Buckley Carlson: Writing Trump’s Speeches, Trump’s Shocking Texts to MTG, and the Epstein Cover-up

If you really hate Donald Trump, probably filled with hate for the United States, probably

“hate whites, probably anxious to give kids the COVID vaccine, castrate boys and put non-binary”

people on the swim team or whatever, but there was pretty much for about a decade, a one-to-one correlation between disliking Donald Trump, hating Donald Trump, Trump's arrangements syndrome, and liberalism, or it's sort of a weird American manifestation. But now in a weird moment and even stranger moment, where a lot of people who really like Trump are very disappointed in Trump, in fact more than disappointed, feel but trade

are in rage, feel like suckers, feel like they've been taken for a ride, how could I possibly have supported that given what it became? A lot of people seem to feel that way, but do a lot of people seem to feel that way, do they actually feel that way? According to polls on CNN, 100% of MAGA voters still support Trump. Is that real? Well, it's really hard to know given how fraudulent so much polling is. So we thought we would speak to the one person

we know who sincerely supported Trump from the very beginning. Roat speeches for Trump in 2015 voted for Trump three times, new people within the Trump White House worked with the Trump White House, and all along that period 10 years supported Trump in public, not on television, which is easy, but in his own neighborhood, which was 100% Trump haters. That person is my brother, it turns out, Buckley Carlson, Uncle Buck as he's known to us, and so we thought we would sit down and ask him,

are we imagining this? Did the guy you supported from 2015 in the face of social sanction, like you wouldn't believe? Did that guy just betray everything you believe and the reasons you supported in the first place? Are we imagining this? Is it real? Here's the conversation we had with Uncle Buck. You were the first person I knew personally who supported Donald Trump,

“and I remember thinking later when I thought about it. I was like, you're a lifelong resident,”

40 year resident in Washington, DC, which voted for Trump in 2016 at 4.1%. So you were in the 4% of district residents who supported Trump and you're a wasp and that's the group that hated Trump most. How did you wind up supporting Trump in like 2015? The departure? Trump represented

a departure that I had never seen in Washington. He was, first I should say, I knew him my entire

life as anybody who grew up in the 80s. Right, because he was such a, I didn't know him personally, I know you did, but I knew of him as everybody around us did, because he was such a carnival barker of self-promotion, gold dip, braggado show, lying. I mean, he was a performer, and he was the creator of his own story, which on the one hand was disgusting, because he was a man of obvious fault. I mean, he was gross and loud and rash and crude and a serial adulterer,

and all the things that you probably wouldn't want to be and certainly wouldn't want your children

“to be. Well, that's why the wash didn't like him, because he bragged about himself. Yes,”

which is like, you know, rule one, you can't do that. His way. My children didn't like, you know, it's like, it's like, yeah, so that was a massive hurdle. I mean, they already had a candidate called Jeb Bush. I was aware. I was compelled actually for the first time ever, but some of my clients actually contributed Jeb Bush. But he was the consensus choice of his people. I mean, he converted to Catholicism might put no one really took that seriously. He was super-threaded

Episcopalian, like everyone knew this is our guy. He was his time. It was, yes, it was the adult in the

room. I remember early on actually raised $100 million famously, obviously, and he was just the guy

that was going to take us. But did you even know anyone who didn't support him? I didn't know a single person who didn't support him. No, but he had his domestic policy, his foreign policy, everything about him, nothing about him was exciting. All of it was poll-tested as everything in Washington had been above the wall. The moment Trump came on the scene. Right. And Trump was very, if not articulate, he was, he had baseline messages that were unassailable and that he repeated with great repetition.

And the things that he espoused and talked about endlessly were things that I believed in and things

from Trump the man were super attractive. And it was such a departure from what we'd seen from every other elected official, especially, obviously, was the end of the Obama years, which were such a disappointment. But also the destruction of weak, poll-tested, very well packaged candidates, like, who's that forgettable Utah Senator Maronsman? Oh, yeah. No, wrongly. And of course, so Trump talked about actually focusing on America, repairing the problems that this entire

class of people had brought upon us, the American said it. But you were in that class of people. And you literally worked for a polling, the most famous polling company, and you were in politics,

and you live in Northwest Washington, D.C. and, like, basically, Trump is calling for the destruction

“of your world. I didn't see it that way because I think these people had already destroyed our”

world, and I'd seen it up close and personally, not only in the education system, but in the environment around me, we lived in a much dirtier country, we lived in a country that wouldn't even embrace any of the things that were great about America that I had grown up embracing, not just freedom, not just individuality, but cleanliness and Christian principles. And we had such a wonderful country when I was growing up, and it had been transformed, you could see it in Washington,

probably better than you could see it, even in border states, the disconnect between what

people had voted for, what people wanted, what they continually expressed that they wanted from

their Republican leaders. And they were denied it every time. And Trump came in and said, look, there's an end of that. This is unacceptable. We failed over the past 30 years. I've seen it up close and personal. Aside from all of his obvious foibles and his disgusting elements of his personality, he was, it seemed someone who had been steeped, he built things. And very few people built things by the time Trump came along. We were not in a manufacturing society at that point. And even

if I didn't like his golden name on all sorts of properties, he had employed a ton of people. He had actually contributed to the economy. He had been saying a lot of these financial. I wasn't really steeped in the financial world and didn't understand our trade policies. But when Trump explained how beneficial it was to the rest of the world rather than America or trade policies, I actually paid attention and read up and then in realized that he was telling the truth.

And then everything he said about the border, which you can see if you traveled around America, which I certainly did, the degradation of America was obscene. And the destruction of things that

“I had held dear my entire life, and I think most Americans did, it was. Trump represented a return”

to normalcy. And then of course I was totally enamored of his personal strength and his ability to. There's no one who has been more attacked than Donald Trump, obviously over the last decade, but nothing more aggressively than when he first came down that escalator and announced for president like he was attacked by absolutely everybody in the world, not just the left, not just the media, but as you said, everybody on the right took him as a joke. It's like actually

we're not electing individuals we're electing the policies that they will defend and put forward when they're in office. And Trump articulated a very small set of priorities that I really found attractive. And did so with calm and repetitiveness that seemed legit and sincere.

Especially the more he was attacked because he never ended. And I'd never seen that in American politics,

ever. And you've been around it a lot. Been around a lot. And actually jumping forward a decade and Trump has expanded the coalition so aggressively. Back when he started the ideas and Republican Party about expanding the coalition were not harnessing the things that were

“right about America. It was actually surrendering to, you know, speaks Spanish if you want to appeal”

to new voters. Don't talk about the cultural degradation of America because that will turn people off. Trump flipped that over, flipped that on its head completely and said, actually there's a lot about America. We should and we'll be defending. And so that attracted me too. I love that about him. Everyone loves relaxing at home. Cozy Earth can maximize that experience. If you haven't tried their robes or their slippers, you may be missing out. Soft, breathable, lightweight, the epitome

of comfort, perfect for slow mornings, put one on after the shower, hang out in front of the fire, you put on the robe, you don't want to take it off. We haven't even mentioned the slippers,

wear them to Walmart, no one will say anything. With Mother's Day coming up, Cozy Earth can provide

“the perfect gift, something she will use and appreciate every day. If you're nervous about”

making a purchase, don't worry, Cozy Earth backs everything with a hundred-night sleep trial and a ten-year warranty all risk-free. Visit CozyEarth.com, use the code Tucker for 20% off, that's CozyEarth.com, from a code Tucker for 20% off, we've got a post-purchase survey mentioned you heard about CozyEarth from us on this show. Wow. When did you get involved? The end of 2015, I got hooked up with people in Trump's orbit and was still a very embryonic campaign. I mean, the entire campaign was mostly

a media campaign even throughout the whole 16 effort, but early on, never stop. You're media

campaign. Never stop being a media campaign, but there were a few people around him who were actually producing work. So I got in touch with them or through, I got connected through common friend of ours and ended up writing some early speeches for Trump and Stephen Miller. I was corresponding with Stephen Miller and writing some early speeches for Trump. That's crazy. I didn't realize that at the time. I don't think I took Trump seriously at all until the summer of

15, probably when our friend Patrick Feeney and Mayan told me that he was thinking about voting for Trump or Bernie Sanders, they seem very similar to him and I was like, I don't even know what

you're talking about. They're polar opposites and my brain started to change, I started to see the

obvious, but you were already on it. That's so interesting. I mean, it's a lot to ask anybody to understand his own motives, but why do you think, to be said, you can analyze it, why do you think you living in a political world with a political job being from a group of people who hated Trump, living in a neighborhood that hated Trump, why were you uniquely able to see the things that your neighbors couldn't, like the degradation of America and connect that to the policies that

produced it and what could nobody else? Maybe it was because I had actually worked in Washington for so long. I hadn't been born in Washington, but I moved there as a teenager and then I had worked in politics, elected politics, and then corporate America, but very much adjacent to political world and worked with pollsters and people who messaged tested and I had worked closely with the Republican coalition when they got back in power in '94. And I saw the extent that people were

phony. There was a huge disconnect between their personal lives and how they voted and how they campaigned. And super gay. And very much in our party, which I was surprised by, because the left

was always crazy and they were always sort of attracted these people. At least they were open

about it, the Bernie Franks of the world. At least yeah, yeah, totally. There were lifestyles,

“but the Republican party was completely empty and I had also lived through empty, what do you mean?”

They had no principles that they were willing to stand up for and I had seen it. I probably had the starkest example was John McCain, who had grown up really respecting, was at a time in America when people actually celebrated more heroes. I thought he was a war hero at that time. I'm someone they learned differently. But it was when he attacked the tobacco industry early on when I was first working for corporate America, a big PR firm and he had led the charge against

the big tobacco and had been a grandstander and a phony. And I had known him personally and really liked him as a person. I did too. I really liked him as a guy. Yeah, he was hilarious. It's hilarious. And physically tough, I thought. He was physically tough and he was also sorry to say that a lot of he was a wasp and he had grown up and he got into physical high school and he just had excellent manners. He was funny in a way that I could relate to. He had a kind of heart to him,

a kind of physical courage that I, of course, you know, we grew up admiring that. And I was completely taken in by his persona or so, not even the war stuff, but just his sort of, I don't know, style. I understood it immediately and I liked it. He was the guy who was totally approachable.

“Yeah, remember early on in my political career that I would come across him at fundraisers and”

cocktail parties and he's the guy I have a gravitate to and stand next to the bar and chat with because yeah, so approachable and totally funny. So funny. Yeah. And he did, he seemed, that was representative of a really different time. I mean, that was, you know, the Lindsey Graham's of the world walk around with huge security details. Oh, I know. And we're so honored to explain that to him. But John McCain didn't. John McCain was a man's man. Exactly. And he was, as I said, I thought physically

tough. So no, that is such a smart point. Like, men did not have security details. It's just a show

detail. And it's culturally, we don't do that. Plus he seemed capable of beating and adapting

his comb. I mean, I totally agree. I mean, all of this is like lost on people now, but no, I completely a security detail. What? Who do you think you are? Absolutely shameful. No. And he had a kind of, again, not to make it anything. But this is a cultural thing. He was like a kind of wasp egalitarianism to him. Fair enough. That was a completely real. Like he would have a legit conversation with the waiter. Yes, was not a rank guy. Like these fraudulent new money

insecure people. He was like a real guy. Yes. Is that, is that fair? Fair enough. So plus hilarious. It's very, very, very. Demonstrates one obviously not only a high intellect, but a certain comfort with people. And if you can talk to your constituents, or I wasn't really constituent of this, but I was, you know, a 23 year old and I was an American and he made me feel like my opinion mattered. And he could, he wasn't self-conscious. He was not a big apologizer. He didn't think

about what he said. And Trump was the same way. Trump was like, we'd see, but get, go back to the McCain thing. I knew McCain very, very, I mean, intimately well. And, uh, and was, and, and really liked him, as I said, but the tobacco thing, tell me what, why that was significant to you, because I agree with that. Well, tobacco represented, first of all, not only like one of the biggest

commercial products that we have in America, I always thought it was sort of entwined with American

freedom. A history. 100%. We had all these tobacco producing states all around, you see, of course, but in the south. That was the point of the colony. 100%. Absolutely. They find, and they threw the tobacco bells and coffee bells, but tobacco as well. Um, tobacco was a great American heritage product. And as a consumer who enjoyed tobacco, I always sort of respected it. And, but it tied in also with a sense of personal responsibility, which we never seen now, as there was a, you know,

“you had the freedom to smoke. May it be bad for you. Yes, I think every smoke for new is probably”

bad for you. You have the obvious, uh, you cough, you get pneumonia every year. You smell bad. Your teeth turn brown. Whatever. No one, no one was surprised when the attorneys came out and said smoking

spad for you. But the hypocrisy, first of all, the overreach of someone in the Republican

Party supposedly champion of free markets and freedom and personal freedom would go after and go reinstant about the tobacco companies and how they had lied about the addictive properties of tobacco. When everybody knew they were addictive, the majority of country smoked at that time. We had come from a smoking heritage. Um, and not only that, the majority of governments, including state governments, were well invested in tobacco. They had taken a lot of, you know, public employees,

investment funds, and invested in Philip Morris and RJR, and Brown and Williamson, and the other big ones. Uh, I guess those are the laurel, laurel, or laurel are, for give me. Uh, so American tobacco was intertwined with the American experiences, far as I understood it. And if you're going to go after, it's like going after the foundation of your company. It's on your country. It's wrong on so many level. I agree. Such a kick in the crotch. I think. And he did it in a, in a grandstandy,

fraudulent way. Yes, very much so. And, and also did it at the last minute. And he, I can't

“remember, he was, he, I think he was chairman of the Senate Finance Committee. I'm not sure”

why they had per view over it. And I wrote, intricately in this, uh, in defense of the tobacco companies at the time when they came up with their, um, their huge settlement which involved a lot of humiliation. What was discussed? They paid for their understruction, uh, at the to the detriment of individual Americans, but also to the detriment of people who had been invested into tobacco. And to the enrichment of like the trial lawyers and like totally disgusting little

501 C3s, like campaign for tobacco free kids, Michael Byers. It's like the worst people in the world, one, some of the best people lost. And the people making the deals sold their own dignity, and for what did public health get better? Did the life expectancy in this country rise? No, it went down. I think John Cole got a really big boat out of it. And I think Dickie Scrugs also, you know, brother-in-law to, to trend a lot at the time with some majority leader. I mean, it

seemed like a setup and it was offensive and indominated political discourse for a couple of years.

