Steve Baker on the CIA, FBI, Directed Energy Weapons, and the Lies of the J6 Pipe Bomb Case

Something will just explode, it'll happen. Well, that's amazing. I can't believe that.

And you'll have about four hours to think about what happened and its implications then you're on to the next thing. It's just the nature of having too much information now, whether that's by design, whether being overloaded, this part of some diabolical plan to keep us distracted, or whether that's an actual byproduct of technology. Unrestrain technology, it's not clear and it probably doesn't matter because that's the daily lived experience of most Americans. Something huge will happen, you'll form an impression of it, not clear that's a correct impression or not, and then we'll move on.

“And this is true even of really big events, the biggest mass shooting in American history took place in a less than nine years ago 2017 in Las Vegas, and some guy apparently opened fire on a concert right below him, you remember this?”

Eight hundred and sixty seven people were injured, sixty were killed by gunfire, at least, and there was an FBI investigation and the authorities stared into the camera and said we're going to get to the bottom of this and the normal parasites showed up telling us that, you know, the lesson is we have too many guns in this country guns are the problem, you shouldn't have a gun because a lunatic shot people must think it's a whatever, they took advantage of the tragedy to push their own agendas.

And then that's kind of the last we heard of it. Who was this guy, some guy, Steven Padak, some guy, what was his motive unclear, didn't leave a manifesto so we don't really know.

There seems to be some evidence that the official story is false. Yeah, it's fine. And then because we were so distracted with all the other things we're taking place at the time, no one ever really followed up in a satisfactory way. And so even now the largest mass shooting in American history is solved officially. But do we have a satisfactory answer that explains why it happened? No, we don't, we're not even close to that. In fact, the answer that we do have may be completely different from the actual answer we don't know. And no one is actively trying to find out.

Because again, we're on to the next thing. And so on and so on and so on with almost every big news story over the past, I don't know 15 years more. And there's kind of no way to change this because there's not enough time in life to go back and reverse engineer what we thought we knew about the most significant moments in American history.

“View of them that are worth pressing on even though years have passed and one of them, one of the top ones after 9/11, which is the most important story of our lives because it completely changed America, the structure of America.”

But after that, you'd have to say that January 6th is near the top of the list. Why? Well, bunch of reasons.

Obviously, because January 6th produced the single largest federal criminal investigation in American history, almost every single FBI field office was involved in tracking down the perpetrators of this insurrection, in which many policemen were murdered. And so on and so forth, almost every one of those details turned out to be a lie was not actually an insurrection, no one was armed, no one had a gun. There's so such thing as an unarmed insurrection can't inserrect if you're unarmed. And no police officers were murdered that day. In fact, the only person shot to death that day was a protester was shot to death by a cop, a capital policeman called Michael Bird, her name was Ashley Babitt. You're familiar with the rough outline of this.

“But the one fact that is true is that this did produce the largest FBI investigation in American history, something 5,000 agents were involved.”

And in the end, they arrested about 1500 people on federal crimes. And a bunch of those people went to jail. They're not everybody who was involved that day on camera, probably involved, including people who encouraged others to breach the capital, to go inside to break an obvious law by going into a locked federal building. Not all of those people wound up being charged or serving jail time. Nick Fuintes, for example, was on camera, encouraging people to start in the capital. He wasn't punished for that, apparently certainly didn't serve any jail time over it.

Same thing. What is that? Maybe just a weird anomaly where the feds spent years in the again largest domestic criminal investigation in American history charged 1500 people with federal crimes, but just missed a couple who were on camera, encouraging others to break the law.

But lost in all of this debate, and you'll remember there wasn't much debate about January 6 that first, everybody was appalled by. It was an insurrection.

“The Republicans were appalled by it when Ashley Bird was killed. They were Republican senators who applauded the shooting of an unarmed woman and Air Force veteran by a cop with a record of reckless behavior, Michael Bird.”

They were just happy. She was dead because she was threatening them somehow. She was like five to an unarmed woman. She was shot to death for no, just a viable reason. But they were happy. Republicans were happy. And why were they happy? Well, because they're a lot of them are basically authoritarian, of course. But because they felt threatened, there's such physical cowards that Ashley Babitt, her presence threatened them apparently. So almost nobody really asked these questions at first in the few who did.

We're strongly discouraged from ask those questions. They were defending violence or vandalism or whatever insurrection.

“Over time, it became clear that the purpose of the exercise was to discredit Donald Trump who had just lost the election, remember this all took place in the day the vote was being certified.”

A queues him of trying to overturn the results of that election, get him impeached and convicted and thereby prevent him from ever running for office again. The purpose of the whole exercise, at least the aftermath, the propaganda, the lies that attached to the events subsequently, the purpose of that was to solve the Trump problem once and for all, like he's gone.

He will never darken our city with a shadow again where I have to deal with that all the uncomfortable questions about our foreign policy or our economic policy like no more Trump.

And both parties could get behind that. In fact, they strongly were both behind that. This is before they just converted Trump and somehow brought him to their side who knows what that happened. We've addressed that in other episodes, but the point is we now know with some clarity and certainty that January 6 was not in fact an insurrection against the Congress. It was an insurrection by the Congress by Promenade Washington against the population.

And that's really, really clear, but there was one part of that story that was really never resolved at all one way or the other.

And it was a widely reported facet and then soon forgotten part of the story in which somebody planted pipe bombs, like unem bomber type pipe bombs pipes with explosives outside the Republican National Committee and the Democratic National Committee, the morning of 9/11. And this is one of those stories again that right away in the first hours after the fake insurrection happened, news outlets told you about it.

And then they kind of stopped reporting on it. And then we learned maybe a year later that Kamala Harris was at the DNC when the pipe bomb was found, but somehow she never mentioned it.

And you begin to think, it's not clear what happened there, but probably not what they told us. And by the way, why haven't they answered the question, who did this? This is Capitol Hill. This is Washington, D.C. This is one of the most surveilled places on planet Earth. There are very few physical spots on Capitol Hill where you're not being monitored by cameras where there's no CCTV recording your movements. And of course now with advances in technology, facial recognition, but others, it should be pretty easy to find out who planted bombs on Capitol Hill, especially if you've got the largest domestic law enforcement investigation in American history trying to find out.

But instead there was basically silence until a guy called Darren Beaty who ran at the time a website called revolver news ran a piece that asked that question, like, wait, why haven't they solved this? And what was that? And how would that be connected to the events of January 6? If this was in fact an insurrection by Trump voters against the system itself against the United States of America, this is like a modern Fort Sumter.

“Proceeding a civil war, and that's literally what they told us it was. They tried it over the government. Okay, now, how did that fit in? What did that have to do with it?”

And the explanation that the Biden administration gave sort of takes something talked about it was, well, this was an effort to distract people, law enforcement from the insurrection that was happening at the Capitol, they would set off these bombs outside the two party headquarters. There's law enforcement rush there, and the insurrectionists would continue to, I don't know what, sit at Nancy Pelosi's desk, wander aimlessly around the Senate, which is what actually happened.

But this piece by Darren Beaty raised the possibility that, of course, and what you thought about this was clearly true, of course federal law enforcement know exactly who planted bombs in front of the party headquarters.

“What made January 6 different from all other widely publicized crimes in our lifetimes is that it was a crime committed not against private citizens. It wasn't like shooting people at a country music concert in Las Vegas, injuring 867 of them.”

I mean, that's sad, of course, but what does that have to do with Washington? What does that have to do with us? What does that have to do with people who run the country know those are like whatever country music fans probably voted for Trump like it's sad sad maybe we can use their deaths to advocate for disarming the population. But it's not really a threat to anyone's power, just the opposite actually. January 6 was at least construed and I think a lot of the people who repeat the propaganda convinced themselves this was an actual threat to bipartisan Washington not just Democrats but to Republicans Lindsey Graham was every bit as upset as Chuck Schumer.

Because it was a threat to the symbol of their power, the Congress which once upon a time was called the People's House and was called People's House as a reminder that actually the purpose of all of this is to serve the owners of the country, which is not members of Congress, 535 stewards of the country. It's the people who vote for them, the citizens, they own all of this so they own by definition the Congress itself, the People's House. That's not the prevailing attitude in Washington, which needles to say is we own all of this and you're here for some purpose increasingly unclear labor has no value thanks to AI so it's not like you're actually doing anything for us. You're kind of in the way.

And the last thing we want is for you to like pipe up and criticize us or get in the way of whatever our plans might be. You're just kind of annoying hecklers spoiling the play that we're putting on for our own amusement. And so shut up and by the way, if you refuse to shut up and if you get really mouthy about it and shut up with bull horns at our house, not yours, not the People's House, we're going to put you in prison. And we're going to deny you bail. The overwhelming majority of you who can't afford competent counsel, we're going to give you public defenders who hate you who ensure that you're going to be stuck in some roach infested hellhole, for example DC city jail. So that's that's what happened.

But the pipe bomb question hung in the air. How could they not know who did that? They're highly motivated to track down the perpetrators, but somehow not that interested in solving a crime attempted bombing of the two political headquarters didn't make any sense at all as Darren Beady bravely and correctly pointed out several years ago. But still, the Washington Post, the New York Times didn't seem to have a lot of interest in solving this crime. We're in pushing federal law enforcement to solve the crime. Like, where what's the status of this? How many hours of CCTV footage do you have?

“Have you looked at it? Have you run it against your facial recognition software? Why can't you find the person who did this? You know you can. Why aren't you?”

And so it really took, I don't know, four or five years until a reporter called Steve Baker who with the time work for the blaze.

Really said about trying to answer this question. And as you're about to hear in our interview with Steve Baker, he went to some lengths to solve the riddle.

And he may or may not have solved it. And we're not weighing in on that and his conclusions got the subject of a pretty well-publicized lawsuit.

So, not only is it not our place to weigh in on it. Just want to make it clear. We're not weighing in on it. But it certainly is inspiration to the rest of us that we should probably get to the bottom of the Steve Baker spends quite a long time trying to figure this out.

And he thinks he figures it out. And he name somebody, wrongly or not. And within literally days after years of not solving this crime, federal authorities arrested guy, who they claimed did it.

And he is by all descriptions, some apparently autistic guy, black guy. And they spun this whole story and he confessed to the crime and like we can rest easy now.

“He did it because who knows what, and he's transgender or someone who knows. I can't even remember what the excuse was for why this guy did it.”

And a lot of people who know the guy pretty well, like, yeah, no, he didn't do that. Like, that's absurd. But, you know, we're not going to weigh in on that because we don't know what we do know is that after years of apparently not doing anything to solve this crime, which is prima facia a serious crime bombing the party headquarters on Capitol Hill. Yeah, that's serious.

So we're not quite sure what to make of this other than a reminder that no US citizen has an obligation to take the word of anyone in an official capacity in authority and particularly not in federal law enforcement.

“As gospel, just because they say it does not mean it's true, obviously, just because anybody says anything doesn't mean it's true. People lie.”

Not always, hopefully not often, but they do sometimes we know that and people in authority have motive to lie, particularly when they're covering up something that they did in the first place.

And that may be the macro lesson of this. There has been no effort, really, and no pressure to provoke an effort really to find out who is behind these supposed pipe bombings in part because everyone in Washington is potentially implicated in this. If it turned out that January 6 was not an entirely organic, maybe partly organic, but not entirely organic event, if it turned out that it was to some extent, maybe not wholly but in part staged or encouraged by people with a completely different agenda.

“That included sabotaging Trump's political career going forward, then the perpetrators wouldn't just be the Democratic Party, they would be the majority of Republican leadership.”

