Blasto on that one last night. That wasn't even, that was up her body. Yeah, that was, that was our, yeah, that, I've gotten

followed two nights or two nights of a row and threes. I think, I think the last one against Miami was kind of a, kind of a leg, leg kick stop early type, type of fall, it's happening. I can see it

in your eyes already. I don't know if that's just being around Grant Williams because Grant

was was in the lab last night. He's got that sort of screen on booker where he hit him in the back, but then I don't know. Everybody falls down now with it, but again, I don't understand why guys are putting two hands in the back of the guy they're screening and then they push them. That's happening all over the, all over the place and then some guys as soon as they feel the two hands, they're just going to fall down. I thought booker, I thought Grant got booker pretty good, but then he was just

like, let me cook baseline ISO and I don't know what the hell that was, but he got free throws out of it. So, you know, you've, you've got a, you've got a guy there that can teach you the tricks. Yeah, he's, he's all from it, fall better, slow, shot, fake, trying to, trying to draw one. Um, yeah. Yeah, we'll just, we'll just let the hate get to the freezer line. Um, what would it mean to you to win rookie the year? I would be cool. Yeah, it would be pretty sweet.

I, you know, you work really hard. I work really hard to get here and, um, you know, it's

always cool to be recognized. Um, so yeah, that'd be, that'd be awesome. Would you send

“Cooper any kind of tax? It would be like, I'll sorry, man, or is it like more like I got you?”

No, I don't, I don't, I don't know if I'd like rub it in his face. Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't know how it approached that. Well, maybe you'll get the chance, but it doesn't seem based on these 30 minutes that you would be a jerk about the whole thing. Um, look, it's been a lot of fun to watch you play, to watch you get it immediately and even more for Hornets fans that haven't had a lot going on the last couple years to

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John. How are you? Good. How are you doing? Thanks for having me. I'm good, man. I'm excited about the spurs because you think about this week, they get to trade again, they beat up on Houston, they come back against the Clippers down 25, and they've got a,

young team, I'm not supposed to sit here and think they can win an NBA championship this soon. This, this quick of a version of themselves, but I'm more and more open to it. I'm just wondering

“like what you think they're possible of doing this year. For one, I think they're possible of doing”

everything, and that's possibly winning a championship. I think they probably didn't think they was this far ahead. They probably thought maybe one more year that they had to be at this level, but I just think with the coaching staff, you know, when we've been healthy, most of the year, the young young guys are stepping up and playing at a high level, and they're having the air and Fox, or I think that's being key for them, but what they do on the defensive end allows

them to be so great, offensively, even though they don't shoot the three ball as well as everybody,

most other team's does in the league, but they got never to, our task coming up, playing the

Celtics, and I know people want to see where, like, Tatum stacks up against and what they're doing is that, but I think just being able to do what they did, it's okay, see early and a year, then the last two times they played Detroit, and the way they won those games, and me, everybody wants to know, okay, when you play through that physicality, see how those got to be bullying to them, and it responded very well to that. So I think the key for them is,

they don't have too much playoff experience, but sometimes they might not get an effect there, along as they know what they close or aren't down the stretch, and guys are making the right plays, I think they never chance to do some special, but, you know, we all have to wait and see.

“Yeah, I think the things that jump out is, like, the best thing Detroit has is,”

K getting downhill, right? Because he's so big, and he can finish, he can pull up,

and then, of course, he's passing, right? So once K gets any kind of momentum on some switch or, you know, get people in rotation, and then that's like, all right, now K gets to go up against, like, the other teams five, and he's so big, that it's usually like a nice matchup, and then you see it against women in the armor, and you go, like, that's, that's not the same thing. And I think there's some similarities there, which is how great SGA can be attacking,

and yet with Wendy, it just changes the entire dynamic. So I wonder how you think of that as an attacking point card of going, like, I just have to look at this differently, knowing what that guy is capable of back there. Well, for one, I think it starts with Wendy for sure, you know, because if you have a guy that blocks shots like that back there in the paint, you're just like,

okay, I can pressure the ball at a different level. I mean, I could be more fit, I could get

up into the ball and look, and no Wendy's back there protecting. But you know, sorry, if you got your stuff on a castle, a lot of credit, a guy that, like, if you talked about him in college, he was a four star five star, then really go to a big school, really want to a big school, like, you come, but he didn't play like a dramatic role where he had to be go get 25 points in, Tennessee. He came in, I mean, the radar, just play defense, make the big plays, make shots for them.

But he's the guy that's starting off. He's picking him up full court. He's just this physical court of those guys. Just as athletic, just as strong. So he's making a tough on them. And you go back there and know that I got Wendy behind me, it makes it a lot easier. So for me, if I was playing, I was like, I need to stretch five. If I ain't got to stretch five, it's tough because, and I'm probing it to the paint and trying to get to floaters or get to the rim,

or throwing pocket pass to my biggest, he's one of those very few people that can stop a floter and stop you doing a lot to jailing the random somebody like dead. So Wendy's not human, like, jailing Brown says not anyway, he makes it tough for a lot of people and make you think twice

“when you get into the paint. Yeah, I'm with you because like every team I look at, and that's why”

I think we all appreciate Chet so much is that he's kind of the perfect thing that you're supposed to have. Like, hey, can we have a stretch five who, if the ball's in his hands, it's not the end of the possession. It's not only a shot or him passing somebody else and then a lead rim protection, but then when you look at the defensive assignments and you start thinking, like, teams of tried different stuff. I mean, okay, he's going to try everything, but Wendy, they probably go,

hey, you're going to play like Lou Dore. You're like, you're going, we're going to try to find you the matchup so that you're not stretched out away from the rim, which I think is how a lot of teams try to counter some of that stretch five stuff. And that's, that's part of I think the amazement of of the playoffs and trying to figure out like, all right, what do they want to do to try to keep him away from the corners or the break line of the three pointer defending some

other kind of stretch five? I think the key is all five guys on the, that's out on the floor, have to be able to shoot the ball at a high level and you gotta be able to put a ball on the floor, make plays for each other because they mean, if you're not able to space the floor and shoot three's on a consistent level, Wendy gets out between the sit back like you said and be a free safety and kind of wrong, you know, I mean, you watch when they play Houston, easy to guard as the

gun, where he's back in the pain, they're trying to do dribbling handoffs, they're living with the gun making that tough mid-range at the free throw line, all they put them on the mean

Wendy's just there waiting to block shots, I think also I'm not just to talk about the spurs defense, it's what those guys doing the office event, those all those guys, they put on the floor, they can defend, they all can knock down shots, they also can create shots for others and I think

