Hillary Clinton Testified on Epstein. Should Melania Trump?

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I bet you no more than even you were allowed to publish. It's just crazy. It was a great piece.

“Thank you. I think it's interesting in the sense that, you know, here's this huge photographer and Tuanverglast.”

You know, he's known for shooting people like Cindy Crawford and Claudia Schiffer and her banks. And all of a sudden, Melania comes from Slovenia. A little bit late in the game, I think, as a model. And now she's this huge model, but like kind of, like, news. You know, she's not doing like the kind of cute, tasteful girl next door, Cindy Crawford stuff.

Like, this woman is taking all her photos in the buff and Tuan is the guy who showed up most of them. I mean, in one body, Ayati, Melania, good for you, girl. I support all of what you did. You had the body for it. You posed. You did the whole thing. Yeah, well, something there, though. It was definitely like, you know, okay, everybody builds their business, like, as a different way. Yeah, so she's got, well, where did it start with Trump, the bond GQR spread on Trump's plane, where she's just she's naked except for the fur on the plane.

Maybe we're not together yet, right? No, they were dating. That was the big, that was the big get was that, and Tuan was going to be able to shoot her on the plane and that was at that allure. And he was already like, I don't want to hate using word grooming because, like, the story has so much for me.

But Trump was already, like, kind of preparing Melania to take on a higher role as, right, the culture of New York's first lady. I mean, they literally would write that in these articles.

It was like somebody was already laying down the groundwork for her to one day be first lady, right? You see that, you see her in maximum golf and a bathtub covered just in golf balls, you see her on her concord, this is in a burgloss, one of those concord's just another one. She's naked, all you can see is a, you know, a watch, but, you know, everything that Melania does is like pretty suggestive.

“She was not the type of model that walked down runways because she frankly, like, you have to be super way fish and they tend to be like 20 year old girls.”

They're not, you know, full, like, she thought a full figured woman in the sense of a full figured woman, but she clearly had like breast implants or something that makes her sleep way than runway, yeah. Exactly. And that's why she didn't sports illustrated another thing that Antoine Berggloss shot, he shot her about 12 times. Now, Antoine claims that he wasn't friends with, friends with Epstein at the time, but he knew Talos and Poli, who knew Epstein at the time. And that was how he was tipped off to Melania through Palo, because Palo was, it was, you know, Melania's agent at ID models and he was friends with Epstein and we're supposed to, you know, it's interesting.

And so it all reminds you about the world that sort of thrust Melania from being kind of this no name girl from Lubiana wherever in Slovenia.

“So what is now the first lady? And I mean, sometimes when I hear her speak, I think it's like almost programmatic, like the way that she talks, it's like she's been preparing for this for whole life to be the first lady in a lot of ways.”

Dude, they did a thing. I read it ever read this thing about how Donald Trump almost ran for office in like 2008. It was like right after, you know, the apprentice was really high.

And he's always had this like dream of being the president in terms of like what it means to be a celebrity and like remembered forever as a president.

And they did like a fake rally to see how they had staged like they gained out of fake rally to see how it would go with Melania being presented as the first lady and really being cast as this idea of what the next first lady would be. So I find it really interesting that she came here, you know, in a lot of her work was very sexy, very playboy ass, very Max and magazine, very suggestive like you said. And then they were trying to make this transition for her to then take on what is usually considered a very prudish, very reserved first lady role.

And I wonder, you know, and maybe I'm just like pilled by how much of the obscene files I've read and we have a piece coming out on Steve van and an obscene tomorrow and the obscene goals were varied.

Not taboo. So I'm like, okay, was Melania part of the plan because it was like, we're going to have a first lady with nudes like maybe that was part of it like this idea that the expectation for the first lady was no longer to be this highly educated, extremely classy, very reserved American doll type girl and now it's like to have the victim.

“Right, well, I think that Trump wanted the victim. And I don't know if he saw it's in the Epstein files where Epstein's emailing something about how Trump was going on about what a great piece of, you know what Melania is.”

