Inside the Allegations Surrounding Paolo Zampolli, Melania Trump, and Jeffrey Epstein

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How's it going? Because there's even more the fuckery about it. You know, we've got updates from the Epstein side of the universe involving Amanda Ungarrow, who is the partner of Apollo's employee, who is a current member of the Trump administration. And he recently had her mother of his child, supported it. Exactly.

And the internet actually have been in touch with Amanda for a while through one of her wraps. I've met Amanda many times. I know Palo. I've known Palo since I was 22 years old when I wrote for Page Six. I've been to Japani and seen him there many times where he had a standing table.

“And I went to his townhouse actually as soon as the Epstein story broke, I thought, who would know about Jeffrey Epstein?”

Palo.

Because in Palo had a rival modeling agency ID models, which is how he allegedly recruited Melania at the old age of 26 as a model.

And it's old for models and brought her over to the U.S. and secured her ID cell. And I signed Visa. That is the story as it goes. And he introduced her to Donald Trump as he says. And he's willing to testify about it because it's been disputed so frequently.

But you know, Palo and Epstein, they weren't like, they weren't competitors, but they were front of me. They almost bought a modeling agency together, elite modeling agency. They thought about getting in on that one and buying it. And from for them, the modeling wasn't about the art, the fashion. It was about access to women and visas and controlling through visas.

And we know that Amanda has said that Palo targeted her in 15. And from Brazil and that they were in a relationship for decades.

We know that I met saw them at White House events.

They saw them. They've taken shit.

“She was an ambassador to the Dominican Republic.”

And actually, that's not Amanda actually. That's the new girlfriend. That's the new girlfriend. She and Virginia are about the same age. And I had a lot of questions for her about Virginia because obviously Virginia is not alive anymore.

And you know, they're she's 40. They have a baby together and she sadly got deported. And the New York Times is reporting that she alleges that. It was Palo that picked up the phone. That's the guy on the right, scarier than the noon.

And and asked ICE to deport the mother of his child. Not his wife, mother of a child. So that he could win this long custody battle. I've actually met their child before it looks. He looks like a little palo.

But it's just this child. I think he's 12 now.

“I think I met him last year together at a White House correspondence event.”

I wrote this piece actually about how. Like Palo had just like. But the time the Trump administration was over. And he was on the Kennedy Center board and then the Biden administration switch over. Everyone had just had it with Palo.

And his life style like his hard partying kind of like New Yorker lifestyle with the Bottles and the models in Washington. It's just very considered ghost in Washington, D.C. And I wrote about this for Politico. And, you know, this was just who he was.

Like this is what he was about. And this is the world that Melania came into. And I think this is why there are so many questions. Especially when you start to realize how frequently Palo is mentioned in the Epstein files. You know, mostly they were intertwined.

They're about to just questions around. You know, what exactly were these models doing. Some of them not tall enough to be models. You know, some of them are too old to be models. Some of them too old to be models.

Some of them too old to be models. Some of them too old to be models. Some of them too old to be models. Some of them too old to be models. Some of them too old to be models.

Typically want runway models doing. Yeah. Well, the thing about a runway. There's, you know, there's commercial models that you see on TV and in magazines. Not like high fashion magazines.

But like, you know, they sell. Crest toothpaste or something like that. And they're kind of more commercial models. But like, the type of models that they were going for.

I mean, when she was found on the map. It was through this guy Antoine Beargloss. This French photographer who we've talked about before. He photographed her 11 times, mostly in the nude and he put her on the map. And he continued to take photographs of Epstein's girls for him after Epstein spent time in jail.

So like, there's a big interlock. And the creepiest part is the exchange and those emails. About this drug scopoline that comes from a trumpet plan. I've seen would would grow and ask his staff specifically about these plans. And he denies that he knows anything about this dangerous drug.

That turns people into zombies and makes them completely devoid of free will. But if you think about it, if you were running a sex trafficking operation. Like wouldn't that be exactly the kind of drug you could use and would be helpful.

“But I remember that like, Paolo, when I first interviewed him about Jeffrey, he said,”

Oh, Jeffrey's girls weren't everywhere. They were constantly recruiting in New York. So the point where we just called them Jeffrey's girls. And yeah, and Adriana Ross, you know, we know that Amanda knows her very well.

And Adriana was one of Epstein's assistant recruiter victims. They all kind of all the same bucket now. And Amanda has had she's a victim of Epstein as well. And she was on his plane. But 16 years old when she was being raped by Jean Luke Bernal,

who was like a disaster. The other three. Yeah. Disgusting. Disgusting agent, who was Epstein's partner at get this MC squared.

MC squared. What is that Stanford? Einstein's theory. And what kind of visas do these girls got? The Einstein visas.

Wow. Who were they in with back then then? Is this like a bush thing? Like how were they getting these visas? Who was their government?

