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to the organization, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Number one donor was a man called Leynid Redvinski. Redvinski was a Ukrainian-born pornographer. He was the owner of only fans, one of largest porn sites and human exploitation sites in the world, the site that has effectively turned thousands upon thousands of American women

in two prostitutes.

According to these documents, Redvinski and his wife had pledged eleven million dollars

to APEC. Huh, he later denied that, but the documents remain. And you had to ask yourself if many people did ask themselves at the time, why would someone who runs a pornography site donate this much money to a pro-war organization, Nealcon organization like APEC? What's the connection between the two? Huh, then of course it was that same year,

2024, that Miriam Adelson became one of the biggest donors to the Trump campaign $100 million of dollars. Demiriam Adelson is not on the pornography business that we know of, but very much the beneficiary of the gambling business. Her late husband was one of the largest proprietors of casinos in the world, Sheldon Adelson.

And she became one of the biggest donors, and partly because of those donations became one of the driving forces behind our war with Iran, and also immensely powerful within this administration. In fact, literally one of the people who picked employees of the Department of Justice, Miriam Adelson, calling up PPO, Presidential Personnel Office at the White House, I want this

person at DOJ, BAM, that person gets a job at DOJ, that happened.

“But again, you have to ask, what is the connection between pornography and that case gambling”

and neocon politics? You wouldn't thought there was one, but the connection keeps showing up. Here, for example, is a pretty amazing and telling clip from Ben Shapiro's recent podcast. Watch this. In my opinion, as I said at the time, I thought the MOU was counterproductive, that it signal

weakness, that it actually gave credibility to the Iranian regime. Well, now things are starting to reverse. You have Operation Economic Outcast, led by Secretary of the Treasury, Scott Beessent, the goal is to economically strangle the Islamic Republic. So the odds have been steadily going down about when we will actually have full traffic

in the straight-of-war MOUs according to our friends and sponsors over at Calshybut. They are rising, actually, rather sharply recently.

“Before April 1st, the 2027 is now up to 42% before July 1st of 2027 is up to 53%, honestly,”

I think we'll probably get there before that. So that's a pretty amazing clip. Here's Ben Shapiro.

And if you see the whole show, he spends a lot of it as he always does, pushing the United

States to send more money and, well, more far American soldiers at Airmen into harm's way, fighting Israel's war in Iran. And then he kind of seamlessly moves to a pitch for Calshy, a gambling company with with whom he's a partner, apparently. And my excited about the war, he's effectively saying, you can bet on its outcome.

Here, sign up now for Calshy. So here's Ben Shapiro using his daily lecture on why war is good when it's fought by Americans on behalf of a foreign country to seamlessly pitch a gambling company.

“If war wasn't good enough, how about some gambling for you?”

And pornography, why not weed? Here's some prescription drugs. Well, of course, virtually everybody who pushes for wars like the war in Iran or the war in rock or toppling the Syrian government or killing the leader of Libya, that group, we call them Neo Conservatives, almost all of them are on board with all of these other

public policy questions every one of which has the net effect of hurting Americans weakening people. So what's the connection here? There clearly is one, and we're just guessing, but maybe the connection is exploitation. So the idea of the Iran war, like the Iraq War before it was, we use the world's best

funded military backed by the world's most powerful economy to fight a war on behalf of another country, a tiny country that can't fight its own wars. In other words, take the United States and use it for our purposes to achieve something that we can achieve ourselves.

Basically treat the population of the United States, the 340 million Americans who live

here, like livestock and just use them. And that's really not so different from the attitude that, I don't know, gets you to buy only fans, or promote gambling companies, or push legalized weed, or prescription drugs

None of those things is good for people, and of course you know that.

You would encourage your own kids to spend all day betting on their phones or smoke more weed. You probably wouldn't want your daughter and only fans would you, but these aren't your kids. These are other people's kids.

“These are American kids, and why do you care because you can get something out of it?”

So that's a worldview that most normal people would consider repugnant, repugnant. That's exploitation. It's cruel. It's awful.

It reveals that you think the people from whom you're profiting aren't fully human.

You don't care about them. You just want to take something from them. Most people consider that immoral, but increasing, there's no sanction against it. In fact, you're criticized for pointing it out, but it's so obviously true. And you should know that.

The same people pushing for these wars, who's outcome can't possibly benefit you. Your only role is to go die in their prosecution, or pay for it. Face the consequences, long-term bankruptcy, destruction of a generation. That's your role. The people pushing for those wars don't care about you at all.

Because if they did, they certainly wouldn't be steering you to gambling sites, or getting

your kids to smoke more weed or convincing your daughters to join only fans. So we're just starting to notice this because it's kind of hard to ignore. The president's top donor runs a gambling empire, Ben Shapiro's shilling for gambling. The guy owns only fans, his apex biggest donor, maybe there's a connection here. Very few people have noted that, but one of them is a man called Sager and Jettie.

Now, we know Sager actually hired Sager out of college years ago, and what set Sager apart was not simply that he was smart, but that he didn't, and this was almost 15 years ago, have any real interest in the partisan system. He thought it was fake back when most of us very much, including me, bought into the idea that this was a war between two parties and different world views.

And of course, that wasn't what it was. We learned February 28th that, in fact, the parties are aligned on the basic questions, and the rest of us are encouraged to argue with the margins, to preserve that lie, that this is a real argument when in fact they're colluding against us. Sager and Jettie realized that many years ago, and so he left conventional journalism and has wound up running something called breaking points, which is an excellent show

that he co-hosts on all social media platforms. We strongly recommend, but maybe because he doesn't have a conventional world view, he is one of the only people in all media to point out that actually gambling on your phone, digital gambling is utterly destructive of people. It's incredibly addictive.

The odds are abysmal, in fact, there's almost no chance you could win, and it is growing at a pace that has eclipsed all their forms of entertainment. And one of the reasons Sager and Jettie has been able to point this out is because he's one of the very few people in media who's not taking money from gambling interests, and we share that with him. We are strongly pro-dog on this show. We make no secret to that,

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of the year, so I'm grateful that you made the effort to come up here.

“So, I was, I'm a little cut off from the question of gambling. I think if it is”

somebody takes place in a casino. Crap, sitting. That blackjack could be put a gallon, yeah, whatever.

Well, I think it's very bad and I was just at the stage. I wish that we were at the stage where you were at.

“Which, by the way, I still think it's bad for people to waste a lot of their money and crap's blackjack.”

But those people would put modern-day gambling companies to shame because at the very least, the house edge on those games is very limited. In fact, you can win. It's just very unlikely in the long run to do so. The products that are available today for the vast majority of Americans are effectively legalized theft, especially the ones that are being pushed by these gambling companies, like fan dual and draft kings, where they're hold and or 60% of their revenue,

are a type of bet which, again, would put a Las Vegas casino to shame. They're called a single game parlay. But before I even get into all of that, let's zoom out, gambling as of this year is now the most popular entertainment in America. America is a nation of gamblers. Last, uh, the most popular entertainment in America. By not only just the most popular of entertainment, gambling, the total amount that was gambled in the United States, it clips all types of other entertainment revenue,

movies, books, and others combined. So that is the amount of dollars that we're talking about. Hundreds of billions of dollars, in some cases, tens of billions of dollars per state. And most of it is targeted to young men, specifically, which where we see the data overwhelmingly is depressing, not only their savings rates, bankruptcy goes up. Domestic violence goes up by nearly 10%. Especially whenever there's a home team loss, which is largely been associated with the NFL

for quite some time. But when you add dollars into that, it makes the magnitude of the loss of the drinking of the depression and of the anger expressed itself even more. So there's basically nothing good that has come out of it. There's a argument that comes from many of the states about revenue.

“But even the revenue argument, honestly falls apart. The Ohio governor even said that legalizing”

sports gambling was a huge mistake, the same governor who legalized it. And he gave us some of the

numbers where the amount of revenue that let's say Ohio raised is 200 million. Well, the amount of

associated social costs was roughly equivalent to the same amount of revenue that they took in. Gambling has the highest suicide rate of any addiction in the United States, I am really. Yes, yes, it does. Well, it's one of those addictions where you can operate and hit your rock bottom without actually, well, if you hit your rock bottom as an alcoholic, everybody around you knows. You're probably lost your job, but there's not ability to maintain that same with drug addicts,

fentanyl and other types of addictions with gambling specifically to hit rock bottom. You can gamble your way into a hole in a debt spiral and shame. And it often leads to a point where many of these men just can't face the music often very tragically leads to suicide. I believe that. I've actually, I don't want to play dumb. I've actually seen it, right? And I, you know, quit drinking myself. So if you reach the bottom of alcoholism or drug addiction,

you can stop using drugs or alcohol. You reach the bottom of gambling and it's in solvency. It's like pretty hard to fight your way out of. That's right. And it's on your phone. So even, you know, imagine if you could drink out of your phone when you were in alcoholic, that's the equivalent of what we're looking at. This is the most omnipresent environment for gambling in modern history. And just again to put some color on the numbers. I have some of my notes in front of me.

There's been $500 billion wage, since 2018, and 2025 alone, 166 billion on sports. More than

movies, recorded music, live music, books, museums, combined of a normal 70 billion. So it's double the amount of revenue for all of those associated other types of entertainment, which I would argue you have a lot more of a social nap positive. Now, what we see is that there is a 25 to 30% increase in iron states, which legalize online gambling. $1 bet leads to $2 of less savings. 10% point into domestic violence after an NFL upset losses. And that's just the top line. And then terms

of how much this is pervading everything. These companies spend billions of dollars a year on the most expensive advertising real estate in the world. And this is all of sports media. So you had ESPN. You have all of these podcasts, which are being paid millions of dollars above market rate, simply to promote gambling. And to get these people, many of their audience, a lot of these young men

“hooked into the sport. And I think we can also have a bigger conversation about what it's done”

for sports generally. You were talking about, as an older person, you may not realize it. But if you talk to the young generation, I'm talking 12, 13, 14 years old, specifically teenage boys. If I asked them before an NFL game, what the line on a game was, they'll know it. They'll even know what the odds of relative prop bets are for some of their favorite players. That is a completely new reality that has only emerged just since 2018. Since the landmark Supreme Court decision

originally struck down, I think it's Paspa was the law which had been passed, which allowed Nevada

wagering nationwide. And we can thank Chris Christie for all of this. There's no one worse.

“No one more corrupt than Chris Christie. He's just, and I mean, like on a deep human level,”

corrupt. Yeah. I mean, you said podcasts if they're getting into it, but we were approached by a couple of different gambling companies with real money. I had no idea they were gambling companies. Yes. I thought they were polling companies. I mean, I really didn't know. And I mean that. Yeah. I called someone about it. No, those are gambling companies. Oh, okay. What's the difference between a polling company and the gambling? Right. Well, this is where it also gets complicated.

So all of my criticism right now has been about online sports betting companies, fan dual draft kings, hard rock bet, any of those types of actual wagering. And just to explain

the difference, that is a house against you, as in the house of draft king sets the line on a specific

book for, you know, let's say like a Patriots versus the Eagles, like it just comes to mind. So that's you against the house trying to make sure that you get an edge, hopefully, and you'll win. What you're talking about are these prediction market companies, predominantly in the United States, it's Kalshi and Poly Market. And I do want to be fair to them. They are not the same thing.