I don't I think Trump liked that about her. He liked having a sexy. He wasn't going to be with a woman who wasn't a sexy right, but I think he also wanted that woman to spit into the role as first lady because even. I know from covering Trump since I was a cub reporter at the New York Post starting in like 2010 that he always talked to people about wanting to be president and before that he wanted friends a Democrat like decades earlier than that he was meeting with people. This is not some idea that just came into his head recently. He's always wanted to be president. So I think he thought about that when he was looking for his girlfriend that he would come out with obviously.

Well, there isn't going to be a good first first lady. I think Ivana Trump would have been a great first lady. You want to talk about somebody who knew how to run a business or could have kept up that kind of like classy like educated lady thing. She is brilliant. Yes, I agree with you. Yeah, I agree. But I think I think she they had a very tumultuous relationship.

And he wanted the the Melania. It's so interesting that he wanted the first lady to not be American for how incredibly racist and xenophobic he has against all other immigrants that his first lady.

His like picture of what should represent women in America is a Slovenian immigrant. Well, he's also now expanded visas to people from South Africa presumably white people because he likes the way they look and that's why he likes people from. In Denmark and in the Scandinavian countries, it's like, okay, just tell us what you really want.

“And remember that girl from Kazakhstan and Colombia, who got her who was who was arrested and then apparently mom Donnie showed a picture of her because she was hot and he was like, okay, cool, let her go.”

So yeah, I think you can stay as long as as long as you look the part or your hot enough for the president.

But, you know, back to Melania, she's being photographed by Antoine and surround the same time she's trying to get a visa. A green card, she ends up getting one. We don't know, you know, Antoine says it wasn't through her. This is the genius visa, the Einstein visa for people with incredible skills, but Antoine did help Jeffrey Epstein girl friend Karina Shuliak get obtain a visa a short term visa right with the lesbian marriage. No, I don't think it was a lesbian.

It was a woman, didn't she? It was like, oh, that might be, but this is not what Antoine did for them. Antoine just got her a temporary visa by helping her fine lodging in St. Barts as well.

It was on to marry a woman because it was Jeffrey Epstein's girlfriend. He certainly was going to have her marry a man and he wasn't going to marry her and take that on. So she married a woman. It was like, you know, total marriage fraud. Yes, um, okay, let's keep going though with this. So Antoine, last time he photographs Melania's for hot living 2011 unclear if they were made in contact afterwards.

“But he certainly in that whole Palo's unpoly world Palo is obviously, I think he's an ambassador or been twice an ambassador in the Trump administration.”

And so, but after Jeffrey Epstein goes to jail. And he comes out of jail. He's hiring Antoine to do day shoots for him presumably of nudes according to the files in which he says they won't they we won't need styling because their nudes he claims they weren't. But then Antoine sent him black and white nudes according to files he said that they're all famous nudes that and he says there are no victims and I'm adding in all of the things that he says to be as precise as possible. And, you know, there are no there are a number of other things that the Hicks change that are concerning like 72 files that are all blinded out of pictures that we know, sorry 65 files that are all blinded out that we've never seen.

And, you know, Epstein helps his son to try to get an internship as son is out equity equity trader. But probably the most disturbing email of them all in the many exchange between Epstein and including actually an ask from Woody Allen to help find a girl from 20 to 24 to being one of his movies. Okay, the worst email of them all is an email that Epstein is forwarded.

There's like a very small amount of scopoline that gets used to motion sickness patches, but when you overdose on it or you are sort of like, you know, making up your own doses.

“It is a drug called Angel Trumpet on the streets have found out removes your ability your inhibitions. It makes you extremely directable almost as if you're hypnotized.”

And it's sort of like arrested development style. There was a real forget me night. You don't remember the things that you said now I thought it was interesting that Jeffrey Epstein be interested in cultivating these plants, not just to abuse women or to get them to remove their inhibitions and do whatever you want it. Certainly this could be used on business people also this could be used on anybody want to try to control your way into their face.

