The Clippers’ Massive Penalty & Is Kawhi the Worst Partner in Sports? Plus Clay Matthews Stops By!

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in free-to-place sports contest availability varies by state. Limited Time Offer. Well now we know all the details of the investigation by the NDA's law firm that was hired regarding the Clippers. And Coi Leonard and the punishment is massive. It's a massive fine for the Clippers. There's even a fine for Coi Leonard and then most importantly it's the five draft picks. Ballmer's going to be away from the team for a year. Lawrence Franks

can be away from the team for six months and then Juliet Zucker who's a main character in this story who's the president of Clippers Business Operations. She's going to be away from the team for a year. So I want to go through some of the stuff from the rapport and then obviously have some thoughts at the end.

There's so many layers to this and again credit to Pablo Tory for being on this and ultimately

getting it right and the work that he's done and you also have to sit back and think of aspiration and their founders not cut up and court. He sent us the 14 years for fraud like does any of this ever get out because there's one very easy assumption to be made here and that if you're involved in aspiration and then all of a sudden all your financial dreams are shattered and maybe you didn't know what was going on. Currently there are a lot of people who are going to be

so upset that we want to talk about all these different layers which led to the Coi part of this but that's not the only company in this rapport and of course like we can go through the pages and pages of this and understand like what the Clippers would say that this is a weak argument or this is it's just it's layer on layer on layer. It keeps coming. It's an avalanche of information in inconsistencies and arrangements that don't make any sense so I think reasonable people can conclude like

I think the NBA got this thing right. So the funny part again maybe this isn't funny for a lot of people but back in 2019 when Coi was you know was you going to go to the Lakers? Was you going to go to the Raptors? You're going to stay there? Was you going to go to the Clippers? I remember being told by someone that said the offer for Coi starts at the max

“because that's what other people were being told like if you want to get into the Coi business”

the offer starts at the max which was like four years, 170 something million dollars.

Because of those rumors. Again if I'm hearing it that means

that other people would have because everybody got substituted like to talk about all this kind of stuff

“and because that was such a known thing in 2019 the NBA investigated kind of the pursuit of Coi”

Leonard and they even enacted a rule essentially because of Uncle Dennis Coi's Uncle who's a major major character in all this as well where it was like a reminder that teams could not introduce players to business opportunities in ways that could be defined as circumventing the NBA cap system. Okay so that whole rule exists because of what happened in 2019. So then you have Gillian Zucker we mentioned before in the report it really puts her in the

cross-series because of emails because of statements because of statements from other witnesses where the Coi from the report says Zucker quote made several statements inconsistent with documents and other witness statements. Lawrence Frank is kind of praised in this a little bit for his honesty at the end of page eight of the report to clarify the rule here it says quote a team representative

“recommends one of the team's players to a team sponsor as a candidate for an endorsement arrangement if”

teams are approached by business partners or other third parties regarding a potential business

relationship with the player team should respond solely by providing third party with contact information for the player and or his agent a team representative initiates or facilitates an endorsement relationship between a team sponsor and one of the team's players. So basically the report says the rules are clear the teams are not permitted to affirmatively make introductions of players to a potential third party business partners i.e. teams may not recommend an

issue facilitate induce or assist in a player's off court business relationships and certainly not as a part of a plan to help generate off court income for a player. So I would guess as I read through this last night the clippers position all along has been if they want to go with a loose interpretation of like okay but what are we really talking about like if we have a business deal that's through the team and they're like hey we want to make sure we get a player to do an

endorsement like that's all fairly reasonable again I just like that word a lot that you could understand how that would kind of happen how one side could say hey you know look like what are we doing here of course there's business relationships and you know somebody's it's some sort of fundraiser

and they meet him like what are we actually doing wrong here but the problem is as you dig through

the rest of the report it's pretty clear based on this release here by the law firm that investigated this that it's like it's a little bit more than hey do you want to meet Uncle Dennis all right and you're also if a player a player's agent or a family member or any representative of that player if they ask you for extra income other stuff like this and it's not according to the rules the team is actually supposed to sell for poor which you know I don't know if that was

ever realistically going to happen it may not happen boom forward unless it's going to scare the shit out of every other NBA team that you know I would say there's things you hear about where we even celebrated some of it in the past you know whether it was Kevin Durant going to the warriors and it was just openly talked about all of this access that he was going to have to all of the startups and silicon valley and all these different things and it's just like oh yeah that makes

it turn a sense like what a great move for him there was some headline the other day about how Durant put a hundred thousand dollar investment into some company that was acquired by somebody

“else you know it's ten years later and I think the report was saying that he was going to”

clear sixty million on this the difference is that's an investment and investment opportunity

some of them work some of them do work or some of them don't work and in that case is Durant like I don't this is not the same thing when you look at the traffic of all the stuff that's in this report regarding the clippers and quiet so there's there's a fascinating part of this where it's like peak COVID the games aren't happening you would think companies would be a little reluctant to maybe do massive multi-million dollar endorsement deals with an MBA player once again

when it's peak COVID it's like hey should we worry about the future of our company to be is the world going to end hey let's sign Kawai for a couple mill I mean you could see here and say well that isn't necessarily prove anything it proves that it doesn't make any sense all right because then when you watch the timeline of this or read the timeline of this they make some introductions during COVID and then Kawai files with his business partners for

an LLC during peak COVID and these are companies it's not just aspiration it's these other companies that hadn't ever done endorsement deals with any kind of athletes again you could argue well hey

favorite Kawai Leonard commercial that you saw over the last few years oh wait according to records here within weeks of records of Kawai and his reps being introduced to two of these companies two of the companies received ten million dollars each so the traffic on the money consistently shows that there's probably some agreement between Kawai and the company that's organized by the clippers on the business side of things all right and then the companies somehow get that money back

all right which you know again if you wanted to be loose with it it's like well if you're going to do something for us like we're going to invest in you we're going to spend money with you you're going to spend money back with us that's what aspiration was obviously hoping for which I'll get to here a little bit later there's a third company involved in this where they make a two million dollar payment to Kawai and then the company receives a two million dollar payment from the clippers

for consulting the problem is is the company in question has never consulted anything

the electronics part of this the scoreboard people right they're asked same deal like

“we'll spend on you but you have to spend with us which again I think is totally normal but the”

conclusion based on the support is that well you're going to spend with us but you're going to spend it on Kawai and then in the second year there's there's almost a bit of a I wouldn't call it a threat but it's in the situation of if you're not going to renew Kawai on the new terms here like we may have to revisit our terms of relationship between the clippers and electronics one witness very late in the investigation told the firm that the consulting payment their words

was called a ruse and there's a lot of information here that basically feels like the lures are like it's coming in there's so much that's coming in now because it's all out there in the open and all of these parties that are involved with all these different companies and people questioning some of these payments that it it almost felt like a waterfall of information that was relevant to the investigation where the lures finally had to be like all right

we got it we're going to wrap this thing up even though they point out themselves they're still ongoing stuff that they're looking into that brings us to all the different elements of the aspiration you I mean I could just read you page and page and page and I'm not going to do that here so I went through at this morning to try to summarize to make it you know a little quicker here but there's just so much correspondence here between Zucker between Kawai's agent between

