Shawn Ryan: Trump’s Betrayal, Iran, Government Spying, Encounters With Demons, and Finding God

It's love coming back here. So I was thinking about you this morning. You've had this kind of unbelievably weird and varied life. And maybe the weirdest chapter is now unfolding where you somehow wound up a successful podcaster, probably not something you planned to have to lean on.

“Twenty years ago, what if you learned from it from this chapter?”

What have I learned? Well, I probably only retain 10% of the information. I need to be honest with you. Everybody expects me to be a resident expert on anything. I can't remember shit.

And then I think I know something that I have dinner with you last night.

I've never realized I really don't know anything.

I don't know either. But the ignorant meeting the ignorant. But what have I learned? Um, I've learned I'd never want to involve myself in the US political system or vouch for any man again.

I've learned. Wait, let's just stop there. So you didn't start out a hyper political person. I remember when your podcast started by nephew told me about it. He loved it.

So I met you because my nephew was so impressed by you. And it was mostly, I kind of military issues. And then there was this period where you, I don't know, got involved. But you got closer to the political process. And now you're saying you don't want anything to do with them.

No, I never, I just don't.

Why?

“Well, I've been, I think we kind of discussed it last time.”

I just, every, everything is a lie. We looked up, became like a coin term. I guess, but everything is a lie. I mean, every, every politician I've sat across from with maybe the acceptance, the exception of Eli Crane who I disagree with on a lot of.

Yep. I, I hate that I even have to say that. I don't, I don't agree with everything. Everything they have to say. So why the fuck do we have to say that?

I like Eli.

Um, he's very, you know, pro is wrong, not.

But, um, but he can articulate why is. And whatever, I respect it, at least he's not regurgitating. Yes, you know, like most people. But everybody else, it's just, you know, it's been a lie. And, and then the other thing is, I mean, which is really shouldn't bother me,

but you, you talk to somebody. And then it's like, you, you, I'll dare you platform that person. And it's like, actually, I probably just did your favor because he just spent four hours lying to be on my podcast that you're going to be able to use for his next political camp. It's exactly fucking stupid to figure that out, aren't you?

But, um, but I mean, it is, you know, and they do. And, and, and, I just, I don't know, you know, I put a, a lot of faith and a lot of these guys. Yeah. And women, you know, that have come on and, really, I, the only one that really impressed me was Joe Kent, you know, on the long run.

Everybody else has just been a, a wash or a just book or a complete disaster. Just a lying piece of shit. What about you? Everyone, as we discussed last night dinner, I, I'm still trying to figure out what all of this means is someone who campaigned for Trump and told everybody Trump is the option to the

uniform party. You got Republicans, Democrats are on the same side, but Trump is not. He's on a different side, maybe even the public side. And then Trump, the last hope, winds up aligning with Chuck Schumer and just joins the uniformity in the most obvious way.

“At that point, you have to ask yourself, is there a political solution to the problems that we have?”

And I don't, I don't know the answer, but I'm starting to think maybe there isn't. I don't know, I feel as discouraged as you do though. I don't articulate it quite as well. And, fortunately, as you do, but I kind of feel that way. So, but I'm interviewing you. So let me ask you, you're out of politics. So where does that leave you? What, what matters? What takes its place?

I think, I mean, just, I'm not sure yet. I'm still, you know, we talk last night. I'm kind of going through not kind of going through crazy spiritual transformation right now. And I think, I think, God needs to be highlighted and maybe some, in some good stuff. I mean, nobody's, I mean, you just, you can't put faith in man at all. And it's kind of sad to watch everybody scurrying around trying to find the next guy.

And who's it going to be? And you can already see people just like blindly like putting their faith into another human being.

I became obsessed with evil, like obsessed with it.

And it started with the kid stuff, which I'm still, I'll probably never stop that.

That's just a passion of mine that I, you know, I can, I can handle it.

“Like I can handle the subject better and I think it's important.”

I know, you know, we've done a lot of good there. And by educating parents and kids about what, you know, what's actually going on. And I mean, the roadblocks, for example, we did an episode on what was going on on roadblocks. And I think we took like five or six billion dollars off the, the cap table in one day or one week. I mean, and I think, you know, that's good. But so where am I going? Wait, can you back up, you became obsessed with evil?

Yeah, I just, well, I think it started, you know, with COVID and, and, and the LGBTQ stuff. And I don't, I don't really care about, I don't care what adults are doing, but, you know, eight year old kids.

“That that's just really bothered me. Like it still does really bothers me.”

And so that's kind of where it started, and then, and then, and then, it's just everywhere you look. You know, everywhere you look is a lie and the institutions are lying, the politicians are lying, that everybody's lying. People are manufacturing narratives, just for, just to create controversies, so they can, you know, boost their views. And I don't know who to believe, I don't know what to believe anymore at all. And, um, I mean, everything, even here, like, with, uh, what's his name, Steve, Steve, he's a reporter here.

The small, your fraud that's going on. Oh, that's Steve Robbins. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that guy. He's a great man. But it just, I just, uh, I got, I just, I don't know.

“I just, I don't know. I just became obsessed with, like, uncle, all this shit that's going on in the world.”

And it's dark, man. So you felt it was your job to cover evil. Yeah, and, and, uh, you know, I, I, I say that, oh, I can't be influenced. Like, I don't let advertisers influence me. And I don't let politicians tell me what to do, even though they're calling me trying to, you know, tell me what to do. Don't talk about the land sale and you talk, don't talk, you know, don't talk about it. Actually, this guy really helped me with my campaign. Actually, I don't really give a fuck who helped you with your campaign.

Um, but, no, I lost where I was going with this, but, well, you said you became obsessed with evil, uncovering evil. You focused on evil, and that somehow led to a spiritual transformation.

Yeah. Well, so it never ends. It's basically what I'm getting. Oh, I was talking about audience and I was talking about being influenced.

Yeah. And then, and then everywhere you go, people are patting you on the back and patting you on the back and you know, good job, you know, you're doing God's work, you're doing this. And you see the views and you see the comments and you see the likes and you see the, you see the, the reaction videos and everybody's just praising you. And, um, and it gets to you. I didn't realize it was getting to me, but it's not the criticism that destroys you. It's very flattery. Yeah. That destroys you because you, but, uh, they don't know what God wants.

So you got all these millions of people, you know what I mean, interacting with you telling you these things, everywhere you go. And it gets to you know, you know, I did, you know, we talked last night about my laugh. I just got back from a, I began five of me experience. Didn't go great. Um, found hell. Hell, hell.

And I don't, I don't want to go too far into it. I don't know. I've been built town on your show, but it's okay. But, um, I'm just not ready, you know, to, to dive into it. Um, but, yeah, I, I, I, I felt what helped was just was going to be like not like seeing devils and fire and whatever demons and all that like it was, it was a feeling.

I never, ever want to feel that again ever. So, you know, successful experience, I guess I never ever want to do it again. Maybe the most successful experience.

Yeah, it definitely sent me down a new, uh, a new path that I'm still trying to figure out, but, um, you know, I went to mass on Sunday and my full bone come back into the Catholic church now and.

Have you heard this? No analogy and he was.

Good people are the wheat and, and the bad are the weeds and, and every once in a while, well, a weed will come out and he'll start calling out all the weeds only to become a weed himself. And basically what he's getting at is, you know, we, I can sit here and I can call out this evil like all all the time, you know, and uncover all the fucked up shit that everybody's doing that everybody, you know, is just put their blind faith in and, but in the end we're all evil. We all have an evil side to us, and then you meet these people in a very charismatic, you know, like, oh man, he seems like a really nice person, he's a nice guy, maybe yes.

“But he's influenced, they are influenced, we are influenced and, and, and I think it's time to, I just think it's time to turn a corner because because we are all, we all have an evil side.”

We all are selfish in our own ways and, and it's too easy to call other people out all the time.

Yeah, yeah, and maybe they don't realize they're doing, I think a lot of them do, I think a lot of them know, but I don't think that's really necessarily what God wants, you know. The way I used to do it is, I would wait until something came across my desk or something came to my attention that I felt really passionate about you like kids and, and then I would, and then I would do the thing and it would be so explosive. It would be like the perfect storm, and then, and then all the praise came behind that, and I think I got caught up in that praise and then, and then I'm now I'm searching, you know, for the what's the next, what's the next thing, you know, let's talk about.

“They're a link, let's talk about, yeah, let's talk about Trump, let's talk about Israel, let's talk about everybody, yeah, and everybody's doing something and, well, so a lot more than others and I'm still passionate about those topics, but.”

But I never ends, that never ends, then I don't, I don't, I feel like I was maybe shown hell, and I'm still experiencing it.