“However, operationally, I think they are. So they advertise themselves as event contracts. And so”

it's a prediction market. So for example, there's two sides of the bet. And so I come in and somebody else is willing to take the other side of them. It's similar, I would say, to horse race betting. Of terms of the amount of dollars, which are inside the pool, and then who's going to take the, you know, X 85% chance versus the 15% and the house gets a set percentage. And they get a set fee that they take off. And so that's their similar difference, let's say, between the prediction market

and the actual gambling company. However, these prediction market companies have a lot of the same problem. So when you were to speak to them, I'm sure that they would talk a lot about derivatives and event contracts. It's all very financialized language. And so they try to present themselves as above what these companies are. But here's the truth. The vast majority of the action, which is taken on these platforms. And I use that term specifically, because they would say the amount of

dollars weight or dollars placed. I'm saying action, because it is ultimately gambling. It's all

on sports over 85% of the volume on calcium and or polymarket is placed on sports. You also have the same power law problems where the vast majority of the profit accrues to a very small group of traders known as sharps, both in the event of, you know, in the prediction market business

“and/or in gambling, actual online gambling. And I think even by their own data, only 25% of the”

people who play within a month or trade within a month as they would call it, are even people who went money. And so by your own admission. And by the way, that's actually quite high. If you were to wage her over a month, whenever we're talking about sports betting. This is what I mean by legalized theft. When I step back and you ask me the question, is this good for America? How can it be good for young men to routinely participate in a daily, sometimes more than daily

practice of just throwing their money away to either group some Wall Street traders or large gambling houses based in Europe and the United States to a crew for shareholder value? There is no good that comes from that. I laid out domestic violence, thinks about the social costs. But bigger picture, and this is actually might even be, I talk a lot about sports betting. I do think it's a number one score, scourge. But the CEO of calcium taric bond sore had said that he envisions

a future where people can trade on everything. Think about the social and corrosive cost of what it means. For some of the events contracts which are offered either on calcium or polymarket, we're talking about flight delays. I mean, can you imagine the perverse incentive of manipulating flight delays and want, you know, they frame it as hedging, saying, well, somebody wanted to do a conference and they wanted to make sure that if the conference got flight delays that they could

hedge their bat, they promote the hell out of this. But they don't think about the social cost of what it means to be able to wager literally on everything. You could create a market right now for what you and I are going to say on this platform. By their rules, according to their internal house rules, that would be insider trading if you were I were to wager on that. However, I was at a restaurant yesterday where both were, and I was speaking to some people or asking me what

I was going to talk about, well, they could have wager they could have created a market about what I was going to say with that insider information. There is no regulatory authority to actually go after insider trading at a bigger level. There is for the military, and I can talk about that as well, where large bets specifically on polymarket for insider information, things like the Maduro raid and others clearly leaked out to a small group of people who then went and placed bets

on these markets on whether the United States was going to go capture Maduro. Same whenever it came to the military operations against Iran, there were huge sums of money that were paid out on that.

cases of members of the military. The Israeli military also had to prosecute several of its own

soldiers replacing bets on polymarket for events that they knew they were going to happen because they were participating on wars, betting on wars. Yeah, on death like, and again, they would push back very heavily. We don't have death markets. But when you have, well, how is dirt on a war? No, betting on whether the United States is going to bomb Iran is effectively death market. Imagine it's 3am. You're dead asleep. You wake up to a weird noise. It sounds like it's coming

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“and everything becomes a scam. Everything from sports to our flights to in some places, people are”

betting on the temperature at an airport. There was a case recently where people are betting on

weather markets and the way that the weather market was decided was off of a single sensor, which was at an airport. So a man took a bet for an outshot of how much weather, like how the temperature would be on that specific day. He went to the sensor and held a hairdryer next to it, to cause the sensor to rise so that that would then resolve in his favor. I mean, these are extreme examples, but this is the extent to which people will start to manipulate literal reality

just to make money. This is the free market capitalism. This is the free market capitalism that they've promised us. And makes it so you can't trust anything. There was recently a case where Caroline Levitt was holding a press conference, one of her press briefings, and there was a market that it would go over X amount of time. I forget exactly how much time that she would spend at the podium. And she happened and it seconds before that the majority position was. So you could

have bet the under on how long that press conference was going to take place and you could have paid out. I'd forget the exact dollar, maybe twenty to one. There's also all these insider trading things. So I gave the obvious example that you and I talked about this specific one. I'll give you another one relates to a vice is marijuana. I don't think like this, but I could have. I'll give you an example. I got a call because I'm this my job. I'm a do reporting. Somebody called me and said

Trump's going to reschedule marijuana. I was like, wow, so I start working the phones. I start seeing what I can find out about this. I email the White House. At that time, I could have got a one percent chance on either prediction markets or I could have purchased marijuana stocks because I had inside information. And I actually watched as I started doing my reporting that it started to leak out in broader Washington and I can see the stark start to rise. I see rumors begin to

come out than the official announcement eventually breaks from some establishment media outlet. The price goes sky high. I personally could have profited literally millions of dollars if I had wanted to.

“I would never do such a thing. I think that's literally blood money and scumbag behavior. But”

there's no law that prevents me from doing that. I was doing my job in a routine basis. I could have made myself extraordinary sums of money. You probably could have done the same thing with all kinds of various things that you've been doing in your line of work. Is it technically insider trading? No, we're not even the colleagues. Exactly. Because that's our character. But how many is character really the constraint through which we should offer the integrity of our financial markets?

And even worse, I see these viral social media claims. People will say, "I'm getting rich betting on what Donald Trump is going to say. You can get various odds of whether Trump will say the words "low IQ this week," of whether Trump will say, "which pretty much a lock," I think give you a little bit of that one, whether he criticized you this week. And so, you know, people in the White House, they have relatives. They could call them. The relatives could call another

relative. They could easily make a lot of money doing this. I mean, this is about our government.

There was a recent poll that came out. It go ahead. Well, isn't the reason that sports betting

was banned in the first place a hundred years ago because it corrupted sport? Exactly. And we'll

start throwing games. Exactly. And, you know, the major league baseball itself, the national league and others, were formed specifically to stop the corrosive effects of the game of gambling. Because they knew that it was a problem. And for over 80 years, these companies held the line, Paul Taglia Boo, the NFL commissioner testified before the U.S. Senate against gambling.

“David Stern, I think, is his name, the NBA commissioner also testified against gambling.”

But what ended up happening is this is a very tragic story. Is that the English Premier League when Britain legalized gambling, and specifically said long sports gambling, for quite some time, their valuations began to skyrocket. And so the capitalist greed of the NBA owners and of the NFL owners and the commissioners, they look across the pond. And they think how can I accelerate my valuation and the amount of dollars that I can pluck out of America just like they did. Now,

you and I as social critics would say, in what way would we want to emulate the British working class for our world, working class who have been emissarated and who currently have a GDP, which is less than the state of GDP's not everything. But less than the state of Mississippi, I could look at Brazil another horrific example, really ground zero, of sports betting, where, you know, in Brazil, they have those cash transfer programs for poor Brazilians, which previously

“was held up as a major social welfare benefit. Well, more recent data has come out from Brazil.”

The vast majority of that money is being cycled right back into sports gambling. And so people are getting their cash transfer to the government. They're handing it right over to the gambling companies. They are massively addicted to soccer betting down there specifically. So our NFL commissioner, our MLB commissioner, they looked abroad to the Premier League, all at the same time, while Chris Christie is advancing his case for New Jersey to have sports betting.

All of his came from the great recession. Atlantic City was really taking, you know, having a hard time with their revenue after the aftermath of the great recession. Chris Christie becomes the governor. Christie decides that he's going to try and have a work around to allow sports betting in New Jersey specifically. And so I won't take everyone through all the complicated legal menusia. The basics of it are, they pass several laws. They took it through various circuit

“courts, went all the way up to the Supreme Court, five conservative justices, one liberal”

justice rules on behalf of the state of New Jersey. And they say that what Congress did by restricting sports betting, specifically only allowing a loophole where Nevada could have it, but nobody else could have it, was unfair to states rights. This comes at a time two when states are revenue hungry, 2018 right into the pandemic. So what happens, vast majority of these states, I'm 42 states now have legalized sports betting. And what they did is they not only allowed

legalized sports betting in the casino, like Nevada always had, is they quickly realized that

there were these apps like draft kings in Fandwell with had the infrastructure laid out already, which allows you to normalize and create online sports books specifically. And so that's how I gave you that number, 500 billion, half a trillion dollars wagered in this nation since 2018. And it just dispels all of this notion of how, oh well, I mean, the class of libertarian argument. Well, people are always going to sports bet. That's actually BS in my opinion, because if we look

to the current types of bets that people place today, they play the types of bets, which I've talked about, which no bookie or mafia boss would ever offer you. They're talking about offering you when I open the app, the single game parlay. It would say it's not just whether you win or lose. And it's not even just the spread plus three and a half minus three and a half. It's the spread combined with the quarterback throwing for 200 yards, combined with the receiver scoring two

touchdowns. And they offer you a price bet $10 to win 750 the idiot brain combined with alcohol or marijuana for a lot of these guys sitting on their couches. Let's do it. $10. What they don't realize is that the contingent odds that they just placed lose money so regularly that the companies can project their revenue based off of that type of bet, the single game parlay bet. So much so that they can project their earnings out into the future. 60% of their revenue comes specifically

from that type of bet. So when people tell me America's always been a nation of sports gamblers,

that's totally wrong. The type of bets that they were making were usually illegal, you know, back room types of bets plus or minus on the spread to the extent that they were ever able to even get these types of parlay bets. It was in person in a Vegas casino and they would never take the amount of dollars that they're waigering currently at a lot of these places. And one thing

and you're doing this for the thrill, I just want you to know, especially with the parlay bets,

“you will not win. You will not win. It's a mathematical fact if you do this over time and this”

brings me to the worst part of the industry, if you do win, they'll ban you. And so I'm sure you know this with Blackjack, for example, everybody famously lionized the people who can count cards. Right. What they don't tell you, if you walk into a Las Vegas casino and you start counting cards, you will be asked to leave the Blackjack table within probably 30 minutes to an hour, unless you're really good at it and you're working with a team. How is that legal? You might ask,

they have the right to refuse service. And it's because even with the small house edge of Blackjack, if you are an advantage player in Blackjack and especially if they allow those advantage players to have unlimited bet size and they get that 1% really, that's all it is. Counting cards gives you a 1% or so edge. You will eventually beat the house. It's the perfect game. Is that you can edit people? You can effectively legalize theft. And if you happen to, despite all of this, you're able

to win money. They will simply ask you to not no longer play with them. Or if they don't ask you to no longer play with them, they will limit your bet size. So where previously you might have been able to put 1,000, 2,000, 3,000 dollars on a game, they'll say, "Sir, you're only allowed to bet up to $3 on this game." It's an easy way. So you add it to the losers and you look for the whales. See, vast majority of the profit for these gambling companies comes from a very small group of users,

roughly three to five percent of the people make up almost 50 percent of the revenue. So these are

absolute gambling addicts who by loss shouldn't even be gambling in the first place. The winners, if you're able to even win in this game, they will ban you. In fact, their algorithms are so sophisticated that if you place the type of bets which look like a winner, a potential winner, before you even win, they will limit your bet size. They will say, "We don't want your business or you're only cap to $10 down on a game." So they've created a system where they can

edit young men. They can find the potential whales out there, those 3 percent or just full-blown

“addicts. They can shower them with gifts. They call them incessantly, "Hey, where have you been?”

