Low Libido, Hormone Imbalances, & How To Reignite Your Sex Life Ft. Josh & Katy Whalen Of Joi + Blokes

They are The Bostics. Hello everybody, welcome back to another episode of The Bostics. Today we have Josh and Katie Whalen, who are The Founders of Joy and Blocks, and Lauren and I fell in love with this couple. We loved this episode.

They were so honest. They were so open. They were so raw and vulnerable, and they had a ton of great information to share. So who are Josh and Katie? Josh and Katie are The Founders of Joy and Blocks.

They're obviously a married couple as well, and they have created a platform that helps people optimize their health, figure out hormones, figure out what's going on with their blood work, and this was right up, Lauren and Isaac. There's, you know, ton of things in health and wellness here. Some of the topics that we discuss on this show are how to manage hormones to save your marriage,

talking about your sex drive and your sex life, which is very important. The dynamics of business partners as a married couple are just a couple in general. While funding the future of the health care system, breaking down peptides and TRT, and again, like I said, they were so honest, open raw and real on this episode. Josh specifically was talking all about his hormone levels and testosterone.

It was one of the first times a man has come on the show and been this raw and vulnerable about it.

“And I think it's going to help a lot of people, especially men out there, or couples in general.”

Together they're committed to creating a system where people feel heard, supported, and empowered across every stage of their health journey with that. Josh and Katie, welcome to The Lostix. Welcome to The Show. You guys. This is so fun to do this with another couple. Yeah.

We're excited to be here. Thanks for having us. Thank you so much. Let's get the lay of the land. How did you guys even get into what you're doing now?

Like, where did this even start? It's pretty simple. I was about 60 pounds heavier and I lost my sex drive and she was going to divorce me. So it was, that was the initial birth of it.

And I had always been in health care, majority of my, I mean, the last 17 years of my life

have been in health care. And we were peaking with one of the businesses that we had. There were stem cell businesses, regenerative medicine, and as soon as those were certain the peat, COVID hit. So for the first time, and if you remember, there was like this really low point of not

doing anything.

“She was like, "Hey, dude, you're fat, you don't have a sex drive, and I'm going to divorce”

you." And she'd been telling me that. For a while. It was so, I couldn't get any, I would try it all the things. We went to sex therapy every day.

It was like right after we got married, and when we got married, I was 35. So all I wanted was like a family, right? And that was the exact time when he had no interest in sex. So I'd like, I tried to write out a note, like, "Let's make out once a week." I mean, we--

There was a lot of note. A lot of notes. We went to a sex therapist, and it was just like nothing was working, and I also thought it was my fault. I'm like, am I too fat now?

What, what? You know what I mean?

It was a very tough time in our life, and it was a thing that, I mean, I always had a

sex drive, and then I just didn't have it. But to kind of wrap it up, I was like, "Okay, she's serious. I got to take some action here," and I went and saw a bunch of primary cardox and internal meddox. And it was my definition of being gas lit.

I knew I wasn't feeling good, and they just told me, dude, you're normal. It was a couple of pounds, and go back to your wife and Katie's like, "Dude, I'm not playing. We're going to get a divorce." And then just by sheer luck, I threw up a whole Mary with my brother-in-law on my sister and I said, "Hey, here's the situation.

At that time, we were living in Denver," and they said, "Go see the Paul battle." He's a PhD in a PA, and he was this optimization guru, like, a longevity doc, six years ago, and nobody was talking about this stuff. Now, everybody's a peptide expert, right? Right.

And so I went to him and I'm like, "Oh, we should. This is interesting." Put that down with him for an hour. We didn't talk about any medications. We didn't talk about blood work.

We didn't talk about anything. And he just quizzed me. He just went through my life. I mean, even asked me a question, like, "What was the last time you had a morning would, dude?" I'm like, "I don't even remember."

And then he's like, "Okay, we're going to go get your blood drawn." I go get my blood drawn, I come back and I see him. He is like, "Dude, you're a hot mess." You're a lipid profile's a mess. You're pre-diabatic.

Your testosterone levels are like that of a seven year old man. They were like 200. And I was feeling it. It was supposed to be like 800 or something like that. You know, the range is like all over the place where we kind of say is where you thrive

somewhere between 700 and 1200. But the range that the standard BS range is 300 to 1,000. So it all made sense. And that was the single encounter that I credit to putting me on a warpath to prioritize my health,

saving our marriage, and ultimately starting this business.

Because it wasn't right away that, I was like, "Oh, there's a business here." It was like two months later into the treatment. So it was like, "Holy shit, what is that?" Looking back, what do you think caused the weight gain

“in the testosterone job was it or the hormone imbalance?”

It's a combo of a lot. I worked hard played hard.

Like I was taking doctors out early on in my career at Striker.

“You know, twice a week, drinking big bottles of red”

and having steak, and then I'd be up at Red Rocks party and with my boys. He needed me to come into his life and tone things down. So you were having some fun. A lot of fun. Too much fun.

Like to the point where it was becoming a job waking up on Monday,

but I always could grind it out.

And then when I met you in the hallway, I was when I walked out and I was like, "Oh, this guy, we could have done some damage." He seemed like a fun guy. He was still caught. But it's only twice a year now.