“that's what separates them from other teams, other teams might have great defensive guys,”

but they can't shoot the ball well, they can't put the ball on the floor, that's something that the spurs have and it's very rare you get that that you have it on both ends of the floor. Yeah, and I think all the guys are getting better too, you know, even Fox, it kind of reminded me of Sacramento Fox in that game against Detroit where I was like, "Oh, now he's cooking and Dylan Harper seems like he's better." And Carter Bryant's coming in playing these minutes where it's like,

you're not going to get a lot of touches and he's like, "All right, I'll just play super intense defense. I'm trying not to get too caught up at all." It's hard not to because you're also looking at OKC, you know, and I know what Tina Tone is done to the regular season, as you do as well, but it's hard to, like, just pencil in San Antonio past them this soon. That's the thing I'm still going to have a hard time with. I think it's just great what they're doing. Like I said,

nobody's expecting to be there right now. We always thought maybe one more year or two more years

to get there, but they're in a schedule. And you don't never get too eyes to regular season, don't get me wrong, play off to the totally differentbies. In OKC, probably have their game plan, what they want to change, certain things, but they're just being patient. We don't show it right now. We got to save it for a semi-game series, no matter how long it takes to get there. So, yeah, you still can't put it back above OKC, no matter what one's on the regular season.

I remember one season, we got swept fall in the regular season. To get to the plow, you screwed your team for all. So, I really don't make it big, different, but we also can't forget about them or anything. You know what I mean? Denver's another team that's, I feel like Denver spurs OKC, those top three teams in the West that can make it interesting.

“Do you have the team right underneath there? Like Houston, you got Minnesota, you know what?”

I mean, those teams that's right there fighting and figuring trying to figure out what their niche and role is, how can they get in there in that top three conversation? That Denver game against New York the other night was tough, because I look, I picked Denver to win the whole thing. I was probably trying to be a little different. They're just picking OKC again, which is to say for pick. And I'm like, you know, maybe Denver with this added depth

and a full season with this coach. And there were times where I'm like, "All right, I feel really good about this." And now they, they probably deserve the benefit of the doubt just a little bit less than OKC and that if they have everybody healthy, they play together for two weeks, they get Gordon back, everything can be fine. But my god, that game against the next, they've given up like a hundred points with three minutes going to the third quarter. That was

just, you want to talk about easy. That was some terrible defense from them. I don't know how much of that one you saw. But that was, I watched it. Yeah, I mean, it's one game, but I'm like, my god guys, it's March. Like, you look at this. You kind of look at it. It's kind of tough.

And I mean, you never try to get too high, get too low when you see certain things in one game,

can make you blow like, whoa, if you go back to the spurs, early game against New York in the

“garden, remember that A.B. The braids I'll just encourage you like, what is this? So I don't”

get too high to low. I think most importantly with them is, I mean, missing pain wise and missing air in Gordon, though, air in Gordon came back. He was on the administration trying to figure out the flow of what things are going on. You just saw a tie of Jones trying to see if you're going to use them as a backup or keep who's brown there. I think most importantly, it was like, it wasn't making shots. And that's what a lot of guys have to do with they team.

Because either you play your pitch and you like, I'm going to let him get 50. But I can't let him get 25 13 and 13. That's when you lose because all those other guys that make your shots. And I think one player that's in particular that's trying to figure it out is Cam Johnson. If he's able to start knocking down shots like Michael Porter was, it would be interesting for them because he's the one guy that teams are leaving. He's not making shots right now, but he's playing

defense spirit out of level. But also, you got to think Murray got hurt. And when they had him like eight or 10 or 12, Murray Springs ankle, you don't know where to go from there because that yoke is your Murray pick and roll is the best in the league. Probably one of the best we ever seen is hard to stop that. And just imagine, yoke is only mid six shots. And those six shots, he misses what? Three. So they just didn't play no defense to other guys, whether they make

his shots. But I won't get too high on that one. What do you think is the story that he's now with with Tatum and how he's looked in two games back? How does this change everything for you?

I'll tell you one thing, if you could tell you to look like Jason Tatum and look at the first two

games and getting his leg on legs underneath them, the east is in trouble. You know, voosephage has got hurt, you'd be out for a month, if I sit him out, let him stay in condition of shape and wait to use him for the playoffs. But that gives you a stretch five whenever you need it. And the guy that gets corner on the post, if you put a small on him, but you got to give Katie a lot of

Boston be when they got rid of jewelry all the day presented. Tatum was out. You got to give me Zoolin a coach and staff a lot of credit. Derek White, how's it? But most importantly, Jalen Brown. He deserves to be in the MVP conversation because we all had doubts that could he be in them one option. He's proving that I have them number two in the east. And I should be the best

“two-way guy in the league. And that's what I feel. And if Tatum continues to progress and get better”

game by game, find his win, find his legs underneath them. It can be scary because now you have Batman and Robin and back you have that one-two punch that they didn't have to worry about before. Now you have to worry about it. And I want to see the test for me is going to be against his part because if I was other teams, I would be testing Tatum on the defensive end. Then we put them in a lot of pick and rolls, put them in my eyes, so situation, send them

if he really can go on that level. Then we'd all face him in. He's proven. I can show him. I got my step back. I'm not scared to get to the rim. I'm not scared to try to dump them people. So, though, the end I'm waiting to see, can he continue to grow on is the defensive end. But he's been looking spectacular so far. Just been two games coming off of killies. Even missing all the shots against Dallas to the first game, the nerves and everything. I mean,

even that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you're just, his passing, you know, you can, you can always

get into this little wolf. Jalen's going off. Like Tatum's now going to take 17, 20 shots of games. How does that change everything else? It's like, well, somebody else is probably sacrificing

“shots not Jalen Brown. But, you know, the passing part of Tatum's game, which I think is very easy to”

overlook. Like, I just, I, that was the thing that jumped out the most to me. It's like he's back there and he's playing making and taking this defensive attention because he's still him, even if people are wondering where he's going to be at health wise. I think it's playing making. Actually, he's going to make a lot of stuff easier even if it means it's taken shots away from guys. Yeah. I think so. And most importantly, you got to think, dare white, not a guy who's

going to care about how many shots he get. Same house and I'm going to care about how many shots he get. You know, I mean, those guys are out there to space the floor and knock down open shots to fit on the end. And at the same time, if he's taking 16, 17, 20 shots of game, Daniel Brown still against 20, 22. Like you said, he's taking shots away from seven houses. Kated might not get as many shots as others. So it's not really going to affect them like that. But most importantly,

it's the way he rebounds the basketball. And also, like you said, it's playing making them really.