Haven't heard from you. Do you want tickets to the next Patriots game? Do you want free whiskey? Let me fly you out on a private jet from here to here. They shower them with more benefits and you can even believe." Now, they think it's for free, but they're paying for it, obviously, with their losses. They do all of this while if you're actually winner, the Velbanjo. And so, for the casual better who is doing 3 to 5 to 8 percent, I just want those people to or $8.

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every dollar that he had, every single dollar. He bankrupted his children's five-29 plans. His 401k took out multiple mortgages on his house. The entire time he was being called and encouraged to gamble by draft Kings. His host, Casino host, who would ask me, "Hey, where have you been this week? Hey, I've got a good game for you. This is exactly the type of thing you would like to do. Here's some free whiskey. Here's some free anything, right? You know, free like concert tickets,

those types of things. They're encouraging him despite him showing obvious symptoms of gambling addiction. And by their own rules, they're supposed to tell him not to do it, but of course they don't.

in text or they're going to come after me. Make sure you just talk to me on the phone if you're

having a problem." Again, this is scum of the earth, type of behavior, to even participate in this, but this is what's been enabled by these laws. This is sweeping the nation. The largest gambling stuff. Oh, he went absolutely bust and his wife owns draft Kings. They have their

“publicly traded companies. So it's, you know, Fortune 500. Is Port Noine involved in this?”

I don't know if the owns draft Kings, but I know that bar stool has a affiliation with draft Kings. I think that they have a partnership between the two of them. And the SPN does two, promotes whole SPN. Well, it's a complicated case. They had their own bet. They're own actual like casino called ESPN bet, which is ironic because it's a media organization with ESPN bet

that was down literally on the Kyron encouraging people to. I think now they just have an exclusive

partnership. I believe with pen gaming, which is a large casino conglomerate, which previously owned bar stool sports. Oh, it's also disgusting, horrible. So why is this allowed? Yeah, because the promise of this administration was the country was going to produce things. Like New Jersey was once a rich state because they made a lot of stuff in New Jersey, pharmaceuticals, soup, you know, like Tangible and makes the world taste. Yeah, thank you. Exactly. I think that sign's still there.

“It's still there, but it's not true. It's not true. So the idea that you're going to fix the state”

budget whole by just treating your population like livestock. That's not really the answer we are promised, right? Is it? No, it's certainly not. And this administration is the most pro-vice

administration in modern American history. So really, this administration, CFTC, the commodity future

traded commission has taken a very different line from the Biden administration. They not only are reversed, many of the rulings against the calories in the polymarkets, they not only enable them, just to do what they do, which is worse, but there's gradations of worse. They go to extraordinary lengths to defend them in court. Recently, there was a case, uh, let's take New York state. So New York state, Kathy Hockel, the governor, she, Sue, or her, in the attorney

general, went after CalShe. Because CalShe, they said, was illegally operating as a prediction market as a gambling house in their state. The argument that they had was, look, there's federalism. We are a state. We have the right to regulate sports books in the way that we see fit. And by doing that, we charge, I believe it's a 20% exercise tax on the amount of trades or revenue or something like that generated within the state. CalShe obviously argued against them, although I will say,

in negotiations previously, they had come to them and had acknowledged some level of regulatory authority. They said, why don't we pay you 6% the way that we do in North Carolina, New York state rejected that. So we don't do carve outs. We believe you're a gambling company.

“You need to abide by our gambling laws. The CFTC under Donald Trump issued emergency authority”

and emerged in emergency release ordering and telling CalShe to please continue operating, because they have absolute authority as the federal government over the regulation of these prediction markets. We've so the Trump administration described it as an emergency. As an emergency wouldn't be able to bet unless online. Yes, that's right. Effectively, that's right. I mean, CalShe would tell you that they're trading, that are there online. But I mean, in my or your

estimation, yeah, it's gambling. And so the Trump administration has their CFTC commissioner, Mike Selig, routinely goes and delivers on video press conferences, many with crypto magnets and others. Recently, there was one with Donald Trump, Mike Selig and one of the Winkleby twins behind him, who himself is a Bitcoiner with Gemini, where they're giving press conferences and extoling the virtues of prediction markets. I mean, Trump's own son is either on the board or

wasn't advisor with both CalShe and with Poly Market. You have a situation now where CalShe and Polymark, CalShe's specifically, because their regulatory approach is to try and capture, not capture, but work extensively with the federal government to ensure that they're totally legalized. The CFTC commissioner has issued multiple guidances and even written briefs on their behalf in many other state courts and places where they're being sued because many states attorney

generals and other believe that they are illegally operating as a gambling house. So that's Trump on gambling. There's no question he has made gambling more prevalent in the United States than any previous president, just because of the way prediction markets work. And in fact, I mean, in my opinion, running rough shot over federalism, California and Texas, plus them, they did not have legal gambling before this. But now, because Trump, as the president and of the federal government,

is protecting these prediction market companies, we now have legalized gambling in all 50 states. And in fact, as I know, both CalShe and Polymarket, now they would not want legalized draft

put action. So in California, it was the Indian tribal casinos that didn't want

“nationwide or statewide gambling, and they successfully defeated it at a statewide ballot initiative”

in Texas to preserve their own monopoly. Right to preserve their own monopoly. I'm not saying it's a good thing. But they still, they want, look, the voters there decided not to legal it. Again, if you're not describing any organized force acting in behalf of the public. No, there's maybe the evangelicals in Texas. They're the only reason that they, we didn't have statewide betting for my own home state, not that's Ms. Adelson isn't working over time to make sure that

that's been repealed. I mean, one of the reasons she bought the Dallas Mavericks and their whole, you know, vision for that as I understand it was to create kind of the super entertainment gambling

complex. Mark Cuban himself even said that before he sold it to her, that the valuation of his

franchise doubled because of legalized gambling. So I don't think it takes a genius to see that was part of the long-term Adelson plan for my home state of Texas to legalize gambling and to try and to make it part of the fabric of the state, which to their credit was one of the last actually willing to stand up with a substantial population. However, of course, Trump is now made prediction markets legalized in the nation. Let's talk about marijuana. So Trump rescheduled marijuana.

He did so not after any rigorous review. He did so at the behest of marijuana companies where schedule one status by the federal government was prohibiting their ability to use the legalized banking system. That was it. There were huge donors in Marlago and in Florida as I understand it

who were constantly complaining to him about their inability to, because right, and in these

states where there was legalized weed cannabis, as they call it, they would take these vast amounts of cash and they had problems on their hands. Many banks would not touch the money because the federal government could technically with schedule one and they saw it was illegal. So there was an entire side banking arrangement that was conducted in currency, conducted in hard cash for a lot of these kind of, they were having to hired armored guards. It was causing them all kinds of problems.

They heavily lobbied the administration to reschedule specific, not for the reasons that Trump came out and said, for studying, we've had plenty of studies on marijuana, specifically medical marijuana, all of them are applesauce. It's complete nonsense. There is not one claim from medical marijuana that's held up in scrutiny. You can read that in the New York Times and from some of the most prominent health journals in the United States, but nonetheless, they claim we need more research.

That was the justification. That's not the justification. The justification specifically had to do with allowing these companies to have more access to the legitimate banking system. And so

“the venture capitalist and the stocks, remember I told you earlier, but that story about how I”

could have made money. There's an entire ETF and others that track marijuana companies which exploded post post rescheduling. So that tells you the story and it made people very, very wealthy who are very connected to Donald Trump. We're in the gold. We've been in the gold for a long time. That turned out to be pretty smart. Not to brag or anything. We've told you a lot about gold. How it's out perform the S&P 500 over the past 25 years. That's true. How the central banks around

the world been buying it at record levels as they diversify away from U.S. debt. That's all true. But there's another reason to consider buying physical gold, actual gold, and that reason of course is privacy. Your bank and credit card company record every transaction. Cryptocurrency, whatever it's benefits, leaves a permanent public records on the ledger. There are stories about

“how government tracks cash, literally cash. Because remember they switched to the new bills?”

Well, they're trackable. So gold is probably the only store of value that can even conceivably remain private. It's outside the system built to monitor and control you. And that's one of the reasons that we found in Battalion to help Americans reclaim sovereignty and privacy, which is to say reclaim freedom by making it simple and secure and accessible to own physical gold. So with all the drama on the world and all of that drama affects the strength of the U.S.

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You'll be in the rural parts of the state. We're here in Maine. I see a brand new cannabis dispensary

lowered IQ. Talks about young men, the number of people who drive while they're under the influence

of marijuana skyrocketed. Lower testosterone increases the schizophrenia rate. It's been a true disaster. It has been a, it is probably when one aside from gambling, the single most biggest disasters to hit our population. Oh, and by the way, daily marijuana use now out numbers, daily alcohol use, not that alcohol is good. But now you're using a force, which massively increases the amount of people who go schizophrenia, mental illness of testosterone, pregnant women use, is dramatically

up because a lot of these false health claims that people make doctors are not caught up. There's actually a teenage specific affliction where if they smoke too much high potency marijuana, they end up vomiting for days and it gets stored in their fat cells. They literally had to create

an entire new term for that type of affliction because it's spread across ERs. Ask any ER doctor,

in America, they'll know exactly what I'm talking about. So Trump has been a boon to the marijuana industry, but pornography doesn't get covered nearly as much as well. And in my opinion, I'mography. Yeah. And so I talked to you about this a little bit before the Treasury Department, so conservatives were rightfully very upset about debanking under the Biden administration, or debanking concerns broadly for ideological reasons, for ideological reasons, which fair,

nobody should lose their bank account. The Treasury Department issued a report on debanking in which they specifically said bank should not discriminate against these vice-industries, and one of them that they named was pornography. And so the Trump administration issued a guidance to the nation's banks that they should do their best to facilitate banking for pornography companies, and for other women, let's say, and only fans and others, who previously had had trouble

getting access to the legitimate banking system. Now, why you might ask? Do you think bank seconds? So when people voted for Trump in the hope that he would end debanking, they probably weren't thinking, I hope only fans can find a more efficient way to transfer its funds. Exactly right.

