486 - Emergency Podcast: Iran, Israel, & Imminent Destruction

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We have two great reporters here that I'm really excited to have on. We have Ryan Grimm, who's returning from Dropsite News and Jeremy Skaehill, who's the author of "Dirty Wars," also a great documentary.

Jeremy, first to you, you've looked at a lot of different conflicts at the United States

has been involved in. What makes this unique as a challenge, forget the morality of being there, we're going to get to that in a moment. But do you think we're winning this war and if not, why not, and why didn't George W. Bush do this?

Why has no other president done this? I mean, this is a seemingly a unique set of challenges.

“I think generals told Trump that before we went in, yet he went in any way.”

In your estimation, why is this so incredibly difficult? Yeah, I mean, first of all, Tim, like you mentioned the Bush era, and I think one of the factors here that is kind of extraordinary is that Dick Cheney and the Bush team, they also were sort of lawless gangsters when it came to like respect for the constitution and basic civil liberties and congressional procedures regarding war.

But they look like sort of constitutional law scholars compared to what the Trump administration is doing on issues of war, powers, et cetera. And one factor here that I think really has to be emphasized is that the leadership of the Democratic Party, they completely sat on their hands in the whole build-up to this. Trump was telegrafing that it was going to happen.

They didn't have any kind of a public debate on it. The gang of eight gets briefed by Marco Rubio, all of these guys know that this thing is imminent and they delay a vote on the War Powers Act. Now, it wouldn't have passed anyway, like the Democrats, enough of them are in full support of this that it wouldn't have actually made a huge difference to him.

But the point of it is that that's where it actually debate happens where like members of Congress have to go on the record. And so the Democrats sort of cynically exploited this because a lot of them actually want regime change in Iran and support the agenda, but they also hope that Trump screws it up and it becomes bad for him electorally.

But on a tactical level, the US is approaching, this answers your question, the US administration is approaching this, like it's going to be Venezuela, that they're going to be able to just lap off the leadership in Iran, cut a deal with the number, whatever they're on now, number 10 ranking guy, and then Trump's going to sort of own the oil and go in there. Whether they're talking about it sort of like Libya, where you take out Moammar Kadafi,

then you have ground forces that are working with you, they've completely misread this. Iran has been building horizontal institutions since 1979. It is not just a dictatorship of one, and you kill the Supreme Leader and all of a sudden the state collapses. This is a multi-decade project with cross sections of society running security, the economy.

There's also a religious dedication on the part of some of their largest security forces that is not wed to one individual.

“And so I think what we're seeing is that Trump's people are talking about this like a sporting”

event. Certainly, the US has overwhelming firepower, you know, Pete Hegg Seth, who's sort of drinking buddy as defense secretary, is, you know, is really bravidosious, you know, an arrogant in the way he's talking about it.

The Iranians are, we were told that they were basically wiped out, Trump saying 60%, 64%.

Last night, after Pete Hegg Seth held a press conference saying the Iranian attacks are abating, the Iranians launched some of their most ferocious attacks at US targets throughout the Middle East. They did heavy bombing of Israel, what's clear is that the Iranians actually have succeeded in targeting a number of high-end US radar systems that are their early detection.

And so you're starting to see more Iranian hits on bases. I think that the US death toll quite probably could rise, but the idea that you're just going to overthrow this government is a massive miscalculation. And if they want to do that, they're going to have to send in, you know, 100,000 plus American troops.

And then it's going to be an utter bloodbath. So what does that mean? It means at the end of the day, the only winner here is sort of the agenda of Israel. Because I don't think Netanyahu's so much cares who comes into power in Iran as much as he wants that state shattered.

But he wants to convert it into a failed state. He wants the US to bomb their conventional military.

as a deterrent against Israel's agenda.

Ryan, what do you think Donald Trump is there? A lot of what Jeremy said is sort of has had to be known to generals. The military is telling Donald Trump this, they're telling him it's going to be difficult. I mean, that was even leaking out. They were saying things like this is not a cakewalk.

Why does he pull the trigger and decide to go in? I mean, from your reporting, why do they take out the spiritual leader of a Muslim country during Ramadan and expect that then the entire regime is going to unravel and then they're

“going to win popular support, what pushes him into this in the 11th hour?”

I think Trump has been told so many times that you can't do a certain thing and then

he has done that thing and then it has gone fantastically for him and I think the latest one to Jeremy's point was Venezuela. Everyone that you can't just go into the country and grab the president and his wife and take them back out and not lose a single American service member and then just say that you run the country that you can't do that, it's not how things are done yet

he did that and it from his perspective it worked out, you know, phenomenally for him. And he has said, like, I'm on a roll. Let's hit Cuba, like I'm feeling good, like he's three a.m. in Vegas and he's feeling great and he's also like been under her enormous amounts of pressure from Israel and then you have the Secretary of State saying, well, we were definitely going to do it at some

point, no question about it, but the reason we did it now is because we heard that Israel was going to do it, we knew what we would be attacked in response if Israel did that. So we just decided we're going to go along with Israel and start this war now not not considering the other option of saying, hey, those are our weapons you're using, you know, how about you don't do that?

Yeah, it seems to me that this whole thing seems backwards, you know, in the sense that we are arming Israel and we're providing them the the money to do this. So how did we get to a point, maybe Jeremy could could jump in, how did we get to the point where the president of Israel is sitting in the oval office and this is according to the Secretary of State, it's not a conspiracy theory, telling the president of the

United States, we're going to do this with your money and weapons, whether you like it or not and suggesting that this is the Secretary of State didn't say this, but there

“has been reporting and the credibility of it, you know, I think it's relatively credible”

that they had discussed potentially using unconventional or nuclear weapons at a certain point or a certain stage in the conflict, how do we get to this point where the president of Israel is telling the president of the United States, we're doing this with your money anyway and you better get on board to minimize the damage because if you don't get on board, perhaps we'll have to use nuclear weapons, you know, sources we also talked to that had

some degree of access to the decision making process leading up to this war, we're saying that, you know, since the Venezuelan Operation Tim, Trump started to like walk around, opining, including in like intelligence briefings, that he wants to go down in history as the president that forever changed Iran, you know, that sort of avenged the 1979 revolution and the taking of the embassy and I think that he really got fluffed up by a lot of people

that, you know, you're going to like experience greatness here and that we're going to run

the deck, you know, Trump won when he was first in the White House in the after that 2016 election,

“remember how the disdain he had for like John Bolton and the Neocons and the deliberations”

that went into that one strike that Trump authorized at the Baghdad airport where they killed General Kassim Soleimani, you know, the head of the IRGC, the most elite force in Iran, but Trump came out of like Bolton's era as his national security adviser denouncing him and saying if it was up to John Bolton, we'd be in World War III. Well, you fast forward to Trump 2.0 and what I would call the sort of Neocon Netanyahu wing of the mega movement, which they're

the most dangerous figures in the American political scene that they kind of took over this entire portfolio and part of it is that Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner is up to his neck and golf money. He's very invested in Israel on an ideological and religious level. You have Mariam Adelson

influential and powerful Israeli in the world, you know, when he went to announce it that he was ending the Gaza war, when he spoke at the Knesset and you have these people, they completely

“captured Trump on this level. I don't think Trump is an ideological guy. I think that he got”

fluffed up. He has a lot of business going on. He's simultaneously the president and he's looking out for his business, his family business, his crony's business. And I think these guys just convinced him, you're going to do something great that it's like, you know, building the Colosseum on a foreign

policy level and the reality is they are engaged in action right now that is going to make the world

less safe for a long time to come. It's totally no matter what your politics are. This is totally contrary to American interests, to the basic safety of Americans in the world, to our perception as a nation state. He twice used the false veneer of negotiating with another country to then launch military strikes. They did it in June of last year. They said, oh, we have another negotiation coming up days later. They do 12 days of mass abominable Iran. They do the same thing this time. If the

whole, it's a huge scandal, Tim, because what the Iranians put on the table went far beyond what Obama was able to get in 2015 from them. It was a massive, massive series of concessions from the Iranians on that nuclear issue. The Iranians were talking about also having negotiations on conventional weapons,

“including talking about range of ballistic missiles. That's what I was told by Iranian officials”

that they actually were willing to discuss that if the nuclear arrangement was reached.

