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AI is suddenly taking over the world,
technology progressing faster than people can metabolize, or understand. And yet the population doesn't seem to be thriving. People don't seem happier. So it's possible that technological progress isn't really progress.
If the cost is the destruction of our social fabric and an epidemic of unhappiness and loneliness.
“Maybe that's why we need to return to the truths that bring meaning to our lives.”
Our friend Sean Stone is just written a book about that. Here it is. It's called 10 Things to Learn Ancient Wisdom for the Modern Soul. It's available now on TuckerCrossandBooks.com.
He joins us now to tell us all about it.
So Sean, in some ways, it's kind of a striking claim that you're making. You're saying that the ancient world, a world without, I don't know, space travel, or even flush toilets, was wiser in some ways than our world. This technologically advanced civilization that we live in. How was it wiser, do you think?
Because wisdom isn't necessarily a product of technology. I would say, right, as we know, wisdom is something that's earned, that's lived. And so the ancients, I think, understood things about the nature of humanity. And it's not only ancient, I mean, we draw upon, in the book, we draw upon some films that are a little bit closer to us, time-wise.
But yeah, a lot of the stories that I draw upon are from the east, the bag of a guita, a lot from the Bible, a lot of Bible stories, the Christ's story. And then obviously ancient Greece. And so why? Because we've been telling stories for thousands of years.
“And I think that's essential to the human experience, right?”
Why do we look to stories? When I grow up, it was like, what was the moral of the story?
When you watch a movie, when you read a book, that was always the question.
And I don't know that people aren't necessarily thinking along those terms anymore. You know? We've got so much streaming at us that it's almost more about the spell of continuation. I know especially, you see with CB shows and whatnot, where it's just meant to hook you and keep you almost like the old days with the episodes.
With the episodes where it's like it's the next commercial, right, so you can say what happens next. I understand the edge of your seat, but the duty of a story of a book or a myth or a movie even is always sort of that experience of engaging with something, right? And then sitting with it, having it, hopefully having a cathartic experience through that
process, right, of a totals of watching a total story or hearing a story. And long herself to be moved by it or learn something from it.
“And so that's, I think the heart of what I'm trying to do here is to just sort of boil”
down some lessons that we can take from these stories from the ancient world and even something that some of them close to the modern world. What an interesting observation, so you're saying that previous civilizations and previous times have focused on what people are like, the nature of humanity you called it. So that suggests that human nature doesn't change.
Technology may change the outward manifestations of a society may change, but people do not. Yeah, we're still grappling with what, with what it means to be human. I started grappling with it. I guess, you know, when I was young and I came back to it with the documentary called
Medahuman, where I was interviewing people like Deepak Chopra and others and we're at the cost, but as you know, a transhuman that gender, transhuman age, where people are talking about this idea of modifying the human, transforming the human, modifying us genetically modifying us by potentially merging us with computers and whatnot, and yet we don't really understand what it even is to be a human being, right?
And we have this body, we have a body that has a certain level of, well, not a certain level, a huge amount of knowledge itself, right? The body is so, is so wise and so intelligent and it connects us, you know, I believe, to the spiritual realm. You know, we feel it with our emotional states, for example, and, you know, really having
higher mental intelligence or cognitive ability does not necessarily make you a more empathetic being more emotionally attuned to being, right? So as they say, like, there's emotional intelligence and that, you know, having higher IQ let's say, it doesn't necessarily translate to having a greater bandwidth for emotional intelligence.
That's for sure. This paradoxical thing is happening where as life becomes physically easier for people more comfortable, more abundant food, less physical labor, people are not getting happier. But instead are getting more despondent to the point where the suicide rate rises, what is that?
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of darkness, we know, in our world, in our, you know, and
That can't, and he said, you can't just get rid of darkness by my, by my expe...
or making things faster, let's say, right, giving us more information.
“I think information overload is, is a very real thing.”