“And it, country actually hasn't recovered from that. I agree. I agree. Did it make you quit smoking?”

No, I probably actually went from a two, two-pecadda to three-pecadda smoke. There were some benefits actually because Philip Morrison, RJR, would send that they had, it was right around the time too,

wrapped in a big faux cream cheese case. And you'd open it up and we'd have cartons of cigarettes and Novisco crackers and all sorts of cookies and chocolates. And the original non-smoking cigarette they had to, which tasted terrible. It was awful. It was awful. But it was a neat concept. We didn't heat the tobacco rod and burn it, right? Yes. You get your nicotine, but it was disgusting.

“That was if Philip Morrison, I believe that was if Philip Morrison brought it. Yeah, they said it to me.”

And I try to remember smoking in my office thinking, who would smoke that? Yeah. Now it was like, it was like trying Brussels sprouts each time I did it. I was like, I'm kind of like this.

I want people to never try to, it's repulsive. But that was a huge sense of betrayal early on.

And then when he ran, I was wary of John McCain and then when he ran for President, got the nomination. He totally fumbled it. And it seemed like it was an absolute surrender to this unknown. But obviously Marxist-based anti-American candidate in February, anti-white, anti-American, candidate. And he, that was not his to lose. That was ours to lose. And he did that on our behalf. And you think he threw the fight? He refused to, I mean, in the heels of 9/11, he refused publicly

and excuriated people for saying pointing up Barack Obama's real name, Barack Obama, or Barry Satour, or talking about his early years in Indonesia, talking about his church that he went to in this anti-American anti-white church, talking, refusing to talk about any of his heritage,

which was obviously fabricated and dishonest. It was the first time I think in American history

that a presidential candidate was not only not vetted at all, but you were excluded from knowing anything about him of any relevance. And John McCain, who was the standard bearer, the Republican Party at the time, had an obligation actually to be the top-watch dog about his opponent. That's your job. Your job is to fight a battle and he refused to fight it.

“So I never forget him for that. That's such a smart point. I was too close to it even to get that.”

But cost of living is already making it hard to live here and it's not getting any better. Unfortunately, it's likely to get worse and a lot of Americans fill the gap with credit cards, not just for fancy dinners, but to cover things like groceries and bills. That is a disaster. It's understandable, but don't go down that road because there is a tax in effect to survival tax of 20% interest or more. Why would you do that? Why would you hand money to the big banks

when you can keep it for your family? Our friends at American financing have a better way. If you're looking to buy your first home or refinance or current one, they're helping Americans achieve the dream of a ownership with monthly mortgage rates currently in the fives. American financing saves its customers and average of 800 bucks per month. That's nearly 10

“grand every year back to you. This is just alone. It's a total financial reset.”

So debt is tough, but there's a smart way to do it in a reckless self-destructive way to do it, credit cards. And so we recommend American financing. They're salary based, not commission based, which means they actually work for you, not the banks. They're called America's home for home loans for a reason called 800, 685, 56, 96, 800, 685, 56, 96 are visit American financing.net/tucker. So then we have eight years of Obama and it becomes pretty clear in the second term that

like he hates the country. He's leading. He really hates white people. Tons of white's voted for him. Tons of white's voted for him because he was saying we're going to get rid of race consciousness in this country and treat people as citizens and human beings. And we can move past the division of the like disgusting civil rights movement thinking and which just anti-white zero-sum and the grant park speech was like, I didn't vote for him obviously, but I was like,

I hope this is true. It turned out to be opposite of the truth. It was just like hated whites. And so by the time that ended in 2016, like it was a different country,

I had never seen anybody be, I mean, it was a whole new time. My son was young. He was in a

private school at the time that embraced all of those anti-white passages separation. I mean, it was literally the new. They talked about Jim Crow while they're instituting Jim Crow in educational world and all throughout society and people in DC embraced it heavily. People I had known. All of a sudden we came from a country that was happy, self-confident, really proud of America,

that to a degree that was disgusting. But it also meant you could no longer have an informed discussion.

I remember I had been in Washington for 20 years at that point and I had Democratic friends. I had tons of Democratic friends. You could have a normal conversation, a normal meal. And it was during the Obama years, I noticed that you couldn't even have a conversation with these people that would just cut you off to get instantly angry, obviously born of some sort of cowardice on their part or regret. But they were so vicious against, open discourse.

They couldn't defend their candidate, where in that case they're present at that point, but they also couldn't discuss it. And they hated you for pointing out if you just said simply as I did to several Democrats. I'm not attacking Obama. Just tell me why you support this man as our president. Tell me what he's doing to strengthen our country.

“And they would look blank or angry. And that was pervasive, I think, on the left.”

So then Trump starts making noises about running in 2015. And it's not even on the radar of most people in DC that I remember. It's like Trump. And I talked to Trump. He called me in 2015. So I'm going to run. And I said, I don't, I don't believe you. I think you're selling another book. I'd seen him do this before 15 years previous, you know, the campaign was a book tour. Yes. And he said to me, I think I'm going to surprise you this time. But I still didn't take him

seriously really, but you did. And you reached out to people. What did you think of the people around Trump done? There weren't many. I was very impressed actually by Steven Miller's intellect and his writing ability. Yep. And his commitment to immigration reform, closing the border. I thought he was a true believer on that. Yep. I did too. Thank you probably. Well, he certainly

“was at the time. He was a great writer. And he was easy to talk to. And I thought committed.”

I don't know what his motivations were, but he seemed like he actually was on board for the long home. Yeah. That's an end. And I will say my entire life at a lemon voting barely messed the 88 election, but I'm in voting since 92. And in every four years they would say this is the existential election. Like this is the election that really is going to determine the path we're on. And by the time 16 came around, it really seemed with the hangover and the depressing anti-American

anti-white. The Obama program was so dispearting to witness the wreckage I felt socially. That this was the existential election in 16. I felt that strongly. So Trump was the only one. Everybody else. I mean, Chip Bush's program I couldn't even tell you what it was. It was forgettable at the time. But it was the same talking ones that had been using for two decades referencing Ronald Reagan, who I was personally impressed by, but it's not really relevant

and during the Iraq war and war and all that stuff. So and the degradation that America had experienced that was so overwhelming at that time. It seemed like an existential election and Trump seemed fully committed. And by the time it came around to the debates in the end when he got the when he finally got the nomination. This is a man who had withstood every single personal degradation. You could possibly imagine an every attack from every quarter of the country.

I was fully committed to his program and thought he was real. What kind of speeches did you write for Trump? Mostly about immigration stuff. Rally speeches early on. Yeah. Her during the middle of the campaign, probably not. I'm trying to think when it was late in 15. That's

amazing. I didn't even know you were doing that. I had a lot of freedom to do that was the other

thing. The stuff that I delivered. It was had a lot of freedom to had a lot of license. I felt

“like I was writing for my own perspective and that's how that's all lined I was with what Trump”

had articulated. It was like some of the easiest speeches to write because they were honest and straightforward and pugnesious and unapologetic. Right. Straight forward pugnesious. That came naturally to you. And you don't see a lot of that. I mean, normally when you're writing for a candidate, you've got the lawyer like, they can't be managed or some dip-shick and sold and breathing over your shoulder. You can't say that. You need to soften that. You need to help really see you

end up with something that's not even distinguishable from the other side. Trump was not just distinguishable from the laugh. He was distinguished himself from the rest of the 19 sub-part candidates

who were running. But they were all representative of that time. And so I was man. I never really,

loved the fact that he never backed down, especially with these people barking in his face and

“climbing. He was the worst man on the planet. Racist. Someone, I think it may have been you, said,”

"We're not hiring the guy to babysit our children." And that was just intuitive to me. It's like, I'm pretty sure. But he was an outsider too. And also he seemed like at a pretty cohesive family at the time. I mean, that attracted me also. It seemed like at a decent relationship with his children. Yes, I don't know. I was running everything. Right? He seemed like a good thing. Yes, very much so. And a huge departure from what you'd seen, because I'd seen tons of candidates up close

who's children were, you know, drugs or drug addicts or suicidal or hated their families, hated their parents. And we're losers. And they seemed the opposite of that. They seemed like they also believed in a heritage America. They believed in building stuff, creating jobs, creating prosperity. And even though he was supposedly a billionaire, he was a guy who understood the working man. He understood how the country worked. Sorry to go on so long, but I was

“going to say when I did early research, I didn't know a lot about our trade policies at the time.”

I just didn't know the details. And he talked a lot about it. Probably second only to immigration. And when I started doing research on it, I was shocked the amount of stuff that we had given away, just gratuitously surrendered to the rest of the world in our trade policies. And how that

had an effect on our manufacturing. I'd always blamed the Clintons for the free trade and our

agreements with Mexico and Canada, cleaning out manufacturing. I was aware of that. I'd seen it happen. But I didn't realize how deep the portrayal was until I started doing research. That's Trump's job control policies. I just hadn't been focused on it. Spring is the most refreshing time of year. Nothing compliments better than black rifle coffee, lots of it. This is an American company founded by veterans with conviction.

They built the whole thing around a simple idea. Do it right or just don't do it. They're definitely doing it right. We know because we drink it all day long. If you want coffee without the actric, start with just black, hold being a few grindier, self-ground if you don't. No sweeteners design disguised media. No seasonal gimmicks, masking weak beans. Just bold American roasted coffee that delivers

what it promises and if you prefer variety without lowering the bar, try these supply drop

variety rounds, a curated lineup of pod rows that rotate in, but never compromise strength.

Consistency standards discipline out with water down blends in with pure American coffee. You can grab just black or supply drop variety rounds that Amazon are going to write to black rifle coffee.com to stock up from the source. Black rifle coffee, veteran founded American roasted still standing, still brewing. It's interesting. So the winter of 2015, your writing speeches for Trump, I'm just starting to realize this might be the answer

“or I should at least be open-minded enough. I think it was January of 16 that I decided I'm”

totally for Trump and wrote a piece about it. But the winter that winter, I remember being at a Christmas party, you may have been there in our neighborhood on Wall Street in Northwest at a friend's really good friends house and everyone's there. Every family you know is there. All of our kids, you know, it's like December 23rd, kind of pot luck, just great, great people, great friends. And we live next to for so long. And my wife who's totally a politicalist, people

that are all grousing about Trump. I can't believe that. You know, he's a racist. My wife totally non-political wife goes, I like Trump. And I remember someone and everyone, of course, likes my wife. So, but someone laughed like, oh, yeah, I like Trump too, and she's not, I really do. Like, someone needs to stand up for, I don't know, people who've been shafted and none of them live here, but there are a lot of them in this country. And like, I like Trump. People were enraged with her.