It would be a bipartisan effort, and that may be the real takeaway here.

What we're looking at, on January 6, we're looking at, in the Iran War, we're looking at in the total mismanagement of the US economy for most of our lives, is not a partisan question, it's like one party took control, got both houses of Congress and the White House, packed the Supreme Court and went crazy. It's that the leaders of both parties, not their voters, but the leaders of both parties in Washington had a very similar vision for what they wanted, how it might benefit them, and they did it.

Not an opposition to each other, but in consensus, in agreement with each other. That is the unavoidable conclusion if you look at the past 40 years of American history, not that the parties are bitterly in odds, but that they are secretly in collusion. How could you reach another conclusion if you look at the outcome? You probably couldn't. But this specific story, we'll not related to economic or foreign policy, is a kind of window into the wall of resistance that you bump up against when you start asking questions about, "Hey, what is going on here?"

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Can't know if it's true, can't know really if most things are true, but you can assess the evidence that we can confirm and come to your own conclusions about what it means. And you should, because in this case, it matters. With that, here's Steve Baker. Steve Baker, thank you very much for doing this. Thank you. Now we have some distance between right now and January 6th.

“I think you know, is much or more about it than anybody. Can you just describe it in general? What was January 6th in retrospect?”

I like to couch it in this preface, and I saw a lot of people doing bad things that day. Yes, I saw a lot of people doing good things. You were there. I was there. Yep. I've been prosecuted for being there. Yep. I saw a lot of otherwise good people doing some stupid things that day, but that's true on both sides of the police line.

I think I was back in cost. That was back in February of 23, something like that.

“And in fact, in fact, you had a couple of your producers called me to ask me what they needed to be looking at.”

And you took the Lieutenant Tark Johnson story that you did on your second week or second day of that. That was my suggestion. And the truth of the matter is, is that it was a setup. What happened at the Capitol? It was manipulated. It was engineered.

And there is incredible amount of disinformation on both sides of the line.

“It doesn't matter whether you're on the left, it doesn't matter if you're on the right, whether you're maga, whether you're on the sedition hunters side of the ledger.”

It doesn't matter tremendous amount of wrong information on both sides. And one of the things that I've endeavored to do, because I've had more access to the video than any other journalist in the world. I've spent more time in there, not only myself, but teams of other journalists working with me that we've gone in there with focused intentions and knowing what we're looking for. And then obviously surprised by many things like, for instance, one of the biggest pieces of misinformation on the right is that the doors were thrown open by the Capitol police and people were waved into the Capitol.

That's not true. All seven of the doors that were breached at the Capitol were breached from the inside by the protesters who first went through the broken windows on that northwest and at wing door that we've famously seen. Now, after that, in an effort to de-escalate, once the building was overrun, Capitol police did hold doors open for people. And that was one of your first videos was showing the the shaman being led to the Senate. Yes, chamber and a cut open the door for him. And that was a brilliant reveal.

They did do those kinds of things, but not until later, not until after the Capitol was breached. And that's one of the mistakes that again, the right makes the biggest mistake that the left makes is they are convinced by the narrow presentation of video that they saw. Because I'll tell you, I mean, my critics will tell it from the left, I'll say, you can't gaslight me. I saw it with my own eyes. I was watching it live. I know what happened. No, you don't. You saw a very narrow, narrowly focused battle scene. There were only like between 80 and 100 people who did any violence that day at all.

Out of the hundreds of thousands of people that went to the Capitol that day, only 80 Tucker. But if you show the same battle scene from this angle, that angle, this angle, this camera, that camera, and you show it over and over and over and over again relentlessly for five years, then they believe that they know what they've seen.

“But they don't. Not until you've seen all of the other footage, which we have endeavored to do. I don't think anybody can see 40,000 hours worth of video, but we've seen the most important parts of it.”

And that's why I can honestly sit before anybody, again, on the right or the left, and go, no, that's not correct. And the right has a lot wrong as well. What they do have right is that it was a fed selection, but I don't think it was set up by the FBI. I believe, and I've talked about this before, so this is on a big revelation. I'll give you a couple of those later. But this, this is, and was a set up that was designed and manipulated by elements of the Department of Defense, capital police in the CIA.

To take down, it was a furtherance of the CIA and the intelligence community operation to take Trump out from ever being in politics ever again.

And so the idea was to provoke something so awful that he would be state, well, maybe legally prohibited by conviction on an impeachment trial, but otherwise so stained that he could never run again.

That's exactly what the intent and the purpose was. And it was manipulated from the very beginning. I mean, look, you've, you've done stories and all of us want to avoid defamation lawsuits, but I'm kind of past that point now. But you know, if, if we started from the very beginning and revisited every aspect of January 6, this would have to be a, you know, 20 part series yesterday and we're not going to do that. And we'll give us some indication of why you've concluded it was a set up. The first thing that happened, and I, I was there that day, I captured my own video. And as I was driving home on the seventh from DC to Raleigh, North Carolina where I live.

I actually called a friend of mine, special operator in the United States Army and said, hey, I need to place crash for a few days because before I get arrested.

“That for sure, because I went inside the capital building that that would happen, even though I went in with a camera and in the intent of following the story where the story went as a journalist, not as a writer, never did any writing.”

The or any violence or anything of of that type. But because of the types of people that were being arrested, I thought, okay, well, I need to go hide out somewhere. I need to write my story. I need to publish my videos. Go through them all. And then when I get my story out, they can come get me.

So the first thing I did is I started going through frame by frame analyzing my own video. And so I'm staying with a tier one special operator.

And he's, you know, standing over my shoulder looking at the videos that I have and he's pointing to the screen and going, okay, now watch him. This is his job. Watch watch what he does here. And I'm like, what are you talking about? He's got a sandwich in one hand and a cup of coffee in the other hand. And he goes, yeah, watch, watch, watch what happens right here. Watch, he does that. Now he disappears into the crowd. Now watch her. This is what she does. Now this is her job. And I'm seeing this through another set of eyes. And what are you talking about? Because, well, this is what we do overseas. This is how we insight color revolution overseas.

We're trained to do that.

“And so while I'm in my five day process of going through all my stuff and writing my first story about January 6, which was 9,500 words, what I saw that day, well, experience that day.”

One of these times he's leaning over my shoulder, he says, oh, you know, we were there that day. And again, what? He said, yeah, we had boots on the ground that day. Meaning the National Guard waiting down the street? No, meaning special operators from the US Army. In plain clothes, in plain clothes.

And so my second article, which came out about six weeks afterwards, I actually revealed for the first time that elements of our special forces were in the crowd.

Now I didn't portray them as being, you know, they're for the nefarious reasons are doing anything wrong. In fact, I even said it very well could be that they were there. You know, to take care of business in case things did get out of hand. But they weren't there in their capacity is private citizens and Trump voters. That's correct. There were, there were, we know that for a fact.

Of course, there were enlisted people retired military. Actually, Babbit was a former Air Force. Yeah, enlisted. There were ATF agents there, private capacity. There were Trump supporters from all of the bureaus and agencies. And this, that and the other thing within the federal government that were there in private capacities.

And so many of them were arrested and charged. Some of them did time in prison. And so in this particular situation, though, I learned through my own work. And through my access to that community is that we had elements there of very, very elite nature from our special operators. And I just published that they were there.

Now, nobody believed me. Nobody wanted to believe me. I got highly criticized for that order to be there. Yes. Yes. And then exactly one year later, a writer for Newsweek, gentleman by the name of William Arkin, on the first anniversary of January 6, published an article.

“The headline was, secret commandos with shoot to kill orders at January 6.”

That's the headline, the newsweek story. It's still online. You can look it up. It took me over two years before Arkin would even respond to me because I wanted, you know, look, I wanted to maybe pick his brain. He could pick mine. He could share with me what he knew, what I know. And he wouldn't talk to me.

When he finally responded, he was very hostile toward me, very antagonistic. He says, I feel like you've been trying to set me up. I'm not trying to set you up. I want to call you, call you, share what we know about that very thing. Actually, I have a screenshot from the DM communication with him where he denied that it ever even happened.

He goes, he goes, that was, it never happened.

If it never happened, how come it's not been retracted?

Yeah, it was never happened. He disavowed his own story. That's correct. Cost of living is already making it hard to live here, and it's not getting any better. Unfortunately, it's likely to get worse. And a lot of Americans fill the gap with credit cards, not just for fancy dinners,

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Now, you've had a member of that unit sitting at your table here recently. They don't exist.

That was one of the things that made this very difficult was, first of all,

“when you write a story, you have to call and, you know, as you have to call,”

get spoke personal and record. Yeah, disavowing or saying something or commenting about whatever. Whether it's the FBI, CIA, DOD. Well, when you call the DOD, and you ask them about this particular unit out of Fort Belvoir, just outside of D.C., we don't know what you're talking about.

There's no such unit. Well, there is such a unit. And the special operators' community is well aware of who they are. And they don't have a name. I'm not a real name.

They have a variety of names that they go by. They're typically universally referred to within their community as TFO or Task Force Orange. There's been books written about them.

They have very soon been called the Unit, the Activity, and other things throughout the years.

But they do. What's their job? They operate domestically. They have a couple of jobs. They are, well, they're not supposed to operate domestically.

Not at all. As none of the United States, you know, armed forces are except for National Guard. And so there's the signal intelligence group that's mostly, if I, and they'll, believe me, they'll correct me when I get a little minor details wrong. But the signal intelligence part of them, they're most of them, we're out of Fort Maid.

And these are the guys. I mean, look, these are the most elite of the elite of the elite. Now, they don't look like Navy SEALs. They don't look like Delta Force guys. They're typically smaller.

They're used to brains. They're training as much more in the way of surviving through isolation. And they become deep inserts into jurisdictions around the world where we're not supposed to exist. They're not supposed to operate that sort of thing. And they typically are on the front edge.

They leap before Delta Force and SEALs are ever deployed. These guys, the unit, the activity TFO have been there already for a long time. And they have to survive that without contact. And they're all of them are polyglots, one of my closest friends and deepest sources within that community. He speaks eight languages, five of them native, as he says.

And they're all highly trained, all have specialization. They're all smart, high cues off the charts. So they're not the, you know, the meaty thousand pushups. Right. It's not them.

But they run marathons. And everything about them is, is they're trained for endurance and isolation. Hmm. Is there greater skills? Was there job on January 6th?

I don't know. Still, I haven't found that out. But you found out early that there were current members on duty members of the US military in the crowd. Yes, trust in civilian clothes.

“What's the CIA's connection to the events of that day?”

I believe that, well, look, you go back to the 51 intel. Yes. Leaders. Who's tired? Tell officers who denied that 100 Biden's laptop was 100 Biden's, et cetera, et cetera.

Yes. This is all part of that same operation downstream from Mark Milley. Yep.

Yep.

“And the, I believe that certain very high-ranking elements in the capital police were, obviously,”

and on this, we know that now from our video. We've discovered this from the video review, Tucker. I don't have to pull this out of my ass. It's in the videos. And we've released a lot of it, and a lot more of it is coming.

But we know that the capital police were ground soldiers that day, not all of them. The front line officers, they were doing their job. Yep.

In fact, I, one of my very first stories, and I got this from my own camera, was that the capital police

were, I called them sacrificial lambs. That day. Our pawns, I used the word pawns, sacrificial pawns. And the reason why I said that is when I was on the front line with my camera and had my camera in these young officers' faces that had just been called to the front line of this battle that was just

breaking out on the West Lower West Terrace, they're the capital. They had fear in their eyes, and they had no protection. They had no body armor. They had no goggles. They had no face.

