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“Yeah, I will first of all turn over, you know, I think the pressure that kind of swarmed us,”

I think we had seven turnovers in the first ten possessions or something like that, they all

led the buckets, they're playing really well, they're a good team right now, they are a complete team, a quiet plan, a super high level, and while we're able to get back into the game and feeling we're chasing the game uphill all the time, then we'll get within a couple of minutes, buck is within striking distance, we would turn it over again, we had to turn it over, so we're not really ever going to win when we turn it over at that level.

So that was one and then, you know, why was this otherworldly last night? We didn't matter what we did, he made shots when we doubled them, he made the right play, even made shots over doubles at times, so, you know, we kind of got smack. It was a tale of two games, really, the Lakers game is our office, you know, just broke down completely and last night it was our defense, it broke down completely, so.

He had a first quarter bucket against Rudy, where Rudy's actually out contesting it perfectly. Yeah, Rudy picks him up, he made some, and Kauai just has this, it's almost like a boxer where he knows exactly the distance and separation that he needs to get the shot off, where you're just, he's like, he's going to find a way to get that off, even if you think

“you have a reach on him. Yeah, I mean, he's, he's phenomenal player, I mean, I think he's just,”

you know, underrated at this point, his career still, I think, or forgotten in a lot of ways, just, you know, due to the injury history, but if, even when you get a good contest, it feels like he has a clean look at the basket, you know, and with the, with the flat trajectory on his shot, it, it feels like he should be able to contest him better or bother him more, but you just,

it almost never sees anybody when they're right and vulnerable.

Yeah, it was, it was super impressive for a bunch of different reasons. I always like trying to get, you know, something out of you as I know, there's probably limitations of what you can share, but when you have the five straight turnovers and you're right, it was like seven of 10 or 11 positions, you call the time out of 12, too. This is a veteran group, so I, I know they know you and you know them, but like, what do you, you didn't say when you go, hey, like, hey guys,

yeah, I mean, listen to that one, I didn't say a whole lot, I mean, it was a pretty obvious, you know, just, I said, hey, as soon as we stopped turning it over, you know, we'll settle into the game and, and I think we got a few more turnovers, but largely, I was mostly focused on whether we were able to kind of develop some sort of offensive rhythm, which we had been missing for a couple games. And we were, you know, I thought we, once we came out of that time out, we got our pace up a little bit,

very good defense, which I was worried about, so, but yeah, then it was just the pressure,

“the two around the Anthony, you know, the clean passing wasn't there for us, and that's what caused”

the kind of, you know, the crappy start. When are you at your best on offense? Like, what do you want to see when it's like, okay, this is, this is when I know we're right. Yeah, this is, I mean, this is pretty simple formula for us, you know, we, we're playing a little faster, you know, we don't want to be, I mean, we're not built to be one of these breakneck speed teams that you see all over the league right now. I mean, we're just physically probably not built that way, but we have

quick in our pace this year, which has really helped us, you know, we're out our best when we're playing faster and we're, you know, getting into kind of our early offense, if you will, and really

when, and Julius are playmaking as well as scoring, like, we need those guys to have combined over

double digit assists and, you know, playing through Julius is kind of like our point forward alongside Anthony is, you know, that's probably at the heart of what we do when we're at our best, and then NAS, you know, off the bench doing a lot of that same stuff playing through our bigs, and because both of them have such great playmaking abilities, and then, you know, layered in on that is, everybody's touching the ball and, and we're finding Rudy, it was a big, it's a big point of

emphasis for us this season coming into the year was to be able to find Rudy more, you know, there were many times where we just missed them, whether it be on the lob or the roll or just some deep seal against the switch, and, you know, we had done that, and we have done that for large stretches of the season, and that activate him, of course, as you can imagine, he's become better defensively, he's more active on the glass, and now with, with, you know, the defense

like last night, whether it's so committed to put pressure on the ball, you know, they're, they're daring us to throw it to Rudy, and I thought Anthony did a good job of finding him last night in the middle of the floor, so we know this game is evolved away from like post ups, right? No one's ever going to say hey, get in the post and then we'll work off of that,

I mean, it feels like that's never going to happen again, but I wonder if that evolution of the

game has led to perimeter guys, just ignoring deep seals as well, like it's, it's so like when you have those moments like, I don't care who you're never going to have Rudy set up on the block and have everybody space out, but like Rudy post up, let's let Rudy cook for six positions in a traditional post up, but it, it's something where you almost have to remind it, not just your team, like a generation of players, it's like my 7 foot plus guy has a deep seal on a guy in a

restricted area, it's still a good option. It's a great option, and you're 100% right, you know,

“as first of all, it's like, it's the most missed guy, I think, is the big now in the game today,”

like in and around the basket in different ways, you see so much switching that you, there are a lot of these opportunities that are kind of gone missed, you know, I think everybody wants to ISO drive and kick three, and you know, we have to kind of continually train ourselves to look down there. I will say this, I think post play has come back a little bit for these elite guys, mostly has some playmaking opportunity, like Joyce is really good at it, like one of the best

things that we're able to do is play through him in the post, you know, it really activates his playmaking, and you know, I think last year certainly with Anthony's increase in three point volume and a lot of it came from Joyce Randall Kickouts from the post, and that's something that we've got to get back to doing a little bit more too. Yeah, you know, you're too here with Julius, and it's not like we have to go back through the trade and everything, but like it felt like

the idea was we need someone else who can deal with defensive pressure with the ball, you know, there's plenty of guys in team that can dribble, but when the defense is focused on and it felt like Julius was this other side option of like, you know, it goes back to his passing even a Kentucky. It's like, this guy's actually like a really good pastor when he does get cooking your like, man, you get him in a switch. He's just going to be somebody because he's going to be able

to maintain like a multiple dribble possession was was the idea of like not just his talent, but having someone else that dependable with the ball and making decisions to kind of maybe like

“say balance out the offense a little bit more. 100% I think where we looked at, you know, obviously”

it could be told, you know, the trade was more about cap sheet, you know, it was largely about cap sheet moving forward, and you know, we love cat and everything that he brought, but we knew we were coming to a point where we had to make decisions, we wanted to try to

you know, there were fairly similar. Obviously cats and elite shooter joys is more streaky from the three point line. Playmaking though one thing we just, you know, I just hit upon joys was like, he created so many three point shots and we needed to get our three point volume up. And then

I always felt, even when we had him in New Orleans, which was kind of a lost season because

that was the year they Anthony asked for a trade. So we didn't play a lot of meaningful games coming out of the stretch there, but when I had New Orleans, I felt like this guy was a good closer, like you can actually play through him because he can get to his spot, he can get a shot, get a shot up, comfortably, he can play make and also draw fouls. So yeah, so heading into the last season, it took us a while to kind of figure out exactly like what the best version of

“joys looked like for us, you know, and at times I think, you know, we confused them, we needed”

him to score, we needed him to do this, we needed him to do the other thing, but it kind of mapped out where we probably need 60% playmaking, 40% scoring, but that 40% scoring is hugely important because it's kind of on demand, you know, which is what you're talking about. And when when there's

so much pressure on Anthony and like, you know, the joys, and I've always thought like his passing

is is a lead and underrated and the times underutilized, but we're, you know, we're trying to get him and have always tried to like get him to really lean into that art of his game here. Your stability is probably something I imagine you will rely on during like a rough stretch. As I was looking at it again this morning, you're starting a group at 686 minutes together. That's number one by a massive gap to Detroit, who's at like 490.

Yeah, there's teams that think they're still competing for a title that I'm like, I'm still not even quite sure if they know who they're supposed to be. How much does that at least help you going? Like, I'm not dealing with kind of like the substitution of decision patterns that

“maybe other teams are, as they're trying to fight through seeing. Yeah, I think, the mentally,”

you know, we know who we need to be, where we're at our best. Sometimes we deviate from that. It's a head scratcher for all of us here, but right now, I think having length in their bench, we played a lot of the season, you know, maybe 677 guys at the most. And then now we feel like we got 90 with I/O and Kyle back in the mix. So I think for me right now, it's kind of working through some of the pairings and combinations of the bench and, you know, how they mix with maybe

the starters and some of these blended line-ups. But our, you know, our starting group has been great. You know, coming into the season, we made a decision to start Dante, put the ball on his hands. Real reason was that which, I mean, needed a better Dante, you know, and Dante was good last year, but we needed the New York mix Dante, you know, we needed the guy that could change a game all by himself and get hot. And like, I don't think you ever had that kind of those moments for us

last year, sustained moments. He did it here and there. And so, and he's been great. He's been unbelievable for us. And from the ball and hands hands more, we knew that would kind of be like, there'd be a growth curve there and, you know, we've seen a lot of good things there and we also know where we need help too. So, but yeah, our starting unit is super comfortable and I'm comfortable with that. Ant, so I was in the building a couple of weeks ago when he, when he hits the shot and then,

of course, we'd also like to clip afterwards where he's like, this is what I do. I don't, I didn't take that as like as you would sit, hey, pass it out of two earlier and then it kind of played out, at least nationally, that was like, oh, then he turns to his coach and does this. That kind of, maybe I have a little insight on it too. So, I felt like that was a reflection of how great the relationship is that he can like, in this passionate moment, kind of go at you. What is a moment

“like that for you when, when you're in the game and, and it's happening, your guys delivering?”

Yeah, I mean, listen, it isn't, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's part of a relationship that we have.

I mean, like, I'm always on Anthony to make the right play, you know, and he has incredible confidence

in himself, and he's had an outstanding year in close situations. And, you know, that's shot when he gets to his left hand and can rise up almost over anybody. He feels automatic. So, um, but, you know, coming down the stretch here, like, still has to continue to make the right play. And, um, you know, it's my job to remind him to do that. And, uh, it's his, you know, it's his, if in his nature to, he loves being challenged, you know, it's all part of the deal. So, I, I didn't

take it personally at all. So, I could talk about it afterwards and, um, and it kind of came to wait for us and it's just kind of part of, like, our daily fabric. I mean, we're not always barking at each other, but he knows that I have immense trust in him and, um, and, and it's been

in the clutch. Like, he struggled a lot and we struggled a lot and, uh, it got better in the playoffs. And I said all season long, like, the benefit of this is nothing else is that we have been

incredible body work to analyze in the off season to figure out how to make it better in these

situations. And he's done that. Like, he put the work in and he's been outstanding in those moments for us. What's something that we don't know about him as, as the face of a franchise as a team may. You know, we could talk about all the spectacular plays, like, all of us that love this game. I mean, he's just kind of a must watch, but I love anything that you could share with us about him that maybe he's even surprised you in this time together. Yeah, I think, um, uh, you know,

ultimately, like, he's, we talk about this, like, everyone sees Anthony and what you see is real

“and it's genuine and, uh, that's what we love about him. You know, what he's thinking at any moment”

in time, but he's also quite reflective, like, and I've, I've got to said this before. So this

is maybe something that nobody has in her, but like, he'll also tell you what he doesn't know,

you know, and like, what he, you know, where he feels he needs to get better and he kind, and he really does own like his bad play or his poor performances. Um, and he's quite shy and sheepish about that sometimes, you know. Um, and he needs, he needs building back up just like everybody else does after those moments. And, um, and so I think like, you know, he's now at the point where I think he understands way more basketball than he ever has in his life and, and he's kind of,

it's at the intersection of like what he's learned and what he can do. And I think the next couple years are going to be, you know, even better for him. Um, but he's also like, you know, everybody talks about the face of the league and all that. He doesn't lust after those things. Like, I don't think any player really does. In fact, he shies away from it a little bit at times because, you know, he just wants to play basketball and be like the best player he can and whatever comes

of it is fine. But then once it kind of settles in, then he kind of feels a little more comfortable with these, this evolution, whether it be an all star, all MBA, you know, face of the franchise, these types of things up. But at the moment, like sometimes he'll, he's not sure if he wants it. And, but yet he has more enough more than enough game and belief in himself to actually do it. And he just needs a little convincing that it's going to be fine, you know.