Like, oh, I don't know, I've ever seen anyone mad at my wife. It's just like, no one's ever mad at her, but they were mad. And embarrassed. And like, I can't believe there's someone who in the room with me who could like, Trump, and she, of course, like didn't even notice people say, oh, no, what's wrong with that? But that was the response that she got. You were already kind of a more, I mean, you brought your son to a Piscobal School on a Harley Davidson. So, like,

obviously, you were a more controversial figure of the neighborhood. What kind of response did you get? I had the benefit of working, I say for myself, but working from home with a couple of clients that I'd had since 2004. So, I'd already really enjoyed have a good relationship with them personally. And I worked on issues that mean something to me that I could defend. And I had a light a lot of license to speak my mind if I had an opportunity to do so. So, I never, I just didn't

because we grew up in a different America where you could express yourself and people expected

you to and there was never any apology. You may be wrong, you may be dumb, but you can say what you think.

“And so, I just never, I'm so fortunate that I was never forced to think that way, I guess. I think”

that's the reason. And then I was just going to say, if you did, you know, every four years, they do the blind candidate thing where they describe the candidate without the name without the history is just literally a policy prescription, what this person stands for. And if you did that with Trump at any time during his campaigns and you just separated the man from the policy, his his policy is more closely aligned with my worldview and my sense of what it means to be

America and America and to be a self-confident man who loves your country. Like, I've never,

I started jumping ahead, but I have never, even knowing how Washington works, even seeing the

vitro that he encountered and the overwhelming opposition from not just political Washington, but the media and the corporate world and everybody else who took some so seriously, it was during Trump's inauguration speech the first time. And if you read that speech as I did, this is unimpeachable. This is not controversial. These things that he is saying is such a breath

“of fresh air that no man in American politics has ever had the balls to say. Why is that?”

Like, how is it that we suddenly, we are in a country now where it's embarrassing to say that the reason you have elected officials is so they can take care of America and Americans to this day. I didn't understand it then. I don't understand it now. Maybe I'm disappointed, but I think you do understand it. I do understand it. I think you know what's going on there. I'm very angry about it. But this is one of those topics. You're like, I don't understand what's happening here.

It is unimpeachable to say that we're of course it is. Of course it is. Of course it is. So yeah, I actually, it was at that point that I really started to love the people who were against Donald Trump's program. Yes, you could laugh at him. Yes, you could say take issue with some of moronic things that he says or the inconsistent things he would say. But he was very consistent about sticking up for America and Americans. First and foremost,

in always. And put a Trump bumper sticker on your truck. Oh, no. I did. And I'm not a bumper sticker

guy at all. And I did it. I did it a little bit as an act of rebellion because I was aware. I was aware. I mean, I lived in a, you know, in a neighborhood that, you know, had a lot of rainbow flags. A lot of anti war signs, which totally anti war, but the idea that you're displaying your political views on your car or your lower on, I just find kind of reference. When you live in a city that voted, you know, 4.1% for Trump. Yes, it kind of gives you license to,

because you know, everybody agrees with you. It's a one party state. I mean, that reflects them an easy to be one of them. I don't think Albania under Enver Hoja had margins like that. I mean, that is just a, that's truly just one party state. So it doesn't make people's behavior better at all. But you decide when you know that 96% of the people in your city disagree with

“you to let them know what you think. That's what it means to be an American man. I totally agree.”

Right. Amen. Nicely put. So what kind of responses you get to your, why, the bumper sticker said, is I, is I recall because I was just, I was in love with it. It amazed by it. And two cowardly to put it on my own car. It said, pro god pro life pro gun pro Trump. No, it was actually, but it was during the Trump era. So it wasn't explicitly pro drum, but it's certainly captured. It was, and I had a picture. It was pro god pro gone pro life anti-abominant and had the,

oh, anti-abominant said, and people reacted exactly as you would expect. Very few people would a cost man traffic. Beep their horn, flick me off, yell at me. My car would get defaced off. And I also had a small American flag in the back of my car that I had to keep replacing because people would steal it. But most people would just divert their eyes and disgust. And I don't know. There's the kind of people that just couldn't care less about their opinion.

Even though there are 96% of the population in the city live in. Yes. I had a lot of friends in D.C. I love D.C. I love delivery. Oh, I love delivery, you're great. But imagine them in there now. But no, I also lived on kind of a, lived on a cold sack with a lot of like-minded people just sort of by accident. And, and also the kind of people that would be a, averse to those messages,

Don't have the courage to attack you for it because they're spying less wheynies anyway. Yeah. Who's

wives hate them? I totally agree with that. We saw a lot of that. Yes. Exactly. Right. Yeah. Those are the guys who's wives hate on you. For sure. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry to say that out loud, but it's literally true. Was it not true? Yes. It is. Yeah. That's the route to adulterate a wife who's unimpressed and doesn't honor her husband doesn't respect him. It works as he doesn't have

“that spine. That's exactly right. Yeah. Week men make unhappy women. Was there a rise in female cheating?”

Because there's a rise in week men. That's just the fact. Sorry to say that. No. I started playing the victims, but it is absolutely right. Then the Trump real Act 2020, you, I remember you wearing a shirt. Now by this point, you know, I'm defending Trump every single day on Fox News on a,

not always Trump the man, but certainly Trump's policies and certainly attacking people who are

attacking Trump because it became a kind of handy guide to who was against the country's most basic interest to people who are hysterical about Trump. Was a political calendar, I like to say. Yes. People and it just separated those who were pro-American and reasonable. Right. Yeah. From the rest. And the anti-white stuff, which was always the foundation of it. It's like if you hate whites, you hate Trump, even though Trump was in no sense or like pro-white or anything, but

whatever that even means, but he was an equal opportunity lover. I got the sense. I mean,

“he'd add a very public life. I think he liked all kinds. And he was nice. Well, there's that,”

which I never wanted to say in public, but I'm, but it's well known. It's well known. Yeah. Exactly. I don't even hesitate even to say it now, but like Trump could pretty easily prove he wasn't a racist. If you know what I mean? Sorry. That's just true. Yes. I don't think it's ever been written. But talk about demonstrable. Talk about demonstrating your love for all. You don't write? I mean, you don't know. No, you're right. If you can do that,

then you could do anything. You would support someone. If you could sleep with someone, then you would support them. If you're, if you're colorblind in your sexual aspirations, you're colorblind in everything else. Right? That's completely fair. Yeah. That's completely

fair. No, Trump is a racist. Was that I always felt like there are things wrong with Trump

have always been. I overlooked most of them or just tried to ignore them or whatever. And some of them, I honestly enjoyed, you know, his vulgarity or whatever. But, um, his sense of timing. It is a mate. No, there's so much about Trump that's amazing. I completely agree. But the idea that Trump is a racist, it would be like, well, that's actually the one thing he's not. Why are you calling him a racist? Not even true. Right. When you're talking about Trump is a racist,

“I just, I know, who came up with that? It's because they were race obsessed. That's why. Right.”

Because they really hated the whites. Yes. And they wanted to, they wanted to wait, and I have still to this, they don't understand why they hated the whites so much. Let's, let's give them the equal opportunity and credit. The, the Democratic Party also was an incredibly racist party. It didn't like the most. I mean, exactly. It didn't like anybody. Whatever your race obsessed, you're going to end up hating people in the basis of the race, just

periodists. Yes. And, but yet, Trump is racist. I was like the dumbest thing I've ever heard. When you go back a minute, once again, the famous quote, the fact, it meant there's another thing that I just so admired about Trump. But it bothered me. It has bothered me now for almost 10 years how people got the quote, the grab them by the pussy, quote, so wrong. Oh, I agree. Yeah, because the full quote if I'm not mistaken was, they let you when you're famous.

Yeah, to grab them by the pussy. So I thought that was worth some exploration, but no one else did. In what, in what sense? I totally. It was an indictment of American culture. It was an indictment of the kind of culture, actually, that Trump had perpetuated so aggressively over two. Right. That's right. Okay. It's the look at me, culture, the facade of success, the very shallow idea that you are, you know, that your worth is caught up in your bank account and your display

of wealth when that is such a total corrupting dead end. And it really has hurt the women in this country. It's been to their detriment, obviously. We get a lot of long conversation about the failures of feminism, but one of them is that women tried to aspire to a male sexual evoratiousness, that isn't conducive to them and also isn't beneficial to them because no man wants a woman who's been with a bunch of men. That's like, that's a law that's been around forever, a human law.

And no celebration of supposed freedom is going to obscure that fact. And so that, sorry,

allow you to do that. And I noticed that everybody cut that part of the quote out, even though

“I thought it was the most interesting part of the quote. He said that to a childhood friend of ours”

who was interviewing him and who's destroyed, just for being there, which was kind of crazy. Destroyed by his own employers and there friend was the NBC and Washington Post glue together to their detriment, but also to the detriment of their employee. It was though they destroyed their employee. No, I demonstrated of disloyalty. Yeah, I'm serving it to political people. We've grown up with a new really well and it was just the whole thing was sad, but you're absolutely

right. At the core was Trump's vulgar but unfortunately true claim that rich and famous men have a totally different standard of behavior that is allowed by women. Yeah. And you know, men should not act that way. Women shouldn't put up with it. Yeah. And that's a fact. And anyone who's been in rich and famous world as I have been a lot of my life knows that that's true. Yes. And it's a problem that has at least two authors, men and women. Yeah. Is it fair? Yes. Oh, completely. And

it also demonstrated how community was because he should have been there was ever a time. You should be overwhelmed by shame. It was that saying that in public and when it was pretty gross and embarrassing shocking. But the fact that he actually debated Hillary the next day and did a great job allowed me to believe that this was not about his personal ambition. This was a guy who actually cared about America, he's willing to subject himself to that kind of attack and not

“like fold up and crawl off and shame. Do you think Jeb could have was to the pressure?”

Apologize to my wife. I think as what he's I think that was like his refrain wake up at two o'clock in the morning every night sweating and apologize to my wife. I think he, sorry. I think he said that to Trump during one of the debates. I think Jeb Bush turned to Trump and said, Apologize to my wife. It's like no man demands an apology from another man who offends his wife. You're punch him in the face or you take care of it on your own. Don't you think? I mean if you're going to defend

your wife's honor, it's not on a debate stage with those kind of words. If Jeb had walked over and just smashed Trump in the face on the debate stage. perfectly appropriate. I may have a voted for him if he'd done some of that. If he'd been capable of doing something like that, otherwise he actually I don't ever revel in other people's misfortune. But one of the great things about Trump was his dynasty bashing, destroying the fact that he had destroyed the Bush

hold on the political world and the right was one of his greatest accomplishments. Even more

“so I think than destroying the Clintons because he's never really followed through with that and”

rather he's never prosecuted these people who are so outside the law. But he did peel back the mask

of these gallubalist pussies who have had such an effect on our lives for so long. Well he really meant it with the Bush's. He hated them because they're wasps. He hates wasps, but he's also obsessed with them. I've talked about it many times and he's obsessed with them and he feels, I mean the whole Marlaga was built when he was denied entry into the BNT. Which is like totally been lost to history. They're directly across the street for me,

each other and he built his club. I was happened to be there. I was in Palm Beach. It was any five or any six something like that. We were staying with our friends there. You were there and we're having lunch at the bath tennis club and everyone was like, oh, just go Donald Trump is building a club across the street for basically to give us the finger. I know we're not letting him or any of his friends in our club and I don't think they have to this day, 40 years later.

Anyway, that none of that was ever reported by anybody. I'm aware. Yeah, they're focused on the flag, which was pretty cool. There were a lot of, there were a lot of dynamics here. Going on that nobody ever wants to talk about what just happened to have witnessed them firsthand. So I know exactly what this was. But Trump's resentment toward the wasps was the driving force there. Really

and he was an outer bro's guy. I never felt accepted by them. I always wanted to be was bragging.

I went to Penn. I got a pen. You know, they never liked him. They never accepted him and boy did. He'd get them back. Yes, he did. And even to this day, I mean six weeks ago, I was talking about this. His resentment toward the bushes and it's ethnic and social. He acknowledges that literally a friend. No, of course not. But it's like, but he's very fixated on the wasp thing and

Um, but whatever, I don't care. I ignore it. But I grew up in America that's kind of fixated on the

“wasps too. Yeah, it is. Oh, yeah. I've noticed that too. Equal forever and hostility. Yeah, I don't”

know. But you know, you get what you put up with and they put up with it and like, oh, okay, you have a good point. Um, anyway, but yeah, no, he wanted to destroy the bushes because, you know, he didn't agree with their program, I guess. They said he didn't agree with their program, but the real reasoning wanted to destroy them was, you know, they go to the BNT and he doesn't. You don't think it was his anti-war position. I thought it was. Okay. So now, let me just say, just like, one of the reasons I'm

just so grateful to you is because you were there and you saw a lot of this stuff. And these

details just get lost and, you know, some details are not worth preserving because like who cares.

