What Epstein’s Lawyers Won’t Say About Trump Accuser Jane Doe

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Start your free trial at Shopify.com/ayou. Welcome back to the Tara Palmeri Show. The House Oversight Committee has released the transcript from the closed door hearings with Epstein's longtime attorney's Richard, Khan, and Darren in bike. These two gentlemen claim that they didn't know what the settlements to these women were all about.

Believe me, the transcripts are shocking. They also talk about Jane Doe 4, the woman who claimed that she was assaulted by both Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump. And as we know, their testimony has been contradictory at best. I get into all of this and more with my friends.

Be Spear and Leslie Dobson definitely check out this episode and stick around with us. It's a lighter one, it's kind of a lunch, it's chatty, but we definitely get into a lot of different themes and I hope you enjoy it. It's not my typical style, but if you like it, leave a comment. All right, we'll hear we are.

And there are more updates in the Epstein case situation.

“I think the thing we talked about kicking off with first is this update with the settlement”

that went to Jane Doe 4 and the potential of that being a little shady. Dr. Leslie, you're nodding, can you give us like the TLDR on that? Yeah, I mean, just the deposition of the accountant where he basically said that the Trump estate settled for with his victim and then he backtracked. It was like, okay, is this perjury?

Did you make a mistake? Why does this keep happening? That sounds strange, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think like he was, you know, this is the thing I keep seeing from everyone, not just from lawyers, but from victims too.

Everyone is afraid of Trump, right? Like that is the, I don't, the red line you could say. And even the victims, like, they're just, they don't feel comfortable talking about Trump.

They're always like, he's great.

We love him. Can he please help us? They are afraid of his power and the weight of what he could do. And I get that sense from the lawyers that they know that they cannot cross the President of the United States, that they may feel the full force of the government against them.

And that is a very scary thing. It is hard to speak out right now, especially on this story. And yeah, like I've seen it ever since he was president from the victims, even the way that Virginia would talk about him. He was great.

He was amazing. And it was always like, she was trying really hard. Everyone else was dark and scary, but President Trump was great. And so it's like, yeah, why? Like that is so good.

“Dr. Leslie, do you have a psychological evaluation of the victim mentality?”

Is it like you just really want to believe so bad? No, I mean, there could be this cult like mentality or genuine blackmail, but the two things that pop into my head are one, Pam Bondi's admiration towards Trump when she was being when she was in front of the house. And then two of the moment Clinton saw the images of him in the spa.

Both of those kind of looks of admiration were very similar. And so it's like they're fan-girling over things. And they're manipulated, I think. But maybe they have this promise. Like if you see this through with me,

I'm going to give you like $100 million.

I mean, there's so much that they could gain from seeing this through. How are the victims responding now? I've seen them on Capitol Hill a couple times. Rokana has obviously been leading a lot of meetings with them in the house. Oversight committee, have you guys got to talk to anyone to see like,

“do they feel like it's working or is it just like still just trying?”

Like no accountability so far, really? Yeah, I think it's like there's like spurts of hope. And whoa, like Prince Andrew, Peter Mandelsen, we just find out that they were hiding Jane Doe for, you know, all like there's like moments where they see Leon Black exposed.

And they're excited about that. But then they're kind of brought back to life remembering that we've only seen like 3% of the files.

And we never see the rest of them.

So it's kind of like, it's better than what they've had before, which is absolutely nothing for decades. But it's, you know, obviously the Warren Iran has really put this

Which is also an Epstein's idea, apparently. Everything comes down to Epstein, like we said, he may have died, which I like to play conspiracies with if he killed him. He's a black guy, he actually dead. Is he Palm Beach Pete?

Do you guys know about Palm Beach Pete? He's no, no, but Palm Beach. Yes, he is really working this right now. I'm going to pull up a picture of him. Somebody please explain Palm Beach Pete to the chat.

Well, I pull this up. It's insane. It's like someone pressed that you're producing this right now

and literally pulling it up like you've never used this.

The ADHD is working with me. I love it. But Palm Beach Pete is just a guy who is running around in his convertible, who looks just like Epstein, but he's like blowing up on his own TikTok. He's making his money off this.

And right, explicitly saying he's not Epstein, but he laughs and he smurks, he's charismatic and flirty. Why is he doing this? Who wants to be like mistaken for, here he is. I'm going to put him up here.

“What is you ever want to be a mistaken for Jeffrey Epstein?”

It's the sickest weirdest thing. Here's Palm Beach Pete. I wonder if when Epstein lived in Palm Beach, they also got mistaken for each other. We're the guy. We're the guy. This is not the happiest house in Palm Beach in that.

How old would Epstein be now? We're old.

I think he'd be like, that's it.

I don't know. I actually don't know. He was definitely like, he's definitely a blessing. He's like, late 60s. 70s something. Yeah. 70s rain. He would be 70s.

Yeah. So yeah. But we have to say how old is Epstein now? Because he's still alive. You know, I mean, that's what I feel.

He was, and I, yeah, we'll get into my conspiracy after this. He was interviewed on a Jimmy Kimmel last night. Palm Beach Pete was on Kimmel last night. Tera knows how I feel about Jimmy Kimmel's police. The F scene.

I had the same feelings about Jimmy Kimmel because he was a real asshole. After we worked on that story about his best day, APL, Adam Perry lying. The celebrity chef, who worked on her. Yeah, who lives in Jimmy Kimmel's pool house for a period of time. And now Kimmel's having on Palm Beach Pete.

Like, I just don't like that. You're giving me the Ick Kimmel. You're giving me the Ick at least with what you're doing. I don't want to like make like Epstein into a joke or nothing burger to save his friend. Honestly.

You think so. Yeah, because the more people know that like he was friends with a guy who worked for Jeffrey Epstein for so long. When it's all over the flight logs, APL, APL, APL. Yeah.