I get my special occasion. That was part of it. And then Katie and I had just a ton of issues with fertility. And our first miscarriage was like, it really hit me hard as a man. But wasn't really, it wasn't even really a miscarriage.

We had, you know, because I was advanced paternal age at that point. They do all the genetic testing. So we found out there was a genetic defect. And the baby girl wouldn't survive. So it was traumatic.

We had no, we were so naive when we started and had no idea.

Like, shit like that could have been. So broke both of our hearts. But the funny thing is I was like, Warrior woman mode. I was like, we're going to do it again. Keep doing, keep trying.

Like, I'm not going to stop. Three o'clock. Yeah, I was like, let's go.

“And Josh, I think we didn't, I didn't know it at the time.”

But he was, he was heartbroken. And he was like, I need a minute. But he was too afraid to like, talk to me about that. Because I was on my mission. So that was hard too.

And then, you know, I ended up having, several more miscarriages and did all the IVF stuff. And then we had our two babies when I was in my early 40s. And at that point, I remember you asking me to, to join and help.

There was a point. It was like COVID. Yeah, I was like, I'm desperate. This business is going to fail. And we just had the guy side.

And I was like, I'm like in my little baby bubble of like a few months old. Our second son row. He was like, just like three months at that point. I'm like, I don't want to like, I'm good. I'm going to support you.

I'm going to be the supportive wife. But then he was like, I need your help. So then for me, like, the impetus for me to start joining. And was like, I went through my own shit. After like all the, after all the miscarriages.

After all the IVF. And then having my kids in my 40s. It was wild. I had a moment where it was like, I had all this help to get pregnant. And to stay pregnant.

And then all of a sudden, you know, you go to your six week appointment. And you're like, and he's like, you're fine. Go ahead. And I'm like, I'm not fine. overweight. My anxiety was wild. My brain fog was heavy. Well, the other thing too, like, I was like,

okay, the shoes on the other foot. Yeah. Then I should know something. I'm like, I'm feeling good. Like, where's it at? Yeah. Miss match. Oh, no, no, it was in our, and I was like, see, I told you, it wasn't just me. You know, there was some shit going on. Yeah. Yeah. Then I got it. I normally hear because I talked to a lot of men behind the scenes, and they say that my wife is lost sex driver. My girlfriends lost their sex drive. You don't hear as many women being really open

about their husband or their boyfriend losing their sex drive. I find it very refreshing that you're opening up about that. What was the inner monologue that got you to even say something before you said

“something? Yeah. Honestly, it was so tough for me because I did feel like some sort of shame. And that's”

when I was like, what is it me? What's wrong with me? And you, I often heard stories of like, oh, God, my husband won't, can't keep his hands off me, which made me feel even worse. And I just like sat there quiet, you know, going like, I wish my husband would put his hands on me, you know. So that was super challenging. And, you know, I think, I think you just literally came full circle too. We were just fed up. I mean, it was. Once we figured out what it was, then I felt better. I was like, it's not me,

like, this is something we can fix. And then you fix it. And, you know, it ended up being great. And then all of you know, then when I lost mine, I'm like, no, I get it. Like, it was it, it's not, I'm not attracted to you. But like, there's something hormonal that just happens. So I know we're going to dive into the specifics, but I just want to keep hearing your story. But what was the thing that you did to fix it? We just, you got testosterone and an absolute game

changer. I mean, I went from, you know, zero to hero in like three months. And there was for me,

like, an amazing light bulb moment. And I was at that time I was doing all the peptides too. But

it was really just like, I got motivated. I was prioritizing the gym, working out, mintily physically. Everything was just connecting. And then all of a sudden I was like, oh, shit. I got some morning wood going. And wait, what is zero to hero? Is it boner every day, sex, every second? What's the zero to hero? Listen, it's morning wood every morning. Morning wood every morning. And that's a very funny day. What are you doing every morning? I'm still I'm still getting my morning wood.

I'm still getting my morning wood. I'm still getting my baby's right now. But, but what I tell people all the time about this subject, it's not a matter of if it's a matter of when honey. And I talked to, you know, we just had Josh tomorrow on this show. We were talking to him

older and really talking about this for a long time. And like, I don't think there's any shame in that game. It's a natural thing that happens to men and women. The hormones change, especially as you age. And what I tell people is we have these kind of tools now that we can use to age

“more gracefully and to feel better. And so for me, like, I think about this stuff a lot. It's like”

at some point, and again, why I want to talk to you guys, it's not a matter of if it's a matter of when. Yeah, I mean, to like a very basic level, if you're deficient in vitamin D, you take more vitamin D. Why are we stereotyping testosterone? It's one of the most beautiful hormones when it's done right. And women as well. Yeah, and women too. That was actually

one of the first things I did after I went through the men's side. You know, the first thing I did

was actually some thyroid hormone. But then when I started on testosterone a few months later, I was actually able to get off of thyroid because it just my body started working better. So testosterone was super helpful for me too. And at that point, that was what four and a half years ago, I had no idea that women could take it. It was way more, you know, stigmatized. I think then. I think even now women don't even realize that. I mean, so many women come to this and they're like

testosterone. I mean, what are you talking about? Did you see the recent stuff with jelly roll? And this has been like publicized. Just how he's crushing? Yeah, how he basically went from like prepubescent hormone levels to, you know, when he did his way, he did his weight loss. Yeah, a lot of people are now starting to talk about what they weren't talking about before.

