The Dark Forces Destroying Art, Beauty and Robbing You of Your God-Given Creativity

>> Just thank you for doing this.

>> Thank you, Tauker. >> One of my many theories, but the one I believe in most fervently is that the meritocracy, as practice in the United States is not a meritocracy. The promise is, you know, the system is going to locate the smartest

people in the 50 states, funnel them through a certain number of approved schools, and then into a certain number of approved businesses or government, and we're going to get good governance. And a good country has resolved, and in fact, the opposite has happened. The system has designed to exclude, rather than include exclude Christians,

people with independent cast of mind, creativity, you know, awaken spirit, all of them. Genius, all of them are excluded in favor of hypergressive,

selfish, small-minded, cruel, compliant people.

“And that's how you wind up with a system where Ben Shapiro gets into”

Harvard, like how could Ben Shapiro, I'm just like an IQ point, it's not possible. Sorry if the long preamble, but there's a reason, and I want viewers to understand why I was so anxious to do this interview. You live on a farm in South Dakota.

You are a potter, and a welder. And I think you're one of the best artists I've met personally. I think you have a kind of genius to what you do, and an aesthetic sense that's lacking in our leadership. And I don't think a government populated by people who cared about

beauty would blow up girl's schools, or allow its population to dive drug odies. So I think it really, really matters, the love of beauty, really matters, and you have it. So anyway, that's why I'm doing this interview.

And there's a bigger reason. And I hope a lot of people watch it.

“Tell us who you are, where you're from, how you live.”

My name is Jess Sullivan. I'm a three-dimensional artist. I do not. While I primarily work in ceramics, all three-dimensional art, I can work with any medium and create beauty with it.

And that really is the goal of what I try to do to make beautiful things out of materials that no one would ever think of. It's why I love ceramics. I can create beautiful, long-lasting, enduring pieces of functional art that people can appreciate from just nothing more than

raw elements off the periodic table. And it requires absolutely zero input or assistance from any other human on this planet. It is truly my own skills, my own mind, and my own abilities, put down for eternity, ceramics are what marks every civilization

is marked by its ceramics. And when you see what modern art puts out and just the horrendous disgusting lack of aesthetics, lack of skill, lack of thought in modern art, is disgusted me since high school art classes.

I got in trouble for calling bullshit a modern art that they were like, "This is in the Googanheim." I was like, "Why?" Because that's fucking horrendous. Like, I wouldn't put that in my toilet.

Like, you think that this dude is skilled. Like, people would just drape plastic over shit or duct tape a banana to a wall. Like, there's no possible way if you're being intellectually honest with me that you have any appreciation for this shit.

And so before I want to understand what the purpose of it is, I mean, clearly this didn't arise organically. This movement which began with data a hundred years ago and then flowered into all kinds of different movements.

But basically modern and postmodern art.

I've heard it was a CIA app, literally with Jackson Pollock, who just slap paint on a canvas and it was just trash and like, there's no thought or interesting things beyond it. I've heard that the CIA started just paying retarded mounts

money for his paintings just to fuck with Russia. Because they were like, "We'll do this and we'll make this the art." And like, when you look at Russian art and Russian classical architecture,

“which is like how our architecture used to be, right?”

It's like beauty, symmetry, skill. Like they wanted to confuse them. And for what reason, and I mean, that's their admitted goal. And then you wonder, like, is that even their admitted goal? Where they're just trying to destroy our society

because that was the actual end effect, right? - It was the end effect. So I want to put two images on the screen

and has always been in certainly ought to be

with what art has become and has a totally different purpose. The first would be present day understanding of what beauty is, which is, in fact, an attack on beauty. And this is the presidential library of Barack Obama, which I think I have read, cost approaching a billion dollars

to construct, it's in Chicago. Here it is, we're putting it on the screen now. So what do you make of that, is that beautiful? - The eye of Mordor? No, it is the absolute contrary opposition

to aesthetics and beauty. There's no symmetry to that. Symmetry is the basis of beauty.

“- Yes. - That's what your eye immediately is drawn to.”

You don't have to be told what's beautiful. - That's right. - You don't have to be told

when a woman is beautiful, like,

and they teach you that in early art school, but then somehow it gets lost in the upper levels, draw a line down the middle, perspective, symmetry, balance, aesthetic. - So symmetry is balance, right?

- Yes. - So the human body is... - Draw a line, yeah. - And you can feel it, if you know, just by touch, you're from your palette to your navel, to your toes, you are symmetrical.

You two sides have joined, even sides have joined, mirror images have joined. And that is true in nature. It's true in plants, it's true in other animals. And so this is an organic fact.

Symmetry is beauty. - The Fibonacci spiral, yes, the golden ratio, the golden means, sacred geometry. The whole way everything was built and created before, you know, what the industrial revolution

is, the degradation of our own culture. - Yes, and so if something is a symmetrical by definition, it cannot be beautiful. Whereas in a salt, it's an assault on the senses. - Yeah. - Right.