But some of them really are at the center of the question, like, this is why things happened. Yes. And everyone lies about everything all the time and you just want like somebody somewhere in the distant future to know what actually happened. Yes, preserve the truth, preserve the truth. That's preserve the truth. So I just want this to be a record of the truth and that, you know, status anxiety, which is a huge driver of human behavior. Is it not? Yes, a huge driver of

President Trump's behavior, huge driver of his behavior. You know, plays a role in all this stuff. These unannounced conflicts between groups for power and prestige and rank. These are big

questions. Yes. Yeah. What drives human behavior drives policy and then exactly. And so if you

have the total displacement after over 200 years of the American ruling class by a new group, that's a big thing. Yes. But nobody says a word about it. And I'm not even taking sides in it. Though, you know, obviously I have a side thing. I'm taking my legs. I want to take sides in it. But like that happened. It happened over 40 years. And now it's complete. And like no one can say that that happened or are you kidding? Yes, but good or bad. Like by the way, that is the story of history,

like groups displaced other groups and there's reasons for that. And survival of the fittest and all that, got it, not even to crying it. I'm just saying the fact that no one will acknowledge it that happened and that it had massive effects on everything and that it those resentments or aspirations drive behavior that has results that we see all around us. Like, and no one will say it. It's really shocking. It is. I remember I was seeing there was a girl called Katherine Rempel,

“Rempel. I think she worked the Washington Post, but she was like a fox contributor or something.”

Not impressive at all. But I was sitting on the set with her in a commercial break once. She was like a sort of liberal neocon type person, but not smart. Anyway, we're talking and I'm trying to be nice. And she's a younger person. I'm like, you know, where are you from? And I grew up in Palm Beach. You grew up in Palm Beach. That's sort of an internal Palm Beach. Don't go there any more, but I know it, you know, well. And she goes, yeah, I grew up there and something about this or that.

And she's like, yeah, and we move there and my dad sued the bath in tennis club for discrimination because they wouldn't let him in. And I'm listening to some like, he sued a country or dad. And if I'm getting this wrong, I just want to apologize, but I'm pretty sure I remember this conversation like it was yesterday. It's 10 years ago. Yeah, he sued because they wouldn't let us in. And I'm like, not so not my job to tell you that these are private associations. Like, I don't know

“what are you even talking about? Like, that's repulsive to me. A club should have, you should have”

the right to hang out with whoever you want to hang out on whatever basis you want to make that decision. But she was like, bragging about it. And I was like, the hatred behind that. It's like the desire to destroy something that you didn't build. It was like, so evident. This was gross. I hate her actually. That's what I realized talking to her. Plus, that she could be so unself-aware. And right now, Dan, that's the most repugnant thing. Of course, it dominates American

culture now. Oh, I know. Oh, I know. When we were, I know. No, I'm aware. No. Anyway, um, okay, so I just want to establish for people who aren't aware of all these dynamics, just that they do exist and they're absolutely consequential. And we're seeing their effects. But no one will tell us that. So in your specific case, 2020 comes around, Trump is running for reelection. And I go over to your house. We live obviously in the same neighborhood. And you're wearing a shirt that says Trump

reelect, reelect the MFR. And you're wearing this shirt. So I'm establishing all of this just so people understand that you were not a fair weather Trump voter. Is that fair? That's fair. Could I

Doug Davenport's a Washington figure who is like in the rare, the tiny group, yes, that you belong to of people who really were on the Trump program. Yes, supportive. What was, what was the experience of wearing that shirt? Like, at that time actually, you would, you could get, you know, shot. It seemed like, I'm not a big hack guy, but I did occasionally wear my maga hat that I got signed from Trump. And his, you know, I'm not very well attended, victory party in 2016. Did you go to that? I did.

Is there a till 430 in the morning? I walked in OG, Trump, and you're my only brother. I didn't. I mean, I knew that I saw you that night. I think, right? Yeah, I had dinner with you. Okay. Yes. No, I had dinner with you. You were in Fox. I remember. Right. That was in Fox. Right. It was like, what was I doing that night? It was sitting on a set with like, grumpy, brin human, with that guy from 60 minutes of sun. While it was. And they were like, ooh, look at the youth. It's couldn't

happen. And I was like, psyched and everyone hated me for being psyched. But we had dinner. I told me forgot that because you're going to the Trump victory party. What was that like, really, really, actually it was one of the greatest things ever. We showed up. We went out to an additional dinner. I was with my wife. Went out to an additional dinner. I had a great dinner. It was two dinners. Went to this wonderful friend's restaurant that knew a long circuses in New York. Showed up at this

“very sparsely attended victory party. And the best thing about it is it had a wall of televisions”

from floor to ceiling behind the stage. And it was an up close picture of all of the assembled people in the, in the, in the Javit Center, which is where all the Democrats in the victory, Hillary party was taking place. No one seemed to think Trump was going to win until, of course, he flipped Florida. And then it was a rock as party. It was, it was actually. Who was there? Do you remember who you ran into? Oh, I got, I almost got knocked over by the, I'm trying to remember

name now. She was the female governor of Arizona, just plowed, just super hammered. Do you remember her? I can remember her. I do remember her. She was a smoker. Oh, she was a smoker. She was a massive drinker. She was jubilant. People were jubilant. But like to go to the Trump party in 2016, no one even bothered to go. I ran into Kellyanne Conway fits Patrick or whatever. She was at that point in Conway. I guess that morning at like 5 a.m. on the set at Fox. She's the campaign manager.

“Oh, I remember. And I said, we're in the hallway. I'll never forget it right off the set and I said,”

what do you think the numbers are tonight? It's always asked the campaign manager that like

election day. And she goes, I'd say 45, 43 something like that. There's a campaign manager telling me, I've talked to a lot of campaign managers on election day. Like if I have since 1992 or whatever, I've never met one who didn't predict victory on election day. Ever. Ever. Doesn't matter. Plus it's bad juju. I mean, your job is to demonstrate. I stopped him as I'm even in the face of. So if you're campaign and by the way, Trump thought he was going to lose. And I think he said that he certainly said

it to me. But I know that he, I know that he believes he was going to lose. So if you're going to the Trump party, when the candidate and his campaign manager both believe they're going to lose, but you're at the victory party, we know it's a snapshot in history. We did. Well, I actually did think I know because you pulled our table. We had a table of about eight people for dinner. And it was

“me and Caitlin Collins to her credit. Oh, wow. Two of us, I think, I think you said, I think three of”

us out of like eight or nine people said Trump was going to win. It's kind of crazy. This is going to like set off conspiracies. But you and I are having dinner with Caitlin Collins on the eve of the 2016

election. I love Caitlin Collins. I don't even, I've never seen her on TV because I don't have a TV.

But I don't want her to be out. I'll preserve my girl. I know you're not allowed to say that. I would also for the dinner because she was, she was ratis. She was a great girl. She's a great girl. Totally agree with that. Despite whatever she says in TV, I'm not even aware of it. But I haven't watched CNN and in decades. I heard her at a college and always thought so much of her. She's one of hardest working people I've ever met in my life. That girl, I don't think

she slept past five a.m. in her entire life. Like, she is a worker sooner admirable. I respect that. Yes, I do almost well everything. Anyway, uh, so you go to the party. It's sparsely attended and then he wins. Then it transforms. It would Jeff Sessions was right next to us. I love Jeff Sessions. It me too. Good man. Great man. You know, not tons, but a few elected officials that I recognize from around the country. Not many, um, mostly. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

Shane Brewer. That's exactly. Shane Brewer. Sorry, Benifer. I prevented Jan Brewer from falling down. She fell into me and had full momentum. And I remember falling her back and she couldn't have been

serious. Saving governors, not a grumpy term. Political shit. It was amazing. In fact, not only did

entire family. I'm assuming some of them were asleep. I have no idea, but once it was clear that he had won. And the best part of this celebration was seeing in real time, floor to ceiling, all of the self assured, really, uh, vindictive celebrities and other elected officials who had assembled to, uh, Geron Hillary interiors. I mean, just to inconsol. So you went for the suffering that I did. I don't normally, but there was really hard not to appreciate. I mean, it was intact. The sense of

entitlement that the Hillary people had, it was crazy. It was her turn. She never done anything. Like,

she had fallen a million miles when she was 20 million miles. And that was literally like her top,

“her top talking point. But I think she had a record of like zero achievement, zero achievement,”

but really high self-regard. But the most banal observations about the world, like I always thought that she had, you know, high feral intelligence, but I never thought there was any evidence that she had any abstract intelligence at all. Like conceptual intelligence, like she could understand the world. She was too busy surviving. She was a survivor, first and foremost. She was a cockroach, like that way. You couldn't kill Hillary. I mean, we don't around since Hillary, you didn't shut up on the scene.

No, been there the whole time. A ran into her and re-odd. Yes, I know. Two months ago, we had to get the gear right there. No, yeah, she's still here with her beard human. I almost ran into her. I walked in and, wow, Hillary Clinton, it's the great and part of it. It's like four feet tall at this point. Confirmation that she's still with her girlfriend, married to George Soros. I know. I know. I know what a sham that is. Most people don't talk about that. They should,

I know. I'm sorry. She's in public life. She doesn't have a private life. It's where they've examined nation. Yeah, sorry. I'm going to stick to my no-outing policy. The only person I broke it for is Barack Obama. I just couldn't, I'm sorry. And because you know why, I did that because

“I really don't think that you should do that. I feel guilty every time I call and see Graham”

Gag. I shouldn't be doing that. That is not the Christian way at all. The only reason I did it for Obama was because there was a guy and accuser and they arrested him and like tormented him and he'd like died in poverty and obscurity pretty recently. He was a very screwed-up dude. He was kind of sad prison Gag. Kind of guy was credible. He was absolutely telling a truth. There's no question about it in my mind. You know,

it's he said he said, but I don't even know if Obama's denied it. But so Obama was on the

download for sure. And everyone's like, oh, how dare you say that? Well, his bag of first said

that Obama himself in a letter to a distant cousin of ours. I'm embarrassed to say we have a relative who dated Obama. But um, just like shocking. But anyway, I don't marinate on that. No, no, no, no. Anyway, in a letter to a relative of ours said, you know, I've considered being gay, but it's not challenging enough. It's like, did you ever write letters like that in college? I don't think I wrote letters to any man. Actually, no. Did you write letters to your girlfriend

being like, you know, I was thinking about being gay. Just thinking about, you know, this one is saying, maybe I should be gay. That was not not a challenge. I would say about Lindsey Graham, it is fair game because that man holds somehow a lot of power over America's future and America's boys who fight in our wars. Right. And he is. No, I know. It's just I think we have to in our business or just in life fight against

the tendency to judge everyone but ourselves for sure. And I think if you're going to tell the truth

“about other people, you should be required. You should require yourself to tell the truth about”

yourself first. So, because it's just so easy to be like, oh, they're bad and secretly, you know,

side of mind's work. We'll we're all secretly something. So, like, it's just important to say that. Anyway, sorry. Um, did you say we're all secretly something not all secretly. It's not a mine. Sorry, just declare a button. It's no or not. I mean, speak for myself. There is a lot of them brother and party. It's been seen. It's insane. It's insane. Can't be accidental. Someone we had dinner with last night who's very wise said demonic influences

concentrate on those with power. And that is so clearly true. That was my wife of 35 years. She said that. Well, she's a wise chick. No, that is totally right. Demonic influence concentrates on those who have power. Beware of power. Yes. That's why it's and those who seek power. Yes. No, that's that is that is true. It's a chicken and the egg thing to describe people go in to politics and business or does the

the reality of living near power, having power, is does that destroy them? I think clearly both.

gravitated towards elective office and also corporate power. Really? Yeah. That's past year actually. There was something like 60% or something. We're really monstrantly sociopathic. Yeah. And if you're, if you wake up every morning and say, I am the wisest. I am the toughest. I'm the leader of all men and I can make decisions for other

people. There's something wrong with you. I've never thought that one time in my life.

I've never looked in the mirror and said, you're a leader of men. I've suffered some

“delusions, but not that one. No. Yeah. Well, this is why I think this to myself all the time,”

we should require every man to have a mirror outside his shower. Yes. This is you emerge from the shower every day. You see this lumpy furry primates turning back at you and you're like weird for him places. Can't take yourself too seriously. Yes. Amen. God bless our women, tolerating and loving us. It's quite bad. There's this amazing exchange between Jesus and John, Jesus and Peter, excuse me, at the end of the Gospel of John when Jesus reappears and a couple

of disciples are fishing on the sea of Gowley and Jesus has prepared this basically fish barbecue

breakfast. He's cooking fish over charcoal. And I don't understand a lot of what it means, but there's a one point at which Jesus says, when you're young, you dress yourself. I'm paraphrasing, but when you're young, you dress yourself and go wherever you want. But when you're old, others dress you and take you where you don't want to go. And I know that there are of course theological meanings that I'm not probably not sworn enough to hopefully, that means a lot,

and I don't understand everything that it means. But on the most literal level, it's true that, you know, there's comes a time for all of us when we lose agency in autonomy, it's sovereignty.