I was thinking about, you know, his, his evolution here from last year in the playoffs, right? Because it was the game one against OKC, he only takes 13 shots. And when I watch it live, it would kind of felt like, you know, it's a very easy thing to say, like, hey, what the hell is going on here? And it's like, well, if you think about him as a basketball player, like the last thing you ever have to worry about is I'm not taking this really enough shots. But the rules are,

“if you're him and you're losing a play, like you have to figure out a way. And then I don't do this”

all the time, but it was bothering me. And I was in a hotel, I think at the time. So I watched the game, again, I watched the positions on synergy. And it was like, you know, this is tough. Because OKC's got three guys, like wherever he is, he is facing this maze of bodies. And so it's like, do we want him to take 25 shots, knowing that there's going to be like 10 absolutely terrible decisions here where he's completely forcing it, which you wouldn't necessarily even blame him considering

his ability as talent, because he just, you know, on the drive getting around guys, he's everything you'd ever want out of a player. But it was one of the seasons, like we kind of want it both ways. You know, we want you to be efficient, we might make the right decision, but since it's playoff game, and then it's OKC, I guess we also, I'm not saying you, but like we also want you to force up a bunch of shots so your basketball doesn't just say 13 attempts. I'm just kind of wondering, like,

“what that game meant to you on the, this is kind of path of who he's become as a player?”

Yeah, I think, yeah, he nailed it. I mean, there's a lot of outside expectations that, you know, think that, hey, he's got to get more shots. And of course, we need him to take 20 shots in like, like, but if they're going to put two and three guys on him and they're committed to stopping the initial play time and time again, like, you know, he has the responsibility of getting his teammates involved and taking advantage of the defense. I thought he had done an outstanding job of that

through the first two series in the Oklahoma City defenses. As we saw last year, it was a completely

different animal and they just weren't letting you go to, you know, kind of take them on. I mean, force a lot of turnovers and make you pay quickly. But I would say this, like in part of the learning is, you know, there are other ways to get shots. You know, you got to play faster, you got to get out in the open court, which, you know, he at one point in his, that was who he was, you know,

of a half-fort player because they're the ball in their hands. But, you know, you're going to have

“to find other ways to accentuate what you're doing in those situations. And that's why you got”

trained yourself through the regular season to do it. You didn't just, if you don't, if you thought you used to playing quicker off the catch or playing more transition or just being like a catching shoot guy, whatever it might be, you know, you got to do these things because in the playoff, they might force you to play this way a little bit more and you got to go get six eight points that way. Do you, like I know sometimes with young players, it's like reps, you know, it's kind of

the battle between a coach you staff and for an office. And it's like, okay, we just drive to this guy. It's a game, but I'm trying to win the game. It's like we've got to get this guy certain

number of minutes. We have to have real possessions. That's not necessarily the case with your roster,

but I wonder if there is a game goal. And then there's like a longer term goal of like, we've got to figure out some different ways to attack knowing what is facing you in the Western conference. Yeah, you mean to attack, like, just like, you know, is there stuff that you would say, hey, we know it okay, C's going to do. We may not do it against okay, C, but let's let's try it. Let's like be thinking about where we're going to be in April and May with some of the stuff

we want to do, as opposed to just winning a game on a Tuesday night. Yeah, yeah, there are for sure.

“There's things that we do and, you know, we do, we do a lot more of that defensively, I think,”

that we would say offensively, you know, and a lot of that has to do with things that we might do around Rudy, because what we feel teams will try to do to us when we're on the floor of the playoffs. And he's been great into, you know, adjusting and kind of, you know, open-minded to all those things. So, uh, mentally, um, you know, it's kind of like we see of some version of the same defense almost every single night, you know, when that has a lot of traffic around it and Julius, um, which is,

you know, which is what we know we're going to see in the playoffs with maybe even, you know, more, more attention there, um, you know, up court pressure denial, pressure of these types of things. So, uh, we've gotten used to playing through other people, other people in this year to our offensive, the flow has been really good to us, Jayden and Dante have been key in that. That all goes back to playing a little bit faster and everything. How often are you surprised by anything you see?

“Why, either the way you're being attacked on defense or how you're being defended?”

Um, at this point in time, you know, I mean, I wouldn't say overly surprised. I think, uh, you know, we kind of, you know, we know each other's sort of well now in the Western Conference, you know, you kind of know what exactly what's coming. Um, you know, I thought Clippers have done a good job. They kind of mix it up on us a little bit, um, and then they can bring pressure. I think they're probably, you know, they're probably the most, one of the most complete defense

is that you see in the league right now. Um, but you know, I think everyone's kind of selling into their defensive personality by this stage. Now, on the playoffs, obviously, you know, everything gets extreme and choose just not to guard people. Um, and you know, I was one thing. I thought, I think I look back at game five. We got blown out, game five won the home of city. I thought we started that game and started that game and made it all the right plays. We just missed

kind of wide open shots and then, you know, things kind of just the roof fell in on us. Because the Rudy thing, like even last night with Brooke Lopez, like you're going, I mean, how's Brooke Lopez? And I don't mean to say it that way, but like, like, like, like, hey, there's a reason Brooke Lopez is still getting paid because if he's that big and constructs the other team, center out. Yeah. And specific to you, it's like, okay, like,

can I stick Rudy on a perimeter guy and try to make up for it, but then am I losing it in the Brooke matchup? Like, those are the chess pieces where I think you guys actually get like a little bit more adventurous in the playoffs. You're just coming in and be like, hey, we're doing something completely different here in game three. We'll give it eight minutes and then we see what happens. Yeah, I think when we traded for Rudy, um, you know, we had the opportunity to get it. We knew

it was going to change our defense and, you know, Tim and Tim Collin and I talked talked about it. And, you know, we made it, you know, we made a pinky swear like he, he said he just, because if we do this, you just got a promise of me that you're not going to take Rudy off the floor every time someone goes, so on and I said, I'm all, we'll figure it out, you know, and, uh,

and've always been committed to that. Now, now there are times when we might, you know, here in

there, situationally, certainly, uh, late in games, maybe to put a little some more switching on it, but we've challenged also Rudy from the day that he got here that we weren't going to be just one-dimensional. We're going to ask him to do more things, whether it be in rotation a little bit more, far more switching with him, um, you know, different coverages that, then, you know, then maybe what they were doing in Utah and Utah, they were phenomenal. So I'm not criticizing,

you had to do two things. One is you have to be, you know, willing to adapt. So your team is good enough to go to different styles of defense in the middle of a series. And that's a little dirty curve for us, times, you know, uh, and we learned a lot now, Dallas series when, you know,

Luca basically kind of had his way with us. And then, uh, you know, part is you got to be able to

include them consistently in your offense, because sometimes he's the guy that people don't choose to guard. It feels like there's, well, it just feels better defensively with him this year, and maybe that's him understanding the other pieces around him better as well. So, you know, I know the numbers would probably back that up a little bit, sometimes in the plus minus stuff defensively, you can be. But I mean, if there's one steady, it's that when that guy's on the floor,

you're a place, because I'll, I'll tell you for like anybody, and look, I've given him probably a hard time on some of the offensive stuff over the years with me doing this job, which, you know, whatever, I doubt you can care, but just for full transparency, but when he's out,

“the excitement on the drives from the opponent kind of tells you all you need to know. But you”

can see that guys are like, already's gone, and it's a completely different offense, because now

everyone's like, all we need to do is attack here, as much as we possibly can. Yeah, 100%, you know, you can see people's head go down and they're, you know, they're trying to get to the heart of the defense. And, um, you know, if any with any great rim protector, uh, and you can look at it through history, um, the single biggest metric that drives their success is deterrence, you know, and, you know, obviously when they get there, they're pretty good too, but, you know, sometimes

the numbers flatten out when people drive, um, on these bigger guys, uh, these rim protectors, when they do do attack them, but deterrence is huge, and, you know, we see that on a nightly basis, and we've, we've uh, we've been inconsistent in kind of like building like a non-nodied defense,

and because playing alongside Rudy also takes a lot of nuance, you know, and, um, you know,

“being able to read him and it might not kind of put you in. But can you give me an example of that?”

Yeah, sure. I want to know more. Yeah. Yeah, sure, for sure, absolutely like, you know, when you don't, when Rudy's off the floor, you might build your defense with heavy gaps, you might build your defense with an early low man, and then you're really kind of relying on your rotation. With Rudy on the floor, you know, Rudy is probably, or you want to Rudy to kind of be at the rim as much possible. He might be rotating from an odd angle spot on the top of the floor.

Maybe it's, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's normally to bring a little bit from the bottom of the floor, and he might be coming from the top of the floor, so you've got to read if he's coming or not. And so it just takes some time. You know, it allows us to guard the three-point line maybe a little bit better. Stay, you know, stay out of rotations at times more so with Rudy on the floor than with him off the floor. And then you've got to go to this like fly around defense when he's not on the floor more. If you do get

your paint, you know, punctured. So it's just, you know, it's just kind of like, it's kind of two different styles. And, you know, we, we haven't mastered it yet. I'm not going to lie, because the numbers will tell you that too. But, you know, we know that Rudy all by himself is like a top five defense. And, you know, got to come to us like Julius and, and Dante, you know, last year, it took them a while. It takes people a little while to figure out how to play with Rudy offensively

and defensively. Even my colleague will tell you, you know, it took him a while in Utah when he got there. And this is, that's my colleague we're talking about. It was probably one of the easiest long anybody you'll ever find. So, all right, last thing here, and I'll let you get on your way, you're just even explaining, you know, some of your different rules. And I'll admit, like, my knowledge on its limited, you know, sometimes I'll see something and I'll think like,

did this guy make the mistake? But then I'm like, well, I don't know what their help rule is. Maybe off of this guy in the corner, if you're supposed to be in the paint. I mean,

“some of these guys are such good three point shooters. I think you guys will have rules or it's like”

let the guy go to the paint because we just can't leave that shot open. But then I was, you know, I'd like to go back in time and look at some of the clips. And it's just such, there's so many more complications today's defense. And I wonder if that is the evolution of just everyone having more time and being smarter or it's like, hey, we have to cover so much more ground. Because like, whenever I watch older sets, I'm like stuff is just packed and you're not chasing around. And I

don't know that there's all these complicated in rotation rules that you have now. So I mean, did the game have to become more complicated to combat the spacing, or did you guys just have more

defensive. Like, I think, you know, we preach this to our guys all the time. When I first came in the league, like, it was

pretty much taboo. You didn't want to be known as a game plan team defensively because, you know, that meant you didn't have an identity night tonight. And you weren't good at anything. You were trying to be, you know, be something different, maybe every night. I think now, your game plan tendencies defensively are, you know, way more important than they were, certainly 15 years ago. And you really got to lean into, you know, a lot more different coverages or nuance and

and around, you know, you might see four out, four out teams. You see a way more five out teams. You have stretch picks now. You know, the cheat code to all this is, you know, being able to switch once through five. But now, offensive have gotten so good against attacking switches, you know, with ghost screens and slips, peels and screen and short and, you know, all this stuff now. So, you know, I think it just, I think it spills over to just offense in general, right? And like, you know,

everyone wants to play fast and everyone is playing fast. But the real reason that you played fast

“is because it led to better shots. Like, I don't think you have to play at breakneck speeds anymore,”

because half court offices are so much more efficient than they had been 10 years ago, you know, teams aren't just settling for bad shots anymore. Like, they did. So, everybody's shot profile diet is a healthy one for the most part. And you don't have to do that just playing in transition. Now, it's still easier to get buckets in transition when you're committed to it. But half court offenses, efficiencies gone through the roof. And so that's a problem. You

guys solve every single night. And it might be different, you know, and, you know, when you have guys, when you have these skilled bigs that can just change the geometry on the floor, like you see everywhere, you know, you can't just swallow up the paint in the room. You know, and if you do, you know, the teams that do, and there's some really, really good ones out there, you know, they're going to leave a lot of three point shots open and then it comes down to your ability to

go out and contest at a high level, like Oklahoma City, like Oklahoma City gives up a lot of three's in the corners, but they do a really good job of covering brown and getting a good hand, you know, so. Last thought, do you think you would have been thrown out of the game last

“time, if Matherin, who got that foul at the layup at the end against, uh, Jane?”