He met Clinton. Like it goes all the way back. Clinton. Yeah. You can first.

Yeah. Of course. She met all these people. She's met Jean Kerry. She's my Clinton.

“She said that Paolo would bring Galen Maxwell to multiple UN events.”

When she was basically a pariah for being so closely associated with the pedophile,

that was until high society met Epstein back in with open arms. But, you know, this is this world that she understands the network, the modeling that work. It is, I mean, I just sent a picture to one of the producers Abbey. If you could throw it up, it shows you how young.

They were very young. Amanda Watts. No, that's her older older. That's not her. That's her on the right.

I mean, look at this girl. Yeah. Super young. Yeah. And a getty photo.

I mean, and, you know, it's just, she and she remain very close with the Trumps. I mean, it's true on the inauguration. You know, Melania gets to bring one of her guests. And it was always Paolo. Paolo through inauguration party.

I went to it, actually, for the first one.

And he remained very close to Melania. And, you know, Amanda has said that Paolo would. Ah, she's saying a lot of stuff. You're saying a lot of stuff. Here's the thing.

Tara and I have lawyers. We don't have those kind of lawyers. I want everybody to be watching. Reading what Amanda is saying that we can't today repeat. We were hopeful that she was going to be able to be with us today.

She's been doing a lot of work. She was exhausted today. So as soon as she feels better, we'll have her on. So she can say it in her own words. But there are some allegations that Melania was doing a little more than modeling for these folks.

And that we'll get into that when we can.

“Because I think the important part right now is that Amanda is showing such incredible bravery.”

Even after being detained by ice, deported back to Brazil separated from her child. And even at this point is showing such bravery to try and hold accountability for simply who is a massively powerful person. He was just in a rod or no, he's in a hut. Where was he?

He was in a Ron negotiating with. He's like, which baby bands out here. He's everywhere. He had a very much very much into this world. I have a question for you.

You said earlier that the first time that you met Paulo's employee was when you were 22. You were the age of some of his victims. It's like pure level with them. How did it feel like you being on the outside. Did you try to like be like gross.

Like get out of here. Well, it was different. I had to be.

It was different because here's the thing.

I was scary. I was a reporter for page six. Right. I was a 22 year old. The very powerful pen.

I wrote for the hottest gossip column in town. And my boss was Richard Johnson, the legendary, you know, page six columnist. Like, I knew what he was about, models and models. Right. But, you know, Paulo wanted to be in page six.

He wanted to be in these pages. Right. And he wanted to be the cool guy. And, you know, when you have that, you're not like, I've thought about that a lot in my career.

Like, I've been really lucky.

“Because I think that I had that power of the pen, which, like, protected me.”

Like, you know, I said, but to you, like, sometimes I've got, like, creepy vibes from people. And I'm like, just got that creepy vibe from them.

But they would never, like, cross that line.

Right. Because there's somewhere a reporter. Terrifying about a reporter. Right. Right.

And also, that's not like, I'm not a 16 year old. I'm not, like, not to say a 16 year old. Stupid, but I couldn't be, like, Right. You were an adult woman.

Right. I was an adult woman with a career. With a job. You were an adult woman. Right.

Right. I just saw him for what he was, a foolish old man who was trying to extend his childhood for a very, very long time. Did I think he was trafficking these girls? You know, if I had that tip in my head and I, they looked young,

but I looked young, man. Right. I don't know. You know what I mean? And you're a nightclub.

“And they were always models and actresses.”

And fun. Yeah. It was just the way. And they seemed fine.

I mean, and totally, I mean, I wasn't there until four in the morning,

whenever I was blacked out. But I understood this world. I got what it was. And the guys who owned the clubs who were, like, equally, my sources.

They, they, they wanted, like, attractive women in the club. So they wanted the modeling agent, like, Palo, to bring the girls in. And he used to hire them at the restaurant. Constantly.

This was my job as an event planner at PR Guest Restaurant. Steve Hansen featured very often in the Epstein vials. And now in a new video of Steve getting a pedicure with Epstein and goofing off. Which if you would have ever told me Steve Hansen got pedicures.

I would have been like, no way. He was one of the most intimidating. Successful restaurant tours at the time. It was like, if you worked at PR Guest, you could write your ticket to anywhere because it was so incredibly strict to work there.

And then training was outstanding. And the restaurant's phenomenal. Yeah. And we would do the Saturday Night Live after parties. Or if we were opening a new restaurant, we would call these people.

Sam Poli or whoever elites models and be like, we need 12 girls tonight. And we're going to hand out champagne. So that went era from page 6, not used specifically. But maybe we crossed over. No, we would write it up be our guest.

I remember it. Yeah. We come in and be like, well, every single one of the waiters is beautiful. And it was a wonderful night. And it was their job to like get the party going or make sure that people were dancing.