And we're dependent on others and we're so reduced. We're going to make you emotional thinking about it

because it's the nightmare. Jesus describes it as a nightmare, by the way. He doesn't say it's okay. He's like, "This is bad. It's going to happen to you." And it's going to happen to all of us and I just think it's

“important to keep that ever present. Well, it's a really good reminder to respect and love”

those who are younger than you and those in your orbit to really pay attention to your children and your extended family. I mean, these are the people you'll be dependent upon when you're older. And that is not a concept that you hear much in America. I mean, we'll move away from our family members. We move away from our parents. When in fact we should be embracing them, learning from them, get it off the rub, taking care of them. Yes, absolutely. That is really smart. It must be by design. It

doesn't happen by accident. No, no, where else is that happened? People live. Well, I was watching Ben Shapiro the other day and he said, "If you can't find a job in the town, you're from where your parents are buried, where you spent your whole life, that's on you." Yeah, move out. Yeah, move out. Go somewhere else. Become a migrant. Like, who do you think you are? You think you deserve to live in the town? You grew up in just because your parents are buried there and your

grandparents built it. You think you have some right to that? Don't you understand the rules of

“capital of the globalized economy? Like, who? Honestly, the gall, the entitlement. You should reap”

the benefits of that which you've worked for your entire life and that way your your ancestors are worked for. Yeah, man, I don't think there's anything that's upset me more than that clip. I mean, his many attacks on Jesus is calls for, you know, slaughtering populations, it's just the bigotry, the cruelty of his program. I don't think anything has made me more enraged than that. Just the kind of like, what? You think you have a right to a community to a nation? Who do you think

you are? This is a concept. Yeah, it's a nice idea. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, really evil idea. Yes, it is the truth. I'm not sustainable as we're learning. No, no, no, of course it leads to collapse, which is of course the point because it's animated by hatred. Yes. And people who espouse ideas like that are lying. They're not ideas. It's not a philosophy, it's not an ideology, it's an expression of hatred toward a population. And that's real. Nothing's more real than that. Anyway,

sorry, getting a feeling. I beg your pardon. So, but to Trump, because I just think it's so interesting, what's happened? So, there are three elections for Trump. You vote for him in all three. Yes. And you do so not reluctantly, but enthusiastically. And in fact, you, and you work for Trump, you write his speeches at the beginning. You know the people around him, including his son-in-law. And you, you're kind of punished for it by your neighbors. And by people you know,

you're about to show you the business for doing that. But you keep doing it. What's the moment where

actually early on, I was confused that he brought in. First, empowered his son-in-law, who I was

“kindly to suppose to and thought was motivated by loyalty to Trump's program and to Trump.”

And then early on, you, you knew Jared. I did. Yep. And corresponded with him quite a bit, met with him a number of times during the early administration. One of Trump's obvious, well, I met Jared through you. So, I know you know. Yeah. One of Trump's obvious deficits to anybody was looking at him. Even if you loved him for being an outsider, you knew that Washington was like a really complicated machine ray. And you need people who are well-versed and navigating it

and making it work because the federal government is just an enormous kind of out-of-control machine.

And if you don't have people who understand the levers of power and how to propel your program

forward, you will fail. And especially Trump who had a very adversarial Republican party, weasels like Paul Ryan who had been elevated by Trump's victory and was nearly the speaker of the house hated Trump. And so why would Paul Ryan hate Trump? It's a really good question, especially because he should have been really grateful that Trump was in power and thereby his power derived from Trump's success. But none of them seem to feel that way.

“Paul Ryan especially hated Trump. Yes. Yes he did. What do you think that comes from?”

I think he was a weak man and a bitter man. And Boy did he use his obstruction as power

to the detriment of not just Donald Trump, but the people who had voted for Donald Trump.

So early on, Trump didn't take that seriously. One thing that made him super attractive was he was an outside candidate. He wasn't a politician. He was a businessman and he was there for a very specific purpose. And yet he came in and not only didn't understand how Washington works. He didn't take the appropriate measures to protect himself and his agenda. Instead he reverted to type and hired a bunch of golden sacks people and billionaires and

empowered his son-in-law who'd been in Democrat until the day before. I think through the election he had been in Democrat on and a globalist. And so that was concerning and upsetting. And then the country got completely overwhelmed by the faux controversy around the Russia stuff, which was on its face absurd. If you knew anything about Donald Trump or anything about the campaign, you knew that not only did they not rely upon Russia for help, they had a hard time

like coalescing their own power. They were not an organized machine and they were not aligned with any foreign power. And so that was insane, but it occupied the country. I'm still quite better about it actually and people don't talk about it. We've suffered so many humiliations on the national stage since that people don't focus on it enough. But it paralyzed the country and paralyzed the administration. And I felt like Trump is responsible for that because leaders

need to be able to delegate and they need to recognize where their weaknesses are and they need to account for those weaknesses. And he didn't. And he empowered a lot of people he shouldn't have empowered. So I was disperated during the early administration. It was clear to me and anybody else who was watching that he was going to win reelection despite all the COVID stuff. And at that time we didn't know the details how complicit Trump was by empowering the pharmaceutical companies

during COVID. How responsible he actually was for that offense that biological war against the

“country that he's supposed to lead. At that time I think most people and I was sympathetic to Trump”

the position that he was in. And then when he so was clear that he was going to win reelection I thought he was clear that he won reelection on election Eve. I mean he was over the top. I mean the numbers were there for him. He won until they stepped in and took it away from him. And then I thought he acted crazily. Who is there? The summer of love with George Floyd, which was obviously a complete scam. The man was killed unfortunately. But he had had, you know, he'd stuffed a bunch of

fentanyl as I asked. And he was a bright and forthright with the cops who showed up on the scene. The famous video started actually minutes before when he'd come out and come out of the store and was sitting in his car with those two other people and he tried to pass the counter for

crisis from the beginning. It was designed to divide America and it was designed to get rid of

“white cops. Get rid of white cops. Repetory to whatever's coming next. Yes, very much so. And the”

left, you know, anti-fahords took over neighborhoods in America, destroyed statues, killed people, destroyed businesses, ran rampant all over the country. But also in Washington, DC, where Trump's president, he didn't have any natural allies in the media. Of course, they distorted it. They lied about it. That was clear. But Trump is the chief executive. Trump is the president of the United States and yet he failed to exercise his power and to quail the riots. He failed to articulate

what was going on. He failed to defend the law enforcement officer who was still writing prison, by the way, who was wrongfully prosecuted and, you know, obscured the original report, the demonstrated that Floyd had died from fentanyl overdose. But really, he failed to exercise his power, Trump did. He failed to lie it outside his house. That called him at that time. Like,

“dude, you cannot allow people to set things on fire across from your house through the president.”

Like, the oldest Episcopal Church in the same John's country. Yeah. So he, he abetted that by weakness or indecision or whatever. It doesn't matter. He failed in his job to reassert power and control and he failed to articulate what was its stake. And he failed to protect himself and his countrymen and his physical country. So, yes, I was upset about that. And then he won reelection. He also, he won reelection and was taken from him. But even his efforts to galvanize,

support throughout the country, to direct the FBI, to investigate, to direct the Department of Homeland Security, to articulate clearly that it had been stolen. He just kept repeating silly talking points that weren't that compelling and made him look crazy. But he failed to use the power at his hand. And then, of course, it was taken away from him and he sold off into ignominy. He was impeached, but not convicted. And then he went off into the wilderness where

he soon started raising an enormous amount of money. And my understanding is that he raised over a billion dollars during those wilderness years. And every time he spoke about it, it was all about Donald Trump's personal woes, which were significant because these people were not only trying to crush him legally and abuse the judicial system against him and in Florida and Georgia and New York famously. But it was all about Donald Trump. It was all about the Donald Trump's suffering.

It was never about the people that had gone there with legitimate license to protest against an

election that was stolen from them, stolen from them in front of them. These people were exercising their first amendment rights to speech and assembly. And they were crushed by their own government, and they were crushed by people within their own party and the other party. They were crushed by law enforcement. They were abetted by the military. They were abetted, of course, by the media, and the corporate losers all over the country. So there was a major headwind. But Trump has the

strongest voice in the country, even then people listened to what Trump said. Trump could have an impromptu press conference wherever you went. Whatever Donald Trump said was worthy of listening to.

So he had the biggest microphone in the country and he never once utilized that for the benefit

of the Americans who supported him not only in 16, not only throughout the entire Russian nonsense, not only throughout the George Floyd nonsense, but through the election in 2020.

“That gave me a lot of pause. I was like, what kind of reprehensible human being would not?”

It's the most basic thing to protect your friends and in politics, your supporters, but anybody who's on your side and your fellow Americans. And he had a lot of power to do so. And he didn't exercise that power on behalf of anyone else. It was all about Donald Trump. So there was a period. You're making my heart beat fast. Sorry. I was, no, you're right. hadn't happened to this emotion in quite some time. A lot of people are having this discussion now

in the context of Trump's obvious betrayal of the American public, not just his voters, but the people who who thought 16, 20, and certainly 24 were absolutely existential elections. And that there was no other person on the planet who could come in and write the ship, return sanity to our great country, to save our country as like the last opportunity. On every front, like we're crumbling, we've got these enemies within, we've got these enemies

weak and incompetent, obviously, joke of a presidency. And all these people around Biden who had wielded his power in his name to destroy this country. So Trump was legitimately the last hope in 24. But before that, in 2021, in 2021 and 22, when he was raising all this money and it was the Donald Trump victimhood show, he had failed when it mattered to articulate what Americans were protesting during during January 6th to articulate that it was actually a conspiracy by the federal government

abetted by all of these other big engines. Yeah, I'm the one who put that those tapes out there. Oh, I'm out of here. I felt me, but yeah, yeah, like some stupid cable news employee, right? You have you're just a, you're a true seeker and I mean, that's it. Yeah, but you have no institutional power.

“No, it's like a dumb cable news show cares, right? But what's the point of having law enforcement?”

What's the point of having a militant? That's the point of making exactly the area if you can't lie upon them to protect the Constitution and protect the Americans who abide by it and pay their taxes and work hard and raise their families and love this country. And so Trump failed on a monumental level at that time. Did that was after COVID? And you said it's being really

interesting. You didn't take the Vax. Thank God, literally thank God. Never once considered it.

I didn't either. So obviously. Thank God. But Trump did and encouraged everyone else to take it. And then never apologized. Even when it became clear that the Vax had killed hundreds of thousands of people around the world. And there's never really been studied in this country. But we can extrapolate this. You might kill, I mean, it killed people. I know. Me too. So I know young men now who took it, who have my own carditis and other for sure. It was poison.

To look at the cancer rates, look at the fertility rates, like everything about it was a bioweapon aimed at us and Trump didn't apologize for that. I don't know all the things that I've just ignored

“or forced myself to ignore whatever. My flaws come out as I remember all of this and my shame”

emerges well deserved shame. But anyway, Trump is completely absent-shame about it. He to this day will still talk about the success of Operation Warp Speed, which allowed these things to come to market, which allowed the... You know what I said? I actually raised it with him because I'm so upset about it. It's just killed too many people and it made too many women in fertileland. It's just the most evil thing ever and it's still on the schedule. And this is so immoral.

It's hard to believe this is even happening. But he did exactly the same thing again. It's my fault for not being like, whoa, that's a red line. I can't cross it. But he did the same thing. He did it on the Iran War. And I talked about the Iran War.

He said, well, like this is hurting. I always feel like you don't believe in the polio vaccine.