“And that's what's happened. And we've seen that now. So it's like you vote for Trump”

to do some anti-immigration, but the only people get deported are those who criticize Netanyahu. Right. Yeah, it's an interesting kind of house. So they subverted the idea. Subverted the idea. By the way, you want to know who's buying only fans? You can look into this, is that the people who are buying a majority stake in only fans, which was run by a Ukrainian billionaire who we knew nothing about, turned out to be a major apact owner, by the way,

who's a big estate person. It recently died in Florida. Well, it turns out that he's selling to a Silicon Valley operation, which I didn't know a ton about, but one of the co-founders there was part of the tech team on Clearview AI, which is the facial recognition software. And so now, a majority stake in only fans is being acquired by somebody who previously worked over at Clearview AI, which is a facial recognition software, which is used by the federal government, and by a lot of

of this. Why would you allow only fans in your country? Yeah, that's a great question. But one, not just to rest the owners. Rest the owners. And you know, I tried to, I try not to even take the maximum position, because I see how far gone we are here. Can we at least say,

“let's enforce our human trafficking laws in this country? Because that's why the banks didn't want”

anything to do with the pornography companies or only fans, is because they were deeply afraid rightfully of the amount of human trafficking and exploitation that happens in the pornography industry. That is a bedrock to it. Everybody knows, and I've listened, and unfortunately, I heard the testimony of so many men and women who were involved in that industry. None of it, none of it, is from a place of entrepreneurialism or capitalism. It's all deep from a place of exploitation

of being used by these broader systems. And if anything, it is shocking to the conscience that a woman who's 18 or 19 who sees her only chance of being able to make money by a house or a chief financial success is to sell new images of herself to perverts online, who are three, four, five times or age. That's something that the federal government, I think, in my opinion, should want at the very least to make sure they're not being there. If some Ukrainian billionaires turning our women into

prostitutes, maybe we should do something about it. Isn't that why we have a military? That's

“exactly why. That's why we have a justice system. I mean, and say when we talk about the”

gambling, how can you argue with the straight face that normalizing? Because even if we take calcium polymarket, which are these, again, they're on walls. These people are the darling of Wall Street. Everybody loves them in New York, New York City. They're offering all kinds of liquidity for trading on federal reserve, on the federal reserve, and whether they're going to hike rates on the futures of Bitcoin on all of these complicated derivatives, which you and I will

never understand until there's another financial crash. So they're the darlings of the hedge fund

Wall Street and all of these others industries. But how could you say that when 80% of the volume is sports? And most of it is people who are customers who by their own admission, 25% or so,

the daily participation weekly, even participation of placing wages on events, which were primarily

“known and wanted to be known as non-gambling entertainment? Maybe because it's not so different”

from the equities markets. Yes, maybe that's maybe the red pill here is that it's like course Wall Street loves them because Wall Street already does this. Exactly. But to zoom out from that, and this is where I get frustrated because the calcium argument wants to make the argument that if they were to say things are corrupt, they would say the equities markets are just as corrupt. I would say yes, but the average American can still, largely, just put their money in the S&P 500

and get an 8 to 10% return over the long run. They're much better off doing that than they are trading on calcium. Oh, I forgot one thing with the Trump administration. They lowered the bar

for day trading. So previously, there was a regulation that you needed to have $25,000 of liquidity

to engage as a day trader. And the Trump administration removed that. And so by removing that threshold, obviously, it's supposedly sold as a populist move. It's like everybody should have the right to day trade. Over 80% of people who day trade lose money. It's just, I wonder how many Fox News viewers, well, I'll speak for myself. I can pay for Trump. I didn't think Trump's selection results in more gambling drugs and pornography. That kind of wasn't on the menu that I remember.

Certainly, it was on the donor menu though. And every one of the donors, especially marijuana, I can link that directly back to Marlago and to Florida with the CFTC. It's a largely venture capital and a lot of the other, and it's libertarians. I should be fair. There are a lot of libertarians

and other things that support these on their face, the wisdom of crowds and how great they are

at predicting various types of events. Isn't that lynching? Right, especially. And come on, they shut up at a certain point. Like it's just too stupid. It's foolish in the sense of what social utility again. What social utility do we have on gambling on everything? There is none. It would be funny to have, you know, they were all those horrifying pictures of lynching in the South Island. I know it was more complicated than the images suggest, right? So the people

“really were rapists and I get it. But we still have to oppose lynching. Like you need to just”

just, you know, right? Okay. So yeah. But these kind of wild-eyed crazy people in the guy swing in from the tree and then underneath it says the wisdom of crowds. You're right. It's kind of the Bolshevik mob. It's supposed to be exactly. We can find all kinds of cross-ideological examples. Yeah. I mean, wow. Okay. Has this received coverage? Very little. And you know why? Because the news organizations are in bed with these same companies. CNN has a deal with Kalshi. They use

Kalshi odds on their network. There are multiple major news organizations which have incorporate their actual odds into their coverage. And famous example, more recently, was Harry Anton, the stats guy over at CNN, covering the Kalshi odds of a specific race. Francesca Hong, I believe he said she had a 95% chance to win. She lost the election. But the coverage was not just polls. And by the way, a sophisticated news consumer, even a

casual news consumer, has a general feeling polls are wrong all the time. We've just lived through too much to know that. But an event or a prediction market, well, those, they were right in 2024, right? They predicted Donald Trump would win. So in 95% chance of that, that's a sure thing. Well, it wasn't a sure thing because she lost. And there have been multiple of these primaries.

“Okay. So that's what's happening. So that's what's happening. Me away from the predictions markets,”

you know, as a sponsor for the show. I didn't even get the gambling part of it. Because I'm obviously too stupid to see the whole picture. But I do understand like my little slice of the world. And I thought this seems like an in-telling-flected thing. It's like, it felt to me on the base of no evidence at all, but just my instinct told me, these are companies that are not simply reflecting back the public's opinion, but trying to shape the public's opinion.

Oh, well, I mean, you're making a great argument at that point. I just feel that. Well, because in that case, let's say, well, actually, we recently had a case where I believe it was in California, a polling company, put out a poll, which I think I forget which candidate it said was leading by 12 points. It comes out months later, it was the polling company admits quote, it was a social experiment to see how much our poll would get covered. Well, exactly. And so now how much of that

one poll have influence on calcium or the prediction market probably very little. But in the aggregate, all of these polling companies, their error to the extent there's an error, which you again, you and I know that there's no money riding on it. We have a feeling many of these polls often understate or overstate. The way things are going, they then get extrapolated to the end degree and financialized in these prediction markets, where the liquidity trading in these can

be hundreds of thousands, millions of dollars, depending on the race, hundreds of millions, in the case of the presidency. So in these cases, the actions of certain polls, let's say the sales

off despite her reputation, is it so outside the bounds of possibility to say, was that an event

“meant to manipulate a market? Now, I don't think that actually to be the case, but there isn't a lot”

of law that would prevent her necessarily from doing that. As long as things are covered or they're asked as covered in a certain way and then take it even deeper with foreign governments or others that may want to influence a certain type of event here in the United States who might buy a large position on one of these prediction markets to gain, generate the news coverage, that it deserves because these aren't taken as fact when they are not fact at all.

Again, to be fair to Calcy, they recently did a meta-study, they sent me their data, where they said when there's a 5% chance of happening, it usually happens 5%. If there's a 90%

chance of happening, they're usually a 90%. They're trying to prove that they are predictive.

My problem with that is their sample size, especially its taking elections. You and I know the fast majority of primaries are not contested and the winner is clear, the data would only be

“useful to me in an actual contestant primary. And in many of these contestant primaries,”

totally wrong. They were wrong with Angie Nixon, they were wrong with Francesca Hong, they were wrong with Abdul Sayed. They had Abdul Sayed winning dramatically more than he actually ended up winning his election by Francesca Hong, they had her 95% chance, he lost Angie Nixon who beat her opponent by like 10 points or something they had as a dramatic underdog. And so when it actually mattered, again, in this case, where you had an event where you would have looked

to these prediction markets for information that you wouldn't be able to glean from polls or from other open source material, it didn't end up matter. And so that in the contested primer, and these things haven't even been around that long. What's their actual track record? Because right now, it just seems like a casual election better goes on the RCP average, sees Francesca Hong, there's even a meme where they say, oh, look, guys, they're selling dollars for 95 cents because

she had it 95% chance of winning. And so, easy 5% pop, you put 500 bucks in it, not a lot to some people, a lot to most people. And next thing you know, you lose all of it. And that story has compounded on sports, on elections, on what color Dildo will be thrown on the WNBA, on the WNBA court, on the types of, the color of Gatorade, which will be poured on a coach after they win the Super Bowl, I could go on all of it's non-productive though, nothing is being created. Nothing is being created,

except the youngest female billionaire is one of the founders of calcium. So we can just thank God for that entrepreneurial and my team. How is an entrepreneurial defined new ways to exploit desperate people? Exactly. That's your opportunity to financial houses so they can bet up and down on federal, it seems predatory. So why would young men participate in this when some of them presumably are smarter enough than other odds, but they do it anyway? I would dispute that because

unfortunately, they don't know. I mean, we just have too much doubt if they don't know the odds, and they're bombarded by advertising, but a lot of it is everyone can understand. This is actually I did a lot of research into this. I don't have the gene. I don't have the gene. I'm playing Crap's is fun and winning is fun, but I can easily walk away after losing $25. I'm done, but so what is it? So it's actually fascinating. Our dopamine rewards risk. When you get the

reward, you get serotonin, which brings you down. So the risk, the action itself, and there's a famous line from hate. For me, the action is the juice. That's actually true. It's necessarily when you're high testosterone male. Well, what it means is that gambling is a derivative of our chase of dopamine and of risk. And specifically, the reason why we are rewarded with dopamine for risk is hunting. And so you'll understand this as a hunter. The vast majority of hunting is

extraordinary boredom and using your mind to, and most of the times it doesn't work unless you're deeply familiar with the terrain. Especially when we're talking about non-rifle hunting, or it is an incredibly difficult task. You can ask anybody who does it. Well,

“nature needed to reward you. And so you need to go out there, fare for yourself, probably burn”

more calories than you're going to get. It's a totally irrational thing when you actually think about

it. But it only makes sense if there is the payoff at the end. Gambling is touch is basically

hijacking the dopamine and the nervous system, which we developed to become hunters, so that we could go out and provide food for our families, for our clan, to be able to feed our child. But in modernity with the grocery store and all of that removed, that nervous system our biology has not cut up to that. And there's a specific subset of our population, just like there is without all or marijuana, where that dopamine or even drugs, anybody, you know, I don't think I could ever

be addicted to drugs. I just don't have that type of gene, but I know a lot of people who do.

There's a specific subset of our population where that rush is the greatest thing in the world.

“Yes. And if you've seen them, if you've ever been to Casino, when you see those wide-eyed guys,”

you notice they don't feel when they win. They feel when they lose. It's when they lose that they

finally feel alive. Because to be alive for them was the moments in which they thought they would win.

They have to come back to the crash and then they have to chase again. Because if they won, then they wouldn't be able to get the same chase, because they would actually get the reward, which they think that they're seeking. But what they don't realize is they're seeking the drug itself. And when you normalize this, like I said, across hundreds and millions of people, you hijack the biology, largely, of a lot of young men who are rushful, a testosterone

traditionally would be the hunters. That's really where it all seems to come down to. This is why I talked previously about pornography, it's the same thing, right? It's the same artificial construction, hijacking of the dopamine and the nervous system, which is intended for you to be able to procreate. Whenever we talk about day trading, it's a very similar thing. It's an easy way to get ridges, but ultimately it's about risk. And so what gambling does it

hijacks that? And it takes somebody in the prime of their life where they could have used that risk and that appetite for dopamine, if it wasn't legal, to at the very least participate maybe in something more sociable, because what did I just say about everything with gambling?