The worst it makes him look. So he's got him like he has to turn this into a joke. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Right.

He was another curatorial, but I do think that there's something there. Every time I'm in a room where we are talking about Epstein and other men around, it is the only time that men are quiet. They like wait for it to be over. It's something I've noticed either like even when I try to bring it up.

Every time I'm on CNN, we're talking about Epstein. I'm just going to bring it up a little bit at least if I can. And every time like every man just sort of sits there and waits for it to be over. Like they don't say anything bad. They don't agree.

They just wait for it to be over because it's like this Epstein Expose A has really exposed a lot of the bad behavior that many men have in obviously a lesser capacity, but they're uncomfortable with it. They want it to go away. Even if they're not connected to Epstein, they want it to go away.

I have to tell you, I went on Billy Busch's podcast, Top Mike's New Year's Uncle was our president. And I straight up called him a misogynist. I went at it. He won't hear it. He won't hear it.

He won't hear it. Yeah, they're weanies. He was like, well, we're like, I was a man.

“They wanted to talk about Epstein and I was like, sure, why aren't the files out?”

Because a misogynistic fuckers like you. Oh, you don't want to hear that? Okay. So you're just proving me right. You know what?

You know what, like, really bothers me as I feel like everyone is like, so when are you going to move on from Epstein or like, what else are you going to do after Epstein? And it's like, after Epstein, like, we haven't even hit the surface yet. I'm just going to add to Epstein. Yeah. And did anyone ever say to Bob Woodward, when are you going to move on from Watergate?

I mean, honestly, I could argue that this is maybe a bigger story than that. If not, I think it is. It is. It is much bigger story. But no one ever said to Bob Woodward or Carl Bernstein, when are you going to move on from Watergate?

Right. Good points, Sarah. Good point. It's only men.

I've never heard a woman say that to me before.

No. Whenever I meet women, they're like, tell me everything.

“Whenever I meet men, they're just like, so when are you going to move on from it?”

It's like, why? I don't think I should move on to like, there's actually some, until we actually know the full story.

It's holding on to that we haven't seen.

You've only seen 300 gigabytes? And also the Rothschild, like the banking system, the entire infrastructure of America is linked to things that have been literally emailed about in these files. You can't let go because we are standing up above all of it. It's holding us up here.

We have to figure out how to break it down and then put different people in power who have ethics and morals. Yeah, or at least you're too young to have been involved in this one. Amanda, as a historian, do you think that there has ever been a scandal in American history and exposier is deep and corrupt and widespread as Epstein?

No. No. I mean, the Epstein is international for one. Most of America's biggest scandals are limited to our own internal screw ups, including Watergate.

For which Bob got a Pulitzer, by the way, not only was he not ever asked to let go of it,

he was so important. He got in Pulitzer's for Epstein or Emmys, or really very few prizes. I mean, Julie got a few prizes, but she didn't get a Pulitzer for it. Why is she? Because everybody puts it in the tabloid section.

Really? Right. Like, this kind of crime specifically, we have a terrible history.

“I mean, I think back to like, I can't remember his name, but there was a Senator during”

the Civil War when the South, when the Southern State started to succeed, one of the means a Session of Senators from South Carolina was a known pedophile. He had raped four of his nieces, and he had experienced complete political oblivion after that. He was very, very punished by society.

But since he was such an effective Sessionist, once the South started to succeed,

they put him back in the Senate to look to like speak for South Carolina as we let up to that

crisis. So men will let other men get away with this sort of thing in American history if it becomes politically expedient to them personally. Wasn't the Republican speaker of the House for the longest time, like a no-in-sex criminal? Not in the, not in Congress.

I think he was a state-level speaker in Iowa. But yes, yes, the longest state legislature speaker in the Republican party was a lifelong yeah. That's fine. Yeah.

A awful, awful person has hurt. That's who it was. Yes. Dennis has hurt. I don't know why everyone's cool with it.

I don't, I don't get it. It's just like, it's like sex crimes don't matter because they, and then the 302s, their

“gossip, nobody says, oh, well, actually you have to, you know, when you testify, you”

purge yourself. That is a crime. And Martha Stewart, too, it's the file that a victim, when they call the FBI, and they call into the FBI and they testify, you know, they give a deposition, that's a 302. Which brings me back to Jane Doe 4.

I mean, we still don't know if the Epstein estate has settled with her, because in that case, she alleges that President Trump shoved her head down and tried to get her to give him a moral sex. This was the sheep bit him, right? Yeah.

Yeah. And I punched her in the face, right? Yeah. We just called her. Why, why is it that I think they need to bring Darren in, like, back, that's Epstein's

executive of his estate, and they need to get him under oath, and he needs to answer clearly. Did you settle with this victim in, who has alleged crimes against President Trump? Did you settle? Period.

Period. That's a wide thing. Right.

“I think because Pamela Joe has, like, dream eyes for Trump or so, what happened”

to her? Do we know why she is the way she is? It doesn't mean that she's like this? Yeah. I have a list of it.

It's my reasons. Okay. It's my reason. Do. She really is, I mean, so I lived in Tampa, in, like, 2012 when she was sort of like, she was

like the attorney general or something, and she was like, if people liked her overall, socially, she did pretty well, she was like, okay, but like, I'm like, girl, what happened to you? And why do you still look so young? Like, not in a, oh, you had a lot of work, but she, like, carries herself, like, a little

girl around him. It's very gross to me. Well, I think Trump needs to be around, like, meek women. Like, he's not going to be around. Yeah.

I'm going to tell him he's wrong. So he needs to have women who are, yes, women, or, and that's usually someone who

I need a LaRasa Pam.