I mean, this is public now. So I'm not talking about a school. Is that what he, one of the first

things he did was get the testosterone back up in the right place because before he had such high estrogen levels that he, but no matter what, he could not get the weight off. Yeah, by bringing the testosterone up, estrogen drop. And then he started able to get the weight off and obviously feel better and changed his life. You know, so to your question earlier, people don't realize, I mean, I mean, everybody knows that when you're going through pregnancy, the women's bodies and hormones

are changing, that ultimately is what happened to me through four miscarriages. My testosterone levels tank, my estrogen levels went up. Your cortisol was like a mental midget about having kids. Like, I was really nervous about it. So I was, I, my stress levels went up. So like, it was just

“a soup in this recipe of me just becoming a kind of a turf hurt quite frankly, you know?”

A lot of people say that you can like save your sex life, save your marriage, but I kind of also

believe that if you, yes, save your sex life, but saving the desire for a woman, it's so important as a woman to feel desired by their husband. Do you think that that also played into it? Yes, the sex, but also just feeling desired by your husband? Oh, yeah, that's a super important. Yeah, I'm dressing laundry right. And I'm like, whoa, oh, yeah, yeah. I was, it got, it got heavy and I'm embarrassed by it now, but I like the honesty. No, I mean, I, I love being honest because I,

we have a saying that we say marriages. The hormones literally saved our fucking marriage. Like, if it wasn't for testosterone, I'd be a dad with two kids and she'd be having them one. There's a lot of shame around this topic. And listen, Lord and I are very open people. Would even just send, like, there's a thing with men specifically when it's like, oh, your testosterone's off. It feels like you're attacking the masculinity. It's like, no, I'm still a man.

Right. It's, so I think a lot of guys are innocent. It's a sensitive thing. And then I think a lot of women are sensitive to not put their guy in that position, right? And so then there's that. And you know, Lord, if we're being honest, we have people that we talk to in our life that are in relationships that bring this issue to us and talk about it. And there's a lot of shame. It's kind of like, one partner doesn't know how to approach the other. And one person doesn't

want to tell the other partner that they're having issues. And so like, they don't talk about it. They beat around it and say, oh, I'm just not into this. It's like, no, there's a, there's a, there's a hormonal issue likely going on. Yeah. That people are ashamed to address and talk about. And it's so important to be balanced together, right? Like, you don't, you don't want your husband just be the only horny one. And then you're like, kind of annoyed, right? Like you want to have a sex drive to.

And, and I feel like we've figured, and that's honestly what's helped us to like, through the, through working together, through scaling the business. It's like, it's been really stressful. And I don't, you know, there's been challenging times where we've questioned if we would make in. And I think that, having a gay, by the way, like, it's like, oh my, oh my, but it's very self-funded. You know, it's a, it's a different beast.

Super, you guys know that. But I think having that like, that continues to help us like have that connection.

“And, and I think that's important, just through all the ups and downs. It is a real”

mind-fuck working together, raising kids, being in a relationship, and having to engage like this on a mic, which it sounds like you guys do too a lot. It's, it's a wild beast. And you have to be really up for the challenge. And it's, it's challenging, but it's also rewarding. But it's a mind-fuck. It's, it is. And there's like a reality. We've talked to investors and some investors like, well, we don't invest in husband-wife couples.

Like measure the partnership. But I, I think, for us, it's just, it's worked so, so well.

Like, there are a lot of things that I'm good at. And there's a lot of things I'm not that you don't. I mean, we've had to get, we've had to get through some things for sure, and figure some stuff out. I mean, that, that happens every three months, by the way. Like, if you're not working together as a

“couple, like, we're always trying to hone in, you know?”

I know what I do when I, when I mad, you don't even know that. I would love to know. I'm sure I do. I just stick them in the sauna. Oh, well, that's nice and hot. That's cooked. That's a, I can't wait. No, because there's no phone. There's no kids. There's no distraction. You're in a sauna with me. And guess what? We're having eye contact like this. My boobs are up and perky. And I can say,

right, what I need to say. Is that not right? It works for marriages. That's a life. I think it's just literally happened yesterday. I don't really think about it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I get it right where I want them. And you get them for 20 minutes straight. I'm going to make it attention. You can get all your business done in a sauna. Oh my god.

So do you guys do like hot rock or infrared? What's your, we do the, what we have, we do both, but more frequently. No, the one you want to do, that was the barrel. Yeah, we look up. We have one too. We have one too. Shut up. Yeah. Get them nice and hot. I don't like doing infrared with people. I feel like I just go in there and like read a book or sit and yeah, infrared's not that, the community aspects

not there as much. Yeah. But the, the barrel when you're like suffering through it, that's like last few minutes. You're like, okay. Yeah. I love the barrel. Explain to us micro dosing peptides,

“because that's like all the rage right now. What's, what, from your point of view, what does that mean?”