“They do it on the phone. Is that even with alcohol, you have to go out and get to buy alcohol,”

you have to at the very least, you have to speak to the clerk who's selling you the booze or the bartender, even marijuana, you have to go and buy it from a store. All of this can be done in total

solitude on your phone. And actually, I read a book, Danny Fund, who wrote this incredible book,

while reported book on gambling. He said that sometimes they would go fan-dool or one of these companies would survey their customers and said, would you recommend this product to a friend? Their best customers said no. No, because they wouldn't want their friends to participate or they're ashamed or they don't have any friends. They just do it by themselves. It's the only rush that they have. And I've seen it bleed now in our society. We say, male loneliness, obviously,

isn't epidemic. But the other thing I hate about gambling is that his replaced the common parlance of sports talk with all men. When you talk sports with my generation of men and younger, it's very little to do whether a team is good. It's about how much you've bet on the games. If you go to a bar, you can go to any sports bar, in the middle of football season. Sit next to a guy. Almost certainly, if he's there by himself, he's got money right on the

game. And probably on both sides of the ball. In terms of this down, I was at a football game where I saw a man severely intoxicated in front of me, tell his son to place $100 that the Eagles were going to score on this specific down. He said on this drive. So his son goes on, they immediately, they don't score. I saw him lose that hundred, right in front of me. Okay, it's $100. He can afford the seats. Probably fine. But multiply this at scale. And that's

ultimately, is the rush that people are chasing is all being channeled by our government,

by our capitalist oligarchic elites into sinful activity. So you said a minute ago that there are people libertarians who describe them, who argue that it happens any way. So is there any

“acknowledgement that if you make something easier, you'll get more of it? They say that you should”

tax and regulate it. And that eventually that it will normalize over time. There's no evidence. That people will right now, we're just in the wild west days of gambling. And we'll figure out the regulations and we'll figure out more safeguards. And in the long run, we'll be better off because there's no more illegal gambling, even though there is still a lot of illegal gambling. Because they can sometimes offer different things or customer service that the illegal gambling

companies do. They said the same thing with marijuana. Nope, illegal marijuana market is still booming because they sell it under the price of tax. And none of the tax revenue is even come close to making up the social costs that have been inflicted on all of us for having some more tax revenue become the goal. Right. I mean, this is what happens. Like what? Yeah. And here's about your tax revenue. And even tax revenue, bastardizes it because they look at it. I said it earlier. We

secularized America has decided that freedom means freedom to sin for the vast majority of human histories, specifically under Abrahamic fates. Freedom was freedom from sin. And so the changing of freedom from sin, freedom is freedom from sin. From freedom is freedom to sin was one of the great social changes in understandings in modern American history. And that is what is now being reflected. But in all of our values, indebted people addicted people, compulsive people are not

any, I know a lot of them. They're all enslaved. They are literally enslaved to the credit card

companies, to the banks, to the gambling companies, which help them go bust to the mortgage, lender, to their job, to their boss to the system, which they work in. But that's because you and I have empathy for them. Whereas the libertarian argument, the non-personal argument, would be their Canadian, a man is free to do with his money. A fool, you know, a fool in his money, you're going to part anyway. So we might as well allow that transaction to take place out in

the open and profit from it. And profit from it. Do young people understand that they are being farmed for resources? People are people see it, but they don't have the language. That's one of the reasons I'm really happy that we're doing this. So there was a recent Gen Z poll that came out that a lot of people are discussing. The lowest level of institutional trust of any generation

“in modern American history usually doesn't set things up for productive century. But I think the”

reason that they feel that way is that they are at the mercy of the student loan companies, the banks. They were locked down during COVID. They're bombarded with predatory scam advertising, with AI promises, which they may take their job. So of course, that they are deeply untrusting of a government where a decent portion of young men vote for Donald Trump, I would say having met most of them a lot anti war was one of the major reasons of

why they did so. And then they launched one of the most extraordinary, you know, dastardly acts in modern history. It's the bottom deck or on undercover of negotiations twice, actually, that we did that our own version of Pearl Harbor, which we all understood was the ultimate betrayal. And so that's who we are now. And so for them, I think they can sense this level. And there is polling actually coming out where you can see that the actual support for legal

I sports betting is beginning to dip right along with marijuana is that now that we've run the experiment, people are getting to come down. But what I'm saying, I want to acknowledge at the top, it is not popular. And we have to look for past social revolutions to see where the change come, came from, it's actually from women. So the reason why prohibition happened was because women had got the right to vote. And they were living in a nation where people were drinking like a leader of

whiskey a day. And these women were getting, you know, absolutely beaten up almost every single night or left destitute with their children and the poor houses left at the mercy of literal charity

organizations. Literally the first thing they did when they got the right to vote was to outlaw alcohol.

“And the temperance movement, the temperance movement, again, I know it's controversial. I think one of”

those righteous movements in American history. I think it was the same year universal service in the voice to that both 2019, both 2019. Up, great show, Boardwalk Empire actually shows that exact really? Yeah, it shows the politician of Steve B. Shemi meeting with the women's temperance league, despite the fact that he is himself involved in bootlegging. But it made the point that many of these women, the first thing that they did with the vote was to support politicians who supported

prohibition. And the reason why is very similar to gambling and marijuana and to pornography is they were the primary victims, as they were being left with a population who was deracinated, who was drunk, who was beating them, very much like the domestic violence case that I just pointed out. I mean, imagine being in a position where you're so such a slave to your addiction that you're losing your home and you're selling your children's Christmas gifts, which is

happened in that case. Another more recent case in Philadelphia, very similar circumstances. I

“have somewhat of a connection to this one where what happened is is he, I believe he took two”

mortgages out on his home, gambled away tens of millions of dollars, ended up, it appears was, what happened is is that he was gambling with Fandwell, Fandwell, actually got him a personalized video from Bryce Harper, who is a player for the Philadelphia Phillies. And in that video, Bryce, in a video with the Fandwell logo on it, tells him, hey, man, I just wanted to reach out and say, happy Thanksgiving, you're host from Fandwell, just wanted me to make this video for you.

It turns out she went on cameo and purchased that video for her client here over at Fandwell. He denies that he knew that it was for gambling purposes and even though he says you're host from Fandwell as involved, he makes hundreds of millions of dollars by the way and as a Mormon, actually. And so it's one of those where, look, I mean, maybe I believe him that he didn't know that it was involved, even though it's said the word Fandwell in the script that he was read and he did read on

camera, nobody just, nobody who's worth hundreds of millions just says, I'm not going to do this one. I'm not going to do this video. But those are the links to which they'll keep you gambling. And by the way, he lost everything. It lost his house, second mortgage, et cetera, tens of millions of dollars.

I think it gambled 18 million dollars. Or any politicians against this?

And he published some of the, he published some of the of the statistics. That's pretty much it.

“I can't think of a single nationwide politician and it's because of the money. I mean,”

even in our industry Tucker, what I'm saying is so rare, most of my colleagues are taking money from Calshy or for Polymark. Actually, yes, absolutely. A lot of them are taking money or have been sponsored by Polymark, or they don't want to close off the potential revenue source. My friends in the sports podcasting industry, I can think of one guy. I know who doesn't take money from the gambling companies. They're really flooding them with tens of, it's tens of millions of dollars.

It's, they, they find themselves in a position. It's the only financially viable way for them to do what they want to do. I get it, right? I blame the politicians. I wish it wasn't this way. But they are showering them with so much cash that it is only people who are willing to say, stand up and say, I won't take your blood money, who are the people who will come out and speak about it. And that's part of the reason I wanted to do this show and talk about it in these

stark terms is what at the very least, if we're to be confronted with the secular government, who will do nothing to protect our children, our young men, and the women that can we at least start a cultural revolution of shame, there should be shame for like smoking marijuana every single day for gambling away, your children's inheritance. I feel sorry for that person in terms of him being a gambling addict. I want, I would actually support funding recovery programs and all that,

but I don't want him to get to that place in the first place. And if you see a person who's gambling, who your friends with, there should be, we should have the social space to say, hey man,

“that's bad. You should do that. And so you're throwing your people your money profiting from it.”

No, that's yeah, they're there. I mean, that's what blows my mind. It's not, you know, not that people destroy themselves. It's that other people get rich from their destruction and those people still have their names on the buildings at Harvard. I don't understand that. Harvard, they become

multi-byteology. You become a president. You make a billion dollars in office. How can you make money

in office? It takes trades every, I mean, tens of thousands of trades that Trump has placed. While he was in office, his, you know, obviously net worth skyrocketed. The Trump coin. I mean, my god, the details on that are shocking, genuinely. In terms of some of the, you mean, it was an associate. It's a good deal for the investors. Right. For the ordinary people who he is most devoted fans who put their harder and money. That's what gets me. Is that money is not everything

and the chasing of it after a certain point. In my opinion, makes you evil. Right. I think I agree with that. And so when I see these harder and people and I've met some of them who are either his biggest fans or, you know, and they put their trust in the name of Trump. And this doesn't just apply to Trump, but it's, it's really just generally when they put their hard earned dollars into this and then they end up losing their savings. That's just the height of

scumbag behavior. And that's not just Donald Trump that applies to podcasters and other people in tech who promote SPACs and other sketchy financial instruments and the tellzer audience to invest and they betray the trust of those people. I'll just say in their defense, it is a mine field, because I have almost taken money from all kinds of bad people. And I just didn't, you know,

gold companies, prediction markets, crypto scams like I get it. I'm not an act. I would never

took money from any of them. But I came pretty close a couple of times like, hey, this seems like a good deal. Right. Yeah, you have to do your research. And that's where the public,

“the lack of public reporting. That's what is, I think, the worst part is, and look, I'll say,”

there are a few places which still do good journalism. The Wall Street Journal of Financial Times have done great deep dives in the prediction markets. They have more bulletproof business models because finance relies on them so they're able to charge higher subscription fees. A lot of the cable companies aren't bad with the game, with the prediction market companies. They're using their odds. A lot of election coverage come mid-term season.

You will see calcium polymarket odds featured very prominently in the coverage. It's going to be embedded in our daily life. And what's so crazy is this wasn't even the norm 10 years ago. It only became legal, 2019, really, 2018, 2019, onward. And now we're living in this already in my opinion, dystopian society where gambling eclipse is all other revenue. I cannot even imagine what 10 years from now is going to look like. We're going to look like the late, you know,

1900s in the same way of temperance. We'll have poppers. We'll have four houses. We will have literal shelters to for people for the women and children of gambling addicts. So if the community doesn't step up, that's the future. We've created gambling anonymous, has reported an absolute skyrocket in the number of calls. Congress won't even pass a piece of legislation for a national exclusion, where if you put yourself on the exclusion list in one state,

excluded yourself from one place, you get the itch. You could drive across the state lines,

calcium only recently introduced self-exclusion, but there are workarounds that are around that there is no regulatory body looking out for the consumer for trying to exclusion. Well, it's like a gambling gun say for you just like keep it out of your own hands. You can go

“into the sports bat and say I want to self-exclude. Don't allow me to bet. I think there's actually”

a way to reverse that sometime in the future, but at the very least on that day, they won't allow you. Any casino in America will do the same thing. If you tell the casino, if you tell MGM, I don't want to be allowed on any of your properties, they will exclude you and they won't take your action. But obviously, there's still workarounds. You go to other properties, etc. But Congress is Congress. The government, they're happy to work on behalf of the prediction market companies.

Nobody looks out for the consumer for trying to at least marginally protect gambling potential gambling addicts, which we all know will massively increase as a result of this epidemic, which is now sweeping the nation. I think this is opioids. It might be worse, honestly. Because opioids, at least takes you down very, very quickly. The insidiousness of this, it's only compounding on every day. But already in the data, we know tens of thousands more people

will likely commit suicide as a result of this epidemic. Tens of millions will have lost money, or hundreds of millions will have lost money. Tens of millions potentially millions will go broke, completely broke, or on the verge of bankruptcy. And it's all voluntary on behalf of the people who run our country. Obviously, there's going to be a revolution of some kind of hope it's peaceful.