You look at the one in the first place. First batch of the game, he comes up and dribbling

hand off and guys are growing over top of the screen. We all know Jason Tannen can make it three right now. We haven't seen it. Only the team, only the people that's been playing with Jason Tannen can tell. Gets into the paint, pro, pro. Those are a lot of the K to get some dunk. So I like this first game because that was because he didn't come out pressing and shoot too much. He came out took one or two shots early and two or three shots, two or three rebounds. So I think that's

was going to help them knowing I have a bonafile one or one threat on the end. Why Janet Brown could be coming up pinned down with a wide of a shot, so running the pick and roll. Do you like this idea of like what Cleveland is with Harden or would you have rather them stayed with Garland and and just hope they could have been healthy with those four guys that they won 64 games with last year? I kind of put them in the same situation knowing there are different talent-wise

of the Lennon Halls. I mean a great team that was great regular seen the team, but just depends on like who you match up with in the playoffs, it might not work out. You see all that they bump into Cleveland and LeBron and them and they got swept. But one one game I'm not sure, but one of the other, but I think like with Cleveland most importantly for them is that Jared Allen can he be healthy for them in the playoffs. I mean that's the impact of all teams. It's got to have a little bit of

“luck. You have to be healthy. I think James Harden held them a lot because he created a different”

level. I mean in one thing he's always going to be available. I wish I would have seen Garland

and then get a whole healthy offseason last year to show what they really could do. After that 64 win, but it just felt like it was time for a fresh start for Garland and separate him and Mitchell. But I think they have a great team, but like I think we still haven't seen match truth this year. I mean that's the big piece of the team that got it knocked down shots. I got it to the defend form, but you have guys like Tyson has been stepping up and Dean Wade has stepped up

and he have to know his role in the semero. But I think they're right there in the conversation. It's just about is everybody going to be healthy and they're going to have that toughness to be at a battle in the playoffs. Are you surprised to see Harden still at this level? No, no, not at all because he's a bonfire score. A guy that nodded, he created his own shot, create for others. And you have to respect his two point of ability and also his one-on-one. So he might not be the same as close

of Harden. But the way he shoots the basketball, the way he creates for others, the way he gets into the paint, he'd be able to do that and say he's ready to be done. When you go back to your career and you know that 17 years probably, I think you to agree that's probably your best season, right? Yeah, for sure, by far. What clicked for you that year? What was it at what?

I think a lot of people don't understand like dealing with injuries throughout my career, something I never had to deal with. But I mean, it's all a part of the game. But people forget we was practicing two hours, three hours a day. I'm playing almost 40 minutes of night. I'm

“giving everything I don't plan defense and offense. I think just that way, I got the bones”

proud of my knee head. Just took it out that summer. You know what I mean? So I felt healthy. I felt like myself and the game just started off with everybody around me was getting better. I was getting better

and I just had a confidence I always knew I had. I just felt like myself and I finally got

up between the proven show everybody. Yeah, the traditional point card is kind of gone. Now as we know, who knows Chris Paul might be the last one. And I'm talking about like, you know, a guy who's like also a star, but kind of sees the game a certain way. And then, you know, you, I mean, it was probably happened a little bit before you, you know, little or somebody, I think about, then it's the whole positional assignments, stuff's all been blown out. But you know, your guy who could score,

your guy who didn't need anything, you could just get to your spot and then figure it out. But you also probably as you mature, go like, I know that my guys need something too. How did you balance? Like, I can probably get by anybody I want to every single time down, knowing that, hey, we're better if I know Bill, and if I know some of the shooters and some of these other

“really talented players around me, like also getting to eat. Yeah, I think we got to give”

Howard Bartlett a little credit. He might be the next new two point guy, you know me, because he's

one guy that'd be creating a door thing. But for me, my mindset was always put pressure on a defense.

Always continue to put pressure on a defense. But I knew early on in the game. I needed to get guys on my team shots. So when I started driving transition, if I had Bradley Bill, or Otto Porter, or Kelly Luber, running the wing, I knew about two of those guys at ball in transition. They made a couple shots. It made the game easier for me. So now when I'm driving in transition, those guys don't want to help. I'm getting one on one leg up so fast, break legos. But I also knew the full quarter.

You started to blitz me. You started to double team me. My guys used to getting shots. He's ain't the first shots they have and not putting a lot of pressure on them to try to make a big shot in the full quarter. When they only got one shot at two shot the whole game, all this might be the first shot. As the point guy, you got to know when to be aggressive for yourself

and the aggressive for your teammates. But if I always was aggressive, attacking the paint,

I just decided when I wanted to score, when I need to get other guys to ball. Who's your favorite guard to watch now? Anthony Edwards. Yeah, yeah, it was he has that mindset of the old school months. I don't have no friends. I'm ready to compete. He has almost confidence that you really don't really see into any people. He feel like nobody can guard them. But one thing I love, he defends on the end. Like he's trying to

guard the best part of the end. And that's something you got to respect because like you said, and then Newly now the stars don't guard the stars. Like when I was in, the point guys had to guard the point guards. Then I was like, I'm going to hide and try to say my energy for the other end. And you know, me, that's just how the league is going. So you see a lot of guys do pick a role to try to get the bad match that they want. And then you go one or one.

I agree. It's my favorite player. I mean, just kind of like this stuff thing. One step has gone. I'd imagine ants going to be the person that I've most like, of all the games are all at the same time. That's an area like ants going to be on one of the TVs. If it's close to the fourth quarter, I'm going to just turn other stuff off because I know, you know, I mean, exactly, I'm telling you, it was your answer, too. But it's funny with him is I almost think he'd be

“better off even though I'd hate it if he just started flopping more. I think he'd take like his”

game to another level of efficiency. But he doesn't, he goes to the rim to kill you. He doesn't go to the rim to trick you or trick the officials. Yeah. And and he's been super frustrated for years now by this of like not getting as many calls as it does. But he doesn't play the foul game at all, which I enjoy as a viewer, but it kind of screws him up. Well, I could agree that because it was the same with me. Like when I drove, they always told me you're too

fast, you're too strong. I'm like, that doesn't have nothing to do with it. If I'm getting fat, I'm getting fat, I want the same calls. And it does get frustrating because I would be on the other hand. I'm seeing guys get calls on like how? Like why is he getting these calls? But I don't know how to flop. I don't know how to foul bait. Like that just wasn't something that was great at, you know what I mean? And even if I did try it like it when I drive and I get that shoulder bump

and I fade away, I'm not getting that call because they're like, you're too fast, you're too strong. But then I go on the other hand, the guy I do, he get the call. But I'm over here taking the bad shot because I don't get the call. So I kind of try to stay away from it, but you got to give a lot of these guys credit and master it. But I don't think you see it doing that. He's trying to put somebody through the rim. Wait, so a ref would tell you you were too fast or too strong?