Yeah, it is that easy to administer you can just blow into someone's face it makes you childlike eliminates free will.

Yeah, it's a lethal plant it clean those well like you said one administered properly it can be used to counter motion sickness, but what he sent this article about it.

“It's all the scary ways I was a daily male article and it somehow ended up in Jeffrey Epstein's inbox meanwhile the derivative, the the plant that you get scope lean from it's called a trumpet plant.”

Yeah, and according to Epstein's emails.

He kept inquiring about the trumpet plant twice in the Epstein's house that we've seen so far from his manager in the Virgin Islands to ask how are the trumpet plants.

Like he's growing this plant now right did they are beautiful bell plant and some people put them in their gardens, but I've also heard people say that like we don't want them in our gardens because they are so dangerous. Now this is not to say that Melania Trump had to was administered trumpet plants or anything like that and Berg was says that he's never given anyone trumpet plant a scope lean or done anything like that against their will. But it's a very curious email he doesn't remember how it got sent to the inbox of a pedophile so it's very weird let's just say that but I don't know you know the the more I see all these connections and the more you know that President Trump has mentioned so many times in the files obviously built Clinton has mentioned so many times in the files and the more that you realize how much the modeling ecosystem that Melania was a part of was so penetrated by Jeffrey Epstein.

And they are obviously they obviously knew each other I mean there were emails that email that was exchange between Melania and Galen. If Hillary Clinton has to testify why not Melania Trump course I mean it's just it's not even it shouldn't even be a partisan thing it's the standard husband said she is actually emailing back and forth with people within this this universe. She should absolutely have to testify if not to clear her own name of the innocence that she claims she has why wouldn't she want to be able to testify to say look this guy was a creep.

I came in I was a young person these are the ways that he you know did whatever with me why wouldn't if I were her I'd want to testify be like I want to be clear to this I had nothing to do with this guy or I wasn't involved in his crimes. Well they'll protect her through and through I don't know that she's you know what would she say. This is the thing that I see on the Trump side of things to also is that there was a lot of maybe they didn't they weren't putting up the upstream files or maybe these three thousand three million files that we haven't even seen yet that are apparently worse than what we already have seen which is a greatest is because he's trying to protect Melania how much more Melania is in there are her nudes in there I mean.

“If you do sex work you should be proud of it sex work is valid work. Cardi B she own her shit okay she's like I was a good stripper I'm a great rapper and a wonderful mother you can women contained multitudes don't be ashamed of that art.”

But if you were kicking with fstein or helping him find girls or you know lying about your visa application I mean according to Trump's policies those are all deportable offenses. Yeah so that's a lot I mean I could see the whole oh I mean I don't agree with it but don't oppose the president I actually think if you are public servant you should be deposed. They made argument that presidents don't they don't after you know face the penis and sit down but Bill Clinton just did and so did Hillary Clinton and listen I think it was the right thing to do for Hillary Clinton to have to be to be deposed because.

She was friends with Galan I mean even if just casually she had to that tells the Clinton wedding and I know that she was a plus one but the idea that tells the Clinton's wedding wasn't heavily that it is insane. And she was invited as a privileged guest to the Clinton Global Initiative and her husband went on Jeffrey Epstein's plane 27 times and he was at the White House 17 times so idea that she had no idea about Jeffrey Epstein or Phil end of Maxwell is something that I find very hard to believe and she did the right thing by testifying.

So if we're going to make a former first lady to testify then the current first lady to testify is absolutely and the president should as well it's apples to apples comparison is the exact same situation and as far as the president shouldn't have to do this or that or there's some sort of national security involved.

“Oh boy it was just down Marlago running operations in Iran from ballroom so like he doesn't do anything to protect national security as it is.”

So I'm not willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that testifying the upstream trials with somehow compromised national security when literally all you and your vice president do is compromise national security.

What's the difference now I mean it's out the window now.