“Like that was a good vaccine, don't you think? That's like, I guess I believe in polio, but I don't”

know. I mean, but that's not what we're talking about. It doesn't... The polio vaccines are totally different than thing. I mean, I don't even know enough about it, even though we grew up next to the salt institute. It's like, what does that have to do with it? You mentioned Iran. He said, do you think they should have nuclear weapons? No, I don't think not for nuclear weapons in general. But it was a non-sequitor designed to shut down the conversation and the same tactic

that's been employed by his political adversaries, his entire political life. Exactly. So it's like, really you're going to miss quote, you're going to miss directs, you're going to have, we're just, uh, yes, just construct a straw man. Yes, there we go. Well, you're an interest, am I? You're racist. Do you think Iran should nuclear weapons? Are you a pro-Islam? That's like hauling. No, I'm going to piscopalian leave you alone. I saw dating Australia that said,

80% of Americans took the Kilshaan. 7 million babies have been compelled to have the shot this year

alone. This year, this year alone. Yeah. And every medical, uh, everything serious. I'm being totally serious. Every, every, uh, new med student who comes out of, uh, doctorate school has to is compelled to take it. Hospitals are so. So you've got to commit an abortion and take the mRNA shot before you can become a doctor. Wonder, wonder why, you know, doctors are like the worst people in America. Um, because they break them at the outset. Exactly. They make them complicit in a true

crime. Yes. And once you're complicit, it's like you can't join MS13 to kill somebody. You can't be an OBGYN until you murder a baby. Then you're like in on it. You can't wear out of where the hell's angels patch. You don't have shots on one of the face. You've got to be on a rear. Okay. Okay. Oh, it's so right. Oh, um, yeah. There's almost too much. Sorry. Uh, uh, you're working me up and do a

happens in COVID. You're a COVID dissenter. You're an, an honest man who believes in actual health.

“You're not taking the shot. Your family's not taking the shot. But Trump is encouraging the shot. And then”

is still encouraging the shot. And it's still giving it out under the Trump administration. Was this a red flag for you or you're just like, oh, it's too much. I can't deal with this. It's really so hard to keep track of it because at the same time, the entire world seems like it's crumbling all the time. Seems like we live during the Twilight Zone during the Biden administration. Yeah. Everything was like a daily offense. Really good. That'd be happening. There are no adults around.

Like no one's going tearing down all statues to whites. Yeah. To place them with like the judicial system has become totally corrupt and frightening. Exactly. And jury trial is like a nightmare scenario. Yeah, man. You don't have any peers left in America to try you. Oh, jury of your peers. Oh, yeah. Oh, man. No, you're right. There's just a cascade of tragedy. So it's like hard to think of to earn a living at the same time and protect your family and your children. Well, all of these

offenses are going on. It's really hard to keep up. But when you start thinking about the things that Trump had done, especially when you're looking back now on the incredible, not just betrayal, but his sense of disdain for the people that had worked on his behalf, for the people who believed in him, for the people who had sacrificed so much. And it's hard to remember now. But it wasn't only a couple of years ago, if you said you were a Trump administration.

If you were a Trump voter, Trump fan, people had license to like beat you up in public and take your stuff, smash you in the face, take your hat off your head. Like that was the prevailing

attitude in America. And it was allowed to continue like law enforcement would never come to your

rescue. It's like, oh, and it's like the age old thing. Oh, you were a slutty outfit. So you're being raped. It's like, oh, you were Trump paraphernalia. Therefore, you know that you're going out in public and someone's going to assault you. Like, that was pretty much the law of the land

“during so many years. I think it's my perspective about it. We're literally true. Yeah,”

literally true. Yeah, terrifying. So, um, I didn't focus on it. And also, you know, it's a binary choice. Who was going to run this country? It wasn't obviously cackling Camleto was not going to be in trusted with. Who is cackling Camleto? Is that, uh, was it she on the ballot? I actually voted in this election. Don't normally do it. I didn't. I didn't see any cackling Camleto on the roster. She was that Jamaican lady who, you know, was the AG of Gallifordia. Oh, come on. Yeah, that one.

And then she wanted to pronounce her own first name consistently. Literally three or four different places. Hammered all the time and not in a good way. For hundreds, like, smacking women around

and also probably on the other team. I think to myself, you know, I never, um, but it was a joke.

And it was an in your face offense daily. Like, I mean, these are the people who employed Carine Jean Pierre, the White House, but they are right. They forgot about her. I mean, we grew up at a time where serious people presumed to speak on behalf of the President of the United States. Yeah. President of the United States was like, had some decorum, a ton. He was the daddy. You know, you, you were, even if he didn't agree with the President of the United States,

you kind of respected him. He's got all this power invested in him on your behalf. And every word mattered. Every word was parsed. And the people who spoke on his behalf were serious people. And my entire life, they were serious people. It was like, maybe it's inevitable that you get once the patriarchy has been overthrown as it has been. Yes. You get a President like this. Who's emotional all about himself is perpetually the victim. Remember they used to say the

President's most valuable commodity was his time. Yeah. That's the most valuable thing the President has. What does he focus on? How does he spend his time? He's got a finite amount of time. What does he focus on? And with Trump, they're like, oh, he's focusing on the iTunes background music for his thing. He's focusing on the, you know, new arched tree on to Trump that he's putting up at the end of a morning. Oh, bridge. These focusing on the ballroom. Are you serious? Real.

And get serious about your responsibilities. And he's no one ever says anything about that. And

fact, these days I find this is a new phenomenon of never encountered. You would tack Trump

on the basis of substantive policy decisions that he's made betrayals that are obvious and quantifiable.

“And you will get people in your facing. How dare you attack the President?”

Are you serious? That guy works for me. That guy works for you. Listen up, bitch. Yeah.

We should be heard. We should be respected. And no way am I going to be couchout and not, not saying the obvious, which is this guy has failed in his responsibility. He is disdainful towards the American people. He's disdainful towards the people who put him in office and the people who sacrificed a lot. Real, physical and academic injury to get this man in office. And to witness

the vitreal and the moronics, the moronacy and just the never ending. Me, me, me, me, me.

And you're not with me. I'll define what the program is now in some an office. It doesn't work that way. You define the program before you run for President. People attach themselves not to you as a person. They attach themselves to your program for their benefit. And that's the whole point.

“So yeah, I'm mad about it. So when what was the breaking point for you?”

Is someone who had a Trump bumper sticker, wrote his speeches voted for him three times, wore the Trump t-shirt, wore the maga hat in Northwest DC, what was the point at which you'd, and who also was acknowledged that like for a decade attacking Trump, hating Trump, being mad at Trump, were all kind of markers for attitudes that were anti-American, anti-white, anti-use. Absolutely. So like for you to be criticizing Trump in public and to feel as vehemently as you do,

you certainly am justification. I think you've shown that. But to say it, it's another question. Like what was the point at which you decided like I can't, I can't be part of this? Part of it is the the rebirth he had in 2024. It was just the, I mean, you could discard as you're relevant a lot of the attacks on Trump because they became just like background noise. Oh, yeah, he said this. Oh, he even early on when he, oh, he asked Hillary, he asked the

Russians to steal Hillary's emails when that clearly wasn't what he said that was clearly wrong. Oh,

he is in and he's a white supremacist and he's never denounced these people. I mean, all of that stuff

took on with such universal background noise that you're like, okay, you're absurd. Anybody who says something like that, you just a liar, you're dumb. It doesn't even be so racist. Just anything. But then legitimately upset about his failure to stand up for America and Americans during the George Floyd thing. His complete abnegation of responsibility with January six political prisoners. He had a pardon them. Oh, he did pardon them. He did. And that represented

the first time that he'd ever stuck up for them. And when really matters, when they were, you know, rotting in prison with no constitutional guarantees of a speedy trial, or hygienic conditions, or ability to eat real food, or not being assaulted by cockroaches, or, you know, prison guards, who used them as sport, and it was completely not only allowed tolerated, but expected, and even celebrated in the media and by Republican elected officials, many of whom were still in

Congress, by the way. So there was that, but he, yes, he pardoned them when she was an office.

“But my understanding from several people, I remember witnessing it at the time, because it was”

upset that he said nothing on their behalf. Again, that's the power he could have wielded when he was in the wilderness. He could have talked about them first and foremost. He could have informed people about the conditions they were in, and he could have supported them. But he also could have supported them with the huge financial cash that had been flooding in to him personally,

because he never stopped raising money. He raised an enormous amount of money in the wilderness

years, and he spent not a dollar of it for the benefit of those people. Didn't pay for their legal fees. Didn't take out advertisements on their behalf. Didn't do anything that he should have done. That anybody with a lot less resources would have done. So I forgot your question for me. Given all of that, oh, but he pardoned them. I said, he originally pardoned them. Yes, but it took an enormous amount. There's someone named Suzanne Monks, who is was very active

“advocate on their behalf. I think she's a wife of a fellow who was incarcerated. Maybe getting”

that wrong, but she was dogged and persistent throughout all of it. And she claims now, and I believe it. She's reminding people at the moment that the Trump we have now that has betrayed his base and well beyond his base, every other American who relies upon him to steward this country with sobriety and concern for them first and foremost, and only that it wasn't easy to get Trump to pardon them that she had to personally rally people and you were helpful in this to push his hand,

to force his hand, to make it untenable for him not to pardon them. And so he did. I did do that.

but you'll say on principle, midsprins will you have. It's not principle. The Donald Trump had got to fight in justice. That's the whole point of leadership. Yes,

for example, is to help your people. And to the extent you can, like we're never going to defeat

“in justice. It's the state of the world, but you have to keep trying. Yeah, you do what you can.”

And he had a lot in his arsenal to do that. And he did it. And it's pretty easy as he's demonstrated to sign documents. Pretty easy, pretty easy to do. You know, to sign executive orders, whatever power they have. But so it wasn't a lot of skin off Donald Trump's back to do that. He did the right thing. And I applaud him for it. Just as I applaud him for closing the border. It's like those two things. I can't really think of many other things that he's done.

I can't think of anything else really that he's done. Since he's been an office now for a year and a half. So he did the right thing eventually under great pressure and good for him for doing it. But he could have done it a lot earlier. He could have made a much greater impact for the benefit of those Americans who were not rich, who were not well-known, who were motivated by completely reasonable and constitutionally protected outrage over what had been done to them. I mean,

“they are representative of America and Americans, the best kind of people, I think. And to see”

them, by the way, in the background, I know they didn't get a lot of news at the time periodically, it would. No time in American history has the FBI been rallied with such vigor and focus and economic empowerment to go in and root out these supposed criminals. What had they done? They had walked on the grounds of the US Capitol, the People's House, exactly. And then they gone about back home to their hometowns to take care of their children and their jobs. And they

would have manhunts, like publicized manhunts with, you know, 30 guys in SWAT care and helicopters in their neighborhood, who rest the unarmed whites, yeah, got it? Yeah. Meanwhile, all of our cities are crumbling and Washington, DC was like a free for all for gangs and car jackers and people walking around with guns and public, you know, it's okay for the criminal staff guns, but

God forbid there would be some hardworking taxpayer exercising his right in the second amendment

and the first amendment. So the two foundational freedoms in our country and Trump was unwilling to protect them in any meaningful manner until he signed their burdens. Again, good for him for doing so, but he still failed in that responsibility as far as I'm concerned. So what was the breaking point for you? Really, initially it was the attack on the attack on Iran initially last year when I guess we successfully eradicated all of their nuclear capability. You were because it

was still I'd heard that. It may still be on the the White House website because it was on there has even when we engaged in this latest war with Iran, this unnecessary, what will be probably if forever war that will has killed Americans and is going to degrade us as a country. Significantly, hardy has. It was that and then it was his reaction, well, his complete failure

the first year to hold anybody to account for all of the crimes, the obvious crimes, all of the

things that had been exposed from Russia, to COVID policy, to the January 6th, I mean all of that has been demonstrably revealed to be the Capitol Hill Pipe Bombers, Capitol Hill Pipe Bombers, all of the Biden era corruption, the auto pens, scandals, the preemptive partens the the people who had abused their national security credentials and their their positions of power to hurt Americans. That is all laid out, laid out even by his own intelligence officers,

“Tulsi Gabbard, you know, a year ago revealed that Barack Obama was directly guilty. I believe”

of a treason, I don't know how you could say it in the other way, a former president who advocated and financed and allowed his national security apparatus to survey and obstruct and take out a sitting U.S. president. Who again is not a man, he is representative of the power that we invest in him as Americans. So it's not an offense against Donald Trump, it's an offense against you and me and everybody we know. So his complete failure to utilize the information that he had

at his fingertips and in just a department and, by the way, U.S. Congress, U.S. Senate, three levers of power supposedly designed and it his disposal to enforce the law to restore sanity,

And he failed to do that. And then he attacked Iran, then Charlie Guy guess there are many other

things in between, but once Charlie Kirk was murdered, I feel like he failed on a tonal level. I don't feel that he displayed enough real sympathy or focus on finding Charlie Kirk's death. I mean, killers forgive me. And on solving the crime, I'm using the entire apparatus the U.S. government to solve this crime in a way that would allow people's fears of conspiracy or other things going on. Donald Trump should have gotten up and given a press conference and said,

"We are going to find out who's responsible for this. It doesn't matter what the end result show. We have a responsibility as a public figure who is publicly assassinated and we're not going to tolerate this." And whoever's responsible for it is going to be brought to justice.