You know, gas masks. They had no helmets. That's another story right there. Their helmets had been collected two weeks before. We're taking up.

They were ordered to turn their helmets in. That's a whole other story that we've done work on. As I said, we could do a 20 part series on this. This is so complex. But my thought about these young front line capital police officers real quick.

You can go, you can be a capital police officer for 30 years, and I'm not being critical. I know they're accused of being, you know, glorified mall cops, that sort of thing.

But you can go 30 years at the capital police, and basically never do anything other than, yes,

man, the restrooms this way. Yes. Unlike Metropolitan Police Department, who the city of Washington, that police force knocks heads every day for sure. They have to deal with most of the riots.

And so I saw these young kids being called to the front line facing actual real violence, because there was real violence that day. And my next thought was what they're seeing coming at them over my shoulder. And for instance, the capital police lieutenant, Tark Johnson, who you interviewed, yes. He called his wife and said, "Tell the kids I love them, I'm not coming home today."

You know, we're dying here today.

“That's what they thought, because all of the sudden, there's this handful of just a few dozen people violently attacking the front line of officers,”

but they see tens of thousands of people over my shoulder coming at them, not knowing what their intentions were. They were scared, they were scared to death, yeah. And some of them overreacted. So I have a lot of sympathy for these front line officers, because they were not, they didn't get briefings that morning. They were under-under-mand under-staffed on purpose.

January 6, every four years, is supposed to be an all-boots on the ground day for the capital police. They're supposed to work double shifts as a matter of fact. That's policy.

That's department policy for first amendment protests days.

The capital police themselves had issued and signed off on six permits for protest on the property that day, and they did not inform their officers that they had issued permits that day. Jeez. How many federal agents in plainclosure in the crowd that day do we know? You have to separate that, you know, we heard the reports few months ago, about the 247 that they had--

Yes, Patel.

“Is it one of the actual truths that Cash Patel has told about that day?”

Is that there were 240 something at the IA agents that were called in for crowd control? But Tucker, they didn't arrive until after four o'clock. Those orders were issued like, these were not the under-covers, these were not the ones that-- that's reported were doing the various activities. These were people with no crowd control training whatsoever.

The FBI is not trained for that. A special agent in the FBI is not trained for crowd control. They're not bouncers. And they showed up with their FBI jackets on or FBI ball caps. They're vests.

Some of them had put on their ballistic vest, that kind of thing. But it all was in blazing with FBI. These were not the plain-- Okay, all FBI are plainclos, except for the, you know, the SWAT teams. All of them.

And so, when you say that they were playing close, that doesn't mean undercover. But they showed up with their FBI, you know, big yellow letters all over their gear.

I-- I-- I-- videoed them as they arrived.

“But I also videoed SWAT team that was already there early on.”

Because it was FBI SWAT team that were trying to save Ashley Babitz life. Down in the lower level, the capital. Yeah, walk right past her body. You did. Yes. I got her own-- I got her-- I'm the one that published the video of her being extracted out the south door. That's my video.

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So we don't know. So the 240 FBI agent's number is not relevant to the question of to what extent was this available. That 247 are absolutely irrelevant and that's another thing that the right gets wrong. If I can care if I have to characterize the two narratives about January 6, that's one that they get wrong. But the relevant question is how many people in the crowd pretending to be protesters were actually working for the federal government. We don't have that answer. We don't have that number. The FBI could tell us that number. They know that number.

First of all, we know that there was 20 something CHSs that they've told us about confidential human sources actively working with CIA. I mean, sorry, FBI handlers as they were embedded in the various organizations, whether the proud boys or the other keepers or three percentors or whatever. We know that.

“I believe there was a much higher number than that that they've not revealed. And then, of course, there were the operative. The other thing, and I'm not trying to give FBI any grace on this.”

But the truth of the matter is, is if you've got a crowd size of my estimate was that the total crowd size was between 400,600,000 people at the capital that way. Now, actual capital police officers who testified in the crowd said that as they looked out over the sea of people, this is a quote from the trials. It was a crowd as large as any inaugural event I have ever attended. That means it's big, really big. Okay, so now the press still says that there were only 30,000 people in DC that day. They've held to that number.

And that's incorrect. And then you've got people that exaggerate and say there were 2 million people, but they weren't.

So you have this situation where in a crowd of that size any time you're going to have elements of all of the federal law enforcement agencies and departments and bureaus are going to be there. They're going to have counter surveillance teams in the crowd. And we want them there. They're sniffing for bombs. They're looking for nerdy wells. They know the signs. They're trained for that very thing. And we want them there. Just as we want them in time square, you know, on New Year's Eve. Just as we want them in any large event.

Is there there to protect the public? What you don't want is playing close federal agents or confidential human sources stirring up mayhem provoking violence or actual selling provocateurs.

Was Ray Ep's one of them? I believe he was. I mean, look, the circumstantial evidence is there.

I mean, look, you know the story intimately about Ray Ep's. I kept trying to assume he bit never did. Yeah. Well, he probably doesn't want to go through discovery with a suspect. That's true. Absolutely. But I mean, look, we don't need to relive his case, but the obvious is the obvious. He was number 16 on the FBI's January 6 most wanted list and then suddenly he wasn't and suddenly disappeared. And suddenly the New York Times comes out, Alan Foyer and does a puff piece article in him and gosh, when did that come out to summer of 22? And they made him the sympathetic character and ever forget it.

“Yeah, it's incredible. How does the guy that's the most open, most broadcast person calling people to go into the capital? How does he become the sympathetic character of the left?”

And never get charged, you know, eventually, eventually. Right, but with minor charges. He never even had to come into this. Why does never get charged with anything?

Yeah, which is kind of crazy since Nick Fuentes was calling people to rush the capital. What is that? A lot of people. There's characters that are on video and there's a tremendous amount of video beyond the capital police CCTV, which by the way, that video has no, you know, the CCTV, as you know, has no audio. But the body cam footage, the news camera footage is the insane amount of iPhone footage that have been collected for discovery in all these trials. So we hear tons and tons of characters that are calling for violence, calling for people to attack law enforcement to storm the capital, this that and the other thing.

“And so many of those have never been arrested. Is that true? Absolutely. Meanwhile, you were, and I was correct. And what were you charged with?”

So when, when the FBI first interviewed me in October of 21, a month later, the US attorney, the US attorney, who had my case, notified my attorney in Raleigh, that his client was going to be charged within the week. This was the week before Thanksgiving of 21. And they listed the charges. They were going to charge me with, I kid you not, interstate racketeering. To my knowledge, I was the only one of everybody in the whole January six drag net prosecutions weaponization of our government against all of us that was going to be charged with racketeering.

And basically the case that they were going to make is that because I as an independent journalist blogger had made money from the licensing of my videos, HBO licensed my videos, New York Times licensed my videos for their documentary. Others all over the world licensed some of my videos, and you know, you don't give her much money for the other it's like the the standard rate is a thousand dollars per minute.

“Well, so when they when they use six seconds of your video, you're not getting a lot of money. No, so so that was the only thing that we could conclude.”

And then so what we did is we did a major press offensive. So this was the week before Thanksgiving on Monday of Thanksgiving week, we sent out about 200 press releases to all manner of media and saying that no journalists is being prosecuted for journalism on January six being me and the DOJ backed off. And we didn't hear from them again for even though they said I was going to be arrested Thanksgiving week, we have this in writing, by the way still do. They said I was going to be arrested the week of Thanksgiving of 21 we didn't hear from them again till 20 months later when I got a grand jury.

20 months, 20 months, they went dead silent would not even respond to my attorneys. That's so wrong. That is not a free country when they act like that left me in the large like that for long that long and then it wasn't till after the grand jury's opinion it was another eight months before they did actually arrest me. And I where did they arrest you I was working for the blaze at the time and I was in Dallas where the blaze headquarters was kind of pre planned when they when they told us what the with the date of my voluntary submission to the FBI.

We chose to do that in Dallas so that we could get it all on camera and I submitted myself to the FBI filled office in Dallas and then they processed me there handcuffed me. That's where they captured my perk walk, burnt walk on camera and then they took me down to the federal courthouse in Dallas you charge the felony.

No, I wasn't I was charged with four misdemeanors ultimately that's they charged me with the basic four you know perating.

Like a journalist stopping taking notes camera this that I mean my entire 37 minutes are on YouTube you can go watch it right now.

And so what happened?

“Ultimately I had a trial date set that was exactly one week after the twenty twenty four election. I had. Are you serious? So I have my pre trial hearing was the day after the election.”

And judge Christopher Cooper which by the way the same judge who just made made them take take Trump's name off of the Kennedy Center same judge he. He hated me he really wanted to put me in jail. For what? My journalist walking in a building you own to commit journalism wait to you hear what he said in my hearing. So the day after the election he was obviously in a bad mood. And he shot down every one of our emotions. I mean it would not allow me to present a selected prosecution defense and that was going to be our primary defense is because we were going to force the government to explain why the other.

80 something journalists that came in from the outside into the inside of the capital that day and followed the story where the story went why weren't they prosecuted. They were not arrested correct not arrested not charged with anything why were they not and yet I was so that was going to be our argument and the judge totally said you're not you're not going to do a selected prosecution and you cannot present a first amendment case in this courtroom. So you can't appeal to the constitution if you're I'm sorry that's correct. So as soon as we got off of the pre trial hearing was a zoom call I got on another zoom call with my attorneys for of them.

And immediately two of my attorneys who were former federal prosecutors themselves said look you understand that this trial is going to be nothing but a shaming exercise against you and I said yeah I've been covering the trials I know exactly what they're going to do I'm not doing it informed the court informed the DOJ that I'm pleading guilty to all four of Mr. Major charges and what was the penalty. Well, so this was now a so the my pre trial hearing was a day after the election my beginning of my court date was supposed to be the very next week exactly one week after the election.

The next day we got a message from Charlie Kirk because he was on the transition team and he said directly to me your pardon is a done deal don't worry about it it's all taken care of.

“So I had that knowledge and that information going into my trial date and I rolled the dice that's why I've played guilty to all four rather than going through the humiliation exercise.”

And so we were in the hearing and at the end of that pleading guilty to all four the judge asked the clerk when is Mr. Baker's. And she and she was Mr. Baker sentencing hearing will be March 6th he goes okay he said Mr. Baker you're sentencing hearing going to be on March 6th of next year he said. But since I probably will not see you in March. But you knew the partners are coming as well all of those judges did they all knew that the partners are coming he said since I won't see you in March he said and I'm I quote I'm going to hazard to deliver to you the remarks that I would normally give at your sentencing hearing.

Let me down for the next seven right minutes I have the transcript for my journal he never mentioned one thing I was charged with never mentioned anything that I did or said at the capital.

“The only thing he did was my post January six I talked about was my post January six journalism in which I had referred to the weaponization of the department of justice and the bias of this court.”

And right minutes defending the court against my journalism. Not one word about my this is not charges nuts we have I have it all so I have the I have the transcripts.

So you never went to jail no I did not get a pardon I got a case dismissal with prejudice because in the federal system until you are.

People work basically it's filed and so I was it's for me it's like it never happened I mean it did and went through three years of hell with that but yeah in the cost I can't even imagine.

“Wow I don't think that got enough attention at the time.”