For a reason, and, you know, I gave you the analogy last night that if my son's, you know, playing with the electrical socket, and he keeps taking his finger in there, I'm, and I'm like no, don't, hey, you're going to shock yourself, hey, go, time out, all right, that's it, you know, go to your whatever, eventually I'm just going to let him. I don't think his finger in there and, and figure out why I don't want him to stick his finger in, yes, and I think maybe that's what, maybe that's what Christ did to me, he's, he was, he was like, all right, there it is, buddy, you want to feel it, that's what it is.

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The worst feeling I've ever felt in my mind is indescribable. It's funny. Normally, I have curiosity. I would like want to know more, but I actually don't want to know more because it's upsetting even hearing that.

And so you came away thinking that God directed you to this place to teach you something and that thing was you want to avoid hell. I hope that's what it is. First, I thought that's where I'm going.

“And now I think, baby, that's what it is. What were your first reactions like your first action was I don't want to go there. So what do you do to keep from going there.”

Pray, build a relationship, plan some seeds, maybe. I don't know. I'm still trying to figure it out. You know, one thing I told you, I've read maybe half the Bible.

I can comprehend maybe five ten percent of it. And so one thing I'm kind of kicking around is is maybe going through every book and doing a full blown.

I mean, look, we both have access to pretty much anything but we want in the world. And so that's the upside of the job is it. Just to you, too. No, it's fair. But maybe I, you know, I bring on the best and the best, theologians maybe, whoever I want to learn from and bring them in and, well, let's start with Genesis. And it'll force me to read it. And then maybe we do this every week, maybe we do it every other week, maybe we do it every day. I don't know yet. I'm actually have a meeting with with my team who's like extended family to me about how we're going to put this all together.

Is everyone on your team on onboard with this way of thinking, do you think? Yeah. You've been Christian? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

“When you started, what year did you start the podcast? Christmas 2019 2019 boy, that's fast. So seven, almost seven years, what were your views on Christianity then?”

I mean, I just didn't really think about it. Yeah. You know, I didn't just didn't really think about it. I didn't really think about politics, but then COVID happened, you know, shortly, what, a couple months after. And so that's kind of when I started paying attention. I was pissed off about things about Benghazi and Hillary Clinton and stuff like that, but other than that, it was like a different world, doesn't it? Yeah, definitely. It was a different world. But, I just, I've just learned you can't, you just can't really trust anybody in that realm. Very few people. He can trust and I interviewed this guy, Pete Blaber.

“If you heard a Pete Blaber was a Colonel over a Delta, and I mean, we both know that tons of lies have come out of the military. It's, it's, it's, I've noticed. Yeah, I mean,”

some of the biggest, he talked about the Pat Tellman stuff. He talked about Operation Anaconda, you know, still another lie coming out of development group. Lots of the lots of lies coming out of the sealed teams. Lots of movies made that were bullshit. And, but he actually uncovered a lot of that stuff on my show because he was a part of it. And, like, the Iraq invasion was based off a lies. You know about this, the water truck and the air conditioning unit in the century guard. No. So there's a Delta unit out there. And, um, when Colin Powell was what sucked off was that what he was.

Yeah, for Secretary Steve. Yes, Secretary, to put ever. And, um, they sent him some energy imagery and Pete was like Pete was said, I don't want to hear what you guys think the stuff is me and my guys will figure it out. We'll get it back to you. And then, and then you have an unbiased, we don't want to be swayed. And, um, so they, they checked into it. And, so what, what I guess to part of the state said was a mobile.

What Delta, you know, arguably the best special operations here in the world came up with is that's a water truck.

“Cause, uh, in the middle of the desert and they need water. And that big air filtration unit on the roof is an air conditioner.”

Cause they're the desert. And the century guard outside is, uh, dude taking a piss. They sent it in. And they totally discarded everything and launched the invasion. And so, you know, and then, and then there's, you know, you know, about all the thing. I don't want to get into it. But, uh, with all the lies coming out of just the seal teams alone. And, there are a lot of lies coming out of the seal teams. Oh, yeah, you know, it's a, um, this was a total fuck up. Let's hand out some awards and turn some people into heroes and that kind of stuff.

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How do the men who receive those awards do that? Because they know. I don't know. I don't know. But they don't look happy. They don't look like happy people. But at least to me. But it just, you know what it may be. Realize is like man. I was like a shame to have ever even been a seal. And there's all kinds of the Eddie Gallagher case. I was all fucking lies. I mean, there's lots of, they're going to pin their own guys to the wall. You know what I mean for bullshit, the blackwater incident. That was all lies. They deleted the drum, the drum footage approved their innocence.

But it just made me think of like man. Like I was a part of that institution.

That's, it was you never was. And you were never an avisiel.

I mean, I don't regret it. I enjoyed my time there. But I mean, it just, I obviously don't align with the ethics. And I'm whatever value system they're going off of, which seems to be much. But anyway, so the point being is, that's just one institution inside of the U.S. Navy. That's it. The one small, like very sealed teams. Very, very small part of the U.S. Navy. And then he started my range of Italian. And then there's all these other units. And it's, and it just made me think it's like man. Like this is just one war in one small part of the U.S. government.

Very small part. So that means every single U.S. institution out there is doing the same shit. Obviously, see, I, obviously FBI of everything, all Congress, all of the Senate, everybody in it, the presidents, everybody. And it just, it made me realize how this, the whole country's just built up dishonesty. Literally lies. And then you think, man, I'm only, I'm only 40 years, only 43 years old. Like a very small snippet in the time of the country, let alone the world in all the other countries and all of their institutions.

And then, and then it's just, it's like what we said last time, everything is a lie. Everything you fucking know is a lie. Everything you think you know, everything in the history books. It's all fucking lies. All of it.

So there's only one truth.

“And I, I think that's, I'm just not really interested in anything else anymore, because it's all garbage.”

You said, you know, black book right behind you, the Holy Bible. That's the one truth. That's it. You can't even look anywhere else. It's so, it's so painfully obvious at this point to me. Other than the experience you just had that you alluded to, what convinced you, that that's real? Yeah. Well, I've had a ton of encounters.

But encounters. Yeah, you know.

I mean, I'd like to, I mean, even after that, there's, there's been a, after, it's been a long three weeks.

And I'll just say this.

“I've talked to some of the most respected exercises in the country.”

And I've been working with them and things have happened. And, like, really scary shit. And if that's happening, and that's real, which is more real than anything I've ever experienced. Then the other is definitely real, too. That's right. It's exactly right. It's exactly right. If there are supernatural forces that are evil, acting on people, which there are,

and I've experienced them personally, then that's proof of God. Is that, is that what you're saying? Yeah, it's not faith to me anymore. It's fact. It is a hundred percent fact. There's just, there's just no other way to look at it. Isn't that a comforting fact? Yeah, it is. I mean, I don't know what the hell we're in for here in the future.

So, but I mean, it's definitely comforting. No one that if you, if you, if you do the right thing, and we all know what that is, then you do your best, then hopefully you're going to end up, you know, doing a good place. I'm not sure all of us know what the right thing is. When you say, "Do the right thing, what is that thing?"

“Oh, I think people know. It's a feeling.”

Do you think these people all feel good about all the lies? No. They get lost, and if they're lies so much, they forget what they lie about. Can you keep track of them all? One thing is like that, isn't it? Did you, there's don't want to talk about hell in the United States, you're younger than I am,

but we've grew up in the same country. You know, you know, you can go a whole day without hearing anyone mention hell in a literal sense. There's no most Americans don't really believe there's an actual risk of going to hell. Did you? Yeah.

But I just never imagined it to be anything close to what I just experienced.

No, never. What did you think it was? I don't know, you know, and I don't know. I mean, I don't think the human mind can imagine that kind of agony and torture and, and, a loneliness, a loneliness. I don't think it, I don't think it, you just can't.

You can't put it together unless you feel it. And I, I either felt the small glimpse or I got the whole thing. Either way, I'm sure it could be a lot worse. I don't know how. But this, it was bad.

It was really the most terrifying thing I've ever experienced in my entire life. I can't even, I just can't even describe it. I actually brought my priest on and recorded a whole episode on this.

But I wanted for my family to see if nothing else. You know, I want my son and my daughter to see it eventually. Maybe they'll go through something similar. And like I said, it's ongoing. So I want to, I'm not out of whatever this is yet.

Because I want to document the whole spirit experience. Some people journal it. I just shoot the video, I talk. Why wouldn't you release that? I don't know.

I don't know. I just want to make sure I have a, I'm in a clear headspace before I, before I do do it. You don't know what I mean? I think that's very wise.

I never wait for a clear headspace before making decisions.

I usually don't either. I think the bright spending time. I usually don't either. Yeah, no, I'm not a pause before acting guy. He gets, I mean, I think you know, I've been pretty vulnerable. I'm an open book.