“And he totally failed to do that. I think he failed to articulate that. And he failed to use,”

again, the apparatus that is entrusted to him to do that. And it's a huge apparatus, by the way, which while the rest of America is degrading and getting less effective, I think we have a very effective, very clued-in surveillance and technology and well-funded U.S. military and law enforcement apparatus that knows every detail about Americans at all times, they can reconstruct, they can tell, you know, if you were in the capital during January 6th,

through a whole variety of means, but yourself on primarily, they know who is there, they know who's everywhere, and they know where you are at all times they can listen in on you, but they can certainly pinpoint where you've been and what you've done. So why wouldn't you utilize

“that power to the benefit of justice? Yeah, I mean, the director of national intelligence that”

had the counterterrorism center, like these are people who are appointed by you to root out corruption, to fight back against foreign threats, make America safer, but defend our citizens against not just attack, but foreign attack. If there's any element of foreign involvement here, which it seems early on, there was, and then the fact that he, sorry, can I continue this answer only because it makes me so mad? The weird dynamics surrounding Charlie Kirk's death,

the investigation, the initial press conference held by the supposed head of the FBI, Kashpatel, who said a lot of non-sensical things behind that podium, and no one has ever explained to it. What does it mean to see, I'll see you in Valhalla, Charlie, what is the significance of

“the number 33? What does that mean? I don't know, no one's ever been compelled to answer that”

question, but Kashpatel stood at the podium and made a very big point, he could have made a lot

of points. First of all, they released video of the supposed killer Tyler Robinson jumping off

like a 20-foot roof. It was a very bad quality video, even then they had high quality video, and an entire campus. They released this ridiculous, like absurd, like 1973 quality VHS tape video of the supposed killer. They released all of his supposed text messages, the detail, all of the, if you were looking to incriminate yourself, if you had gotten away with the perfect crime, then you an explically decided to write down everything, every incriminating detail of your crime.

We're supposed to believe that he did that. We're supposed to believe that the guy in the crowd, George Zinn, had been in various other hotspots, like the Boston Marathon bombing, and he'd been witness at 9/11. The George Zinn is going to just immediately erupt out of his seat, take his

trousers off, and run down screaming, waving his hand, saying, "I shot Charlie," like within the first

30 seconds of it. Right? Like you wouldn't, if you wanted people to believe, feels a little Jack Ruby. It does. Very much, so I was expecting him to Tyler Robinson and we visited him, prison by Louis Joywood Watt. Yes, exactly. I pronounced you crazy. And then you have an inexplicable fast-paced acting cancer that kills you with him six months. Oh, that's normal. But sorry, back to the Cache Patel thing, the fact that he gave this press conference that was devoid of any

real detail that you would want in the aftermath of this public execution. But then to emphasize things that seem so random and inexplicable like Valhalla, who the hell knows what Valhalla is?

you know, it's the Norse North Heaven. It's a, it's a pagan understanding of heaven. Yes. Right? So Charlie Kirk is a serious orthodox, you know, lower case. Oh, Christian. He's like a real Bible believe in Christian. Yes. He does not believe in Valhalla. He rejects Valhalla. Yes. Like that's a fact that's ridiculous. Actually to say that about a Christian man, Valhalla? Yes.

“No, we're monotheous who believe in Jesus. There's no Valhalla in my world. Yes. Why would you say that?”

And no one's ever held him to account. He's never been felt compelled to explain that.

Or the emphasis on 33. It took 33 hours to bring this guy to justice. And then he repeated it several times. I don't know. I literally have no idea. So everything's surrounding it creates, obviously, unrest and disillusionment and anger. Can I say my favorite one? We had dinner with Russell Brand at almost night. We see we're there. And he's the one that, you know, the thing about lone gunman is they always seem to assassinate people who challenge institutional power. It's kind of

amazing. Your average lone gunman goes out. Who knows why? And kills people who are criticizing the people in charge. Maybe the people in charge should connect with the lone gunman community. It kind of like McDonald's and Coca-Cola got together. It's just a natural partnership. Have they thought of that? So I shouldn't be laughing with the murder of a friend of mine. But like it is

the absurdity of that. But it's yeah. The lone gunman. Yeah. That's incredible. The

“lone gunman never take out anyone who's helping establish power. You ever noticed that?”

Oh, I have. You'd think they'd stop using the lone gunman. They've used him so often. But it was the war that finally scrambled your eggs. Yes. Yes, the war Charlie. And then of course, of the Epstein files. Oh, the Epstein files. The JFK files, the 9/11 files. All things that he had committed to showing to the American people who actually own it and have every right to know the details about that huge terrorist attack and the assassination of our president. And obviously

the Epstein network, which I don't know. I had a ton of victims, but obviously represented hidden power over our elected leaders. So Trump had committed to doing all three of those things. He's done none of them. But beyond just abdicating his power, he was a disdainful of those.

This is when he first started defining MAGA, make America great again, as Donald Trump the

man, like investing within himself in almost biblical fashion. Like, no, MAGA is not what I articulated clearly and coherently for 10, 12 years in public life. And as president states, MAGA is what I say it is today, tomorrow morning, any time during the day because I'm Donald Trump. So I will determine what is MAGA. And further, if you consider yourself to be allied with this political coalition that I created over a decade, then I don't need you. If you're

insisting upon transparency and the things you're insisting upon me, making good on the promises that I made to you in this, you know, relationship that we have. I promise you something you vote me into office, so I can effectuate the change that you voted for, then if you're insisting upon that, then you're a flipping cook and I don't need you. So it was really at that moment when that was his response to the Epstein files. And then when he engaged in the most hand-handed

PR stunt I've ever seen, which was great because it revealed how many fake paid for, you know, supposed influencers. There are on the right, brought them to the Oval Office, gave them binders full of Epstein material that had already been in the public domain for a very long time and said that was the entirety of it. And then of course, because he's Donald Trump contradicted himself six or seven times, you know, this was Epstein was real,

Epstein was a pedophile. He didn't have any victims. He got his elected officials out there to say those things in front of Congress. It's just laughable. And then of course, he turned on

“Marjorie Taylor Greene, who I think of all the elected members of Congress represents in”

severe hardworking fashion what it meant to be a Trump fan, but a Trump lieutenant. I mean,

successful business run for Congress and thank God for her because she got there and discovered

“what a capture of institution. It is have flawed the individuals. There are how hostile they are”

to the American people who put them there and specifically there were Republican voters who put them there and then to see Trump turn on her and treat her the way that he treated her was, you know, she's an individual and she's tough and she can handle it. But that kind of like repetitive, crazy disloyalty and to treat someone who would actually put themselves to hard work to great effect was unforgivable. I thought that's when I really started.

She texted Trump and she said my son is getting threats because I've disagreed with you on the obscene files. And Trump responded her by text message and said he deserves it. It's your fault. People threatening the kid's life and Trump says no, you you you you bought the son him, son you. It's disgusting. It's outrageous. I didn't know that. It's terrible. It's terrifying fact. You actually to be so toned off to be so evil but to also be so toned off.

So what and then the the warner on which he clearly you know had to plan for wasn't enthusiastic about at all. He was fully aware of the risks. He was fully aware that it was a betrayal of his explicit promises for ten years not to do this. He did it. He did it against his will. That's my highly informed read. Yes. I mean, I could be wrong. You know, you don't know what people's motives actually are. But I mean from very close vantage, I can say I don't think he was

“excited about it. But he did it clearly felt he had no choice. So and I think that's why they”

understood. Yes. Yeah. But I have no sympathy for him for doing that. Right. I don't. Why? Sorry. Because he yes, he's Donald Trump the man, but he's just one man and invested in him by all of us.

And you know, 172 million American voters is an enormous responsibility. Here's a guy who had had

demonstrable success in his life. I've done a lot of things accumulated enormous power and money. And has a big family. He's 80 years old. He's got grandchildren. I just don't have any sympathy for someone who is I do have sympathy for a regular person who is being threatened and pressured. Yes. So physical threats. Okay. So someone should see if they tried to shoot him. Someone tried to shoot him twice. That's demonstrable. But his level of fear over that to me is not even. I'm not

“sympathetic to it. It's not excusable. He is not just one man. He's the president of the United”

States. He even if his power is limited. He's demonstrated obviously his limited. He does have the power to stop and hold a press conference and be like, I don't know what it looks like. But he could say,

I'm under incredible pressure from this outside force. Obviously Israel is is exerting this pressure

on him. He could be forthcoming and straightforward about it. And rally the American people behind him. People who not be so. A lot of people know it. A lot of people are aware of it and they're upset about it. And he should just acknowledge it and say, I'm in this untenable position. But I'm no longer going to put up with it. And even if our government is thoroughly corrupted in every single aspect of our government and there's the sense of foreign power that is generating all this fear,

there are some elements of the U.S. government he could be using to his manifesto root them out. Oh, just for sure. It just requires him to have the fortitude to declare it. The other thing is, no, can I ask you? Yes. That is one thing you learn from growing up in D.C. Just being around it a lot is that these agencies are totally corrupt and the structure of them is just rotten. And it's really hard for good people to have any effect on outcomes. Doesn't mean there aren't

good patriotic intelligent people serving in every single one of these agencies. And you never want to say

nice word about CIA or DOD or DOW or whatever they're calling in now. But any of these agencies, but it's just a fact that there are really good people motivated by patriotism who work there. And they're not the majority, clearly. They're not controlled of the levers, obviously, but they're there. Yes. And some of them have migrated over the White House. I mean, they work

that smart works in the government. That patriotic, that pure of intent, like really good people.

I can hardly believe it. I guess maybe it's just a numbers game. You get 10 million people in a

government. Like some of them are going to be outstanding. But they are. And like, there's been so little effort to find them to empower them. And to the extent that they happen to empower Joe Ken, for example, they get completely destroyed. Yes. And then you have like people like Sebastian Gorka, who I don't even know if he's an American citizen. But he's clearly like a highly damaged person, not a smart person, not a loyal American in any sense. And he's still there.

It's such a daily offense. But I guess what I'm saying is, and you would just know this because of the life that you've led, you could make a good faith effort at identifying those people. Of

“course you have to go through and be a huge fight. It was very, very hard. Yes. But you could try”

to find those good people, right? Yes. I would think so. That's my point. He could coalesce the true legitimate smart dedicated Americans who are there who must feel impenetraged over what's going on. They text me. They're all like on the verge of resigning. Yeah. No, I know. It's been hugely despairing. Actually, the Joe Ken seems to be the only one who's come out publicly and on principle. Well, they're all making this calculation like the good people in

there are a ton of them left in the administration, including in the White House. There are good people. I just can verify it. Yeah. We're good. Must know. They don't all agree with me on everything, but that's okay. But their motives are pure. They're not there to get rich. They're there to serve their nation. And they're all thinking to them. The ones I have spoken to, which is a lot of them. Like, wow, you know, I'm here. I can do good on the margins. Like,

something will pass my desk and maybe I can have an effect. Like, God put me here for some reason. I should probably do my duty, even if I hate it. Yes. They have to start thinking bigger picture. That you may be right. You may be totally right. I'm sure they're siloed or whatever. And I'm sure that's some comfort to know that they're being true to themselves and true to the country. But at some point, it's going to take those people actually talking to each other and saying

enough is enough. I mean, I actually think we do have remedies for an out-of-control,

“make a little maniacal, you know, destructive present. I think, you know, honest people who have”

that power should consider taking a 20th of the moment is there for a reason. It's not crazy to talk about it in this context. If our country is suffering great and lasting damage, which it seems to be, then sober minds need to come in and exercise whatever they have for the benefit of all of us. Easier said than done, I'm sure. Right. Easier said than done. But,

I mean, it's certainly, I think, saying the truth, whatever you think that it is, is the first step

toward redemption of yourself and of your country. Yes. Tell the truth. That's your number one duty. Can I say one another? Of course. I'm certain the fear of physical, the physical thread is real. That's yeah, obviously. Demonstrated a lot. But also, if it's shame if there's blackmail material is there is on so much of our elected officials, if there isn't a Trump, it's like, I'm sorry, you've demonstrated that you don't have any personal shame. I mean, you've demonstrated that a lot,

you persevered through all of these accusations of disgusting personal behavior. How shocking is it, really, if there are pictures of you doing compromising things, not very. And it doesn't even matter. Like, actually, I hate the term, but sack up. Like, really, you, again, it comes back to the obligation that he has, not just to Donald Trump to everybody else in the country. Well, be on Donald Trump, who cares, he can survive. So looking back, being, because, I mean, you and I and

everyone else who supported him, he wrote speeches for him, I can't pay him for him. I mean, we're implicated in this for sure. Yes. It's not enough to say, well, I changed my mind or like, oh, this is bad. I'm out. It's like, it's very small ways, but in real ways, you and me and millions people like us for the reason this is happening right now. Yes. So I do think it's like a moment to wrestle with our own consciences. Uh, you know, we'll be tormented by it for a long time.