Uncle Dennis and then Sandberg who's with aspiration where they're all like trying to figure out how this is all going to work again based on what I have in front of me here and so Zucker had told investigators that oh this introduction that you're talking about what have been against the NBA rules and then she later says that the team previewing any endorsement deal

“is standard practice but here's the thing is that they ended up using somebody that works”

under her who's not necessarily a clippers employee but is under a retention agreement to actually structure the Kawai endorsement deal and this person who's structuring this deal is basically saying like

I'm doing this because aspiration doesn't know what they're doing because they've never done

an endorsement deals before so there's an email that says quote of help you draft thoughts for Kawai offer so if you want to argue if you're on the clipper side of this it's like hey if we're introing different people for different business relationships and you know letter the law like there's some loose interpretations here which I think is kind of in the clipper's position the entire time like wondering hey what will this work there's just too many smoking guns where you have somebody

suggesting in an email who is under retention again for the clippers who works underneath miss sucker saying helping you draft thoughts essentially for Kawai offer so then the structure of the deal originally was 5 million cash 7 million equity per year for Kawai they wanted that flip the round and they got it so it's 7 million dollars cash 5 million dollars equity which would equal 48 million

“again depending obviously that equity's not worth shit now which is even higher I think through the”

original 38 million dollar number that we'd heard regarding Kawai and aspiration on Pablo's first

stuff but then the beauty of this report is different people at aspiration being like hey what the fuck are we doing so in December 21 Sandberg discusses with senior aspiration executives desire for the company to enter into endorsement agreement with Leonard on the terms described above Sandberg did not have the authority to sign such agreement on aspiration's behalf and according to

authority was swift and uniformly negative quote I have no idea why we do this wrote one senior

“executive this is not a good investment of our capital it's 48 million over four years of Kawai”

who is not a big name well we can argue that a little bit not sure why we would make such a commitment considering we were already paying a huge sponsorship fee to the clippers and then once that's relay to Sandberg he tells the aspiration executives quote the clippers are asking us to do this with Kawai Leonard and that you know in a paraphrase here essentially it's like hey we do this and they're going to buy back a bunch of business from us and this is kind of how it's going to work

which again if this is true it's circumventures the cap but from a business standpoint it's like hey we're going to invest in them they're going to invest in us what makes it even funnier though is that on page 28 of this if you actually start getting into this agreement where the clippers are going to use aspiration for all of these different things aspiration in the

“clippers over the next several months negotiated the terms of a sustainability services agreement”

for the forum these negotiations included a number of highly unusual developments that race concerns among clippers executives and established for investigators that there was more of the transaction than merely a sustainability related deal Scott Sonneberg the clippers chief commercial officer wrote in a March 22 text exchange with Eric Chan then clippers chief financial

officer quote I never wanted this forum deal always knew it was super shady I cannot begin to tell

you all the red flags of these deals just doing what I'm told at this point a notable example from the report while a deal was described by the clippers to investigators as an effort to quote zero out the historical carbon emissions from forum it did not start with any meaningful analysis or calculation of those emissions instead the initial draft of the deal's term sheet from January 22 contained a headline a heading entitled business back opportunities and added to be

filled by Eric Chan seven million back in business so the deal was that the clippers was spent seven million a year with aspiration which is the same amount of cash out to why from aspiration and that it would be this seven million year deal and that the budget for

this clean emissions thing with aspiration would be 28 million seven million a year over the

four years and that there was really nothing else to it it's like hey you have 28 million to spend on this and even the people involved were like what what is going on and then there was a delay in getting that signed off on the clippers spending the money with aspiration and that's where Sandberg starts losing his shit and that's all on page 30 where he's like this deal is going to explode we're going to go to Dennis we're going to go to Kauai we're going to tell him

the deal's off because we got fucked and it just goes on and on and on and on I can't believe that ESPN like look when Ethan and I were taping a pot on a Monday a report comes out from ESPN from awesome reporters where you're like hey I guess nothing's going to happen here and then we take and I for the life of me can't understand why I guess the clippers wanted that win

“for the afternoon like no one's ever going to remember that it's going to be a face going to be”

very rarely are you going to talk about this with anybody that cares about this stuff's for years from now I'm going to like hey remember when ESPN had the thing for the afternoon where it was like yeah nothing to see here it's fine because I guess that's kind of the message the clippers are sending out to everybody and I'll tell you right now when the NBA saw it they were like what like everything's good okay and that's why later on it was after we had taped

it was like yeah that's not true and so you kind of didn't really know what to believe it just like why would why would this report on this huge story that's been going on for almost a year like why would why would this come out and be totally not true but that's basically what happened I even had like a two-day window I was like oh I guess that's over I'm like silver is getting people are going to be like oh bomber silver bombers two powerful two big to fail like they're

not going to mess with them or it's hey there's always kind of these gray area things like I

hear about stuff all the time I'm sure look Shaq did a sit down with somebody recently where he talked about wanting 150 million to sign with the lakeers and Jerry West is like I'm going to offer you 130 but you're going to get another 50 million to do movies like what what rule is that oh the rule is Shaq was in movies so if Shaq being in LA and being arguably the biggest star in the league one of and he was in all sorts of movies like he was actually doing stuff because I'll

ask you again what was your favorite quiet winter endorsement like that commercial was hilarious

took you should remember this next time you're upset about how long something is taking because like I'd said at the beginning it's clear from this report that the law firm was like

the shit never ended so people thought it was taking forever because there was nothing there and I

“think that's what the clippers were arguing like out as taking forever because they got nothing”

it was taking forever because I don't think the information ever stopped and finally they go like do we get a hit print on this thing the balmer silver thing was not a factor something other teams are definitely worried about um i mean he hammered him as silver said this is a cardinal sin circumventing the cap he's used that phrase before and he carried through on that belief with this punishment um you know I've talked about like the gray area stuff like hey what's your

shooting if you're in this market versus that one you hear some weird stuff about like ticket things like I mean I've heard all sorts of shit I don't care I'm not really a reporter doesn't really bother me there've been times with this or I'm like I wonder what how bad this actually is and based on all the findings in this report again if you want to sit there and say well these are just findings doesn't mean anything that sure that's what the clippers are saying today

clippers balmers lawyers already threatened to sue I guess because there's an arbitration process between the players and league that is different from what would have to happen here so I guess you could sue and the lawyer already went out there and said oh this is a reputable harm to his reputation all kind of stuff so you're like all right but the five picks the fine the you can't be at the games for a year like anybody that thought silver was going to go soft on balmer because

of the relationship because balmers the richest guy in the league that didn't happen either