And it's, I don't know. Maybe I just save this one from myself because most of my stuff is out there.

“And, you know, the only thing I really don't talk about is like my family.”

But that's not you. That's them. You're protecting it. But, you know, it gets weird, like, meet people and they, they think they know you. Because they do kind of, but you like, what do you know about me? What have you heard that I've said?

You don't know nothing about that. I'm going to just put you in a really uncomfortable state sometimes. Do you know what I mean? Do I know what you mean? Yeah.

You get used to it after a while.

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Dutch.com/tucker. But yeah, of course, I know what you mean. Yeah, it's weird, but you know, everyone has a weird life in their own way and that's the way that we have a weird life.

“So that's what I think to myself anyway.”

Everyone's got their own thing they have to deal with. Yeah, but that is very strange. And it can make you a solitary person and you wind up. Not wanting to deal with anyone you don't know well and trust. That's me.

I'm fine with that though. I am too. I don't even like doing these anymore. I haven't even done one of these since yours. Really?

Yeah, don't. I don't. I don't like doing them anymore. I feel like everybody has an expectation of me.

And I never want to get caught up talking about shit that I don't know.

I see a lot of people that, you know, that they, they turn into a character. They feel pressure like they have to know something. And then they just fucking go with it. You know, it's like, you actually have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. I've been there so many.

If you run a cable news show where you're not in control of the topics. You're responding to the day's news. I did this for like 25 years. And you just, you know, you look at the papers or Twitter or whatever.

“And so whatever everyone's talking about, that's what you have to talk about.”

And sometimes it's right in your sweet spot of knowledge and other times it's so far out. You know, it's about American Indian reservation policy or something. It's like you don't know anything. And you, all of a sudden you sort of look down on the set and see yourself. Speaking of kind of a commanding tone with.

Yeah, false authority on something. You literally know nothing about it all. And then, eventually, it got. Of course, or you indict yourself. Like who's self respect after, well, because you know it's all fake.

Which is worse.

And I've definitely participated in that.

You know, definitely participated in that. Let me tell you, but the Hungarian Civil War says the man doesn't speak Hungarian or whatever. You know what I mean? It's like, um, yeah, that's bad. And that's the beauty of this gig is you get to pick.

You could talk about what you want to talk about. And if you have some restraint and again, some self respect, you restrict yourself to topics that. You know, you have developed views about some knowledge of, you think matter, like objectively matter. Yeah. You don't have to talk about other people's priorities.

So that helps. Yeah.

I like hanging out with you, though.

So I want to do this one. I like I like this one. Yeah. Well, I'm not. I'm too old to judge.

But, um, but I mean, you know, back to the. And it just got to the point to where I just, I don't even know. Like, I'm just being the same fucking drum over and over. And it's like, yeah, what are we doing here, man? Is anything getting solved?

Like, everybody knows what's going on right now. Right. It's, it's how many times can you point out that everything's alive before it's like pointless pretty much. And discouraging, by the way, is that this is what I think to myself, because I have had exactly the same thoughts that you're describing. It's like, is this good? Is it good to keep telling? I mean, obviously 9/11 is not what they told us.

I'm not exactly sure what it was, but they're lying about it. Kennedy assassination. Obviously they're lying about it. Everything they're lying about because they're liars.

So I've made all those points about a million times, but with decreasing enthusiasm and at a certain point you're like.

I'm telling people something they already know.

“I'm not actually bringing the truth because the truth is unknowable.”

Like, I can't figure out what happened really. And maybe I'm just making people hopeless. It's kind of what I'm getting at. I mean, what do you think it looks like if, well, not really. I mean, I think I don't even think we're the super power anymore.

I think that's become a more and more obvious every day, but a lot of people do. So let's phrase it like this. Do you think it looks like if we do lose this, lose our place in the world? Is it, do you think it's going to be that bad? I've been looking into some of this with what happened when Germany fell, and what happened when the UK fell,

and what happened to the USSR when it fell, and some were really bad, and some of them, like the UK stuff didn't. It didn't really seem that bad, but they still had law and order. I honestly was still worth money. I think they had a lot of debt. Property rights still existed.

And, but they just, the world figured it out. We don't need to answer these people anymore. There's no sheriff in town.

“There are only two things you need to survive long term, in my opinion.”

One is a coherent nation. Like you have to have Germans. Like everyone understands what a German is. You've got a shared history, language, cultural assumptions. Like you have some in common with your countrymen. And you have to have your dignity, and yourself respect.

You can't be convinced to hate yourself just because you lost something. They can't break your spirit. They can't turn you into the prison bitch. And because if that happens, then there's no recovery at all, and the loss isn't measured in GDP. It's like much bigger than that. And so I would argue that the collapse of the British Empire, the collapse of the German state,

in 1945, the country was literally split in half. I mean, those were pretty soft lanes on a surface level, but they were profound. And those nations were destroyed for all time. Whereas Russia, which went through in '91 when the Soviet Union dissolved, went through a period of ten years of lawlessness, and the all-garks of the Mafia, and people getting shot to death in Moscow, and life expectancy plummeting,

and everything that we read about in the Western press, but actually Russia remained a coherent nation with a shared vision of the future. It remained an actual place, like a real place. And now it's recovered, and now it's a great power again. It's a world's largest country, and it has a sense of itself as that, and it will continue. It will outlive Germany and the UK, that's for sure.

Whether you, you know, my ancestors are from the UK, in Germany. So like I'm kind of on their side in some deep sense, but just objectively, they're not going to exist, because there's no such thing as a German anymore.

“The majority of birds in the UK are non-English, so like, what does it even mean to it?”

There's no country. But before that, I mean, it was a soft landing. Yeah, they had rationing in Britain for ten years after the war, and they had rash, I didn't really know.

Oh, it wrecked the British economy, the fall of Empire.

The Empire really ended in 1918, but whatever, the point is, Americans still thought Britain was a real country and impressive. It was our parent being ambassador, the court of St. James was the highest honor in the US State Department. Like, there was a lot of prestige that attached to Britain, not so much anymore, but the country itself was gone. And you know you're gone when you start importing people to replace your children. Like, that's just the most, you know, what's your birth rate doing?

Are people reproducing? Do they have enough confidence and enough self-respect to keep the project going? With their genes, and no, they don't. So, I think the bigger the Empire, the farther out over its skis, it gets, obviously, the more part of it falls. Exactly, the uglier the crash, and I'm worried about our country, because there is no coherent nation. Yeah, yeah.

Well, I spoke to an employer this morning, a big industrial employer who's a close friend of mine. You know, Republican optimistic, very smart, very smart person, very decent Christian person. And he said to me, we have zero unemployment in the state that these Midwestern states, it's zero unemployment. I don't care what they tell you.

“We can't find English speaking workers, nobody speaking English, and you have to work on our plan.”

You have to speak English for safety reasons. And we can't, there nobody speaks English. And see, in a major American Midwestern state, this is a major industrial company, it makes things. He said we can't, nobody. In fact, he told me one of his competitors is going out of business because of labor shortages.

And the problem is English, there's not enough English speakers in the United States to staff a factory.

Holy shit. So I think those of us who live in kind of legacy communities where, you know, half of your neighbors had an ancestor in the Civil War are not seeing what the country's becoming. Because we're cut off from it because we live in these little pockets that look like our childhood. But that's not a reflection of what the country is. That's not happening in Russia or China or Iran.

So those are the measures, like all this stuff. Oh, the nuclear program and whoever is writing the country today in yeltsin versus Putin's like your cares. That's all, that's all window dress. I mean, those are meaningful, I guess. I mean, of course, they're meaningful, but they're not ultimately the measures that matter.

“What matters is who lives in your country.”

Are there people who's ancestors live there? Or are they brand new people who have no connection on all the country? Or likely to treat the current occupants with contempt and the source of income. They'll be exploited anyway. So yeah, I'm concerned.

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“I think as you said we're all kind of evil.”

That's it. Yeah. I think so. I think I don't know how to fix it up here. I mean, what the fuck do I know, but I think that. I think maybe people need to tune out a little bit and start working on themselves.

For lack of a better term, be the person you want everybody else to be.

“And that problem will work, but that's what I'm going to do.”

That's the only thing that will work. Be the person you want everyone else to be. Have you ever had this experience when you're arguing with someone up to an including your wife, but you're mad at someone who you know well. And you look at that person in your mind you're like, I'm mad at Sean because he's doing this. He's being this way and if only he would stop doing this or being that way, things would be fine.

And then this is like a very common common marital experience, I think, for people.

And then you ultimately realize like whatever you're accusing the other person I'm doing is exactly what you're doing.

Like you're being crouchy. Yeah, I realize actually I'm being gross. Yeah. You don't think like me. That's what it is.