I didn't see the end of the first half. He just, he veered right into Jaden and tried to get the

contact and Matherin went, and it was one of those, when you saw the play, because I think they had 22 free throws in the first half. And look, I think it's pretty clear that like both, both defensively, your guys weren't up for it, and then offensively, the ball pressure was like, hey, you know, can we ease into the game here a little bit, and it's like now the clippers are like ready to go immediately, and I was just thinking about you, because that's the kind of play that tries me absolutely crazy. It's like, hey, he's initiating,

everything he's veering, he's like going into two lanes over, and I was like, if he gets that foul call, I was like, Finch is gone. I was very proud of their crew that they held their whistle on that one, you know, and, uh, I will say, like, that that is a major point of discussion right now is these veering fouls, um, these are often, I, I, I feel the league is, is on, is on the officials to make more of these offensive fouls than than even no calls, you know? Uh, the awful stuff, the heisman thing

you're allowed to do, I mean, there's always been that kind of clever, you know, elbow thing. If you

keep an in tight, you're going to get that call, or you're never going to get called for that offensive foul when it's an offensive foul, but I'm not, I didn't mean to interrupt you, but it's just, it's such a passion and agreement that I have that it's like, you know, it's just moving target, it's really tough for the officials, but this year has been probably the roughest I've ever seen, where you're kind of allowed to do whatever you want initiating contact when you have the ball.

“When you get in and around the pain and use, you know, like shoulder hitting, and that's what,”

you know, when you shoulder hit finishes, and they're basically just bulldozing the defense about out of the way and the defense is, you know, retreating and off balance. I mean, I'm not on a position if I'm running alongside of you, like, about out of position, and if you come and veering me and veering on to me and knocking me out, then, you know, and then still back, and then, or when I try to take this face up that you create, and now you step back into it,

just, I don't know, man, I'm not sure we all know what a foul is right now. I think it's super frustrating. We don't let our eyes tell us enough, we're trying to, you know, we're trying to, we're trying to, like, do this, like, we're doing a tax code, you know, we're kind of going on through all these, like, little boxes we're trying to check, and it doesn't feel right to me. I mean, I watch basketball all over the world, and we have some of the most out of context calls

that you just wouldn't see anywhere else, you know, and just wouldn't. And I think that's the

them rightly so. I mean, he tried to, I also think we should never reward the out of control

player either, you know, and that thought he was a little bit out of control, so. But yeah, so we got

“a lot to work on there. Yeah, I look at it. It'll probably, I think, believe when the flopping thing”

and the charging thing was getting out of control, like you could have a guy run side to side full speed in transition on the ball handler. And if he just got a step ahead of him and then fell down, they were calling these like transition charges. That was like years ago, and I was like, when it, and then, so I look at that, I'm like, you know, you don't, they kind of stopped rewarding that. And then the players adjusted that. But I mean, it's so funny, because these shoulder hits

are like a middle linebacker hit and a lead full back. And then the guy with the ball still wants to fall like a shot. And I think something that hurts you and it hurts aunt is that what makes aunt so much fun to watch is that he doesn't want to do any of the stuff. And you know, just Julia, you know, those guys, yeah, they don't flop and play for the file. They play, try to play through and off the contact. Yeah, well, I don't know. I hate to ever say, like, hey, he should probably

do that, because it would be better for him. It would be better for the team. There's certainly

an art, and there always has been an art to drawing files. And that's going to be part of the

“game. And I think we're all fine with that. But some of these, you know, some of these are just”

I think pretty egregious. And the shoulder hit stuff, like, I trace it back to this, like, so verticality at the rim is, you know, is a huge thing now. And again, when I first came in the league, you had to be perfect to get verticality. Like, you know, you're going to have your hands straight up, you're going to go up and down. Like, you could, you couldn't twist and turn. You know, no re-reaching. You couldn't protect yourself. It was like to get a non-call verticality

defensive position. You had to be almost perfect. And now, if you just jump in the air through your hands, you know, you're drifting A to B, you're twisting, you're bracing, you're re-reaching on it. And

they've loud that to kind of think get the, the two liberal with the verticality. So it's hard to finish

now off a one foot against vertical defenders. So what's the counter? Drive in there, two foot stop, barrier shoulder in the defender, and now take up the space when he's going backwards. I mean, that's, that to me is where all this has come from. It's like, it's really come from the fact that it's become harder to finish against verticality. Because verticality rules, I think it's been two liberal. I could do this all day, but I don't want to get, I think we've been

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Surrey had texted me when you guys made the move over to Barstool. He said you could watch the Irishman and roll right in a life advice. So I've been doing that. I'm thrilled for all of you and this latest venture and it's great to talk. WBC and some movies and perhaps some singing as well. I don't know if we'll get to singing perhaps. Maybe it depends on how much time we have.

some controversy with when you're co-workers as well as the manager to Rose. But I want to start with

the films. Let's start with the art. Last year when we did this, I was like, you know, how do you watch the ton of these movies? It felt like a depth chart that I was confused by. I was like, who's playing for the nets? Who's their small four great now? And then I, I don't even remember how it like happened. I was like, yeah, I'll see that or I'll see that and I go, that's not good. That's not good enough. So I've seen, I'm proud of myself. I've seen eight of the 10

best picture nominations. What is your pick going to be? Well, first off, I'm proud of you for making a, you know, rededicated effort towards watching these movies. Because again, movies do not hold the same cash that they used to. Movies are not as great as they once were. But again, if you're a completeist like me, I've seen all the nominees in 17 different categories. I'm one shy of 19 categories. We're talking documentary short animated short. So I'm obviously

nuts and an Uber prepare for these types of things. Best picture is going to be one battle after

another. The Paul Thomas Anderson film, which won at the Bruce's Guild Award PGA, which is always

a pretty big precursor. It's going to win. But you and I can talk more about this film. Because again, Paul Thomas Anderson is one of our favorite filmmakers, 55 years of age. He's finally going to win his first best director Oscar. There will be blood is one of the great films the last 25 years, Bungie Knights of Personal Favorite, Magnolia and Epic about Brief and Laws. And who can sleep on Phantom Thread and Daniel Day Lewis? And yet one battle after another is going to be the film that

is his cool to grow. That's going to win his best picture and best director. I don't know if it's a top five film of this. I liked it. I thought it was really well constructed. It was more commercial than his other films. I did love the ending. But normally I'll say this one. When it comes to PT Anderson movie, normally I watch it. I can't wait to watch it again. I watch it. I'm acts in September. It's been streaming for months. I popped in the late for 10 minutes and I got,

“I think I'll just watch something else instead. I'm a little surprised by my own reaction to the film.”

Yeah, because I think, you know, it's one of the same things happens in sports that happens to everything else too. I went to see it because it's PTA. I mean, it's in the auto. There's a very short list of like, done. I'm in. I want to see it in the theater. And I really liked it. And yet, then people were like, it's the best he's ever done. And I don't know if this is we're like the PR part of it works and lead up to the Oscars where it's like if we get everybody

saying, you know, you've got all the, the Sarah gets out there just being like, hey, keep pushing, pushing this, push it. It's his best work. It's a culmination of all the service stuff. I also think like, as creative people, you're 10th best idea. There's no way that's your best idea. Like your 10th idea. It's just, it's, it's, I very hard for me to see like creators go like, I'm going to peak on my 7th album or 8th album or whatever many ideas you have. And granted, you can evolve as a

creator to write or all that kind of different stuff. I really like the movie. Maybe it's just because how much we like them. I'm with you. I could name five movies that I think are better than that movie. And then it just really depends on as we've seen historically on the field. The rest of it. Like look, the master is brilliant. Booking nights holds up in a way that you hope you could ever be a part of something. There will be bloods, not for everybody. But that thing's just a

haymaker, the entire way through. So, you know, we shouldn't be judging against the other ones, because we're talking about 26 and ready to go. But everyone seems to think that it's going to win.

“What do you think even has a chance to challenge it if there's some kind of swing in the voting?”

Well, I think sinners has a chance. I mean, 16 nominations is pretty, pretty breathtaking. And you can say, well, they have more categories now, the best casting and it did well in the technical categories. But there's also acting categories. I mean, Michael B. Jordan, we're going to get to the fascinating, best actor race and the swan dog that Timothy shall always take him. But Michael B. Jordan might win for best actor. Delroy Linda would be an epic upset for supporting actor,

long established actor. When we Musaka got nominated for supporting actresses, this is not a film which is getting nominated for best sawing in cemetery. No, it's up for all the bigies. Coogler's up for director for screenplay. I think he wins for screenplay. That's the wash. Well, I think it's most likely to go sinners this way. So maybe it's got broad enough appeal with the 16 nominations that sinners could pull off an upset prior to the Oscar season.

When I watched all the films, because that's always fun. When you watch the movie first,

and then to get worse, it's going to be forecast. People always laugh and they go, the nominations just come out, how did you see everything? I said, well, I'm watching it as a tapping. I don't wait till February 2nd. And then watch 10 movies. I'm watching September, October, November, December, December. So when I saw Hamlet, when I saw Hamlet in around Thanksgiving, I said, okay, this might win best picture. I heard the roar of approval coming at a

Toronto in one of the audits were filmed best, so I said, Hamlet's going to win best picture. And it's not going to now, but when I first saw it, I said, this is a truly great film, and I've had friends, my wife for self-sense. I don't know how this is not winning best pictures.

“Clearly, the best way to the year. So I wish Hamlet would have a chance. I thought it's a great”

great film. I liked it more than one battle after another. Jessie Buckley is going to win for best actors, but in a different era, maybe it would win, maybe like a Weinstein type era, you know, pushing that kind of a film, art house, et cetera, but no, I think it's to be one battle.

Imagine the racist members of the Academy saying, you know what, I get what they're going here, but they just don't be blaming white people for everything. Okay, five, we ripped off the music. We treated them like crap, but I'm not going to give it best picture. Okay. I can't go that far. The Irish jig thing. I'm like, who? I'm like, I don't know. I'm like, I don't know if they're going to carry the Ireland vote here. Okay. So again, my just diving in here, reading a little bit

for this is that I would think that a filmmaker would rather win best picture than best

screenplay best director, but in the history of what 98 awards, they've just never been a

black director that's one best director. So if Google is up for it, that's obviously a monumental accomplishment in the face of a history apps and anyone ever winning. So I don't know what he would rather. I mean, maybe it's the actual like being the first guy ever to do that. And if that's the split, because I'd be, I'd be surprised if sinners won best picture. I like it, horror movies, and it's

“not really a horror movie, though. I think it's probably, I could see the argument for being the best”

directed thing because of like how it's almost like a musical at times. And there's some really cool stuff that they do in the setting. You know, I like the way they use this kind of southern backdrop and they modernize it. You know, it's started at first, I was kind of like, what's

else going on? And then it kind of grew on me a little bit. But then again, sometimes you think

about that PTA car chase scene. And if you saw it in the theater, but then you're like, so he's supposed to win because he attached a camera to a car and like we went up and down the whole whole time. So I look, I joined the hell out of it. So I just wonder if like if cooler at a moment of, I don't know if he's even answered this, if he's like, well, I'd rather best picture is is a bigger deal. I would think for these guys, but considering the history, best director will

mean more. Yeah, I think publicly, you'd have to say best picture because that's representative

“of the entire cast and crew of poor, their hearts and make this film. But privately, selfishly,”

he probably say best director because as you said, it's a real recognition for himself. And some of the hasn't been accomplished before. So either one would be a massive win for him. I think of the two, the more likely to be picture. And again, I'm picking the winner Oscar. I think he's going to win for screenplay. I think PTA Anderson's going to win for best adapted screenplay because one ball, if another is based in part in the Thomas Pinchan novel. And I think cooler's going to win

for original screenplay. So that is still going to be big news to have a guy of his renowned winning an Oscar for screenplay, even if it's not to write to you, even if it's not picture,

still big for Kuba. Okay, I watched him. I liked it. She's amazing. She should win. Yeah, I don't,

I don't know how she captures that emotion in her face that feels like you're not watching an actor at all. She's, she's incredible. Is that movie actually, in fact, about letting your husband follow his passions no matter what? I think, ultimately, that's the messaging of the

“film that that's what people are missing on. That's really, you know, you're not happening at home.”

You lose your kid. Let him get to work. I mean, I'm trying to pay the bills here, babe. Okay. I'm starting to go on. I'm going to move away. Yeah. I'm so glad you saw him. I'm telling you, Ryan, the movies that we've mentioned, like I think it's better than one ball after another. I think it's better than sinners. Like to me, that's a true emotional powerhouse. Like that movie takes you a place in transport to. And I thought like he said, her performance unbelievable. I mean, that whale of

anguish is only matched by this, you know, the end of redemption with the outstretched hand. And if you describe that scene as something, I think a lot sounds a little modeling. But while watching in that context, how, well, I mean, how could you not get emotionally whacked up in them? I mean, that was amazingly done. And as far as Paul Mascals concerned, I know he was snug for best supporting actor nomination. But the scene where he sees his son and says, that's my boy. That's my boy.