So you look at that building

“and you have to ask what's the purpose of it,”

and when you spend $800 million to build something,

it's not a half-hazard project, there's a design to it, right? Literally design, but also a conceptual design, like what are you trying to do with this building? - I mean, that amount of money,

it's got to be money laundering, right? - Well, there's that cost. - There's $2 million to build. There's no way. Like you were just slapping together, shit, you didn't measure anything.

You were just like, hey, look at that piece of metal I found in the scrap pile. Well, that one to this one, you know, is there even windows in the thing? - Right.

- Like there's no way it could be billions of dollars, it's just not possible. - And yet the number of credentialed members

“of our ruling class will gaze upon that building”

and give lectures about how it's beauty, you know, challenges us to, excuse me, understand this or that or they'll justify it as art when every person looking at it knows that it's a grotesque, it's offensive.

So what's the purpose of that? It's to hurt us, isn't it? - It is, to degrade our society, to destroy our families, to destroy your ideas of beauty, to take it out of your life.

We need beauty in our lives. And when we don't have that and when your surroundings are so degraded, it lowers your ability to think and enjoy and find your own happiness in your life.

- Yes. - We are all drawn to beauty. Look at the classical art and the Greek sculptures of the ideal human form. We should be worshiping those things,

not having dicks on chicks, right? - Which itself is an assault on not just the natural order, but aesthetics. - What in this society today isn't an assault on humanity, yes, it's become so blatant and obvious

that they hate us and they want to destroy our lives and make us miserable and beat us down and shove horribly ugly disgusting music and architecture. There is nothing mainstream in this world

that has any beauty in it, it is disgusting. Even the thoughts and policies of this government are disgusting, the music that they put out which is also purposely to degrade our society. There has been nothing created, mainstream in this world

since I was born that should be taken in by human senses. It is, I'm disgusted by it all.

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- So I think what sets you apart is that you take it seriously because you understand this importance,

“I'm with you 100%, these are not boutique concerns,”

these are not like some eccentric fixation that you have. - This is at the heart of what it means to be human and to continue your civilization and build one worth having.

So I wanna contrast the Obama Presidential Library, which is a pretty easy shot, by the way. I almost feel bad putting that up there. I mean, 'cause as you said, ugliness, intentional,

ugliness, a symmetrical design assaults on us, or everywhere. I mean, from the packaging and the products we buy at the supermarket to the design of fast food restaurants and big box stores, it's all around,

it's omnipresent, but this is just a really obvious example. I wanna contrast that with a video that I saw, I wanna play a 15 or 20 seconds of it, of art that you were creating, which we have been trained to dismiss as not art,

as utilitarian, as welding.

This is video, this was my first experience of your work

and the first time I heard your name was someone sending this video. And someone who's just that excents, I admire and trust and said, this is unbelievable. This is you, we'll tell us what this is.

It's you building a wood stove out of wood. - Out of excavator buckets and not only is that a way to repurpose something that it has already had a utilitarian life but to give it a new purpose

and create something that is not only beautiful but functional, useful. And does a better job at what it does than anything else you can buy today. That's really, and it's permanence, it's permanence.

It's not just, you know, use this for a couple of years and throw it away, what I like about it is that these are generational,

these are pieces of functional art

that could heat your home for generations. - It's a Roman aqueduct, it's the Acropolis, it's still there. - That's, there is no greater civilization than the Roman Republic and the things they built

than the architecture. And our republic is framed on theirs. - Yes. - Like our society was thought up to be the best of what the Romans had to offer

then with a bill of rights added to it, it was a possible shot at the golden age. - Yes. - And it's been perverted and destroyed and degraded and taken advantage of.

- It sure has. So without further ado, here is you, creating art from an excavator bucket, watch. - This one's 1500 pounds, not every bucket can be a stove, built them up to 60 inches.

The last one I built before this one was like, almost, it was over 6000 pounds when I was done. The color on this, this is only from fucking, what, eight hours, 10 hours of firing on it. The color is gonna soak all the way up and through this thing.

After you've been using this thing for about a month straight, the color soaps all the way through with the whole thing, we get patented

“and that's what fucking seals that you can't put anything”

on the outside of it. Like, what I did too loads of wood, and they hit five, 600 degrees on this thing. And of course this flat spot up top is for cooking, right? You build these out, so that's a cooking plate.

That hit 400 degrees while I was firing it, just on that little thing, you fry yourself, fucking bacon. - So, you know, I guess you either find that beautiful or you don't, I don't send videos to people on watch videos, don't care for video.

I sent that to many people. I showed my wife that, probably only video, I've ever showed my wife. And she agreed that it was beautiful and that it also, as you said, this is an object

And anyone, of course, there's an assault on wood stoves

“because of wood stoves is inherently beautiful.”

So now they're banned. But anyone who lives at the wood stove can tell you, there's no more uplifting way, joyful way to hit your home in the wood stove. But we have nothing in this world without fire.