But there's something in people that wants to accuse others of doing exactly what they're doing. Have you done that? Oh, all the time. All the time. And it's sometimes I can't even see it because I'm big on self reflection.

And how I can improve and I'm really big on trying to make sure that I don't get too far ahead of my excuse. And my ego doesn't blow up, but you just don't see a lot of things. You don't see a lot of things in yourself. And or it's hard to. It's like I said.

“And so, like I told you last night, I'm not, I'm just not really, that's why I'm off everything now.”

The only thing I'm on is YouTube. But I don't even look at the back end of the metrics of the financials like I used to look. I'm not on Instagram. I'm not on X. I'm not on.

I'm not on anything. I don't want to see any comments. I don't want to see any view counts. I don't want to hear Sean. You're doing God's work.

I don't want to hear Sean. You suck. I don't want to hear Sean. You're fucking. Atari.

Whatever. I don't want to hear anything like I don't hear the praise. I don't want to see. I just want to hear God. And I want to be quiet.

So I can hear that and start leaning a lot more into my intuition.

Which I've always kind of pride in myself on anyways.

But it's impossible to do with all the noise, especially with all the praise. And so I needed to be quiet. So I know what to do and I know how to act. People will hear that and say, but you run one of the biggest podcasts. And your podcast is about the rest of the world.

How do you know what's happening in the rest of the world outside of your own home if you're not on social media? I don't care anymore. Okay. I don't care anymore. My podcast will be whatever I want it to be.

You know, and it always has. Well, I guess I can't say it always has been because I leaned into the audience, sir, for about probably a little over a year. Like leading up to the last presidential election. You know, I was doing what I wanted to do. But then I saw, you know, that's when all the praise started coming.

And I'm just I'm done with that. So I'm just waiting for God's direction to tell me what to do. I'm going to move the Bible thing.

“I think that's what I think that's I think that's what I'm supposed to do to your audience.”

I mean, that's a very familiar thing to anyone who does this for all the thing. Can you just describe that a little more for people who don't? Well, I mean, it's it's what I've been saying. It's it's the praise. It's the corresponding to the programming of a basis of it.

It's what are they. Oh, these numbers shot up. We need to do more of this. Oh, that's going to be big numbers. Let's do that.

You know, and I mean, I'm not saying like I totally sold out to it or anything. But it was a big driver. It was huge driver. Yes. You know, and and I wanted to I wanted to.

I wanted to take the numbers one slot. I wanted the 200 million dollar deal that Rogan got. I'm not going to get it. Let's just not how my life works. I always have to.

Nothing has ever handed to me.

And I always have to find other avenues to get what I want.

200 million dollars. Yeah. I mean, of course, that's what I want it now. I don't give a shit because I now I see it. It's just never fucking ends.

It never ends. At this or now I don't because now I. I was, you know, another thing I was I was putting business and in money.

I hate to say it like this.

“And that's not that wasn't my intention when I was doing it.”

But now that I can so-for-flet. I realized that I was putting money in attention. And maybe power. And I fucking thought I was somebody because I who I'm associated with. I can fucking access anybody in the world.

What the fuck do you know? They probably know more than I do. I don't know shit. And I'm watching my kids get older. And I'm like, fuck man, how much time did I miss?

Like, because my own bullshit, my own ego. Like, I'm fucking somebody. Look who I'm having lunch with. Look who I'm going to see. Look who I'm talking to.

I know everything. And then you get all the information. And what do you do with it? Nothing. You just fucking look cool.

You sound important. And your kids are growing up. Yeah. Makes me sad. I don't want to do that again.

If it makes you feel better having been in this business my whole life.

“I think every single person goes through what you've described.”

And the life cycle of yours is the shortest I've ever heard. But if you like figure that out in a year. You know, while your children are still small. You haven't gotten to the cats in the cradle stage, where they're like, yeah, you blew it dead.

We hate you.

I hope I never get to that stage.

Well, you won't. Because you figured it out young. You went through it really fast. But there are people I can think of one in particular. Really good guy.

Great guy. Very well-informed. Very famous person in our business. Missed isn't her life. Why is it tiring guy?

Fun guy to have lunch with. You know, knows everybody, knows everything. Funny story tower. You know, you'd like him. But a tragic, tragic person.

And was left at the end with literally nothing. Gone, man. Gone. It's gone. He gained the world, but lost his soul.

And I know a lot of people like that. Me too. Yeah. So, um, no, I couldn't agree with you more. So, you said that you have a program.

I mean, if you don't mind, I would love to know what your program is for keeping hubris at bay, for keeping yourself from imagining your God when you're not. Like, you're obviously just one, you're a seal. You're a self-discipline person. Like, what steps do you go through?

“Other than getting off social media to keep yourself from getting delusions of omnipotence?”

Well, this is all new to me. Yeah. So, I don't, I don't know. But, uh, I don't know what to tell you. You know, that the psychedelics cracked me open, wide open again.

And, um, and, uh, like, I'll probably never do them again.

Um, because they, because they, you got what you wanted from them. I, I can't say I got what I wanted. But, um, but I, I didn't get anything from that. I got it all from God. And I, I kept saying that, like, like, psychedelics would be like a fucking quick fix for me.

I just want to clean it out. I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to reset. And I would take all the science that they're finding, you know, the good things about it and just find, and, uh, and, um, but, you know, and in the end, and you're, or you're, or you're opening, you, you, you just enough forbidden realm to maybe we should or should not be fucking around

and, but, um, I won't be fucking around in that realm anymore. I can tell you that. But, uh, and I got strict guidance, which, you know, I told you last night that is, don't mess around in that anymore. But it's not a lot of great things for people, strict guidance from this God, from God.

And, and it's done a lot of great things for me. This, this is painful as this is to go to rope. It, it, it, you know, it's, uh, I'm thankful for it. Um, but that, uh, but, yeah, I don't know what the steps are, Tucker. I'm just, I'm just, I'm just figuring it out.

And I'm just figuring it out. And I'm just figuring it out. And I'm just figuring it out. And I'm just figuring it out. And I'm just figuring it out.

And I'm just figuring it out. And I'm just figuring it out. You know, even, even with my team, like, like, like, I told, on my teams, like, my family, like, Tim, who said, "No, there's been with me since the fifth episode." And, and, uh, Kimball is, it's been with me since he's 17. He's like 26 or 27 now.

All, all my Darren's been with me.

We started off making, like, 200 bucks an episode, doing sound. Like, it's, like, a sound engineer.

“Now I runs my whole company hired all these fucking CEOs and all these big wigs to come in and run them.”

And this kid. I love that. He runs circles around them. Like, and I trust him with my life. But, and so, we're like a family.

But, even with them, I mean, with the, my show has just gotten so big. It's inflated all of our egos. And so, we're all, we're a bunch of good people with inflated egos. And don't realize that we all haven't inflated egos because we built. And I would constantly, I'm like, "Is my ego getting to me now?"

They're good. No, sir. You're perfect. It's not, it's not that though. It's not that.

They tell me when I'm fucking up. It's not that. I'm just kidding. There ego is also being inflated because there are just as much a part of this as I am. You know, and they've built something massive.

And that grows an ego. And they see the comments and they get the praise. Yes. And they go through all of that with me. You know, and so that they're, we're all blind to it.

So it takes somebody close to not inside of it to, to set your ass straight. Yes. Does that make sense? Of course it. Absolutely.

It's not the "esmen." I don't have any "esmen." I don't either. I hate people like that. Fire at all the "esmen."

I've had a couple hyper annoying kids work for me over the years. So I truly love two of them. Different times. And they were the "no men." And they would doubt everything.

And constantly criticize me in a hyper annoying way. But I trusted them because I thought they were being honest. They're both kind of autistic.

“And they'd be like, "I think it's really stupid what we're doing."”

I don't always want to say, "Shut up.

I employ you." But then I would force myself to listen. And I learned more from them. Both turn out to be very successful in life, actually. But I love having people like that.

Yeah. As much as I hate it, having people like that. I always listen to them. Yeah. Oh.

Me too. Yeah. Oh. So as you embark on whatever is going to happen next in your professional life, this part of you think will G, you know, I'm so successful in conventional terms.

Maybe I shouldn't mess with the formula. Are you afraid? No. Have you even thought of that? Yeah.

Like what happens if the numbers go to zero? Yeah. I don't care. This is how we're doing. If it's not authentic.

So if they go to zero, then they go to zero. And if I am doing what God wants me to do, then they're not going to go to zero. Are they? I personally think it'll be bigger, actually. For what I know that's not why you're doing it.

But if I had to guess, I would say that any one, even former Navy SEALs have never been in broadcasting for anyone who's as honest as he can be, succeeds.

I think that. Thank you. But because they're so little of it. That I don't think the measure is, are you always right? No one is.