Dr. Lassar, you know, you're 18. You're 18. You're 18 reasons. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Let's see. I have, I have an

Excel spreadsheet. Oh, my god. Of course, you do. That's kind of pattyness that this show will be known for. Okay. I need to go in with your documents. Here we go. Okay. Let's see. So all, we've, all these claims against her and all these ties. So she's from Tampa. I mean, of course, she's from Florida, right? Yeah. So, you know, you got to look up her bio because you see a lot of ties. She hung out in the same place as, as all of them, right? So maybe there,

maybe she was trafficked herself in a sense or groomed in a sense, right? She was admitted

“to the bar in 1991 in good standing. I think what we need to see now is that it's currently”

in good standing. We need to get her license taken, right? So people have been making

reports to the bar. Okay. Keep doing it, guys. Keep reporting to the bar. They will listen.

She's light under oath. So now we can use that. Let's see. Yeah. She had the Florida AG office where I can't remember. Things were tied to Epstein during that. She wasn't invicting people during that time when she should have. Mm-hmm. I see. I have a specific timeline to Scientology, also, which makes sense, because that's a lot of clear water. She and a cult. Is she, do we know her religious affiliation? I don't think that's on my list,

sure. That's a big one. No. Scientology would be. Hi, Scott. Yeah, she, um, she didn't open anything against Epstein from 2011 to 2019. Oh, yeah. That was like prime activity, prime claims against him. She didn't open any cases. Do we know what she's doing? He's exactly

“related to non-prosecution signed against him in the state and non-prosecution agreement.”

I'm not covering for her, but I'm just saying. Interesting. Okay. Yeah, because that member that was a sweetheart deal, and he wouldn't be right. That's sweet heart to you. Yeah. Also, been friends with, uh, Dershoids forever. Really? Yeah. That's, and that's in the files, too. And they're actually friends with Dershoids. I don't even be. Could you imagine, and then the age difference, right? That's a little fishy. Dershoids and

Piano Bondi, that's a murder. She and Nancy Mace can't keep a man. So I, maybe they hate women or I, there's like something deeply broken with their relationship with other women. By Amazon, we come to work. And I had a four thousand five hundred euros for chief information. I have a logistics center on the phone and I can't know who I am. So I'm in the robot. So that's my job. A career. Amazon

Infinite Turen, with best of four thousand five hundred euros per year for Berufliche Weiterbildung. Skalten die Teilnahme beddingungen. Um, oh, and yes, the Dershoids, of course, represented Trump during the first impeachment, but what about Pam Bondi and Kataris, where she was getting 115,000 a month? The Kataris, we're buying every penny and still are. And yet here they are reporting the out the 20% of their

LNG from this war on Iran after spending $260 million in. She was a lot of

it's for them. Yeah, for Kataris. Yeah, I mean, that's to everybody's on the Katar payroll, unfortunately in Washington. They will be throwing a what party at the four seasons for White House correspondent center. You're not going. Are they this year? Oh, I did last year. It's like anything. I just can't, I just can't. And I also be a amount of influencers that go to Dubai and are like everywhere else sucks.

It doesn't matter what country they're from. Could be UK, Canada, America, Mexico, they all go there. They're like everything sucks. This is actually the greatest place on earth. And then try to pretend that they're like super leftist while I'm like your entire economy and all the comforts you're feeling are propped up by actual enslaved people like gent like not even an exaggeration genuine took the

passport slave labor enslaved people are popping up this economy. But after they bombed the fair, fair amount hotel, all of a sudden they were really scared. They wanted all their countries to come and grab them again. And they're like, Oh, my God, I need the prime minister of UK on the phone right now to send me a private jet to get me out of Dubai. Like. And leaving their dogs wrapped up on through the

dogs. Yeah, it's like the sad it to me that really upset me. They left their dogs

“and like the worst way just like wrapped up on poles. Death. Death. I would go there”

to rescue all their dogs. We're serious. Yes. That's what didn't happen.

their own life. I want to start a go. Go find me. I'll go to Dubai. Action kind of

afraid to go right now. Yeah, you went one time. Did you want to bring you out for the dog? COP 28. They tried to get me to go. I was like, No, I cannot be doing this.

“But they let you back in. Oh, all right. So I think this point me and Tara”

screwed. They're like, get those. I've seen Gurley's out of here. They'd be talking too much. They'd be reading too much. Can't be having this. We should be checking like every day to see if our passports are working. We just stopped on my travel. Tara's going to Italy for me because I'm so scared. Get your friend who sent you to Italy for that. Thank you for that. I'm really looking forward to that shirt. I know.

I was like, you afraid to fly right now. And like, I can't be out of the country. I just need to be doing these lives every day. Will you please go to Italy fully paid for me for four days? And you're being really good. Why? Okay. I am. We have a good week. I have to be here in Rochester. I just drove to Indiana because I'm not messing with the airlines right now. Picking the right medical coverage is stressful. So if you or

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great way to find a plan that fits your needs. So for free and on bias Medicare help dial 3 0 5 5 1 5 5 2 3 7 to speak with my trusted partner, chapter or go to askchapter dot org slash. I'm not trying to be a problem where there are already our problems. You know, you're not going to find your answer. I saw your dance. Yeah. I drove seven hours to and from Indiana for my gig at Purdue in Fort Wayne and got to say

like, I've never been to Fort Wayne in my life. Those people are good people out there.

I had a great time. The audience was incredible. Everybody was like, so eager to learn and interesting. And like, their students gave me great questions. And we had a lot of fun. And then I drove back. And now we're like, boom, done. No more travel at all. I just want to be involved, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I get it. And also TSA. Do you want to hang out with them in the airport? I mean, sorry. I said, I want to say, I want to like, every

time I see them come to work. I'm like, I know. God bless you for coming to work without getting paid. Well, Trump, you know, he's thinking about sending in the national guard to the airports now. Great. You know, for race money. Are they going to like, frisk us or something? I don't know. No. No, it was because of landry in Louisiana asked to do it. Yeah. Well, it's Linda from Arizona that had the idea to put ice at the airports.