So Trump could have called it a huge win. He could have said, I did what Obama couldn't do. I did what Biden couldn't do. And he could have made an actual deal that every expert, a nuclear weapons and Iran would have said, that is an extraordinary achievement to get the Iranians to that point. It's just proof that none of this was actually about actual security. It wasn't about nuclear weapons. And in terms of the generals,

I'm sure that Trump was sitting in briefings where these guys were laying out for him how strong some of Iran's missile capabilities are and the potential damage to American troops. Now, there's six confirmed American military deaths thus far. Do you believe that number of the indications that you think that number? Do you think the number of casualties is being accurately reported? And I'll just send that to both of you as a question.

It's, you know, it's a tough question. You know, having spent a lot of time around military guys and military communities, it's, it's not that difficult to cover up some deaths of special operations forces. And you can later say, well, there was a training exercise and the families of special operations forces go through briefings where they understand that if their loved one gets killed on a covert operation, that there's going to be a degree of public concealment

of the conditions under which they died. It's much harder to do when you're talking about rank and file soldiers because military families talk and they know when someone's, you know, family member is is missing or is dead. So I tend to think that there isn't a large-scale cover-up of deaths. There may be some cover-ups. There may be some covert actions that took place and more people

“died. What I think is almost certainly being covered up because we have witnessed his telling us this”

is I think a lot more American troops have been injured. Some of them seriously, then then the Pentagon has been willing to acknowledge at this point. I think the Iranians have been far more successful at hitting American targets than anyone is willing to talk about. I think also they've been far more successful at hitting infrastructure inside of Israel. The Israelis have imposed sweeping censorship on what targets have been hit.

You know, we have the Cotari Oil Minister coming out today and basically saying, if this

thing goes on for weeks, it's going to crash the entire global economy. The prices are going to skyrocket. The oil and gas prices are going to skyrocket. It's already happening. So what Trump is doing right now is lighting a massive fire. I think if it does go on, we're going to see the U.S. death toll tick up and we're going to start to see actual American interests set on fire by this policy. Ryan, when you have all these Gulf states, I think that go on, sorry.

No, go ahead. I was going to say of all these Gulf states. We have our embassies there. I ran as targeted these embassies incredibly successfully. We have diplomats and U.S. citizens stranded in that part of the world and cannot get out to buy, which is either the busiest or one of the busiest international airports, you know, has been closed. What does this do to our relationship to those Gulf states? Do they rebuild those embassies? We haven't seemingly protected our interests

in those countries. And we in those countries have been made vulnerable by this. And they're going to lose a lot of money with tourism. Why wouldn't those countries just say we want to deal with China or someone else? We don't want to deal with the United States when they're going

Yeah, they are expressing a lot of outrage about this. One of the, one of the most powerful

“influential businessman in the UAE, who is a former businessman, who is a former business partner”

of Trump himself, put out this long statement saying, you know, Mr. President, you're actually going to see who gave you the right to do this. Who gave, who authorized you to set this region on fire? And they're also frustrated by the fact that Israel gets most of the treatment when it comes to missile defense, despite the fact that, you know, we mostly pay for those whereas the Gulf countries that pay the United States by the weapons are getting the short

end of the stick. The way you're starting to see this play out, though, is going to be probably very detrimental for Trump and a lot of his friends because what he doesn't seem to have thought

through is that the U.S. is right now is basically the economy is propped up by an AI bubble

slash Ponzi scheme, which is mostly supported by financing from the Gulf. You're already seeing and I say this with regret because I know that Barry Wise is a friend of the show and I should previous guest host here, her attempt to take over CNN and Warner Brothers and the rest of these is backed by billions of dollars from the Gulf. They are now saying that they might not have the money or, frankly, the interest in going forward with that takeover. So this is what I'm

trying to tell us in the deal, it was the Ellis and family that owns TikTok that owns CNN that is paramount CBS are now buying Warner Brothers, which the Trump administration kind of got involved

in that deal because Netflix was going to buy them. Now the Ellis and family and their

“hilarious and there's no secret is, I think, the largest donor to the IDF, he's incredibly”

ideologically driven. It's not just profit-driven, who the hell wants to own CBS news, really, you know, it's not exactly right. That's not the future of news, CBS news, but he is ideologically driven and you're saying the fight, some of the financing for this deal to buy Warner Brothers, which would give, you know, also a him control of CNN is from the Gulf, like sovereign both funds and investment funds in the Gulf at this price of course. Yeah. Yeah. And they're not interested anymore.

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that this war would not only hopefully topple the leadership in Iran but also serve to either weaken or outright sever the connection between a country like Qatar and America or the Gulf States. This Israel sees that as a positive. I know that a lot of people that promote ultra Zionist ideas in this country are constantly accusing Qatar of running the country, the free press, wrote an article about all the money that Qatar has put into things that

higher education. I'm sure Qatar puts money into things but the idea that Qatar is now incredibly skeptical of things United States says and may not be able to trust us is that something that

Yeah, I mean, just Ryan to mention one concrete thing because we sell them here kind of the Iranian

“government perspective these days. It's really just kind of the the Trump show and because there's”

been this multi-decade campaign about Iran it's very hard to actually on just a basic factual level say well what is their actual position? What Iran has been saying to him about some of the retaliatory strikes that it's done over the past week is that they didn't do them. They're saying for instance that they have not attacked Saudi Iran cause oil refinery. They're saying that they did not strike the British military base in Cyprus and in fact the British government is saying they

don't believe that the drone that hit that base and destroyed a you know a base where

American spy planes come from that it came from Iran they're saying it may have come from the

direction of Lebanon which is an interesting thing. The Iranians are saying that some of the hotels and

“other buildings they hit in Bahrain or in the United Arab Emirates were housing Israeli spies or”

American personnel but why am I bringing this up? I'm bringing it up because what the Iranians are saying and you know take it at face value it should be fact checked we should look into it what they're saying is that they believe Israel has engaged in some false flag attacks in some of these Arab countries or potentially in Azerbaijan in an attempt to try to draw those nations into the war as actual combatants in it and Netanyahu is sort of gleefully talking about this

you know Trump's people are saying oh and even the Arabs are now going to start fighting against

the Iranians certainly Netanyahu loves to be the merchant of chaos when it comes to disrupting US relationships with other countries certainly he wants to see Qatar weakened he wants to see the economies the the economic power of the United Arab Emirates and Qatar the closeness of these countries to US institutions and particularly to Trump thrown into turmoil he knows that the populations in those countries don't like what's going on right now yes the the attacks especially

when they hit hotels or they hit infrastructure it's enraging the the populations of the Arab Gulf but on a much broader level this is a war in service of Israel and the populations of those countries the anger is simmering they understand what's happening it's destroying their entire project was based on this idea temp that the United States puts military bases in all these Emirates in all these kingdoms and they have an American security guarantee I don't think that they in

their wildest dreams they thought that the United States was going to allow Iran to pummel them the way that they have while pouring billions of dollars into the quote unquote defensive Israel so on one strategic level and this cuts to your question Tim I do think that Netanyahu views opportunity in this he wants to be the merchant of chaos to try to utterly destroy that relationship between the US and these other countries because he views it as a threat Trump is unpredictable