I'm certainly not. But if you're making, like, an obvious least sincere effort to tell the truth. People really love they crave it because they're just not much of it at all. Like that's the superpower. And you seem like you're embarking on like a radical version of that.

So I bet you're going to have radical results. I mean, again, not that you care.

“And because you don't care, that's why it's going to work.”

So it happens. It happens. And if it doesn't, that's fine too. Like the people closest to you totally in board with us. I think so.

We'll find out on, uh, we'll find out later this week. We'll be out the meeting. But they're going to be, you know what I mean? They're going to be. So.

Did you know that there were supernatural forces demons that could ask? On people? Did you grow up knowing that? Did you think about that? I definitely didn't grow up knowing that.

You know, the first time I felt it, I thought maybe we'd chat about this last time.

But maybe we didn't. But the first time I really felt it, uh, was maybe maybe three years ago. Um, I just, um, I just done, uh, my, my rhyme Montgomery, uh, who's, you met. Mm-hmm. And, uh, love that guy.

He's one of my best friends. He's going to be my son's godfather. Wow. And, um, hear next month.

Um, and Tyler Andrew Vargas, who was one of the, who was the survivor at Abbey Gate.

Who's like 24 years old at his arm blown off. Had his leg blown off. Has a bag, you know. And I'm like watching this kid like hobble up my stairs. Uh, with the afghan with draw and, um, in the lies, they came out about that.

And nobody would talk to him. Here's a god thing.

“So I thought my whole team was like, you need to get this kid.”

I'm like, you know, he's got, like, every major news outlet. I want to talk to him, Tucker Carlson, probably wants to talk to him. Joe rogue. I'm like, he doesn't want to fucking talk to me. There's no way.

And, um, I pinged him on Instagram.

And he hit me right back. And, you know, um, a lot of the guests come up come out. We have breakfast, you know, the day of or we have dinner the night before. And we're having, I'm having breakfast with him and his fiancé. And he's like, man, um, he started crying.

And he's like, man, uh, he goes, all these news networks were trying to get me. And he goes, good morning America. I interviewed me for like seven hours. And I, they released like, I can't remember. It was like five minutes or five seconds. I think it was like five seconds of the interview.

“And he's like, I was there for seven hours.”

And he's like, I looked at my fiancé. And he goes, I just wish the shon Ryan guy would just reach out to me.

And he pulled up his phone.

And sure, I showed there was a message from me. And he broke down right there at the table. That is wild. And so me and my wife went to Sedona. We went on this vacation Sedona.

And so I, you know, it was like, I just found out how bad it is. What's going on with kids online in the sex exploitation and pedophile. So all that kind of stuff. And then, and like the day after I did that interview was Tyler Andrew Vardis. And then, and then, um, and then, uh,

the one friend that I had and where I live at the time. Who didn't, who's like a genuine friend of successful guy on some hospitals. He didn't need anything from me. I don't need anything from him. I really enjoy those relationships.

I know there's not a fucking hidden ass. Can get him ready to happen or some kind of agenda or a photo up or whatever it may be. And, um, like, just genuine, we can go out to eat and it's not going to be. You mind if we just, you know, could you? I got this new, you know, that kind of shit.

And, um, this is genuine friendship. Anyways, he died. And, um, yeah, he died. He died on a hunting trip. His name's Dan Cerillo.

He died on a hunting trip with a son at a heart attack. Oh, come on. That would age. Uh, I don't know. He was probably mid to late 50s if I had to guess.

But I mean, I'm happy for him.

“But if that's how I go on a hunting trip with my son who's raised and doing great.”

I agree. Then someone who's 57 though, I'm opposed to the time where they're still. Yeah. Yeah. But, um, so all these things happen and then, and, and we go to, um, we're in Sedona.

And I'm just, I have a breakdown on the plan. I don't really break down other than lately. And, um, I wife's like, "What the hell is going on with you?" And I start telling her and, and then, um, the last day, um, I was like, "All right, I'm just going to come off my phone for the week and maybe I'll feel better."

And I felt a little bit better. And then I got on my phone and I saw this country music star that I had a lot of respect for at the time. And, um, she's going on about how drag queens should be able to like shake their ass in front of toddlers. And I was like, "No, man." A couple weeks later, she gets a big show.

And, um, anyways, but I see this stuff and I'm like, "Fuck, man." And so I, so I, uh, smoke a joint and tell Katie, "We're going on a hike. We're going on a hike. We're going to go up to this energy vortex." I want to see if I feel something. And, uh, joint didn't help.

And we get up there and, you know, I would like bananas. Like, this, this is one thing about the psychedelic stuff that I didn't really like. Where it took me. It, it was, I was looking for all these other fucking things.

And, um, oh, energy comes out of the crystals and whatever.

And, uh, we go up to this fucking vortex and then I'm like, "Uh, I don't feel shit." And, uh, so we're marching back down, hiking back down. And I'm having, like, this internal battle in my, like, in my head. And, uh, like, I'm, like, maybe I, maybe I shouldn't be worried about dismembering kids and, and, and, and politicians and schools and athletes and celebrities, like, push and, you know,

“you, you, you should be the opposite sex and let's put some hormones in you.”

Let's, let's get you in the hospital. And I'm like, maybe I'm the fucked up one. Maybe I, nobody else seems to give a shit. Maybe I'm the one that's, maybe I'm, maybe it's me. Maybe, why are you fighting this shit?

And, I just kept, I felt like I was, uh, like, like, surrendering my, surrendering my soul or my heart to the devil, maybe. But there was, like, this internal battle going on and I, I was literally trying to convince myself that I was the, like, I'm feeling all this pain because, you know, in the, this is when the maps thing started coming out, you know, the minor attracted person.

Can't call him put a fall. Got to call him a minor attracted person because that's, that's offensive. Tucker. And so I'm, like, trying to convince myself, like, you, you, to shot.

“There's, maybe you're just, this is old school thinking.”

Maybe you shouldn't be so upset about all this thing. You're the crazy one. Yeah. And, uh, it's dark. And we get, we're saying it a really nice resort down there.

And, uh, there's, there's a, there's a guarded gate. And I pay attention that shit because I'm, you know, my background, to see all and contract and foresee a and, so I pay attention to that kind of shit. And, uh, and, you know, those guys, that demographic of people of my show, you know, 'cause of all the military guys have had on it.

So they all mill me and, and they, and I stop and talk to him on. We've been there for a week. And I get, and, um, and this old man comes out of the guard check. Mmm.

“And, uh, he's like trying to talk to me and I'm looking out of him over my shoulder.”

Like, given the body language, like, not now, but he, I don't want to, I don't give a shit, which I have to say. I don't, like, I just want to go to my fucking room. And, um, and then Katie's, my wife stops and talks to him. And, oh my gosh, shit.

So I turn around and I square up to him and he looked at me. And he bred my mind from front to back. He said, you know, all the shit that's going on with the kids. So that's, that's not your fight. And then he kept talking.

And that, and that was, I was like really worried about China. That was when the spy flew spy balloon traversed over the U.S. And he brought up something about China and I like lost it. I was like, how the fuck are you in my head? Like, how do you know, how are you in my head?

And, so I totally blanked out on the rest of what he said. But I knew it was in, like, wow. Said, like, two or three more things and then have a good night. And walks back into his guard shack.

And I'd never seen this dude.

I thought I'd met all the people that worked there because we're in and out. And we're going back to our, we're sitting like this bungalow thing, like a duplex. And, and there was this, my best friend died of heroin. But he was always known as a protector's name was Gabe. He was like, he was just a badass.

He was a pro hockey player before he joined the seal teams. He was an enforcer. And then he joined the seal teams. And like he's the guy, like, if you're in trouble, you know Gabe's going to come Wept some ass and get you out of it.

And then we contract and then I met him contract and for the agency. And we became really good friends and he had the same reputation there.

And when we first got there, we've seen this guy.

And he looked identical. Like same, he could have been a twin. Like you could tell him apart, but he could have been out identical twin to Gabe. And I'm in the super vulnerable state. And this guy's like everywhere we're at this week. And I pointed him out and Katie was like, yeah, that's looks identical to him.

If we're out in town at a restaurant, this dude's out there.

If we go to the pool, he's at the pool.

And it was just weird. It's like, this guy's like always brown.

Yeah, it's going on. Well, coincidence. Like I'm on top of shit like that. You know, and I didn't get, I know where you're going. It wasn't like surveillance or anything like that.

And so we're walking back to the bungalow that we've been at all week.

“And I'm like, I think, I think that guy in the guard shack was God just talking to me.”

And Katie goes, yeah, you think, Sean? And I was like, I was like, that's fucking crazy. And she's like, that's not fucking crazy. She said, Sean, God's always talking to you. You just don't make the room to let him in.