I was one of the high profile cases I actually had a bevy of mainstream media journalists from the Washington Post AP and. W. USA nine and everything were there in my in my hearing they were there and in fact in the press conference afterwards outside the courthouse. I actually looked at the the guy from the Washington Post Spencer Hugh and I said you were in there you heard what the judge said he criticized me for my journalism. That's not for what I did on January that Spencer Hugh with Washington Post say he went.

Yeah you're right and then his article that came out later that day was incredibly fair good yeah.

So it was I don't know but it was months many months after January six that I first became aware of the mystery of the two pipe bombs left on capital Hill that morning it was a piece.

I think by Darren Bd and revolver.

“And so that was at least four years ago and I don't think we're any closer to or I'm not any closer understanding what that was can you describe.”

The story like what was publicly conveyed about those pipe bombs and then tell the story about what you think actually happened. What what the public believes happened was that an affairs individual planted these devices these weapons of mass destruction at both the republican national committee headquarters and the democratic national committee headquarters. And that a lot of people believe that those were to be used in case we couldn't stop the you know we you know the. The people who stormed the capital that a construction right the insurrectionists which which I was accused of being couldn't stop the vote that day or the the confirmation of the electoral college vote.

That they were going to blow blow the bombs that was the initial thought and that was of course the way the press breathlessly presented this.

That's not at all what happened let's just start with the very beginning so this is but here's what we know where we read that day or the next day.

Two bombs to explosive devices were found outside in front of the R&C and the DNC on capital Hill on January 6 correct correct. Okay yes now.

“Everything starts breaking down from there.”

First of all we now know in hindsight from actual FBI agents who were tasked. To that investigation that they were told by leadership that the devices were inert. And it was that our familiar with bomb making and bomb training from all of the federal agencies have said looking at the photographs and looking at the FBI's forensic report which came out a week later. I have I have the entire report said that these were typical training devices. They were not bombs they were not bombs one of the FBI was a blow or simultaneously said they would have been bombs if they had been bombs.

And and so we now know that despite what the FBI continues to say about the devices being dangerous being the having the potential to do great harm and bodily in fact they've charged the guy that they've arrested with weapons of mass destruction and terrorism. But I mean when it was first reported it was reported as as an act of terrorism yes, but you're saying the FBI knew right away or absolutely they were not bombs. Yeah they they knew on the day of that they were not bombs. Why would they lie about that?

And I don't think that the FBI was brought into the lie until the investigation began and then that's when the blob informs the blob that we must protect the blob. Yes, and that's where we are today. Well that's how things actually work. Exactly. It's not partisan.

No. It's not one agency. It's not a rogue agency or a rogue politician. It is the system protecting itself. And by the way, I stole the blob analogy from Mike Benz who actually did the work for Darren Beaty back on the python and I should have said that.

I should have said that. And so the. The first that was the first breakdown the second breakdown is has been in the timing. So the discovery of the devices the first one was discovered 25 minutes before the bicameral meeting of Congress and the.

So the first bomb was discovered 25 minutes before that.

All right.

“Then the second device was discovered five minutes after one o'clock.”

Well, chief police son or chief of police capital police chief son who interviewed a couple of times. He absolutely says that those were diversionary devices. Those were meant to divert resources from the capital already as I mentioned earlier extremely depleted. There's on January 6th over 2000 uniformed officers with the capital police less than 250 were on duty that day. Despite the fact there were all these six or something registered protests despite the fact that the assistant chief of police.

Yogan on the pitman had signed off on six legally permitted protest events on the capital grounds. Who had a pitman who went on to get rewarded by Nancy Pelosi with a job at the Berkeley University of California of Berkeley. Yeah. Tells you so much. Okay.

So. But these bombs were for these devices were found right around the time of the vote. And the rest of us thought that it was almost like the anthracics attacks before 9/11. We knew right after 9/11.

“We knew something terrible was going on, but there were never any details.”

Yeah. Well, here's another interesting aspect of the timing. So not only did the gavel drop at one o'clock. Those six permits all began at one o'clock. Now Trump had messed up the schedule because he arrived at the stage at the ellipse an hour late.

So he was supposed to take the stage and begin his speech is hour long speech at 11 a.m. He did not take the stage until 11.57. All right. Then he went over his time. He did not leave the stage till 11.16 p.m.

By then, the first breaches had already happened.

The first battle lines had already been established. And the first launching of less than lethal into the crowd. It were already taking place before the president ever left the stage. All those early people, including ray-ups, including about 50 former marines that were on that front line,

had already breached the barricades. It had already started taunting and attacking police. And now you have two calls over the police radio, which we have. We have an entire all day of the police radio.

And the calls go out. They need reinforcements at the RNC and the DNC, because that's within both of those buildings or within the capital police jurisdiction. So they had to divert this already depleted force.

“And that's why we know that they were diversionary devices.”

And that was the point. It was the pull law enforcement away. So at the same time that capital police are going to the other locations. Now you have the arrival of metropolitan police are now showing up at the capital. They're streaming in.

They're coming in to kick but fighting gets worse and worse and worse. And as I said, good people on both sides of the line, bad people on both sides of the line. And the next thing that we know, and this is what's really important, is in the aftermath of the devices, is what we learned from video.

And this is the single most important thing that we learned from video first of all,

is we saw the reaction to the discovery of the device at the DNC. Now we did not see the reaction because the capital police has never showed us, or the FBI has never showed us any video in the alleyway behind the R&C. Now the device was actually behind the capital hill club, you know, Republican hangout kind of a next door and attached to the R&C.

There's allegedly no camera there, but there is. I'll get to that here in a minute. But at the DNC, we see a Thomas Massey likes to call him, the two counter surveillance officers that work for the capital police undercover, plain clothes, counter-sciberial officers, capital police,

and they work for the intel department of the capital police. One of them, Massey calls a men-bun guy because he ain't been wearing a man-bun and the other one he calls backpack guy. Back back guy went to the two SUVs that were guarding the parking deck entrance of the DNC. Why were they there? Because then vice president-elect Kamala Harris was inside the DNC.

Not where she was supposed to be, by the way. She's supposed to be over the capital, which is another very, very strange aspect of this entire story.

I want to clock, she's inside the DNC.

“So, the secret service have swept that building already.”

Human assets, dogs, they've swept that entire side. We've found on video at 830 in the morning. 890 secret service walking right past where the bomb allegedly was found. That bomb was in the wide open. It could not have not been seen. It could not have not been found by bomb dogs.

It could not have not been found by, not to mention the pedestrians that were walking by it all day long. It's wide open, right there. It wasn't hidden behind a bush. At 105, backpack guy, counter surveillance officer with a cat pack capital police, goes over to the SUVs.

He informs the secret service agent sitting inside the two SUVs.

We just found a bomb, suspicious device. The reaction of the secret service agents is the most suspicious thing that makes, made all of our mind, Darren Beatty, Mike Benz. Anybody else who's done any work on the pipe bomb knows that when you're informed that there's a bomb sitting 10 feet from you. You don't sit in the SUV and finish your sandwich for 2 to 7 minutes.

No. No. Then when they get out, they casually walk around. They don't stop traffic. Now, there's protocol.

These guys are trained. Every one of these agencies, bureaus are all trained on what to do when suspicious devices are found. They have to set up parameters, court on off a certain amount, depending upon the type of device they think it is. It could be 700 feet, it could be 2000 feet.

Yeah, it's a bomb. It's a bomb. So within a matter of feet, they don't have any concern for their own safety whatsoever. They're allowing families to continue walking 10 feet past the bomb down the sidewalk. And we know for a fact that they were told it was a bomb.

Absolutely. Well, then I don't believe that they were told that, though. This is what we've been told.

“I believe, and I've said this from the very beginning, the only thing that explains their reaction,”

our lack of reaction thereof, was the fact that they were told by the capital police guys, hey, look, we're in the middle of a training exercise. So we've got these devices over here. We're going to have to start the dog and pony show here a little bit. The bomb squad's going to come out.

We're going to have the robot and all that. Oh, no, no, go ahead and finish your lunch. That's the only thing that explains the reaction. And it's why the Kamal Harris, despite being there at the time and talking about January 6th constantly,

like it was Pearl Harbor, post 9/11, never publicly said a word about the fact she was there.

Now, you would think Kamal Harris would be bragging. I survived January. I survived a bombing attempt from the radical rate, weight wing supremacist or whatever. Instead, it took a year before newsweek, a political revealed that she was even in the bill.

Right. That's right. Higher year.

“So I think we can say based on everything that you said pretty confidently.”

These were not bombs. These were not bombs. Right. How'd they get there? This is where we have a real struggle because we have the videos of this dark figure.

This gray, you know, hoodie figure walking through that area around the R&C and DNC on the night of the fifth, both on both sides on the same individual, caught on camera, multiple cameras, all, you know, they're caught on ring cam, caught on the DNC cameras, caught on capital Cctv cameras. This figure comes out of nowhere at 7.34 pm, plants both devices and then disappears through a secret gate, by the way, at 18 pm.

Through a secret gate. Hmm. What is that? In the alleyway behind the R&C, there's residences in that alleyway. Yeah.

And businesses and the actual alley is called R&C Court. And at the opposite end of the long alleyway from where the R&C and the capital hill club are is a catheterch. And there's a garden on the other side of a fence. Well, if you don't know where the gate is because it's a hidden latch and the gate completely and perfectly blends in with the fence.

And there's no path, there's no footprint, sorry, whatever.

“The first time I went through it, there was snow on the ground that I went out and checked that out myself.”

So I only reason I found it is because I could see the snow prints where the local residents use that as a shortcut.

The second time I went out there in videoed, there's no evidence whatsoever.

And I had my camera and you can't see a latch, you can't see a gate of any kind. I happened to know where it was because I've been through it before. And so this young bomber, which we'll get into, I'm sure here in a moment, this young black autistic individual who allegedly confessed to the crime, told FBI that he mapped out his route for planting the devices by using Google Maps. There's two things that aren't on Google Maps though.

“That secret gate nor are the blind spots in capital police CCTV cameras.”

And the person who left these devices was clearly aware of where the blind spots were. And now we know more by video. Now the FBI has only ever released about 30 seconds of video of the bomber. And put out a $500,000 reward asking for tips from the public. If you recognize the way this person walks or the way you recognize anything about it, you know, call this 1-800 number. And the interesting thing is is that the FBI themselves told the congressional committee this was louder milk and louder milk and mass arts report that they had 30,000 video files of the bomber.

That's their number, not mine. 30,000 video files. They have only released about 30 seconds of video. Because of our access to capital CCTV, we have about 21 minutes of the hoodie bomber walking around.

It's never been shown to the public.

Where'd you get the of capital CCTV? How do you get access to capital CCTV?

“Well, if you remember, you guys were first granted access by McCarthy.”

And then they used a small handful of us as guinea pigs to eventually give universal access to house investigators have it. House investigators have it. They have the hard drives. And then they gave us access myself, Julie Kelly, John Solomon, Joe Hanaman, who was with epic times at the time now with my partner in this project. They and myself. And so with this access that we got, we harvested, literally harvested this amount of footage of the bomber walking around.

And this is where it really comes home to the capital police. Is on the evening that the gray hoodie figure was planting the devices. This individual only sat down in two places during the stroll. During that 734 to 818 period. The first place that the hoodie bomber sat down at was the DNC bench. Then, but did not place the bomb the first time that this individual sat down.

Got up left, went around the block, and went to the Congressional Black Caucus Institute and sat down at a bush outside the Congressional Black Caucus. Reached into the backpack, pulled out a device, and slid it under the bush. Then, changed their mind, reached, grabbed it back and put it back into the pouch or the backpack. Stood up, went down a back alleyway back to the DNC and then planted the bomb at the DNC. You can see the hoodie figure on camera, reach in, pull the device out of the bag, and then lay it over behind the bench and the mulch there.