Trump is merging family business with the business of government this causes some consternation for for Netanyahu in his broader sort of project in Israel Ryan do you think that Iran hit the Saudi Arab co-facility they say they didn't and they say it so here and their argument is this and Jeremy interviewed the deputy foreign minister on Wednesday and asked him directly about this and paraphrasing him he said that would be insane because our entire economy is also based on the oil industry like

what like you think we want to start a tit for tat where people are bombing oil fields I frankly find that a fairly persuasive argument at this stage I could imagine if this war continues to descend into chaos and it continues to climb up the escalatory ladder that you that Iran may eventually strike a in oil field and we may strike all of their oil you think Lebanon I don't think

“that they using Lebanon struck the Saudi Arab co-facility I don't think Lebanon did it I mean I think”

their claim that Israel hit this that Israel hit this oil facility needs to be taken and seriously so it's very possible and one one thing just for the right to go on Jeremy just just to put a factual thing on the record what what I was told by the Iranians is not that they are against hitting oil facilities what they're saying is we will only do that if the United States and Israel start to attack our oil infrastructure we're going to strike back at their oil infrastructure because we don't view it

as simply the sovereign property of these Arab countries we view it as facilitating and link to the

to straight our ally our closest ally who was told us that they were launching a war a regime

change war any wrong with our weapons in our money also very potentially has attacked the oil Saudi Arab co-processing facility in another one of our ally Saudi Arabia and also kind of one of their allies Israel and Saudi Arabia have like sort of an understanding right so this is what the Iranians are suggesting and I'm not saying I fully believe it you know it could be that they accidentally hit some of these things it could be that they did do it and they're trying to cover it up although

“Iran you know I think that wouldn't really be to their advantage it's possible that they did it”

but the Saudis claim that that it was debris from a drone that they shot down but let's say for that we should just take this seriously and investigate it because if it is the case and evidence emerges the Saudis are saying it's Israel the earthquakes yeah the Saudis are saying it's debris from a drone they shot down that that was the initial statement by the salt first it was Iran bombed Saudi Iran coal then the Saudi defense official came out and said this was actually debris

that fell from a drone that we had intercepted and the Saudis and the Iranians have had an interesting diplomatic back and forth on this the Saudis are not as aggressive right now in going after the Iranians as for instance the Azerbaijani government is right and and really you know sort of demand you know saying that Iran did this Iranians are denying that as well

so all of which is just to say we should never just take it face value the proclamations of the

Iranian government right if you think about it at a common sense level it doesn't benefit Iran to further enraged the populations of these countries because they're already they already are very nervous about what's happening so they're the who benefits from this Tim who benefits is Israel from the idea that you know Iran is this kind of mad man this mad dog loose and there's biting everyone they're biting all their neighbors they're biting the people who they've

“been in this rapprochement with for two years it doesn't make sense so that's why you have to”

pursue it and say is there any legitimacy to what the Iranians are alleging so now a friend of mine who is who's kind of deeply connected in that part of the world shake Carlson has reported on his show shake Tucker has reported on his show that in the UAE to Mossad agents were arrested for potentially trying to start false flag attacks i don't know if you guys saw that but it was it did go pretty big in terms of news i don't know if you feel it was in Qatar Qatar and Saudi Arabia

right so is there anything that you guys can add to that is that verifiable in any way i mean he

he is here's what i will say about Tucker he's deeply connected in those parts of the world i think

that you know that's quite obvious and he's goes there and talks to a lot of people there and i don't think he would come out and make that up so what what what i can add to that is they both Qatar and uh KSA have Saudi Arabia have denied that this has happened okay uh we had as drop site had a source with uh Saudi Arabia that that denied to us um that it happened a Qatar resources have been a little cageier uh when it comes to uh when it comes to confirm here denying

that off the record uh on the record they're denying it also it's the kind of thing that you wouldn't you wouldn't necessarily like talk about if it did happen right it could also but it could also have been made up by somebody who told it to Tucker sure like they're trying to so like it may have been a very credible source that told it to Tucker but that credible source was just trying to so disso you know misinformation disintermediate chaos yeah moments like this

90% of what you hear turns out to be a proven incorrect you know a you know a year later so we're we're in that the heat at that moment where there's going to be a lot of flying around um but you know it's you know i i so i don't know that's about that's about what I can add to this is another thing that needs to continue to be investigated Saudi Arabia is not you know if if for example if Saudi Arabia genuinely believed that Saudi romco was targeted by

Iran I would imagine there'd be a massive retaliation from Saudi Arabia have you seen that I think

“that's an important yeah you haven't seen that right i think that's it yeah yeah and i think that's”

an important insight that that does go to what Saudi Arabia believes because i think you're right

well one also what's on the on the Tucker Carlson on the Tucker Carlson issue Tim like you know

I know that i was in doha for the doha forum when Tucker Carlson you know appeared there and it was like you know it was like Michael Jackson appearing at the height of his fame somewhere you know like he is a massive figure that he's purchased property there right um you know and and Tucker Carlson he is he is globally famous right now yeah and deeply connected he meets with with the you know the epicenters of power in the golf right now there's no question about that so

I don't believe Tucker Carlson just made this up it's possible it Ryan said somebody mentioned

“something to him maybe it was sort of like floating something but let's remember that Israel has a”

decades-long history of engaging in all sorts of covert operations in false flag operations

in assassinations in bombings that they then uh try to blame on other groups there's a long

history of Israel doing false flag bombings in Lebanon and elsewhere so again it's in the category of we need to pursue it we need to look into it but you know the idea that there's Mossad agents running around these countries is like not at all a shocker or or a surprise you know it's it would be surprising if they weren't doing these things the question is were they were their agents arrested and it's being covered up or was this floated to Tucker because they wanted to achieve

some purpose that we don't quite understand right now I don't know but Israel is a long history of doing this stuff right and also if they did arrest if they did arrest agents they would not like imagine what it would take for them to say that publicly like for allies of the United States

“Saudi Arabia and Qatar to say publicly yes this is true we arrested these Mossad agents”

like that would be a significant diplomatic kind of breach like so the diplomatic thing to do is to deny it so the denials are are worth reporting but it doesn't necessarily tell you a whole lot when you look at the time can I tell you one one one one one story about Israel you know in the 1990s the head of Hamas was a guy named Khalid Michelle and he was he was based in Jordan at the time and he comes out he's driving his kids to work and then to school and he gets out of the car

with his bodyguards and these two guys posing as tourists come up and they spray something in his ear and it was a it was a poison and it sends Khalid Michelle into a coma and then there was a pursuit and his bodyguards in Jordanian police end up tackling and getting the guys and it turns out that they were most side agents the king of Jordan then and this is a public story people can read about this there's been documentaries made about it the king of Jordan then says we're going to

cancel our treaty uh with uh Israel and we're going to execute uh these agents if Netanyahu he was prime minister at the time in the nineties if Netanyahu doesn't give us the antidote to resurrect Khalid Michelle the head of Mossad gets on a plane from Israel flies to Jordan to deliver the antidote to save Khalid Michelle's life and Khalid Michelle is still alive to the stage just interviewed him you know some a couple a couple of months ago but the the nature of what

Israel is able to do that's one of the most sort of famous known episodes Israel has deep penetration throughout the Arab world and there are many cases where they conduct operations like hard and

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estimation and maybe maybe that's no role or maybe it's some role or maybe it's I don't know

what percentage of a role it is is controlling politicians through things like blackmail or coercion of some degree obviously apex spends a lot of money but then we have these files come out that show that that Jeffrey Epstein is in contact with a lot of very highly placed people in government's all over the world but the X prime minister of Israel's living in his house it comes out