I mean, that's just a heartbreaking scene beautifully done. Did you know the deal that it was all fictionalized? Like that it was no one knows if Shakespeare actually was inspired by the death of his son, Hamlet, to then write Hamlet. And like how this all works out. And again, there's a lot of spoiler alerts here. So just buckle up for the whole thing. Or maybe you're going to want to listen to this after fact, which probably won't even happen. But they, you knew kind of what you were going

into. But they also pretended as if in the storytelling that you didn't know, which I thought was a very simple, but incredibly clever thing where they don't ever address that it's William Shakespeare. It's just the tutors son who's a passionate guy just reaching with passion. I don't know if he was the hottest guy in his town in true life, old Billy. But you know, frustrated writers, I get it. Yeah, you know, dark days up there in the attic by herself with a lantern. And just a thing

of ink to your left. So I think the whole like, wait, is this what happened? This is what

And it's this way to have it. And they were like, no, no, no one really knows. Like there's some loose interpretations of it. Even the cause of death. Like I went back and was looking at some of the stuff.

“It's it's all very loose here. And yet I think it was kind of cool, even if it wasn't true,”

which you'd usually bother me. Yeah, it doesn't bother me because my thought is always to start

a documentary, right? If it's a feature film and it's fictionalized, I don't know if it's just with it. People got to angry it or go when it won best pictures. And well, this wasn't accurate. This, I go, it's not documentary. Like if it's a feature film and you want to take license with it. Fine. I mean, to an exception. Obviously, there's sometimes, but he might not want to see this. Right. Maybe we're, but I'm very sanitized version of Freddie Mercury's life. I'm sure that

Romney Molok, one best actor for that film. But again, that's their version of it. I preferred rocket man. That was more true to life of Elton John's life. Sex, drugs, rock, roll, et cetera. But it's to eat their own. I didn't realize Hamlet was or was not fictionalized to me. It's take you on an emotional journey. It's transformative. And I really thought it packed a real wall more than other films. So that would be your pick for best picture. No, of, of the my pick for best picture,

we that wasn't not in for best picture, which was it was just an accident. That's my favorite of the movies of this year. That was that for best international film that it's ever screenplayed.

“Defarping on his movie. If you want to say of the movie, there's not many for best picture.”

When I win, again, I wouldn't say Hamlet. Just ahead of it. A sliver ahead of it. I'd have Marty Supreme. Marty Supreme was my number three movie the year. It was just an

accident number two. And number one, who had Mr. Scorsese, incredible Apple TV plus series,

which was remarkable. I thought Marty Supreme was an exhilarating thrill ride. Two and a half hours from Josh Safty, who he now knows the more talented Safty brother. Right? They did uncut gyms together. And then Benny Safty, because I'll make this movie called The Smash Machine with the Rock, an Emily Blunt. And nobody'll watch it. And Josh Safty, because, well, I'm going to make Marty Supreme, which is about a Jewish guy in the 1950s and

watch me the ping pong champion of the world. And it was an unbelievable movie. I got watched that again. Much like Hamlet, it's taken me to a different place and it's taken me in a journey. And I thought it was both hysterical and poignant, which is a very tough combination of pull off. And Xiaomi, I thought, gave a remarkable performance. And we'll get into this one dive in just a second.

“But so in the movie alone, it's so married. I think he gives a remarkable performance,”

because the guy is very antagonistic. There's a lot not to love about this guy. No, he's annoying himself. Right. Our dear friend Ben Lines was in shock with the film, because I didn't like Marty Supreme at all. He said he kidding is how this guy is a repulsive human big. He's looking at what he's treating a pregnant woman. Like this guy's awful person. And I said, well, passionate man, I think there's a theme in 26. No matter what,

what them cook. That should be the theme of this year. But I thought Marty Supreme is a great, great film. And I did like, I mean, how about this? One bow for another one? I saw it once and I go, okay, got it. Marty Supreme, I watch it. I watch it again like three days later.

I got to watch it again tomorrow next week. That to me is always evidence of a great film,

the rewatchability. I thought he had the entire cast. I mean, able for hours in their point with Paul's show. A lot of the basketball play of George Garvin's in there. And those are great film. I really did. I love Marty Supreme. Yeah, I don't know. I think when I looked it up, that Josh Saffty also did the cinematography on the Lenny Cook documentary. And if you watch the end of Lenny Cook in his kitchen,

Drunk Singing R&B, that's the most emotional scene I've seen in movies and 30 years. So I would I would encourage anyone to watch the end of that. Good old Lenny Cook. Let's keep moving here. But did you like, did you like Marty Supreme as much as I did or you're a little more tepid on it? I did like it. I like, I like main characters that I'm not supposed to like. You know, sometimes I don't like heroes. I sometimes have stories about somebody you don't

want to root for. And then your sort of challenge with, do I do I care about the result here? Am I interested in the result? I also think that you did a good job of kind of keeping it dispensable. Like we're not going to give you the full arc here of like, yay, everything's going to work out. I thought she was awesome in it. Um, his sort of girlfriend, not girlfriend. Oh, a desk to Asian. Yeah, sorry. There you go. Thank you.

No, we just recommend her. Just a case she's listening to the pot. It'd be super cool. But I want to mention that I didn't know anything about Timothy Leary. Like, I don't know anything about Shark Tank. So I'm not kidding. I watch the film, not knowing who this guy was. Like, this guy's amazing. They go, who? And I have to look at how grip is Timothy Leary. I go, I don't know what that is. They go. The guy from Shark Tank. I go,

I know what to show is. I don't know what that. That's the guy I go. I'm going to tell you right now. He's terrific. They go, well, he's like this big capitalist Trump. I go, I don't care. I'm just tell you as an actor. I thought his performance was fantastic. And then see where he's spanked, shallow me. Well, the funniest scenes of the year. Yeah, because I think that was almost like a way of trying to punish shallow me for the audience. Those that were completely annoyed by him.

It's like, let's humiliate him. Yeah. And just show what like a weasily person this guy is. And make sure these paying some sort of tax on the jerk. Like, as much as, because there's probably just people to your point, we've been lines. I'm sure there's people who walk out of theater. Like, I hate that guy. Now, shallow me is, I mean, you want to talk about like people getting pissed at

First off to my point that I didn't know who the hell this lyric guy is. So he just texted me.

“It is Kevin O'Leary that I'm trying to represent Timothy O'Leary. Well, I think as a guy”

took a lot of LSD. Let's get to shallow me all along. I thought he's the guy to win, call me by your name, art house film, him and army hammer, a couple of gay guys in Italy. But I can make blockbusters. I'll make doing with Denis Villeneuve. Okay. I can play Dylan, a complete unknown, not a great film, but a hell of a performance. So the stage is set. Great young actor. Only age of 30, 60 minutes profile loves the nicks. Him and Ben still together.

Marty Supreme, he wins really well. Well, you know, I like that about yeah, golden glow, best actor, great speech. Here we go. Oh, no, you crapped a little bit of the ballet. Why? You took a swipe at the opera singers. He even locks opera singers. Oh, I just want to those. I don't know. Timmy, Timmy, what do you do? It shut up. Stop talking so much. Is that

bit? The PR campaigns gone down. This isn't really that cost. $60 to $70 million. That is an

absurd amount of money as you know for A24 independent studio. It's made $150 million. A lot of that is shall be. That is remarkable promotion by him. So they do need to be out there being the mouthpiece of this movie. Dress up an orange, giant ping pong balls all the rest of it. So Timmy, we love you. You've made the film a resounding success, but you get into one visit at the Baptist. He loses. By the way, I was playing for Ethan Hockettman for Blue Moon.

Well, it gets to that movie in a second. And then at the actor awards, formerly the sags, he loses to Michael B. Jordan. And now Ryan, I don't think he's going to win. Like it was it was a lock. It was a cinch. It shall be. It was shall be versus Leo. That was a little Leo. He's already won before. He's kind of played a part of it. Like that's fine, whatever. One bottle, P. T. Anderson, Michael B. Jordan is going to win best actor.

Because shall be, let himself on fire. This is unbelievable. So the voting wasn't done yet. I don't know how the voting will work there. Not even close. I'm just don't check. Yeah, no, no, voting was done a week in advance. So this past Sunday. So we can advance as close. Oh, so this is, oh, this is raging. We don't feel like voting about it. Academy of motion, picture arts and sciences. And he's just cropping on the arts. What do you got for me on

for going yet? I was in crazy about it. I like your ghost length of his work. And it's strange and weird and esoteric. But I just found it very unpleasant. Like I watched the film. Like I got it. Like I, you know, you're talented out to her. But you're just weird and strange. And I wasn't crazy about it.

“Well, acted by plummins and Emma Stone. You? I think plummins is just so good, man. And he's not even”

nominated. Yeah, not nominated. He's really good in the movie. Sorry, Teddy. That guy's not nominated either. I could see like him begonia. But I mean, listen, you and I love the lobster. I like his other movies. I just find it's a little bit of a rehash personally. Clemens, I love her. Emma, fiddle Emma. She's just fierce. She's perfect for the role. I like that they play along with the suspense of like, okay, obviously, these guys are crazy. And then it's like, wait, she's an alien.

And then it's like, oh, is she actually trying to trick them? And they get him back. And then she's actually an alien. I'll admit. The aliens once she beamed herself up through the closet. And they were wearing like J. Crew role next that went down to their feet. I, I didn't know I, because then when you're going like, oh, we're going to, we're going to mess with you a little bit here. She is an alien. The guys were right. That's like, okay, but how are you landing that one?

“And then it's like, everybody's dead. That's what we're going to do. And then be role,”

dead people all over the place, even though it was very artsy the way they did. It's tough to stick the landing though. That kind of a movie. Yeah, Clemens is worth watching though, because he's terrific. He is the perfect like, disheveled, tortured, brilliant, determined, and, you know, then what an interesting casting though with the Stavros as the cop. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting with with Lanthamoses, one of these guys, once he finds his

muse, he's going to go this. So every single film he ever makes love Emma Stone in it. And she's like,

I will always work with this guy forever, which is people think it's easy to do. But it really

is challenging. This thing, you know, projects you commit to, projects fall apart, funding can't get done, et cetera. The fact that she's like, no, your gross calls, I'll stop everything. That's how much I love this Greek bad boy. Yeah, bad boy. Okay, the secret agent. One of my most overrated movies in the year. I was a Paul. I go, okay, I missed him on this one. Like, every other's one way they go. I said, I go, no, I guess it's me then. I just thought it was

poorly paced, plotting a couldn't care less. I'm shocked, Wagner more of one. I'm a golden global war for best actor. Findies are smoldering Brazilian. I can appreciate the fact he's handsome, but I was a Paul. And I was mad because it's not for best picture. And to me, if you're going to put an international film, put, it was just an accident. That movies unbelievable. Jafar Panae

He goes and makes movie in France. It's about a bunch of prisoners who think they

found the man used to torture them and hold them hostage. They then capture him and try to determine if indeed he was the guy that tortured them. Brilliant movie suspenseful hour 50. It's up for best international feature. And Panae's efforts screenplay. And I go, this has to be up for best image. We go, no, that slot went to the secret agent. I don't know, the secret agent. Best left to secret to me. Oh, look, it's you. Little ebert. Still got it. I don't mind slow storytelling. And I kind

“of like it sometimes because I feel like if there's enough build up, like sometimes I think we're”

getting stuff too soon. It's like, well, how can I have a reaction to this thing that's happened in the first 10 minutes when I don't really even know, although, you know, the very classic storytelling version of, like, we'll give you the end and we'll put it into the beginning. It's like, all right,