Yeah. Well, that's, that's typically a GLP one you're talking about, right? I'm talking about anything. I mean, everybody's micro dosing everything. Mushroom. Yeah. Here. I feel like micro dosing like it's like all the time. Yeah. Well, like, okay. So I'll give you a very practical example. I was talking to a friend of mine that's in this space and Austin has a lot of people that are out. So I'm this world. And I was saying, like, what are the, you know, what are the things?

And we're talking to different peptides. Well, I want to feel good for one piece. Like, what about micro dosing growth hormone? And I pause and I haven't heard about that. So I did not do it yet. But because I just don't know enough about it. And I think as it relates to peptides, hormone replacement, growth hormone of the, you guys are the perfect people. There's still a lot of hesitation. In questions around when, how much is it safe? Where do you get it? What do I do? Like,

can you get off it? Is it forever? Yeah. And we give, there's a lot in there that we can unpack. There's a lot. But I guess for someone who's curious about any of these things, hormone replacement and peptides and growth hormone, like, where would you tell them to start and, and we're just on how to think about it? I mean, I would tell everybody to take get their labs done first. I mean, looking under the hood is probably the most valuable thing. Oh, we have something for you. That's

going to be a game changer for, because we heard you don't like getting the blood, right? Okay,

there's going to be a device that's a lot easier. You can do it at your home. And I would rather have a device go up my ass than get my blood taken. This one goes on your shoulder. Where do you do that? I don't think I can do it on my shoulder. Oh, my God. I know, she can do it every time you can do it. I'd rather get burned. You're warrior then.

“Like the blood, just, that's the only way you can't do saliva. Can, I mean, there's, there's”

testing. It doesn't mean, not every peptide requires a blood test. Right. But if you're just a mess inside, like the efficacy is just going to be a lot less. No matter what you're doing, I mean, if you're diets off, your nutrition's off, your ribids, your peptides are the cherry on top, right? So you want, like, all the, you want your foundation to be good before you just, like, try to fix things with peptides, I think. The microdosing thing has exploded in the peptide

space because of GOP ones. I think there's a regulatory component, you know, because there's a massive war between the ELI, literally, novel notice and anything compounded at a 503A or 503B. You're not shutting down that body's ability to produce. You're just adding more. And I can tell you this, like, maybe there's not some large clinical paper that's tied to a microdose, but we see so many patients and we see so many patients labs when they're doing even a GOP one at a microdose

level, almost every other biomarkers improving. So there's an inherent benefit outside of just

how you look and feel. Well, I think the microdose became so popular because when the drugs first

came out, it was, everyone was macrodosing and having all the side effects, right? And it was wild for us, like, living through it because we prescribed our first GOP one in September, 21. 21, so really. Yeah, really. And it was wild because, like, you know, you and I could take the same dose and you would maybe not not want to eat, you'd be like, I'm, I'm not eating for a week and it wouldn't affect me at all. So it just really, I think the micro is like, everyone has

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And not just GLP ones, peptides in general. I think there's a ton of info out there. Right now, I mean, I feel like every freaking social media influencer has a peptide region. Well, that's because I'm going to call it out. Sorry guys. No, please do. The reason that is because I've been seeing that everywhere is they have an affiliate code. Yeah. Oh, gosh. And this is just important to the people know this when they're recommending their peptide stack with a swipe up to buy,

they get a commission, which is fine. But it's not a one-size-fits-all, right? No, it's not really fine. And it's illegal. It's illegal? Well, healthcare is. I mean, it's like, like, finances are very regulated filled. Healthcare is as regulated if not more. And you start getting into all payer statutes. You start getting in there. And I kick back, start with physicians. There's so many things that are right now happening that are crossing the line. The unfortunate thing

is this administration has not done a damn thing about it. And really what you've seen the emergence of, the research peptides. Like the bona fide peptides that are FDA approved are coming out of a 503A, you're getting it with a legitimate prescription. I have no concerns on that. But the research side is where it's getting really hazy and really gray. And what big farm has done a phenomenal job at is saying, if you're not FDA approved and you're not coming from

our manufacturing line, you are bad at 503A, 503B, and they put the research in there with it. So I think the biggest mistake that people make is they don't have enough information. They're not making the right decision about their health. And, you know, I mean, the worst case scenario is, you know, they think something bad happens. The best case is it's there's nothing in the peptide itself. And we've seen tests. We've tested some of these research peptides. And some of them just

have nothing in it. No potency, no sterility, nothing. What do you guys say to people, and this is not necessarily my opinion, this is just what the team asks. What do you guys say to people that

“say peptides grow things that are dormant? Well, there's, that's also the case for why you should”

be under medical supervision. Because there aren't like the growth hormone producing peptide you talked about. Like you don't want to take that if you may have active cancer. So that's why you have to screen people. You have to monitor them. You have to make sure like that they're the right candidate. And that's why it's dangerous to just follow an influencer that's stacking a bunch of, throwing a bunch of shit in their body without, you know, and getting something in

someone who understands them. God knows where. Trying to, I mean, not out the TV. Maybe talk about that as well. Because I think to your point, there's a, like, that's a big

question. And a lot of the people that are in this space and really like doing well, they always

call out like, where are you sourcing your things? Where, what pharmacies? And even when you're saying 503 A and B, I don't think a lot of people that are listening maybe sound, but not everybody even knows what that means. Yeah. Like, one of them is FDA certified. They're all, they're all in some level, recognized by the FDA, not anytime something, it doesn't matter what it is, a thyroid medication, a peptide, a, in whatever, if it's coming out of a compounded pharmacy,

and it's physically compounded is no longer an FDA approved product. You can have similar, but not the same ingredients. But a 503 A, they easiest way to think about it is it's a fully customizable to you, your body, the clinician is writing that script based off of what they think is best for you. 503 B on the other hand is, it's like a 503 A without personalization, and it's more like an assembly line. They can produce a mass amount at one time.