“then it is really that I believe these really government this was reported put a security system”

in Jeffrey Epstein's New York townhouse this is true this is not a conspiracy that townhouse is

being frequented by some of the wealthiest most powerful and most influential people in our society

as well the man has an island and a ranch in the middle of nowhere in New Mexico this man is it is a pedophile is is is is is a uh human trafficker he's clearly when you look at these documents arranging these parties and events where very powerful people are going from your reporting in a very sober-minded way does that type of control system is that something you think Israel has employed or is employing in any way to sort of get certain results from certain

politicians? I mean the Israelis have a history of doing that sort of thing for sure the link to Epstein in this case to me maybe the way that it influenced Trump to try to change the subject right you know

“he tried the I think the Venezuela operation had you know was it wasn't an attempt to kind of”

turn the page on that and get it off but it you know that that lasted like 12 hours and the public was back to okay that's interesting let's look at let's look through some more of these Epstein files so I do I do wonder absent the Epstein scandal itself whether Trump you know has the kind of motivation to carry through this it has its own logic and motivation to it Netanyahu said the other day that this is something he's been yearning for for 40 years and and they have been

working towards pressuring the United States into it since then and so like that that alone you know has an enormous kind of gravitational pull to it but but and I think Trump's going to

“be sorely disappointed because I think when the war ends if the you know if the war ends with a”

still alive on this planet we're going right back to those files guy like we haven't forgotten about this Jeremy can you speak to that and then Jeremy also adding to that from your understanding of someone like Jeffrey Epstein now I'm not accusing Jared Kushner being a human trafficker obviously but when you look at what Jeffrey Epstein was doing and you look at what Jared Kushner was doing sort of being a you know whatever you want to call it right like a rainmaker putting all these people at

the table trying to arrange scenarios to get certain results working sort of with government but also outside of government would it be completely crazy to say that Jared Kushner is working in an Epstein like fashion to to maintain certain relationships and to build other relationships and to increase the likelihood that certain outcomes happen on a global chessboard do you see Kushner as a figure like that or am I overstating it you know I think one of the you know one of the

biggest scandals is what's hidden in plain sight I think that you know a story like the Epstein

files and Jeffrey Epstein's relationships with all of these ultra powerful people and you know Ryan

has done more reporting than anyone on the Israel connection on this you know it captures the imagination but part of why it's so damning is that it's it's indicative of something that doesn't that isn't even a secret conspiracy that was hidden in plain sight is that the reason that we're at war against Iran right now is because of the way that the U.S. political system is arranged it's because of the sameness of policy that exists among the elites of the democratic party and the kind of

that Israel has over an issue as sensitive of the decision of a state to go to war where you have

as you mentioned earlier the Secretary of State mistakenly saying the quiet part out loud that we we did in fact go to war for Israel and then he has to you know walk it back later and then Trump has to concoct this ridiculous statement you know about how he the the U.S. has been in a state of needing to preempt Iran for 47 years but what's what's hidden in plain sight is in a way more damning than the Epstein files it's that we have a system that produces the kinds of characters that

are in power right now that that that in the open you have Maryam Adelson being able to purchase

“American foreign policy and get it done that you can have a Jared Kushner and I think you I think”

you're you're nailing it there he is the fixer extraordinaire right now for the U.S. government as a whole because Trump is the president and the nexus of corporate power and government the relationships with the Gulf countries the relationships with Israel the political interference around the world and then the the way that they have sort of conducted a coup d'état in plain sight against the American constitution it's like beyond Dick Cheney's wildest dreams Dick Cheney and Donald

Rumsfeld spent their entire lives playing by the wrong set of rules they wanted to do this but they made the huge mistake of actually believing they needed to follow the rules Trump has shattered that illusion and he did you don't have to read an Epstein file to see it it's hidden it's it's hidden nowhere anymore it's just out in the open and what do we have as an opposition cooking Jeffries Chuck Schumer what what what are they doing right you Trump laughs at them

Trump's running the deck on these people well our is Chuck Schumer or a team Jeffries principally opposed regime changing Iran it doesn't feel like that now no no no no no no I mean bingo like right no I mean Chuck Schumer his whole life has wanted to see that his whole political career has wanted to see this happen I mean Ryan and I did a report recently I mean Ryan Ryan should speak to this but we did a report that was showing that even last June Schumer and other Democrats

saw opportunity in the possibility that Trump would try to go all in in a regime change war and I mean Ryan could pick it up because kind of an amazing story we have just he Schumer did the whole taco Trump thing trying to trying to taunt Trump into the war and so a bunch of anti war groups sent Schumer a letter saying hey man like we get it like it's fun to score points against Trump but let's not kind of go to him into World War III let's let's relax on that one this is one

and that was bad just to just to restate for people is one of the powerful Democratic senators

from New York Chuck Schumer kind of taunting Trump like you always chicken out you're not going

to follow through on regime change in Iran yeah and so that that letter that these groups sent to Schumer leads to a phone call between a top foreign policy aid for Schumer and one of the leaders of

“one of these anti war groups and she says to him look what you have to understand is that he's”

under a lot of pressure from the caucus too because there are a ton of Democrats in the Senate who really want to see a regime change war they they hate Iran they want the military to take out Iran but they also know that the American people are done with these wars and so it would be extremely damaging but it will also then therefore be extremely damaging to Trump so they're two worst enemies the eyes hola and Trump you know both take a hit so they're like so we're actually

he's at and she said well Schumer he doesn't believe that but he's under a lot of pressure

from Democrats on on the Democrats who believe that but from our reporting like that that basically

captures a lot of the Democratic lawmakers position on this right that they want this war and they want Trump to be the one that wages it and takes the hit from and loses politically for it I have heard that Stephen Miller was a huge proponent of this war I don't know if you've heard that that Stephen Miller behind the scene what Stephen Miller oh interesting behind the scene was it being proponent of this war um it's been reported that JD Vance who's kind of marketed

as an isolationist you came on my show and said you know we've made a lot of mistakes by you know going into these countries like Iraq and Afghanistan and having regime change wars

“it was reported that he said if you're gonna do this um go big and go fast I believe was”

the quote or hit hard and go fast um any does any of your reporting suggest any internal conflicts in the White House obviously somebody like Tulsi Gabber which I don't think anyone

and he marketed himself as someone who and I and I do believe JD Vance a lot of what he said

“has been somewhat consistent about and he said it on my show he came on my show and he said”

we shouldn't be doing this and yet they're doing it so and I mean listen I know there's a lot of people out there that'll say that these people are politicians and especially JD Vance doesn't believe in anything and that's very possible but what is your reporting about the dynamics in the White House yeah you know I um uh the other day I was talking to Daniel Davis who's uh you know career military and he was supposed to be one of Tulsi Gabber's deputies in this administration

and then Republicans uh and the Israel lobby went ballistic because he had been a critic of the

Gaza war and had said critical things about Israel and there's a career decorated military officer

and he was going to be put in the position of presenting the presidential daily brief to Donald Trump this this just happened right at the beginning of this Trump administration so then they withdrew

“his nomination so Daniel Davis would have been you know a real voice of kind of uh objectivity and”

independent thought but also you know a long time military thinker and he was saying that he still maintains contact with some people this was just recently I spoke to him that he maintains contact with some people he said there's only like a handful of of saying people left in the inner circle when it comes to anything I've been to do with national security or specifically with this Iran and that there's a vibe that anybody who sort of speaks up it's not welcome to sort of

be giving contrary views it's that you're going to be viewed as disloyal it's it's like you're in kind of authoritarian dictatorship and you're like afraid that Hanukkah from the Democratic German Republic is going to like ask you if you say the wrong thing that's totally uh sort of counter to the idea that when it comes to sensitive issues like waging war especially this kind of war