The dance floors look full at the clubs. The bars look full at the clubs. It was the most beautiful place. The dos Camino's openings. All of this.

And then we did it in Las Vegas as well. And it, I go back in my work history to and talk to my cousin. It was the general manager at Ocean Grill at the time. And be like, did we know? And she's like, we did not know.

This was very normal to hire models because we're having a media night. We're having a whatever night. We have no idea what they were doing. Nothing bad ever happened inside the restaurant. Well, we were at work.

It's what these girls endured outside of. Maybe the restaurant job was like a good job for them. And maybe they were other jobs that weren't so good. Or stuff that was going on in the app.

Well, like, here's something that people never talk about.

Like, there are, and this is what one of my girlfriends actually works in fashion. And she was explaining to me. And she was like hundreds of girls show up for these casting halls. They pick maybe five to ten. Most models don't make any money.

And most of them don't really make it. And like, and for some of them, especially the ones that come from like. Poor countries like Eastern Europe or, you know, Russia or even Brazil. It's like, like, Amanda's mother.

Like, didn't know that she was being groomed. But she also hoped her daughter would have a better life in America, right? And, and so I think that their hopes and dreams that the modeling world will either introduce them to a man that can save them. Or give them a life in America or maybe one day they'll become a successful model.

“But the truth is that the most successful models are often neto babies.”

I mean, it's the honest, like, or they come from like some sort of connection to the fashion world. Because it's pretty children, right? Yeah, and the girls that don't make it in modeling become caterwaders. That's where we hired them from. This is like the world that you exist in and it becomes very normal.

Yeah, or they end up in like, and some of them, especially the ones who don't have even access to their visas or their passports because they're taking away from them. They live in these modeling dorms. I mean, I didn't personally, like, ever kind of see that. Like, I mean, I saw them.

I've got to know them. Like, I knew guys that, like, I knew that world because I had to be around it. But I didn't, like, it wasn't like anyone was like coming to me being like, Hey, 23 year old girl, like, 22 year old girl who writes about, you know, they don't save me from my, like old man boyfriend with the man boobs. I have to sleep with every night because that's the only way for me to live in New York.

And I'm just like, I think it is something new because like, now I'm like a rabid feminist and I would have probably like tried to like create like some sort of way to take them out of that situation.

And I feel almost terrible about it now. On Jen points out also pharmaceutical sales reps, the same thing like this idea of hiring models to do this like, you know, society work in terms of convincing doctors.

Because we used to host those dinners where a pharmaceutical sales rep would come in and I was like, I've never seen a sales rep that's like six one and like looks like a model.

But they would come into like sell doctors on writing prescriptions for oxy cotton and stuff. There's there are layers and layers and layers and layers of corruption that we're going on that are now better exposed by the fact that we know better so we can do better, but going back to Amanda for a quick second here. Do we think that you know, I'm very inspired by what happened with congressman swallwell this past weekend. If you were looking to take it down by kindergarten teacher that maybe follows and pulley and this Epstein class can be taken down by a girl who had a dream to be a model.

“Like I think that there is maybe more trust and regular people up against power structures in this generation than there's ever been and so I hope for it.”

But the difference between swallwell and Epst Trump right now is that Trump has a power to get ice to take to deport you back to Brazil and make sure you never see your son again like that is the different swallwell is in the minority a Democrat and they are ready to like throw his ass out and they have which they should have and honestly like I've been. I had I had a feeling about swallwell. I didn't have any just random interactions. I was like. You remember you and I were talking about this and I was like it's going to go down like that guy just to I can smell trouble like it is.

I know exactly who's good. The benefit of being a butch lesbian is that men talk need the way they talk to other men sometimes and they like they don't accept that I that like I would of course side with women. So there are often times that awful men will be like and I'm like yeah okay and then I immediately I'm going to go and tell her because I'm a girl's girl but there are there are people I could tell exactly right away if they're going to be a creeper about guy for sure. And you have that feeling about them too.

Yeah just like the like the feedback interactions I had with them I was just like. I couldn't put my finger on it we did start get we started to get tips like everyone did I started to report it out like everyone did unfortunately like I which the terror Paul Mary show had the bandwidth to be like on everybody's ass. But you know we started reporting it and it got out which I'm happy that it did I did not know about right now.

“I mean that was and then that we have video and it's like that's what it takes in this time in this time.”

And there's so much more in the Epstein story that I've been digging into that I just like need you know hopefully you know just it just takes a lot and do investigative work and for the reason that we have right now I mean we are. going to continue reporting on what Amanda has told us. And if we can get you know responses from Melania and Palo you know being I will will come back to you and give you that information and and try to get it to you as quickly as we can.

It's important for people to know I think would explain you know why the first lady came out.