No, I've asked all the time and I would go to my coach and I don't understand like, I get

“I'm a 63, 64 athletic guard, fast physical, but like I need the same calls everybody else is”

getting like, it's frustrating, but at the same time I'm like, and we have to change the five years that ain't going to change the year six and seven. So you just deal with it. You were very diplomatic in the way that you said, hey, you know, some of these other guys are just really good at it. I look, I have nights where I hit pause on a game. It may be a play I respect, but there could be nights where I just hit pause and I go, I can't, I can't believe

this right now. What do you think of of the players that have mastered it? Because, you know, again, my argument would be if everybody played like this. I don't know how I don't even do much fun to be honest. I wouldn't even say massive it. I just think like, give you a star or you a small guard or God is not like physically bill. They're going to give you those calls, and I mean, it's not a knock to them. You just gotta give them credit for what it is, but I see other players

do the same thing. Those guys are doing, but they don't get the same whistle. You know what I mean? So it's just how to legalize the benefit of the doubt type of thing and stuff that you have to

“deal with. It's frustrating, but it's something you have to deal with. That's how I look at it.”

But I do get frustrated at times and I can't watch this. It's hard to watch.

Yeah, because you're right. Like the benefit to the smaller player, I'll never forget being

gundy sane at once, like on a broadcast or you goes, what big guys have to deal with versus what small guys get away with is so imbalanced. But I mean, you can understand it, right? You can understand it. Then you have Luca who's not small. Get the call. He gets your straight against the next that that horizontal, that parallel paint drive for your like, not even in the paint. And he just throws it up. I guess I've always felt for any of you guys on defense where some of you, you know,

I'm not even talking about you in particular, but like some players is like, I don't want to hear you complain about the call when I know that you live on that same kind of call. But then there's other times I'll look at like a roll guy, you know, 11 points of games playing defense out there and he's like, what am I supposed to do with this right now? Like what I can't, if he wants to touch me, he's going to touch me and then if it's contact, then there's no, there's no debate on like who's

initiating any of this stuff. I just feel like a lot of the offensive players that's going to another level of them initiating the contact. And I know that's not really something that you were doing. Yeah, that's the interesting part. Like you said, the offensive player initiating all the contacts. So as a defender, what do I do, pull the distance there and get bumped off my, because if I get bumped off my path, now I'm out of the pitch, you got to eat the shot. But if I

embrace myself with a bump and stay here stronger firm, I get the foul. So it's like, it's like, you see certain players get certain calls, but then on the other end, if they ever call it on the one time, it's like, they mad everybody. And I'm like, bro, you just got the same call on the other end. But you know what I mean, sometimes you don't get it, but I don't know. It's just, it's hard because if I'm shooting 10 to 12 for the other game, I imagine 30 points too. I don't feel like it's that hard.

If you are ready at 18 to 20 points, you know what I mean? Don't give me wrong. A lot of these guys are very skilled and on a different level, offense, the great footwork, great pace, can shoot the ball and all three levels. Not taking anything away from that game, but I may be able to get 10 to 12 more free throws. I'd be having 28, 30, some points too.

“Yeah, yeah, I think, I think, especially when you start looking at it, it's some of the”

prime years from you. When you think about the end of your career, because the retirement announcement

was after you had played, right? It had been a bit. And was it, was it basically you just

trying to figure out a way to get healthy enough for a team or were there still teams after the clipers that were like, hey, we'll bring you in and it wasn't the right fit for you? No, I really didn't get any calls. I mean, I kind of like kind of like, why I knew when I got traded to get, I knew it was kind of like near the end of it. Let me just be realist with myself. But I started this new career thing, broadcast and something that I wasn't on my radar,

I started off doing it and getting a couple of gigs and doing a couple of things with networks. And I got to give a lot of shout out to a men in Jared, because if we Amazon, they gave me opportunity to come start my next chapter and do broadcasts and then be able to work with a great network and a great team. I mean, and a great team. There may have a lot of great people in my team. But when they call it, it was like, we're allowed to have you on board.

That kind of helped me jumpstart my way of saying, no, I could retire. I mean, because I didn't want to retire, not knowing what was next. And just be sitting at home all day. I wanted to be able to be around a game of basketball, still be able to be around my kids' life and be able to travel. And I get opportunity to do that with Amazon. So that's kind of, I've started my push, push,

for the new chapter, but I'm also a sighted to get away from the game. But I feel like it was

“the right time when it was bad. So without me being in Jared this opportunity wouldn't even”

probably be in a looking for me. I mean, it's the best. Yes, love to work with her. It is. Yeah. Yeah. You've been a great fit on Amazon Prime, John. And I know that you guys have affiliate Detroit, March 12th. And I can't wait Charlotte, it's San Antonio. Yeah, 14th. And awesome San Antonio week here that'll help us have a better understanding of this team that we're both so high on. So thanks again for the time. Thank you for having me appreciate it.

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terms and the schools and supply at Venmo dot me for slash stash terms max $100 cash back per month. You want details? 5. I drive a Ferrari. 355 cabbiole. What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South fork. I have every toy you can possibly imagine. And best of all kids. I am liquid. So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. Life advice. Life advice rrgmail.com. We've got Kyle. We've got serity. We've got pirate updates. I don't know if you guys want to open up

your old corp emails. But our pirate checked in. Thanks for the advice. Pirate light was always

the answer for this country mouse. No one was in pirate attire. Cool. Good for you, ma'am. So they did fuck with him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Save for a pirate. I like how he said save for a pirate theme cake. My custom eye patch was a hit. Hold it right out at tip off of the game to a good reaction. We made the hangover credit style montage video with everyone wearing it throughout the night. My girlfriend got to introduce herself is here with the eye patch guy. There was plenty of beer. You know not not all

girls are to that, but like sounds like you're a friends a cool person if she wasn't if she was down with the eye patch situation. Yeah, this was always the right way. This was the eye patch. Yeah, well, some girls aren't just like, hey, I don't want to be with the eye patch guy. Some girls like that's hilarious. I love that guy and I'm glad you found that person because that's awesome. Yeah, they pulled off the prank. You know, you still had a good time and beer was had by all. I mean

what else? What else do you want? That's awesome. Yeah, he looks like he looks like a good core guy. Yeah, I'm just from his high patch picture. Yeah. Pirate light. Yeah. Yeah, like I've we've got a friend in our group. He's not the most popular. No one ever saves the coolest. He actually takes

a lot of shit to be honest with you, but because he takes so much shit because he's never really

“cared, but maybe that's what you think. What I'm just kidding, whatever. Yeah, right. Maybe you should check”

on that guy. No, I think he enjoys being made fun of like I really do. Yeah, definitely. Should we unpack this a little more? Yeah. I'm telling you. All right, no number 30 years. I think I have it down with he would be more bummed out if he wasn't getting made fun of. Yeah. And then we know one of you paying attention to him. So he has a lot. Yeah. I mean, you guys like him. Like, you know, you know, you know, it's it's. Yeah, but you just like it. Yeah, the word it is kind of

funny. Yeah. Yeah, he did that allowed. Because one time we did there was six of us in the house. We had six cars. So everybody, we did this full breakdown thing where we realized every one's car was like a perfect reflection of them. And would you? Yeah. Well, that's when I had the monster truck with a gator in the back. So, um, so like one guy had a brand new pathfinder.