“based on nonsense um that that you don't want critical voices I mean Tulsi Gabbard is the embodiment”

of what happened to the isolationist wing of the maga movement when it came to power and Trump

in this second administration these guys are completely sidelined as you said it's like a joke

the other day you had another another another guy who falls into that isolationist category Eldridge Colby yes it's called defense what happened to him so bridge so bridge I mean I also I mean you know we uh when I was trying to get him on the road I would come on the show well so I I interviewed him I interviewed him years ago he and I had a had a debate this is before he was in the Trump administration but we also agreed on a bunch of things called bridge Colby was against

all this nonsense in the Middle East he's trying to come into the Pentagon the other day yeah he's a China hawk and that's where he and I were argue about this stuff but that's he's known as a China hawk but he's a very realistic sort of isolationist when it comes to these forever wars and police policy he sits in front of a congressional hearing the other day and he has explicitly on record for years of being against a regime change war in Iran and he gets asked about his

previous comments and he just fumbled around he couldn't even answer it you could play clip after clip of Tulsi Gabbard explaining very articulately what's wrong with these kinds of wars and they put her in charge he's the director of national intelligence just nothing to do with this stuff and if she's allowed to speak publicly oh boy she needs to tow the party line that's the reality of this administration that the mega movement needs to understand the whole thing was an epic

sham there is no isolationist wing of this administration there is no America first this is Israel first

right now and it's Trump family business first so it's interesting about bridge Colby is this is a guy who last summer they are running hit pieces in the political on him because he is opposed to continuing the continuing of funding of the Ukraine war and he was sort of outspoken about that now I know for a fact that serious people billionaires media people were calling Trump going fire this guy we don't want him like genuine you know and and I know that not for a fact for a fact like

I was in the room but like people saying like this guy was a thorn in the side of more of the neo conservative ideologically driven people on that end of the spectrum they were going this guy's got to go and and now he's sitting there and he's he's completely changed his opinion yeah and the only opposition that really came internally came from the military and particularly you know general Dan Kane Trump loves call raising Kane who because they had material concerns about

anything that Iran was saying in the months leading up to the war they were saying if you come

“for us we're going to turn this into a regional war right and we have learned the lesson of the”

previous conflicts that we need to hit much harder than we hit before like they were saying it out loud in English for anybody who wanted to listen to it and so Kane was internally sharing

these assessments like that this is what they're going to do we got hey man we got a billion dollar

radar installation right here it's radar we can't put it underground they could hit it you know we got these painter missile batteries they can hit those like we have all of these bases that are within range of their ballistic missiles they can hit those we've spent decades you know building up this elaborate military infrastructure to basically control the Middle East and to control global commerce and we're putting all that at risk over this over this war when the Iranians are offering

you basically everything you're asking for the negotiating table so the only opposition was coming from like people who are like let me just tell you like what the reality of this situation is but everyone else was like no man like they're going to surrender or you push him over you'll be

a historic figure it's it's going to be incredible and he went with the it's going to be beautiful

I mean Israel's recently signaled that outside of Iran they feel that Turkey is their biggest threat yeah Turkey is a NATO country this is psychotic I mean you know at what point does the United States of America divests from this Israeli foreign policy of attacking any and all countries they feel might be a current or potential threat I mean this is straight up bush doctrine preemptive war the biggest foreign policy failures of my lifetime that I witnessed growing up in the early 2000s

Israel seems to have that foreign policy position about Iran and now about Turkey when you here and I forget who said it you guys know more than me but someone came out and said

and I don't know if it was yeah you'll repeat I forget who said it but basically somebody said

outside of Iran we're looking at Turkey as the biggest potential existential threat to our existence why would they come out and say that at this point Connor do you know who said that can you look that up because that definitely was said really against it might have been been against I'm trying to my producers looking at it what exactly would they mean by that why telegraph that publicly in the middle of a war with Iran or or or soon before I don't I don't

understand that you know one one thing and it cuts to this issue of Turkey etc you know one

“one thing that I think were we're witnessing here I think we're on the verge of of this being”

drilled into the heads of an entire generation of young people across the Middle East that in fact it is a religious war you know there's there's been great pains taken to sort of say this isn't about religion it said but the the message it's being sent especially when the US ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee who might as well be the foreign minister of Israel the way that he talks is is endorsing the idea of a greater Israel that goes from the Mediterranean all the way to the

Tigris in your phrase is rivers and starts defending it and kind of some bizarre theological ground but what what what we're witnessing right now is that you have all of these golf monarchies that are propped up and defended by the presence of American military sites in their countries by their interwoven interconnected relationship to the global economy specifically to the American economy there is an any semblance of democracy in any of those countries and you know their

populations are bribed and bought off to sort of be quiet and and maybe it's effective maybe the propaganda or what Iran is doing right now maybe it's damaging you know certain aspects uh you know or making people feel like well we should be aggressively around but at the end of the day in a bigger picture the genocide in Gaza the the absolute obliteration of Gaza the attempts to further annex the West Bank now they just issued force deportation orders displacement orders in Lebanon clearing out

hundreds of thousands of people from the south suburbs of Beirut the Israelis doing massive bombing there they've set the entire region on fire it will take a generation but there's going to be blowback to him and it's like the lesson of 9/11 the lesson of the so-called war on terror it's

“like we we step on the rake in the same place in the yard every few cycles and I think that it may”

seem like Israel is quote unquote winning right now but a series of events are being kicked into motion

millions of people are being told this actually is the religious war against you and that's going to

“come back and bite the United States in a major way.”

I want to really feel it. I don't know what to do. I'm still not going to do it. I'm still in the hands of people. We're going to do a career with people. That's the hands of people. Ryan the opposition leader in Israel came out and said this is all of our war this is our entire country is war so I know that Netanyahu very rightly gets a ton of criticism and to say criticism

let's I mean to put it mildly how much of this in your estimation is just Netanyahu like you know

the great man of history theory where it's like without Netanyahu how much of this is happening and how much of this is just the preferred policy of the entire Israeli government and without Netanyahu died tomorrow are we looking at a major course correction in Israel or not? I mean when it was looking like there might be some sort of election for you know prime minister again the most of the candidates closest to Netanyahu were to his right so of the top four so he was like the most

“kind of left wing candidate and I think what you're seeing from the population there is the”

natural product of the relationship that the US has set up with Israel which is you know at the beginning you had a a left or a center left when the Israel that would say we should do co-existence with the Palestinians we should do it we should do two states we're all here we're all going to be here let's let's hammer this out and then you had a right wing that was saying why would we give anything away to these subhuman people let's just keep using the American military weapons

and support that is flowing in to just continue to lock down control of more and more territory it's free money right it's free real estate let's let's use it and so the they they were they kept

“being able to win that argument because one side of the political calculation is arguing for”

some level of compromise in order to get a sustainable coexistence the other is saying how about we don't compromise and actually get more stuff and only by taking away the American kind of military and financial support would you force the political conversation to be held on reasonable grounds what is the religious element you know when Jeremy says this is religious war and people are now going to internalize this in the Middle East as a religious war talk her got a lot of criticism

recently for talking about how bought and talking about the third temple and playing a video of Pete Higgs F saying that the third temple could be you know rebuilt in our lifetime and I know this is sort of end times mythology that Christians and Jews actually share to a certain degree

which is why there's so much Christians on his been America I've always thought of this maybe

and maybe it's just because I'm uneducated I've thought of it more of a secular financial mode of like trying to build a Miami and Gaza trying to build an AI smart city on this mass grave and trying to have regional hegemony in the Middle East is there an element of this that is mystical spiritual whatever you want to call it where you do have really influential clerics pushing certain ideas because they believe that there is some spiritual element to this fight

oh I actually think you know if you go back and you and you look at how the Republican Revolution was organized in the 1990s when New King Rich and the contract with America came to power or you look at Reagan's electoral campaign in the 1980 election at the core of it was the Republican strategists mobilizing the evangelical vote and including getting large numbers of evangelicals who were not voters at all to start voting and supporting Republican candidates