“What's it going to look like politically as a result of this and all the trends you described?”

Yeah, I think the lack of institutional trust is very similar to what we saw. I hope it's peaceful, too. Yes, I think we look to our cousins in the United Kingdom for an aristocratic elite. I'm not talking in the current moment at their time of mass social change, where they voluntarily, yes, kicking and screaming ended up giving up power, giving more of the vote to the people, to avoid violent revolution. They had an aristocracy in a bourgeoisie, which fundamentally understood

that they had to address the actual the concerns of the people and of the driving social change, that they were have to voluntarily give up some of their power, some of their wealth, their hold over the establishment in order to keep what they really wanted to protect, which was their monarchy and their social status. And it worked to their credit. Well, we'll look across the continent to all of the other monarchies, which didn't survive

the first World War and many of the other revolutions, which ended up sweeping them.

I hate to say, I don't think we're there, but we were to look at what I laid out. Mass institutional, mass institutional distrust, a period now of multiple presidents, trumping some of the, one of the most egregious, but of multiple presidents, saying one thing, and doing the opposite, whenever they come into office, I'm going to end the war. How many times have I heard that one? Only to end up right now, where we are. Now you have trump,

who is effectively sacrificing the might and the prestige of the American Empire for his full-hard decision to go and to attack Iran. I heard about economic D-Day today. I could only wish that it had the level of seriousness and intellect behind the original planning of D-Day, who were real men. You could say a lot about them, but they were real men. They thought about things. They didn't just throw out terms like economic D-Day and the most sophisticated financial

campaign are sanctions of all time. Are we really going to do secondary sanctions on China

and blow up our relationship with the largest, second largest economy on Earth,

Xi Jinping is flying to our country? I don't think so. And if we do, it would be even more extremely full-hardy. It's full-hardy in both cases. You have sanctioned proof economies, but so you have this disastrous war, very much like the First World War, which can ignite more social change and revolution. We're obviously not there yet. Tens of a millions of people are not dying, but every American who is consuming anything remotely about this war is watching, again,

the destruction of our bases of the inability to feed, clothes, and keep sane the people on the USS Abraham Lincoln, where stories have to come out of them literally jumping off the ship from their distraught relatives for us to even actually do anything about it. We're watching our ships have to be refue or resupply from Diego Garcia except for the region because our bases were destroyed. I didn't even think that could happen. I want to be ultimate pessimists about the American Empire

before going into this war. If you would tell me Iran's ballistic missiles and drones will kill

“does at 18, I believe Americans injure, I believe the latest number is over 700, that we will be driven”

like dogs from the region, have to resupply our carriers from 2,400 kilometers away. I wouldn't not, I believe. If you told me that we were going to expend the vast majority of our Thad interceptors and our Patriot missiles, which are the technologically advanced spear of the American defense

Korea and Japan in the Lurch, I would not, I believe that. And yet we did all of that. We did it

“only in a span of six months, so congratulations to Donald Trump. But more so you asked me about”

revolution. So I watched that happen. I watched the expenditure of all this. What is the Trump administration response? Double-down. Economic D-Day 1.5 trillion for the military. The military technology, the same technology, which we just delivered massive strategic loss over the straight of Thornmoose. So you see that there's no learning in the state. You have multiple instances of politicians who say I'm going to do one thing and the other. Everything in America, like you just said, is a scam.

Everything is about extracting more value from you, the consumer, then creating value for your daily life. That's right. This is what's backed up. So I think a lot of the data center backlash.

You talked about flock. There was a great episode that you guys did. But that all what it comes

down to is we can enrich you. We can't make you richer. So we have to oppress you. And we also have to take your money and spend it on even more foolish adventure. All of the ingredients are

“there. If you want to look for everything ranging from a minor revolution to a major revolution.”

You and many people think, despite what the Soviets said, a working-class revolution, it was a bourgeoisie revolution. It all this is. Take a look at our elites versus elites. Right, elites versus elites is the classic story of everyone's revolution. Our current elite is either literally morally bankrupt, try to extract people through gambling and marijuana, pornography, everything I just discussed here, or there are people who have been failed by the

institutional promises of the 2000s, settled with student debt, put into a situation where they can't get married and have a child, can't buy a house, have no upward mobility, total lack of

distrust and failure by the system, which was never necessarily going to deliver for the bottom

quintile, but was at the very least supposed to make life decent or better for the 50th to the 90th percentile. Right now in the U.S. if you're not between the 50th to 75th, your quality of life has gone down as a result, not just of Donald Trump's war, not just because of gambling, but because of all of the institutional measures used to oppress you. And so that is the group I pay the most attention to. And that group is angrier than they've ever been, dramatically liberal. They're behind

a lot of these DSA wins that have been sweeping the nation in terms of the Democratic Party. And you can see highly educated people who are downwardly mobile are the two ingredients, along with mass institutional distrust. Are the exact, oh, and a unpopular foreign war, which is bankrupting the empire, World War One, does anybody want to pick up a history book? And I hope it doesn't get there. I desperately know, but on a non-profit executive, so the most dangerous

people under employed lawyers, people like that, white college educated people whose dreams have been shattered, man, those are scary people. And you know, the smart, motivated, angry, resentful, they've been betrayed. Yes, I mean, that goes with the backbone of the Russian Revolution, the backburn of the German Revolution. I mean, and that's exactly what led to the outcomes in those two countries, or to the destruction or rewriting of the general rules of society. It was

recent, the French Revolution. I just read a fascinating book several series of books there on the French Revolution. And the extent to which there's something inspiring and terrifying. And this is kind of what I think we're going to begin to see in the United States is, at the beginning of the French Revolution, there was just a sense of, why should we do it that way at all, the old way? Let's just do something brand new. Inspiring. And you can actually see how easily that message could catch on

in a society like ours. But what they didn't realize is that by doing the brand new of opening Pandora's box, is it would lead to the terrors to Napoleon? Oh, no. We're heading the nuns.

“Beheading, sub nuns of the persecution of every institution in all of your society. That's what”

it leads to. And it has happened now so many times over the course of the last several hundred years that I could see a very similar situation. I could too. And it's interesting. We spend so much time thinking about, you know, Stalin's crimes, Hitler's crimes, Robesbeer's crimes, and so little time thinking about the predicate. Like how they get there, how did a society like, 18th century France was pretty sophisticated, pretty rich country with all these. Oh, they were a society. That's the thing

that strikes you. This was not an oppressive regime. I'm not to cape for the French. I get it. But it was not one of the most authoritarian and oppressive societies. And in fact, one of the critiques that later on many of the other monarchies of Europe took away was we need to be much more oppressive because the libertine French allowed this modicum of speech, of pamphleteers, of openness

You know, he was like pretty liberal, pro-Western, spoke French at home guy. Yeah, exactly. And I mean, he was a fool in, of course. But it does, it seems like those are the periods worth studying,

the pre-revolutionary period. I totally agree. And you can't find a good book on Vymar. I've never

been able to find a single. I heard there's a good one coming out. But there should be a hundred of

“those. It's like, how we spend your entire childhood learning about the Nazis. It's the only thing”

that ever happened in history along with this civil rights movement. Okay, I'm totally anti-nautzy. I get it. How'd they get the Nazis in an election? No one was talking about that. What is the answer? I'm not even sure I understand. And then they reduce it down to just the depression, which is ridiculous. Oh, of course. There's all these social forces both. And actually, Vymar, very similar to what I talked about, the French Revolution idea of, we could try anything. So you

saw that the sexual, the absolute insanity. Very similar to how things were happening in France

in pre-revolutionary France. The same. It's fascinating how you could always see the same

types of things that are happening. Similar in some ways to a lot of the gender dynamics, like currently here in the United States. And I don't want to take it too far. We don't have brown shirts currently on our streets where not in a great depression. You mentioned the Russian Revolution. So my historical parallel would be, okay, it's not 1917. What if it's 1904? What if it's the Russo-Japanese war? What if it is the war that previously broke institutional trust and showed the

brittleness and created the crackdown and ten years later, it explodes. They were so shocked to lose that war. They were stunned. The world was not by that. And that, that is our equivalent. I think of what we have watched here. People try to extrapolate too much of the most extreme,

“Suez or that. But you have to pick some of these side wars, which at the time were monumental”

in their understanding of geopolitics. It's totally right. Yeah. So what happens to the midterms more imminently? Right. Well, if we were to believe the polls, I actually let's take the polls aside.

Let's just look at structure. The incumbent president almost always loses ground in the midterm

elections. America is a nation of the median voter who loves a Republican president and a Democratic Senate for some reason. Or vice versa. This is baked into our political consciousness. So normally you would always expect to see some sort of a backlash against the Trump administration as they actually enact what they wanted to. Similar happen in 2018. Okay. So that's normal times. We're not living in normal times. We're living in times of $4 gasoline for the last six months.

By the way, nobody's paying attention to diesel. Open call. Everybody please pay attention. $17,000 a barrel. 100. I think it might be more. Well, it might be more in a different marketplace. But it's five sixty-nine a gallon national average. It was $3.50 or so just a year ago. So the inflation that's happened in diesel is dramatic compared to what's happened. Do we really need diesel? Oh, yeah. It turns out that we do. It turns out it literally runs all of our industrial

machinery, our grocery prices, everything has diesel of price baked into it. So we've had six months and I'm sure you know working people like I do who run, let's say, working trucking and I've spoken with a few, diesel is destroying. The price is destroying them or they're having to pass it on. So that's just on the gas front on inflation generally. We have seen that the Trump administration specifically full-hardy actions in Iran have bled into some of the more inflationary data.

We have seen mortgage rates which again are impacted by this full-hardy decision in Iran.

“I believe they're hovering around 6.7% something like that for the average American.”

If they were to try and get a normal 30 year fixed rate mortgage, if they were to do so, they would be entering a home market where if you were to look at the median wage and what it's required to be able to save for a down payment of 20% to a board. PMI or any of these other things that set people back, you would need to save for literally like a decade just to be able to get just the down payment and the ability to sustain the income on two parent household.

If you were to actually be able to afford it, so extraordinarily expensive housing market, you're met also with, let's see, in terms of the midterms, the way that the Trump administration acted even before all of what happened with Iran was in such a manner where they didn't really act as if they needed to convince the public of anything, of anything that they did. They did a decent job enough in the campaign of getting a popular vote of their victory,

but they turned around and to the extent they did anything for their quote voters or their promises, they did it in such a fashion as to ignite major public debate, which is fine in a campaign. But when it comes to policy, if you don't do it exactly correctly, you will get torn apart with the press, which is a lot of what happened. But that was side by side with some of the most

personally enriching himself to the tune of billions, but nobody even knows from his own

“financial disclosure. We're talking about the basic sale of Pardons that have happened,”

where all of these Pardons with Trump issues to these corrupt Ponzi schemers and others who then go on to victimize other people, all of it basically done for his either for donor, pressure,

or largely just because he likes feeling powerful by letting people specifically rich people off

the hook, and then Israel hovers over all of that, because a proud nation cannot serve another nation. Yes. And this is left and right, it's that everybody feels this way, and specifically for a decent portion of our population to watch us, go into this war, to deport people for their opinions on Israel, to have the Department of Justice sue campuses and others for their opinions on Israel. I mean, I said this on our show last time, it's even more true today.