I've done it. I'm done it. I'm million times now. So even though it was really slow, I remember hitting

pause about an hour. I think it was like an hour 10 in. I go, I don't even know, I don't know who I'm rooting for, who I'm rooting against. And I don't know what it is that I'm rooting for at all. Now, you want to put me in late 70s Brazil or whatever, early 70s Brazil, beautifully shot. The colors, the music is insane for this. The casting is just perfect. You know, just the daily routine. There's automatic buy-in. And then there's a leg that's escaping in a scene. And I was like,

okay, let's not get too freaked out by what that means. And then the way they jump to timeline with having him play his son later on as some closure, I admit, I got done and went, all right, I've got to look it up. Like, I've got to look it up. And I'm like, I didn't, I didn't get it. And then I read a couple film critics, synopsis of it all. Yeah. And I was like, oh, I guess I did get it. Because when I read what they were trying to explain, it was such horseshit of what they were trying

“to say that it was. I think it was like, it was an escape from time in a revisitation of the,”

and I was like, oh, you didn't, like, you're just making this thing. They tried something different of the end. It was fine. I actually didn't hate it at all. Like, you hate it. I appreciated the way, it was, I don't know. I think I really liked him a lot. But there was this moment of like, there has to be something here that I feel like, like, and then the way they closed it with the time jump thing. And then I was reading this critics thing of like, trying to prove why this,

like, stood for all these things, these signals that you couldn't figure out if you were dumb. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I actually don't think any of this actually applies. Like, I just think this is how they ended the movie. Like, they just jumped ahead. And the closure was that a son gets to know more about a father that he didn't really know through this other person that was going back and investigating these over recordings. So is it the kind of movie like we're,

again, maybe I just missed the boat. Should I give it another chance? Or do you think? No, no, I'm from your PUBG Network. No, I look, it is a very big ask. It is a varies. Like, it's, you know, you think about like decisions and these things. It's kind of shocking that the studio would be like, yeah, no notes like that. First, 70 minutes. That's totally fine. That we have nothing. We have no idea what's going on. Probably because it's so, well,

again, they'd read the scripts. It was not like they're seeing the daily's on this. But it's it is really like visually terrific because it just feels kind of like rhyming in that condensed, you know, city going back, you know, 50 years. Yeah, I don't know. It just, I thought that part was great. What about F1? Another film I hated. Probably the second worst nomination for best picture. And I listen, I'm all for a big populous movie, getting nominated for best picture. I get the

five people say, well, nobody watches the Oscars. Nobody watches his movies. That's not true any more.

Cinder's made a billion dollars. One ball off another is the most successful film of P. T.

Anderson's career by a mile commercial, over $150 million. And F1 is a huge worldwide hit. So I am all for popular movies, getting nominated for best picture. I just didn't think F1 was very good. I mean, I watched it back in July and I just thought could this be any more formulaic.

“And quite honestly, it may be sad because I said, these are two great actors in Brad Pitt,”

Xavier Bardem, just completely mailing it in. Just take in this check. I mean, I liked it better. It was called Driven with Sylvester Stallone. Oh, here we go. I mean, I mean, I honestly run. I like a big budget movie as much as the next guy. But I thought it was really disappointing. I was stunned. I got nominated for best picture. I really was. Nothing on the directing. The car scenes. Nothing. Nothing got you excited about that.

I mean, a Kazinsky is a good director. I know he did the top gun sequel. I mean, it's great in the office. Yeah. I mean, no. It's a John Christmas. This is Joseph Kinsinski, but it's an understandable misstep. I listen, when you view, tell me the car scenes are well done. I'm like, all right, it's good.

actions going to go. It's not Mad Max Fury Road. Like that's the greatest acting. If it's action like that,

that should win best picture. A great George Miller. These are well done deaf scenes. And then the rest of the stuff's all filler. It's like two hours. That's a long movie, two and a half hours of nonsense. I got 20 minutes of driving. That's best picture. What about Brad Pitt not wanting trophies? Yeah, that I mean, that was just so pretty. I may be sad, but this is such a great act. And this is the crappies just churning out. Like, you only got somebody movies left in you.

And this is the movie. Yeah, I'm going to do F1. Maybe 25 minutes. I'll take it. Apple, though. F1. Good branding. I understand. Affleck and David did some crappy movie on,

“you know, I mean, I get it. These guys just take them on me sometimes. Fine. If that's what you're”

going to do, it just subsets me. I'd rather have a once upon a time in Hollywood if I'm Brad Pitt. Yeah, I'm not nominated for Best Actor. Thankfully, no, the film was nominated. That was it. They're okay. We're done with that. What about? Desmond eaters are Damson. Excuse me. Oh, Tamson, eaters. Again, I mean, how many more Tamson to see this? Cockie upstart. I'm not going to take this crap from the veteran. How much more formulaic can we get it with this sports quiz? It's awful.

Painful to watch this. Fake tough guy. Don't come here to drive. Did you just. Who's a fake tough guy? I'm Damson, interest in the movie. Like he's all like, you know, posturing and getting upset at Brad Pitt. I got to come on. I don't know. Brad Pitt's kind of a tough hang in that movie. No, just just knock his teeth out and get all with it. Just knock his teeth out and get all with it. Let's go. Get in the game with a college-rated Venmo debit card and earn up to 5% cash back at some of your favorite brands with Venmo

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blow and I said, well, definitely not my best movie of the year. Gorgeously shot gorgeous. I mean,

like shades of Terrence Mallock. I got from the first, like, okay, this is Terrence Mallock territory.

This is days of heaven. This is thin red line. Like I got it. But as a story, I thought it was narratively inert. I mean, edge of tune. Oh, what? Right. This is an edge of tune to good actor. I know it's about grieving and loss and who doesn't love Bill Macy. You and I are in the jury

“London guard camp for years. I mean, I think William H. Macy is in. Never let us do this before.”

I can knock 10% off that true coat. If William H. Macy is in it, I'm watching it. I'm not going to debate you, Jerry. I'm not going to debate. No, no, wait. This is by deal. We can get you a finder's fee, Jerry. No, no, no finders fee. Wait, no cops. Not cheese. I wasn't crazy about it. I thought it was a good movie, but I wasn't running it to tell people to go watch train dreams. And I think this was the issue, Ryan. We love Netflix thrilled for you. Love the background in this platform. I do think if

that's in a theater, it's a more immersive experience. Netflix is the best, but it is easy to kind of pause. Go get a sandwich, et cetera. Are they watching train dreams and three or four viewings? Wasn't helpful, at least for me. Yep. Yeah, I think it had been like a two viewing thing. I didn't really even know that it was like at that level. I just went edge of 10. Okay, this is, and it was kind of like, every time I turned on Netflix, I was like, all right, I guess this is

something I'm supposed to be in. And then I opened it up and I was like, okay, I can definitely get

“with this in the guy in the middle of the woods. Start a family. I think his pursuit and the happiness”

that he's feeling to be with his family felt incredibly genuine. Like, that story telling beat, even though they kind of rushed through it and the whole thing was terrific. Him, you wondering them fucking with you a little bit unlike the daughters return, but the timeline wouldn't have made any sense for her to still, I would think, I don't know. I mean, if she's a baby walking around in the fire, maybe she had aged enough and that was going to be her. But then it was like,

no, we're not going to do that for you. And then I didn't know if I, I didn't know what to do like when he was watching the moon landing because then it was, it was like, is this happiness for

him and the culmination or did he just actually like going to a city for the first time? I like

So, you have an affinity for logging is telling me? Yeah, I love, I've loved, you know,

“lumber, just I've got to work with wood. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, yeah, that's picture. I think it's”

hamd it. I do. I'm not going to be, it's not going to be for me. There might be, there might be the Marty's to pray for a hand. Those are my two favorites of the year. I'd be thrilled if it was hamd it. Yeah, I really liked it. I, I think, um, movie stays with you. Yeah, kind of does. It's, I mean, it is, if you were ever, if you had roommates, people like, what are you watching? Well, it's a good hang bad hang. Hey, guys, let's watch Hamd it together tonight.

Like, that would be a tough album. I'm telling you, you're going to walk out there feeling differently about the human condition. Like, who is that? Like, that's Jessie Buffy. She's going for it. The crazy thing. I was looking at it again this morning. Like, some of the past winners for everything. Like, the caprio not getting it for the aviator. Yeah. Right. So then the caprio getting it for the revenue and then what that ends up meaning. So like, I'll, I'll look it up and

“get, but there's just, I think it's a really good indicator of what, what could happen? Because”

it almost feels like the voters and it's very human nature, but the voters will then look at history and go, all right, you know, this guy's too. Like, we've got to, we've got to hook this guy up because we host them a few years ago. And then really weird game is like, when you run through some of the nominees, I don't want to go back too far here, but I was doing it this morning. But like your point, go, I'll just be like, Russell Crowe wins for gladiator in 2000. Yeah.

All right. And should have won for the inside of the air before, but go ahead. Kevin Spacey won it. Yeah. American duty. Anyone win it this year? No, he hasn't aged well. So Crowe beats Avier Bardem, Tom Hanks and Castaway, Ed Harris, Jeffrey Rush. So then the next year, Crowe is nominated for a beautiful mind where I'd imagine voters are like, wait a minute. Like, he was great in gladiator, but like, are you kidding me?

You know, so if gladiator is 99 or whatever, but like that performance is incredible, but then you've got him going up against Denzel and training day. So maybe Denzel just head to head against Russell Crowe deserves it, which I'd be totally fine with. That was the argument. But the fact that Crowe just wanted to year before, like there's no chance Denzel's losing. They're not going to give him two years in a row, right? Like that seems to be a pattern very often here. Yeah. And then one

that Denzel should have won it for was Malcolm X 92. Easily his best performance. Like landmark performance. Like Malcolm X is incredible on the greats. I'm sure if you ask Denzel, he'd say, that's the film most personal to him. And yet, of course he couldn't win that year, because our

man Pacino had never won. So I'll had to win for a cent of a woman, because up until then he was

0 for 7. He lost earlier that night for Glanger and Glen Ross supporting actor. So Al is 1 for 8. He had to beat Denzel. So this is what ends up happening. But you know, as a win for dog afternoon and surpico and the godfather, okay, if I will give him 10% of all in, which is good. I mean, who doesn't love who a, but that to your points, what happens? When a guy's do rather than deserving, that's when it generally happens, which is why, again, the search shall in

his case, everyone knows he's a good actor. He's only 30. Like, bro, you're going to get your Oscar. It's fine. Michael B. Jordan's pretty good to sinners. You know, he's done. He's all stationed. Correct, he's great. No one's going to say Michael B. Jordan's not a great actor. So if this guy wins his Oscar now, it could count fine with that. But the whole issue of being due, like,

“that's where I think the two categories we haven't gotten into are supporting actors, supporting”

actors, both very interesting. Supporting actor, supposed to be selling scars guard. He's been acting for a long time. You had that great line about him in goodwill hunting. We did the rewatchables. You said, you know, he's a villain, because he's got the day scarf. You see, able to pull that off and yet he's really good in sentimental value. And now Sean Penn shows up. Like, he's outside smoking. I don't know if he spoke to you or because I'm still going to smoke. Okay, whatever you say,

I'm going to win supporting actor, the Baptist. He's going to show up afterwards, the sags, scars guard. Right? No, Sean Penn. Again, Sean Penn's now in line with his third Oscar. Like, that is a toss-up point flip of your bird-end style, no country for old men, scars guard, or Penn. Now, I think it should be Penn. That's going to be his third Oscar. But I think, even with you and I, not being overly praiseworthy of one battle after another, I did think he was

incredible. That's a great performance who could not be more dissimilar to what Sean Penn stands for.

I mean, he's brilliant at the movie for the walk alone he should win. And then look at supporting actress that was supposed to be Tiana Taylor, who is only in the first half of one battle, but immediately cast an impact. But you go with the long-deserving overdue winner, Amy Madigan at a nowhere, 41 years since her previous Oscar nomination, everyone loved her and feel the dreams that she was not nominated for. She shows up in weapons,

movie? A horror movie? A horror movie. I don't really know how I'm going to watch it. Madigan's the best part of the movie, which she shows up. I'm like, no, this is an Oscar worthy type of performance. So supporting actress, supporting actress both fascinating races going into Sunday. Yeah, I didn't realize this. That Hanks won back to back, though, Philadelphia, and then Forescum over Freeman playing red and shots. Yes. Why would have Freeman 94? Yeah.