Yes sir. Yeah yeah it would and I mean Amanda remembers meeting her for the first time when she was 18 on a plane on Trump's plane from Miami to New York. And I'm just going to give you like some of the bits that you know she's told us that are consistent with what I do.

“Abby do we have a picture of what Melania looked like when she first came here with Trump because I think when we picture the first lady we picture as what she's become.”

But if you look at her from that period of time I think it paints a better picture of where she was at mentally and status and society wise and why she maybe would have. Turned on the girls the way that she did once she got out of what she figures you know she thinks that she's very much above some of the girls that she came in with it. Oh yes she did not care Amanda said that when she got important she said Melania said it tough she could go on and Amanda who had known her for decades tried to reach out for her.

Yeah she was like too bad like I'm above this but this is not you know this is not like we say in general. Yeah I say in Jersey she's a model girl she's a model girl so there I just think it's good for people to understand what Melania looked at the time that the social climbing that she was seeking to do the way she came in with Donald.

She came in with Donald had an obsession with casting his next wife as someone who could be the first lady he had dreams of being the president at a time and he was trying out different.

She was the better in that phase. She looked better there but she's a woman.

She was trying to cast this character and you see it even in the way that that's the picture I'm looking for here that's like what she came in as.

“And I'm not attacking her looks I want you to see where she came from versus where she has established and the fact that she very much does not want people to know that this is where she came in from.”

Because she rejects all the other women who are sort of down on their luck in a certain way or having achieved the status that she has she wants to present that she was always this dignified you know society girl and that's just quite simply not. Yeah there was actually Donald Trump spent a lot of time and. And she speaks very carefully because of him she speaks like as if because he had long wanted to be president of the United States so accent is manufactured by him and if you look at the way she talked when she first came here she had much easier American she spoke much much much more Americanized than she does now where it seemed yeah I think that she sounds a lot more New York than she did now when she talks it's like she could barely find the word she's like hilarious bald when all of a sudden she's like.

What do you call what do you call a cucumber like she has no idea you know. But going back to this time. I think it helps me as a person to remember what she was like at that time she was also at my college graduation which was a whole other insane thing he was the speaker. What Donald Trump was our commencement speaker for Wester College 2004 and he had just really started dating her I believe they were engaged at that time and he like made a show of like wanting her to like parade past. She was much more willing to be a trophy show off than she is now and I remember thinking it was weird back then and remember thinking how young she was compared to him back then even I was like oh weird.

Yeah yeah I mean I I used to see her out into town and yes she's and even the person that she the way she dressed when she was in she's always wearing a costume like she's a role.

It's a costume I think she dresses impeccably now I mean the pursuit she's always wearing like a beautiful D or suit she looks classic.

“I will give it to her but she's never going back and there's something I understand about never going back and I just want people to remember that.”

This is not a person who came from a royal family and as always then at the level that she's at now she came from the place where a lot of girls who you know. It's a tough place sometimes you're just trying to make it for yourself and she will never go back and so she doesn't want to be associated with Amanda or the Epstein people she thinks they're low class she thinks she's above them and she doesn't want to be reminded. But that's actually your peer class of solidarity the people you should be looking out for the people you should have brought up with you and she doesn't she doesn't want to hear that or be a part of that and that's and for that reason she should testify she's in the hell.

She probably has a better understanding of the Epstein circle than anybody else whether she wants to admit it or not because it's so the modeling world and the Epstein world are so intertwined in fact. One of Epstein's assistants he's girlfriend excuse me when she was having these problems. He turned to the photographer and one bariglass who put her on the map the one who took that famous picture of her naked on Trump's plane and to get it to have him help with that the visa problem. This was just the thing these guys did and you had they controlled you you had to stay in their good graces as long as long as you did not have.

A green card as long as you did not have you know a US citizenship and even amount at like all these years power controlled her essentially because she never got the green card.

“That's how she was able to be deported oh she all this time still didn't know she never had a green card.”

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“We are all in demand right now okay there's just like way too much news going on and shit is bananas.”

I like having actually seen clear on earlier today I think was really important to understand we're turning point USA is where women in the right are and now talking about what's going on with Amanda and Melania it's like I feel like everything is just coming to a head in such an interesting way. That I'm like I'm like hopeful for and I'm also extremely anxious Tara like I just I feel like every second of every day I can feel every single one of my nerves because we keep getting this like glut of information and.

Yeah no it's it's. It makes me feel like I was naive in a lot of ways in life because like in some ways I was sort of around all of this at one point like when I was a young reporter one of my first jobs was at Washington exam.

And I was around the conservative movement and I saw it up close and how they try to bring young girls like I mean I was a reporter is getting paid.

“It was not being a group do not get me wrong but when you graduate from college I started at CNN as a news assistant but like.”