Yeah, I'm just in shock to about all these stories that are coming out about the amount the number of times when investigators FBI could have gone further into the Epstein files and pursued leads against co conspirators other men and then just didn't. And we're talking about just daily was ahead of Goldman. Sorry, more not Morgan Stanley. And as we know Leon Black from Apollo management the hedge funder and now Harry Jerky the famous psychiatrist like who apparently was helping one of Epstein's girlfriends with her mental health and then according to her.

He used that opportunity is actually these are of course people are sick.

I don't actually think is true. I think it would collapse the old system of elites and establishment, but there are people that are like 45 and younger who we didn't do any of this and we could very well continue to run the government probably better without all of the sort of like atrocities at the top. But the clinton's having a testifying if the trumps should and I do believe that they should but they should they should be interviewing for competence serious people.

“I think it was really unfortunate in a waste of the American taxpayers money and time that Lauren Bober was asking questions of the former secretary of state right like she has no idea what she's saying Nancy Mace has no idea they were elected.”

I understand that there are a lot of things I'm saying in terms of like this isn't actual serious thing and when you look at like what the democratic oversight committee is doing the people who are leading that. Like our see it is very serious about it. Lauren under what is serious about it. Somersely is serious about when they're questioning people and I'd like to see a similar level of professionalism and genuine like intelligent inquiry into these people because I feel like you got the clinton's to testify, but you didn't send your best question askers.

I would have liked to have somebody who was maybe more maybe one of the lawyers on the Republican side who's used to questioning a high profile witness than Lauren Bober asking about like weird shit, you know, and they're to say silly things. So to me I thought that was a little bit of a waste of time and I was disappointed because I think you could have got why didn't head crews I know it's like a congressional thing but let me just use Ted Cruz as an example Ted Cruz as an is can be a very effective question asker.

So like I want someone like that in there who would have perhaps used the time more wisely and maybe given us some answers that the American people are looking for.

“This was very like circus kindergarten me and I and I'm sad about that too. I think it was a waste of time on both sides.”

But I think you're right you only get that opportunity once and why not Josh Hawley why not any of these people who are drinking more air. Yeah, exactly they're train lawyers, but Congress doesn't know we to track the best in the brightest. That is the the top line and like all are I guess I don't know give me. So I don't think Michael all there's going to be around for too much longer. No, I would have taken him over Lauren Bobert though I think I just I was like, you know we have to thank Bobert for her duty.

She did stand up to Trump and actually help get the Epstein files transparency and I think that's where she is effective right Lauren Bobert is a woman who's experienced sexual violence and domestic violence and been told that you're not smart enough to do anything. You're a valid I totally get why people vote for her and I've actually set this to the Democrats before I was like she's a relatable figure she's somebody that we all have a friend that's kind of like Lauren Bobert, but I don't necessarily want a friend.

One questioning Hillary Clinton like it's not a matching of width, okay, like love the girl good for you you're representing people that voted for you and and you sometimes really do do the right thing, but I don't think that was I don't think that was a right choice for that moment.

What do you mean like. Do you think there's sabotaging it and doing it on purpose and sending people who are on serious because if they sent people who were serious maybe they would actually be consequences in this way they think they're playpating the American.

The American public look what we did but nothing really came of it and they knew.

They're the only ones who showed up if you're on the house oversight committee you can go to these hearings and that is your right as a member of the committee. But there's only a number of people on the home house oversight committee it is traditionally one of the easiest committees to get on. Yeah and it's a lot of freshmen end up on the house oversight committee I believe.

“AOC made her name there it's a great place to meet your name if you want to be a star on TV because you get great clips oversight is all about interrogation like you said and if you're good at it and you make viral moments like your it's a dream.”

Carol and Maloney a former congressman from New York she would show up in a firefighter out that during her 9/11 hearings yeah it's really it really is about the theatrics getting on cable news they don't have kind of legislative power that you know energy commerce the kind of services. Yeah arm services the ones where you know a lot of lobbyists will probably pad your bank a little bit more because you have more half so to end up on house oversight is sort of the place where the freshmen end up and it's because.

I hate this is the swamp I'm just decoding the swamp yeah this is the lion's den the place you go to gladiary.