“then you get to kawai who I had said prior to this I think is the worst partner in team sports”

in the last however many decades you know maybe there's a element of you were year a burn it all down person really like good for kawai good for local dentist fuck everybody else somebody's gonna give you all this extra money because you're asking for it which they were asking for all the time then you know make the game work for you I can see that right I can I can see that conclusion I don't know who's rooting for the clippers other than people that

root for the clippers because I don't think anybody's gonna read this and be like oh that was unfair but the kawai part of it like this is somebody's like the only guy that's ever had a problem with the spurs this free for all in 2019 which leads to a rule that no one was ever going to follow anyway hey we get this really special player but they're asking for some stuff on the side including travel we'd want to sell for port I just don't even know if that's necessarily going to happen

because again now this becomes public without the aspiration element like that's the part of it where it's like okay so now these guys are in court like uh oh but kawai back to this so it's 10 first round picks and two swaps in SGA to get to the kawai letter business for the clippers and going back remember it was all the picks for the the Paul George kawai acquisition so at that time I didn't have a problem with it most of us did not have a problem with it I mean we

could sit there and talk about SGA after the fact I've never seen a lot of people he's kind of nice

things going to be two time MVP right with a ring already in his back pocket at this age but that deal was ridiculous because all kawai had to do in 2019 it's go to the clippers be like hey I want to play with Paul George but I'm going to come here and we'll figure all out instead they've got the clippers operating blindly here while okay see I think is being hooked up with information because Paul George wants out because he's already in house the clippers don't

have an in-house part of this as far as a player's concern so they're dealing blindly and if you're the front office going a ballman being like we can have kawai in Paul George if we do all of these things like every team's going to do that in 2019 right so we can't go back and pretend in like doing audit on this and say oh they shouldn't have done it all right that's not what I'm saying

but the problem is instead of kawai like thinking about hey I want to partner up with the

“clippers like what's the best way like if they keep an extra pick or they keep SGA like how”

but I just tell them but it's very clear like he's just a mercenary about this stuff so good luck it in business in the business with them I mean look at the contract stuff so he gets the four years one seventy six when he does that deal he plays a hundred and sixty one games over the four years of that contract but gets an extension for three years a hundred and fifty million during the season in twenty four when he's actually started to play again because he's playing

sixty eight games and it can't help but think of like the way this crew operates it's like all right there's our playing some games because that had here other stories like when he was out and

he looks awesome probably another month you know and here's like oh that's that must be awesome like he shows up works out in front of the rest of the team and then is like doesn't tell anybody

what he's going to do that sounds fun because you give him another hundred and fifty million

it's pretty clear the game the other hundred and fifty million because they're already so connected to him and so I also can't help but think with a year left on the deal he just had like one of the best seasons of his entire career plays a bunch of game I mean he was unbelievable this year and you're like is it because he loves basketball or is it because he's thinking about all right what am I going to get from Toronto I can't wait to see what that Toronto deal is

because it's going to be favorable my last thought is I don't think you could do a tribute video when Kuwait comes back to play with Toronto I'm going to there's some tribute video

“thresholds and I think are a little too low in this league and I would suggest probably not putting”

together some b-roll if Kuwait actually dresses for that game there's something for everyone when it comes to races I'm old school I know that's not going to surprise you whether it was the individual cups or that nice house at the end of the street that decided to go full pack on you

it was always the option my father would steal after Halloween I've gotten through that with a lot

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go get Reese's wherever you shop we've been telling you about Netflix getting involved in the NFL coverage and kicking off week one we've got the Niners and the Rams from Melbourne Australia that's 830 Eastern time 530 Pacific time for that kickoff and part of the coverage of this game he's going to be over there with Netflix six time pro baller it's Clay Matthews good to see you man good to see as well yeah I'm really looking forward to that 15 hour flight over to Australia but the good news

is I don't have to play like the 49ers in the Rams do which you know I that's unprecedented I'm I'm I'm interested to see you know how they feel yeah I mean it's it's a lot to ask you big guys to get on a plane for that long have you in your preparation for this like have you talked to anybody or like how as I've read different things like how the approach is going to go here but like it's not like you wanted to just shoot over there from night game you know well I truly don't

know because I mean I'm sure as you're aware and for the listener out there you got the 49ers who I think went over yesterday if I'm not mistaken and so they're going to acclimate get on whatever time zone that is and then show up to play but that means they're going to be playing a 10 30 AM local game which means they're going to have to wake up at 4 5 6 AM whatever it is which is earlier than any game they've ever played in the States and then you got the Rams on the

other hand that are just like I was just gonna just gonna fly down there touching go and we're just going to go get this win and get on out of there but I can only imagine fly and let's just assume it's 15 hours and then getting off the plane that has to do something to your body I mean I take it straight we you know when I was in Green Bay we'd go to the West Coast I mean that was long enough

“as it is so that's why I truly don't have the answer for you as far as what's the right approach”

and then we'll sit here after that game and say oh the Rams got it right because they want or the 49ers got it right because they won yeah the Rams may have gotten it right because they

look like an absolute powerhouse of a team I think they did yeah yeah yeah I've I've I always hate

me and is Chockey as I am with this season and I could tell it like it feels a little disrespectful to Seattle considering they're also in the division but when you load up like the Rams do I guess let's just start here like how do you see the Rams and the other contenders in the NSC yeah I think on paper and barring any injury how can the Rams not win the NSC how could they not I know it's disrespectful to Seattle but you look at that NSC championship game last year

Sam Donald those for 353 touchdowns so what are the Rams do they go and shore up their secondary make Duffy Watson bring him in and then their d-line which wasn't a problem you know they had versed already they go well we're going to think about adding miles Garrett oh and by the way we're just going to add Aaron Donald on top of that as well so through my point to your point

maybe they end up as a wild cartoon and and go on out to fill your green bay or some inclement weather I mean we saw it was a close game with Carolina in the wild card last year but

“you're right I think the Rams should be the front runner in the NSC yeah it's single elimination”

so we can sit here and say like oh what happened and you go well you know if you end up on the wrong side of the turnover margin like there you go um which I know you've experienced in your playoff

career on top of everything else the Niners are always a default team for me like however bad you

think they're going to be they can't enough that I thought they were going to be really bad by the way I think I've begrudgingly like held on to be like all right they'll get through this year Shanahan I'll get to the Super Bowl this year this year I I probably have more doubt with them than I have had in a long time or I'm like I don't think I can just round them up to the Niners figuring out a way to get 10 wins and then it's like let's see what happens and who's healthy in the

playoffs yeah you know you're absolutely right I think I went back and looked at San Francisco's record last year I couldn't believe that they what was it like a 11 maybe 12 wins last year I thought it was remarkable and that's a testament to Shanahan and what he was able to do

Mac Jones and obviously CMC staying healthy for a full 17 games but you're absolutely right you look

you know they add Mike Evans you know Hall of Famer hasn't been able to practice much and seem to have some type of soft tissue injury every year hopefully you can go out there and get a thousand yards I'm a big fan of his but keep him Brock Peri healthy George Kittle is he is he not going to play