You know, about this. We've talked about this a couple of days now. If it never gets old

to me, Linda from Arizona called into a conservative podcast called, like, the Carl Trucker in somebody else, lucky loser podcast and then Carl, one of the podcast and she was

“like, hi, this is Linda from Arizona. What I think Donald Trump should do is send in ice to”

act as the TSA agents and this conservative podcast. There's really like, yeah, man, that's a great idea. And then one of them went on Hannity that night that Friday night. And was like, you know, what we heard on the show today, we should send ice in to the Saturday morning. Donald Trump wakes up and is like, I have had a dream like Joseph and the Bible. We are going to put ice in the airports. And they're like, who came up with this idea? There's no plan. They have no

SOP. There's no training for them. They had no idea who they were going to send what they were going to do. He was like, yeah, no, it's my idea. And he was like, who's ideas at mine? It was entirely mine. It was totally my idea. And when he says stuff like that, I'm like, it wasn't your idea. It was on Fox News. So Linda from Arizona, thanks for your great feedback. I was saying, yesterday, I'm going to start attending. Hold this up in the front of the camera. Yes, the much more

dangerous case of Donald Trump correct. Everybody read this. Curved of calling into podcasts with ideas. Yeah. I was like, I've been watching the great on Hulu because I had to get Hulu to watch love story, obviously. And I was like, you know, I'm, I just will use this monthly membership that I'll probably cancel. Sorry, Hulu, it's their sponsor. But the great is about half of them, the great and like the dysfunction of the rushing

core. And it, like, every part of it just reminds me of what we're going through right now. And it's just like, I actually recommend everyone watch it. It just, I'm like, and there was a cool involved. I mean, Natalie watched that and found it very interesting. I haven't watched

I can't be bothered. I have to wait until New York, 12 election is over. And our big

universe removed from office. And then maybe I could like find some romance for the Kennedy family.

“Why are you sick of them? I'm curious. I just, I'm sick of political dynasty families, honestly,”

and like I understand that there are neppo babies that can't do anything else. But like, I think as far as political neppo babies go, Chelsea Clinton does a pretty good job of managing herself. And I have great respect for her. Like, she did go get educated and did her own thing. And like, sure, she does Clinton global initiative and different stuff. But she is not annoying. And she does not like, do you know who my father is? Anymore, like, so I, I don't know. I don't know why.

I mean, I don't know a lot of the restaurants. So I feel like I know her well. But I can't with the Kennedy's right now because Camelot was a lie, right? And this idea of like what Camelot left behind is a little bit of how we got Trump in some ways. This idea that there are families in America that are most American or more American or should be given greater difference because of XYZ thing. And I'm like sick of it. And I just, I don't think Jack is a serious candidate. And I like,

probably going to get killed for this or saying this online. I thought Jack was really fun when he was the DNC correspondent for Vogue. I thought that was a great job for him. He was, he was so funny. And like, that's the levity I would want from like a Kennedy right now. I don't know that he needs to do this to reclaim his family name. I'm like, no, if you run for office,

“you should be doing it to represent those constituents needs. And I'm not sure that people get that,”

you know. Please, like, do a lot of wine have been diagram of people who should not be running for Congress. Like, neto babies and influencers, you know, you don't have to, you don't have to, do a separate job. Yeah. Stop. Do you have influencers running? I haven't even seen anything on us. There's a couple. There's well, Spencer Pratt is running. Somebody in your eyes. I don't know. I think the Obama's children are pretty awesome. And you know,

it's so funny. They're so awesome. They don't even occur to me as political people need children, because they mind their own business. So well, those kids, they're all just kids are cool. Yeah, Christine was pushing around. I am fine. Stein for quite a while. No, that's true. Christine wanted to run her. She wanted to run. Yeah. I didn't hear that. I was three of all of a sudden. Yeah. So, what about George Conway? Do you like him? I'm interviewing him

“tomorrow. So I'm curious to hear what you think. I think it'd be so good on the stand, like in”

house oversight, like grilling someone. He's such a good lawyer. He's a great lawyer. I'm not, you know, how I feel about the flippers. Like, I think he were way too involved with the Republican Party for so long that this feels a little microcoiny to me, a little opportunistic move over here because I got cut out over there. And I don't know that it is. And I think George Conway certainly less damaging the microcoin is. And I like Claudia Conway. I think Claudia's

really smart and funny. And I like her attitude. Yeah. And Kelly N. Conway and my mom had a really good conversation at the White House one time for several hours for reasons that I will not get into today. But, you know, I will. It's fine. You're the same Patrick's Day. And I got to take

my parents to the White House in terms first term when breaking a shadow was the social secretary.

And I had no idea. I had a friend and she's our friend. Yes, our friend. And at that point, he had been, you know, president for like two months. And there was like nothing. I didn't think anything of it. I was like, well, my dad wants to see the White House. And this will be like a good opportunity. And we went. And I also cornered Betsy Devos at this event to try and ask her to not cut my food program for kids. The blessings in a backpack that she was trying to cut and

Michigan. And then she didn't cut it. So I think that that worked out for me. So I'm a great lobbyist. I'm a great lobbyist. I'm the greatest unpaid lobbyist on all of the hills because I like genuinely care about this shit. And then I'll like find a way to make you care about it, too. But yeah, maybe in my next life. I'll make money. I don't know. You could work for Cutter. Oh, I bet they would know. I have too much rage for that. I've like, I can't. I can't.