Well, for now, specifically, if someone wants to get on peptides, the processes you get your blood drawn, and then you automatically get prescribed them, or how does it work? No, and, and like Josh said, you don't have to get your blood drawn for peptides. You know, really what it is is like

“what's going on with you, right? Like, what are your symptoms and what are your goals?”

So there's peptides for all different kinds of things. Skin, gut health, all that kind of stuff. So,

you know, we always think labs are a great way to start in general, but you do not, that's not

like a requirement. In our system, you know, you can just go to the website and click on turmoil and for example, grow through leasing peptide, and then we would have you fill out and pretty extensive form that behind the scenes a clinician would review, and then if you're a candidate, it would be prescribed

blown your mind? You know, I mean, I think GOP ones are the single biggest blockbuster therapy

“peptide ever. I think it will trump that of even like a Viagra, you know, like that was a massive”

blockbuster drug. I think that that is probably the the most life-changing peptide that I've seen. Everything else to me, and I love peptides where I feel it. I love hormones when I feel it. GOP ones, you're going to feel it. But we've got like, you know, the nasal spray that we do, I have some, I mean, this is probably more of a girl thing, but I've got quite a few women that will like text me or message me and be like, oh my god, thank you, and I can finally poop every

day. So like, it really helps with like bowel movements and gut inflammation and that kind of stuff. So that's a big deal for people, especially women. Then I love our GH copper peptide for, for, like, skin and hair and stuff. Is that a topical or is that a topical? It can be injected, and I love it injected, but you cannot get that right now as an injectable. I'm hoping that some point you can again.

I heard that's amazing. Like you just said, for hair growth, I've heard that's really

for hair growth. So we have grown to a level scale where we're not, I know all the fringe peptides,

“and that's the ones that everybody wants to talk about, and that's what all the influencers”

are promoting. The BPCs, the CJCs, done I'm been there, but like we've grown to commercial level where we just can't offer that because it falls outside of the regulations, but there's a lot of benefits. And I think of so many of them, of just like putting a cherry on the top. Like, it's just like damn, I just feel good. Like growth hormone, energy levels, that lean muscle mass, it's a phenomenal, phenomenal peptide. What's your stocks? I do do that one, and I will tell you,

you, so you want to cycle peptides too, right? You don't want to like overload your receptors. So I'll tell you like when I stop doing this hormone, I can really feel it like after our workout, so we'll do a trainer a couple times a week. And if I'm not on it, like I'll be really sore and like kind of hate myself the next day, you know, you can't sit down without pain. So that's like a big thing that I noticed with that one, and it also helps with like sleep and stuff, so I definitely

prefer to be on that one. I'm T RT testosterone. So switching back to that T RT, are you, is that now a lifelong? For me, it will be. Okay. There's a misconception that is that a lifelong

“thing that you have to do. We have patients that have got on it, improve their health,”

metabolic health, they've lost weight, they've packed on lean muscle, they get off of it, do their, do their levels maintain at that state that they were on where they're on it. No,

never, not, not really at least anecdotally, but they can get to a point where they didn't start.

And so it is a choice, but for me, I don't ever want to go back to no sex-strived Josh, and, you know, Tubby Josh, I want to go to an important thing. But there's also, you know, in our clinic, we more than T RT, we prescribe something called inclomophine, which doesn't shut down a man's production, it actually helps boost their natural production. So that's more of our business than actual T RT is. And I think that that's like a tool that more than increases the

sperm, what is that? Yeah, yeah, it's a, it's a basically a derivative of, of, of, clove-med. I've had enough sperm, don't call that one. That's a natural sperm. That's a sperm. It's a sperm, it's a sperm, it's a sperm, it's a sperm. Here's what's beautiful. It does not affect fertility. If anything, it enhances it. And, I mean, for a lot of men, you don't suffer testy shrinkage, and your testosterone, some guys, it's like, you got to slow down. I mean,

they, three times their baseline, it's been an incredible, their therapeutic, and part of the

reason we're seeing this so much is because we're seeing low T at a younger and younger age. So when you guys, so if all the lab work you guys see, you're seeing low T start to trend at a much, what do you think that's from? I mean, stress is a big one. I mean, your cortisol is all on testosterone. We'll fight for, you know, the same attention, and then, yeah, diet, you know, what do they say 70 to 80% of U.S adults have some sort of metabolic dysfunction?