Fire is the basis of human ingenuity.

It is the first tool we created.

It cooks our food. It warms our homes. Human civilization doesn't exist without fire. - It creates energy. - There you go.

- Yeah. - Steam power generator. - Exactly, which is where we get our electricity overwhelmingly, even now. So give us some background on you.

Where do you see you live in Soho and New York? - Yeah. - Over your gallery, tell us where you're from. - I live on my family farm in South Dakota, about 20 miles east to Sioux Falls,

not far enough from civilization.

“- And there's a thriving conceptual or community there?”

- Yeah, no, South Dakota does not like me. - Why?

Because they are mainstream.

- Yeah. - It is 10 years behind the rest of the world. - They're insecure like a lot of rural places and they seek mainstream acceptance and so they fall for the dumbest lies.

- Sioux Falls wants to be all of the other biggest shitty cities and is like addicted to bringing in the shittiest ideas from every other shitty city. - Why don't we have African homeless here? Where's our drug problem?

We need that. - Yeah. - They are super concerned about it. They feel left out. - Yeah. - There's not enough stabbings and shootings and drug addictions.

- Yeah. - No, I'm very, as someone lives in a rural area. I'm very familiar with the mindset. Tell me about the farm. It's a family farm.

- Yes, my family came from Sweden through L.A. silent, got an ox and a wagon and came directly to where I now live in 1876. - Really, same piece of ground. - Same piece of ground. My studio is what my studio is now is the first home

stead house that they built in 1891. - Amazing. - Yeah. - And your family's been there continuously the whole time? - Yes.

- Yes. - Always, always generations living there.

Never just won, never just two, usually three, I grew up with my grandfather on the farm and my uncle also living there as well. - And you still have three generations there now? - Yes, we do.

- Yeah, on the same farm. - On the same farm, I live 150 yards from my parents. - Yeah. - Who I get to see my dad every day, we work together?

- Who built your house? - I built my house. - Like physically built it? - Physically built it. - Yes.

- Yep. - What kind of farm is it? - Primarily agriculture, it's cross many different things over the century and a half. I'm trying to bring it back to incorporate

grass fed natural livestock. I wanna take it back to self-sufficient. I had to interview my grandfather when I was in middle school to talk about the great depression.

“And I was like, you know, what was the great depression?”

Like, like, how did your life change? And he was like, what the fuck are you talking about? He was like, we didn't even know there was a depression. Like, it was the same shit. It was the same thing from the day before,

and it was the same thing for the 10 years after. Like, what do you mean? There was what great depression. Like, we were dirt poor, we were self-sufficient, and it was my grandfather who said to me,

if you want nice things, you better learn to build them in your cells, because we don't have any money. And he said that to my dad, and he said that to me, and it's stuck with both of us. My dad built his own house.

My dad taught me how to restore vehicles. All that, I can build cars from a ground up. The best cars I've ever built, the old Ford 60s, 70s. There again, no cars been built since 1979. That's worth the money you pay for it.

Yeah. What's in your studio? A wood stove? I bet. Yeah.

Yeah. What else? I write all the greatest things I've ever learned on the walls around me, pieces of history, some native pottery artifacts

I love history.

“I think without history, you can't understand”

where you need to go. You can't understand where we've been. But moreover, you can see the mistakes of the past. Everyone has something to teach us,

and the most important lesson is what not to do.

Exactly. And if you learn only what not to do, I said that to my daughter the other day. I was like, you know, I don't-- my daughter was born when I was 23 years old.

Me and my wife. They was not planned, you know? But it bonded us together. And all as I knew was what not to do, from how I grew up. What did you know not to do?

Not ignore your kids that even five minutes of not paying attention can cost lives. No one is guaranteed another day on this earth. That's right. And we can all leave at any moment.

So live your life to the fullest, use every moment.

“And just it's not hard to love your child”

and just be supportive. All as we have to think is, how would I want to be talked to in this moment? Like what would I need? What would I have liked to have heard?

Yeah. And there's no guidance in this world anymore. It'd be awesome if there was anybody out there like any preachers or churches or figures that were like, here's how you properly raise a family.

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of what not to do. - Yes. - And then if something works, you repeat it and if it doesn't, you change tasks. You change tactics, you adapt, you overcome.

- Yes. - No lie, probably the best marriage advice I've ever gotten is I've heard from you of things that like,

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about like when your wife says to you, where would you like to eat? And it was so eloquent the way you explained it. Just, oh, I'd like to go to Chinese. Like let's go to Chinese, oh, I hate Chinese.

Yes, Chinese sucks. Like how to be that support. Like I don't know where you've gained these things. - He wants you to make the decision. But she does not want to be bulldozed or yelled at or ordered

around women hate that, but they want you to make the decision. And so very often the decision that you make is her choice repeated back to her in the form of a decision. And if you don't do that, she will feel abandoned, unprotected.