I'm just saying so it is and I'm actually just really disappointed that no one showed up from their public inside to interview less waxener like. It just shows a lack of interest to lack of. seriousness really to get down to the bottom of this in the financial crimes are so important he's also been accused. So you know that that really that bothered me as well again need to see his name around college universities and on buildings like there has to be some accountability here you know even if there's not going to be criminal accountability there has to be more swift.

“It's not going to be accountability things like you shouldn't be a college student and going into the wexner building like you shouldn't even at Harvard it's it's like that like it's it's just.”

And I understand like maybe it should take time but it just it can't there has to be some level of public shaming of removal from society of societal consequence for our society to hold like there has to be a people reckoning if there won't be a criminal reckoning.

I mean that we deserve a fair and open trial on camera. I mean even Hillary said that this should be on camera absolutely should be.

I didn't really care for our indignation as to like why should I have to testify it's like come on. You know it's just like what I'll see do I. Yeah, yes, you're there and just do it. You know would be happy to testify the survivors.

“Yes, I think they're blown it on purpose. Tara a little bit and sometimes on your lives.”

I'm just saying. I think that they're blowing it a little bit on purpose and I think like the American people are too smart for this because you could just interview the survivors the democratic oversight committee could hold a public on see span something. You know prime time to use something in April and Palm Beach or something like that they're going to do like it's the site of Epstein's house they're going to have survivors speak. But it's different than actually having a hearing on the house for we said think you're protected free speech is like right local protection on the house or we have to remember it's Republicans that are controlling oversight committee.

They are ones who have subpoena power unless a number of Republicans vote with Democrats and so that is what makes this so difficult. And we should just hope that the Democrats in the next Congress which I assume will win that they take this seriously. I'm keeping a list of things the Democrats need to do if they take power. I'm going to add this to it because the one thing I've been able to say to them that has worked is the American people don't want unity nobody wants to bring this country together.

We want accountability before reconciliation. So what does accountability look like it looks like impeachments it looks like having the survivor specified in the house floor it looks like taking control of the corruption and have it like putting. Epstein files got to turn to Epstein trials pretty soon that's a pretty common thing people are saying online because I had the opportunity I ran into Jess.

Now we're going to bring the girls in the women down to the site of Epstein's house to like have a moment that we hope will go viral on television or on social media to continue to keep attention on this place. So we are asking so much of these women that already gave so much and it can't just be because it's helping a politician it has to be because somebody's going to jail because it is happening and I am concerned for the nonsense I see and how much we are asking of these women constantly and how little they're getting back.

“And it reminds me of when I was in Palm Beach with Virginia, July and we were, you know, knocking on doors and talking to people from her past and like her physical reaction because she lives in Australia.”

She hadn't been in Palm Beach since her youth. She ran away from Epstein and Galen when she was I think 19 to Australia to hide from them and when we went back to his house and we saw the plane and she remembered being physically like brutally assaulted in a plane.

She became ill like I saw her body shake and it's like it's very traumatizing to go back to that place and essentially I've been saying this all along that this government, this Congress.

They have repeatedly re-traumatized these women and I'm totally impressed with their strength that they've been able to pull forward and push and push and push it's the sisterhood it's you know it is the strength that they build up together but it is unfair. Totally let's not forget that there people have limits and Virginia for all her strength and everything that she gave to this mission. Also had a limit and I worry about this.

“I don't want to see anybody else reach that limit either and so I feel very protective others have you other girls have killed killed themselves in connection to Epstein and and I think we got to be aware of that too, you know.”

Virginia was out there for so long by her style for like a decade telling her story constantly being told she was a liar constantly being treated horribly choose horrify when Pam Bonnie put out her state put out her depositions and said they were classified. She was like a dog and pony it was just a really like she saw the dog and pony show and she actually really hoped that Trump and Elon Musk would do the right thing they mess I think Elon Musk DMed her and told her I'll make you the file released and it's.