But by the way, when you mentioned Hanks and cast away, role your eyes out their audience,

“I think that's his best performance. He didn't win for cast win. I'm like, oh, that's his best”

movie. But he'd already won twice. But I think I'm a third best actor Oscar, especially

in what would have been an eight year span, 70 year span, 93 to 2000. There's no way. That's an herd up. D.L. has got three best actor Oscars, but it takes a while to get to that point. D.L. I mean, D.L. by the way, makes he makes it come back for animal, which is one of the worst movies of the year. He made this way for a son. I love the fact that it's a father-son collaboration, but I'm like, D.L. got Lord at her retirement for this. I just hope he makes more

movies because we love him. He's an all-time great. Yeah, because you could just tell him 94, they weren't going to give it to Travolta. They're like, we're shocked you're even on the scene anymore. So here's all your stuff. But I can say they're great. You're not getting best actor to man, like give us break. Which I think is fair. Like you've done nothing for 15 years. You're making you're the voice of the, you know, your look who's talking, really crappy is making. The reward is

that fact you got nominated and you're employed once again. Go cash and go make broken arrow, go make face off. Whatever you got to do, we were not getting an Oscar. You're not deserving of it. Brandon Frazier won four years ago. Well, that was the one I remember because you were angry about that because I like A24. I like what that studio represents. I went in way too hot. And you're an Oscar guy. You're both like an Oscar. You sold me on that movie. It's sphere.

“I was, um, I was way too hot. And I think it was like no one had gone to the movies and forever.”

Yeah. And I was like, I can't wait. I can't wait for this. Like here we go. And the trailer just sucked me in in a way that I, I just, I was, I came in way too hot. Wave hot for that. Well,

but there's also sucky one of the first scenes. He's he's masturbating to gay porn. Like, well,

but I watch it here. This is the way. This is your introduction. This guy. I know issue with that. It didn't suck you in nor was it repellent. It just was. And the movie itself, you didn't care for. But this is a difference between like hating something. I didn't hate it. I just was, there's a certain standard. Like even if you just said with one about all after another, like I don't, it's a great movie. Yeah. But I'm only comparing. It's like me talking about the Houston Rockets.

Like that's a pretty good team. But if you tell me, hey, they're going to win an NBA championship this year. I'm going to go a little less. I'm going to happen. And so there's just so many, there's so many like the coin brothers could come out with something that everybody's nominating. It's like,

“hey, this is the best thing ever. And I'd be like, there's no way. There's no way it's better than this,”

this, this. It also can be very like, and I was thinking about this before on the nomination of like this picture. It feels like, but I don't know if this is a very myopic view of it. It feels like say that run through the 90s and early 2000s. And maybe it's just our age. And we cared about it. It had more room for it. But I look back at the nomination list. It's like I've seen every movie

because it was a group of movies that everybody saw. I mean, granted, there's always like the one

every now and then, like the penis I probably wasn't like in college going, hey, guys, you know, yes, let's huddle up here. That's another one that has an age. Well, you know, I love gangs of New York. The fact that gangs of New York lost the penis is very frustrating to me. And I know gangs, I know gangs has some issues. I know the whole Cameron DS subplets not great. But DDL, the Caprio, the production is on the directing like Marty's, it's a brilliant movie. Yeah, that one

actually, but see, that's kind of the point, too, is like there are movies that are nominated when we were younger. You know, I'm not trying to make this just about like at what stage of your life you're in. But I'll go back and be like, I will watch these movies multiple times to the rest of my life. Yeah. Right. Yes. And there's a run now of like five to six years where I'll go, there's no way anyone is going to watch that movie again, or like this in five

years ago. What the fuck happened there? Whatever. So I don't know. I don't know if that's an industry thing. I don't know if it's it's my own like interests at that time. But it just feels like gay. There's five movies that are nominated in 1994 and 1995. And you're like, yeah, I saw them. And I still watch two of them. Whenever, like, whenever it's on, I'll give a 20 30 minutes because it just holds up. Am I wrong about that? No, those movies were better back then.

The 90s was a golden age. Just as the 70s were the golden age prior to that. And I do think today's movie is just starting as good. To your point, the reason I was laughing so hard was I was thinking about the Oscars in the COVID air when no madland one best picture. Now that's a fine

the fact female director, director of color winning great. I think it's a good movie. But to your point, I can't imagine anybody in the right mind tomorrow is saying, let's fire up no madland. Like

even at the time, I look up at box ups. It made maybe like $15 million. Like that's a tiny scene

best picture winner. And even more to the point that you're everyone thought that best actor was going to go in a certain direction, which it didn't ended up being Anthony Hopkins winning

“best actor for the father, which I think is a great performance. But none of the people have seen it.”

Like I think years ago, you go, Anthony Hopkins, man, it sounds the lambs. You're so great. And I go, have you seen the father? He wanted Oscar for that. But yeah, he wasn't best actor. He's like, the father's a great, great film, which people I think are going to forget. So I'm upset that I wish the movies of the 90s. Some of these movies now do get lost to the cracks. But maybe they'll get re-found later on. I don't know.

Because it feels like like look at 2015. Here are your best picture nominations. Spotlight, the big short, Bridges Fise, Brooklyn, Mad Macsury Road, the Martian, the Revenant in Room. Here are the nominees for 2020. No madland, which you're going to win money on that one in a couple years going like, did you know what one best picture you were like, the father, Judas in the black and the side, which I thought was really good, make,

minority promising young women, sound of metal, the trial of the Chicago 7. I remember the trial of Chicago 7. That's just crazy. Two like eight movies.

“I don't know. I feel like the shift may be happened in 2016, 2017.”

Because it was fun. You were all in on you. I mean, you and I both love Spotlight. Yeah. But even that, like if Max, if Mad Max had won, because of how just special and unique and what that was, the accomplishment of like, hey, it's going to be car chase for two plus hours and you're going to love it. You're like, no way. It's like, if somebody was saying, hey, this looks going to be, I'm like, that's going to suck. And instead,

you go, that's one of my favorite movies of all time. I don't know how they pulled it off, but they

pulled it off. It's incredible, the whole thing. So again, it's not even to be critical of

the movies that I'm talking about here. But it just seems like there was this pivot. I don't know if it's a shape of water, we're like, we're really going for it. We're going to do some really different weird things and it's up for you to kind of meet us to our side. And it's just a category now that I look back and I'm like, I wonder what we'll say in 10 years when you look at this run of movies going like, yeah, it was just kind of like, maybe nothing can be mainstream anymore.

“I don't know. Yeah. I do wish Mad Max had one best picture. Remember that night, it was”

winning in the tactical category. And it felt like, oh my god, this could be a juggernaut. Like, it won four Oscars early. And ended up winning the most Oscars that believed that Oscars certainly won five, but did not win the best picture and did not win best director at least for George Miller. Back to your point about Ryan Kooley, which you're either in director or picture. That was one that I go, okay. Spotlight's a great film when I love it. You want to give it

best picture fine. But Miller, not winning best director was just painful. It's a great, great movie. I think Spotlight said as Boston movie or yeah, I remember I told you to see that loved and you kind of, I don't have to roll your eyes at it. But I said with tutti says to Mark Roughly, what do you italian? And he goes, I'm Portuguese because they don't want us here. And I said, I like that because it shows how Boston people don't like Oscars. I'm right,

so the tune you go. Well, I think that's a bit of an overstatement of times. People think Boston people are so insular. Yeah. I look like there's a different topic, but I just feel like I see stuff happen in other cities. And I'm like if that happened in Boston, it would only be happening because it was Boston. And since it's not in Boston, nobody ever says anything about that city that's happening. So, you know, but yeah, I get a little bit there. Any other

thing that we need to do before it's your world baseball classic? Yeah, I wanted to talk about blue moon, which is one of my favorite movies in the year, Ethan Hawks, long one of my favorite

actors. It's his first ever best actor nomination at 56 years of age. This guy's been acting for

36 years. Oh, Captain Mike Captain, dead poet society in 1989 with Robin Williams. He's been nominated for what you love, right? He was not if he was supporting actor for boyhead. He was not if he was supporting actor for training day. You know, I got to give love to him. He's going to helping Denzel win that best actor Oscar. Not only twice for best original screenplay, probably before midnight trilogy with Richard Lincoln and Julie Delpey. So he goes in,

since I'm going to make me call blue moon, it's about a five foot two guy named Lorenz Hart who was the lyricist. And so we're going to take place on the worst day of his life. He had this great collaboration. It was Rogers and Hart before it was Rogers and Hammerstein. And then we take place in Oklahoma, open. So he used to be Rogers and Hart. Now it's Rogers and Hammerstein. And there's Lorenz Hart, Ethan Hawks is drinking at the bar with the great Bobby kind of

value playing the bartender. And he's just emptying his soul. It's a great film, Lincoln had directed it, him and Hawks in a special collaboration. And I thought Hawks was astonishingly good. Bad comb over, shaved his head for the role, bad comb over, put on some weight. Let's be nice. But the fact he's five foot two is looking, how do you do that? Like, well, you can make Charlie Chabble a tall, you got camera tricks. It's most fit shot in one

location. It's in a restaurant. So they kind of built trenches at times, you know, Hawks was crouching and stuff. Kind of value himself is quite tall. Anyways, you should at different angles.

And I hope people watch Blue Moon. If you said to me, there's one Oscar you're pulling for. As much as I love Marty's Supreme and Hammer, you said, one award that could go your way. I said, God, I'd lose my mind if Ethan Hawks wins best actor for Blue Moon. It's not going to happen if I'd love to see it. Great actor, great guy, interviewed him years ago at Sundance. How to good year with the low down, which is a series in FX as well. Big fan of Ethan Hawks.

Okay. Let's talk about the World Baseball Classic because when it's on, it's great. It's exciting. I know you're doing it, but really the story isn't USA advancing. It's that Doroso who's a co-worker managing the team goes on and says, like, hey, we don't have to worry about the Italy game anyway. And that's the lineup. And then there's all sorts of controversy around it where he gets just

“worked for a day. And honestly, I felt bad for him. I can't believe there wasn't somebody else”

that was like, hey, here's just how this works. We can't do it. It seemed like no one knew what was going on. And then they had to sweat it out last night with Italy and Mexico and it works out for him. So I'm really happy for him even though I don't even know him. Just because I don't know. Once I started to see somebody taking that much grief that's obviously pretty

explainable for like this exhibition thing. When you have a million other things going on,

you can say, oh, lack of leadership and stuff. Then I see people getting super pissed. I'm like, you don't even care about this. You won't care about it next week. You won't even remember it by May. So, you know, everybody has to go through and sort of pay their penance in a way when there's a mistake that's made. And then I know that the video was taken down. So it kind of made it even worse. Whatever. The point is is like, tell us about this guy and like the way you saw it.

Because I imagine you guys are talking about it, too. Yeah. First of, I love Mark Dorosa. He's like my favorite people at MLB network. He's just a phenomenal human being. The hymn breaking down

“tape is as good as anybody. I know you're fond of Trevor Mattish. Those years together,”

you guys worked together on his been college game beyond the radio. And Mattish, when he can do a breaking down tape. But Dero is phenomenal. Like if you watch MLB Central, there's a reason why that's an Emmy nominee of program with our friend Robert Flores and Lauren Shahadi. And a lot of those Dero, like him breaking down baseball switches, anybody. And I've got to hang with him personally as well. Last year, we were at spring training three days in Arizona. And this is now timely because

him or being at RoyalScamp. And Dero would say to me, hey, who do you want to interview and, you know, we'll switch turns to make it. What do you want to say? I'll take Bobby with him, of course. You can be managing him at Team USA. I'll take Pasquaintino, very likable guy, big personality. So I heard Vinnie, he's great. And he walks around Dero afterwards. And he says, hey, I know Mattelian, but I'm also American. Like, not much winged. He walks away. If Dero looks to be like,

I'm like, I'm looking at a funny Pasquaintino on the team now, which is now hilarious. So, if that's Cortino, at three home runs last night, the guys unbelievable. Team Italy has been the story of the WBC. For the record, Pasquaintino was hit, listen to all the bats prior to that three home run outpers. But it's crazy how this tournament is gone. And at your point, people are so outraged about it. Nobody cared about this tournament until about three years ago.

And then trout struck out against a ton, everyone goes, wow, this is pretty cool. And this year,

it's been phenomenally entertaining. It's always been the Latin American countries of cared.