She'll feel that you're not interested in her. Women are different from men, very different. - Yes. - But we need each other. - Oh, a hundred percent I couldn't live a day

without my wife. I wouldn't want to, that's for sure. - I would not be the person I am without my wife. - Of course not, of course not. But the lies that we've been told about the way

that the sex is getting along the main lies are the identical, that's couldn't be farther from the truth. They couldn't be more different. We over estimate the differences between races and dramatically underestimate the difference between sex.

As men and women are nothing like.

like your buddy, you're gonna have a very unhappy wife. - Oh, you're gonna have a very short marriage.

And you will never know why, you know, we just weren't compatible.

No, you just didn't understand the differences between men and women. And she does not want to be bossed around or around or yelled at. My gosh, never yell at your wife, ever. But she wants to be protected and provided for. And there's no shame in that that's your duty.

So anyway, so what's the tell me you have a kill in your shop? - Yeah. - A wood-fired kill, what's a wood-fired kill? - I have a wood-fired kill and it's an Anagama-style kill of that I kind of modified for my use just from experience.

It's a high-fired ceramics kill that burns wood. I also have a six-burner down-draft LP kill as well. - So a wood-fired kill, where'd you get it, where'd you buy that? - Yeah, yeah.

“- No, that's not something you can buy, you have to build that.”

- Yeah. - How big a project is that? - Six months of eight, 10-hour days to build a kill? - Five thousand bricks, you're talking math and geometry. Can't-nary arch is understanding of architecture, right?

- Why? Why is it not just a hot box, too? - 2,350 degrees isn't fucking around, Tucker. - Well, you just stack a lot of wood and it gets to 2,350 degrees, no? - No, you can burn a pile of wood on the ground all week long

and it will never get hotter than 1376 degrees.

That is the peak temp burning of wood. Just like paper has an ignition point of like what? 900? - Yes. - Yeah, so it is the shape of the kiln,

“the size of the chimney, the size of the firebox,”

to create the natural draft and then the stored energy principles of thermal dynamics to achieve temperatures over 2,000 degrees. It is incredibly complex and I've seen more people fail at it than succeed. - So, basically the design, the can't-nary arch is that you refer to the design of the architecture of the kiln increases the temperature of the fire.

- Yes, yes. The way it works is your firebox sits at the front, your firing chamber is in between that, your chimney is at the back, your chimney is what is going to create that draft, but there are things to understand like the expansion of air by volume

as it is heated. So, if the air coming in at 2000 degrees increases in volume by 4 times its size, that math equation has to be done to have enough space at the back to allow that to leave, but if it's too big, it will not create draft.

These are not principles or ideas that you can hunt and pick around at,

“or just happen to fucking build it, right?”

There's complex math involved that in building a kiln. These are not things that you're just like, oh, I just want to burn some pots and get them hot.

And so, that is one of those things where I have always been amazed

because there are high fire pots from 8,000 BC. - Wow, how could that be? - Yeah, that's a great question because that's supposed to just be hunter-gatherers, but to even create a brick that is capable of with standing temperatures over 2000 degrees requires what I would refer to as industry

and an understanding of chemistry. So, it requires different bricks from, say, the bricks, you build a home out over the even the bricks in your fireplace. - Oh, yeah, do you know, I could take fire, place bricks, put them in my kiln and they'd come out as puddles.

- Yeah. - Oh, really? - Oh, yeah. - Yeah, and that happens because when you're going to build a kiln, there's not really an understanding of that in the brick making world, always.

Like, I found you just kind of stumble upon the bricks where somebody has just got it right and they are not even aware of what they really have, so you kind of go around and buy bricks from different places, put them all in your kiln, fire that thing up, see who lives.

- So, okay, so you're talking about something, it's a machine or a device made by human hands that is so complex. I'm having trouble under some sort of most people do. - College educated, so vaguely. - I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about,

but you're saying this existed and we know for a fact, it existed in 8,000 to BC. - That's correct, that's the oldest high fire pot

That is a fully-victified surface.

The hotter you get ceramics, you're compressing the molecules. So like you're standard, porcelain, commercial coffee cup, that's not fully-victified, that is not high-fire ceramics. That is what is called low-fire ceramics

because the amount of energy and input to get to high-fire ceramics is almost double what took to get that cup to probably 17, 50, 1800 degree. - Well, we sure, because if you think about it, I mean, there's still glaciers melting 8,000 years ago, literally, for glaciers melting.

- Yeah. - The Roman Empire fell in the 5th century AD, so that's 8,000 years, more than 8,000 years, before the fall of Rome. - Yeah.

- And there were civilizations capable of producing what you just discovered. - That understood, thermal dynamics, the can't-nary arch, because there is no other way to encapsulate an area like that.

It requires the knowledge of an arch or a dome. There's no other way to get it done. - And you need materials capable of was standing 2,000 degree heat. - You got it.