Those jobs 2008 there were not a lot of jobs. No you know you wanted to continue in journalism I would I said to the you know I said I can I can write like I can I want to be a reporter. Can I write like kind of freelance for you guys and they hired me as a columnist but like I guess you think about it and even as a journalist like the few jobs that were really available in 2008 were in the conservative world.

So a lot of younger female reporters end up as reporters working the conservative media world and I'm like I'm happy that I learned to report there I'm grateful for the jobs that I had.

I don't think that I would have the grit that I have now the compassion the understanding for people if I was you know. The daughter of Remnick's David Remnick at the New Yorker's friend and I or had some great you know internship in college and that was my way of getting in like I had to I have to work my ass off to get to where I've gotten to and it's made me all the better but I do think that because. That these doors they're just more open like they're just and I can see how I mean modeling journalism not exactly the same world by restaurant it's all the same.

It's all the same it's all attempting to run by. It's not into a wild dominated industry where you know you're look is your whole thing even in restaurant I look like this now but this was only allowed to be the look after Adam Lambert and after David Tutera and people started to see having a gay event designer in chef as a status symbol prior to that I looked extremely feminine and was forced to it was like no you can't you have to. I had longer hair it was heels of where I mean if I were to bring up pictures of me working in the restaurants in early 2000s you'd be like oh your sister is really pretty like you would not know it was me this became possible when having a gay party by the way.

Thank you thank you. Thank you. This happens this like look or whatever only became popular because men gay men started to make it a set of symbol to have a gay event planner and started to become popular and television and then it was like oh it's marketable you can be yourself.

“But this was not allowed back then and so that's what pisses me off about Melody and these different people as I'm like we got out of it to some level achieved some level of success.”

You're not supposed to become the bad guy you're supposed to make it better for other people so it doesn't happen to them too and her getting out of it and being like no fuck everybody fuck Amanda you get deported tough luck. It just like it boils my blood to see the way that people are like this it just hurt yeah so bad you know it's annoying yeah your husband is sick weirdo started to holy war with the pope this weekend like what are you even doing.

Trying to get the pope on the show we're working on it so oh my god my mom called me last night she's like be did you know that we know the pope's secretary.

So Bobby Malay who had Malay's market his mother had Malay's market in shelter and it was my grandma's best friend and Bobby's the pope's secretary did you know I was like my. Are you going to call Bobby and ask him if we can meet the pope and she's like I don't know maybe I probably could fit his mom's number. God if you get an interview with the pope thanks to your mom set this secretary the most New England Catholic thing that has ever happened right my mom being like the. Mary grandma's best friend Mary Bobby that's her son he's the pope secretary I was like my.

I love it if you get the pope I mean I'm loving the pope right now I got I have my haunted doll here that I got thrifting this weekend sister Mary Alice who I love. She's actually giving me like flashbacks to high school and grammar school I'm telling you so she's here watching over our shoulder in case anybody was wondering. I actually like the nuns though I mean my parents have made me do they made me do a lot of community service with them.

Get down in the dirt with people it's the nuns. No and they were in fact this right. Well there was a good. Oh my god bless and also like we had this nun sister Mary actually believe she's still around and she ran the school and she was like such a badass and that's this.

Catholic school going and we had a bad priest and she kicked his ass out right away.

And like you know when a woman is ruling the roots those bad priests on stick around for very long no we need to bring nuns back okay. There's there's a channel on TikTok that because now I keep talking about how much I love the Pope so I keep getting all this Catholic propaganda news shows pushed it me and like sitting there and joy. I am Irish and Albanian so we're done. Well it's a tricky thing because in Albanian you have the Muslims and then you have the Catholics but the Catholics or minority and they're typically Roma and so that's where we come from and that is very that's a tough that's a tough swirl.

“Yeah. Oh wow you are a spicy spicy that is a spicy mix and that's why it's a piste people well you're like Italian and from New Jersey don't get much.”

Let's tougher than that. Let's bring the entire difference because we'll beat you up outside the Catholic church if you're acting wrong.

I wish that I was beating more people up earlier in love. But before we go because we were really supposed to do 30 minutes but now we're just kicking because the world is just like absolutely falling apart. This was crazy. It looks like he's healing Epstein. Doesn't this man in the bed look like a young Jeffrey Epstein? I was like what is going on with you? You freak as. How do you even put this in my family would talk to me?

“I would ask them how they felt about this and like a war in the top over here. Like there's like some kind of soldiers and then some kind of like war in the top corner.”

I'm like what what's coming for the apocalypse? I don't think like have any idea each other. Yeah, and a little bit. Yeah, his hair looks phenomenal. I mean, the hair they got right. And then it was like, is this Jose Andreas over here on the left corner and the hat with the beard. I was like, what leave Jose Andreas alone. It's just it's too much. Oh, people are saying it looks like John Stewart in the bed. I just I just can't be. I cannot be alive with this level of firehose of insanity terror. Like how are things in Italy? How are the people in Italy responding to Americans right now? Like as you are traveling through Prusa and Rome.