“It was like mint. But then because I think his dad got it for him, he wasn't a lot of”

drive it at times or like not all of us could get in the car at the same time. So like I remember there was a snowstorm once and we were like, oh, let's just take the pathfinder. It's like a brand new pathfinder. It's the whole reason you have it. He's like, I can't. He's like, my dad's going to freak out.

You're not going to drive it in a snowstorm. And we were like, that's perfect. Because like you

have all the nicest shit, but we're not allowed in your bedroom. Like, it's perfect. And with me, it was like, it's loud. It kind of commands attention. But it's going to mass it dent in the back. So like, there's also something wrong with it. And I was like, thanks. And then the guy that we make fun of all the time were like, Honda court, like fucking A to B gets you there under there. Not flashy. There's not going to be anything about it that you noticed. But 300,000 miles on that

bad boy. And yeah, you know, I'm worried about it. Aficient to have to worry, get you a to be. It was like the least because there was no death to it. So you're just going to like fish. You know, it's exactly what's going to happen. I know exactly. I know exactly the accord you're talking about. Yep. Right. He was like, was it a hand me down? He's like, yeah, it was my sisters. Like, yeah, that makes sense. And then he was just kind of it was like the least there wasn't that

much that was entertaining about describing everybody. Like everybody else had like a specific reason why their car was what it was and why it made the most sense that they had that car. It was unbelievable. It was just like firing off and when offer like an hour. And then the guy that gets made fun of all the time is like, what's mine? What's my car? We're like, yeah, it's not really A to B do Honda court. Like, that's you. And then he was kind of like, thanks. Anyway, the point is

“is that the positives. And hopefully a lot of you have friends like this in your life is that”

he is someone who if he comes and stays here, we can you never have to worry about anything.

Like it's just hey, he's going to be super super leveled the entire time. It's going to be great. There's just never really any issues. And that's what I'm saying about our pirate guy. So I spent way too long on that. So we read an email. Let's see here. Best man bailed on a bachelor party. This doesn't sound very good. 6.1, 220 former D1 Roar had the team record my senior year in front squat with 335. That's awesome. Great numbers. Player comp, a destitute man's Vladimir

red monovitch. Wow. Like if I had some years there, fun fact, one of the very unlucky few to be witness to the live show Ryan had an Atlantic city with maze in Kevin Clark and the handy cap scooter from hell. You were at that. When was that? That was all that predates me. Yeah, it was early, early, ringer days. Shout out to Belvedere Vodka, but they don't just have

“Belvedere run. Yeah, we had a nice Belvedere run. I appreciate what the brand did for us. I think they”

expected me to like hang at the private thing a little bit longer and I maybe I may have ruined it because I was like, alright, I'm going to bed. It was the worst live show. I think I've ever done. There was in the sports book of the Borgata, but the sports book was still open.

So people were so confused. They're like, what the fuck is this guy doing? And that was the first time

I got a dinner with the reps and everything and maze in Kevin Clark were with us and I was like, hey, I think I've got this kind of like 70 minute thing I'm thinking about doing. Like, I want to kind of go out and try to do sort of like a solo thing in the beginning. So if you don't mind, it will be like, well, it's your show. And I was like, yeah, I know. I just like, I know what the plan was. Let's do a threat. This was as pretty round to alert. I got to be. Okay. Yeah.

Wait, so the audience was just dude sitting at the sports book. Like trying to watch games

“and you were just doing a show. It sounded like a hybrid. Yeah, was it was a hybrid, Kyle?”

Well, a student. We're doing comedy at the coffee shop. Sounds like a hybrid, but a hybrid of the part two of Ryan, which nobody wanted. They just want to be like, hey, I got 20 bucks on St. Peter's could you? Exactly. Can you kindly hit F off? My guy. Pretty sure it was a jet's game, like on our Monday night or something. So like, I flew out to AC Sunday. Maybe got in super late, woke up, walked around Atlantic City. Took a cab and was like, hey, just dropped me off a few

blocks from like the the walk. Like I want to, I want to get. He's like, don't get out here. I was like, well, Kai can walk up a couple blocks. He's going, does change. He's like, don't, he's like, you're not. He's a kind of a drop. Yeah. So anyway, spent the afternoon walking around and then went back into the live show, had dinner. And then was like, I have, I practice this monologue in my hotel room, probably for a couple hours, had it down all the beats. I'm like,

I got this told the guys at dinner to like, whatever, walked over to the live show. As soon as I walked in, I just turned to the guys. It was like, I'm not doing it. Like, let's just sit down and talk for a ball for 40 minutes and get the fuck out there. 40. Okay. Is that fine? Yeah. So in the exact amount of microphone, like, all these guys in the bar like in the table, you know, like those high tops in the bar, the turn. Like, what the hell is this guy on the microphone? And then you're right.

beat. And this guy was here. It's in the background. We should, well, I guess we don't have access

“those files anymore. So, it'll be lost to history. Anyway, I have two best band from my wedding”

to match my fiances, two maids of honor. One of them, let's call him Shane. Lies about 25 minutes for me. I'll consider my best friend. We had previously spent seven years living together before I moved in my fiancee, almost long enough for a common law marriage. It's an interesting fact. The other one, let's call him Martin was my closest buddy during COVID when Shane moved home to help his parents. Martin, I did pretty much everything together for most three years.