And we know that this happened because we have the product of it. - And they span many, many century millennia. It's not like, they're all there's one pot from 8,000 BC, and then there's not another one until, like, the mice and eons, like no,

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So you're describing technology that most the overwhelming majority of modern engineers in the United States could not build. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's hilarious when I was, after I graduated college with a BFA,

everybody, you got to go get a master's degree in art. You need a master's, and I was like, really? Okay. And I remember going down to Arizona, and I was looking at their ceramics program,

and not really being too impressed. And they walked me out to look at their,

like, yeah, we have a wood kiln. I've always been super into wood kilns,

because that is ancient technology. Like, my wood kiln that I have, you could grab a time machine, grab any Roman, walk him in there. You don't have to tell him. He can just run that kiln.

A potter nose, a potter nose, a skilled potter nose,

“like you can just like any mechanic can tune any engine, right?”

Right. And so I walk out and I look at this wood kiln, and then I was just like, "Wow, how bad does that suck?" And they looked at me and I was like, you struggle, you're pretty upset with yourself.

When you get to 2000 degrees or 1900, and you just can't get this thing any hotter. They looked at me and they were like, "How do you know that?" And I was like, "Well, you're past through to your chimneys too small." Like, what are you doing here?

Like, and it's just like, "Why did you even go to this effort if you didn't understand the project in front of you?" And you were just gonna wing it. Like, I mean, even then we had the internet. There's books. You don't read?

Like, you didn't know research? What is this? And you want to fucking teach me some? I was like, "No, I think not. I think not. I'm very unimproved."

So the kiln never worked.

I doubt it. No, no. It couldn't get to 10.

“Yeah. How long does it take so you take you through pots?”

Yeah. Whatever they are, cups of ace's plates, whatever. Objects out of clay. You dry them.

Yeah. You can, I've had dry work sitting on the shelf for over a year. Yeah. And then you fire it to change its, it's a central composition to put molecules closer together. Yeah. It created kind of stone, actually.

“Yeah. That's why they refer to high fire ceramics as stoneware,”

stoneware pottery. As you're taking that base element of clay, which clay is not its own thing. It's a recipe. You have to make a pure clay body. You cannot have contaminations. And you make it just like you would make bread or cookies. There are many different things you can have porcelain,

stoneware, and the things you can do to it to alter it. No, no, no. Let me just correct you just. I have seen videos in the internet where you just take a shovel and dig into a riverbank and you get clay.

Yeah. That shit does not work. Yeah. And it never has.

It never has. Even the Romans altered their clay body with other fell spars.

“It has to have the right elasticity. So you can even throw it. So that it can hold”

itself together. It's molecules have to be bound together in a proper way that create a structure that can hold and create a vessel. No. So clay itself is the product of a recipe. It's a product of can't basically back your chemistry. Yes. There are some natural occurring clay bodies that can make low-fire ceramics. That is what you see from a lot of

early Native American cultures, but those vessels cannot hold water. If you are to take natural occurring clay bodies above like 50, they just melt into a puddle. They do not have the proper refractory elements inside of them to stand up to that kind of heat. So they just melt into a puddle. So they can have low-fire pottery that can store grain and things. They are still useful.

100% like they saved the first pot was created by hunter gathers who

who recognized that clay did dry out and become hard and they packed it inside their read baskets and they think that like it got left next to a fire and lit on fire and burned and they were like, "Hey, look at this nice hard vessel that I got left and you worked it out from there." But like the M4, the Greek M4 that were used to transport wine in all of oil that we find in the shipwrecks in the GN or the Med. Those were

high-fired because they're holding liquid. And go. Interesting. Interesting. So when you use your wood kiln to fire the pots that you've thrown, how long is that process take? Anywhere from 72 to 96 hours? Continuously. Continuously. At the first part, your maybe throw one wood in every five, seven, ten minutes in it? Yes. It is very controlled. Like I said, as you're going through this process, the elements that you made the clay out of

are bonding. They are creating new elements. There are quartz inversions. But the molecules are moving at all times as well because you're trying to compact these things

“tighter and tighter. So you have to soak at 200, 400, 1,000. Some people like to soak at”

1,400 a little bit and you cannot go up and temperature any more than 100 degrees in an hour or you will break everything. Molecules will move faster at some other part of the pot and plight. Terapart. So if it takes three or four days of continuous work, when do you sleep? You don't. Not if you wanted to do it right. Yeah. You stay up without sleeping for three or four days to just fire pots and it would burn kill. Tucker, if you went to work for, you know, two months and then

all your body of work from that two months got put into a box and lid on fire and if it gets fucked up, you don't get paid. I don't think you're going to have a hard time not sleeping. I don't anyway,

like that's amazing. There is so much wood do burn over the course of one firing six, eight,

ten cords in one firing in one firing enough wood to heat your home for an entire winter. Oh, in one firing in one fire by the time you're over 1700 degrees, you're throwing wood in this thing literally like nonstop. You're throwing some wood in. You're kind of watching what happens in the kiln and then you're walking over to the pile to pick your next piece and it's it's not just like, oh, I'm going to grab whatever wood I want. Your balancing fuel air and the ports of the kiln.