And I can use new PR right now. Do it. I'm a gay. I can't. I can't. Maybe you can't. I just can't. Yeah, I got Betsy Devos. I know I went up to Betsy Devos with the White House St. Patrick

say thing. And I swear to God, you've never seen anybody so scared to see me coming. And this is before

I was just working in food. And I was like, look, I'm not this isn't a trick. You're not getting pumped. I'm not from like MTV news. I have a genuine question. I'm also just a guest here. Like I just want to just tell you about this program that I run for kids in Michigan in Detroit. And I really and it's possible that you might be considering cutting this is part of like department of education stuff or not allowing it. And I just wish that you wouldn't. And she was like, okay. And then we

took a picture. So I had evidence that we met. What did she mean? I think you have to break down

brother on Amway. That's damn my family. Yeah. Yeah. So is any weird when like department of education

Trump's like dismantle it. And then B.O.A. Boris from America. He tells Carrie Lake, dismantle it. Then you have no job. Oh, that's Linda McMahon. Who's at the Department of Education. And now these women are like, I don't know any influence. Isn't it weird that Trump gave the women the jobs of destroying their departments and giving them zero power by this women? He's got to keep your shields. I know people are saying there's too many Republicans, former Republicans on MS now.

They want to know what we think about kids. I mean, I don't know. I don't think we're seen in that weird. Yeah. I don't think about them really. I don't like considered like as a person.

Okay. Well, I don't know what a spirit there is. Yeah. But he's a cool. He's a chill guy.

We'll take it. One of the last kind of normal. He was like the last boat off out of Saigon. You know, or the last chopper out of Saigon. The last remote understanding from a bygone era of conservative politics. And I appreciate his vocalist about it. I don't know that I don't vacation run for anything again. But I appreciate what he's experienced. So that he was actually in

“the military. I mean, I think we need people who actually, maybe people who actually worked for the”

government before or our lawyers. But it's good. They're like, maybe they won't send us to war. They actually. Yeah. But then again, you see, he had that. And he's like, one, he's a disgraced, a disgraced major who was in the National Guard, which I have great respect for. I don't think against the National Guard. But he was a disgraced major who kept volunteering to try and go to war. And they wouldn't let him because he didn't pass like the

psych. And now he's in charge of everything. So yeah. Oh, the guy who has the psych. That's great. I would love his sake. And also, does anyone have it? I thought we could find it. We need his DD-214. Folks want to know why why some people say it's cutter and other people say Qatar. It's Qatar. It's actually Qatar. I say wrong. It's Qatar. It's Iran. Not Iran. We all say Iran, I'll say. But but it, but it, but it, they say Iraq. That was Iraq. Iraq. Iraq.

Iraq. Iraq. You were the worst. Just the worst. Don't you send Iraq? No, he said Iraq. Iraq. Iraq. Oh, people want to know why I don't like Gavin Newsom. Well, I don't like to start there. But you first knew you go ahead. Hey, this is my state. This is my state, guys. Okay, wait. Dr. Leslie first.

Are you happy now? I will never leave California. But I genuinely, and I know Tara will,

we might disagree. But I like, I genuinely think Erick's wall wall should be in California. And I know. I know. I know. And I just can talk about this holding your face. Well, okay.

“The problem with Newsom, the problem with Newsom, I think, is that he is going to make people”

more maga if he runs. Like they're just going to be like, oh, I was, I was kind of in the middle. But fuck this, I'm going now. And that, that scares me because he's so charismatic and charming and is so anti-mag. But I don't think that it's like charming to South Carolina. That's the thing. I don't think Newsom translates into like why overstate appeal. I don't think he is. I don't think he's Iowa charming. I think he's East Coastal elite charming.

He's kind of like, you just car salesman who's going to have your wife. Oh, wait. He did that. He was a friend, you know. And then also, just like, I thought I was a Republican. I'd be like, "Kace study, Florida." I'm sorry, "Kace study California." Go. What have you done? What has to go in? We're going to have. We're going to get changed.

“Yeah, whatever happened to the drain, whatever happened to the drain. What does that happen?”

Lucy's train to LA did not happen. I think now, you could have just walked, but I'm not sure. Like, I love California. It is the most beautiful place on an America. It is gorgeous. The vistas, the mount ends. There's nowhere more beautiful. But it is so dysfunctional. Yeah, I mean, it was a $125 fill up my tank, my V6 tank. Like, I hate to say it, but the sand. This is like actually better at running a state. That is hard to say.

Oh, my God, Miss Miami. All of a sudden, loving Florida. Yeah, we can't hear you. Some of you, the president, because, like, worrying says, he's already got a nickname from Trump. So it'll give magas something to rally against. It's their common enemy. It's their favorite adversary. Like, he's, okay. It is the president. Trump said he was the president.

I think that. I don't know the kids.

Clivicular said that J.D. Vance is subhuman and Gavin Newsom mocks. So I don't know if we're going to have

“to try and get the Gen Z mail vote. It might have to be new some. I think that a Westmore John”

Osof ticket would slap so hard. That's my fantasy ticket. West doesn't want to. Yeah, they need it. I know he doesn't want to, which is why he should be the leader. He's the best. You know what, the Democrats need a good Southern Democrat. It's Bashir. Bashir, it's Bashir. I don't, I don't, I don't know his background well enough. Look up. Yeah. Boosting governor of a red state. He's very progressive in a sneaky way.

I like everyone. I'm skeptical both sides always. I can't like, well, you're a journalist. You're supposed to. I know. I'm just like, you're in a, but it's too early right now. I'd like to see like a dark horse, like a nobama who you didn't come in. You know, just come out of nowhere. Some really, isn't it? Isn't Trump planning a coup? So like, we won't even get to this. It's like not going to need to talk about this. No, he's not. That's something that Steve

Bannon made up to troll us and sell hats. That's not so much. Yeah. Are we going to get to November? I'm a little concerned there. Bannon definitely planning a coup for sure because he's bored.

And he always doing more. Yeah. Yeah. He's definitely fun the first time. He's scared. I think he's scared.