One problem with that scene right there is the FBI says that Brian Cole Jr., who they arrested for being the bomber, said that that was when he set the timer on, you know, the egg timer, kitchen timer.

Except on video, he doesn't set the timer. One hand, in, one hand out, never stops to set the timer and sets it down.

If the FBI is clearly wrong, and if the kid really gave that in his confession, he was clearly lying in his confession, or delusional, or the fact that autistic individuals give the highest percentage of false confessions to law enforcement of any other demographic.

Brian Cole Jr., and this is where the problem comes in. Let me go back to the sitting down at the two locations.

“So the next day on the sixth, the first device is found at the RNC, loaded by a lady by the name of Carlin Younger, and the first device is found at 25 minutes before 1 o'clock.”

And then the capital police send out over their radio, they deploy their own counter surveillance teams, three of them, two men, each, to go out and look for other devices. This one counter surveillance team were men, bun, guy, and backpack guy. They, we find their car. My team, my guys, on my investigative team, find their car. We follow their car through the city, and it arrives at the Metro South parking lot right across the street from the RNC. They get out of their car, put their backpack and their jackets on. They walk and they be, now they're deployed to look for devices, right? This is their job. Our job is to look for devices. They spend their entire stroll from Metro South over to not the DNC. They go to congressional black caucus institute and walk right up to the bush.

Look under the bush, two minutes later, they then find, find the bomb at the DNC. The only two places that the hooded individuals sat down the night before is the only two places they actually looked in their stroll while they were looking for devices. They didn't look under to garbage cans under cars, they didn't look under other bushes, they looked nowhere else. This is a capital police operation. Do we know the identities of man-button backpack? Yes. They have been interviewed by the committee. In fact, representative Massey actually interviewed man-button guy himself. They have been interviewed and the congressional investigators say that it's the most pre-planned and rehearsed interview they've ever witnessed in their life.

And by the way, they could only get permission to interview them if they were not under oath and they had to be interviewed together what you never do in an investigation.

“If they were not under oath, they were not under oath and it was not, why would a law enforcement officer refuse to testify under oath?”

Because this was capital police. Capital police is different. Why would house investigators settle for that? Because Johnson and Jordan restricted the committee from investigating the capital police. Now, why would they do that? The Victorian Guard? Yeah. So if you're the cat just to be clear. I mean, if you doubt this, you can go back into the clips and look at every sex scandal or DUI scandal on Capitol Hill. It's always the capital police who were involved in it. And tons of people on the Hill have drinking or drug problems or so.

Yeah. Crazy, sexually did behave here and other things and the capital police know all that. Yes. They, you know, am I being in conspiracy not here? No, no. As a matter of fact, the first time I ever met Tark Johnson. Yes. One reason why I gave your team his story. Yep.

Was he looked at me the very first time I met with him was in the 22 sometime. And he said, Steve, you have no idea how powerful the capital police are.

And I'm thinking keystone cops glorified Mol cops. No way. Now, dignitary protection detail and the intel department are not the keystone cops. Yeah. This is the CIA. And as a result of that cooperation with the agency, they know where all the bodies are buried. They know where the skeletons and the closets are. Everything that you just talked about a moment ago. This is what they have privileged knowledge to and this is how they affect legislation on Capitol Hill.

“This is how they affect who the leadership is going to be. That's how the leadership disappoints us so gravely every time we get our guy in and he suddenly is no longer our guy.”

So you think that the capital police are like a vector of control. Absolutely. Yeah. I would not be surprised by the 100% at all. And of course, they're controlled by the speaker of the house. Yes. So it's an inherently political operation. So louder milk. Congressman Lattermilk, who's chairman of the last two January six investigative committees. The first one. His subcommittee was under house administration. The new and is a subcommittee under judiciary committee, chair by Jordan.

And how do I know this is because he told me himself to my face the only way he was able to continue his investigation and to matters related to January six is he had to agree not to investigate the capital police to which my response was you can't investigate January six without investigating the capital police. Why would you ever of that? I mean any investigation that begins with parameters like that. It's like Jeffrey Epstein search warrant. So it's like designed to obscure rather than illuminate the truth right.

They thought they thought that they would eventually have the ability to circumvent some of that and they did get the interview with the two counter. So I don't know. I know their names.

I've never released their names publicly, but I know there. Do you think yes. In fact, back Pat guy is now the.

Can I go believe this? He's now the capital police liaison to the FBI. Let doesn't surprise me at all. Kid you doesn't surprise me at all. If you look into the work histories of people with big jobs in DC. It's very, very common to come across something like that. You know, probably be the director of the FBI someday. So there's two things that we know. We know that the bomber had intimate knowledge that only capital police could know.

“The hidden gate, the under several several reasons why the knowledge of where the blind spots were in the cameras is very important to this story.”

Not the least of which is that the bomber only carried one bomb at a time and reloaded the backpack in a blind spot over a folder park.

There was no, and that's where the bomber either parked their car or their accomplice was waiting for them there. Who would have access to the blind spots? Only the capital police. Only. We know that there was when the bomber entered the mate. There's a famous, there's a famous video of the bomber apparently waving at a cop car. And right in front of the capital hill club, as a marked capital police car comes by, the bomber apparently waves at the car. Then walks around the corner. Two capital police cars pull up with their headlights on and create a blind. They blitz out the cameras that are faced down the street.

It completely obscures, and it was at that moment that the bomber ducked down into Ramsey Court.

“It was when the two of our secret gate blinded those cameras.”

So, who was that person? We want to go there? Yeah, I mean, you're being sued for saying this. So I just want to be completely clear. I know clue of not endorsing your position at all. You're being sued by one of the, you know, one of the worst, in my opinion, the worst layer I've ever dealt with in my life. So, which I think we can get into. So, you know, I have no idea if what you're saying is true. I'm not imputing the character of anybody. I'm sure there's another side to it, but I'm interested in the story and this will presumably come out in trial if your ice goes to trial.

So, it will just tell us about your reporting. Like how did you get that figure out who this person was? Exactly. Look, in our reporting about January 6, I've not just obsessed for five and a half years over the pipeline. I've been on the pipe bomb and then been off the pipe bomb and it is in some ways interesting story because like the US government tells us there was a simultaneous bombing of the two party headquarters and it was like super dangerous and it was an active terror and then they never mentioned it again or release any relevant information. So,

“I mean, for four years, I've been wondering and that's why we're having this conversation. So, I'm just interested to how did you go about trying to ascertain the identity of this person.”

So, so this is what was happening at the time. Is that going back to the initial part of our conversation where I learned that there were elements of our department of defense department of war now in the crowd, not knowing what their reasons for being in the crowd were, I have no idea. But I was very curious why in a very small area of the capital on the west side, three people died of heart attacks. So, you had two gentlemen early on, one before the first Leslie that was ever fired, one that a lot of people have claimed were murdered by capital police and was hit, they say we sit by less than lethal, no he wasn't.

We've seen the video from every angle, he was never struck by less lethal device or launcher.

And then the third one was Rose Ann Boylan, near the tunnel. Three people dying of heart attacks within 50 yards of each other at any event ever in the history of the world has never happened. So, I'm very curious about this. I know that that particular element, our unit of our armed forces, has a weapon, it's called an agitation weapon. It is a directed energy weapon, backpack size. We just learned a lot about that from the invasion down in Venezuela, the discombobulator that the president called it, the discombobulator weapon.

I learned that one of its uses was, it can make people go nuts in a crowd in a color revolution. A three star general retired from socom that I interviewed special operations command.

“Correct, told me, "Yes, that weapon exists." And I quote, "With it, we can stop your heart, we can make you shit your pants."”

But I wouldn't need that weapon to start January 6. I would just need 4/5 of my best men. That's exact quote. I interviewed members of that unit about the weapon. I have interviewed former secretary of the army about the weapon. All have verified its existence and its quote-unquote prolific use within our special operators community. And I started looking for backpacks in the crowd. I know what the shape is. I know what the design is. I've interviewed two people that are participated in the design of that weapon.

One of them is a doctor, the one is a special operator who essentially assisted DARPA in the design of how to how to make it field worthy out in the field. And so I started looking for it in the crowd. I mean, my team, we're looking at backpacks everywhere. Well, one of the most interesting backpacks that day was worn by a small handful of capital police officers that were up on the upper terrace that early early on before the crowd had gotten violent.

“I started launching less lethal into the crowd. And they were wearing, so they've got their, they're black uniforms on, but they've got military colored backpacks on.”

So we start zooming in on them in the cameras. And we got totally distracted about the looking for directed energy weapon because what we found was is that this team of less lethal officers were illegally firing into the crowd. They were firing their weapons against policy against the law against their own training. And in fact, some of them were training officers in the use of less lethal. And they were using them in what's called a criminally negligent manner. Shooting people in the head in the crowd in the face. They're shooting their own officers in the back of their helmets.

On the front, you can see the pepper pellets go explode off the back of their helmets. So we decided to do a story on the use of less lethal. Got distracted from the directed energy weapon story. And because we now we found all this fresh video. And so we needed to identify these officers. So we're going down the line and we're identifying one, two, three, four. And then there was one officer we couldn't identify. To be honest with you, we didn't know if it was a male or female. But this officer was firing the pepper ball gun that was hitting people in the head.

It's a point blank range, by the way. Very close on. He's not misfires. And I have a sword. One of my earliest sources at the Capitol Police on January 6 investigation was a CDU officer civil disturbance unit of the Capitol Police. And the less lethal team is part of CDU. So I called my source and I then sent him a photograph. Still shot of this officer. And he immediately went, "Oh yeah, that's a Shiny Karkoff."

He said, "Oh, it's a great cop." He said, "She was always a good hang. She was fun to be around. She was a good friend, but it was kind of weird."

He said, "When she left, she left the Capitol Police about six months after January 6. And when she left, she wiped her social media out. She changed her phone numbers and her email. We all lost contact with her. We were friends. We lost contact with her." And he said, "We heard that she might have went to one of the three letter agencies."

“Or he said, "Maybe it was defense intelligence or something, but anyway, that's what we heard."”

And I went, "Oh, okay. So now I have a name."

And so I start looking for this name. Well, it turns out, Ms. Karkoff was the first person to ever testify in the very first January 6 trial.

The trial of Guy Reffitt, in the summer of 22, she's the first person to testify in the very first trial. And she testifies as a less lethal officer who fired at this individual that was being, it was on trial at that time.

The first thing before she faced direct examination from the government is the judge went to a sidebar and told the, both of the attorneys,

“said, "Now you know that there's some underseal aspects about this first witness."”

Yes, Your Honor, yes, Your Honor. You'd be careful when you're questioning. I thought, "Okay, I thought that was interesting." And so then direct examination starts and the prosecution asks her name, spell your name, go through the whole process, they typically do. And one of his first questions was, of course, you know, "Where are you employed now?" And she said, "I still work for the government." He goes, "Oh, you're no longer with capital places. No, I left capital place about six months after January 6."

He said, "Did you leave under good circumstances?" Oh, yes, very good circumstances. In fact, I had already applied for my current position in the government before January 6.

Okay, that's interesting.

Then it's time for cross-examination. The judge hits the button again, calls another sidebar, and he says to the defense attorney, "Don't you go waving Ms. Kirkoff's 302s around this courtroom?"

“That's the FBI investigation forms. That's what a FBI 302 is.”