Americans as kind of the crazies the loonies and so we need to constantly be throwing red meat to the loonies to keep them on our side and I think that those dynamics still exist and they certainly exist in this Netanyahu's not a particularly religious guy at all right but he'll talk about Amalek and the need to wipe them out and say the Torah and you know all of it and he'll do it when it's convenient but I think you're you're nailing it when you talk about the sort of

big real estate project and what I'm referring to is this that when you have Kushner and you have Netanyahu although Netanyahu is also political it's Zionism it's expansionism it's all of those things

“but it but there's this is big business that's why you can have the United Arab Emirates normalizing”

relations with Israel and posting pictures where they're celebrating together and you have all it's all business in a way but what I'm saying is they're erecting their condominiums and their business projects on a mountain of corpses of Muslims who've been killed in all of these wars and what I'm saying is you can't do that and expect that it's not going to circle back around to you so a day may come where some of these golf monarchies they're toppled or they're brought down

and part of the story is going to be what we're all witnessing right at this very moment because the message has been sent that Israel it was in Israeli supremacist war that was waged with the United States with the support castedly and otherwise of these monarchies and when these golf monarchies are toppled you mean by progressive secular pluralists right? I feel like

“a lot of you say it's good but but this is what I mean right you're going to get Syria right”

you're going to get somebody who is an ISIS who's now going to take so you're going to take a country potentially that's somewhat modernizing a Qatar, Alman Jordan, whatever and some of these golf monarchies would be toppled and you would get you they'd probably be toppled by religious fanatics but well let me let me let me let me answer that in a little bit of a nuanced way yeah we have an example a living example of this when the Egyptian Revolution happened in 2011 when the so-called

Arab spring uprisings were happen the US spectator ship of Hossebubarak was toppled and there was a

popular revolt and then Egypt for the first time in decades had free and fair elections and the

candidate who won those elections with the wide support not just of religious Egyptians but also secularists and young people was Dr. Muhammad Morse who came out of the Muslim Brotherhood movement and he won a democratic election even though a lot of the people that voted for him were not members or supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood but he he won a sort of consensus of the population and within like a year or so the US was backing a coup where general Abdul Fattal Sisi took power

“and Egypt's gone back to the moment if we're not going to have any real democracy anymore and I think”

that the question then becomes you know Muhammad Morse and Egypt was an interesting guy because he was modern he was extremely well educated he unders he was a political realist and I don't think it was given a chance to even see what does it look like to have a country that has democratic elections

has a distinctly religious sort of identity to it but also respects a basic secularism that's never

really been allowed to function in the modern era because the United States doesn't want that the United States isn't actually interested in having democracy in any of these countries look Trump Trump was asked by Dana Bash from CNN this morning you know what about if a religious figure takes power they're out you know because Trump's saying I have to be involved with the cooking of it you know Iran is the best of national voter ID law real quick right to Trump out of it but Trump's saying

I have no problem with religious leaders and he's basically saying it doesn't have to be a democracy I'm fact they don't care they don't really care they want malleable states that in one way or the other are going to do the bidding of the United States and they couldn't really care less what they do to their own people unless it's convenient to the narrative how how generic with the I mean I'm not generic how when we're looking at footage of Iranian protests and I'm sure I I live in California for part of the

year and I know a lot of people that you know are from Iran and I know that a lot of them were you you know genuinely excited when the I had told a fel because you know they had experience depression and they you know they have pointed out that women in Iran to some degree and again I don't know I'm not there you know how um how genuine and widespread were those Iranian Iranian protests that we saw like small videos of were some of the mentioned here by outside forces potentially massage were they kind of

egg don and stoked by that how much of the country does that represent how powerful is that section of the

country um in terms of determining the future course of Iran or we talking 10% of people 30% of

are they only in Tehran what do you think about those Iran protests and how organic they were

“there were you know there were some huge protests like there were enormous numbers of people”

that were in the streets it was started in a in a market where shop owners you know started protesting about exchange rates and the U.S. has been clear of best into himself the Treasury Secretary said publicly you know we deliberately engineered a a currency crisis in Iran in order to spark a protest like that's almost a direct quote from from our Treasury Secretary what he did is manipulated you know through through sanctions and through some new sanctions policy what what people savings were

worth and what you could buy you know with with Iranian money and all of a sudden you know merchants

were just you know who depend on you know some stable monetary system in order to be able to buy

imports and then sell them on the streets they started protesting against this which is precisely what the U.S. wanted the U.S. also said that we shipped like what 50,000 of Elon Musk's little

“satellite devices into the into the country and otherwise have been you know”

foaming up rising but there's no question talking to the Iranians like there's a lot of anger like the country is the country you know I mean even setting aside your opposition to the regime if you have it or to the Iranian government the economics crisis over the last months and years is it makes daily life very difficult now ironically most of the opposition to the government

would be like you said in Tehran and that is the place that we are now you know bombing into the

7th century right seems like indiscriminate bombing around around this one of the oldest and biggest cities in the world so we're hitting you know the people that would be most likely to be to be supportive of to be to have been out in the streets protesting right what to add to that Tim because you're also asking about sort of the broader picture there you know what ended up happening and you know we also spoke to people who witnessed this themselves is that you had these

huge popular protests and there was almost no response from the state whatsoever in fact this Supreme Leader of Iran who of course was assassinated in the opening stages of this war had even publicly said that the protesters need to be listened to and there were there were no significant reports of any violence until around January 8th so like they started in late December they go to January 8th and you know what what we know for a fact happened was that small cells of people

that were embedded within larger peaceful demonstrations started attacking police stations or attacking police officers in some cases they started attacking mosques and you know and and so I mean one one that I talked to who witnessed some of this said that it's like watching agitators at like a big anti war demonstration in the U.S. where you've got like the people that want to break off and they the revolutions going to happen now and let's try to set a cop car on fire

so you start having people do this and and so and the what the Iranian government has said and again this is a nation states narrative but what the Iranian government has said is that there were cells of people that they believe were being supported by Mossad and in some cases provided with smuggled in weapons that were coordinating attacks against the government attacks against mosques attacks against security personnel and what it sounds like happen is that there were then these

“gun battles that start and I think thousands of Iranians got gunned out and I'm you know we I don't”

think we know the extent of the death toll but what I think is clear is that the narrative that it was simply the Iranian government decided to open fire on peaceful protests is is not true the question is how overwhelming was the force how many Iranians did the government kill in the process of trying to put down what they characterized as terrorist rebellions how excessive was it how many corpses were there we don't know that and it needs to be investigated

but we have to be intellectually honest about this the Iranian government has said that 3100 people died that includes everyone including security forces international human rights organizations are saying those numbers are much much higher some of the numbers also come from human rights organizations that are connected to the national endowment for democracy and have received U.S. government funding but even the big ones I'm just here in the National Human Rights Watch they all have characterized it as

most of the deaths were caused by the Iranian government opening fire on peaceful protesters I think that we because these narratives have been weaponized into broader public support initially

of the events that took place in Iran in January but it is not even part of the narrative anymore

“from White House this isn't about we're saving the Iranian people Trump Trump is that they're not”

even talking nuclear anymore now it's we're going to get rid of their ballistic missile capacity what they're actually saying I want people to understand what they're actually saying is Iran shouldn't have any defensive capacity it shouldn't have any ability which any nation state worth anything has to deter other nations from attacking it the position right now is Iran should be like Syria where after Assad fell Israel came in they bomb the entire conventional military

capacity of Syria to make sure that whoever comes next whatever Arab ruler takes power won't have a real military in a way that's kind of the minimum that Netanyahu wants of this game Ryan let's make it so they can't ever be a real nation state again yeah Ryan we spoke earlier but the role that AI is playing in actually court helping these military coordinated tax can you speak a little bit