So if you have your insulin is off, and that's going to lower your testosterone too. I also see a lot of men that I talk to that have low T spend a lot of time in front of computers, under LED lights. They're not in the sun. They're not grounding. They're not outside. They're not lifting weights. Yeah. Like, sometimes I think we try to, like, over-complicated as a society, like, men need to go hunt and gather. Yeah. I want him to go kill the tiger, chop some wood,

drag it back to me, get your feet out on the grass, get the, get in the sun. Too much to add. Be a man. Like, that's, then the sauna. If you're just sitting behind a computer, like, your dick is going to be lit. I don't know what to say. No, no, that is an absolute factor. Men that are not working with their hands anymore. Like, it is desk jobs and bullshit, social media,

This is like my best friend. I've known for 20 years, Mark, and he's like, I'm like, holy shit dude, your, your testosterone levels are 1300. It's, it's free. It was like 180.

I'm not. What? And is he single? He's not. He's a dad. Okay. But, but never taking any testosterone.

Ever. Guess what he does. Worked with his hands. He renovates homes. He does literally air squats. Every day, hundreds, 200 air squats every day. Never had any other thing. I'm like,

“people ask me all the time, what's the best thing to do? Just focus on the basics.”

My next business is geared towards bed. And it's a big block of wood with an axe. No, but I do the same thing. There you go. Make me something. No, you know, we moved to Texas in 2020. And before we got here, we were living in LA. And we were both of us living in a very, in my, in my, my now looking back and unhealthy way. It was a lot of work. There was a lot of stress. It was a lot of

sitting at the computer. It was like that the environment was bad. And when I got out here, one of the first things we did is we started overhaling our health. And what I read, I was probably 20 pounds lighter than I am now. And I just, but looking back, I'm like, what the hell was I doing? Like, and we talk about it all the time. And so, one of the things that we did when we got out here is like, outside, sunlight, working out, moving

right. And listen, they're still room for supplementation and all these things. But to your point, if you don't get the basics, right? Like, it goes quick. And at the time, looking when we were there, we thought we were in great shape. Really? I weren't, we're good. But I don't. I get asked. All the time. Like, what's the, what, what would you tell the guy? I'm like, focus on your sleep and focus on your stress. Like, those are two really false things for me. But it's easy to say.

Work at it. No, it's hard as hell. Like, I mean, every, we wake up every morning at six. We are kids, foot, foot steps. Like, how'd you sleep? As a first thing we say, like, we just want to check in. And if we slept well, we're fist bumping, making breakfast onto the races. So what happens to a couple from a hormone perspective that starts to exhibit, you know, poor sex life, not connecting low intimacy. Like, what's actually biologically

going on with them most likely? I mean, you, I mean, testosterone, obviously, we've talked about. But it's all, it's all your hormones. Like, you really need them all to be balanced in the right levels, to, to feel good and feel like you want that drive. And so it's overall health. I also think

“it's like, we get so tied up on data and biomarkers. And sometimes the most important thing is”

just feedback symptoms. And, you know, if you talk to clinicians who have been in the space who have been doing functional and integrated, they're like, I can tell you exactly what's wrong without even seeing your biomarkers. And most of the time, they're pretty spot on. But for most couples, it's like, I mean, how many women have we talked to? It was like, I couldn't stand the way he breathed. You know, let alone, like, sex. Like, that was not happening. And, and, you know,

you just, you start to lose that connection. And every time we hear it like, yeah, he just sits on the

couch. Always doing his watch and football. He's not playing with the kids. He's not active. Like,

there are more things to be looking out for outside of like your internal data. I also think that we've lost the art of being able to feel when we're in alignment intuitively. Like, everyone is so busy checking all the data on every single variable that they have. And there's something like, wait a minute. Like, let's get back to the basics of like listening to our intuition and maybe sitting in silence and meditating and hearing our body talked to us.

“Because I think if you listen, it tells you a hundred percent. And I think so many people ignore”

that, especially like when you're busy and when your parents and it's just like, you make excuses. Like, I'm getting older. I'm a mom now or whatever. And you just like ignore all those things. And then that ends up biting you, you know. And like, I think, especially when you're in like

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But the problem with a pellet is you put it in, and then for three months you're stuck with that. So if it's too much for you, you can't get it out. So we don't recommend pellets, but you know,

You have ADHD though. I feel like with a cream. I could see myself putting a cream on and be like, "Forgot the cream and then I'm touching the baby." Like, I feel like you feel like injections better. Yes, but most people are like, "Yeah, I'm a little scared of injections." So like, it creams an

easy way to start, but ultimately, like, injections are easier. You do it. I've heard nightmarish stories

of dudes not realizing that that cream gets everywhere. They're touching their kidneys.

“Yeah, you're not doing that so fast. That's a fact. This happens. I mean, that's why you tell”

you to do it. And then everyone absorbs that differently too. Like, some people have skin that, like, you know, it'll go into really easily and then some don't. So what if you're getting into it with your partner and he has cream all over his inner thighs? Is that the cream made? You're pumping, grinding, and it's going to come off. I feel like we're not doing a cream. Like there's no cream in it. Well, there was a baby on the injection, just a slick, uh,

so easy. It's a shot. Yeah. It's so cute. I need like 31 gauge needle. I can tell you for Perry menopause and menopause testosterone for you. And this is, we offer testosterone to men and women. It's going to be the thing this year for, for Perry menopause of menopause of women. It is the

one thing that every female comes back. And we're about to actually launch our, our second study.

