The Epstein Honeytrap: The Women Who Pulled Prince Andrew In

Welcome back to the Tarar Paul Mary Show. For years, the Epstein story was treated primarily as a sex trafficking scandal, but underneath

“it all, I think we all know there are questions about who he was really working for.”

After all, why did he need a network to be that expansive? To include that many powerful people and so many victims. There have been questions about why they're hidden cameras all over his home. Some so small you could fit them in a Kleenex box for all the FBI is sitting on 40 terabytes

of video footage that we've never seen.

And now, Royal Biographer Andrew Lounny in his book entitled The Rise and Fall of the House of York has some new reporting based on the Epstein files, intelligence sources and an FBI document that describes how Epstein was working as a foreign actor, targeting Prince Andrew through women, money, and contacts. He alleges that in some cases, Prince Andrew was a willing and knowing participant, driven

by his hatred for his brother King Charles and leaving the throne really belonged to him.

“The follows is one of the wildest conversations I've had about the Epstein network and that”

is saying something complete with Russian operatives, Israeli intelligence, powerful businessman and women and girls used as leverage.

And of course, we get into that suspicious suicide note that Epstein allegedly wrote and

has just recently been produced by the Department of Justice and why Lounny who has been reporting for many years for this book just doesn't think it's real. I want to go into this document about the Russian intelligence services and you know, it talked about, you know, figures like Jeffrey Epstein as access to political and business leaders.

It's can you tell me more about this document about the Russian intelligence services and how Epstein and Prince Andrew were connected? Yeah, it's a document I was given by an American intelligence official. It's dated 15th of January as clear. It's called Andrew Mubat and Winds of Political Corruption.

It's categorized as both RIS, Russian intelligence services and Chinese intelligence services.

And it kind of goes into the fact that the Russian criminal gowns are being basically

infiltrated by Russian intelligence, they're operating together, they're taking advantage of for example, green energy subsidies. They're out to basically, you know, this is part of the hybrid warfare that's going on. And they're using sort of useful idiots like Andrew to get lend credibility to projects to give access to particularly important people.

They say that he's driven not because he's been blackmailed, but because he's been given the things that he likes, which is a woman contacts money, a lot of it's driven by hatred for his brother, Charles. So really, really revealing sort of document and certainly, you know, there are a lot of Chinese and Russian spies hanging around Andrew and you can see why, very easy to get

access as no proper scrutiny of him.

“And if you want to meet important people, then a British royal is a good way of doing”

it. Particularly one who's looking for money and we see various figures as an interesting figure called Johnny Holland who's very close to both North Korean and Chinese governments who's being paying large sums of money to serve focus in each year as a brand ambassador for one of his businesses and he gave a quite a lot of money to one of her businesses raised

money from Chinese investors and used her as a way of raising the money and then gave money to her and spent quite a lot of money himself on things like meetings with the tourist secrets models. And the sort of things that, you know, most people would run a mile from and if there was proper scrutiny of the royal would not be allowed to happen.

So that I think there is, as I say, an attention to aspect to this, there's a quite a little little commentator here who's also written about this, clearly from tipped off by his own government sources, that this is the way the story is going. And it's clear that Andrew was a blackmailed or certainly this compromise on him from honey traps or from all over the world, I mean Libya, China, Middle East, Central Asia.

They've all got compromising the turtle about Andrew in these honey traps. He Andrew would request girls be provided for him when he made these trips.

mislead back here to sleep with him, keep him happy.

“There's a story in Hong Kong of someone being deputed to take care of him and being shocked”

by Andrew bringing in prostitutes watching porn, discussing Japanese rope bondage. These are on official trips, I mean in the hardback, I had a story of him in Thailand, booking in 40 prostitutes on an official trip and certainly one of my contacts was talking about how, you know, when the expenses came in from these trips, Andrew was claiming the massages with some of these escorts on taxpayers, the taxpayers tab and he was told he

has led it through, you know, we'll disguise this on the general accounting. Extraordinary, you know, he just felt he could do anything you wanted, known would, would challenge him. It's incredible.