It's quite a few much from these girls and Trump took the election from these girls in many ways saying oh if you vote for me and telling the American people who also believed this there are other Victor are the specific Epstein victims of course and then there's the broader.

“There's a lot of people who have been here class of women everywhere who have experienced sexual violence who see maybe these women will get some justice but I didn't but maybe they will and then if they can maybe.”

Other people will listen and maybe this will stop in some way but it has to stop like there has to be accountability or we're asking too much of them and you know what bothers me so much about Virginia's story is when you talked about how. The chef and how she wrote in a book and everything like used to make her little sandwich or a little something eat like as a former chef myself I know what that means when when we would ever rough night in the restaurant and maybe you yelled at the girls or whatever you saw I'm going to be used by the general manager on the floor was a rough night you would put up what I call the apology fries at the end of the night.

We were like all the waitresses know it's just to come and they come and eat some french fries and we would all sort of just like have a shift drink and be like wow we got through it and when I heard that he had carved love. Yeah.

When I heard that he had made her a little snack I was like you knew you know and like how dare you not help now right like wear hospitality.

You made her a little snack and how you're people that crash is like a lot of the time it makes me sad yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah he made her pizza the details in which I like I don't. The details in which she told her story to me I'm doing through broken and in her book I mean I just think everyone really needs to listen to them and to hear her voice I'm sad that she didn't live to be able to do the audio book or book. I agree because I mean for broken which we spent a lot of time on and I attribute her extensively you can hear her voice but I do think you know it would have been nice to for her book to have that instead of an actor you know.

She's one example of a person who gave to her last breath everything that she possibly could and there's not any more that we could have.

I mean from her gotten from her and I'm sad that she didn't get to see it but I'm also there's a little bit of peace in knowing that she's not seeing what's happening now and continuing to suffer under this sort of like. Ignorant clown show of like oh yeah the upstream files are out no they're not they're totally redacted no they're not we have the girls out on the capital we haven't met Palm Beach like get the fuck out here for real like. Yeah you guys are these are people they're real people and they're doing this stuff for you.

Politicians because they believe that there will be justice not because they want to be a part of your political rise and I think we're getting a little too comfortable with the upstream victims being accessible and helpful. I want to just put a call to action out to anybody who is inviting them on their shows or news channels or politicians like you better be able to give back 10 folds what they've given to you and that needs to be in the front of your minds totally totally I agree with you on that.

“The way that Virginia is being attacked right now by the manosphere it's horrible and the way that all the victims are it's just it's really it's hard and that's why they've stayed quiet for so long it's why all.”

I'm so sexual all particularly when it involves different class men with power they say quiet they don't want to be attacked and and this is why and they're trying to spin the narrative they're trying to say it's a hoax. It's not like all I say to all those people go listen to detective or carries tapes go listen to them those are our teenage girls from Palm Beach Garden's high school or the one next to a monster exactly which one but it's a it's a high school on the other side of Palm Beach car it's on the other it's near Palm Beach Gardens.

It's a high school a pyramid scheme of girls 14. 200 $300 to bring their friends that I'm seeing to give messages and they were right and that's not pedophile pedophilia to these people this is not.

I'm coming in world why 14 year old this new things seemingly where people are like well pedophilia only really relates to the six months before puberty I'm like no no no we're not redefining or curating the definition of pedophilia it is what it is you know what you were doing and I'm not going to like. Sophonator change it to the biological definition of pedophilia there's a social definition that we are all subscribed to and that is not changing and that is anybody under 18 or the intention of making somebody even over 18 look under 18 if you are sexualizing child like features mentality body types and whatnot actually don't care if you're physically 18 and one day old.

“If the goal was to make them appear child like that's still pedophilia even if that person is over 18 and that's what Jeffrey I'm seeing was going for the absolute youngest the absolute least experience the absolute most vulnerable.”

That's what he wanted them to look young like we wanted them to look child like because like even Virginia when you looked at pictures of her choose very thin.