“I know Nick Bose to just practice I think injuries are a real thing and I think that's been”

their Achilles heel no pun intended and you're going to have to show me otherwise they're going to be a contender but it's just going to be a meet grinder over there in the NFC West and you know who comes out on top will most likely be the number one seed and then after that you know you're not going to have some tough wildcard matches matchouts do you feel like the linebackers have become the running backs where it's like there was nobody cares about us anymore nobody wants to pay us

anymore like what inside linebacker we you come on inside linebackers yeah I mean the edge guys to me are kind of like sure you're a right outside linebacker but you play into the dirtier past Russia right you're not so yeah I mean we want to go like old school middle linebacker inside linebacker I don't even know how many guys were even talking about nationally anymore now you're right I think uh absolutely but I tell you what if you are talked about it means you're an absolute dog

so Fred Warner for instance you know the leader of that defense even if Bose says the sexy pit because he's the past Russia 12 14 17 sacks whatever it is Fred Warner's that guy and you look around the league I mean help me out there's anyone else gone from the Eagles who we talk about what's there you want one or two when they're AP you know all pro one or two otherwise you're right I mean the sexy position is past Russia outside linebacker because that's

past Russia's or past growers and past Russia's yeah Fred is just another planet and we're huge Fred fans he came on the show like four times after he got hurt and then we're like is this guy actually going to be able to come back for this whole thing he's just it's unbelievable to see somebody like him be able to turn and run and cover basically anybody that's I mean you wouldn't want to put him against receivers all day long but it feels like oh so he's just going

to turn and run with this guy and like he's not lost because I think the inside guys are always

the ones that are attacked a lot because it's just like it's so hard for them to turn and then me coordinated enough to still get up and be past break and it's like almost like Fred feels like he's baiting quarterbacks like he's a corner at times no you're right it's like the great inside backers you almost feel like they could be a past Russia you know it's like they missed their they're calling of making you know will Anderson money fifty sixty million dollars and they play

“inside but I think like you had mentioned that's why they're able to cover cover backs out of”

the backfield tight ends wide receivers and they're just folks to re-brille too you know I think the days of just a you know a thumper it's over you know that's why they're usually understies but they can run you know I'm going back to bond with you know Philadelphia like you would look at him and say I doesn't look like you know the Jack Lambert's and the Ray Nitsky Ray Lewis for that matter but they can move they can run in their smart I think Luke

Keakley was you know prime example he was just so smart knew the play before it was force coming I wonder with the way like defenses have gone light we were talking about this on the show with somebody this week like the defenses go light the bases and three four the bases like what's your nickel I mean that's been going on for years anyway because you just like hey we get a throw another corner out there and now we are seeing like a new peak of like run place and

I wonder if like the cycle comes back around where we see the Teddy Bruceky with the neck roll being like we actually need a 270 pound body that we think can get side to side out there

will come back around but if people keep running they're going to have to get out of these

“light formations I imagine now you're right I think on this no different than when people”

that well because technically I was a three four outside linebacker but it was all dependent on are we in nickel dime or are we in base like I'm just an outside backer you know when you talk about the run game too I mean you got guys like I thought Derek Henry had a down year last year I thought and then I go and check his yard they're like I ran for 1500 yards I must have been being boozelled by his fumble early in the year or fumble is that he had but it's remarkable I mean

say quann rush for 2000 just two years ago I mean I do think the league is cyclical and we'll see how this plays out but yeah I mean we we were in an era of just airing it out and I think we're still in that but you're right if you've got guys who are easily hitting a thousand yards rushing then big boys might have to come back in the middle I like your career I mean I know it was hard and I want to go over some of this stuff whether it was high school SC walk on and then but you

know you get to green bay how much of your success I mean clearly there's a ton of talent and athleticism in there but how much of your success do you think was a coach because I know you had multiple ones where they're like oh wait with clay like we kind of have to let him kind of do his thing like maybe we're gonna let him float a little bit more like did you feel like there was a switch I mean I know you killed that a season came in but a switch of like a belief

from the defensive coaches being like you know if we do some more creative stuff with him like he's

“gonna figure it out he's not a liability out there yeah I think for me and and I I talk about”

this in hindsight now because you know if you're familiar with my career I didn't start I think I started one game as a red shirt junior so my fourth year but my last final year I ended up starting three or four games in and I only had four and a half sacks that year so I wasn't known as you know I flashed on a very good defense as you're aware we had Ray Maluga, Brian Kushing, Taylor Maze, Kevin I mean littered with NFL talent guys who got drafted guys who made an impact in the league so

I think that helped me out first and foremost and then the packers just kind of seeing something

seeing somebody who's a little rough seeing the genetics the the background the makeup I just needed one and then I think once I got in there they they put all the trust in the world into me they you know they gave up I think three draft picks to trade back in after taking BJA Rosy with the number nine overall pit so at that point Dom Capers had just come over he was

“going to implement his new three four defense you need you know a stud in the middle with BJA”

and you need a pasture we already had Charles Woodson Nick Collins in the back end so we were just a few little pieces and they brought BJA and myself up to his office Dom Capers that is and told us hey you're going to be the face of this defense and it's going to go through you so to go from being a walk on and just kind of scratching and clawing and trying to get some special team reps in some garbage time play to you got the keys now obviously you know they were going to

find a way for me to flourish and part of that was rushing on the outside part of that was you know lining up in these these these chaotic defenses where there's only one down lineman and a bunch of moving pieces and then you know later are Mike well actually in the middle of my career when they move me to inside backers well felt like you know they just I I could do it all and you know could help out many facets if you go back to that like were you

recruited at all like I mean all you went oh yeah I mean for the big boys because I know you're preferred or I don't know if it was preferred walk on back then at SC and obviously we get the family history and the whole thing but like what was your recruiting process like for you especially knowing the family's history and top everything else? So my junior year when my dad was the defensive coordinator my junior year I did not start I developed went through puberty very late

like junior year high school was so much fun you know when you're not there right there with you buddy hey when I was the worst they would give us our spirit pack and we either had a short

sleeper a cut off I would never wear the cut off because I was embarrassed because I didn't have

armpit hair when I did the bench so I used to hide it at the water fountain yes it was the other basketball players would do this and I'd be like oh man oh basketball was the worst I had to wear an undershirt just because I was I was embarrassed but anyway junior year didn't start my dad's a defensive coordinator no nepotism there senior year I put on like in between my junior and senior year I put on about 40 pounds I grow about two or three inches but I'm like a giraffe you know I just I'm not

coordinated I've got you know some football acumen but I just I'm not the greatest athlete I was okay and I think one double a I think that's what FCS schools now northern Arizona were coming after but

home in southern California they were rolling coming off I think either an orange ball victory or a national yeah orange ball victory over over Iowa and you know best decision I made not because it's

“the career path that I think most people would want especially in today's day and age where”

everybody when it gets tough they just transfer or go to the next you know opportunity but it it molded me and kind of gave me that resilience that allowed me to flourish at the next level I do wonder because like I think it's an easy thing to forget it's like oh he's one of the

SC guys first round it's like well no like you you probably were looking around it like

pushing of all people going what the hell am I doing here when you're not playing those first two years at SC right know you're absolutely right in fact coaching hurt his ankle his junior year and I think you know before the season I'm sure he could have been good enough to go on to be first round pick which he eventually was the following year and I was doing very well on special things but I was playing behind him and I wanted him to go to the league I'm like you you got you

know you gotta go to the league because that's you gotta go to the top of a position for me to play and I was on pace to graduate in four years because I registered it and but the NCAA at the time even if I graduated and transferred to another school I was gonna have to sit out a year I mean

it was ridiculous as you know I'm just many people do not have a lot of nice things to say about the