The point that my parents consider him as another son, Martin moved to the opposite coast for work opportunity about three years ago. So, we only see each other once or twice a year since then. My bachelor party is currently happening in Florida for context where all in our early 30s,

Shane pretty much organized the entire thing, including the itinerary in flying down a day

early to get groceries and beer for the house. I flew in a Thursday along with the rest of the party attendees, except for Martin who was supposed to take a red eye Thursday night and land early Friday morning. On Thursday night after swimming in the pool at the house, I get a text solo, not in the whole bachelor party group chat for Martin, but he wasn't able to come to the bachelor party. Martin is going for just got a puppy a few days earlier and it eaten some grass

on Thursday, which made Martin worried so he called the vet and they told him to monitor the dog. Martin's girlfriend had to go to work so Martin made the decision to stay home and look after the dog instead of come to the party. Shane was more pissed than I was when I showed him the text or Martin for a few reasons, including that Shane is asked about the plan for the

puppy when Martin got it. Dogs normally eats and grass, especially puppies. All of you guys

does that check out? I feel like they fucking eat everything. Grass included. Yeah. The unwillingness of Martin to book a different flight and come later in the weekend and that another of our friends Victor had to bail a few days in advance because he had a massive doctoral program deadline moved up on him to the day of the return of the bachelor party, which made it seem to Shane that Martin had gave the green light to bail with no repercussions like our other friend. Victor was incredibly

guilty about missing the party and came over to my house to personally tell me he had to bail. What should I do about Martin? I can't really take away his best men, his best man title, so close to the wedding and I also don't want to start more drama by doing that. He didn't really understand my frustration when I texted him back after stewing on his message for a few hours. All I said was you'll be missed and his reply was thanks for understanding. Actually not

that nasty of response. Yeah. You'll be missed. Yeah. Handled well. Did not reflect your emotions at the time. The next time I see him will be my wedding, so I can't really confirm there over it while I focus on other stuff. Any advice is appreciated. Seems a little harsh. This is just going to be part of the lore. I think I had a guy who missed my wedding because he was breeding pit bulls and they just had babies. I was really those friends of his wife. He

came up and he's like, "But don't worry, my wife's going to bring her friends." And I'm like, "Oh, great. 100 bucks a play. A person I don't know. But I do love your wife." That's because I've built a number for you. Yeah. And so and he's just the guy. It's like when anything's happening, it's like just make check to see if love, you know, my buddy Doug is pregnant before we commit and it's just we all laugh about it and it's, you know, it's all right. As the guy

who's the star of the bachelor party in the wedding, you don't want to come off like, you know,

“like being nasty or rude about this. But this is just something that has to, has to, you have to”

keep it alive. You have to keep it alive. It'll be funny. Talk about how fun the bachelor party was, you know, be understanding, but also throw some jabs. That's what I was saying here. Your buddy's jobs. It's their job to make him feel like an asshole, not your job. Right. So even at the, even at your wedding, like you shouldn't be worried about this. It's fine. I'm sure he's a nice enough guy. Obviously, you got to London. COVID is like a different world too. So who knows that you

probably didn't, I'm sure there was some peak bonding going on there. So it's, it's all right. But I feel like it's your buddy's obligation to make him feel like an asshole. So if they're listening to this pod, you know, your job. I just don't think that this should lead to him like being reevaluated as a best man restructuring going on at the wedding party. It doesn't sound like he wants that to be the case. He's like, you know, he's almost like, because his response in

the text was cool and pretty chill. And all right, yeah, you will be missed and there you go. Like you can move on and be happy with their situation. He could still be the best man. Everything

“could be fine. So if that's the way that he wants the handle this, like I think that's, that's fine.”

Yeah, the next time you guys plan to trip is like, hey, you know, Dave, make sure your grass has cut before you, before you, before you look, you take it or something like, just let me lose grass around. Yeah, I guess I don't know. So you're saying this is literally not a big deal at all. I mean, you did skip my bachelor party excuse absence, but yeah, I wasn't

other guys, I change the entire dynamic if I show up and maybe, yeah, I mean, people would be pumped,

you know, I'm talking with you. I really don't care. I would have been uncomfortable with how uncomfortable you would have been at the bachelor party. Like, it would have put me on edge. Yeah, there would have been some frequency in there. Yeah. Yeah. No, now the bachelor party science is very specific thing. You know, like everybody, if you could email us about this all the time, it's like, do I invite my brother-in-law, but he's like the outsider to the entire group? And

it's like, I understand what you're trying to do, but honestly, the brother-in-law should say, no, you know, or if there's like an old guy fresh off at divorce, and it's like you with your nine core buddies and you're like 15 years younger than him, and you feel like, all right, we've got the living arrangements, everything, buddy knows their assignments, the whole thing. You just throwing this one wild card to the whole thing. I kind of like that. You're describing something that sounds

like, it could be awesome. I think it was a high variance, but if there's, I think you're in the mind got with the right attitude. I tell you what Kyle, if I ever get married, you can go to the bachelor party. Thank you. Steve, you're off the hook. That's the other thing with bachelor parties, I think, I don't know what his size is, but if you got like 12 guys and two drop out, you're like, oh, okay, I think he said he's a D1 athlete, but if you, but if you have like six guys and two drop out,

it's like, you're actually, you feel that a little bit more. So I don't know, I don't know what his starting number was, but if he lost. Sure. It might, it might hurt a little more if it was like, oh, and you too, you're the, you know, the co-best man, but you know, there's still like nine other guys. It's like, you know, I'm not going to be thinking about it too much. We could all agree though, if you're the best man, this is not a good enough excuse to not go. Right. No, it's, yeah, I would,

yeah, I think it's a little weak, but we also like, what's Martin's girlfriend like? Yeah, how much how much is dog she's working and how much did he cover her in that argument? Do you get it been like, it was the worst argument in my life, and I thought it was going to be over because

“this fucking dog ate some grass. And the only thing I had to do was, what's saying? I'm going,”

you know, yeah. I'd also say, too, like, there are times, you guys seem like you're young enough, but there'll be times for like, older guys are getting married, and there's going to be a guy that lies about not going to your bachelor party because like, he just can't do it anymore, or it doesn't trust himself, or his wife is like, what are you going to do? Are you going to, are you going to drink gin and be weird for 72 hours? You know, so there's, there's like, you know, there's some

guys just for all those numbers. Decisions just being like, I can't actually do this, and it sucks, and it sucks for that person. And then, you know, they'll come back around like a couple years later, being like, hey, I was, I was kind of in a spot there, Laura. You've heard of the phrase out of in ice, because that's exactly where I was. Yeah, so, but it depending kind of like on the age, like nobody at 27's, like, no, I shouldn't do that. You know, it's just like, I can't wait to do that.

All right, let's see here. Oh, we have an update on the guy who should start whether or not

“you should start a son in the basketball tournament. Oh, I, I was, I want to read this. Yeah,”

let me think about him, nonstop. I went with the strategy Ryan suggested talk to the team through my rationale, which they were receptive to. I decided to run a triangle and two defense with my son and their point card, another one of our guys on their stretch five, the good news is that we definitely frustrated their half-core offense. My son held his man without a field goal, also secured a rebound of the opening defensive possession. Oh, that place must have gotten nuts. The bad news is that

it didn't help our offense, where we turned the ball over with reckless abandon and failed to make

shots. So he's still lost by our usual 50 points. All right, there's always next year. I think

ultimately, like, how did the team respond? Was everybody into it? How did the parents feel? So can you send us another email? 30. Shut up to try in the hell, Mary. I like that. Yeah, I guess though, now in hindsight, I'm like, if you knew, I mean, I guess he's saying, hey, I think this could have been the solution. But if you're just going to lose by 50, you can't it probably wasn't worth the hassle. Well, all right, guys are a recess just hammering

“this guy, but like, that great speech. You need to teach a kid out of shoot. There's just such an”

amazing, like, that transition from sweet, awesome kid. Maybe he's 10. And then he's just like on a express lane to shithead at 12. Doesn't happen all of them, but it happens to a lot of. I was covert. I was covert. All the parents love me. I could see that. Yeah.