And yeah no curves you didn't he fed them very little so it was all about control he didn't want brass he didn't want he didn't want he I mean Courtney wild agenda one showed up at prices on her teeth. You know this is that that was the look the aesthetic you could say that he was going for. He was not I'm not going with this. He was not interested in women. He was not interested in women so I don't know what you call it when somebody is not interested in women and they are not a boy they're not a boy.

Uh pedophiles yeah we were pedophile if you're if you are interested in child like people I don't care actually with their physical number ages. I think that that qualifies socially as pedophilia and I'm not willing to stop for nine. The other thing I want to say is I wish that the news agencies would get better be role when they're talking about upstream because I can't imagine how retraumatizing it is for everyone. To see his face everywhere constantly. It's like constantly I'm social media you can't scroll without seeing Epstein or Glen Mac Swiss face.

“It's constantly on television can't scroll without seeing their face and I understand that's how news typically does things.”

But maybe this is a special circumstance in which we could be showing pictures of the victims instead of the perpetrator because people are getting so used to seeing him. But some of his style is even trending now where people are like oh Corey Jeffrey Epstein used to wear a quarter zip like I don't give fuck what I used to wear used to rape kids like. I think maybe there's like some editorial decision people could be making that when we're talking about him we're showing victims as opposed to him on yachts and boats and private planes and whatever it's like.

It's like no it actually wasn't cool it's super creepy and I think the people who deserve to see their face out there more are maybe the victims to remind people that this man was a major criminal.

“And all we ever see on as in his boat at inner lock in smiling looking happy looking.”

It's the world form it's the world form and I have always said this was the problem like when I did the broken podcasts with with Julie Cape Brown and out of Davidson and Adam K when we spoke I said.

I only want to do this through the eyes of the victims and we actually act out. We act out Jeffrey's face on on the cover if you ever go to broke in Jeffrey Epstein you don't see his face there's an X over it because we wanted to make sure it wasn't about him. Right and I literally start the show being like I don't care about Jeffrey Epstein like I care about the women whose lives you ruined.

“Yeah because like all for so long these stories are always about the fascination with these men he's catch me if you can characters and it's like.”

Oh because he had a jet and it was a lead express and he was followed around by beautiful women and then this and that and it's like.

You get lost in that you get lost in the truth of this horror and and that was like a really big deal to me and everyone on my team within alignment on that. So you know I actually really think that Julie's reporting at the Miami Harold like what brought it to that next level was the video work she did with Emily Michelle who the producer because she was the one who got the girls to talk on the record and that was a really big deal because people knew about the Epstein story and the injustice. So it happened right about in the Palm Beach post in other places not to the extent that like people were they were up in arms against Barry Krisher who was the state attorney at the time for letting us go on such light charges.

It was written out in Palm Beach just wasn't a national story until Julie really laid it all out but critically I think having those women on the record having their faces which took a lot of trust building that was what changed the story it brought the humanity to it.

“I'm also very interested in this is what we're talking about tomorrow.”

I know there are a lot of people that you said they get into the wealth porn they get into the like the you know sort of looking at the train wreck of the sex crimes and they think that that's the limit of it.

Jeffrey Epstein's empire has been inherited by people who are running our government and world politics today maybe not directly the way you think of like.

Somebody dies and you inherit your grandpa's car but pretty pretty close to it there are people out there running parts of Jeffrey Epstein's ideology and his business. People like Jared Kushner who seem to have inherited some of the Middle East policy and some of the the ideas there people like Steve Bannon were still informing the Republicans crypto currency. Attack on trans people all comes back to Jeffrey Epstein and much of the way that he was moving in influence people to the point that this idea that trans people aren't people comes from Jeffrey Epstein as it was a trans woman who's one of the first people to accuse him of rape.

And his idea being trans people are fetishes not people so if they are seeking civil rights. I can't have that because they are fetishes. They are not people maybe in the girls. They are fetishes but not everyone thinks in the world. He did and he had the power to try and tamp down and to this day it continues this idea to marginalize trans people you notice they never talked about trans men. It's always trans men that these people go after the Republicans who after legislation goes after and it's because they are folks that he wanted to fetish eyes and other people want to fetish eyes and not see as real.