And now I'm like, "My radar is pinging off the charts." So I have to know who this person is. So I have sources at OD&I. And that's how this whole element of the story comes into it is that I took the information that I had, and I received assistance from OD&I that helped me identify her as a current CIA employee. What does she do at CIA?

What I was told by OD&I is that she was on the equivalent of a dignitary protection type detail,

where she could possibly be accompanying director Racklift and other dignitaries around armed. And she protects John Racklift, the director of the CIA. I'm just telling you that her job's description, as it was related to me by OD&I, was that she was on that detail. And she could be one of the people that protect Racklift. That's crazy.

That's what I learned.

“John Racklift being the former congressman and current CIA director.”

Correct. So now we're full into this and I'm doing everything I can. Now we find videos of her college career as a world class. You know, all American athlete, soccer player. And I learned that she had a career ending injury. Well, not career.

It was her college career ending injury in her fourth year, fourth season. She broke her tibia in half on her right leg and again. And then we found videos after recovery and therapy. She played a year of minor league ball for Columbus Eagles. And I see her walking across the field.

And she's dragging her right leg in a manner that would be typical for somebody with that exact injury. What they call a circumduction move, where the dragging the right foot. Yep. It comes around the left foot. And I've seen more of the pipe popper video than anybody.

And I've seen it over and over and over and over again. I watched my that 20 minutes of video of spent dozens and dozens of hours watching it. And I went, you've got to be kidding me. And so then I took, so you hadn't had that in mind. You hadn't thought, no, I was investigating the illegal improper use of less lethal weapons used against the January 6th crowd.

And you find out that one of the people you believe was using these weapons illegally winds up at CIA to which she had applied before January 6th. But now she's at CIA in some protective role, potentially protecting the director of central intelligence, John Ratcliffe. I mean, I, you know, it's hard even to know what to say about all of those connections. And then as you're watching video of this person, you say to yourself, oh my gosh, I recognize that gate, that distinctive gate produced by an injury.

Yeah. Super complicated in that. No, that's fine. I'm glad I asked you the question. I have no mouse against Johnny Kirkoff.

As I said before, I think that she believed she was involved in a training exercise.

And it sounds like,

I mean, it sounds like you didn't go into this imagining you would conclude that.

No. And then what we did because of this evidence, we started looking at her as a capital police officer. And we found two and a half hours ish of video of Miss Kirkoff as a capital police officer from the capital CCTV video archives from January 5th and January 6th. We have her running all over the capital in both days, the fifth and the sixth as a police officer. So we have tons of a video of her and she has that gate.

So is there any way to, I mean, you know, there's all kinds of biometric software.

“Is there a way to, you know, bring science to bear on this question?”

Well, that's what we did.

So I took it to source of mine within the intelligence community who I've not named and will not name. Ever. This source can come forward if they desire to at any point in this defamation trial. If they choose to come forward, but I will not out them. And this in this source is a, let's just say 30 year career in the community.

An expert in gate recognition and also an engineer in the technology. And this person ran the gate recognition for me.

Came back to me with a 94% hit.

So I turned over as much video of the hooded January 5th pipe bomber and Miss Kirkoff's footage, both as a soccer player and as a capital police officer. The, the software came back with a 94% hit. But the expert analysis human analysis was 98% match.

“So when I'm asked, how sure am I that she's the bomber?”

I'm 94 to 98%. So part of my ignorance is gate recognition software commonly used by in teller investor or block prescriptions. As a matter of fact, FBI used gate recognition technology to exclude a January 6th pipe bomber. They had as one of their persons of interest, a gem owner over in Virginia across the river who had, believe it or not, an odd gate. But more importantly had a receipt for having purchased the identical type of rare Nike collectible shoe that the bomber was wearing.

That the bomber was wearing that night Nike airmax speed turf 2018 edition is what the bomber was wearing in a very specific color scheme gray gold and black. And he had a receipt for having purchased this. So they ran gate recognition on him and eliminated him as a suspect. They ran gate recognition on the Guthrie case just recently. He had Savannah Guthrie's mother, they used gate recognition on that suspect.

Gate recognition in courts had been used for hundreds of years, hundreds of years. I mean, you can, it's in many cases it's more accurate than a facial recognition or a fingerprint because you can get it from a distance.

“And that's what's so valuable about gate recognition.”

So are you the, I mean, the FBI was doing or claiming to do an investigation into these pipe bombings for a long time. Right. Did they ever talk to her was she ever did she ever come up as a suspect in the same? So when I discovered all of this, I took this information to my sources at OD and I and all Hillbrokeless. So following the law, following procedure, tells you how to special group called the dig.

Yeah, director's initiative group. Which was shut down and dissolved because of this story. Yeah, by by CIA, by CIA, of course. The people that worked in the dig that assisted in this story and looked at the evidence were demanded by CIA to come in to Langley for four hour sit down interviews and polygraphs. And they told them, you know, bite me.

It's like you forget that OD and I, we over see you, it's not the other way around. And they did a point of one of the things that dig was doing is looking into mysteries. In which the, you know, federal government had the documents necessary documents to show what actually happened in a bunch of different stories. Right. Yeah, I, you know, I had taken, because I believe it was a possible public corruption issue.

Nobody in the intelligence community trusted the FBI. And I'm sorry. I'm, I'm sorry to all the, that is, I can verify that from supporters out there.

And in fact, people in the government will always tell you that the FBI kind of gets a pass.

“CIA gets a lot of attention for being evil and killing people and all the stuff, but like in real life you're afraid of the FBI.”

Yeah, because they're the ones that can harm you domestically. That's right. Yeah, people are afraid of the FBI. That's absolutely true. Right. So that's why I took it to OD and I.

FBI would have been the, the natural people to go to with this, but I've been through this. I've taken a public corruption issue. The director of National Intelligence. Correct. Right. Right. So that'd be Tulsi Gabbard and so recently. And I took it directly to the dig.

The director's initiative group within the FBI. And I took this name of this person.

“Actually, they, they, as I said, they were the ones that discovered that what her job was at CIA.”

And then they drafted a memo. No, this was just a draft memo.

It had never been complete.

Still had the yellow, you know, markings on the memo had not been approved for distribution. But the deputy director of OD and I. I call it a leak. It's, it's, it's, you know, that it was a pass along to the deputy director, Ellis of CIA. Before the draft memo was complete.

This was done before our story about Miss Kirkoff was published on November 8th of last year. So this draft memo was being circulated. It was given from the deputy director, Tulsi's deputy director to deputy director of CIA, who gave it to FBI, who gave it to the White House and leaked it to the press. The White House had it the day before our story came out.

Miss Kirkoff's partner gets a call from the FBI and said, Oh, we're going to raid your house tomorrow morning.

Now, they got a 12 hour advanced notice that their house was going to be raided. That's not standard operating procedure, by the way. So on the morning Friday morning, November 7th, FBI shows up in there there all day. Now, I have no idea that the FBI's raiding Miss Kirkoff's house, but what I learned was from one of my capital police sources.

It was about one or two o'clock in the afternoon, Hey, your girls, her house is being raided right now. And so we sent our, I was still with the blaze at the time. And so our acting editor and chief at the time, Chris Bedford, lived in Alexandria, where Kirkoff lives. And so on his way home, he drove past the house.

And sure enough, they're all out there, got uniformed and plainclose individuals, local cops, FBI are all milling around that house. This is day before our story came out. That night, Miss Kirkoff at 8 p.m. by a very high ranking FBI individual who I still don't know who it is, but our attorneys know who it is through discovery that I've not seen yet.

I've been told her that we need you to come in for polygraph. And what they told her was that, look, it's going to, you're going to spend more time in the drive, downtown, you know, the FBI of course, and the drive back then you're going to, you know, spend being interviewed. Well, that wasn't true. She ended up being interviewed in polygraph for four hours, didn't get back home until after midnight.

But what we then learned months later was that she failed that polygraph. Not only did she fail the polygraph, she was had managed by the polygraph or the examiner, had managed for her rehearsed answers to the questions. And the questions pertain to the Pypomic.

“Directly, the questions were, or did you plan to do that?”

How do you know that she failed the polygraph? It, so in the Brian Cole Junior case, you know, you asked earlier, how did Brian, how did this investigation suddenly get ignited again? Five days after I named Ms. Kirkoff as the potential bomber based on forensic science, gate recognition technology.

Suddenly outside of Brian Cole Junior's house in Woodbridge, Virginia is a FBI surveillance team. One day's after. After five years, nothing, five days after there's a fatalist team on his house. He was then arrested a month later, charged with the crime on Dan Bungino's birthday. They did the dog and pony show, you know, press conference where, you know,

Bondi and Janine Piro and Cash Patel and Dan Bungino all made their statements and their speeches about this Brian Cole Junior. Who is he? He is a autistic black man.

He was 25 years old on January 5th and 6th of 2021.

It's 30 years old now.

“And he famously, because of his autism and his extreme OCD,”

he famously walked his dog two or three times a day around the neighborhood. His neighbors, including an FBI whistleblower, still an employee of the FBI, says, "Hey, him." He walks nothing like the bomber. He has a very interesting gate.

I can go through the forensics with you till the cows come home, Tucker. Just very, very briefly, and then I'm going to give you the blockbuster. It's just, you know, when I'm sorry to say this, but when Cordmire's wife, Barry Pinchon Meyer, who had had an affair with President Kennedy, was murdered on the top half in Georgetown, right near where I grew up.

By CIA, it was obvious. It's very clear what happened now.

But then, at the time, and she was a well-known person in Georgetown in 1962 or whatever,

they arrested an autistic black guy. [laughs] What about the black laughing? This is like horrible. Yeah. And they put him on trial. He was acquitted by a DC jury. But it's the same.

I mean, that's, I'm not, you know, whatever. No, I know. I've heard this story before. Here's, here's the artistic black guy. Right.

So bad. Here's a really interesting side note to this story. So you had the evening of the arrest, the press conference, from all the Muckity Mucks.

“Mm-hmm. DOJ and FBI. Now, six months ago, you know who has never mentioned it?”

Yet, during the campaign, it was a top three priority of this administration.

The president, the president never padded cash and down on the ass and said, "Araboy."

He's never mentioned it. Nobody in the White House has ever commented on it. And our sources in the White House is nobody in the White House buys this arrest. Well, I can confirm that. Which is why I'm talking to you. Yeah. Come on now.

Um, but I also don't, you know, I don't know. I mean, just, you know, I don't know anything, which is why I'm grateful you're here. So, okay, so you write a piece saying that it looks like this Kurchoff woman could be the person her date. Her gate is basically identical. Yes.

She means while works in a protective capacity, it's a possibility for the director himself. Crazy, crazy town. Um, what is her response to it? She denies it. Well, you know, one of one of the things that I've been criticized greatly over in

“me and my, my team and my writing partner, Johanna, and is that we never reached out to”

Procomment to Miss Karkoff. Let's not true. I tried reaching out to somebody who's an employee of the CIA. Yeah, I have her background, her background has been scrubbed. Now, I did find her address. We found that.

I could have knocked on her door. I didn't do it. Same on me, okay. So, I should have gotten, I should have, I should have, could have knocked on her door. Um, we contacted everybody else.

In nine o'clock the next morning. So, our, our story comes out on a Saturday morning. Nine o'clock on Sunday morning, November 9th at 9 a.m. I'm in a hotel in DC and I get a call from the Frick and CIA. It's the chief, um, public fairs officer at CI calls me at 9 a.m.