Yeah. Definitely. So he's definitely planning a coup. But I have a friend of mine. Um, does polling at like the highest levels. I can't say who because these are private polls. And he found that the number one Democrat right now is Mark Cuban. Oh, who our parents are best. And the crowd just stops in their tracks. They're like a secret. Both were president. So this is how at the level he pulled out.

And yeah, Mark Cuban. How do you feel? Like another hall another celebrity? I'll do everything in my influence to not to make that not happen. Yeah. I really mean it. Yeah.

I can't look at what's happening after two terms of someone with no governing experience. Right. Absolutely not.

We need like a boring regular person back. You know what I need? He's going to pay that like pay America. Can you pay us if he does that? He does pay his taxes, which is good. I interviewed him about that. And he like

“he's like, I pay taxes on the floor. The bar is on the floor. That's what I mean. Every time that is”

every time the government shuts down, keeping you coming and like pay TSA and, you know, pay for food stamps. Well, they all fucking do that. Anyone, let's have you on then. Let's let's, oh gosh. No, okay, Mark Cuban is president made us all like genuinely stop. You would have thought the screen froze, but I get it. He is, he is sort of like then a democratic serrigate for so long and he does have kind of like a few money where he doesn't care. His ego is not based on like abilities. So like, Mark Cuban is a

construct, I understand, but it's like why not JB Pritzker than if you just want to build an area, he's got governing experience. And he's on the Zemp now. At least it looks to me like he might be on a little low centback, which I wish he wasn't, because I liked him when he was just being his self. But he's like getting so skinny now because he's obviously been bailing up. It's because Cuban has podcast brow appeal that like actual politicians, but you look at like Thomas Massey, like he's kind of

gotten hot. And as he's, it's gotten more fame with this. And not, I mean, that's a low bar for hot. He maybe he's got day friends now. He's doing his hair. He's doing his hair. He and we give you a little, little nice haircut, a little nice too, little something. Well, five o'clock shadow, you've seen a Pambandi's extensions in her highlights. The gaze are not for her. Okay, she can't get her hair done anywhere. It's awful. The flip. Yeah. I like to be preaching. He also doesn't change his

taxes though. He wants, like, to live. Yeah, I think he took toilets out of one of his houses,

“not pay taxes on it. Can you do that? Yeah, you can. You should google it.”

Boy, like, oh, it's gross. Like, it's nice to ink private flights to the Middle East, so that they don't have to pay taxes, so they could meet the residency requirements. Like, we heard about this. No, oh, we're seeing a lot of private jets going in, but not a lot of people coming out because people have already left if they're going to leave, but they're going in with like a person who needs to like geofence spend a certain amount of time in the Middle East to

governments are trying to figure out like if they could ban private jet travel to the Middle East,

“because they want their like, no, this is like incredibly dangerous. Is it just the Middle East?”

It was, it was a thing that Max Foster reported on a couple of weeks ago. They were tracking PJs to ME. I was like, oh, Christ, what the hell is this? Because I mean, I could just go back to power. Yeah. Well, I think maybe they're registered in Saudi Arabia, registered in Dubai, or something. They have to send a spend a certain amount of time in that area for it to like count for whatever they got. But hey, they're billionaires for a reason. They know how to work it.

Well, I guess they're willing to like a bomb. They always blame their accountants for these, um,

you know, because the kind of fact money, they say the countants make money off of the money. They save you apparently at that level, allegedly. But so I'm going to know, I just pay a flat fee. Then the accountants are all right. 30% of everything I make goes to taxes if not more. I mean, it's like, yeah, I was like, when do I make enough money to not pay taxes anymore? My wife was like, literally never. And I need receipts for everything. So let's stop. Let's stop with that. That's

not a real thing. I'm like, well, but you could write off everything because you're an influencer,

“you know? Well, we can and we can. I think that there's a lot of like, there's a lot of, um,”

fishiness that some folks will do that I won't because I am actually genuinely afraid of prison, and I just don't want to. And then I like will like drive around our neighborhood and be like, oh, look, leaf pickup is here taxes at work or like the school's got like a new bus or something

I'm like taxes at work. I'm always trying to like convince myself that like it's totally worth it.

But pay in the federal taxes this year, man did that hurt because you just know it's going to like ice and war and Trump's war profiteering and is weird billionaire contracts and that burns. I think that really burns. Yeah, I haven't paid yet. I haven't decided. You might just like be a contentious objecter to the tax. Oh, it's amazing. How is this is this is there a precedent for this in history for Americans not paying taxes to the authoritarian regime? No. No, I mean, we didn't

have an income tax until the very, you know, the early 20th or the early 20th century. So I suppose in that way and all of Garks before that during the Golden Age went out of the way to make sure that that didn't happen. We were mostly taxed via Terrif before there was a constitutional amendment to allow a federal income tax. But there has not been like mass amounts of people like as a

protest, that's never happened because IRS has guns. They will come to you. The IRS does have guns.

I have their own police address. And that is what the Trump can say. Guilded Age, the Guilded Age, the oligarchs and the Terrif. Those are his favorite things. It's like he's got not one original thought. He's like some sort of reincarnated robber barren from like the 1870s. He said like that's a good thing. The Guilded Age was awful. The Guilded Age was fucking awful. I mean, but have you ever like, you know, been at the end of life with someone who has dementia? No. And like they think about

things in the past like they are good and rose colored and they really like to go into this

“nostalgia stage before their life is over. So maybe it's like maybe it's a good sign.”