So if it's like how wait you know back in the day people couldn't imagine that black folks wouldn't be slaves because then they're people and it's like yeah they're fucking people they were always people same thing with the way they're dealing with trans people same way with the deal way they're dealing with young women. Oh these people want autonomy they want justice they want equal place in society as me a wealthy man I can't have that I'm going to tamp it down every chance I get so it's like the more I learn about his influence to this day on the heritage foundation on steep and on the right wing on the manosphere on cryptocurrency on geopolitics on Russia I'm like it's still happening he didn't die that long ago.

His shit is still going on maybe not the sex crimes and exactly the same way but the ideology and the world that he seek to create this new right wing is not the new Gingrich Ted Cruz right wing of the tea party this is the mega trumpism Epstein mega party Republican. I mean he definitely see it a lot of ideas with very influential people and I think he he personally enjoyed the conversations with people of power and when you have that kind of access and influence those people you are going to influence the national conversation you're going to influence the way that institutions.

It's an it's just what we're living with now and it's you know they're like well they were all democrats back then I'm like yeah they were all democrats back then.

“And then why did they become republicans they created a new republicans party a new republican power structure that's centered Donald Trump Jeffrey Epstein's ideals Steve Bannon Cambridge Analytica all that.”

And Elon Musk the people who were involved in the situation that the democrats did not look at as equal intelligent or power authorities and over here well was just create a whole new structure. And not that like they they were all democrats and now they're all republicans why are they republicans that is this truly the republican party of Mitt Romney and Ted Cruz and new king rich and George Bush or is it a completely different republican party. It is it's maga which was built much in part by Jeffrey Epstein's ideology carried out by his friends who happened to enjoy his island in his play.

Hey junior they're all connected. It is. I'm going to get killed terrorist someday someday they're going to be like that kids moving the. I don't really like. I'm moving the good.

“But why are you telling people these things it's the dyslexia man you see big picture and then you're like it all makes sense.”

Oh, I'm still you know also I don't he was a Mossad agent. I don't think that. I think Mossad is its own thing and I think Jeffrey Epstein was in places of power I think he was willing to play games with Russia willing to play games with Israel willing to play games with whoever was going to give him power access and let him do what he wanted so I doubt that the Mossad took time out to like take Jeffrey Epstein away and personally train him as a spy so much as he was a useful asset. Too many different power players agreed. He's a hyper fixer.

Yeah, for so yeah. But you are the triple quadruple agent he passed on tips to various.

He passed on tips to various powerful, including presenter who then saw the map.

He and he also asked for information from Prince Andrew he passed them on to you know intelligent agencies that you could see from his lawyers asking. The CIA and NSA if they couldn't send a proof of affiliation. He went and met with Bill Burns when he was the deputy secretary of state and then now this is like. Bro was his own his country he was his own power structure he was his own universe he he wasn't loyal to Israel or loyal to Russia or loyal to America he was loyal to himself and whatever that next fix was for him right incredible.

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Bigger picture and outside what the mainstream continues to feed to us I think what you're doing Tara is so brave and incredible and you know we're kind of like working parallel. We are friends in the channel. We can be with all alone. Yeah. I don't know there's so many files there's so this story is cannot be owned by one journalist and that's why I love that it came at this time. I actually think it was so for to it is because like 2019 there was no independent world there was no jmail there was no AI.

This happened exactly when it was supposed to happen and it makes me hopeful.

I don't think we could have handled this bulk of information except at this time and I think we'll get the rest of the files and you know it's amazing.

So I'm like incredibly proud of the independent universe and everyone here who supports reporters like us because reporting isn't cheap it takes a lot of time. If you want to check out my story too, it's on Melania and Twan Vergloss this photographer and the connection to Jeffrey Epstein I think if you click through the links you'll see the emails and you'll be sufficiently creeped and that should you know I.

You know, you're the only one who's been on the stream for a long time and then you're hoping it's true. I don't think it's true, but I think it's true.