“to that this is one of the you know obviously the Gaza genocide is another I think example of this”

but this is one of the first theaters of war that we've seen AI have such a prominent role

yes yeah it was reported that in that Israel in the early stages of the bombing of Gaza was was using AI to pick to pick targets and there would be one low level person at the very end who would just you know press confirm confirm confirm confirm on all of those but it does appear like the U.S. is using AI and it's in its targeting here the the most absurd example this is the one you and I were talking about they bombed in Tehran a place called police park and first of all it shows

you that that and it's it has nothing to do with police it's just called police park it shows you that they're that they are doing what Iran says they're doing which is bombing a lot of civilian infrastructure police are you know there are part of the civilian infrastructure trying to like keep order they they want they want disorder uh and so in their list of you know uh you know that whoever produced clawed or somebody else of police targets they they added police park like so and so we dropped

them you know 10 or 20 million dollar missile to blow up a park bench surrounded by a couple of trees

the and there's a real open question of whether the 180 plus people killed in the school in in manob and southern Iran came about because uh it was an AI chosen target because their their had it had previously been part of an IRGC base but since then it it was broken off and there's a wall if you went on Google Earth last month and looked and you can people can look this up it was labeled as a school literally on Google Earth right so if they did use AI why is the AI not

checking Google Earth before bombing the school and if they didn't use AI how what are we doing right like why how are we like who's who's checking this Jeremy a lot of people are saying munitions are running out a lot of people have been talking about that a lot of people have been saying that because we've given the Ukraine a lot of weaponry we've provided Israel with a lot of weaponry that we have um over extended ourselves we've depleted our munitions stockpiles and that the idea

that we could you know what these missile interceptors that we could defend Israel the Gulf states that we could you know that we could continue to have the ability to attack Iran at the level that we need to it's there any credence to that claim do you think that we we are kind of running a little bit low on certain munitions and to piggyback on that as Israel runs low on munitions do they consider using alternative weapons nuclear weapons if they feel like they are losing this war

which right now it seems to be that they are and I don't know if that's true or not and that could be reversed but it does seem to be that they're taking heavy losses big hits as you said it's censored over there it's hard to tell but do we have the munitions to keep fighting this war can we defend some of our allies and partners and if not what happens next I mean this is such an important question that you're asking and it's what I'm also talking to military experts on and I'm also

I'm also interviewing Iranian officials which is you know somewhat unusual in the context of American

“media and here's what I would say I think the next couple of days are going to be very telling what the”

Iranians are claiming and this is coming also from the IRGC they're most powerful military entity

they're claiming that the munitions they've used up until this moment that I'm speaking to you Tim have largely been missiles manufactured between 2010 and 2014 and that they haven't utilized

deploying those systems we're going to see if that's true we're going to see how powerful they are

“how effective they are because I think the Iranians are reaching a trigger point where they're”

going to start doing that I think we also are going to see the extent to which the bad battery systems the you know the defense systems that the US put in place and you know throughout these countries the radar systems that the Iranians have attacked that coordinate the patriot and bad missile defense systems the early warning detection systems seem to be failing in some countries you know we have colleagues in different Gulf countries that are saying that

Syrians aren't going off now and things are just hitting there's a lot of censorship happening so I think the US certainly has enough bombs they've destroyed enough of Iran's air defenses to

bring in aircraft flying at lower altitude dropping different kinds of munitions I don't think there's

much question if the US and Israel can keep bombing they're going to start putting planes at risk they have not decimated the air defenses in the way that headsets and others are bragging I mean

“I think it's pretty clear the Iranians have been preparing for a long time for this they have”

mobile units it's a mountainous terrain it's an enormous country so I think that the the rubbers going to hit the road on on what narratives have been true in which haven't over the next couple of days we could see a scenario where it becomes really clear really fast that a lot of those Gulf Arab countries are extremely vulnerable and that the the anti missile technologies have been severely degraded to a point where the Iranians start striking in a much heavier capacity

and and then you're going to have enormous pressure already on the oil issue they're going nuts right now right because we're messing with the family businesses all through the Middle East but on a tactical level the Iranians have said from the beginning it's going to look like we're getting waxed it's going to look like we're being destroyed here but you haven't seen our most

powerful systems and we know what we're doing we are causing them to expend all of their energy

in the opening week of this war and then you're going to see how vulnerable they are and they're going to see we're going to see which narrative is true which is false I was there talking about hypersonic missiles specifically what hypersonic missiles yep can you talk about the difference between a regular and a hypersonic missile in terms of capabilities and damage it can be done I mean what one one thing just to first to say you know there's been a lot of of outrage being

expressed by Israel over Iran using cluster munitions right first of all should be stated that neither Israel nor Iran are party to the convention banning cluster bombs and the United States itself has used cluster munitions including under Barack Obama they use cluster bombs in Yemen and shredded 36 people in a strike that they said was aimed at al-Qaeda but they shredded a bunch of villagers in Yemen with them but why are the Iranians using cluster bombs? Personally I'm completely against them

I've seen the effect of cluster bombs I think it's a heinous weapon system but the Iranians are using it as a way to try to trigger the iron dome and other air defense systems so that the larger missile itself is able to penetrate or other missiles are able to penetrate and they're ugly ugly munitions no one should ever defend the use of them. Iran though is using sort of you know they're using guided munitions they are quite precise but with the hypersonic missiles

it's much easier for them to penetrate through the existing US and Israeli defense systems it doesn't mean that they work perfectly they're just they're a much faster missile in fact the Yemenis at times have used them on Israel as well in in in some cases actually hitting targets so what you're talking about is a much stronger blast you're talking about a missile that is a much greater capacity to defeat the technology that the US and Israel have deployed and if some of the higher end

technology has already been used up and they have to get replenishments in terms of combating the ballistic missiles you could start to see much heavier damage take place inside of Israel but again I want to emphasize the Iranians have claimed this for a long time and we're going to start to see if what they promised is true we're going to start to see that very very soon last night very heavy bombing from the Iranians after the US had claimed that they were sort of pausing or

it was abating a bit the Iranians responded by just utterly bombing throughout the region and hitting

“Israel very hard. I believe Vol. Jeremy we know you need to get out of here Ryan could just”

stay for another five minutes just a few more questions I want to talk you about this ship incident Jeremy thank you you were the best I'd appreciate you I appreciate you Ryan I want you to talk briefly about this incident that was very disturbing that I read about regarding an Iranian ship that got torpedoed by the US because it does just talk about how there is I think a misunderstanding from certain people as to the brutality of war in the sense of how truly evil things that happened

for people in the US to stand up and go yeah this is not something that we co-sign could you just

talk about that yeah this is a dark one and and India is actually roiled by this right now because it implicates them so the the Indians they love to project that they have hegemony in the kind of Indian ocean of there they're they're the ones that are going to their Navy is going to keep the Indian Ocean safe and so toward that end they they host this by annual kind of a little festival of

“ships yeah I think 70 countries including Iran in the United States sent ships to these two separate”

but related events and they did a live fire drill and when did they do that when they did it from I think the February 17th to the 26th got you so it wrapped up 48 hours before maybe 36 hours

before the war started right they they they they they parade it on land the US pulled out of one of the

two of these little festivals but did participate in the other one with the with the Iranians so like we're there like with them as part of the kind of peace protocol for these events you're only supposed to bring enough ammunition you know to like you know fire off you know during during your little events you're not supposed to come all you know kid it up in a way that could cause you know serious problems also you're out there doing these complex coordinated drills

you know you don't want something to go wrong right and so they try to keep it as safe as possible and so then it you know it starts to head back to to Iran and this is where that we need more

investigation it appears that it was then held at a port for something like 11 hours near Sri Lanka

yeah or Sri Lanka port which we now people are suspicious was allowing kind of the new this nuclear sub to catch up to it there there's also the question of like how did they find the exact location there's some in India they are speculating that the US exploited it's kind of joint intelligence network that it has built with India to get into the Indian system and then because the Indians and the Iranians were you know they invited the Iranians ship and then they

say goodbye to the Iranians ships they knew exactly where it was so then they they the nuclear sub you know finds the ship and torpedoes it and that the laws of war the Geneva Convention say that if it doesn't put your own ship at risk you are obligated under international law