So you reported that US intelligence was concerned that Jeffrey Epstein was running

the world's largest honey trap for Israel and Russia, which brings me back to Robert Maxwell, some of that I covered very closely for the series that the Sony podcast series that I did in 2021 called Power the Maxwell's and it's widely believed that Maxwell was a double agent working for the two countries, helping Soviet Jews move to Israel. How are those two people connected at Maxwell and Epstein and when did they become connected

“and can you explain how Prince Andrew fits into all of us?”

Well, I mean, it's still a mystery and I suspect you know more about it than I do. I mean, one of my new sources talks about kind of hanging out with Galane Epstein and Andrew

in the mid 1980s, which would suggest that relationship goes much, goes back a decade.

I mean, the story that different versions, you know, that Galane met Andrew when she was Oxford and the mid 80s, there are other stories saying that Sarah Ferguson introduced Andrew when Sarah Ferguson and Galane were kind of sort of social butterflies in New York in the 90s. I think it does make sense, we would all, in some ways, the slink with Maxwell and presumably

it could have been introduced through through an intelligent source, we know that there were entirely, you know, when Epstein was teaching a daughter school here, connections clearly with the bar family who had backgrounds and intelligence there, but you know, with American intelligence, but you know, perhaps who some other contacts he got and he was brought together with Maxwell who, as you say, was working for the British for the Russians and for Israeli

“intelligence, and that's how the money, you know, that's how he made money so quickly.”

He was kind of brought in, I mean, the stories from one intelligence person I talked to about Galane, I think, being introduced to Epstein way back in the 80s at an art gallery in New York. So I mean, there just so many rumors running around very difficult to pin down, and, you know, that all one or two commentators are he and she is it who's talked about, you know, working from Maxwell and stories about Epstein.

So, but it sounds like, you know, Epstein was actually not the mastermind of all this, but it was just another player in a kind of wider conspiracy, which goes back, you know, a lot for earlier than people think, involves intelligent services, and it was the, the comprimates that was was all about political subversion as well as financial manipulation, and it was just one of just the device to compromise people to get them to do what they,

whatever the, the various organizations wanted them to do. Yeah, for some context about Robert Maxwell, he was a media bearer, and at the time who was a rival to Robert Murdoch, I mean, he owned the New York Daily News, the mirror, MTV Europe, Pergon Press, a number of, of media properties, and he also was member of parliament at one time. He was, you know, a high-flying media mogul, and his daughter, the Len Maxwell, if he, if he survived,

and well, not survive, you know, that's another thing. He died mysteriously off the side of his yacht, the Lady Galen, when he was suddenly in a position where he had robbed the, the pensioners from the mirror, and he was obviously probably more easily compromised because he was in that financial position, and so he mysteriously dies, his body was to shore. They bury him in the Mount of Olive's in Israel, which is reserve for

princes and kings and people of the high state, and, you know, Galen said in her testimony to

he thought of, of Jeffrey Epstein when he was thinking of hiring him. I believe it was Hank that did that. And so, you know, there are a lot of questions about how far back their relationship goes, did, you know, Robert bring Epstein in earlier on the New Think, did he introduce Galen to Jeffrey, and it's really hard to get down to the bottom of it, but they certainly seem like very similar

characters to say the least. Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, Galen, because they'd never,

no one's ever really been able to explain Galen meeting Epstein. And if it came, you know, it's all supposed to have happened after her father's death, which came to New York, but

“science like it all happened beforehand. So, you know, I think that's what's so fascinating.”

This story has a long way still to run. I think we've only really got the tip of the iceberg in terms of what really happened. Right. Did her father launder his money through Jeffrey Epstein? And is that how she had this multimillion dollar townhouse after who died? Yes. Well, I think, you know, that certainly one of the suspicions. And of course, you know, all, all, you know, that again comes back to connections with Trump and some of the work that people

like Craig Unger and does done. So, it's, you know, I think as we begin to try and put the pieces together, we're beginning to get a sense of what happened. Right. I mean, I find it fascinating to a Trump and Robert Maxwell, we're on his yacht, the Lady Galen, in New York, and Galen is trying to sell Trump, their corporate gifts, this company. I mean, there's so many crossover. There's so much crossover between these two worlds.