Well, you look at me. Well, if you look at him. Right now. So they're like, okay. Yeah, and they call me forgot. So which I'm like, oh my God, thank you. What is that? I mean, oh, young girl. Got something. It's kind of like something you say to me like, hey, I got suddenly. Sarah. I am I'm not, you know, I'm a lady now head over to the vet. I'm a Donna. Well, I know what the international response is to America.

Like when I travel, I always try to see what's on the news over there. I don't know. I've been hanging out with Italians all weekend and like they're all like horrified and you know, but they're not.

They just think it's about Epstein and that word more and Israel brought us into war because everyone has dirt on Trump. Everyone's listening to podcasts. The Italians are listening to podcasts on YouTube like Cap drivers and I keep hearing Israel Epstein war, you know, around and it's like every it's like those four words. I know those four words and they're appearing them all around me and so I don't think there's like any just like the way that we see it, they see it. There are even more pissed off because they're the ones who are really suffering from the Welsh shortages and like this is just the way it is like I have not heard a single person here and be like.

They understand two why Americans voted for Trump. They're like, oh, for taxes, right? I mean Italians are pretty practical people. They're like, yeah, they voted, we know like well, if you tell any of their own history with fascism speaking of my Albanian heritage, like the faculty did all my grandmother wanted in our life. She was like, please, God. But the Italians like and Italian and then both me and Mr. Mary to tell you. Yeah. Listen, Italians, yes, they like fascists. I mean, the is Georgia Maloney coming out against them though. I've seen her be like really aggravated with Trump.

They like fascists until they're F by the fascists themselves and that's a problem. I mean, Italian Americans were in the first ethnic American groups to come out for Trump. I remembered that and I've been in 2016 and people that and he always used like.

“Well, he's always on the climate thing. Yeah, there's a whole thing there, but no, they're not happy. You just, you can't have put their money and I think.”

And also like, I guess the people I'm around are more like me. So yeah, they're not, no way. No one is happy about this. Not even Americans, not even a supporters. No, we talked about Pana Beach Pete, but we talked about him a couple weeks ago. He's just like a grifter loser who's willing to be like, oh, yeah, I look like Jeffrey Epstein.

No, no, no, no. And I think everyone, everybody knows exactly what the Maloney Trump thing was about to.

Yeah, you guys are going to find out some look. If you, I, because I'm dumb and innocent, I Google. I'm not getting a chance to get my Google, my Google, Melania Trump news because I was trying to see, like, I wasn't trying to see the pictures. I was trying to see what I was about it. No, you want to hear a look. Sarah, I'm dead serious. She, I thought they meant like, topless or something. No, they were like, she took real, real dirty pictures. Oh, I'm back. And for the French magazine, that's the thing, she was not a runway model.

“No, or a commercial model. The pictures that she took would disqualify you from commercial or mainstream work, I think.”

Well, they were poor enough. Yeah, you couldn't be like in it. She couldn't even gotten playboy after some of the stuff that she did. They would have been like, no, it's already out there. It's already been seen. Well, here's the other thing to like, you, when you want the reason that they like girls so young, it's like their bodies are literally clothing. You can just put clothes on them and they can take them off quickly and then they can put them on the next wall on the runway show, right? Like it's about like actually like ease of movement.

And yes, they look like the Zells and they're beautiful, but like they're like, it's actual movement. But when you have fake breasts, like, that's the last thing a real model would do, unless you're like swimming. And then at that point, you're like elevated and you're like, you're actually at like, a swim suit model, but SI, but that usually doesn't happen until you're famous. Like people don't usually put it.

And then you become famous for weird things like sex tapes or dating you have never or like Melania who got to do an SI,

she would only offer shoes with Trump. Like her entire modeling career did not start until Trump. Right, because she wasn't that type of model. It was when she got to do GQ and Juan Berg was Epstein's friend shot her. That is when she started being in, you know, golf, golf, max or whatever naked, but everything was naked. And she had some concord, like watch commercial, but she was again in a bed, no clothing.

People were not buying clothing. She's got a lot of talent for that. Right, right, they were paying for pornography. And I was like, oh, you shut the guy theory. But if you want to run around naked, I'm not gonna do it. But don't pretend you're better than everybody and that you're above everybody that your husband is going after and

villainizing and doing all this horrible stuff, like if you're going to be a sex positive person, be one then.

And help them and not help them. Because you keep your son away from the manosphere and also if you could have been in her shoes. Yeah, she still can still can still can. She can port it now, Kenji. She sure kid.

“Sure, yeah, I think it'd be naturalized or why not?”

Could we be deported? Should we get off the phone? We could be deported. We could be, oh man, boo, deport me back to Italy. Oh, that'd be awful. Oh, terrible right now. There'd be awful bringing back to Albania. It's terrible there. It might actually be scary.