Everything the Trump administration has done on anti-Semitism was Abraham ex-Kendee's dream when it came to anti-Semitism. The Department of Anti-Semitism might as well exist for what Abraham ex-Kendee has done. It is our whole government, from our military, the infusion now of the NDAA of our Congress, I was amazed recently, Rick Scott, Israel attacked Turkey in Syria,

NATO ally, which were told is the most important thing in the world, Rick Scott backs Israel.

I was like, wow, same people who will tell you about how NATO is a religion to them. Rick Scott is so disgraceful. He's really disrespectful. One of his constituents was murdered in the occupied territories in the West Bank by a group of terrorists, and Rick Scott refused to meet with the parents who run an ice cream shop in a smashed burger place in Tampa, and he wouldn't meet with them. Because their son, an American citizen born in the United States,

had been murdered by his railis, and so Rick Scott took the side of these railis.

“How can he serve in the Senate? How can our ambassador who you interview?”

I don't understand. I don't understand. Born country, over our own. I think it's just really vote for that. Who would vote for that? Also, yeah, if I were to ask you to meet the midterms. If you ask me about the midterms, Republican vision, what's their vision for the country? What are you going to do about my home price? Nothing. What are you going to do about what are you going to do about my gas prices? Increase them. Tell me short-term pain for long-term gain. They said that six

months ago. It's been six months. What are you going to do to create a better future for my child?

Who's ultimately, it's all I actually care about. I don't even really care about myself anymore.

Oh, we're going to create a, you know, a den of sand and gambling and marijuana and pornography. It's like that's the types of industries which we're going to elevate. If I voted Republican in the midterm, what are they going to pass? My healthcare premium went up 30%. Are you going to do anything about that? When did they become liberals? Like everything I dislike about liberals, the, you know, neoconservative foreign policy, the identity politics at home, the promotion

of like the destruction of people, drugs, pornography, crime. That's the Republican party. What, I can't, where's the DSA at all this stuff? Yeah, well, that's fascinating. I mean, you know, DSA is going through their fascinating group. So for example, everything you just laid out is probably the position and the same articulation that the DSA co-chairs, the people in New York City who Fox News likes to bring on and to argue with the candidates themselves

are very interesting. And you can either say this as a cityist or not, but they are learning. And I do, at the very least, have to admire their ability to shapeshift from where they were, not that long ago. Abdul Al Saiyad, who's running in Michigan against Mike Rogers, who, as you and I know, probably the most pro-inteld neocon, they couldn't find anybody else to run

“in Michigan. For the United States, who, by the way, lost already. Why are they running him again?”

Anybody want to tell me that? Mike Rogers is really, I, I wouldn't vote for Mike Rogers at a good point. Right. And so that's the candidate. The, the guy, a literal loser who lost when Donald Trump won the state, just to show you how much of a headwind he added his back. There's basically a tool of Israel in the intelligence. Right. How would you run someone like that? I don't even, it doesn't even make sense. So that makes no sense. Well, Al Saiyad, who, look,

Al Saiyad is a full-blown DSA. He doesn't call himself DSA. He's a full-blown leftist. I've known him for quite a long time. This is somebody who, personally, not well. I've interviewed him many times over the years because of my co-host crystal. And so I've watched his ideological evolution, who you could easily call as AOC said was quote, woke one. Right. woke one where he said defund the police on a podcast. He said all kinds of silly things about

football and masculine standard leftist chip. Yeah. He hates Mac and Island. He's for vaccine mandates. Right. Classic stuff. Right. I watch his campaign now.

he says Israel is committing a genocide. But ultimately, I want to make sure that you don't

pay more for healthcare. I don't want your tax dollars going abroad to fund this barbaric military. He stands in front of a giant American flag. It's almost Trumpian in terms of a lot of literally Trumpian. Exactly. And so you see candidates like that, especially him, he will be the most interesting test case. Come know them. Is he going to win? If I had to bet, which I don't,

“I would probably bet that he would win. I would think so. I think so too. Do you have any”

idea not to fix it on more micrangers who I know? But I mean, there's no one who should be farther from a position of power than micrangers. How did he get the Republican nomination? I said it. I looked into it. It was relatively uncontested. He had both. He had the most

backing of the Michigan GOP, which of course, very in touch with their own voters. Like Roger.

So they just decided to go with, again, this is the guy who lost a slotkin when Donald Trump was able to win the state. And so they can cry about vote rigging in all that as we want. Okay, whatever. But we all know that this is not a strong candidate in a wave year, which just happened. And they decided to nominate him literally yet again. January was the impact candidates to be clear. And he's told APEC not to advertise the public forum. Right. And do you see, that's where I was

saying with El Saad, his ability to go up against APEC and to win. If you're a DSA person, that's going to be one of the most inspiring wins of your entire life. That's way bigger. Then Zora and Mom don't. They got to get rid of the social liberalism. If they get rid of that, because that's where the world is. Most people are not orthodox, free market people. They just want the economy to serve their families. Right. I think that's fair. They want to be treated fairly.

I don't think there's anything wrong with that at all. And they're not for radical social change. They think that there are two genders. And each has a distinct role. And like it's not good to sexualized children. And drugs are bad. And kind of want law and order. I mean, these are

“not crazy rate-wing goals. That's what we call the socially roughly. Speaking of socially conservative”

view. And that's the majority view around the freaking world. Yes, everyone feels that way. Yes. So why can't we have a party that feels that way? I mean, that's where we have to say, which just be honest here with the DSA. Like at the very least, they're not willing to have that conversation. They are. Because it's run by rich girls. Is that why? I mean, part of it is that, but part of it is deeply, it looked they are a, they were a small movement with very little backing

as of eight years ago. And they are now a major force within the Democratic Party. They're not in the dominant yet because the establishment of the Democratic Party hates them largely over Israel, but overall kinds of other campaign issues that the healthcare, let's be fair, over one of them. But they are a very, they are the prototype of the upwardly mobile, white, or downwardly mobile, highly educated, largely white, female or male. Yeah. That's what they are.

And you and I, having spent a lot of time around these people, these people are largely delusional, whenever it comes to the actual social views of the vast majority of the public. Their theory of change is that Trump is so bad and has so destroyed the credibility of working class messaging

that we will emphasize what we have here in our America first platform, whenever it comes to

Israel, healthcare for all, which is their belief. We're going to not talk about our radical social views, but they still have them. El Sia is on tape saying that Medicare for All should pay for gender affirming surgery. Okay. He's on tape for saying that. So I don't want to sit here

“in claim. He is a conservative, or just sensible. I mean, I don't know if you have to be good.”

But if you're telling me abortion is awesome, you're free. Yeah. You're free. If you think it's awesome, maybe you think it should be legal. In some cases, wherever, but if you're celebrating abortion, you're evil. Like can we just have like a normal person run for some office at some pie agreement? And that's why I do want to be said. And there's some within the DSA who actually very, very much disagree with some of the tactics of the woke 1.0 like AOC herself. Many of them

saw her as a much weaker person. I mean, look, you can see Zoron, Mom Donnie. I have a lot of discrements with Zoron, especially going in to the campaign, but you can't deny that the guy has kind of embodied their vision. The current DSA, at least the people I speak to, Crystal, specifically in Ryan, their vision, I know for that, is like the sewer socialist model, which is very much how Zoron is trying to govern the city of New York. As he does, he uses his

extraordinary popularity and charisma. He focuses heavily on quality of life issues. He does use his political capital on social issues, which he feels are very important to him. Let's say like transgender day of visibility, but he doesn't make it the main component of his overall governance. On law and order, he capitulated completely. He reappointed Jessica Tish. There has been, at the very least, now currently, no actual defunding of the police. He's largely worked, he apologized to

ultimately, whenever he came to the, at least rhetorically, and from what we've seen, how's the

“correct? And so, well, actually, I mean, let's be fair. New York has one of the lower actual”

crime rates in major American cities. If you were to pick one of New York or San Francisco, I'm choosing New York every Sunday. And he's also focused, let's say, on new garbage containers in neighborhoods to make sure that there's not trash on the street. He put a video out this morning about rebuilding the BQE, which is a disaster that you and I have been on. I'll say, again, as a guy who has deep, deep disagreements with a lot of their vision, it's pretty attractive

to see somebody who says, I'm going to fix the infrastructure and I actually am going to do it as opposed to seeing Donald Trump who is multiple times now run on rebuilding America. And now, whenever it does come to rebuilding, his most recent tactic is to go to bat for the data center

companies and for AI. More weed, more porn, more weed, right? I'd a regulatory level, he's done that,

but then even to the extent that they're, if you were to look at like what projects do they support building? They're main saving grace for their presidency has been AI. AI is the only reason we're not in an economic depression. AI, capital expenditure, specifically with data center,

“is the major driving of any GDP growth that we have left. It is the only thing helding up our”

capital markets, whenever it comes to the S&P 500, they need AI to keep working. And so they are going to bat at a regulatory level, at a rhetorical level, to make sure that this industry becomes the multi-trillion dollar promise that it's not you. Protect the public from mass surveillance in the process. Why doesn't, how about a billing Congress to Trump could call for saying, you want your data centers? Okay, but we're not going to turn this into

right, he's Germany. Yeah, it was, we are going to, every data center. I mean, he claims,

like he says, right, executive orders. They have to pay for their own power, but it hasn't necessarily, or they have to build their own power whenever they build their. I support that, but that needs to be codified into law. We need to make sure that they are not bribing local officials like that case in Utah with Kevin O'Leary in the data center project that he spearheaded. We need to make sure, look, many of the water use claims are overblown,

but at the very least, they are a somewhat of a concern. And then power, power generation is ultimate. The amount of, Virginia, where I live, 40% of the power goes to data centers, 40% it's the largest entire nation, 40% of power generation goes to data centers. In the entire world of Virginia, in the entire Commonwealth of Virginia, in Oregon, it's 30%. And some of these, it depends on various different states. Virginia is the worst because all the data centers

are largely powered for the government, for Amazon, for we have the best fiber optic cable for because of the defense contracting industry. But so that's, it's an extreme example, but I'm giving one where you can see that power generation itself is becoming a zero-sum game, which is a nightmare, especially when you're competing against one of the fastest growing industries in the world, which is the most power hungry, especially with these hyperscale

data centers. If we had abundant cheap power, none of this would really be as much of a conversation, but it is actually living in a world where the administration is coming to the back of these data center companies. And in many cases, is attacking Republican governors who, again, in my opinion, are just trying to do some very sensible stuff. Greg Abbott, who, let's not pretend he's doing this out of the goodness of his own heart. He dragged kicking and screaming to the data center. He's

about to watch that election. It's very, very well-made, but he signed the data center moratorium. And in it, all he says is, "Look, we're doing a moratorium, we have to figure out rural land use and water, noise generation. We need to make sure that you don't get certain tax breaks. We just need to make things, normal so that the, when the local community allows the data center to be built,

“that they reap some of the benefits." And Trump comes out and it's like, "I think it's a mistake,"”

right? He said that whenever about Greg Abbott. And he said that about Kathy Hockel, he said, "There's all these governors, Josh Shapiro," similarly, also just announced another data center moratorium. The proponents of the data centers will attack you for speaking this way. They'll say, "You know better than the water use or any of that not being true. In some of these cases, we've been able to lower property tax, West Virginia,

data centers, they're looking at potentially trying to remove their own income tax." And if the actual benefits of all of that work out, I would be happy. However, and this is what you're talking about, with mass surveillance, with data, with privacy, is that we cannot use just the promise of riches to offset what could potentially be an industry, which by their own admission, they say will be the most radical social change economic change since the industrial revolution.