And yeah, well, I want to bring us to today the present day. We know that Prince Andrew put out of statement saying he thinks it's best for the family if he steps aside from royal life because not mentioned the victims. He's only a little bit about the reaction to that and the family, how Charles has handled it, what this could do his throne and his that ring.

“Well, I think there was a great deal of outrage after Andrew was allowed to make that statement”

with the beginning of October. I mean, as you say, he didn't express any of any remorse or apology, though he'd been, you know, told the D should. He was allowed to say that he was stepping down voluntarily. He denied all the allegations. And I think that forced the king to really do something and the king

should always have made the statement. The statement he made the end of October, he should have

made the beginning of October. And, you know, he earned a lot of respect when he was much more ruthless. Because I think, you know, he's just kind of dead on the, the roles being too slow to address this and get ahead of the story. So we saw some things change. I think the publication of Virginia Jiffrey's book also changed public opinion. Again, what's interesting. I was told by my FBI source that they provided a copy of Virginia Jiffrey's book while she was alive. So pre-april

to the royal family. So they knew what was coming and yet nothing was done. And it's always this. It's only ever in reaction to events. And, you know, there is this big question. I mean, the king got heckled in October, that was another factor in terms of him, you know, taking the title away from Andrew, getting eventually out of royal lodge. But, you know, the question that's

“still being asked, what do the royal family know when did they know it? And what did they do about it?”

And if they have been protecting Andrew, they've been aware of what he's been up to for a long time. That's going to be very damaging to, and I think, you know, this is the thing the king needs to answer. I mean, this is a story that's been in the press for 15 years. "Can I be a dictator?" I said, "No, no, no other than day one." How did Donald Trump turn the presidency into a king? Well, it didn't start with him. It was the goal of a decade's long master plan.

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There've been particularly highlights. One in 2010 when I was a servant was called Sending Access to Andrew for half a million pounds. The 2022 Selman Turk High Court case in which 1.3 million pounds was being fenced through the focus through Ferguson and Andrew's accounts, which couldn't be explained.

Nothing happened. They didn't actually address some of the things that I'd raised, and so it's

really only with the releases at the end of last year and through this year that really anything is

“being done. But even then, I think it's performative. It's saying, you know, let the law take its course.”

But at the same time, I'm hearing stories of policemen being reminded of their obligations of confidentiality, etc. So it's all window dressing. What goes on in public and what has happened behind the scenes? I think it's two very different things. Yep, and we also went to Sarah Ferguson for comment. She's not responded. And we understand that you made attempts to contact the palace on the allegations against Andrew. I'm still in shock that in 2009, Sarah tried to go into

business with Jeffrey Epstein. Sarah Ferguson was talking about giving him a 51% stake in mother's army at company and personal brand that aimed to help amplify the voices of mothers all over the world. I mean, it's shocking to me. That was on the game. She uses charities, you know,

for basically financial reasons. And I mean, again, the relationship with Howard Lutnik,

you know, who gave her free accommodation for an officer in the two towers. But also was involved in these money making operations. Andrew was going to lend credibility to a lot of these operations, which would actually bring Kanto for sure quite a lot of money. Howard Lutnik is our commerce secretary by the way, who denied that he had continued a relationship with Jeffrey Epstein after 2009. But it appears that his relationship continues at least 2012. I want to talk about the cover-up, the death.

Now we have this letter where Jeffrey Epstein is supposedly saying, you know, goodbye. This is it for me. It's as to as I know. Do you think it's real?

Yes, I don't believe the letters genuine. I mean, we don't know the provenance. It's odd why it's

“suddenly appeared. It's not the way that Epstein written. But, you know, I think there are also”

questions now about the suicide. I mean, putting aside the suicide note. I mean, there's the evidence from Michael Bagend that the sort of forensic pathologist that this was a homicide rather than suicide, we've got inmates saying that he couldn't possibly have committed suicide given the height of the beds and the sheets. We've got mysterious payments to the two last guards who saw him, who mysteriously fell asleep both at the same time when someone came into a cell.