And then we go to our bungalow. And this dude is staying in the other side of it. So I took that as this guy's like, maybe some other something else. I don't watch an over us. Well, man, this vulnerable state.

And then I get into the bungalow. And I start crying and I'm like, what the hell is going on? You can get this shit. Let me pull this text up. I'll read it to you.

We're talking and my phone dings and it's Dan's daughter who I've never met.

She doesn't have my number. Her dad just died. And I get this text on the hunting trip with his son. Yeah. It says, hey, Sean, this is Taylor Dan's daughter. My dad requested that I reach out to you.

I had a moment with him the other day when my mom and I walked into his gun room. It was the first time she had been in there since his passing. And I felt the whole room waking like a visible stars were just bouncing off the walls. There were a few people in the room. But he really grabbed me by the balls as he would say, and made a couple of clear points.

I want you to know he spoke very gently, very smooth like, and he was calm and tranquil. One favor he asked of me is that I contact you when I'm ready. He didn't give me any more direction than that. But I think he would just like you.

“I think he would just like you to know he sees you or feels you.”

My mom told me recently you had become his best friend and favor person to be around. And if that's true, it's safe to say he really loved you just exactly as you are. Unfortunately, my dad didn't really talk about our personal lives. We had more of a feeling type relationship. About a lot of talking, but just the right amount of loving from afar.

If there's ever a chance, you'd feel comfortable talking about yours and his story. I'd love to hear about it. And I'm sure he would too. Wow. Yeah.

So I changed my life forever. Did you talk to her? Yeah. That's an incredible story. Pretty wild, isn't it?

Did you doubt it? Or did you? On at that point, you knew him. That all happened in about 15 minutes from walking through the gate to seeing

games identical twin to Dan Stauder who had never met me and didn't have my phone number.

Talks to me that. This is not what you expected when you got on the flight to Sedona. That's one way to put it. How much your wife said that God is always talking to you, but you don't hear it because you're distracted. Do you think that's true?

Yeah. Yeah.

“And then I think it happened again in that year and a half I was talking about that.”

That I let all the praise and all that get to me. Yeah. I felt too wrapped up in it. Yeah. We've opened there.

For sure. Especially with knowledge, just not just money and fame or all that. I've never taken any of that seriously. Like the idea that you know stuff that civilians don't know. That's a kind of arrogance and lie.

You said, like, you don't know the things I know. Why am I even listening to you? Yeah. I've definitely been there. It's a pretty fucked up place to be.

Yeah. Pretty. It's a pretty subtle temptation too because of course one who doesn't want more knowledge is in the whole point of this business to find out how things work.

“That's what everybody will make you think.”

Well, it's what I've always assumed.

And then as my wife once pointed out to me, Adam and Eve didn't get ejected from the garden because of their ignorance. But because of their knowledge. So, you know, the pursuit of knowledge for its own sake. You know, I'm mixed feelings about.

That was like the highest virtue was just to like no more. But having learned a lot more than I think, not to be arrogant, more than most people. I'm not sure it got me anything. It definitely didn't get me to understanding. Yeah.

Did you feel that? As you like learned, as you uncovered more and more lies. Did you feel happier, more content, more at peace? Did you feel you had a deeper understanding of other people? Or did you just feel agitated?

Oh, just agitated, just anger and rage and all the time. I'm not bringing home. And I try to play with my kids. And I wasn't there. My head wasn't there.

You know, not try to smoke smoke a join or something to get in the present moment. That one work. So I put all of that shit. I have no vices now. It's great.

When did you give up weed? Bottom on to go. How's it going? Great. Any downsides?

Nope. Didn't affect your sleep. I don't know what's affected my sleep. You can't sleep anyway, so that's not. That's not.

“That's all this other stuff that I'm going through right now.”

That's affected my sleep. It's not that. But you give up weed. No drinking. No drinking.

Haven't had a drop in over four years. That happened after I have again. Yeah. And then. Yeah, now.

No caffeine. No caffeine. No caffeine. No nicotine. No nicotine.

Okay. Sorry. But you know, Sean, I was with you. That's until right then. But you start getting into nicotine.

And that's like crazy town. No drugs. No weed. No nothing. What do you think of it?

It's great. It's. It. It. Um.

There's just nothing to mask your emotions. If I can make it in front of everybody. Just happen.

And then, you know, when I'm reading that text, that would never happen before.

Yeah, I'm feeling things. I'm feeling emotions. You know, before I just felt rage. Just anger. It's pretty much it.

You know. And now I'm feeling all of them. I think that's why we use substances. We don't have to do that, right? Was it a hard transition?

Not as hard as you think. You don't feel on overload. This is what puts me on overload. Was it hard to get off?

“What was harder getting off caffeine and nicotine or social media?”

Yeah. How long did it take to get over your your withdrawals here? X withdrawals. Not long. You know, but my, my circumstances are a little different because of the things I'm dealing with right now.

What I was, you know, describing to you. What the priests and that kind of stuff is just. So much more important and so much more real. So I, I, I just, I have to deal with that. And which means I can't be dealing with this.

And I know what this will do. I know it will. It will throw me back on the path that I was on. And I just, I don't want any part of that anymore. So you're describing the phone is actively evil.

I mean, that's what you're saying. Yeah, I mean, one person showed me, you know, I'm in talking about Adam and Eve. You know, what is that? It's an apple. You know, with one bite out of it.

I've never thought of that.

Huh. So it's like, this is the tree of the knowledge of good naval basically.

You can tell me either. You can tell what a deep person I am.

“How, how often do you have a realization like that?”

And you, and you, you understand that like something you've had in your hand,

you know, every five minutes for the last 10 years you've never really thought about it.

How am I missing the most obvious things? I don't know. I mean, I just, yeah, we're all, we're all a slave to it. So you've, you're rolling out an app called Glacier. Yeah.

Yeah. One of my least favorite things to talk about is technology or apps. I should say, or other people's projects or like with someone selling or whatever. I would, every time I interview someone, not every time. But it's very often.

It's like, I've got this new thing. Can you talk about it? You actually didn't mention this to me at all. You didn't want to talk about it. And I hate this topic.

But this is an interesting enough thing that I would actually like to push you on a little bit. Okay. So one of the big problems I have with phones is I don't, that they're not private. Of course. And not just for us.

I mean, it's obvious if you're in broadcasting, you know, you're going to be surveilled. And I know that I am. But just like everybody is and it's upsetting. And there's really kind of no solution to it.

I've spent a lot of time on this topic and I've never seen anything that protects people from it.

And but it sounds like this might help. What is it? It's, can I just tell you the story? Yeah. That would be better.

Let me try to get into the technicalities of everything that I don't know and understand that well. But, you know, it came from, it just came from paranoia, you know. I mean, I think I passed on my check.

“I think I interviewed eight people that got picked up for the administration.”

A lot of, two of them thanked me personally because they said my interviews are the ones that got them in there. One of them got picked five days after I released the interview, Secretary War. And just like after they all got in there. And there's an, you know, some of them trying to influence me and senators and congressmen and other people.

And in, and I'm like, and now that they're in there, it's like, they want me to do shit.

Or they did. I pretty much have made my statements like a very loud about shit. I want them to get the message. I don't fucking ask me for that stuff. And, um, but I get, I got paranoid.

Like, are they monitoring me now? Because they're worried I'm going to go against them or like, what's going on? And then the Boucher kill interview happened. You know, and Taiwan and I started again paranoid about that. So anyways, I started looking up.

I was like, I need like something, if anything, just for peace of mind.

“Like, if, are they listening when I'm talking to my wife or they listen and when I go to dinners with people like, what is happening?”

And, um, and so I started answering yes. Yeah. So I started asking around for a black photo. Like, what is the one that people are using? And, like, is there a real one?

Or is it all these bullshit gimmicky ones that came out? And, uh, front of mine said, yeah, that this is what, this is what the, like the tier one units and the intelligence communities and stuff are using. It's this is called Glacier. And, um, so like, I called, uh, who's now my CEO Elijah. And I was like, hey, get in touch with this company and let's, uh, I want to phone and I want one for everybody on the team.

And, um, so he got in touch and I was like, see if they're in a restaurant and advertising and this is, it looks like, yeah, they both the show. I was like, really? Yeah, that's cool. And I was like, see if they're interested in that. That's the community that watches your show.

I think it's for it. Yeah. And I was like, see if, uh, see if they want to do an equity deal. Yeah, I'm not going to do an equity deal. And I was like, all right, well, let's get the product and see if we like it and if it actually works.

And then I found out the price of the product. And I was like, oh, shit. Like, it's, it's very expensive for a phone and even more expensive for the service. Like, if, like, ballpark, like, uh, a close to 10 grand for the phone. Ooh.