I certainly, I grapple with it, I'm sure you do in some ways that the access to information is readily there, and yet we have to still prioritize our own lives, and so going back to like what the book is about is just recognizing that you can't, you can't get rid of the process, let's say, of being human, you can't get, you know, you can't expedite that, you can't get rid of the falling, you can't get rid of the need to surrender to, I believe,
to a higher power, right, and let, you know, and let things play out, because we don't have, you know, we don't have control, and there's an illusion of control, and I think this has been very much what has been sold to us, you could say, you know, going back to the
center of the self-concept, right, the marketing campaigns of the first, you know, Bernays
of the private agreement of the first famous admin, right, the nephew of Sigmund Freud, and a lot of it's playing upon our, our urges and our instinctual urges, right, to satisfy things, food, sex, marketing, you know, material, goods, things like this, right, and yet, just because you have a material reality that's satisfying, it doesn't mean that you're emotionally happy or at peace, in fact, oftentimes we see people that have more are the
most fearful, you know, oftentimes the one, you know, why, you know, I've thought often times like why are these people like Bill Gates and others who have so much, so intent on trying to control humanity, right, or even control the population, or, you know, control the individual again, transhuman modalities, oftentimes go down to this question of, you know, trying to mind control the masses, trying to control other people, trying to control
behavior, trying to control the environment. We have, that's, I would say, a fear-based way of approaching life, as opposed to a way of surrendering and saying, you know, there's a higher power of work and how do we hopefully show up and be better people, more empathetic people, without trying to control or manipulate others. Control is a theme that runs throughout this book and our lack of it and the need to acknowledge that, to, to identify the things that
we cannot change and to, and submit to them. Why do you think that fact is almost never
noted in public by anybody that actually, you can't control most important things. Why don't
“just say that? Yeah, I think it's, you know, again, we come and work on the out of, as Americans,”
right, and so a certain level of, there is this exceptionalism, I think, you know, in terms of America, and in some ways, rightfully so, because, you know, our Constitution is so unique, and so, you know, beautifully, you know, particularly the promise of the Declaration of Independence is, is real, you know, this idea that God is endowing us with these, with these rights and governments. And yet, you know, we live in a society, you know, in America, where we do, you know,
who we are used to sort of trying to control things, especially when we look at global matter, global affairs, right, you know, it's like the U.S. wants to be in control of the world, it seems, right, whether it's economic, militarily, things like this, and in the, in the travel abroad, and I think people are generally speaking a little bit less demanding when it comes to the desire to control. I don't think that they have that belief, maybe, that we do,
that's part of our economic success as a country, right, that we feel like, oh, we've achieved wealth. So then, as I said, the more you achieve materially oftentimes, it can put you in a state of fear. Like, I've got, you know, I've achieved, I've got a large bank account, I've got a house, I've got whatever, I've built a business and you're afraid of losing it. So I think that the more you
“have, in genders, the more fear of loss. And that's why, you know, there's such a, again, this,”
this book keeps relating back to those stories about starting with the fall, like failure and
falling is okay. It's a necessary aspect of reality, the story of, of Job and the Bible is so powerful
for that reason, right, a man who loses everything, and yet sustains his faith. And then, thankfully, he's rewarded in his faith, and he's able to laugh again after the tragedy of everything taken away from him. So, the desire for control, I think, is just an aspect of, of what you could call success. Yes. Yes. Yeah, Jesus touches touches on this at some length, in the Gospels. Of course. Of course. Last, and it's so rarely said, and so welcome to hear it.
My last question, derives from your title, which mentions the human soul, something else. It's rarely even alluded to in modern life, but the, but they need to tend to it. It's, of course, the essence of who you are, and if you ignore it, it doesn't thrive. So, what, what's your, what is
One practice that, that you observe to tend to your soul, and that you would ...
Yeah, it's, and, you know, thankfully, even though it was, you know, I could say I was born into
“privilege, right, and, and the acknowledge that it's not white privileges, the privilege of having a,”
you know, parents that were able to provide for me, you know, having a certain amount of wealth
available at access to things, being able to travel the world, see things, and, you know, from
me on age, my parents introduced me to spiritual teachings and practices, you know, my dad,
“more with meditation, trying to, you know, just start the day by checking into yourself, just”
sitting with yourself, right? And, and my mother more with a mixed Christian, like a Christian tradition, but also open to like reading the, the religious texts of other, of other cultures to understand that there is a higher power at work. And so, I would say that there's a chapter on breathing
“for this reason, right, through our breath, we are connecting to the divine, and we come back,”
whether it's with meditation or prayer, right, we come back to the power of breath, speech,
right, and all the religious traditions, it's always right, speech, because this is the, this is
the beginning of everything, breathing, speaking, right, trying to put good intention into the world, and, and how we, you know, how we show up, how we reflect ourselves. And so, I would say that just by acknowledging the breath, we are connecting to spirit. And that's the magic of our reality, that, you know, the scientists can't figure out no matter how much they, you know, they try, like, what is, what is the source of life, right, what is the source of, of, of life, and the universe,
what is the source of, of humans, right, and I would say that if we tune in with the breath and we start to connect to our spirit, to our intuition, our inner knowing, we can, we can work, we can work with the power that's, that's working through us. Thanks for watching, you're copy of Sean Stone's book, 10 Things to Learn, Ancient wisdom for the modern soul, at Tuckercrossandbooks.com, and we hope you will.