We think, or when he couldn't suicide, we've got lots of shredding of documents. We've got cameras at fail. We've got people with testimony saying that he wasn't too suicidal. I think, you know, there was this concern that he was about to spill the beans and therefore, you know, he could prove to be all a dangerous. And I think, you know, the fact that he wrote as well a few days before he died, doesn't suggest he was creating suicide, but that he might

himself be suicide it. And there's a whole series of people who've died and was to collect substances through suicide in prison. Right. I mean, prisons supposedly are designed to that this won't happen, right? Yes. I mean, you're supposed to be safe in prison. And, you know, again, interesting things cell mates moved out of the cell, no one was disciplined, you know, this was pretty embarrassing to have a high level prison like that who was able to commit suicide.

You know, lots and lots of things just don't add up. And, you know, Torah, no, I'll

“have to over know, well, who's one of the guards. I think has just given some testimony, but again,”

had testimony doesn't really make sense. You know, she talks about these quite large payments, which I think enough to buy a car were for overtime. So, you know, I think there's a lot more still to come out about some Epstein's death. Right. You write that according to an FBI report on July 24th, this is just shortly before he kills himself in the Epstein files. He met a prison psychologist insisting he had put no interest in killing himself, and that it would be crazy his words to

commit suicide. I had a life, and I want to go back to living my life. And I, even Alan Dershwitz himself thought that he would be able to get off Alan Dershwitz was his lawyer. Yes, absolutely. It doesn't ring true. I mean, you know, he's enough. I mean, talking to victims, lawyers. I mean, everyone said that, you know, he thought he was going to get out of this. He'd managed to get out of everything before he had expensive lawyers. It was a whole start of the process. And it just doesn't make sense.

So, you know, whether we'll ever get to the full, the full story, and who, if he was killed, who killed him, is, you know, is really interesting. I mean, there's talk that was Mossad agents

who may have been behind it or some of the people, the co-conspirators, you know, who knows, but

maybe something will emerge, you know, some documentation or some testimony that will shed some light on this. I remember from the 60 minutes documentary that was done shortly afterwards, because there were so many inconsistencies in this former police detective Herman Wiesberg, you write about this told CBS after studying the pictures, quote, it appeared that the scene was for lack of a better term, staged a bit. And we know that Epstein's brother Mark has been

trying to prove that he was killed. He hired an independent pathologist, but the body was moved, which makes it difficult. Why do you think Mark is so intent on proving this that his brother was

“killed is it for insurance money? Does he want to sue the jail? I mean, or is it something else?”

I'm always suspicious when it comes to him. Yeah, I just don't know. I mean, I actually had lunch with

him in New York in December, and he was saying at that stage that he was going to produce a team of experts that were going to prove that it was murder, but he hasn't done so. I mean, I think he was talking about February being the date. Well, here we are in May, nothing is appeared. But who knows, you know, again, you know, the full story of Mark, Epstein and Jeffrey, I mean, he says that they were quite, you know, remain quite close, but hardly saw each other.

But, you know, you know, that there were several people who were quite close to Jeffrey, who of, you know, the countenance and lawyers and people, who I don't think we've really got the full story from yet. And I felt extraordinary that people who are working for Epstein haven't been subpoenaed to talk and with the Sarah Kellons and Leslie Groffs and others. It seems extraordinary that they are allowed just to sort of operate quietly and live their lives without anything,

any questioning whatsoever. I also am really bothered that it's all happening behind closed doors. You know, something that you mentioned in the book that I don't think has gotten enough attention is that Bill Barr, who was Trump's attorney general at the time, visited Epstein in prison. I mean, what do we think they talked about? And it's interesting to me too, because as we know, Epstein worked for Bill Barr's father at Dalton. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. In Bill Barr,

“as a background in intelligence, as to the father, I think. So, it is extraordinary”

that it's never been explained. It seems a very sort of obvious thing in a very public thing to do.