And I love the D-R. I mean, for no tattoos from my favorite players, my kids love them. That bad flip last day was unbelievable. Like, one thing about Nando, he is as charismatic as it gets, Soto Big Home Run, you can potentially D-R USA, which would be a hell of a semi-final, but don't sleep on my Canadians. This is a Canadian team that has never gotten out of a pool play for ever. And Deno Dowd, friend in colleague, was watch out for Canada. He goes,

not just the Naler brothers, Owen Casey, the part of Burlington, Ontario, OPS over 1500 in pool play, Abraham, Toro, and James Paxton, former redstock. He retired the end of 2024, because I'm coming back for Canada. Big Maple was throwing 96 last night. Canada lost to Panama, beat Puerto Rico, and then beat Cuba, handily. So Canada USA is going to be a hell of a quarter final. I texted D-R all this morning and I said, only for you, whatever, cheering against my home

and native land, go get it. He just texted me back, so I appreciate that, man. So I'm obviously, I don't know, or he would, who's the manager of Jim Canada, but I do know Mark Doros. I know he's a phenomenal human. I hope that he has great success, not only with the network, but as a future manager,

“because that's what he's going to be. You don't have seen all these former players to come”

managers, friends like Aaron Boone, Alex Corra, David Ross, D-Roson, that trajectory, I hope a minor blip in the radar doesn't impact him. I knew I say, has a strong showing.

Good thing for Team Canada too, that got stubby clap at third base.

So first base coach, first base coach. Wow. You know, that roster is wrong. We're going to East Grace, stubby clap. I have Russell Martin listed as the first base coach, and stubby clap is the third base coach. Maybe they said, but going into the tournament, he wasn't first base. You would know what I'm just saying. Tell your nation to get the fucking roster right on the website.

Listen, after what happened, USA beat Canada, if the Olympics, we all know about that. And by the way, thrilled to be in this country, you know, the amount of chirping on their taken, if I was in Canada from Americans here, I was kind of like, yeah, we beat you. It's okay. I thought I'd be getting taunted and mercilessly insulted, but Americans are going to tell you. Wonderful people. Everyone just like, we beat you. Life goes on. Our goal tonight was better than yours.

Maybe a measure of revenge for Canada, you say, in the WBC. I'd dinner with three Canadians last

structure of the world series. Yeah, it was in Furny. Yeah, Furny British Columbia.

“Chinatown children. It's beautiful country, but to get out there Ryan. Oh, my god. The”

prime game was in Vancouver. I left my house 830 AM in Jersey, flight to Toronto, quick-lover, flight to Vancouver. I'm checking in the hotel 845 PM Eastern 12 hours to get there. Now, I know it's God's country. It's great. Overcast every day. It's aesthetically pleasing. And I love Vancouver.

It's a beautiful city. It's a wonderful province. But ultimately, they have inferior already complex.

They know they're not Toronto. So they just, they just hate all things onarium. Like, listen, they're not Toronto. But it's a great place to be. There's no question about it. And as you said, you're fond of logging. I'm sure people will come. I might be a bigger Alberta guy, you know. Yeah, I might. There you go. I like it. Yeah. I like the country right in a pinnicks. You'll be seen again. I'll burn a dude. Bamf is unbelievable. Bamf will blow

up. Yeah. But then again, I went to Victoria, maybe at the wrong time. And I didn't explore enough. So it's a little tough. You're working yourself out of Vancouver and up in your, like, there's all this ocean. So normally, I wouldn't pick bamf with no coastline. Yeah. So you

like the water. I do like the water a little bit. But I would say, you know, it's kind of all over

the place right now, just my rankings of all the territories. And I don't have an update. So I can show that with, you know. Well, the reason I mentioned Vancouver is Rudy has to clip loaded. Micro, blah, blah. One of the great singers of all time to join the Sunset because it's a huge conox fan. And he's a co-owner of Vancouver, giants the WHO. So boobly is there with the sunset. And then, you know, you've got to seize the day, you know, how much I love the crunars. You know, I have

an affinity for miles, Davis, but deep in my heart. I adore Sonatra and all the singers that vintage, which micro, blah, blah, blah, blah. Sonatra. Well, the boobly is like the Canadian Sonatra. Sure, he hit it. This was a great moment. Yeah. Yeah. Is it really? Yeah. Oh, me. Yeah. Come, you do with me then. Call me irresponsible. Call me. Oh, undeniable. Oh, and just move to. I think I think that's you. Irresponsibly. Yeah. Take that to my great now. Wow.

I figured you had something up your sleeve because you hadn't shot it out half of Bristol. That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. How was the property brother? Just loaded with just some glad and enthusiasm. I'm thrilled to mention, because the previous week, the producer goes to me, hey, we're going to get boobly and I go, oh my, are you kidding? I go, right into my boobly. He said, I have to go. I assumed you were a fan. He was also going to have on, I don't have to google his name.

Whatever the guy's name was. I go, who's that? You remember his name? He was on the desk with you.

“You have to look it up. Well, that's not like you. But I said, okay, because we're going to have”

this guy to go, who's that to go? That's the guy we have to have on if we're going to have boobly on. I go, okay, no problem. I said as long as I get to sit next to boobly. So I told Willon right our great stage manager, I go, hey, whatever it takes, make sure boobly is next to me, because I don't, I don't know anything about this guy. But he's the biggest guy. The best part of Drew Scott is his name. His brother Jonathan Scott is married to Zoey, Dationel.

So, system of highwood royalty and Drew's a nice guy. He's gigantic, six foot four. He's on the seat with me, Blake Bolden, Chris Ponger. Chris Ponger is one of the greatest defenseman in a hockey history. Drew Scott is the guy from property brothers. And as we got stood up, Drew Scott turned to Chris Ponger. He's the co-owner of the Vancouver Giants, the WHO. He was a super big hockey fan. Says to Chris Ponger. Sorry, what was your name again? There you go.

I almost hit the floor laughing so hard. Chris, hey, nice to meet you Chris. Drew Scott did not know who I was. But now we all know man, boobly together. He definitely did up at the pronger thing. But imagine there's a guy who's owns a D league team and there's Moses Malone on sending 'cause I'm sorry. What was your name again? Moses. Oh, Moses and nice to meet you.

See you first, Nate. You can see Addy at work throughout baseball season. We'll have him

on the beginning of the year because if it's nice outside, let's play two. It's a lot of fun, Ryan. Thank you, buddy. Thanks to you, it's really congrats. If you're at the wine, good for you, GMODE sideways, let's go. All right, yeah, man. Not tricked anymore alone. No, not tricked anymore alone.

“You want details? Five. I drive a Ferrari, 355 Cabriole. What's up?”

I have a ridiculous house in the South fork. I have every toy you can possibly imagine. And best of all kids, I am liquid. So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. Life advice, life advice, RR, GMODE.com. We get Kyle. We get screwedy. My name is Ryan. How are you? Let's get to it. Let's just get cooking here. We got some feedback. I actually even thought about this last time before I went to bed. I figured this is going to happen. So I'm not even upset about it,

but I want to call her so-so. I thought that we're going to be a few people that thought we were like, hey, the other guy assaults the other guy and you're like, hey, work it out. But that's just the way

like figure out any way to cater to you, which I think we kind of touched on there a little bit.

But here's an email. We'll read one of them. It's quick. I think you guys are a bit too dismissive to the story about the dude getting his ass kicked by his friend. I'm not saying a night out with the guys can't get physical fights sometimes happen. Punches sometimes get thrown, but I do just straight up beating the shit out of his friend and leaving him with a bloody face black eye and bruised head for no reason. It's absolutely insane. Barely apologizing and immediately trying to

shift the conversation while the friend has to explain to his fiance family, etc. Well, I look like a UFC victim is even more insane. I can't imagine this happening in my friend group and if it did, there's no way I invite that piece of shit to my wedding. Yeah, that's that's out there. Again, I totally get it. We kind of talked about 95% of that and I sort of, I just said like, if he was lost the booze and you could see it in his eyes and there's nothing there is that's

“when you're like, I'm not saying I'm making excuses, but like that's how you can sort of”

reckon with how could if someone I call a friend do this is like, if if that was the situation, if he's just got some weird, you know, place that he can go that you're not sure about, but I mean, if he was just completely lost to the sauce and you're just, you can see no one's home there and it's like, I don't know, that's what that's where I would try to be a little bit understanding whereas like if this friendship is, it's not like, well, that's, that's it forever. If it just depends

on what kind of, it's a nuanced podcast and this was a nuanced situation, I think. Well, that's the thing, like I assume if he's emailing into life advice, he wants to reconcile it. Some point out, this is open to that. If it was a cut and dry case, I don't think he's emailing into life advice, he's just like, at the fuck out of my life. So we tried to explore some other avenues, but yeah, if you wanted to say, hey, I don't want to see you again, you're not invited

by wedding and there we go. All right, we could keep it moving. Just wanted to do one of those because it was something even I thought about before I saw the emails this morning. All right, I thought you're going to say people were mad about telling us the unemployed guy to like, maybe just, just show, maybe just skip a week again. Yeah, I know there's something I did here,

“but I just, right. Yeah. I don't know that I'm ever like, hey, this is the only way to play”

up. And this is absolutely right. This is totally wrong. I mean, if we just wanted to do guests and knows on these, we could read more and they'd be able to grab it fire. Yeah, we would do that this summer. Magicate fall. New segment. Yeah. 100 like advice questions and 12 minutes. All right, girlfriend's dance team. What? Say that again, girlfriend's dance team. 510, 190 pounds, no Jim stats, 29, easing my way back into the gym. All right, man, you ease away.

My girlfriend is the coach of a high school dance team. Okay, that makes a little bit more. All right, context. Yeah, because I was wondering, like, could you date an aside, tend to do this? The in arena stuff that you have on league pass, if you don't see any of the commercials, like, it's just, you start to get to a point in the NBA season. You're like, I wouldn't mind a couple commercials right now. That's my way. They're part of the summer, isn't she? Like,

this one, she tolerates me having to leave passes because she likes to watch stuff and all the mascots and what's it, what's a big red or whatever her name is? She loves to watch all this. Red panda. Red panda. Red panda. It's big red. Yeah. That's good. Oh, yep. And then you can kind of get into, like, oh, if it's an Orlando game, I expect this, if it's a Minnesota game, I'll expect this. And when it's a Houston game, I don't know what they're

doing down there, but you're like, here we go. Um, and the cameraman absolutely knows what he's doing. And he just like, what is going on here? I was thinking about this. If you were on a

first day in the jumbo tron cameras on your day, and she's dancing like a lunatic, is that good

or is that just, hey, I can't, I can't date you if you're going to be doing this regularly,

“what are talking to dance cam? Yeah. I think you, I think you throw caution to the wind”

at the dance cam. I wouldn't, but I'm not built like some people are. And I think if you're built like that, that might be a good quality. It wouldn't be a deal breaker, but it would do to mental note. There would be a second day, if that was the only red flag, but it's a note. I saw somebody doing it, and they were just violent, and she wasn't a very good dancer. And it got a little deering. Yeah. Yeah, like if it's, you know, that guy at the same time,

I don't want to be kids. Little dad from around. That's, yeah. You know, because maybe it's just Kyle, just, you know, kind of splom my half arrow. I'm like something. I know you had something else to say, sir, but you are also very good at timing, and you realize like, that can't say anything now. No, the video, you know, the video that the, the Celtics game was the song, and that guy just like goes down to my Joey. Yeah. Yeah. Half way to the prayer. Yeah, that would be that probably

be upleaving. If I was a, if I was a girl, that's the first day. That's a legendary one. That's a legendary one.

Like, that's a little light too. Good enough. Yeah. That's. So if you were on a first or second date with someone, and then living on a perking on it, and then she just slowly cascaded down the stairs,

started going like full throw. Bon Jovi. You would find out for me. Yeah. Think about that one,

“but I think anything else, you know, I think they were just going to pour his life. Like,”

yeah, that's my girl. Yeah, she just comes and says back now, like, what do you say? Like, wow,

I was, all right, I was incredible. Great. Do you want to get out of here right now? Anyway,

we'll, yeah. Can I get your father's phone number? All right. Uh, my girlfriend's the coach of high school dance team, some background. She dance in college, one three national championships and four wood championships. That sounds pretty good. Yeah. She gets upset with me that I don't go support her at her team's competitions. These events are loud all caps and high school girls screaming, stuck up rich parents in terrible music. I try to go to one to two events a year locally.