My great-grandfather, he went into, he kept calling me a nice Austrian woman the whole time and telling me about the battle of the bulge and d-day. That's a mission. I would be okay. I had this, my uncle Hughie, who's my mom's uncle lived with us and he was like, this is going to sound terrible. He was like a pet to us when we were kids because he, we had to like, you know, like my sister, especially was very good with Uncle Hughie. I was a little bit

older so I was less of uncle Hughie. He really didn't understand. So my mom just like took down all the mirrors so he wouldn't know that he was old. She was like, whatever, we're going to live in his world when he's here because he's only awake a certain amount of hours during the day. It was like, real fun. I was a theater kid. I was like, this is outstanding. When you're Halloween, my friend came over and he was dressed like Mary Catherine Gallagher, but he was very happy and

she was very hairy. He looked like a boy, but he was wearing, you know, this Mary Catherine Gallagher Catholic School of it. My sister went to Catholic School. So I'm a Hughie new. There was Catholic School going on and we were like, didn't want to confuse them. So I was like, oh, this is my friend Mary to Michael Hughie and my mom's like, we're okay. But now we have to stick with it and then she leaves. She leaves and he's like, it's so nice to be friends with such a homely girl. I mean, that was really

sweet of you to be. I mean, you got to love old people. Old people can be a blast. And if they

he was young. He played soccer with us outside. He'd like, I don't know, he got to be 25 forever,

I guess. We're not really enough. We can't have Uncle Hughie running the, running the country.

“No, Uncle Hughie should not be running the country. Definitely should. I think I had that last time,”

though, um, it was a little bit of that. Exactly. At the end of the, come on. 20 years. But, but the men, both for the past, what? Eight years? Where is this amendment? We actually talked about it earlier. And Amanda says the amendment won't help us. It's in peach event that you're going for. Yeah, the article has been submitted, right? Oh, no, you can't bondy. People want us to get back on track. What does the future look like? And did we

talk enough about the Epstein files? Did we, do we have anything else about the Epstein files

other than that the Jane dough number four? Um, that testimony is like, come out that evidence has been found and we're going to try to figure out if settlement was paid to her because it connects to Donald Trump in this allegation of sexual assault. Anything else going on? And he said under oath, the settlement was paid to her and then backtracked. So. Okay. We, we need that. We need him back.

“That's why I say column back. I think it's crazy that also they claimed that they had no clue”

about his crimes. Um, and yet we're paying all these settlements and they were like, "Well, can you just like need settlements?" You know what I mean? They're just like, this is what happens when you're rich. You got to pay settlements all the time. You didn't know what the crimes were. I mean, there were a few things that popped out to me about the, because we just got the, um, the transcripts. It's, I don't believe them when they said that they

didn't know what he was doing. Um, I want to make sure this is right, but I believe they paid this settlement to her. He said the claims were settled 2009 to 2010, not after Epstein's death. And that is a, that is pretty, that's a big deal to know that. Because, you know, a lot of people say, "Well, can we really trust people that called into the FBI after President Trump was, um, you know, in office and, and test the fact that he had, that they, that there were some sort of

crime and connection to Epstein while he was president, it might be political. And I thought about that, too. But if you settled a claim before that, or he was president 2009 to that, in Dory Map period,

“I think it's hard to argue that it was political. Um, folks want to know if, uh, the UK”

Great Britain is getting unredacted files. That would really change things. Well, I just read in Politico that, um, that they're working with the DOJ right now to try to get more information on Andrew Mountbatten, Windsor, and former Ambassador to the UK, Peter Mandelsen. They're on it. I'm sure when they try to work with our DOJ, they're going to be like, wait, what? But don't we have international transparency laws? I mean, we're going to break the law again.

And then we, we can behold held accountable internationally. I don't know about that. I mean, like, we are allies with them. We do have like the four eyes or five eyes, um, you know, television sharing, but they might claim its national security, like they have with so many

other, the files 2.5 million of the files. I think he's going to extradite Colleen. I think that'll

be our next thing is that there'll be some kind of way where he's like, we're getting all the criminals out of our prisons. So we're going to send Colleen Maxwell back home to the UK and that'll be like his way of like pseudo-partiting her for staying quiet. Oh, God. God. But with that, I think he then like actually rejecting her when she lands on the tarmac. I mean, you think? Yeah, what do you want to do right now? Yeah, I mean, you don't have to have the prison her.

Well, I wonder if it is real. You have her communication. Well, yeah, you can give a commutation. I don't, I don't want to say that loud because he could be watching. He gets all his ideas from podcasts, but it would be commutation, right? And then essentially taking away her American passport or citizenship and deporting her back to her home country of origin or something. I don't know, Senator El Salvador isn't that kind of stupid. I think she's an American, though.

Can you, is she fully American? I mean, because you were sorting, you can, but she got citizenship from American. Okay, so naturalized Americans who, I don't think they can do that. Boo. That can't, she, I think. If she got her citizenship fraudulently, they can do naturalizer. Oh, well. Oh, yeah, because if you lie on your citizenship and that means if you've been charged with sexual abuse. Oh, wait, there's a story in the Guardian about this.

Glenn Maxwell offers to announce foreign citizenship in exchange for bail.

Mit wiso steuern. Girl, you're never getting out of prison. Also, I'm not talking to you.

It's in prison. I saw that video. That was not the same notice. I have a lot of conspiracy.

“Dr. Leslie, did you have something to add to that thing we were talking about a second ago?”

You pay the UK files. The UK asking for the files. Why are we supporting the people who redacted the files? I mean, when are we, where are we looking at the people who actually had eyes on before, you know, originally they had the files with the black boxes and they fucked it up and we could take the black boxes off and then they got a little better with their PDF skills. But how there's like 500 people involved with that, where are we asking them what

they read and saw and covered up? And then we're all the videos. We're in this stuff videos that Pam Bondi was talking about it on a hot mic. Right. Those aren't redacted.