And, and maybe a little bit more than that for the service. And so it was like, man, that's a lot. Yeah, I'm like, um, well, we're getting them because I'm super fucking paranoid.

And they can, they can upload and, and delete footprints in different countries.

“So that it makes, you know, they can do all kinds of like wazoo shit.”

Like totally delete your, your digital footprint, you know, uh, from wherever and upload a fake one. Like, they can do all kinds of like, they have a messaging service. It tunnels you in. So like, you know, the, the signal leak that happened early on.

That's impossible to happen. You could have your entire organization in this one chat where you can't accidentally add the wrong Tucker in there. You know what I mean? And, and you couldn't put Jeffrey Goldberg from the Atlantic on your group.

Yeah, exactly. Okay. Yeah. That might be worth 10 grand. Yeah.

Yeah.

“Um, so anyways, uh, I was like, man, I would love to do business with you guys.”

But I was like, this we're shooting for like, top tier tech CEOs, sea sweet, execs, and maybe government contracts, which you guys already have a foothold in. And I was like, uh, I was like, I would be interested if you had like an application. And there was maybe, um, you know, close to that. Or maybe some of the features that you have in this aren't in that.

You know, something that's more affordable that everybody can use. And, uh, they said, well, we, we obviously have a program. We can turn it into an app. And I was like, all right. Let's see what that looks like.

So we didn't, we did it. And we spent about a year, uh, putting it all together. And, um, so it's called the Glacier app. And, uh, it's, you know, a lot of the VPN companies that podcasters are representing our own by China or their own by Israel or their own by Russia, their fake.

Yeah. And, um, I mean, you can, you can look it up. Don't take my word for a drop to VPN sponsor over this exact question. Me too. Yeah.

Me too. And, and, uh, I didn't know that.

I didn't know that the VPN is basically a digital honey trap.

Yeah. And so, you know, in one, in, in a lot like, there's a Chinese company that owns, like, a whole conglomeranized thing. So, so anyways, we're all American VPNs. Uh, no data is stored at all.

Um, secure DNS. Uh, data blocking.

“So, I think this morning before I came in, her which is launched is like,”

it just happened to come out like two days ago. Uh, and just by what 11 a.m. We had like 830, uh, web trackers blocked on the phone, which is the marketing should. And, I don't even have social media apps on my phone.

Told you I deleted them all. And then, uh, it has a, uh, we have a burner number, uh, service on there. So, especially for somebody like you or I who's meeting all these people. Maybe you don't want everybody to have your number. So, you can, you can, um, go in there and pick any, any area code you want,

uh, by a burner number and give that, uh, these state actors, or for regular people, you know, he get a hotel. You do a, you make a contribution to a political campaign. You order a pizza. Whatever it is, like the number, you know, goes up for sale.

And then you get 50 million spam calls.

So, you can buy however many burner numbers you want. And if the relationship goes sour, you just burn the number and pick a new one. And, um, and then they have no way to contact you ever again. So, yeah, we call it the glacier app and, and that's, it's affordable. Everybody can get it.

Does it help prevent e from being spied on? It does the things that I told you it does. You know, and so there's nothing that's full proof being honest. You know, like, I'm sure there's some way to possibly defeat it, but, um, you know, for, for the majority of stuff, it's going to block 99 percent of the stuff that comes in.

What if your phone numbers on the internet? What if your phone numbers on the internet? Yeah, my number is on the internet. Well, I mean, it's not going to delete your phone number off the internet. Damn.

But, but you can get as many notes as you want. So, and you just go to the, the Apple store and get it. Yep, you go to the Apple store and get it. Or at the glacier app.com either, either one. It's just for iOS right now.

We'll have, uh, Android out in a couple of months. But with your number, just, you know, glacier aside.

You don't want to, you don't want to burn the number that you have all your banks and all that kind of stuff too.

“Because if somebody else picks that up and it would be bad deal for you.”

You'd be a bad deal. Yeah. I don't, I don't do online banking as a result. Or online, whatever. Yeah, I don't do online anything.

That's right. Yeah, I don't.

I just, I never was impressed by all that stuff.

I order ammo on my phone. That's it. The only transaction I do on my phone. Well, but you get a lot of that. I do.

Yeah, I have a lot of that. So what, I know you're not in the business of giving advice to people. You're clearly coming from a place, especially now, of like genuine humility. And you said it's important to work on yourself before you start running around and telling other people how to live. And I respect all of that.

But if, you know, if you had a son who was like 15 or 25 or, you know, older and said,

“what, what advice would you give me about how to live?”

What would your advice be? Don't put your faith in any man. Yeah. Don't give it to you. Disappointed every single time.

Yeah. That's really wise. There's something in us that wants to believe in other people. Did you put your faith in Pete Higgseth? Yep.

What was your take away from your interview with him? Well, if I remember right, I mean, I don't remember the interview that well. But if I remember right, Pete wanted to be the secretary of the veterans affairs.

He did in the first term.

And I just have no, I just don't really have much interest in the veterans affairs. And so I steered the interview into what would you do if your secretary of defense? Because I was much more interested in that kind of stuff than I was with the veterans affairs. Being a veteran, I just think the VA is a lost cost. Really?

Yeah. And so I steered it that way. And then five days later, the fucking after the release, the guy gets, I didn't even want to interview Pete because it was a book. He had a book out and he's a Fox News guy and I fucking hate Fox News.

And I was like, I don't know. I don't want to, I don't want to interview him because he's a Fox News guy. Yeah.

“And it was like, all right, like I think it was just, whatever.”

I was like, all right, we'll do it. And then it was like, all right, hurry up and get this interview out. I just get it out. Like, let's get this over with. You think you're about to change history of the world?

No. Yeah. And then five days later, he gets picked up for a secretary of defense. What did you think when you heard that? I was like, holy shit.

That's crazy. And then it inflated my ego. I'm like, oh, we're shot. The show has power. Then I went to the army named me football game.

And he points out, but he goes, thank you. I'm like, I was up at the box with all the big wigs. You know, bands and tromp and all of them. And I'm like, what the fuck am I doing here? But if you don't, you know, it inflates my ego.

And I'm like, holy shit. And then, then it really else gets picked. Gasped until, don't see. You know, no, I'm not saying like, I'm the guy. But for that one, that interview definitely had some influence.

How do you think it's gone? I don't know. I mean, I don't think any of these guys really have any. You know, the funny thing is like, you see all these people get up there. And they get addicted to this fucking power that they do not have.

You know, you think you're so powerful.

But you can't even... You can't even say what's on your mind. Like, you're powerless. You have no fucking power. You're just around, you're around power that's telling you what to do and what to say.

And it's like, well, I don't get the... But they probably don't see it. You know what I mean? They probably don't see it. But I think they have all this power.

They really don't have any fucking power. Because they can't see what they really think. Yeah, they can't say what they really... They won't even stand up for what they believe in, man. But look at the shit that's happening.

Really? You're going to sit here and tell me the fucking country's going great. While the president of the United States kids are buying private islands with bunkers.

[laughs] Fair.

I had thought of it that way.

That's probably not a good sign then, right? Yeah, maybe not. I don't know. Maybe they got some insider information. But, you know, I mean, how can it... Like, what?

[laughs] What do you hate Fox News? It's so great. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I should give it another chance.

It's probably been three or four years since I've launched it. Me too. I don't think I'm missing anything, but... [laughs] I mean, can you just drill down a little bit on that?

What about it? Turned you off. I'm just interested. I work there at one point. Yeah, I mean, just...

It's just lies over there too, I think.

You know, and it's... It's not just Fox News. It's all of them. It's all of them. You know, and you see, you know, especially like now...

I haven't seen it in a while, but I would see things pop up on X and stuff. And I'm like... And I...

“The older generation that watches it, that's how I know it's going on on there.”

You know, and it's like... Man, did you know about like this? And they are the, like, are you getting a full picture here? Or... They don't know anything.

It's... it's just crazy to me. Like, they listen to... Only, you know, one source. And it's like, man, like, you... They're not getting a full picture here, and they're...

They're hiding shit from you. They're not... Maybe they're not lying. They probably are, but they're hiding shit from you. They're hiding the full picture.

They're hiding the full picture of the upstairs files. They're hiding the full picture of... They're hiding everything. They are damn war. Like, is anybody over there talking about the petro-dollar?

No. Does anybody talking about the... Skits of forensic leadership that we're dealing with right now? Like, this shit with Canada?

“Like, could you imagine, like, doing business with the US?”

Like, the Canada pipeline? And I'm going to butcher this. But, like, with the Biden administration denied it, they didn't want the... the... the... Keystone?

Yeah, Keystone pipeline coming in. And then they're like, okay. So then they do some deal with China. And then we went through, like, a 25%... Then Trump comes in.