Did you blame when stuff happened to you, were you always blaming your friends?

I was trying to take stuff for them. Like, please, can you please let him come over? He didn't

“mean to shoot out the fucking light. Like, obviously, like, something somehow happened. Like,”

you know, can we plead? Like, I don't, I don't want him to not be able to come over. I don't want

to not be able to go because they were always more unsupervised. So like, I can go over there and it was like,

dude, I had M games and shit. And I'm like 12 years old. Like, dude, halo, let's go. I don't even think halo should have been M. But there was just plenty more opportunities for me to go over there. So I was always trying to keep them in the good graces. Anyway. Now, we got a blind one here that is pretty intense. So let's go for it. All right, 25 years old, 510, 145, no notable gym stats. But I'm in there putting the work five days a week. Yeah, you are basketball comp, late stage. You don't as hazelnut, no real

court value, a great locker room present. It's out. I hope you don't understand here about this. Apologies and advance for the long email. It's not that long. Don't worry about it. We've got a, we've got a file. I don't know if there's just a call to the long file. I don't know if they'll ever be read. I've been living in Chicago, extra syllable in there. Yeah.

Basically, since college, and have had a blast going out and joined the night life for the

last three years, didn't put up will numbers. But let's just say, I've had my fair share of female women encounters. Great. I've had a life changing event on Labor Day weekend. Took Molly for the first time. Turn 25, a couple weeks later, which really made me evaluate my lifestyle and realize that I've grown tired of it and want to settle down. That's good, because I feel like that's a fork in the road moment that you just keep doing a bunch

of Molly. Like I grew up. You just think like you chose to get that. All right. You signed up for the subscription or imagine. Yeah. He was like, this is all I want to do and I have a condo and for a lottery. I'm breeding pit bulls for a little side money until I can find something steady. How did that guy? Is that guy still in business? Yeah. I mean, he's a teacher as well. It's just another thing he was doing. Nice. That's great. Yeah. You can't get one. You can't get a

discounted. Hey, listen, I'm working through my own thing right now. I'm just we're just trying to get

“the numbers down. Well, we'll reconsider. Let's forget there. Yeah. How many, how many bravets are we?”

Yeah. We're at two. I mean, it's I can't believe this is my life. Shuttle a bra. I mean, is that a new to help? I thought you had three. We did. Is that the podcast that you listen to?

Let's celebrate the rabbit's death. I would never, would never say that. I would. I didn't

say that you didn't say it. I didn't even mean it. I just don't know. Yeah. What's up with this guy? Hey, I know we're down on rabbits, but I got it. They're my friend. This is Hank the Pit Bull. Definitely good luck. By some miracle, I met the perfect girl a week later at a party. We really hit it off unsurprising, considering there was alcohol involved, but I stayed true to my promise to myself and didn't hook up with her since I could see long-term potential with her. After that,

we went out twice, but it felt a bit off, especially after the second day, and she ended things saying that she felt a friendly, not romantic vibe between us. I was pretty bummed out about this primarily due to the fact that I realized that the molly was affecting me still and had made me act weird around her. After a month, I reached back out to her explaining the whole thing and asked for another shot. She agreed and we got drinks again, but at the end, she said that she still doesn't

feel a romantic connection between us. I kind of felt that this time too, so I agreed and suggested that we be friends since I enjoyed talking to her, especially since this time I could be fully be myself. She reciprocated my sentiment. And to my surprise, she then asked me to coffee once followed by drinks at a Christmas bar, another time because she was in the mood for something Christmasy. I love that. I get in the Christmas room at the time. You're her holiday homey.

At the bar, things got slightly weird since we talked about a lot of deep stuff, and there was a lot more physical connection between us. However, nothing further happened. She asked me to meet her and her friends at the bar as that night, but I didn't join since I had a long day ahead. We've been texting since then. I'm starting to get feelings for her again, especially since I have been fully myself around her due to us just being friends. I feel that she just not understands

me, but can relate to me a lot. And on paper, we're truly a perfect fit. So where do I go from here? Do I stay friends of the hopes of her eventually seeing me as a romantic partner? Or is it basically impossible since she's friend zone me twice already? Am I reading too much into our meetups? Deluding myself and I think there's nothing there. If not, how do I go about making her see me in

“a different light? Do I just try to view this as a platonic friendship? Or is the best thing for my”

mental health to cut her off and try to move on? I would hate to lose her as a friend, but I don't know how long I can handle staying in this purgatory state. Love the pod. Thanks in advance.

Since you're 25, my first thought is like, I mean, again, how much attention is she getting from

everybody else? Are you truly in this friend zone thing? Or has something shifted? I don't know. Is she somebody who gets a lot of attention and then if she's not getting any, say around Christmas time, she's like, hey, I want attention. And you're kind of like a adult. Yeah. You're kind of like a default attention guy because if when I'll finish here, but part of me thinks, I give you actually

“wanted a data and I hate saying this around this age range, but you have to convince her you have”

no interest in her. Unfortunately, that's the game that you've signed up for. Or are you just hanging around the hoop for a while and she just eventually comes around, but that's a miserable place for you to be in. And I wouldn't write on you do that.

Yeah, so I was hooking up with this guy. He says bodies and say, no way. Yeah, really. That's

God. He sounds like he doesn't have an awesome body. Another Cosmo. Yeah, it's unfortunate because the, the agreed to be friends thing, like the woman will totally be like, yeah, that's what we agreed to. And the guy's like, yeah, but until when, and that's how you end up with, like, do hanging around your girlfriend that she swears her friends because she believes that and he's just, like, in waiting. So it's unfortunate that she's totally able to commit to this,

and you can't think about anything other than getting out of this, which is why I think what Ryan said