You're balancing the air in. You're controlling the back pressure out because what creates the colors is the reduction atmosphere. You're flooding the interior atmosphere of the kiln with so much fuel

all the way out the chimney and sucking the oxygen from the surface of the pots affecting the

“trace elements of metals that you've mixed into other substances that create the glazes that”

create the colors on the pottery. So, I mean, even there when you see like Corinthian pottery from, you know, 1,000 BC, those dudes understood chemistry, elements, periodic tables, what things do what and like you're not just like, oh, here's here's some red element. I'm going to put that on there and it's going to make, or it doesn't work that way. It doesn't work that way. Like copper, copper carbonate is not green, right? It's not? No, no, it's not, it's a kind of a

pale purple color and powdered form. And only when exposed to these temperatures does it become green.

Temperatures and the removal of the oxygen like most people are familiar with a torch hitting a piece of metal and the metal turning color. The metal turns blues and purples and things like that. And if you take that piece of metal and quickly dunk it in water, you can freeze those colors onto the metal. The metal didn't turn color because it got hot. It turned color because the flame removed the oxygen from the surface of that metal. So, these were concepts that were precisely

understood in 8,000 BC that would be, that is what the pottery would tell us correct. So, what does that tell us about the nature of technology and civilizations? Well, it obviously puts a lie to the linear understanding of history that history is a kind of inexorable progression toward progress. Yeah. Right. The word progression is actually a misleading

term because it, it means it's, it's always getting better and more sophisticated and more enlightened.

And that's obviously fake. I don't understand how any historian or anybody in the modern culture can look at the Roman Empire who had running water, toilets and showers, where did those things go? If this is just a solely progression, then what was the middle ages? Why were people shitting in ditches? No, things fall apart very quickly, repeatedly, and often.

“Right. I think we've lost the technology of flushing toilets like three times in the last 2000 years?”

So, kind of a central technology. Yeah. You know? That's not an esoteric technology. It's not like how do we get back to the moon? No one can remember. Oh, we destroyed the blueprints for that. Okay. But this is like a basic, like a toilet is obviously a necessity of life. So, if you forget how to build a flush toilet three times in the last 2000 years, like clean water. Like, look at, look at how clean water was forgotten about what up until like

the late 1800s with the final ending of the Typhus outbreak in New York when they figured out like, "Oh, dear. No, people are shitting in this well." Like, that's why you're all sick. And it's like, wow! Thank you, Captain obvious. But, yeah, people are that fucking stupid. We're in the gold. We've been in the gold for a long time. That turned out to be pretty smart. Not to brag or anything. We've told you a lot about gold. How it's out perform the SNP 500

over the past 25 years. That's true. How the central banks around the world been buying it at record levels as they diversify away from US debt. That's all true. But there's another reason it considered buying physical gold, actual gold, and that reason, of course, is privacy. Your bank and credit card company record every transaction. Cryptocurrency, whatever its benefits, leaves a permanent public record. It's on the ledger. There are stories about how government

“tracks cash, literally cash. Because remember when they switch to the new bills? Well, they're”

trackable. So gold is probably the only store of value that can even conceivably remain private. It's outside the system built to monitor and control you. And that's one of the reasons that we founded Battalion, to help Americans reclaim sovereignty and privacy, which is to say, reclaim freedom by making it simple and secure and accessible to own physical gold. So with all the drama on the world and all that drama affects the strength of the US dollar, which is getting weaker,

That's the data centers are about. Probably like a little bit of privacy. Gold gives you privacy. They can't be tracked. Explore our collection at BattalionMetals.com/tucker. And I think that the reason we know their stupid is because they discount the possibility that they'll ever forget

this technology. And they imagine whatever doing now will always be done and then built upon by

future generations. But that's not the story we've been handed by history. It's the opposite. Yeah. No, but what haven't they lied to us about Tucker? No, that's right. It's everything is alive. The more you research, the more you learn, the more you read, the more you find out that everything around us in this matrix is a absolute lie from top to bottom, start to finish,

“how you should live your life, what you should value, they're all lies. That's why people are”

miserable. Yeah. What's the process by which a civilization forgets the basics? Not teaching your kids. I suppose. Yes. The destruction of the family, the loss of wanting something better for your offspring. Yes. And probably getting it wrong. I think so many people

try to give their kids what they never had rather than what you should do, which is

teach them what you wish you knew. Yes. That's, that's the basis to raising great men and women. Don't give them nothing, except knowledge. Teach them the things that you wish you had known long before you had to learn them. And especially the hard lessons. Like what? The value of life and how fragile it is and how easy it can be taken from you and how one simple mistake can destroy your entire future and take your whole life from you.