NCAA myself included so I want him to go to the league just selfishly so that way I can have a chance to start I wasn't as good as him and then my senior year they put me on the edge and I was just you know quicker than a hiccup just you know getting off just running and that's when uh Pete Carroll put in that bare defense really a three four you know a zero two three's and two outside linebackers and that's kind of where I found my mark because before that I was a four

three sandbacker just holding the edge dropping into curl flats just doing my thing but in high school I played all positions and you know once I found my edge or sorry once I found my niche on the edge it was just hey just go you know and and I made it easy is there any way that you could have told your dad and all the SC family like hey I want to go play somewhere

your first two years like I want out of here my dad was the one when I went up and I talked with him

about you know you know hey what are you gonna do you know you have those talks with your father

“and I'm like oh I think I'm gonna walk on at USC he just wanted to make sure he goes and he”

getting and I'm gonna put you this I haven't said this in forever like you want to be you know a big fish and a small pond or a small fish and a big you know one of those things yes this is this is what I want to do now if I would have known that I was gonna get my headbashed in being looked team running back in 2004 and beyond the black shirts which was you know like the practice squad type guys I might not have said that but like I said I'm very grateful for it

and what I went through there because I I believe it did hard in me gave me perspective and allowed me to thrive what is it like when your crew gets together and talks ball I mean it's I was on the reference page again this morning like I lose track sometimes I like I think it ended up being what eight or seven eight total or that have played and you know I know some of you're all located now but one of those I don't know how often that happens with with everybody

hopefully everybody gets along but I imagine there's been a few few nights where enough you guys are together for family where it just must be unbelievable we all got together in June of this year for wedding back in California and so we had my uncle Bruce you know in the Hall of Fame in his career and he's got his boys one of them being Jake Matthews who's you know still roll and strong with the Falcons at left tackle then you've got up my you know my father

and all of us who played on our side my brother Casey and myself so yeah the stories it's funny because we naturally just slip into storytelling you know we just slip into storytelling and and have a great time but it's it's it's my wife makes it known to me because it's just it's just ball that's just what I grew up around but she's like it's so interesting to perspective to hear you guys talk about this game which is kind of why I'm taking this segue into you know working with Netflix

is just the perspective in which I have not only having done it on the field and having a certain level of success but also just the family in which I come from the way I was brought up just to kind

“of understand the ends and outs I think it's a unique perspective and it's something that keeps”

me involved with the game and something that I love and I think it's synonymous with the Matthews family. When did this whole Netflix thing come to I mean because you know even out of the league a bit and maybe you know some guys are like the last thing I want to do is sit around and talk about football

I guess it just must have felt like it was right for you at this time. Now you're absolutely right I've had

I'm not going to say a number of opportunities but a number of conversations with networks that I just I haven't been interested in you know I've got three young kids I enjoy you know you talk about that unique experience growing up but I was able to assimilate back into normal life outside of the arena outside of the football field because of my dad and you know how he showed me how it works you know because of my uncle because of my grandfather and so for me I was very

comfortable just kind of retreating into the shadows but you know obviously still talking ball watching football I love the game and then this one kind of fell on my lap you know Netflix was looking to put together you know they had a packers game I don't know interesting because I noticed from the year before they're getting more and more into the NFL market maybe they just want me for a game I said no we want a constant presence this year starting with the game in Australia

“so I believe we've got five games this year and I thought this is great so kind of just living”

in the moment it allows me to be involved with the game that I love it allows me to be with some really cool people and Michael Irvin Nick Folls, El Duncan who see it you know from a broadcaster's point of view now because obviously I'm the rookie again and I just felt like an opportunity that that I couldn't pass up so I'm excited for I'm excited to get down there we'll leave this week and like I said not really excited for that flight but once we get down there it should be good energy

it's just great to see the you know the progression of the league and and you know what what it all brings to the table if it were a weekly show I would be worried about you getting burnout

on Aaron Rogers questions so I think this is a perfect second bite into it last year was rough man

last year was rough and he said it's going to be his last year and he's back with McCarthy like

“what are your expectations for this guy now well I think first and foremost he's in a tough”

division he's in a tough division so I'm going to look at it from a team level like I think making the playoffs is what the goal should be at at a minimum naturally you know if they've got a healthy joe burrow and Cincinnati bangles they're going to be up there in the conversation along with the ravens and they had their injuries as well Lamar so playing for 10 wins the 11 wins trying to get that number seven possibly six seed but it's a tough AFC I am really interested

to see him and Mike come back together because Mike has had tremendous success even in it's obviously with with us in Green Bay but even his timing Dallas which you feel you feel like all right they couldn't get over the hump in the playoffs but I mean that through for some career highs I believe at the time I think they were winning 12 12 games back when it was a 16 game season and they got balanced by the packers at one point but he knows how to run an offense and they did look

stale on offense last year now I'm talking about Pittsburgh and obviously you hope their defense plays better than they did last year I think it was feaster famine with them so I think his stats when we went back and looked and I don't have him on hand so forgive me but I think they were okay you know but for a four time MVP you want to see somebody throwing it for 4,000 yards

“40 touchdowns I don't know if that's I don't know if that's what it's going to be but I'm as”

interested as you hopefully it's better than last year not that he had a down year I think it was a little bit more measured based on his weapons and play calling but I think a playoff spot in him playing all 17 games and you know making this is what is it called the swansong or something so just making it make it a member boy I think he's enjoying it no one that it's his last year putting it out there I think you know putting a bow on everything yeah this isn't really a

question of you the last thing I ask him or talk about with broadgers is that you know people that I know that are close there's a couple people that I know that that have had in the past close relationships with him and they've said you know he is looking for that fight like you can pretend you're competitive and all that kind of stuff but he is like looking for those slides because the way you came up in football and like it's something there's this attitude with him that has made

him the player that he is but it also can be a times like man you know I wonder if he already goes into the season knowing like hey it's my last year if there's a calmness and now look at physically some of the same stuff comes up he doesn't have any of these capability

that always made you know on top of probably the best throw or the football that I think I've ever

seen like I think that's where I would put Rogers like when it is right they're throws in there of them like I think that's the best I've ever seen you know other people can present other people

year that actually worst he was advantage after so many years of even when there wasn't a fight in

“front of him he would create it to make him the player of the year again I'm not even critical of that”

because I actually kind of appreciate it but I just wonder if this will be like the first time

where he's entering a season going alright man like this is it let's let it fly that's it's a great point you bring up too because you know I'm I'm strictly speaking from a fans perspective he gets married it looks like he's rekindled his relationship with his family and then to address the elephant in the room he did kind of come out on the right side of history if we're talking about you know what immunizations and what not so you know it's maybe tying a bow on

this whole thing he's gonna like hey I'm not this evil guy I'm gonna go out there and you know and make it happen so I don't know you're absolutely right there's there's something to be said

about that we'll see how it all plays out but listen I love Aaron he's my quarterback I'll always

have his back and I always wish him nothing but the best and and nothing but the best is hopefully an awesome year as we finish up here the kind of keep it in the end of C you know we talk about the Renzo talked about the Niners because of the scheme again in Australia I got people telling me Dallas if they're average on defense look out I got people telling me hey Philadelphia like why's everybody just turning the page on them like give me the other teams the NFC that you're like

hey this is not a surprise if they put this together and maybe come out of the conference I like Dallas winning I like when I like them winning over Philadelphia not to say Philadelphia won't you like them like playoffs I like them in the division I like them in the division offensively Dax gonna put up numbers you know CD George pick-ins but on defense you know they saw they lock up Quinn and Williams obviously they've got Kenny Clarke where I play with

absolute stud um Rashan Gary even though you know his time with Green Bay probably didn't get himself you would it you he'll he'll give you some and then they go they get Caleb downs out of Ohio State who now I know the internet's the internet but all the clips I've seen make him look like he might be the best player in the draft from this past year they can't be worse than last year so let's just they might just put up record numbers on offense and do just enough to win that division now listen I

might fill it out on paper it's kind of like the rams you look at it you're like why are we why are we overlooking Philly here I mean AJ Brown's removed now so that should remove all the chaos that we would get from the media as far as the conflict between hurts and AJ Brown that their defense is elite um they still have safe one you know and and they add a USC's McCye Lem and who I'm really high on I know he's been injured a little bit this preseason so I'm not gonna very well see them winning

but but I'm picking the cowboys because I don't want to wait for back and forth uh NFC North that's gonna be a meat grinder I mean who do you think about the packers what do you think I'm going with the packers I understand I'm a homer I'm a homer as you would it's not a terrible it's not like you