“to try to save drowning sailors but you have to do the bare minimum also under the kind of”

common sense of humanity like you see somebody drowning it's it's like a meme you see something drowning like throwing a rope like that's what that's what we do we we prosecuted a Nazi at Nuremberg for not doing that right but in jet now often the Nazis did do it which say we're below we're below them at this point so Sri Lanka's Navy had to come out and get there as fast as they could and they managed to save I think 32 people from drowning more than 80 Iranians died and they died in the

attack and we and we posted the video as a with the caption something like this Iranian ship thought it was safe suckers you know you're not and so now that Indian so this is interesting too the Indian government is under enormous pressure because this is you know slap in the face to them if you noticed yesterday Trump lifted sanctions on Russia when it came to settling oil to India

“remember a few months ago the biggest thing that Trump was worked up about was that India was buying oil”

from Russia and he's like I'm going to do 25% sanctions and if we're tariffs I'm going to do 50% tariffs you stop buying oil from Russia now it's all fine India can buy oil from Russia and we're lifting the sanctions on Russian oil that to me feels like kind of blowback from this like that Modi's like I need I need something here you're you're killing me at home you gotta give me something like how do you just now know get billions out of this what do you think China and Russia what is the lens

through which they're viewing the current Iran conflict you know there was this really interesting argument being made by a guy for Barry Weiss's news outlet having reticure he's like yeah well he's like one of the smartest Israeli analysts out there and so they they said they're like their brightest light out there to make the best possible case they could that the war on Iran that the US is waging is not actually for Israel it's actually about China and he lays out this

case that you know there's oil that get China gets from Iran you can go read his case yeah

80 to 90% of its oil to China so you're like oh you see that number you're like wow that really

involves China a lot that makes up something like 5 to 15% of Chinese imports right they have plenty of oil that they can get from elsewhere and also think about it if we replace this government if we manage to do a regime change and we put in a new government that Donald Trump says is wonderful like finds finds his delcy Rodriguez why would that country not sell oil to China like that that they make no sense of course yeah they'll sell to well they'll sell to everybody like they're

they'll Iran will still be a country right that it will still produce oil yeah it would still have economy and it's one of their they're trying to have an economy unless unless Havi is saying that what Trump really wants to do is blockade China from buying oil from anybody around the world

“like is that sure China would have something to say about that I think they might I think they might”

what do you think about the chances of boots on the ground coming not coming I think special I think the chances of special forces are getting pretty high reportedly we sent Curtis troops in a ready with special forces and then and then as we reported actually you guys immediately wasn't true so that was fascinating that was that was leaked by the Israelis it seems that the invasion is going to happen as you can you can get that wrong you know and then it doesn't end up happening

they said thousands of Kurdish fighters have invaded Iran and are currently fighting inside Iran right that was the reporting from a bunch of outlets um and clearly seen to be source from Israel we we talked to all of these different Kurdish sources and all of them are like this no it's not happening like not not casting judgment on whether it should but it it literally is not happening about and then and then this Kurdish this Iranian Kurdish base inside Iraq was bombed

which maybe was from Iran who thought that the reports were true maybe it was from Israel who's

“like trying to rile them up and say you need to go in there we don't know but it's not happening”

like so the invasion is not happening so the U.S. is putting enormous pressure on them to go in

the problem is in 1991 we we told the Kurds to rise up in northern Iraq they rose up

and then Saddam massacre them it's always we then we then supported them in Syria to go against ISIS and a couple months ago we sold them out so so the Kurds have been saying publicly got like all right 1991 that's one thing and also all of the betrayals going back hundreds of years but like yeah 90 one is one thing you sold us out like two months ago right right you know that's insane yeah it's unbelievable you think like but they're still they're still

calculating like you know because they're under a lot of pressure to do it and you know Bush in Obama we're actually pretty decent for northern Iraq the Kurdish region so they're kind but they're comfortable too they're like we've got our autonomy we're happy like yeah why

get involved like what do you think you know I'm hearing the Qatar's basically saying we want to

pull our money out of the American economy Saudi Arabia you know saying similar things you know people are really upset out there I mean this could be a massive you know collapse financially here I mean what what is Jared Christian doing right now is he calling these people on the phone going hey relax the yeah he's got to because he's so much of his business relies on the golf economy continuing to produce oil and gas and and dollars and then funneling those

dollars into the grifts that the Trump organization the coastal organization or or operating you know set aside the entire AI grift that is the U.S. economy at this point also it obviously this should be obvious to people but that stuff is the backbone of everything else like you just you if you's if the oil and gas stop coming out we stop making a aluminum stop making chlorine right you know stop making the copper like the the basics of our

economy then we can't make semiconductors and then like and that happens as it's it's almost as if

“people forget like March 2020 like you remember how quickly right like the entire world fell apart”

from supply chain shocks yeah wasn't that long ago it's like so that is that that is kind of a run strategy I think is to hold is to like they they cannot withstand like they are already

so they can they can weather this final question how it is you buy cannot to buy cannot right

final question for you how does this play out what is your prediction from what you know from what you've seen obviously so many things could change I mean you know what do you think happens here does Trump say hey we won even though we didn't and just get to hell out of there or does this you know I've seen reports that depend upon his asking for money and some troop commitments in terms

“until September right like what is this or are we talking about this under life forth I think the”

most the most hopeful outcome at this point would be Trump stairs into the abyss or the actuality of a global financial crisis that he sparked and declares victory and just stops bombing right and says we here's the list of things I want to accomplish you know I obliterated their ballistic missile program I obliterated their nuclear weapons I killed the eye at all I maybe will kill his son before the end of the day is over and so we won and and everyone tells

me that it's the most incredible you know war battery that anybody has ever seen but the

“revolutionary guards still could control the country and you're right exactly well it's really”

allowed that to happen that's that is the that is an interesting question now is Israel if if Israel feels that they have been sufficiently militarily degraded that they've they don't have many ballistic missiles left their Tehran looks like Gaza that that they can then continue to do routine operations like this they you know with Gaza as you know they call it mowing the lawn yeah and in the 90s in Iraq this was kind of what the west would do to Iraq put them under sanctions

and polished it and then every six months go bomb it and then we can it so when 2003 came along and you just kind of pushed it over then of course it became a gigantic catastrophe through the occupation and everything else but that was that was their vision like Iraq was too strong in the 80s to take out if you take a decade of just pummeling it relentlessly you tweak it so maybe Israel's okay with pausing yeah and then and then six months later they go in and bomb them again

and then six months after that and right on and on well Ryan Grim drop site news thank you so much we're very grateful that you and Jeremy came on and everybody should go and read your stuff you

“guys are great and this I think helped a lot of people understand the mast it were in but I don't know”

how much hope it's given us but that's never been the point of this show my career or anything

I've been involved in Ryan Grim drop site news thank you very much yeah you got it anybody knows Trump just tell him it's a beautiful win just take the win it's the win we did it we won very good you won all right Ryan this will be out in a few hours thank you you're the best thank you sir appreciate it you're happy with what you're seeing the most and I want to do something I want to do what I'm going to get you and when it's worth just a mega star sign so far I'm going to bring you all the things I want to do and I want to do what I want to do for you

I want to stay in love with you and I want to stay in love with you but not not not a lot of things no I want to be a real I feel like there's not much to do in the handwork we're doing career with the feeling that the handwork