From home with a crying baby in her arm. I can hear the baby crying. She's going to excuse me. She goes, look, I'm just calling you to let you know that you got one aspect of your story wrong. I want, okay, we're right. Great. What, what one aspect that I get wrong?

She said you've got Miss Karkoff's job description wrong. Now, the job description that I published, I didn't make up. That was what Odin I who has access to the entire intelligence community database read off to me and told me what her job was. But instead, she said, no, she's just a security officer at

Langley on the campus. That's all she is, security officer, Langley. And so, we corrected the story. I mean, we didn't correct it. We just made, you know, but she didn't say Our employees was not the pipe bomber.

No, nothing like that. She just said, she actually even said, She said, I just don't, I don't want that one little thing to take away from the veracity of your story. She said that. And thank you. So I notified my editors. They made the note, you know, to the story.

And then everything continued to blow up. Now, fast forward six months later. And I have sat down with for many, many hours. A current existing CIA employee who also also become a whistleblower. But he still has his job.

And he has held Miss Kirkoff's files in his hands. And he said, that Sunday morning call that you got,

That's a lie.

“And he goes, you know that's what we do for a living, right?”

We lie. Yeah. I said, yeah. I understand. So, what did FBI say about this? Did you call Dambungino or Cash Patel to ask, there of you? Well, you know, I have reached out to Bungino in many occasions.

And this is part of the story is, is that in my reporting about the new FBI,

I've been very critical of them, especially after their abandonment of the whistleblowers.

Because that was one of Patel's promises was that they were going to make the whistleblowers whole. That was one of Bungino's promises. They were going to make the whistleblowers. And we're talking about the whistleblowers that had whistleblown about the COVID regime, about the mandates related to that, about January 6.

You know, the guys that were told to go out and swat raid grandma's, you know, for misdemeanor offenses, something the FBI had never done. And it's under your career, you know, history of the agency, the Bureau. And so, I'd become very critical. And five times that I know of, and I only know this because the executives

if the blaze related to me, five times individuals from the seventh floor of the FBI, the Hoover Building, called my bosses to try to get me fired at the blaze. What? Yes. Who do you know who called from FBI? And Bungino called twice. He was the first one that I was trying to get you fired. Yeah. First of all, to complain, then it escalated from there.

Did he call you? No, no. No, no, Bungino, and I, Bungino gets my DMs because he told my bosses that he reads my DMs. That's why I know he gets them.

And he famously blocks people on his, you know, ex-account. He's never blocked me.

But he's criticized me. He's the one who told Thomas Massey that he would personally write to check for the defamation lawsuit from Johnny Cargoff.

“How did Dan go so quickly from a critic of the deep state to its most aggressive defender?”

What happened to Dan do you think? You know, I don't know, but I can tell you that in February of 24, that in it still on Dan's ex-page, you can go there. February 24, he is singing my praises. He goes, "That Baker guy at the blaze. He is just knocking it out of the park about the fight bomb." Because we were releasing videos back then and nobody had ever seen.

Like, you know, the destruction of the bomb by the robot. People, the fact that investigative cameras have been turned away from the site. We, we, we, we not only found that the cameras had been turned away. We found the act of them being turned away from the investigation scene. And we were releasing all these videos back then. And he's singing my praises.

Well, he's complete opposite now. I don't know, you know, look, I can speculate as much as anybody. He, it feels like, looks like he had a breakdown of some sort. He's terrified. That's obvious. Um, I don't know why.

I don't know any more than that. I know having had a lot of contact with Dan Bungee. You know, he turned on a dime. You know, something happened to him at FBI that just broke him as a man, destroyed his life. And certainly destroyed his career. And I feel sorry for him, but I, I just find it interesting that he was your, like, greatest opponent.

We were just trying to find out what happened. Yeah, he tried to get, he tried to call me off of my reporting on the whistleblower situation. And then, uh, as we were getting closer to this story, he called. So the first person he called was the president of the blaze. And that was in the summer, uh, before I even knew who Kirk Op was.

And then later, he called, uh, my editor-in-chief. And then Ben Williamson, the assistant, uh, personal, uh,

“I think, uh, personal affairs officer, uh, in the 7th floor of FBI, he called my editor-in-chief.”

Both Bungee and O, and Williamson agreed that Bungee and O would sit down with me and let me show him the evidence we had developed on the pipeline.

Yeah, which he never did.

Yeah. And I sent him many messages trying to execute that, that opportunity that sit down. Never happened. And then, why wouldn't he want to see that? I wonder. I don't know.

He made, you know, he famously criticized Massey, you know, and it's tirade. He went on like a, you know, four day tirade against Massey. And one of the things he was criticizing Massey for is that Massey wouldn't accept his invitation to come down to the Hoover building and see their evidence against Brian Ramon. No, Dan is working to cover up, right, you know, the activities of the permanent government. It's just, I, I just have never seen anyone change that much or be that afraid.

I mean, he was going to have a hard attack. He was so afraid. And I, I'm not saying that to attack him, but I just wish I knew what happened to him. You haven't heard. No, I know that you know the jokes. I was talking about specifics.

But what I, what I do know is that he made two calls to my bosses. Then Williamson made one call, Marshall Yates, who was the congressional liaison to the FBI. Formerly, General Council staffer for Thomas Massey. Before he went to FBI, he called my bosses and he definitely was trying to get me fired. Marshall called White House. He, I mean, he, he called Congress members.

“He did a media sources, everything they could to try and, and what was your crime again?”

My crime was reporting on Kirk Off. And I allegedly was the person that received leaks of both files and technologies from Joe Kent. The Director of National Counterterrorism. Did you? No.

I mean, not, not, in fact, in fact, before before, I left the blaze the week before. I got a call from Daily Wire, reported Daily Wire. He said, hey, I'm calling the comment from you on a story that I've got. It's okay. Hit me. He said, I have three different sources from the intelligence community who say you were the recipient of leaks from Joe Kent.

And I just bust about laughing in his face.

I said, well, first of all, who are the three sources?

I can't tell you that. I said, you have three people from the IC telling you that I received technology and leaks from Joe Kent. Yes, that's what I have.

“15 minutes, I just went off on him and he finally went, okay, okay, okay, I believe you.”

I believe you. And then they didn't publish story. Yeah. But everybody else did. Reuters did. You know, New York Times, everybody else published stories about it.

So what was Kirk Off's response to your piece? I was through attorneys.

I mean, she has never spoken herself until, guess what, she got.

She got the ray apps treatment from New York Times. And they did the full puff piece on her. They made her into the sympathetic figure that I had defamed and falsely accused of being the bomber. And that reporter called me.

“And I did an hour and a half, the first session and 30 minutes of follow-up with that reporter.”

I went through everything. That reporter had no idea that she had flown, you know, the polygraph. I went through tons of evidence and information that we have. And so what was her, what's I read somewhere that she said. There's video of me with my dog or my puppy during the hours in question with it.

So for planted again, we have three sources from the FBI who called CBS. And it's told CBS news that they had an alibi video of Miss Kirk Off on the evening of January 5. While the bomber is running around at R&C and DNC is that she is home. They're called playing with her puppies. Okay.

The same three sources from the FBI who allegedly leaked that to CBS would also have known at the same time the same day that she flunked the polygraph and they conveniently left that out of the story. Have you seen this video? No, it doesn't exist as far as we know because it has been under. They have, they have, they have, they have, the attorneys for Brian Cole Jr.

have requested it under discovery and it's never been turned over.

But Claire Locke has changed the story twice now. Claire Locke is the most feared defamation law firm in the world probably. They famously represented the voting machine company against Fox and many other high profile cases. Not only did they change the story about the puppy videos twice now because the CBS version of the story was that she was home playing with her puppies three FBI sources.

Right? Then I received the blaze received in my partner, Jo Hanuman received the demand and preservation letter from Claire Locke prior to the lawsuit being filed. And in the preservation letter, they changed the story to the video shows her at home caring for her dog, singer. Now, that may not seem like a significant change except for one big reason. Immediately after the story came out that she was home playing with her puppies,

what they didn't know is that we had done a dark web scrape of, we found her old social media stuff. And in that, we found where she and her partner had adopted an adult greyhound down in Florida. And brought it home one month before January 6th. And we also found the five star review that Miss Kirkoff had given her dog set her dog walker. And again, reference is only the one dog, the one adult dog by name.

And they didn't know that we had been able to find these things. And so as soon as that came out, even though I was under a gag order now from the blaze,

So suddenly they were embarrassed that it wasn't puppies and three FBI sources, right?

“These are not people that are going to get wrong between puppies and a dog.”

So it goes from she was playing with her puppies to caring for her dog. And then the lawsuit comes out and the lawsuit says, well, okay, it wasn't either one of those things. There's a video of the dog sleeping on the couch. And you can hear her voice in the background off camera. And we've only ever seen a screenshot of the dog on the couch, but nobody has seen the video.

Meanwhile, there are a bunch of news stories attacking you for imputing her character when there's video evidence proving her innocence, but it turns out to be a little bit more complicated than that. It's much more complicated than that.

First of all, Brian Cole is not the bomber.

Brian Cole cannot be the bomber. We have -- we've made famous by his pseudonym, his name is Armitas. And he is also an individual on the spectrum, highly motivated on the pipe bomb story. He and I met a couple of years ago through this story.

“And then he began working with our team on the video examination.”

And he's obsessed with this. And one of the things that he has been able to discover, and I love his quote, is he says that Brian Cole Jr.'s body is his alibi. We know, because I've been on my hands in these, inside Rumsie Court, measured the bricks in the alleyway behind the R&C. We have a clear shot of the shoe, the foot that the hooded bomber is wearing. The heel is on the line of a brick.

That shoe crosses the first brick, the second brick, and less than half of the third brick.

That's a nine to a nine and a half at the most of that particular shoe.

And why do I know that? It's because I've purchased three pairs of that Nike Airmax Speed Turf shoe. I purchased a nine and a half, ten and a half, and a 12. Why did I purchase a 12? Because Brian Cole Jr. wears 12.

Brian Cole Jr. By his mother's own statement, could not. I showed his mother the nine and a half of that shoe. She goes, "Bringing squeeze in his big fat foot in that shoe. I have held Brian Cole's shoes in my hands. He was all of his shoes are size 12." So why did he confess, though?

As I mentioned earlier, the demographic known for giving the highest rate of false confessions to law enforcement are autistic individuals. They had him in an interrogation for two hours with no attorney present. An autistic, they've just scooped him off the street. He was walking his dog. He was walking to the 7/11, not the dog had just recently passed away.

He was walking to the 7/11 down the front of his neighborhood. The FBI scooped him up off the street, arrested him, took him in, put him under interrogation. This is on a highly OCD kid with, I mean, he's five minutes of water. That's who he is.

Okay. Very smart, very bright. But very much a creature of habit and routine. Does he have some political motive? What are they saying moved him to do this?

The thing is that is in his confession that he had taken his cues from the Irish troubles. I'm sorry. That's in reaction. Yes. The Irish troubles was where he was motivated.

And he says, or they say that he said in the confession, that he hated both the left and the right. He hated both parties.

“That's why he planted the devices at the R&C and the DNC.”

There's one problem with that. Is that there were two other potential drop sites because we know from the video evidence that one of those sites was the Congressional Black Caucus Institute and the bomber changed their mind. Another site was an actual housing unit that houses congressmembers and congress staff members.

Those were the two other locations where the bomber stopped and chose not to. And then eventually settled on the DNC and the R&C. As I said, there's so many details and they're all running through my mind.

But I want to give you something that we've never released before.