Some of their own CEOs say that they will make it so that none of us are even necessary in their future world. I know that privately, they want that because they want to be God's, they see themselves as God's. Literally, a transhumanist, like their goal is to infuse human in

above governments and so powerful that governments are ultimately answerable to them.

“That's where Flock comes in. You wouldn't Glenn did such a great job of talking about that”

Matt about mass surveillance. And it was amazing to me, you know, with Flock, for example, everybody talks about the crime. I totally get it. It is very useful in many cases. But, but, the internal mechanisms and controls are not governed by any real federal privacy laws. A lot of it is up to these corrupt local sheriffs. We have all these cases of police officers stalking their ex-girlfriends or their wives while using the technology. Only in response to that,

do they put some safeguards in? They claim they delete some of the new, their new customers dilapidato will be deleted after seven days, not 30 days. It raises the biggest question about

warrantless surveillance and privacy in your own nation to be able to move about daily lives.

People say solving crimes is worth that. I say let's at least have a real debate and guard rails and not leave it entirely up to the companies themselves. Well they haven't ended crime. That's for sure. Of course not. I mean, I think care scanning Texas is as the highest or one of the highest penetrations of Flock cameras a lot of crime there. Yeah Houston. So life's. But I don't see, what is actually a question that I actually have been talking to someone involved today. I

had about this morning. We just interviewed a guy called Nate Soraz who's the guy who, you know, it's the early developer of AI, he's been sounding the alarm that it's out of control and super intelligence is a threat to humanity and I know you're very familiar with the argument.

“So he's written a new book on this. He doesn't have a counterpart on the other side. That's what”

strikes me. There's not one person I'm aware of who can explain the tangible benefits to me and

other people from AI. All I hear is trying to try to try and I don't care at all. I'm sick of your lies. China who shut up. But that's not even the beginning of an answer to the question. Why should I support this? Right. Do you know the answer to that question? I do actually. I have a lot of ways to attack. What's the upside? It's not a vision. I necessarily support the best case scenario for AI. The way that they see it is it will simply remove friction in our daily lives. It will be

equivalent to a credit card. So this is the case. My friend John Cougan from CBPN gave me this analogy. He's much more bullish on AI than I am. The credit card was able to facilitate more transactions and ease of pay, which doesn't just open up the ability for me to pay you. It opens up more financial transactions via the distribution of credit and a massive option of this that more businesses can be built on. It is simply a workplace invention, which unlocks productivity, which creates and

“grows the pie of the amount of commerce that can take place in our society. That's how I would say”

the best case scenario for AI. The best case scenario for AI is it makes white color workers more productive at white color work. It makes radiologists able to view more scans. They can do 30 instead of used to be able to do 15. And in some cases, that is true. I want to be fair. And it can make research tasks. For example, all the notes that I have in front of me, I had all the data from across all of my different spreadsheets because I researched this topic

and I covered often. I was able to use it to compile all of that into one place. It would have taken me hours. This was able to do it in five minutes. So that's very productive. In terms of what's able to gain. That is the best case scenario for AI. Is it is a workplace productivity tool? Now, and this is what I would say also to my friends, what else do the credit card industry give us? So yes, it facilitated more transactions. It eased payments between individuals. It made

you know, settlements of transactions between by visa, make it so that even disputes and all of that can be resolved. But what do you talk about often with credit card? Is that 70 something percent of people ended up in debt? Raves. And the idea that the problem with America is we don't have enough commerce. We don't have enough creativity. We don't have enough contemplative time. We don't have enough love between people. We don't have enough commerce or joking. We have a lot of

commerce. And so the argument is that technology will remove friction. But what we have seen is technology removes friction in some ways, but introduces it in a variety of others. That's right. Email. Nobody was able to get in touch. If you in the 1970s when you left your job, somebody would have to call you on the phone if something happens after five minutes. Yeah. Now everybody just sends an email. People are, if you know white

color workers, they're slaves to their phones. And they're slaves to their phones, not just for work purposes. But they also have gambling entertainment. And Instagram reels and TikTok. And you end up focusing so much on this device that you forget all of the other

I ever did was get rid of email. Yeah. 10 years ago. No email. And I don't know. I don't think it's

“maybe less productive. I think it's maybe more productive. Right. And you're in the position to do that.”

But there are a lot of people who work with. Oh, wait. No, it's a privilege. Yeah. Exactly.

I'm very aware of that. Right. And then I always think, I don't, I'm also in a position where

I'm my own boss. I can do what I want. That's incredible feeling. I don't take that for granted for a single degree because I know so many people who are living in effective wage slavery, who are chained to the desk. And they're making good money, but they're spending all that money because they need to be able to buy a home or to support their child or pay for daycare. Their wife has to work, even though she doesn't want to work. And that's tragedy, actually

to me. And so what our system has done is when they say productivity, they want to make that person more productive. What I want to do is to give that person more leisure or more ability to the extent that they're more productive. I want them to be able to use that productivity

“to make up the time and spend it with their kids. There was a viral interaction. I think”

it was Sam Altman who was talking about being able to create custom podcasts that he said parents could listen to these custom podcasts in the car with their children. To use chatchipeteed, calendars, and other than play that podcast, he said I could imagine something. I might butcher this, but it's like the ability to play that custom chatchipeteed podcast while the parent drives their kid to school. And any real parent is like, I don't want to do any of it.

Well, imagine a world in which you're getting parenting advice from Sam Altman. Exactly. No, honestly, like a normal society be like, hey, take a pass on that Sam Altman. When I drive my kid to school, when I drive my kid to school, I want to ask her how her day is. Yeah, go ask my washing machine. So I don't know. What are you weighing on us to if you don't understand? Do not tell me how I should be interacting with my child on the drive. Yeah. But that's

what ultimately their vision for society is de-personalized and is entirely sacrifice to the

phone, which ultimately is to their profit is that the more time I spend on chatchipeteed, the more ads they can serve me of them a free version, the more my data that they can suck up, the more that they could potentially, there's no restrictions really on any of that data that could do anything they want. How many people have, there have been cases, lawyers have used chatchipeteed and they end up saying that's not privileged. And so they are able to subpoena some of your privileged

information. Nobody knew that. Nobody even thought about it. Whenever they were using it for that purposes. And so the amount of our personal lives that we give over to these things and then we allow it to make decisions for ourselves. I think one of the real lessons I've learned as an adult is that friction itself is learning and that there is deep joy on the other side of it.

“But, of course, you have to, in this modern world, you have to intentionally put yourself in this”

situation because it is too easy to outsource your thinking just to AI. It's too easy to just outsource your entertainment necessarily to gamble with everybody else and all of that or doing. It seems an easy way to get rich. But the system, everything is designed to be extractive from you. And so, what do I want from our leaders? I want them and that. I want them to create a society where, you know, everybody at home is on a slave to their phone or to gambling or to any other

extractive means to be able to spend time with their families, to be able to do it on a modest budget. We're not saying it's for free, but on a modest budget to be able to take a vacation or

to. And then the most important thing that your child will grow up and have a better life than you do,

which has been broken of the social contract since my generation in the millennia. That's exactly right. So, I just a couple more very quick questions about politics because you follow it closely. Do you think that there is a sizable number of Trump voters, 2024 Trump voters who would vote for DSA candidates? I've thought about this a lot. We don't have enough evidence yet. Michigan will be the big test. There was a sizable contingent of Trump

Mombani voters. I do know that. Is that true? We interviewed many of them on our show. We sent our producer out, found many of them. There's there's a decent overlap, actually. Maybe 10, 15% or so of the people who ended up voting for Mombani or AOC even who voted for Trump. All of it came down to the anti-war position. I do think specifically on issue contingent things like Israel, the war with Iran, there is a massive swing group, which in our modern politics is everything.

The ability to swing even 2% of the electorate is the difference between winning or losing in half of the states that Trump won in 2024. So, if you're asking me, is that contingent, the independent contingent available? I would say yes. But I do think that many conservatives harbor a dream, a dream which is I wish for too, but which is just not reality. Where Fox News

or are they going to turn on Trump? We haven't seen enough evidence of that. We just haven't seen enough evidence in terms of the support for the war with the 65 plus coalition, self-identified magas still seems very appreciative of Trump, like Trump. Now, the argument there it would be self-identified magas and much more restricted group than where it used to be before. And I would make that argument because I say that the independent people out of that, but the people who are still

in are very much in. Thomas Massey actually said that to me. He said that the reality is that

the Republican primary voter was still willing to go with Trump on Israel and with Trump with the Adelson's and with Israel on the Iran War and they were able to vote him out of office. And he lamented that fact specifically about elderly Republicans. And so, but it's going to just want to break into a mint. I don't know. I don't know because Trump is how will he respond to the midterms? I mean, this is going to be self-reflection. Or is it just... I want she a ground war with

Iran, probably. Launching a ground war, he will be the most, and this is part of the foolishness,

where do I wonder, like, do they have any self-preservation instincts? You were around for Clinton's

“98 onwards. That's your life, Mr. President. That's what your life is going to be like,”

under a Democratic House. And a Democratic Senate and a House? Good luck to you, sir. The amount of money... If you're a pointy, I hope you all saved a lot of money. Your legal fees are going to be insane. I hope you all signed up for legal insurance. If you served in doge or ice or in the Pentagon or any of these, you will be called before the Congress. You will be inundated by subpoena. There will be independent councils and all kinds of absolute insanity waged against you. And it's your fault

for allowing the country to get to a position where something like that could be elevated. That will be what his life is going to look like. His last two years in office. If things are trending

“in the way, I think they're trending. And you think they'll lose the Senate? It's possible. It's”

probably not 100%. That one, there's still structural advantages for some of the Republicans. It depends on the course of the Iran war. I would say the gas price there probably matters more than anything, but we're close enough where Iran gets a vote in this war, too. It'd be very hard to go from economic D-Day back to $3.50 gasoline. So, in the reality of where things seem to be going, I would at least say this. They have a 50% chance, which is 25% higher than

it should have been. And so, if they have a 50% chance, maybe even a little bit more of that to be able to take the Senate, we could even see a weight style of a take-go. I can see that. I mean, in my bell curve of possibilities, if things go dramatically in one vision, you can see Texas going democratic. Oh, especially with, yeah, especially with -- He's got Abbott and Pakistan, and there's enough drama there. You could see Alaska. There's actually some questions

that are up there. You could see, I mean, I saw a crazy poll out of Kansas who knows if it's true,

“could just been leaked Democratic opposition. But as you remember from 2008, you can have”

Democratic senators in all kinds of places, which you never would think even possible. And maybe,

you know, we're still too partisan of a country, but people are very upset. There's a combination of people being very upset. And then a combination of people being very demoralized. And then even the hardcore ones, why do they come out to vote? Because Trump is not on the ballot. And that is a perfect storm for those three things to come together for a potential situation, like the one I just laid out. It sounds right to me. Yeah. I'll check Polymark it for the others.

So, you're thank you for that was so smart. Thank you, Tucker. I need it. I appreciate it.