Our big issues. They have nationals at Orlando every year. And I don't go with her family. I don't like to fly. If I have to fly, I'd rather go anywhere else than to fly to watch dance and be a Disney. I, I get to be honest with you. And I'm, I'm with you on that one. So far so good.

“Yeah. Hey Ryan, do you want to go to a high school dance competition at Disney?”

Yeah. If I win without any connection, anybody, I imagine after about 10 minutes, somebody be like, well, can you come with us? Am I an asshole for not being interested in her hobby and not going to Orlando with her family? If not, how do I convince her of that? I don't know that you're going to be able to convince her because if I know anything about the dance world and the competitive dance world, it's that they're very passionate about it. We're talking about accessories in the

hair, talking about practicing in front of the mirror, even when no one's watching, you know, I'm saying, and it's just like, there is this culture of that world. Would you understand better than any of us do, really? But they're entire thing is about support. You know, the secondary thing that is supporting the main thing. So by definition, they are the offensive linemen of female entertainment because they are really, you know, the core values of it that they

be doing something for the team and then they get to do the competitions on their own the whole thing. So by you not supporting them is like the antithesis of their entire DNA. Yeah, I don't want to like shallow my all over myself here, but I'm thinking like, is this like, and when I was in high school and stuff, like it seemed like it wasn't like our the local teams or whatever was like winning the state title and then went to nationals. It's like

it was almost like they just got to go. Like it just seemed like every year. I know, I'm not just not trying to do this. I'm asking is it like, is it penciled in that we're going every year no matter what? Or is it like you grab your the best in the state again? And you're going again. And this is something that you can't figure it out. But I'm just thinking in my head if it's just like we're just penciling it in every year or is it like, yeah, you were the best in the region or

“the bet whatever. Like that's I wonder. I'm with wish I didn't say that, but I think you get what you said it.”

I think you get what I'm saying. Yeah, I think you're right. I don't think I don't think they'll necessarily go over well in that community. But you know, it needs to be said. I don't know that we have a ton of reach in that community. You're right. You're not being ever know stuff breaks through. Somebody clips off something and you know, here we go. Yeah, I just felt like the same girls I knew were like

going again to the world championship every year. I was like, are you guys incredible? Like what how

do you guys get in every year? But so yeah, I feel like the worst people. Like girls who did a question when you were younger, you're like, how many? I only know one a question person. So it's like, is it just you and everyone else from their one town that goes, these things get deep into this. Well, I guess you got to qualify for some regional competitions. But I'm looking at some numbers here saying it's either first place or in the top 50%. So I don't know. It was 50%.

30 teams, 15 qualify for nationals. And then you do have to pay to be in the national damp dancing competitions in Orlando, but the registration fees, that seems more like let's not be formalities on that. Yeah, that the numbers that I'm seeing here seem just so we like, hey, you're just keeping the lights on. Yeah. Wait, how many did you say she does a year? There's just one. Something she does a lot. He says he goes to two a year and it doesn't seem like it's

enough. So two years. Do you think, do you think the problem? Maybe not the problem is, do you

think his problem that he's created is that he'll like, I'll go to some of these and this one's super important. He's like, well, if you're going to these two, you're not coming to the big dance. No pun intended. Like, uh, do you think maybe that's like he already got he already got in enough where as if he just had a hard stop of like, I don't do these that it would be expected that he wouldn't go. I'm wondering if he's lying about not liking to fly.

I see what's going on here. Maybe there's an angle there. How many probably doesn't like to fly if he admitted to us, but he's admitting to himself to convince himself.

I really got to work through some stuff for my own head and I just think I've been advised not to.

Yeah. Let's say it's totally true. She was like, I don't care. I want you to feel, I want you have tons of anxiety on takeoff. $1,000 am per extra. All right. Let's have to have three whiskeys just to settle yourself down and then your day hungover and then landing drives you

“absolutely crazy, but that's love and you have to come to this thing that you hate on top of the”

entire journey here as well. I just don't know that there's a lot of dudes that are ever going to want to do that. And I guess the question that any part of you want to true a year already? Yeah. It's like, that feels pretty generous. I think it feels like a good number. Like if there's ten or so generous. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, I don't know if she was like this one. Yeah. We're because none of us want to go. Yeah. Ever. No. The question is how mad. Like you know how Ryan's like,

well, how hard are you? How hard are you? How hard are she? How mad would she actually be? Is it like a little sprinkle of disappointment? Or is it just like, you know, I don't know if he's the one. If he can't. Well, the issue is on top of the family's gone. If it's the rest of the family too

and you're the one guy who like, hey, he's just always, you know, Steve's not going again. It's just like,

yeah, it's not a good look for you. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. Mom probably are going to love that. You know, there might be some cool stuff in Orlando. There aren't. Yeah. Listen, good basketball. The magic. I heard there's a new thing interactive. What is he going there? Yeah. Trying to figure out what is, you know what, I'll do this another time. Can you line it up with some magic tickets? Yep. I feel free on this one. I mean, that's a tough

tough scene. That's not like going to a bad movie. It's not like going to a concert. You don't want to go to long weeks. I like, hey, you know, it's my wife's best friends, boyfriend, fiancee, and he's

annoying. You know, he's sitting there saying that he could strike out judge if he hadn't got

her in high school. Like, you know, we know we played all these roles and all those different scenarios. This is a tough one. High school dance team competition on top of that Orlando. He says, like, try to go to one or two events a year locally. That means there's probably some zeros in there on the resume. Yep. Yeah. If it averages out the two, so yeah. Um, because he's saying, am I an asshole for not being interested in her, quote, hobby? I don't know. Do you better

call it a hobby to her? Because it sounds like this is, you know, that old, actually, I was asking

“you, yeah, what would you do if you were retired? And then it's like, well, that's what you should”

pursue. It's like, well, you can't all do that. But, um, yeah. Ain't that the truth. Yeah. sucks. Oh, shit. Everybody gets it. Is it like a due to clothes? One of what, like, you would be like, like, you would want your wife to do. I guess I would be like, I'm trying to think of what one, like, don't come because I'll just do this on my own. I don't know. Okay. I need you to just start coming to like three or four ice fishing competitions each year. Yeah. I'll let you

jump water because you're outside. It's cold. Although some of those ice fishing setups, man. But you're ready to drop money on those. Yeah. Yeah. She's in a high school gym watching you play against other four year olds. I wouldn't want anyone who was ever dating to show up to men's league basketball games. Yeah. Softball. I remember one goes like, yeah, I was like, what are you talking about? Please don't. I'll set up some real cool for later for us, but please don't. Yeah.

“Get some leavesackers after. Local reference. Okay. Uh, someone in my life is getting away with”

something. Hello, Dream Team benefits and Spotify days. All the way back to Spotify days. So you know, I wouldn't write it unless it was serious five, 1162, 144, half marathon, PR, player comp is Adam Morrison, but I earned my ring wedding. Wow. I also want to say RIP to work on. He says rag on. I know he's smiling down on us from his airport lounge and heaven. I think he is. That's what gets me through the day. Just so many people are hitting us up with that guy.

Smoking that marathon number. Yeah. Let's just work off of this. You can't. Can't ask we're going. I'd love to do just some way of like having a work on pre-tap, just everything like Denikari. Do you want to drop? Denikari? No. Denikari of tool. Denikari. You fucking moron, right? Um, I did love it. Tough nicely. So when Denikari did the bit where you Tom broke on, they had a like prepare for anything. Age gap,

alert. I can see it in your eyes right now. Look that one up. It's terrific. We could have wore gone. Just pre-record a bunch of things. Do like, is that time good? You'd be like,

You know, we could, you know, we honestly, we actually messed up. We should have just done this and not told anyone a workout didn't come over with us. And people would still think he was around. You know, and just start hitting drops. It's like a weekend at Bernie's situation. That would have been great. Just different work on drops that we could have had. I don't know about this. I don't guys. Yeah. Do you guys don't like it, man?

“Just trying to think of like what would be the best way, most efficient way to cover all this stuff.”

Okay. All right. Back to the email. I have a friend who orders an espresso martini when we go out and tells people that they're really into martinis. The only thing in a espresso martini

hasn't come over with a martini is the glass. By that logic, a shrimp cocktail is basically sushi.

Shall I respectfully push back or let this go? I feel like someone else will push back and he'll just be way more embarrassed. Yeah. He's just like, oh, no, he's just holding work on. I had a, I had a, that's a tricky one. Yeah. I had a buddy who we went to like, and he was in Chicago. We were visiting another friend. Senior folks. Nope. I was like, up, there's some building, there's something that they're not the price of building, we're up with a serious tower. There was some

top building bar, whatever we went to. It was nice, it's decent spot. You know, you kind of order nice drinks, people are dressed nicely. And my buddy ordered a frozen margarita. And the waiter was like, you're really going to make it the blender out at this nice place and he was like, what? It's a margarita. It's like, it's not really a margarita. Like, it's like a frozen margarita. The margarita is, you know, they're very, they're very different, especially at a nice establishment. And he

like could not understand that like that was like a weird move to do. And we still make fun of him to this day. It's a weird boat. It's a really weird boat. He also has dude looks like a lady on this

“workout playlist. So is this an interesting guy? What the fuck? How old was he when the song came out?”

I was pretty young when that song came out. Oh, he's my age. Yeah, I always, you know, he's so

dude. The song's older than he is. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I had that. I had that burned out of CD for some reason for a while. It was like track eight and my like one of my car CDs. The only time I've heard that song is listening to Mrs. Doubt Four. Fire or if it comes on the radio. I have not willingly put that song on my life. Yeah, it's kind of like a bug in my ear for a while there. I don't know a wait is pump not the one. Oh my God, I feel terrible now. Permanent is wait. Pump came out in

89. That's love in an elevator. Janice get a gun. So 87 is permutification. Dude looks like a lady angel angel ragdoll. I can people love Day Smitty for a while. Well he was born 88. So he was not born yet when that song came out. Okay. Anyway, drinks. It's a weird move. It's not a martini. Parts are going to hit your guts. If it's a place now, there's going to be some people listening it's going to be like, hey, if you have a plunder and it's a service and you have it on the menu

then I'm going to go ahead and order it. But I don't know that's sort of weird like he could have just like did he have to go back in the kitchen to go grab the blender to they have them out or where they behind the bar and sight and it was like a thing on the menu. I don't remember fully but they like they had to get the blender out. It's not like it was just like easily accessible. Kind of clear some counter space. Yeah. It was like it was in a cabinet behind some other stuff.

Probably has some dust on it. They probably don't even use it for drinks or something else. Anyway. Yeah. Master guy. Love him. But it just, yeah.

“Would you buy him aerosmith tickets? Would he go see aerosmith now?”

What was wedding song was also an aerosmith song? I never, I guess it's guys a legend.

Well, what was that one? I was the the armor getting song. What's that song called? You know, they want to grow nice, you know, and time out. Yeah, that was really how I do. Thanks man. No, I was. Yeah. I was like. Yeah, shit. That was good. What's that song? I don't even care. I don't even care. I should rename it. Don't want to miss a thing. There you go. Yeah. Okay.

But I, you know, it's the funny thing. I've never even heard him talk about aerosmith. But he's he has two like very specific aerosmith things in his life that I don't bring up nickel back off and doesn't mean I don't think about them. I had nothing against nickel back at all. I think aerosmith is too popular during that soundtrack. And it was like, all right, this is all we can do for you guys now. Like,

no one can ever like anything you do again. It's just too much. It was too much. Hi, let's do for us. There's a bunch of questions. But what about the martini question? Yeah.

But what do you want to say? Do you care? I don't have anything. I think he'll be corrected by the

market for the force as the ground. Yeah. Yeah. I think someone else will, it'll just be way more

“embarrassing when it comes from a stranger. But you should just say, no, I'll have a real martini”

after he orders his martini. That's a good one. Yeah. That's easy. Everyone has a lot of stuff to get.

You can get mad. Get mad about the world baseball classic. You know, that's something.

“You're fine. You'll be other stuff to be mad about, don't get mad about every day.”

True friend. He has a passion. It's just personal martinis.

All right. That'll do for the show today. Thanks Tom. Thanks Kevin.

“Thanks this really. Thanks to Kyle. We will be, we loaded week next week. I'm not even sure.”

Yeah. You know, so pretty excited. Thank you. Now, be good. Brian, we're social. Our social sports. [Music]