And as you say, no one's ever been explained what they talked about, why he came there. Just one of the, you know, one of the various mysteries that's still surrounded that that death. I want to go back to the fallout for the royal family. We know that the princesses and Andrew's daughters, they have profited from their role in the royal family. What is to come of them? I mean, they haven't done anything wrong themselves, but it can't be great.

Well, I mean, there's a bit of a campaign to sort of paint them as innocent victims of their parents. I think that's not entirely the case. I mean, we've plenty of instances of money being found there accounts that they couldn't explain from people they didn't know. And I mean, large sums that you wouldn't, you know, you would have noticed. You know, there's plenty of evidence of them supporting, promoting banks, results in the Middle East and various organisations and charities, which presumably

“they would pay to do. And that's why I think it's so important to have a proper royal register”

where people like that, they do have to declare their business interests in the way that maps of Parliament in this country have to. So that there is transparency about what they're doing. You know, they're entitled to business careers, but I think if there's a sense that they're making money off the back of their role titles and that these events are done not by Beatrice Musi, but by her Royal Highness Princess Beatrice, then, you know, I think that that does raise questions.

Sounds familiar, huh? So I think we will find more will come out about the daughters in the coming months and the fact that they were asked to for an order for their business. Sorry. I think it sounds familiar to me. You know, there were asked to an order of their business expenses and those were not. Yeah, well, exactly. You know, I think there's so much that could still come out about them. I think that's very unwise of the Royal Family to hold them too tight

for the moment because I think there could be a very simple disclosure, which could have ramifications for the reputation of the families of the whole. Hmm. What's Andrew's current state of mind? What is he doing right now? Well, I mean, from from people I've talked to,

always been a bit of a couch potato. He watches TV and he no longer is able to to go out

writing, but he goes for walks. He's talking to lawyers. He's not really having people visit him. The relationship with his family seems to be more difficult. I mean, his own daughter didn't

“tell him directly that she was pregnant. But I think it's a waiting game. You know, he must be”

wondering if charges will be brought. He doesn't think they will, but he must be wondering what is likely to happen. And, you know, you saw those pictures of him after being to police station and February. You know, here was a man who, I think perhaps certainly on that day, was really coming to realising how serious the position he was in. Yeah. Again, what does this mean for Charles and his reign? Well, I hit the feeling is, you know, that the Queen has passed the book to Charles and

William doesn't want Charles to pass the book to him. He wants his dealt with in the current reign. If necessary, Charles takes the foot and that William inherits a throne which is a clean slate and all the stables have been cleaned. And I think that's not going to happen. And I think that, you know, William is sees the reputation of damage. He doesn't want to be tired with this brush. And he would like his father to deal with it. But some, and I suspect there are conversations going on

like that for a whole time. But Charles may feel obligated to his mother. He may have done some deal with Andrew to protect the daughters as the wife getting Andrew out of royal lodge. Who knows, you know, what, what's we're getting very mixed messages about what's happening.

All the while Andrew is playing World of Warcraft video games. Yes, when he's always enjoyed video games.

I mean, he, you know, he likes, you know, violent films. He would take a date night. He would take girls to sort of Rambo and talk gun. So he's, he's not a very sophisticated person.

“He's not a great reader. He doesn't have a huge hinterland. And so I think it must be difficult.”

I understand that he often is still in this dressing gown at lunchtime. You know, he's become a bit of a slope. He's kind of lost a sort of purpose and discipline in his life, which he had. Yeah. Well, Andrew, thank you so much for your time. This was fascinating. Go out by the book. You can finally get the paper back in the United States and in Canada. I found it to be fascinating. I had to read it, you know, via PDF. But at the heart copy,

this is history and it's happening every day. I have a feeling you're going to either write another addition or you're going to have more chapters to add. I'm going to do a new book and you book called Untitled, which will tell the full story of the fall from grace. Exactly. Actually,

Hamilton asked, um, he sees that I'm proud to have been one of the first lessons to the audio

book in the States and support the book. Will the new chapter be automatically added to the audio book on audible? Yes, it will. Absolutely. You just, it will just be just added automatically.

“And I've read it again. And we've made a few small corrections. I think I got the data. I got”

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