“picked you know Vegas to win the division so well that is true I mean I very but Chicago I think”

there's a bit of regression there naturally just because year two Ben Johnson I think Caleb Williams continues to ascend but I think you know this was the second year I know he's with Detroit but this is the second year they're putting product out there naturally the league adjust Detroit we've all

kind of at least I have like I'm looking past them I'm like they're amazing on offense I know

they've got some injuries in the second very injuries to start the season for them like they may have to win some shoe doubts and get through the first first core of the season or something no you're right well I actually saw the packers were underdogs to the Vikings at Minnesota I was I couldn't believe that I might go ahead and take that bad I just feel like come on it is it's the season opener they got Kyler Murray not to say he's a bomb by any means but like it's a you

know now that's the time so I'm going with the packers could be wrong but I like them coming out of the north I didn't want to we're having such a good time here so I don't want to bump you out this is Seattle lost by the you like the most do you have a moment where you're alone in the car and you go what the fuck 6 down well yes it was it that was a unique game that was a unique game that was a tough loss I have I've yet to watch it back obviously I've seen the on-side kick but I um I've I got

“I mean I think I've said it before it it was a blur to me because in the second half I actually”

suffered a head injury tried to hide it you know come back in so for me it wasn't until I came back we're like on the plane I'm like what what just happened you know so um it but it's a different

concussion but if there's one that you don't remember the part yeah yeah yeah I think I snap back

when over time started I'm like okay be cool be cool but yeah that's a tough it's a tough

“field of swallow right that was a devastating loss um man we were so close and then I think you”

got to look at the next week too we had played the Patriot earlier that year at Lambo had a great game Aaron Rodgers Tom Brady we come out on top going to play them again next week I mean that would have been no one wanted to Russell Wilson you know Tom Brady magic they wanted to Aaron Rodgers but now I will say that was the was that the Malcolm Butler interception game yeah yeah okay well that did provide a very memorable Super Bowl moment but who's to say

we couldn't have done that hey you're you're caught you you ripped the scab off right now I'm all flustered I know okay I'm just trying to I was like I don't want to be too nice the whole time I did again I wasn't trying to be sure I was going to you don't have to you know be enemies I'm not playing well I'm on yours I'm in the media now right yeah I was actually this will be the last thought here because you're doing this game for Netflix I you are technically part of

“the Rams family too here so I don't know if McVay or Stafford been getting to you being like”

we haven't forgotten what you've done here like you may not be in so far but you know you were here

for a year I'm just saying if Aaron Donald comes out for $20 million how much are they willing to

offer me you know maybe just like a free lunch or something like that I just had to suit up tap landman be like you just make the call buddy I probably could shoot up and get two stacks not because I would be worth a darn but because Miles Garrett and Aaron Donald will create so much mayhem that I would just fall into a stack and just you know I just write off into the sunset I do it for for League minimum but I listen I sneeze wrong I roll out a bed and I throw my back out so my days

my days are done I'm just going to sit in awe and astonishment of hopefully what those two are capable of doing well big thanks to Clay Matthews again the Netflix coverage opening week of the NFL in Australia the Niners and the Rams 830 Eastern 530 Pacific excited to see you with the studio gang man and enjoy the season thanks man I appreciate it Ryan thank you look we all know NFL Sundays are sacred and so we found the perfect way to make sure you don't miss a single snap

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“ten guys this week I think our other guy was five eight he was yeah yeah they call Kyle good”

as a five three call I don't know how you remember that day's later five ten one ninety five

we're taping these in the same day that's the point so I don't want to five eight got to feel even fucking worse um first marathon of the end of the month target time of three forty five

at my peaking college I could bench three oh five for one but never got to the elusive three

plate club that's a great number though great number I think if it's if you did that in college man

“there's no question you'll be able to do that as an adult if you want to some people don't want to”

imagine that they don't even want to know how bad do you not care about benching three plates so Rudy I couldn't care less yeah Kyle I care more I just don't have it I'm just not doing it right now there's got to be a part of my life where I'm doing all I shit it's just not happening right now I do love to run myself through the exercise of hey do you think this will never happen right like do you think are you resigned Kyle never happened what's that three plates for

me is never happening Kyle do you are you accepted three plates is never happening for you

no I think there's a I don't know no I think there's a big workout phase for you seven years from now it's got to be like maybe six yeah I just maybe we should have like I I'd like to just call the pots July pots just keep calling on that forever but just a list of things that you've accepted I'm never going to do well okay I don't think I'm ever going to get my pilot's license

“I didn't want I wouldn't put that on you I wouldn't put that on you at all I think if there's”

one of us it would be you right I've accepted that you've accepted you're not going to be a pilot yes let's join should bang a pilot once um I would running a marathon's probably on that list like

like that stuff I don't care about you that stuff I really don't um I'm probably never running a

marathon I hate running I'm excited I'm going to I'm going to start keeping a no tap list and when you're ready I think you're accepted obviously there should be like two tears you're like I know I think I will do this probably not if accepted never okay yeah I'm never going to host the Grammys I've accepted that what about the Oscars probably not yeah but it's not it it's in the what if I have some what if some big TV executives like you know what he is a little

quick with it let's throw him on this light night show maybe he's not just going to do trump jokes the whole time like I actually heard his a huge trump guy and like oh fuck that taxes yeah he was the only guy that has an issue with taxes in the country as well yeah he's the only guy all right back to our uh sorry man sorry I mean anyway since year five to nine apologize to our guy sorry my friends know I'm writing this email so no issue if you use personal details I talk

about life advice all the time I never imagined I'd be coming to the triumvirate to win my life decisions 25 move to Charlotte year and a half ago living in Spartanburg South Carolina first time here's post grad immediately started dating my now great Kyle great tidbit there started dating my now ex girlfriend right when I got here she recently got a puppy so for all intense purposes we had a dog together it's been every day since our first date wow last weekend

she ended things pretty much out of the blue and hit me with the usual I love you I'm not in love with you I don't know if I'm in the same place I was when we first started dating yada yada yada yada I've taken the breakup relatively well we've not spoken since and it's allowed me to think about a relationship in the parts that weren't working for me really good you know you're on the