If my grandmother knew that just in one generation, I'd be considering if Albania was maybe a better shot for us. She would have lost her mind. She would have lost her mind. But I know my grandmother, whenever I go to Poland, she's like that. No, no, don't you thought I know. She's like, no, she's like, no, why she gets to be American stop. Guy Fieri and the taste brothers. Guy Fieri.

I don't know what to tell you about that. He, you know, one time he had dapped up the Andrew Tate and everyone was like, well, maybe he didn't know he was. This time he did it at the USC fight and his friend that was with him was like, we love you guys. You're awesome to the tape brothers at this point. I just, there's no excusing it. Guy Fieri dapped up the tape brothers and things they're awesome.

I don't know. I don't know if he'll say about that. He's, you can buy him. He's having the, the food network. And so people are like food network needs to drop him and I was trying to explain he did. They literally cannot because he controls almost three quarters. They're programming and he's responsible for almost the entire income of that particular network.

“There was no way to replace him. The only thing you could do is not watch his shows.”

If you want, but I wouldn't expect a lot of like accountability from them. There's nothing that they can do with that. You're like, he's a renta quote, like I feel like he's a renta chef like for the right price and he'll do anything. And he's just right. I have a lot of feelings about Guy Fieri, but a lot of my friends work for him.

He's actually okay. He looks. Do you ever do a show where you cook and do this? Yeah, I should. We were talking about doing it this summer, maybe because I love to cook and I'm getting my kitchen redone.

So with the new kitchen, I'd be happy to like cook and show people stuff. But I wanted to do a show on Fridays called "Are we Cooked?" Where I make a snack like an emotional support snack and talk about like one of the worst things from the week.

But I have a lot of chef friends that are really talented interesting people.

“And I think that folks know them as their chef personality,”

but they might not know like just how cool they are and what they're doing for the industry. Like Kristen Kish has done a lot for the industry to be more friendly to women, to understand like the trauma and industry appeal to adopted folks. Like she was adopted from by German parents, even though she's not German inherently. And talks about like just the way that the restaurant industry like builds up your confidence is a person who feels sort of adrift and like the importance of like having safe spaces and industry.

There's a lot of my friends talk about black food ways being displayed by trends and are so interesting. And it's just like fun cool stuff. And I'm like maybe I want to talk about food now. Instead of I don't know all the horribleness of US politics but maybe both. It's what gives me confidence because I'm like fuck all of you. If I ever get canceled from doing the news for telling the truth, I'll just go back to restaurants and I was good at that too.

So I think there's like if you have a fallback on something. I feel your talent. It makes you really confident to be like out here, you know. I don't know why I'm so confident because I'm very few skills. But it's the Italian. It's the jersey Italian. You have lots of skills and you've been even so high. So well, I know you're all alone. You don't have to like be under anybody's thumb.

So that's really helpful. Yes. Meneet Chaohan, very good friend outstanding wonderful person. Everybody's good as you could hope Bobby Flas Terrible. He's the worst.

He divorced his first wife because she wanted James Beard Award before him and he couldn't handle it.

No. I don't know. I'll tell you about that. We'll do a chef day right? Tea on everybody.

“If we both have a death, if we both get canceled, okay?”

Yeah. We open a restaurant. We open a Sicilian restaurant together. There you go. Yes. You'll come in, come for the food.

Stay for us talking shit about everyone we've ever met in 20 years of history. We should open it in Sicily, actually. Oh, my wife would love that. She's Italian. Yeah. We'll do it. But here's the other.

I think I. Well, our, my favorite time. Tara. Oh. It's okay.

I didn't entire podcast on APL. Like Adam Perry line. Nasty of Jimmy Kimmel. Dude. Go on.

Time to come clean. But there's other chefs too, guys. There's a chef that specifically worked on the plane.

And the problem is he actually spoke to the FBI, which is great.

Uh, we, Adam said he was too, but like the problem is another person who's a problem is the pilot, the Saskate who handed over allegedly off his flight log to the obscene office. And we'll never see those. And that would, that would answer so many questions. It's like, well, it was my mind how much.

You think we'll get to it with this new generation of politicians though. Like I see Robert Garcia and his attitude is similar to ours about like, you could cancel me off. I'll just go back to restaurants. His is like, I never even.

I was a child when Epstein was operating. So I'm not worried about a, I'm not friends with anybody who is around that time. Whereas the Chuck Schumerous Chuck Schumer took money from Epstein at one point. He gave it back and said he didn't know he was a bad guy. Nancy Pelosi of it all.

Like all these people have known about Epstein and all this time and have hidden it. And now it's like, I feel like until millennials get in power. We're not going to see it. But like if John all saw becomes president in 28, maybe we would. It also means that we have to get rid of like big money and politics.