The UK could grab those. We only have 30 percent. Yeah, but we're in the 90, whatever

percent that we haven't seen. So the UK could get a lot, potentially, if they played this right. People are saying more in Comi knows so much. Yeah, we're she been. They got rid of her. They got rid of her. She's her. She's her. I mean, look at what they do. I think she's her dying lately. So she might not be trying freaks me out. The Charlie Kirk mentor founder of modern cheerleading dying at a pickleball incident was just like two absurd for me this

week. The founder of Oli fans died. There's a lot of weird death guys. I got some intel on that actually. So he was trying to sell Oli fans because yeah, AI apparently guys don't care if it's real or not as we saw from AI mega lady that everyone was like hot for Jessica Foster. Yeah, no, she's not real. No, she's not, but her name is Officer Jessica Foster. I just had it my propaganda

presentation last night. So now they're like, they basically think like we're a woman. They're

not compelled to do only fans anymore because now these AI women are so real and you can make them do whatever weird thing you want for free or well for free. An AI, I guess, but it's very important wasn't dehumanizing enough. Now it's really just straight violence. Yep, that's where we're going. You want muslim thing? You could buy it. I know. I'm in the cheerlead. I don't believe it either. Yeah, this guy, so this guy who was the father of cheerleading, UCA cheerleading and varsity sport

is an image. It's like ever since they started adding more gymnastics to cheerleading in these competition shorter skirts, tighter outfits, the midrifts, tops, all that kind of business. In 1999, as I recall when my cheerleading uniform changed, I was, but I was like captain and when I was younger,

“so I got, I would always like make us wear the warm-ups instead of the skirt. That's how my”

mom should have known I was gay. Every time I got to pick the uniform, we're wearing the windbreakers that just we are not wearing these skirts and these midrift outfits. Okay, it's not happening. But anyway, this guy is responsible for the sexualization and the adding gymnastics to cheerleading in the late '90s and he was apparently a mentor to Charlie Kirk, a very far-right wing supporter. You know, they do UCA special cheerleading camps and stuff. I'm sure that there'll be a documentary

on all of the soon know that this guy has died, but he slipped in fell playing pickleball and then died as a result of your injuries like bro. I need like 17% more information just on that line alone. How old was he? Who was his name? He was at that old. He was like maybe 65 or something. He was not old. Let's say. How good at pickleball was he? Jeff Webb was his name. Also, pickleball, you like don't really move at a very fast velocity. So I mean, I think how could you fall and die at 76. He was

77. Maybe he dove because it's such a tiny court. He doesn't look so bad at the kitchen. Stay the kitchen is the pickleball term. I think your clothes died in freak pickleball accident. I think it's freak. So I'm going with it. There are people around. If any more people around Charlie Kirk die, I'm going to start getting freaked out. And I'm like, but I'm very not an conspiracy person.

“But it's going to be one way. That's what I'm saying now. It's no longer a conspiracy. Like we”

can't, the conspiracy is our now true. We can lead it, need a new word for conspiracy because like if you see the forest for the trees, this is all really fucking weird. It's true. A lot of

Maybe he didn't bring in here. This is where I met salty. Yeah, like fallen out of window in

“Russia. Like Peter Teele's boyfriend who showed up to the New Year's Eve party wasn't show up to”

supposed to show up to because Peter Teele's husband was there. And then sooner be known to the boyfriend. He fell out of Miami window. Okay. I don't know. They say it was a suicide. I don't know was such to me. There's a lot of sorcery. There is a lot of sorcery going on. Everything around Peter Teele's sauce, especially because he's so high 100% of the time. Did you guys ever talk about Jeffrey Epstein's attempted suicide like three months before the the real one? No.

Yeah, did you know that like he, Tara, I don't know if you know the time frame but it was like a few months because you know he was like working out and but then like sleeping in. And there is doctorate. Yeah, there's documentation. I don't know where he found it. It might have been in the actual files when I was looking. But he tried to associate himself again and it didn't work and people arrived and they resuscitated him. This was in the jail you're saying or was this in the jail. And what

weren't jail for three months? No, but a few months prior to when he was in prison the second time.

“He claimed to sell me tried to kill him 18 days earlier before he died. So that's what it is.”

And then they don't come. And that's exactly why I don't think he killed himself if he was complaining that his cellmate was going to kill him. Well, I don't think he killed himself because the modern mortician said that the ligature marks on a person who hangs himself go up, not back. I'm having all the I don't sleep. I just read all this stuff in the new. The body had a process. The body had a prostate. Epstein's your rethrow was to one side. The body had small testes.

There's so many things that don't line up. No, it does say that there was a jail suicide attempt two weeks earlier. Something like that. But the camera's glitched again, guys. They don't have video footage of those moments again, and there's a blob. There's an orange blob. The blob tells a blob. Well, that's our show for today. Do you guys have any final thoughts

“before we get out of here? Or we leave people spiraling on the conspiracies. Call a friend,”

tell them what you learned on the show today, build some community. We need to like bring back the tin can phone, like the wall phone with a long word. Telling you, not wanting to talk about holding the phone and like twirling the cord. We've got to bring it back. Love it. I'm in the final thought. Please, go. Sarah, trying to keep you. I'm trying to, you know, live on on the ground. And you can follow the red letter

and the tower pulmonary show. You, uh, the parse through all this wildness. I know. And Dr. Leslie,

anything to add? Stop fucking children. Yeah, basically, and stop supporting people. Yeah,

we'll get into the dugers this Friday on our police officer crime show with Dava and the way history and 60 in Tendra and just the IBPL church and just sort of these situations that are going on. Also, no kings is this Saturday. Amanda won't be there because she is going to be out canvassing for a candidate, which as other folks in the chat said earlier is the most no kings thing you could do. If you get get out there Saturday, go to a no kings rally. It really is just like

good to look around and see people that still care. And yeah, it's good feeling. All right. Goodbye, friends. We'll be the lab again tomorrow's 10 30 or 10 to 11 30. And it's good news only. We have the comedian Dana Goldberg coming to tell us some jokes and try to lighten things up a little bit and also still talk about the headlines and probably my conspiracy theories. We'll see you later. Bye. Bye. That was another episode of the tower pulmonary show.

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