“losing side of the breakup the the worst thing you can do we say this all time just constantly keep”

fucking reaching out and all that kind of stuff just go go take a little walk about relationship wise fast forward a week and the guy who hired me and my current job pulls me in a room to tell me he's leaving he's having a baby at the end of the month and moving to Edlana Hotlana to be closer to both of their families and Friday will be his last day our relationship stretches beyond a typical manager employee we both went to Clemson hang out outside

at work frequently and he has been both a mentor and a friend of me since I reached out to him regarding working for him last winter that puts me in a blender I recently moved teams at my company from a team I love where my old boss is now leaving to a team where the work is far less fulfilling but they're significantly more career upside the transition was offered me by the higher leadership and I felt like it was an opportunity I cannot say no to I now live in Charlotte with no

roommate my girlfriend dumped me and I'm at a job I don't love my close relationship at work will be gone by the end of the week all caps I don't know what to do my leases up in January I'm in line for a promotion in December so I have a little time but I'm considering everything from buying

city Atlanta Chicago and New York City Boston LA are all options as I have some friends from school

each of those and could make a major career change while I am still young is all of this just an overreaction do an immense amount of change very quickly new role being dumped mentor leaving or is the universe giving me a sign that I am on the totally wrong path that a major shake up is necessary appreciate in the insight side note was paired with a random at a work golf tournament in Newport Beach last week when I played a clip of yours out loud and my player

partner goes is that resello I listen to him every night before bed not a child 35 not a time I guess the guys also a tech guy who is also in a punk rock band so again not just kids man there's a lot of stuff brewing with this one I'm not like a cosmic universe guy but sometimes like yeah you want to make it up about you yeah no no I don't I don't care I don't I don't do astrology I don't care about the universe in any way you even know your sign I don't think

there are signs I do know my sign I don't know what it means I'm a satirious

“that's what it was once is it really I don't know what that means sure I don't know must explain a lot”

but even killed because of our series are I'm literally just like the horse guy whatever I thought it was there a bone error guy oh is it isn't it think half half half horse with the air I'm talking correct yeah yeah maybe I'm wrong who knows either way don't believe any of that bullshit having said that clear this is the nice little path for you like if you don't want to be there

you don't have to be there and if like if there's nothing tying you down and you're just like hey I need to change my life I'm not going to be happy you're because if you're just going to be in Charlotte and you're going to be you know depressed about your acts and missing your friend and then like heard good things about Charlotte though to major airport as well but you don't want to get around things about Chicago and all the other cities that you named like it's it could be a fun little

“just thing that you can do and here's the thing you could always just probably come back to Charlotte at some”

points out the end of the world so how old did he say was I got the height but not the age my my guess is like 20s if you're in your 20s yeah I feel like this is like what yeah why not okay but all of us as we've gotten older are we just looking at this guy going like absolutely I don't know why I picked a rave four by the way I would have picked that one better I would have picked at least a four runner I'm going to be moving that rave four so you guys keep

going here I think they're kind of uncooled to be honest but you know I thought he meant it was guys really you sent a rave four and it's not that's not the car you want to buy yeah

I just don't know yeah the rave fourth inherently uncooling for a hundred million

still uncooled actually but maybe that's why he's done so well maybe that's why this is such a joke because he's so sensible all the time and the decision that he's ever made I mean they got just got dumped and clearly like I don't I'm not in love with you I love you but I'm not in love with you and I'm taking the dog with me like you've handled this really well good thing for not copet parenting though those people I've got a couple of those of my life and I'm like what are you

doing that's a I like I actually do I don't know if I lost respect for you but you're my buddy but I still I do look at you differently knowing that you're doing this the drop off yeah you're doing drop off on Wednesdays and Sundays and same what up to a new boyfriend Dan Bowley you got you one of you got a pic yeah there's like a new guy there Blake oh he loves he loves it when you do this yeah just here for Coco you'll be out of here and then he tries to explain it to you and you're

like yeah you know what else is hard too when there's a fucking kid right save it for that anyway do you guys switch that as bacon I don't know if I would have done it all right I'm really tempted I don't think there's any reason why you you shouldn't do this but I am romanticizing about the idea of like having this break like I've had time so it's like you know I wish I just

“gone have to like sun Valley or I wish I had just done like this I wish I hadn't just put I think I”

said it to my dad once he's like didn't you move back to the town you went to college and bartender for like three and a half years that wasn't enough of a mental break from the real fucking world for you your dad said you did it you just didn't go anywhere new you did this whole thing of like you put your head down immediately he's like buddy it was like 27 until you had anything that remotely resembled any kind of path whatsoever and I went counterpoint dad so I

it sounds like you probably have a little money to be able to like pull it off not not that you're

just gonna like shut the whole thing down again I think the other part of is you're always like what

if you love being a ski guy what if you love this rap for and you're laughing it guys like us being like hey how's your diesel going right now how's the mileage on that one in the city you

kind of reset with all the stuff that happened and maybe we're over estimating it but it sounds

like maybe you are just like good at your job and good at all all the kind of stuff there's going to be other opportunities all over the place and I'm telling you like of all the places I could live and if I were my 20s and I just get dumped by somebody it wouldn't be Charlotte that would not be the place for a moral it's coming up to it would take a few cities to get there the queen city I'm not shooting on it just saying it's the safe that it does feel like there's

some other places I'd rather be yeah okay to your point about like if we're just sitting here from like our 40,000 foot view being like oh yeah just like do this in your mid 20s I will say like I you know it definitely is easier if someone who's obviously in my mid to late 30s now who's like oh yeah like in your 20s who cares it's a bigger deal than we're making out to be like oh yeah yeah it's almost quite scary but like with the hindsight of being like 10 years maybe older than

you it's like oh yeah like I don't know life you'll figure it out like yourself so much more

time to live and do things in sport and fail but you're not a long time too no I never really had

that I because I'm just thinking like selfishly like I never really had that opportunity where it's like hey it's like I just don't really have any else going around let me just go somewhere else and I kind of wish I did like in some ways and so I'm maybe able that to be as if you too yeah don't just go we're been good for you I wasn't easy do well that was about it when you're a lobbyist yeah yeah it's so funny yeah that is so funny I don't want to be the one guy

that's just like maybe just fucking hunkered out and get away the land here but I guess maybe I won't but I know Ryan is kind of always on this we're like dude oh he's 25 you're in the age gap

“bounce yeah so Rudy I was waiting to see what you said you're kind of go for it I think it's kind of”

hard to do well as a as a young person with like a job that you feel good about maybe that's just the people that I know but like I wouldn't be I wouldn't be so in a hurry to be like well yeah I'll just get another job obviously again I don't know exactly what he does or if he's good or not but like I think it's kind of hard to get something yeah and it's kind of hard to get something like that though you know I don't know I'd poke around Charlotte for a little bit I'm not sure

yeah he said he was 25 so he guessed it right I'd most have just forgotten also if you do this and too I understand like this feeling like this is kind of thrust upon you like losing the perfect coworker dynamic really sucks it makes you it does make you wonders like damn do I still want to do this you know I had a pretty pretty solid one when I was in office with like Kate and Titus and even Tommy alter was in there my buddy Jim Cunningham and then like one

by one they all went their own ways you look around one damn like damn did I fuck this up should I be someone else to when I got there I felt like I was getting a a little bit of a dejected Kyle I could tell you been a little bit hard and by people that left I would I not they were all three me too I didn't even know Kyle I could tell there was like a sparkle in your eye that that wasn't there anymore and we're like how do we get this backing to Kyle and I don't see