And we did a massive 300 plus cohort of females. It, it is remarkable what testosterone does for women. And most people come in with, like, really low numbers. Almost zero women. Yeah. I don't, it's stress probably. It's also probably maybe birth control pill. Like, there's a lot of things that see more hormonal issues with men or women, not like I'm just wondering if it's, or if it's across the board, many end women. I'd say it's both men and women, but like women are a little

bit harder to figure out because, you know, that's three hormones. That sounds about right. I'm forget it. What if someone wants to get off thyroid medication? You mentioned not earlier. Yeah.

“Tell me about that. I mean, thyroid is one of those where you think you have to be on it forever”

and some people do. But ultimately, like, if you can fix all the other things, like the underlying issue, then you might be able to get off it. Like, that's what happened to me. So, you know, you have to get all your other hormones right. You have to make sure your metabolism and your is great. And you have to make sure you're getting all the supplements. It just depends on how bad it is and how well you can kind of figure everything else out. We've kind of been fed a little bit of

lye soup, though. There's a lot of lye soup going on. We can't get off thyroid medicine. That's what they tell you. Gary Breckers, big thing is that the only guarantee of being on thyroid medicine is that you're going to have the dosage over yours and his big thing is like, there's ways to get off it. I'm not sure. You can look it up on YouTube, guys. I give him talk because he's going to say much more. I don't have my dosage in half. So, I've had a different reaction. But I think to your point,

we have to start asking ourselves why do we need the thyroid medication to begin with? Yeah. Are you are you trying to get off of it? Yeah, I want, I'm not trying to cut it in half and if had great results with that, I mean, I would like to get off it. Yeah. I was put on it. I was, you know,

again, like 70 pounds, that's my first born, which I would like you on it. With strange, yeah. I've

heard so many women talk about being on thyroid medication. I've not heard barely any men tell us that they're on thyroid medication. Wait, what does someone said that there's a reason the other day on the show? There should be a line up, but I guess, but it seems like there was a period of time where like there was a lot of thyroid medication being prescribed to a lot of women. Yeah. Well, things that we had a dentist on and he said that root canals and remember he said like

screw, I have screws and I had screws in my face. I'm draw surgery. He said things like that can

“trigger the thyroid. Well, you know what's interesting. I think it's also to, you know, men,”

testosterone is such a big bi-available marker. Women, it's still, it's, they're, the carry more testosterone than they do estrogen, but the symptoms are really freaking similar. Like fatigue is very similar to low tea and women and men. But, you know, there's so many different hormones that are going on that I think it's also just a buzzy word, too. Like there's so much market around thyroid care right now. And, and that's for women. It's imperative that they're getting their

blood drawn in your differentiating the two. Like, a lot of times women will come in and they say, I got a thyroid issue and you're like, no, you got a TSU. I'm supposed to schedule one recently that someone's going to do it in my house. No, don't touch me for a while. Actually, go around the eye. No, don't do not play next to me. Go in the answer. We do, we look at the levels and I think like, everybody should, and we just, you know, we had the Jevity guys on here talking about,

we, I think everybody should do it. I have another question for you guys. So, say somebody wants to work with you and they're suspecting the am of a hormone issue and maybe they're intimate relationship and they don't know how to approach their significant other other partner with this because they're maybe uncomfortable with the conversation. I think this is a very common thing. How would you, and because you two are both so open. How would you to advise a couple approaching

you know, one or the other with this topic if they suspect that their partner's hormones are off? I think there is a just completely different angle. Like, if you, if you can't approach the

things before they become a bad issue. So, I think there's that angle, but also like,

“yeah, do it together. Like, hey, let's do this together and check out where we're at.”

There's what you're going to do. You're going to get them in the sauna and you're going to say, let's do our blood into your eye already scheduled it. Like, you seem like you seem very open to these kinds of conversations, but you know, like, we know guys in our life, we're like, if their girl comes and says, yeah, man, you got low T, like they're going to lose it or they're going

to shut down and advice first. Like, listen, as a man going to her and be like, hey, the man never

goes away with his hormones. Well, that's not the death sentence. Yeah. But I do think like what's going to happen, I know with this episode is likely one person in the relationship is going to hear it, or sure. It's going to be some light bulbs going off and they're going to want to approach their partner and say, like, okay, maybe you can just play this episode. But the beautiful thing is blood is not the same as it was 10 years ago. Like, when you went to your primary care and

you got one or two markers, it's kind of sexy now. Like, it's like become like, hey, I'm really getting all these data points. And if I'm in a relationship, let's say I care about the spouse. It's about longevity. It's about heart disease. It's about cancer. It's about so much more than just hormones. If you can't approach that subject, like, there's a better way to go about it. I mean, our biomarkers are 55 to 110. You can focus on things outside of sex hormones. Yep. And then

within that you could say, by the way, we should look up this marker as well and hey, like, you know, and it's not, then it's not so personal on one's. It's like, hey, you're not having sex with me. Yeah. You know? What would you guys say to yourself when he didn't have sex? Knowing everything you know now? What would you say to you guys years ago? I mean, I would punch myself in the face. That's a testosterone in him. See, now he's got something to do with that. He's got something to do with that.