And I got permission from the attorneys to give this to you. This was something that Armatoss, our video examiner, found, is after thousands of hours of watching these videos of the bomber.

For the first time, because this kid, our guy, he watches, you know, the first time he watches a pixel set.

“Then the next time he watches another pixel set.”

He's that obsessed with the videos. But that obsession led him to finally see a smartwatch flash on the bomber's wrist. This is after years of watching the same video over and over again. I said, "The smartwatch flashes." This is the January 5th hoodie pipe bomber and flashes again.

He tells us about it. So me and now my whole team, we go all, all of us go all in back to the videos again. And suddenly, what we thought were arm stretches and, you know, other motions that the bomber was just making during the stroll. The bomber's talking into their wrist.

At least five times that we can count. It's one problem with that.

His brancel junior has never owned a watch.

Never worn a watch. Much less acquired a smartwatch and learned to talk into it on the night of the distribution of the pipe bombs. We know that for facts. Is he pleading guilty in this case?

“No, no, in fact, just three or four weeks ago,”

there was a superseding indictment where they jacked it up. Trying to force them into a plea deal. They jacked it up. They charged him with terrorism and planting weapons of mass destruction. Basically, charges that would get him life in prison.

If he was convicted, thinking that they would scare him the family into a plea deal. Because that's because they weren't bombs, even though they weren't bombs. And it doesn't seem like he did it. And he could not, he could not physically have been the person that did it. He's the wrong shoe size, he's the wrong body shape.

He can get recognition till a man from a woman. Absolutely. Well, you know, it can tell the gate and then you can surmise. But, you know, most people that have viewed the videos for years have thought that it was a female.

That's what I thought. Look at it. Right. Right.

“But he's, you talk about a guy who, I wouldn't got video if I'm walking.”

His gate could not be more antithetical to the bombers gate. It's highly, he walks almost like a duck walk with his butt out.

And, you know, he walks, which is typical of an autistic person, you know, placing a heel first.

Yeah, right. And, or toe first. Yeah. But with the feet out like this, whereas the bomber walks like this with a pigeon-toed right foot, circumduction, planting it in front of the left foot.

That's the way the bomber walks. That's the way Shawnee Kirkoff walks. So, what is the, okay. So, now you're being sued. It's, okay.

I'm sorry. I don't want to get ahead. So, uh, Brankwell Junior had, now there's a super, super city indictment threatening him with life in prison trying to get him to plea. Is he going to plea? No.

No.

It's matter of fact, at that exact hearing, status hearing, of the defense attorney's demanded of trial date.

You see, in jail? He's in jail. Oh. He's been held in pre-trial detention. He's in the general population.

I thought for sure that they would have him in isolation for his own benefit. Yeah. No. I don't think his own benefit plays a role in their calculation, but he actually has a cellmate. He has granted access several hours a day to a tablet, so he's able to communicate with his family through the tablet.

He calls all of his family members twice a day on, you know, in a rigid schedule. It's just bunkers that there have to be, I know the people I've spoken to in the federal government believe that he's falsely charged. Yeah. And these are sober. You know, these are real people.

This is not on Twitter. This is real life. And they think he's falsely charged. But it's, there have to be people in federal law enforcement who agree with that. And yet they're going along with it anyway.

Well, they're not. As a matter of fact, there was a new whistleblower that came forward as direct result of this case. The FBI whistleblower that I mentioned earlier, this whistleblower at the I agent lives just down the street from the coal family. This whistleblower has lived in the neighborhood for 10 years. Has seen Brian Cole Jr. walking his dog twice a day, three times a day, him and his wife.

Hundreds, thousands of times over 10 years. He came forward because of this case, I've interviewed the whistleblower. He told me. And I quote, he said, "No body and my shop is buying this arrest." What are they suing you for? Well, defamation.

Right. What are the damages? There's been no stated number yet at all. I mean, to be honest with you, the 127 page lawsuit. I got through 30 pages with my highlighter.

And I had to stop.

In fact, they are making stuff up.

“I mean, making stuff up that doesn't exist.”

And see, I haven't, we haven't gotten to the part where I get to see discovery, where we get to subpoena information. We haven't got there yet. It's all brand new. But the law firm that represents Cole is now representing me. So they have the coal discovery.

I still can't see it. But what they have informed me is that we have nothing to worry about. I want to ask you one last question. It came to my attention several months ago when I was hearing this story from someone

in the, from a couple of people in the US government who are very upset about it.

Not because they're partisans, one way or the other. But because they're human beings who are decent people and believe in justice. Not hurting the innocent.

“That there were people in the government who believed career people,”

including who believe that this was totally crazy. That you were right. That you're the one being defamed. And that Brian Cole has been falsely charged. And one of them worked for the department of Homeland Security.

And is now dead. This is a story that I heard from a couple of different people who are very upset about it. I don't think this has ever been written about in public. No. Are you familiar with what I'm talking about?

And if so, tell me what you know about this. We've, our deeply involved in the investigation. We have not written about it yet because we don't have final conclusions. But if we don't use names and just not. I won't mention his name.

So, you may not know this, but I had a cute heart failure the Sunday before Christmas. The Friday. I didn't know that. The Friday. So this was the Sunday for Christmas.

On Friday. That night, I was in Rumsley Court. On my hands and knees with a tape measure, measuring those bricks. The very bricks that the putty bomber stepped on. I'm measuring that the bricks Saturday morning.

I'm over at the DNC measuring the sidewalk and the pavement there to compare. So we could establish an exactor as close to an exact shoe size as we could of the hooded bomber. At lunchtime on Friday before I did that. I got a call from a member of the intelligence community. Decades. He said, we have to meet. We have to meet now.

It's okay. So we met. He picked a place and I met him there.

The first thing he did is he took my phone away and threw it in his briefcase, which was a fair day cage briefcase.

And then he slid a card across the table. He said, do you know who that is? And I looked at the name on the card. It said, yeah, of course. He grabbed the card back and he said, he was found dead the day before Thanksgiving. Now my last conversation with the name on that card was October 29th. And when I took this case to OD and I, as we said before, because OD and I and the members of the dig who were going to look into this had determined that they didn't trust the FBI either on this case,

especially this case. And so they were going to take it to HSI, Homeland Security Investigations. The relationships that they had is they had a liaison partnership with all of the intelligence.

“That's what the dig is. The dig had reached out to all of the 18 federal intelligence agencies.”

Yeah. And got one of the good guys are two of the good guys from each agency to come and work with them. Not deep status, vetted in that manner. This was an individual who was vetted to not be a deep stator. 19 years career with HSI senior agent over there. They called him in. They briefed him on the entire case, introduced me to him. Then in late October early November, he sat down with a team again of individuals that I will not name. I know who they were and I knew who was at the conference table.

And he briefed them on how he was going to pursue this case. What technology is he was going to use? The other personnel that he was going to bring into this to pursue this case. And as I said, my last conversation with him was on the 29th of October. One of these people that I know of had their last confirmation with him on November 10th.

And then his girlfriend found him dead in his condo on the 26th of November the day before Thanksgiving.

And he said, of course, the rumors obviously that he committed suicide.

And he said, none of us believe it. None of us that knew him and were close to him or friends with him. Believe that this was a suicide. And what are the medical examiner say? Still no report from the medical examiner. We actually on our team was over six seven months ago.

Yeah, we have a member of my, you know, my team who is a retired 25 year FBI vet in a veteran. And he now private investigator who we were tamed and he actually went to the Fairfax County Police Department and spoke to the lead detective on this case. And in that situation, the detective didn't give up anything. Any information whatsoever except that there still was no report from the medical examiner. And that was back in February.

And then more recently, just in the last few days, we have a confirmed there's still no report. We have foiled that information. They've ignored it Fairfax County Police Department has completely ignored us on that FOIA. They allowed to do that. Technically, no, but, you know, they do it all the time.

The law enforcement agencies around D.C. They're famous for that.

“That's why like Judicial Watch has to sue them.”

And then you get, you get the body cams like, you know, Tom Finn just got the body cams from January 6. Five years, five and a half years later. But he had to wait, you know, three years or two years of lawsuits to get certain of these body cams released. And that's just the way they are. They stone wall you until you have to beat them in court.

And so here's what we also know about this because we have done a tremendous amount of investigation ourselves into this HSI's agents' death.

In January, I'm only three weeks after my acute heart failure. And I call it my cardiologist and say, I gotta go to D.C. He's like, I don't want you traveling yet. He said, you're not flying or I said, no, I'm going to drive. He said, alright, be careful. Take it easy, whatever.

I'd be lying at straight to the condo where this individual was found dead. As I get there, I'm pretending like I'm a real estate buyer. I'm pretending like I'm interested in purchasing this condo. As I get there and going through the charade of being, you know, somebody in the market for a house. I walk up on the guy that's moving into the condo where this agent had died.

They've sold it. The house has been sold. So the guy's, he's carrying boxes in. And I said, oh, you're moving into unit blah blah blah. And he said, yeah, he goes, I just closed on it last week.

I said, ah, darn it, you know, I was looking at that. I was here a couple of weeks ago. And he said, yeah, so he said, there's a unit below me. You know, he's, so he took me down there and he showed me another one that was on the market right then.

“And he said, I think it's the same agent.”

So thank you. So we shook hands. And then as we're going, he's going back to the park along to get another load of boxes. And I'm going to my car. I pulled the columbo on him.

And I went, oh, oh, by the way, I got one more question for you. And I walked over to him again. And I said, I heard, when I was here a couple of weeks ago, that there was something weird that happened in that unit. He goes, yeah.

He said, I was told that the previous owner was murdered. I was told he was murdered. And that's an exact quote. I was not expecting to hear that. And he caught me off guard.

I mean, I was like, I, that answer took me off my game. And so I didn't ask the obvious follow-up question was who told you that. Now, I would imagine it was a neighbor. Obviously, there's a death in there, suspicious death. They're going to tape off the scene.

These condos are very close and tightly wrapped around each other. They would have interviewed all of the neighbors for, you know, to see who they heard anything. So anything, all of that would have happened. So I can only imagine and surmise that one of the neighbors,

probably was told by a young cop doing the surveillance that you guys over here was killed or murdered or whatever. We have learned since then that it was a gunshot to the head. And it was his girlfriend that found the body. There's been no publicity.

There's never been anything on the police plotter about this.

The family did not issue an obituary.

“The only thing that I have in my possession of evidence,”

solid evidence of his death, or two things actually, is that the, his body was cremated on December 19th, three weeks later. Before the medical examiner's report,

And so there's a cremation report.

We found that.

“And then we also found the, I was given the internal memo”

that HSI put out to all of their employees, you know, talking about the, you know, their colleague who had passed away suddenly

and that they were going to be a memorial,

you know, get together at a bar for, you know, celebration of life memorial. And then since then,

“I have also through my other sources in the I.C.”

have had questions asked within the Fairfax County Department. They've all been stone walled. They've all been, you know, stiff armed away from this discussion. Nobody will talk to them about it.

And we don't know. So the reason why we've not gone forward with a story about this is there's just way too many things to, you know, their elements missing from this to make a conclusion.

But the bottom line is is the guy within the community

with the power and the investigator authority and the tools and the personnel to investigate this case is dead. That's the facts. What a story.

I appreciate your ticking last time to tell it.

“I think it's important to get it on tape.”

We needed to. Yep. It's like a dead man switch, if you know what I mean? Yeah, I do. Steve Baker, thank you very much in God's speed.

Thank you, Tucker. Thanks for joining us tonight. See you next Wednesday.