“you've gotten it back now that you've moved back to these ghosts and maybe that's why you're just like hey”

I found my happy place like stay there if you're happy the other thing is there's there we should probably talk about this are you the type of person that can just move somewhere and find friends and you're gonna be sending us another email like hey I mean Atlanta I don't know what the fuck yeah like looking at my girlfriend's Instagram look at that person that's all like yeah in Indiana I'm just just getting uh because I'm not there like maybe that's probably

another reason why I didn't find things used to do this but like I do you know me going to a new city all by myself I know I'd have a hard time like finding friends and making things happen I still better you would by the way so are you but yes we agree at least above average at that part of life you she probably should be to do this the other thing about twenty five is like if you are twenty seven and you still see where this can go where you could still leave this job at twenty

seven like it's not it's not it's not an hour or never I understand the external forces of

being newly single and like maybe not enjoying who you're working with at work anymore can make you feel like you know you've got a springboard here but you could always do this in two years if like maybe fucking shit goes awesome at the job and then you're just you're just yet setting out of the you know international hub that is Charlotte Airport maybe people stop over in Charlotte not you that's that's to your so you're selling it as a connection to future friendships

I mean you could go visit all your boys one stop I mean the hornets are on the upswing is a hub yeah I don't it is a hub I heard great things about Charlotte mild winters

“I think what he's saying is he's tempted he's wanted to do this and instead of just saying hey”

the things are aligning to allow you to go ahead and do this you feel like the packaging of it is oh he's losing his shit and then went to rado or snowbird or big sky and you know he's I mean it's like why not I could not hear it here is not a long time everyone that's older is going to say hey taking a little year and do something like this what you don't want to do is have

okay what field are you in do you feel like you have to say like locked in the entire time

“because I would say at least in the field that I ended up choosing like once I got in it”

then I was like I have to do this everything has to be about this they're you're not allowed to have anything going on that's like it has to only be about the career which again it was a little overdone for me there's something for everyone when it comes to a recess you want to know either something for everyone because when you open one up in a room with other people like sometimes I get weird and just go I don't want anyone else to know that I'm doing this right now it's not shame

it's that I want to split these I want to give you one you kidding I'm lowering myself right now like good luck in life but you're not getting one of these peanut butter cups but we all know you see that wrapper you see it you peek out you're at the airport spot and you're like maybe I get one of those for the flight I deserve it this is a long flight right because we're talking about the combination of great things here we're talking about the chocolate which has had a great

run but the Reese's peanut butter and the way it tastes and it's so specific it's so different and yet it brings back all those familiar memories of like this is why I'm doing this it's a great combination not just because we're a sports podcast I'm not talking about marino to do per here all right it's beyond that Reese's the official candy partner of our school sports go get Reese's wherever you shop all right let's get to a little easier one here well side now I just are looking up sad stereo

straights yeah do we want to do an astrology pod mine's not good I've never heard anything good

about Scorpio so I always this is a source of not a source subject but I'm just like fast forward to when we're done talking about Scorpios but I do it if it's kind of time Scorpios cool though I thought always not Scorpios I don't know not he eyes a women they're like oh Jesus you're nuts huh you're fucking nuts I'm like apparently that's the that's the word on Scorpios we're not can't help it I'm a Scorpio yeah let's shout out the divorce once you back off

mushroom lady all right this one's pretty straightforward six foot two fifteen Joe Engels little jingled juice the roll mine is the defense although I try my best at times good shooter sneaky good at getting to the basket we'll abuse the pump fake and pacific and throw a flashy past here and there subjects has most of it with the main context being my friend just brought it up first asking if I wanted his extra ps5 problem is real gaming and drinking

and now I just realized I never actually answered him asking if I wanted his extra ps5 so it's been

almost a month would it be weird to suddenly text him back and say f it I'm in no extra background I don't really need a ps5 I have a four year old so my gaming is limited to maybe a couple hours a night weekends and I'm still able to game with the boys on my Xbox and laptop screenshot of the

“discord message below it by the way it's only been like 24 days so I normally I think I have to”

read this back and forth from their in gaming chat okay I'm interested which they also have like avatars that have to do with video games the other party do you want to play station five also fug you though that's f u g our emailer LOL what other party I have a play station five and a play station five pro and everyone else has one so do you fuggin want the ps5 I have our email and my the oh my really the only one without one LOL how much do you want for it

19 minutes later the other party zero and 19 be jays so I think we have a deal here ah dudes Ross thank you so much for just letting us know how the deal went down kind of the origin yeah a little bit of ambiguity there I can understand not rushing

different if you were you probably want to think of something good and then just never happen

and then he says wait are you serious and the guy goes what do you would you want serious which one oh dude that's great

“that's what I just don't know that I don't know how many women are ever going to quite figure it out”

I don't know what we're a line I will say you see something like that and like can you even tell your wife that story they're just some joke but they're just some jokes that just hit in like 95 percent of dude circles and that's that's that's one of them you know if you hear some work here

a ps5 then when I saw that I wouldn't read this a great way to close that I think you guys are close

enough that you can go hey what's let me get that ps5 that's that's it yeah how would you say what let me snap on that ps5 let me get that ps5 L L E and that's even makes sense let me get that do you throw a fulgan in there yeah just to just and it sounds like fulgan's that guy's thing though

“I think we should let me sure yeah don't copy that could call he's got the trademark”

man should we start replacing the effort with that moving forward you've got a great read of

fulgan you you nailed it I think you're totally in the clear man yeah ask him and honestly let us know because I'm in I'm invested now if you put a spider man there's like a couple of ps exclusive that like like single player two especially if you're a dad and you find a few minutes alone

you know I did a long time without it but spider man got a war was sick I don't know if the

“last of us is on both I think that was PlayStation exclusive like there's some there's some major”

hits so I would grab that for you I would too it's it's funny he was like oh like I don't have a ton of time to play only like a couple hours every night and also yes it's really like like what is it so you have a ton of time to put it through it's like I just I just declined a fee full season long leave because I don't I can't do it I'm jealous now we're in a we're we got a group of six of us

“in a in a college football dynasty I'm North Carolina fire the bell checks you got rid of them”

yep got to the TCU also you know Bobby Petrino's the offensive coordinator got him out of their quick to and that's the turn of things around you're talking with the expense of all it was too cost me like 250 NIL it's way too much Petrino was yeah it was a lot he wasn't a plus great but I don't you don't need that it's fine save it's a great save money I'd rather have a player but yeah no so anyway I'm all pro like more finding avenues for dudes to play video

games together because it's awesome it's like the way that my friends talk about things all right good show today Kyle enjoy Arizona I hope everything's going fine as we speak I hope I got no stories but we had an awesome time you're gonna have stories for it I hope you don't go off though that sounds yeah that sounds challenging to say the least thanks to Tom thanks to Kevin Seroody Kyle the Rhymer Solar Show all episodes available on Netflix are still sports

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