Like that's a huge problem in this country because when you start taking money from everybody, which is what people feel like they have to do. Your, it becomes a problem. Like a lot of people get money from shady ways. Get from, you know, and then suddenly you're like, I didn't know that Steven was also,

you know, sexually, it's like everybody's had to give back money from their shady daughter. Like you're talking about your, yeah. We talked about New York when we get to talking about Las Vegas and the Epstein connections between Las Vegas and Epstein. That's a whole other world of restaurant.

And like a shadyness, the models, the whole thing that operated there. I don't even think people have really scratched the surface on Las Vegas. And I'm only going to let America like until women are educated. Have the same opportunities as men. They're going to fall and see traps.

Like it's just, it's just not. We can get a little bit of a fuckener. You guys want Elizabeth Faulkner to come on. She is another really close personal friend. She's been at Thanksgiving at my house.

I still own one of the dishes that she baked me a pie in. And then I said, I'm keeping this. We can get Elizabeth Faulkner on to talk about it. But, um. Where does it go?

It's sort of my thing.

“It's like why has the tape to talk too much about James Beard?”

Because it's like, where does it go? Is it helping or is it just, you know, but I don't know. I know. It's not so hard.

Well, when you want to write your book up, you're a ghost writer. Okay, perfect. We have a book coming out next year.

This would be helpful with the book.

I'm writing right now that I just had to get a book doctor for. Because I had over a thousand pages. And this woman was like, girl, we got to narrow this down. There was book one and two here. So she's like fixing it for me right now.

Okay. That's crazy. This is a lot easier. We need to write your book here. I wanted to write a book called The Dish.

And it would just be my restaurant career from 2012 to 2019. And it would be everything from Mitt Romney's RNC and like having to hide the strippers on the delegate buses all the way up to my life at James Beard and being told on my first day. So James Beard is a pedophile. And we know that, but we were not changing the name of the organization.

“I mean, just that alone would sell the book, wouldn't it?”

Yeah, it would. And actually there was a lot of weird shit going on at that 2012 RNC convention. I was there. And like, staffers jumping in the pool. Like, after we're in parties.

Like, it was pretty wild for our family values. We should, we should.

We've never talked about the fact that we both did RNC 2012.

Because there are some stories I have people are like, that's not true. And Tara could be like, no, yeah, there were strippers on the delegate bus. We were strippers everywhere. That's everywhere. That's everywhere.

There's even a little bit of a similar pill and that was stripping. She was everywhere. And it was Tinapa. You know? So it was Tampa and it was just that slutty.

It was bad. It was phenomenal time. I was coming. I was covering it for the New York post of the time as a political reporter. I was blushing.

I was like, it was a lot. I know the drugs, everything was crazy. And then the Mitt Romney being kept so separate from it was nuts. People want a cooking show with Tara and Panchana. Panchana.

I gave her such an unfortunate name for food. I can no longer eat now.

I knew it was like, here's the young Republican group.

Oh, my gosh. We'll just do a whole show. You are welcome. You are welcome. Yeah.

“I remember calling stuff into the news desk from the Republican National Convention.”

My boss was just like, what? And I worked for the post that I'm so they like didn't want to make Republicans look bad. And I was like, all right. Guess that one died on the cutting room floor. Like, there was.

And there was a hurricane on day one. So all my parties from Monday. I had to move to Thursday. So it was just like in insane. I didn't sleep at all.

It was nuts. And just the things that happened in Tampa. Talk about, I mean, the secret life of Mormon housewives has nothing on the 2012 Mitt Romney RNC. People that worked for.

People that worked for. Yeah. Well, leastophonic was this chief communications officer. So it was like. I ended up at some party on the water.

Like, did I plan on Davis Island? Yeah. I was so young that I have no one like they were just like, I was like, 20 on it. But I didn't know what I was doing.

They were like, figure this out. Okay. Me and Joey Redner. Figure it out. Like young people.

“Where do we get drugs and strippers from for the republicans?”

No, what? The best part about being young. It's no one takes you seriously and you see everything. Everything. And as the staff on top of it, they, you know,

they're hiding out in the catering tent. Doing drugs and doing horrible things. We should just do a whole show on the 20s. Now if you and I walking for room, people start acting good. Yeah.

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“I'm like, "Yeah, can't believe that you're so collaborative with me."”

I'm like, "Yeah, man." We're not competition. There's room for all of us, so it is what it is. But enjoy Italy. We'll see if we get a man to hopefully we do.

And see you later, Pally. Yeah, YouTube. Be well. Bye, Desk Monty. I read letterists.

We'll see you next time. Bye everyone under the desk. I'll bring Pinch out next time. Please. We must.

All right, we should have brought her to Italy for a little bag. Oh, my God, can you imagine Pinch out in Italy? The fits. You should have seen it. Okay, bye, guys.

Bye.

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