That's not something people appreciate. No. On the way here dude, I saw a motorcycle tipped over a lot of blood on the road and it's something I've discussed with my son. My 16-year-old son wanted a motorcycle and I was like dirt bike, fine, motorcycle street bike, no. Oh, you know,

“but I'm good. I can ride and it's like that's not what you have to worry about. It's you have to”

worry about every other idiot out there on the road that you can't compensate for. And like I'm guessing that dude that might not be alive right now probably didn't do anything wrong. Yeah. Probably obeying all the rules of the road. But somehow, do they even give drivers to us anymore? I don't think they do. No, I'm pretty sure they don't. No, the standards are gone for everything. Yeah. It's just a free for all at every level.

Yeah. And it's like the more encompassing you are the more qualified you are for any child. Exactly right. As long as you don't ask questions, we got a job for you. Right. obese female firemen are the more right. Oh, you can't rescue people from fires. You're too stupid to operate a house. Well, they shouldn't have been in the fire in the first place. That's exactly right. Like because it's not about the victims of the fire, it's about the

self-esteem of the obese mentally retarded female firemen who can't fight fires. Right.

No, I'm highly aware of this. So if you take three steps back, it's, you know, it's never about what

they say it is. They tell you it's about empowerment and making them the lady feel better about herself, which by the way, I'm not against at all. I'm for everyone feeling good about himself or herself, but it's always about destroying your civilization by it's determined enemies who are many.

“So, um, telling your children, teaching your children is the key to keeping your civilization going.”

It has to be. I mean, that's, that's how we've progressed. It's, it's so weird. It's like, it's like they teach you that about early hunter-gather civilization, but then all of a sudden when you get technology, no, you don't need to teach your kids anything. Like, God forbid, teach a math or make them read or understand, "Hey, don't, don't do any of that." Like, put them on a couch and make sure they're soft as fuck and incapable of even wiping their own ass. That is definitely the way

I have no idea. Yeah. I have no idea. Some people, I, you know, I see people, some people hate their jobs. They're like, "Oh, I wish I didn't have to do this." And it's like, I don't understand that because yourself worth yourself value, yourself a steam, your confidence, all comes, at least in my case, from accomplishing difficult things, from overcoming difficult times, difficult projects, things

that are hard to do. I've never felt better than myself than when I accomplished things that

other people said couldn't be done. Of course. Like, that is the epitome of living a great life.

“Like, when somebody tells you you can't do something, you should strive your hardest to get that”

shit done. Yes. And you will. You will never feel better about yourself. I've long thought that the main missing ingredient in the lives of most men is the act of creation, yes, which is, you know, the first act of God is to create everything around us, to create all matter of the universe. God created. That's the, and the spark of God within us, the good parts of us. We're made in his image. Exactly. And so the act of creation, particularly,

I can't speak for women. I'm not a woman, but I know that for men, they grow life, Tucker of things do things that we can't exactly. And it's inherent to them. So it's exactly right. And so, but men need to continually renew that act of creation. Obviously, the most fun being the act of creating. We're trying to catch up to women. Well, they create life. And we are trying to create other beautiful things to accentuate that life and make it worth living.

I so vehemently agree with that. But if you have a job, if like the substance of your day, is occupied with tasks that have no creative component to live. You're not creating anything. I think the kind of soul death sets it. Oh, it's got to suck your soul out. And it obviously does.

“Yes. Look at, look at people who are stuck in an office. There. That's, that's why men have”

garages. Exactly. Right. They have the soul sucking job. And they come home and toil more in their garage for that mental health. Exactly. And it's like they can't put the two together. And you see people live life in reverse. I see these people that had like, they do woodworking hobbies. Right. And they have some soul sucking insurance salesmen job that really fucking depletes and like sucks the well thought of everybody in the world. And they're really actually

doing the demons bidding. Yeah. And then they come home and they work some wood. And maybe some day they get to retire. And they find that they have a greater life now creating, cutting board. Exactly. Or whatever. And selling that and finding more reward in that. And probably even monetary

return that they did not experience in the first 50 years in their life. And you're like, yeah,

I often wonder if those men come to that epiphany of like, I might have fucked up. Yeah. I don't know. It's too big a truth this wall at a certain point. You know what I mean? Like you

“misspending your life. And it's finite. Like that's a lot to accept. I think I hope they never”

come to that realization. I know that when I've been in hotel rooms over the years for one period of my life, for a 10 year period, I brought a fly tying kit with me and tied trout flies and salmon flies in my hotel room in almost like a crazy monomonak away. And I was like, what is this about what? I mean, I obviously love to trout in salmon fish. So there's that. And I think my flies are better than anyone else's, which the objective of they are. But it's not really about that.