We throw a 25% tariff on 'em for doing business with China. Then we throw a 35% then we do a 100% tariff. And it's like, dude, what the fuck is Canada supposed to do? They tried to pipe it right into the Midwest. We denied it.

Now you're going to... you're going to put a 100% tariff on 'em for making the deal with somebody else that we... They offered us at the beginning. Like, if... if I was a foreign country, there's no way in fucking hell.

I would do business with the United States. Because there's no continuity. It's just now. Yeah. It's literally like dealing with a crazy person.

Like a schizophrenic fucking crazy person. Like, shit, I just offered this to you guys. Like a couple years ago. Now you're like, "Going crazy on me." What... what are you supposed to do?

“I think you're supposed to remember this.”

That's just one.

I think the answer is Putin is bad.

He's very, very bad. That's the rumor. I think one of the main reasons that the United States who's just protected from the rest of the world by the world's largest oceans never been invaded

has all the natural resources we need. And a lot of great and smart people. The whole reason that we've been perpetually at war really, really since 1917 is because identifying a foreign threat or foreign enemy

or something to worry about far away removes attention from our own bad leadership. It's a way of like our leaders to be like, "Okay, you're right." But Putin, but honestly, the problem is Putin.

Or Hitler. He's been dead for eight years or forever. It's like a good thing. Like this shred of our moves stuff, like... From what I understand, like nobody really controlled it before. Now, now, now, I ran as discovered

like holy shit, like the United States can't even shut us down. So now there's some shit that's going to be tax and escorts and everything until the end of time because if we can't shut them down,

nobody's going to shut the course. You know what I mean? And so, hello new gas prices. Like they're not fucking coming back. We just turned around into a global power. Yeah. And it will remain a global power for the rest of our lives.

Good job, Admin. Yeah, good job.

Did you think when you interviewed Pete Heggseth,

did you emit since you served in the military under a

“secretary of, well, then it was defense, now it's a war?”

In fact, let me just interrupt myself and say, "What do you think of the change from defense Department of Department of War?" Oh, I thought I was stupid. I thought it was like, why?

You'd know that's just going to post people off. What's the who cares? We had to make, and then, of course, we had to make a big show about it. I mean, I think Pete has done some good stuff.

You know, I mean, he's cleaned up some of the D... Maybe all of the D-E-I stuff. I think that's a great good job. You know what I mean? But I mean, you know what I mean?

I don't really know how much influence

to suck deaf even has anymore.

You know, so, good job on that, 'cause I sucked and I saw a lot of... I saw a morale come back. I still got some buddies and... But I'll tell you what.

I just had some buddies leave, and everybody knows what this is. Everybody knows they're fighting for Israel. It's a joke. Isn't he saying this? This is not me saying this?

Right. This is them. This is the guys that are going to go over there and tier one, tier two units that are joking around saying,

like, yeah, this is this isn't even for us. And, you know, through just throughout history, that's not a winning strategy.

Well, especially since they don't believe

them what they're potentially going to do, which hopefully they're going to do nothing. Yes. But high probability they're going to do something, and they know it's not for the United States.

It's for a foreign country, like the fights out of the dog money, really. Well, especially 'cause they keep you killed.

“I mean, the kind of high stakes that's why I'm getting at.”

Yeah. But you know, it's not for us. We're not defending our country. And you think they know that. I don't think they know that.

I know they know that. Because I just had a going away party for one. And that's all he was talking about. But it's fucking sad. It's such a betrayal.

It's such a betrayal. Like why don't you just get out, man? 'Cause it's what he does for a living, right? Yeah. What do you do after that, exactly? Like probably start a podcast.

Yeah. No, but seriously, what do you do? I don't know if we need like more shooting schools or executive protection. I mean, those I feel for those guys.

They have these specialized talents. It skills, honed it. Great expense over years. Well, you know, you got to give them open, so.

“Because yeah, that's what we're most of them lined up.”

And a lot of them are happy doing it. You know, my course. But just saying if you don't, then you have to be willing to reinvent and start from zero and go to one. And that's really fucking hard to do.

But that's what you have to do. Do you talk to people getting out? Well, yeah. Not a lot, but I mean, I'm getting older. You know, some losing touch.

And most of my generation is out. How do they feel about what they did? Pist. Really? Majority of them are pissed.

And these are GWT people. Yeah. What are they mad about? They don't believe it was for, for the right reasons. I just told you the Pete Blaber episode, you know, the whole Iraq invasion was based

off of the fucking lie. A water truck and air conditioning unit. And a guy taking posts outside of the building. That sounds like weaponsmen's destruction to me. We sure showed them, didn't we?

So at some point you got recruitment problems. If people believe what you just said, right? Yeah, I would imagine. I don't know what the numbers are. When you were over there, did you think a lot about why you were over there?

Yeah. But you know, information didn't flow like it does now. So we all thought we were there for the right reasons. And really, the only gripe was coming home and listened to them. No, although all the global Democrats,

pitching about the words or something were right the whole fucking time. I know. But, you know, that's a head trip right there. That's hard for me to admit. But it's true.

So like guys and seal teams or Delta or any of the most famous and highly trained, a special operator types.

I always assume that they're wrangling Republicans.

I've always thought that. Is that still true? I don't know. You know, I don't, I don't know. I don't really, everything's just so mixed up now.

Yes, shit. You just got a love letter from my mother-in-law who hated you a year ago. You know what I mean? I've never read everybody's mixed up. I don't think anybody knows.

You'll be a very nice letter. She's down subscriber. I thought she was never going to talk to me when you wrote her a letter a year ago. I did. I wrote it in jazz, but also, you know, from one Protestant to another,

I thought, you know, I thought I could make a connection. But anyway, it's hilarious. She seems very sweet actually. Everything's so messed up now. That's right.

Like, how would you describe your politics?

“Do you have politics or you're just not even interested anymore?”

I'm a Christian. Yeah.

So my last question is like, what do you think?

So you know what's going on in your life. You've had, and thank you for talking about it. I know it's like, you're in the middle of it. So it's hard to talk about it. But do you see it happening in other people?

Like, do you think there's bigger going on? Well, yeah. I'm in. Yes, I do. I don't know what's real and what's not though.

I think that there are people also that are, you know, come into Christ who are like, oh, look what happened to that guy. You know what I mean? What does view counts or what it like. It's like the thing to do now sometimes.

You know, so I don't know. But yeah, I think that I think there's a wave of it happening. I mean, there's definitely a resurgence in the younger generations. Yes, you know, and so that's really cool. That's really cool to see.

And you see that, yeah, I see it. I see it. I see. When I go to church, everybody's paying attention. And I bounce them around from all kinds of different church.

It's not this morning. Yeah. The priest didn't show up out here. She'd say he texted me. Thanks for curious.

You want to go to church with me? This is the least Christian state out of 50. So there aren't many churches and active churches. But you decide Monday morning, you're going to church. I go through the four days a week now.

Really? Yeah, I like to bring, I bring my two year old. And then the next day, I bring my four year old. And after each time we go to mass, I bring them to breakfast. And we get some one on one time.

And then take them home. And then I go to work. That's the best. It's awesome. I love it.

And they're into it. Really? Yeah. I remember bringing my two year olds to church. And it was like a nightmare.

But climbing on your head, the middle of communion. It will be if I bring them together. Right. Oh, is that right? You put them up.

That's smart. Yeah. One on one time with dad. And they want to go. They ask me.

Can I go with you today? And really? It's pretty cool. Yeah. We talk about communion.

They ask about the special bread. It's pretty neat.

“And do people who you grew up with who you talk to your friends, guys, you served with?”

Are they thinking more about God than they do? Oh, yeah. All of them. All of them. You know, you know, it's really cool.

Actually is, you know, you're addicted to the fight. I can see it. These guys are addicted to the fight. I'm addicted to the fight. A lot of these guys have fought for 30 plus years.

And, like a guy like Tom Saturday, uh, who I brought to the out party with me. Yeah. And, uh, he was a, he was in Somalia. You know, and that whole thing went down. And why did the whole way to the man?

Yeah. Amazing human. Yes. I mean, all these guys are like, you know, addicted to the fight. Now they're, man, there's just so many of us are, are diving into spiritual warfare.

And learning about it. And, uh, so that's, that seems to be the new thing with my old community. Really? Yeah. It's pretty neat.

I think if it is a, guys who are act, you know, the real door. You know, people are actually pulling the trigger. Pretty secular group.

I always thought, is that fair?

Yeah. Yeah. I would say so. But. And these times.

That's so much. Amazing. Yeah. Thank you for talking about all this. My pleasure.

I know it's painful.

“But I think it, I think it's really inspiring.”

Thank you. Well, thanks for having me. I'm literally any time. I love coming out here. I love having you.

So I'm right. Thank you.