“is correct. You have to be sort of uninterested or maybe just unavailable sounded interested,”

and but they'll come aggressively uninterested. There you go, unavailable to, you know, if it,

it might even, he might like this girl so much. He can't even force himself to show

this interest, but he can't show unavailability. I'm just so busy. That might work. Right. Well said, Ka. And, like this, this may sound like a little bit harsh, but I mean, Ryan, you brought this up multiple times. Like, you're kind of just attracted to someone when you see them or not. And if she's putting you in the friend zone and saying, I feel like this is more of a friend thing, then it is like a, like, a relationship type thing, then that's a hard thing to

overcome. You know, like, you now have to turn into, like, being sexy guy as opposed to a friend guy, and if you were putting friend guy mode, that's just not a little bit. There's a pirate theme party you could go to, really. Yeah. Can you be sexier, man? Can you be, yeah, don't talk to her. Maybe that'll, maybe that's the, that's the play. Yeah, if her chance to miss you a little bit, if it's just like, you know, she's ready to unload

her week of work on you again, and it's just like she knows you're going to listen. It's going to be a little different than you guys haven't seen each other for a month. Maybe you, you know, just got your hair cut. I mean, try to plan it around something like that. Yeah. I mean, it's a brutal spot. It's, it sucks, because it sucks when it's like, I look forward to this text. I, we just hit it off. You know, when you know, you kind of know, but

um, there's also a little lesson in here too when it's like, I wanted to hold off on anything because I knew she could be the one. It's like, yeah, you excited that you were the only one that wanted to go to Hamlet with her. So let's skip that on that viewing this weekend. So low Maddie way. Same patty. So I know that's not really good for holding off, but

“same patty's just coming up. I mean, that could be a fun, fun activity, you know, who knows? Who knows?”

I, yeah, I feel like you're watching outside cars. And then fall back, then fall back. No, that's not good. I feel like you're actually not the bad spot though unless like he's just going to really bum you out, but like just like have fun kind of live your life with her in the vicinity of you. And yeah, maybe that makes her jealous. And she's into you or maybe you just find somebody else who's super cool. And then everyone's kind of happy here. Yeah, and what can you hand 25?

What can you actually handle? Because if she's definitely friends with you and you're going to hang around the room to some point, most of you may lie to themselves for a little while. But like, oh, you know, she's got some great friends and we're all meeting up. And it's like, you just, you care about this person. So you like having the time with them. But and then you send the essay text. Thank you. Which you could. And you also don't want to be the, the, oh, man,

Brian's here again with her friend group, like you just hanging around. It's not happened to do, you know, you don't want to be that guy either. Yeah, unfortunately, you're probably just going to have to, I think we've all involved. You know, I mean, there's an MBA today. But you're going to have to likely let her know your just is not interested, even though it's not true. Happy hunting. Because I just don't know that anybody goes like, oh, this person, that's an option that I'm not

excited about right now. But I enjoy their company. You know what, a year later, something bad. She would have to just be with a terrible boyfriend and be like,

that says no matter what support your husband and his pursuits.

Maybe that wasn't the message of the movie. I don't know if there's a joke in there. If it wasn't for me. I didn't see it. For the people that did see it. We're going to have Adnan when we have them Thursday, because Oscars are Sunday, right? That's you. Yeah. I've seen, we were talking about something phone. I've seen, what have you seen? I've seen, I haven't seen F1, I saw centers, I saw Marty Supreme. What's one? I saw one battle. I saw Frank Rose. I thought Ryan,

you could probably skip Frank this time. Yeah, I forget I was late. I don't know. I'm going to get

“Frank in standing. I'm going to have one more. I think I'm going to get to seven of the best pictures.”

Which is pretty good. Last year was, last year was a light year for me. I tried to, you know, a Nora and the brutalist back to back weeks is a lot. You still haven't seen another one of those? Maybe they're not going to see a Nora. I would see the brutalist, but why are you three hours such to stay? I don't know, Nora. Do you think it's worth watching? Yeah, okay. I do like, it's like a change your life, but I, not like one battle.

Well, I don't, I don't like that. Like this one best picture. It's not going to change your life. I feel like best picture. We should have higher standards in that. It should change your life. Just every movie that wins best picture. No, man, because your life changed that much. God, Steve. I can't wait to get your replies today. What's up with Steve? Sure. I don't know. There's no dude. Have you

“seen, I guess that is fair. Everyone has their own things, but, you know, yeah, there's some,”

there's some movies. Like, I guess Marty's brim didn't change my life. I enjoyed Marty's Supreme. Change Shellam is like, and that means we got that same as you. We got to talk about this. We got to talk about this. We got to talk about this ballet thing, opera thing. Maybe we just saved it for Adnan, but yeah. This was one of the sides of the internet. It was okay. He, it was a mistake. He probably shouldn't have said it, but like calm down. Like we need to calm it, collectively calm down.

Did he kind of do a, hey, I have black friends thing. I just started talking about it. Everybody in his family that's in the ballet. Yeah. Was that, but he do the damage control already? If there was something that I saw that was like, hey, you know, I didn't really mean to dump on ballet. Was that I, in, by the way, like, my sister's in the ballet or something like that. I was like,

he's, that's, his point is correct. Could we, could we acknowledge that? Like, he's basically

talking about for the people that haven't, don't know. You co-sign with him blindly all you want me. All right. No. Yeah. Wonderful. Kind of hit kind of knew that he was stepping on a grenade there, too, based on his facial expression. Kind of hey, new executives. Yeah. He's looking at it. He's like telepathically

“trying to get newshead being like, hey, buddy, you need to 180 this. But yeah, he's basically,”

I don't, I don't want to save the movie, the, like, movie theaters. Like, it's, I don't feel like it's my job to do that in the same way that, you know, people aren't saving opera or ballet, just those things are, I think he called them dead or whatever, like, not relevant or something. It was, it was aggressive. It was, it was hurtful. But hey, not what they got. It was a thousand Italians

until he's wrong about it. Hey, as a guy who backed up Will Smith and never stopped.

Hey, he won the afternoon. Yeah. Exactly. You backed Will Smith. Yeah. How do you? Yeah, and this whole TI 50 set thing. Everyone's like, what's going on with your boy 50 set? Like, I don't know how to support him. Hope he doesn't make any of those guys fighting. Yeah, I don't like all those guys. That's one of those, like, just, you know, your two, your two buddies fighting. It's not going to say no.

Well, that's good to hear, guys. We'll get the latest on that later this week. That'll do it for the show. Thanks to Tom and Kevin, also, Kyle and Serruti. Please subscribe. And we'll have 10 good minutes tomorrow on YouTube. Some spurs thoughts, perhaps. Or no, I might say that until a little later the week. I obviously tease some of the thoughts that I have a child wall. But yeah, we got another, it's the Resolo staff party game in the week.

That means Denver, OK, see you're playing each other because we'll work on. Maybe we'll hop on FaceTime and have a beer and get it. Yeah, I do that probably on FaceTime. Yeah. Yeah, get it going. I've had maybe even so you got something that you'd love. Yeah. Yeah, I do that. All right. I'll do for the show, Ryan, we'll show our special sports. [Music]