Like, I want to beat your ass, Josh. So here's what's messed up. We'll go through pictures and,

you know, you get the time lapse and stuff that come up on your phone. You know, like, that Josh was not good looking Josh. And I, you know, knowing now, I literally would have done that. I would have grabbed me and I would have said, dude, you're going to die by the time you're 45. I'm 43 years old. Like, heart disease runs in my family. And I was already pre-diabatic.

“I was still working hard playing hard. If you want to see your kids, my dad died when he was like”

62. Like, I got bonus years. I got to get to 80, man. My kids, Routy's five, Lennies eight years old. When they're in their 30s and 40s, I want to be striving going down mountains with them, like, hanging out, like, it's, you owe it, if not to yourself, your family. I need you to pull up one of those photos and text it to us or email it to us so we can put not right now make a later. Like, I might have one to put on be roll. Yeah. So we can show the audience

the transformation that you've had. Yeah. Well, would you say Katie to yourself? If you could go back and give yourself advice when you were confused about why he wasn't, well, for for women, I would say it's not you. Like, do not blame yourself. Do not look inward. Like, it's their shit. And they need to figure that out. And, you know, at the end of the day, like, I, I finally did and I said, hey, this is not working for me and you need to figure your shit out. And, you know,

that was the line I drew. Yeah. I mean, the big D is not something you want to talk about in the relationship. It depends on what you're writing. Oh, I forgot all that stuff. Oh, I was like, what is it? I was like, what is it? I was like, what is it? I was like, what is it? You know, I was like, what is it? I was like, what is it? I was like, what is it? I was like, the divorce. Yeah,

I was like, the big D we got you know, but yeah, that was, you know, like, I always dated girls and

they would break up, but like, you don't realize how serious and she was just, she was ready. And, I mean, we went to a marriage counselor and not once did that we went to multiple marriage

“counselors. We went to multiple doctors. We went to a sex therapist remember that. There was like a”

vagina up there. There's a stuff like a vagina. They're like, let's talk about your family. I'm like, no, this is going to take too long. Like, I need, I need something. I need to fix faster than this. But you know, it's remarkable. Not one. Not one of those encounters that they ever go dude. Go hear a blood check. Wow. That's not a wild wild. So what do they typically say? They're like, it's all about mental stress. Let's go on on. I'm like, I messed up. Let's fix the

problem, you know? That is crazy that they never asked you about testosterone. That's actually wild. So if someone wants to start peptides and they're listening, what is the first thing they do if they want to sign up to work with you guys? We have an easy online form fellow that you can kind of put in your health history and we can help you decide what is right for you. We always

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“Yeah, I think it's a good point to make it. Katie and I spent a whole week and we're like trying”

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think is a secret sauce force. We have badass clinicians. We have really good that are integrated functional type of approach clinicians that listen. Yeah, I mean, I have like friends and patients that will, you know, say, I'm like, one of my girlfriends came to me the other week and she's like, I actually cry because this is like the first time in my life where I actually feel like herd

and that I'm hopeful now and like there's something that will actually help me and I've never had

that my whole life and this is like a midlife person and like Jesus. We were like, I get from this episode two is that in you guys have this here you save marriages. Yeah. I think that's you're all just not selling that but that also seems like a real perk to working with you guys. It seems like you're because of your story you're focused on really making a marriage strong through being having the right tools, right? The right tools. Yeah, and it's obviously not all about sex.

That's an important component but like the like having your hormones right also just helps in general with life drive for life. Sex is important. It's important. It's important. It's important. What my friend Weston talks about this all the time. He says we spend so much time on personal adult thinking how to build our business, how to raise our kids, how to be healthy in the gym, how to and like when it comes to our sex life everyone just like thinks it's like a grand and just given.

“But it's it's an integral role like if you want to make a child you have to have a good sex life”

you have you know if you want to have intimacy with your partner if you want to have connection like but we we kind of just like oh that's a thing you do off to the side could maybe because of the taboo is running but every other area of life you're going to seminars you're reading books you're stepping like you're doing courses you're listening to podcasts but with that subject you just think it's going to happen and be great and a lot of people I think lend it kind of fall by the

wayside and just like anything else if you don't put a focus on it it's yeah how could it be? This whole business and experiences allowed us to be very open and honest about our sex life like what we need what she needs what we're reading. Yeah and and that's when sex for us got good like you got real like you're like all right let's do that and you guys let's do it on the couch yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

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“I think it's the most rewarding thing but so many people unfortunately they kind of hit those”

roadblocks and they just toss it up. The same fight the same day ground talk day this morning I'm on my vibrating plate in my robe brushing my teeth and he wants to come in

and have a full conversation and I got to like oh I got it I need a second I don't want

the vibrating plate. Yeah it's great. It's like that that influence for me like that they say all the things. I've got to do 20 things at once there's so much to do and you're you guys you're bunting routine involves 30 minutes of a conversation with you about what like I I don't know it's I don't need to shorten on the news he just gives me a full random what's the peptide to get to

I think that's more maybe more of a hormone.