I will be, and, and I want to say, I'm sorry for misleading people in, it was not intentional. That's

“all I'll say. But anyway, but the question does present itself immediately, like, what is this?”

Was this always the plan? You don't want to be a conspiracy nut, but like,

clear, there were signs of low character. We knew that. Yes. But it didn't, there are tons of people of low character who like perform their character. It doesn't have to be sort of the norm actually these days. Right. Say, I'm about to perform my character a lot. I don't know, especially high character,

the plan? You know, looking back after the last year and a half, it seems like it kind of was an it's easy. Well, you could get really deep about it and say, what was Butler? Like, how was it that he and Ryan Ruth? I mean, he was subject to two legitimate assassination attempts. Have we ever gotten

“to the bottom? I know you've talked a lot about this, but have we ever gotten to the bottom?”

And I talked a lot about it. I don't know the answer, but I know those investigations have been stymied. Fact. Yeah. Stymied from the very top. From people who actually would have the power to get to the bottom of the motive. Yes, very much. So, um, the enormous amount of money he got from Mary and Madeleine. And now seems, it seems suspect to a lot of people at the time. But, you know, there's a lot of money in politics to run for president requires and in a no, I mean,

Kackling Camleto went through two billion dollars and four months. So, um, sure, there's an argument

to made that you get money from those who will give it to you. It's just the nature of that game. But, it's still reprehensible and it's still a big question mark. Why would someone who has obvious and demonstrated allegiance to a foreign power give Donald Trump $250 million as well as running for president? I mean, how is that defensible? It's really not. If Russia had given a pack for Trump, you know, if the mayor of Moscow had somehow, you know,

assembled an enormous amount of money and put it in a, you know, 501c3 for Trump's benefit, would that have been acceptable? Of course, that wouldn't have been. So, what does someone, it's so basic comes back to the money? Like, what did they get in return for that amount of investment and it's clear? I get it. No, I mean, of course, I agree with every word that you're saying, I just think given his behavior and his demonstrated disloyalty and viciousness to

“previous supporters, yes. Why wouldn't he display the same lack of loyalty to Miriam Aydelson?”

I mean, that's kind of the question. The only people he's been loyal to are the neocons in his donors. So he's attacked, you know, so he attacks Islam. Some of the stand-up and say, "Problishing be attacking a religion." Oh, you're a Muslim, secret Muslim. You love Muslim. No. Just, I like reverence and I don't think he should attack people in the basis of their religion. You don't attack their religion. Yes. And all these, like, given Jalko's,

like, "Oh, you see you're a Muslim." The next week he attacks Jesus. Okay, because it's all connected,

right? Clearly. Of course. Well, beyond money. Obviously. Well, right. But the one person he's never

going to attack is Rabbi Schneerson. Yes. And, you know, Havod leader who's passed, but who I'm not attacking, by the way. But who was regarded as the Messiah by many of his followers? I don't think Trump should attack him to be clear, but Trump would never attack. That's the one Messiah he will never attack. So like, what is that? Tell, am I wrong? No, you're not wrong. No. It's totally cool to attack Jesus.

“Oh, it's a joke. I was saying I was a doctor. I heal people. Well, that's what, how Jesus described”

himself by the way. You're still at your attacking Jesus. Yes. No, demonstrably. So we did it. Obviously. On a Sunday, you're attacking Jesus on a Sunday. It's totally fine. But we all know,

and again, I'm not asking that he attacked Rabbi Schneerson. He should not. But he never would

he die first. It's like, what, you tell me what that is? Gosh, I wish I knew. I wish I knew, but I know, but he should be called to respond. Do I agree? Yeah. Very much so. It makes no sense. Although it's revealing as you're indicating, let's Trump as a totally circular human being who never held a Bible didn't put his hand on the Bible. Obviously, that's an offensive statement right there that should have been. He's the only person in the United States who's never put his hand

on the Bible during this inaugural. Yeah. The hell is that? I don't know if that means he's a secular person. I think it means he's got a different religion. No, I'm saying he had been perceived as a secular individual. And clearly there's, so where does this go? We should get answered that question. I don't know. I don't. It doesn't seem like we're getting out of Iran any time soon. It doesn't seem like the

straight-of-ormous is going to open anytime soon. It doesn't seem like beeping at Niyah who is going to allow us to achieve peace. It doesn't seem like American power is getting any, any stronger. It doesn't seem like the American people are going to stop suffering any time soon. I think it's some point. I mean, there are mechanisms for dealing with the government

man, I've never seen anything like it. Actually. Is that true? Oh, people are outraged

“and why wouldn't they be? Do you know, at this point, I mean, given your views and your name”

and your life, like you're not hanging out with liberals, you've never hung out with liberals, ever. You're the least liberal person American liberal. I don't know that's ever. You literally carry a gun and smoke on filtered cigarettes and they have one of them. Of course you may. And sleep in bed with dogs and like the whole thing. So it's not, you're not coming at this from like you don't have a lot of friends or Starbucks baristas, right? I do not. Right. No, although I do

share, I mean, I wish I kind of wish I'd listened. The evidence was there that the Trump was not didn't have a stable footing and wasn't what are the, by the way, let me just, what is that even still sold in this country? The animals, they're very hard to find. They're very expensive, especially in a world where tobacco is quite expensive. Those have been made continuously since

“1913. These, okay, I think every American military man up until Vietnam had these in his”

sea rations. Yep. General Blackjack Pershing. Yes. Cable to back from France to President Woodrow Wilson and said, "Send more camels. We will win the war with these." Our friend of mine right before this interview. Great guy named Paul Leslie was sent me a rider from Frank Sinatra, one of Frank Sinatra's concerts in the early 80s and it was a rider stipulating all of the various things he needed in the background. Yeah. You know, specific chocolate,

specific booze and it was two cartons of camel straits. Isn't that great? You've been smoking those since you were a child. How do you feel empowered? I really do. I do. I feel so much better.

Sure. I've been back on them. I left I let them aside. I never thought I was a quitter.

And I left these behind for a decade and a half. Is that true? I did. I love nicotine, but actually having the physical, having this in your hand being able to exhale being all the, it's an amazing taste. It's unrivaled taste. It is that that's the brand I smoke my whole life and that's just a, it's a great cigarette. By the way, it's a lot lighter than people believe. Yes. Lucky strikes a lot tougher. I, I will help with our father's smoke. Yeah, is a strong cigarette, but um, you know,

though, that's not a strong cigarette, but especially, yeah, I totally agree flavor with chocolate,

“same formula, pretty much I think. We have to call our jar to find out, but it's no different than”

I, the one I smoke to 1982. I think. I was 11 and my, yeah, it's a good cigarette. So anyway, sorry, but my only point was, and I think it's obvious to people watching this, you're probably not hanging around with a bunch of, you know, non-binary, common Harris voters. So most people, you know, voted for Trump and strongly supported them very much. So how did they feel? I don't know a single person who doesn't feel betrayed, left behind, upset, hostile,

freaked out about the consequence of this. Yeah. I mean, a small thing, well, we've done. I mean, if you're, if the president of the United States is not just your, I don't think if it's my protector, but he's the protector of the country, he represents the country. That's correct. And that's his sole job. Actually, one job, one job, one job only, is to husband the resources that you have that you were given. And he's failed on every level, but he's also degraded

what we have, what we had and was already under attack for so long. So it's unclear what's going

to happen, but I've never seen, you know, on 55, I've seen a lot of what could have become unrest,

have never seen more fertile ground for real unrest than what we have now, especially with the advent of AI, the current economy, our debt. And, you know, the prospect of more Americans dying in a country that can't find an amab and fighting a fight that they can't articulate. Don't understand and don't want it. So you got to wonder if that's accidental. I mean, like if you wanted to destroy the country, this is exactly what you do. Well, the entire program for the latter half

of my life has seemed designed to weaken this country, to divide people, to make them less happy, and more enslaved. It does seem that way. You know, I don't, I don't know that there was like a meeting at the builder burger. Bohemian Grover. What up? It's so precise and so overwhelming and so

you want to have as a conspiracy of instinct. I mean, when the George Floyd thing happened,

I was confused as to what was going on because I'm literal. I mean, I'm against, you know, obviously, handleism and rioting and hate the whites. It's just like that's just a no go for me immediately. But I didn't understand its purpose. I didn't understand its scale. Like, I just didn't get it. I was mesmerized by what was happening in Minneapolis. That's

“how they could be in the story. And the New York Times ran a piece. I'll never forget it.”

And in it, they quoted some art critic from New York, like from the West Village or something. It was literally in New York. And he said, like two days in, he goes, this is the revolution. It's like people, certain people tuned into the frequency of destruction of evil. It's like they recognized it immediately. Just like they recognized Trump immediately as a threat to them. They've neutralized that threat somehow. But I guess. But anyway, they could feel it.

And this art critic, his name I can't even remember. But he was celebrating. He was celebrating. Oh, absolutely. He was absolutely celebrating it. Like, because he knew that this was more than simply about the death of some guy trying to pass a bad hundred at a convenience store. This was a reordering of American society. We're going to get rid of all the white cops because we need to do that in order to something, whatever. I mean, there's some reason why they wanted that and you get

effectuate peace. Yeah. Probably not. Anyway, the women and the children. Exactly. We have another, no, to destroy. That's the point of view. Of course. So I don't, maybe these are unknowable questions. It can't be, it can't be a, it can't be a confluence of random events. It is clearly by design. It's clearly been a long-term plan. That's just obvious. Last question. Do you give in the attitudes you've described? Like, total contempt for people who supported him.

Total reverence for unwillingness ever to criticize people who are clearly opposed to the United

“States. Do you feel personally threatened? I think the backlash that we're going to see and”

whatever comes. I mean, the reaction from the lunatic left is going to be overwhelming. They may be disorganized now. That's the other thing we didn't talk about is that Trump's coalition that he put together. He had so demonstrably and definitively spanked, shamed, destroyed, the left, destroy. I mean, the level of dispute in this and disorganization among the left in November of 24 and December of 24. I mean, they didn't engage in any kind of retrospective

or they didn't try to figure out how they could represent the country or the party or figure out

the problems. Of course, they never do that. But we're going to take this opportunity to help

black people. We love black people. So we're going to, we're going to spend our years in the wilderness trying to elevate black people. They didn't do that. They never occurred to them. They'll

“never do that. But they never do that. What they did do was they recognized that their political”

fortunes were dashed for some time to come because it was obvious. It was obvious that Trump had a total mandate to do that. That he had been, which is obviously why people are so upset that he didn't grasp the nettle and do what he said he was going to do because he had such fertile ground to do it and he had bruises of Congress and he could have actually accomplished a lot more than just signing executive orders and closing the border. God bless him for closing the border. But

why hasn't he, you know, expelled the 50 million people who are here illegally? Why are we still

importing people? And they're announcing now we're going to import more people. We're going to give citizenship to the illegals that we supposedly were going to deport. And how we're giving them citizenship? It's absolutely obscene. But, but people don't talk about them not that he, the way forward was really rosy and it was a rebirth of America in November of 24. People felt that and the left was crushed definitively. And now, or, you know, several months from the mid-term

elections, it seems very clear that the Republican Party hasn't delivered anything, Trump delivered a war and delivered higher prices and delivered misery. That's demonstrable and that and unless it's a corrupt election, which of course it will be. The Republicans are going to lose power, Trump's agenda if there is one is going to come to a halt. And the left has, if anything, a very long memory and they are vindictive planners, they are not, you know, reactive. They are,

they are reactive but not effectively so. They're effective planners and they spend a lot of time thinking about this and the retribution. They will use retribution. Trump is accused of, you know,

restoring order and restoring justice to the system. The left is going to be vicious and

“it's going to hurt a lot of people at a time when probably not Trump, 80 year old Trump,”

probably not Trump's family either, which is something we haven't talked about because

the focus that he's had, we talked about, you know, he's focused on archers and music but he's

“really focused on business for Trump and the Trump family and they've conducted a lot of it and”

they've amassed a lot of wealth on paper but also a lot of real assets and real cash and

they're going to be inoculated and none of his supporters will be. So, Uncle Buck,

“Thank you for being here. Buckly SP Carlson. Thank you for having me. I love it. I love it. I will see you in”

me. I love it. Thank you.