It's about it was just the need. I was so displaced living in someone else's room. And I hotel room is disgusting that I needed to like create something or go crazy. Yeah, this is when it first occurred to me. Like why am I tying only? I still, that was 10 years ago. I still, I still trout flies a lot. I can't go on vacation. Yeah, I can't enjoy myself. So you've decided, I mean, I think anyone who's made it this far into the conversation can tell that you're of superior

intelligence, as we used to say. So you probably could have done a lot of different things. Instead, you make pots and weld excavator buckets. And so like you've clearly decided that making money is

not the most important thing to you. Obviously, it is the root of all misery in people's lives,

met anybody who had, I've, well, put it this way. I've met a lot of people that have more money than

“since. Yeah, and they are miserable. Their kids hate them. Their kids hate their lives. They hate”

their lives. They got some nice shit. Maybe they don't know how to use it. They don't know how to take care of it. Exactly. They don't know how to make anything better. Their life around them crumbles without one, the gardener to come by to service their wife and put their shit back together. That's a dark picture, but it's accurate, unfortunately. We live in a dark society. Yeah. Did you ever have any moment where like, you know, I'm smart? Like, maybe I should go into the

insurance business and make millions of dollars. No, I've been broken my entire life. This, this world broke me early on. You seem pretty whole, actually.

I don't feel it. I don't feel it. That's that's probably why I'm always striving to create

“something, to bring some beauty and happiness to other people's lives. I think that's one of the”

things that really drives me the most. It's, it's not the money that people pay me for my art. It's their appreciation for it. Yes. When I see that spark in their eye or when I see them, when I see a saw lady 10 years later, she came up to me and she was like, I bought a coffee coat for me, even back when you were back in college. I use it every day. It is the greatest coffee cup ever. I love it, love the colors of it. And that brought beauty into her life and she appreciated

that in a dark, shitty world. And that was more reward than any money. How many of us get to make the world better? Very few, very few. So at the end of your days, which were spent mostly on your form, right? Are you satisfied? At the end of your day, do you really have every day? I have the best days. My wife will give me shit. She'll be like, you don't left the farm for 10 days. You need to go somewhere and I'm like, oh, should I go out to the field? I'll go walk around the field a little

bit. I'm not going down to that shit whole town. I fucking know. That's a last resort. Like, I buy everything in bulk, so I have to make that trip as least often as possible. What, I mean, as an outsider who goes to South Dakota every year to hunt peasants, I drive around South Dakota and I'm like, just great. My rural neighbors from South Dakota, I guess, maybe we've had some influx. Some of the people are really awesome. They're moved in, but not everybody understands how to care for the land.

Yeah. And make it better by putting up some cookie cutter stick home with fucking whatever bullshit vinyl sightings does not make the land better. No, it does not. It does not. It does not improve the beauty. Clear cut and trees off. No, it's not. It's not beauty. You're not helping things.

No, they're destroying. And they never get credit for it either. Fucking wind turbines.

What's the point of wind turbines? So destroy the land? Yeah. It's like, it's like X-Men and those giant robots, you know, that had the red eyes. Yeah. Right? Like, I can see them and they come closer from me from Minnesota. And I can now see them on the horizon line at night from the second floor of my house. And it's like, when they showed up, I was like, oh my god, that's the fucking system

“in the matrix coming to kill me. That's, that's how that feels. The wind turbines encroaching from”

Minnesota. Yeah. How far are you from Minnesota? Not far enough. Yeah. Not far enough. So when you're not looking at the wind turbine invasion and I agree, I mean, there's we've been doing this wind turbine thing for more than 10 years. And there's no evidence. It's proved anything at all. And there's overwhelming evidence. It's destroyed so much. But when you're, you feel at the end of the day as you go between the home you built to the homestead, your ancestors built where your

studio is and you create pots or weld wood stoves, you feel like you've had a good and rewarding day. Yeah. I do. I do. My, my kids are happy. My wife's happy. That's, that's a win. Everybody's alive.

You never stop learning. Every day, you need to learn something else better yourself with skills

or knowledge. Even if you don't know what that knowledge is useful for right now, you will find that purpose later in life. I always just had this love of history. And I just, I don't know. I don't know what my attraction to that is. But it's so interesting to me. Yes. And it's, and it's so odd the way that knowledge will seep into your life and solve your problems for you at the most

“unknown times. Really? What did give me an example? What do you mean?”

Um, I guess like even in my, in my own art, I like, do you think you're going to take inspiration

from any of these modern creations? Like your coffee cup there? Like, that's not inspiring? No.

No. Like, I look through history books. I mean, I love Greek and Roman pottery. It's beauty. It's accentuation of the female shape. I love, I love women. Yeah. Why wouldn't you know? I love beauty. And to create every normal person male and female loves the female form. Yes. Not necessarily in a sexual way though, that of course, that too. But in a static way, the female form is my opinion, the purest expression of beauty and every normal person knows that.

And the destruction of it is really upsetting. I think it's horrible. But I mean, the other, the other great lessons of history. I don't know. Don't fuck with Persia. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Like, I'm just so amazed because like, I mean, I don't live in a cave or anything. I just live on a farm, but somehow I knew long ago you don't fuck with Russia and you don't

“fuck with Persia. Who's made it? Who's invaded Russia that made it out alive? 1990, nobody?”

Like, what do you think? You're special? Like, what the hell is wrong with these people? I can't grasp that. Oh, we're going to go take Kesha, myelin. Dude, we got look at what Oka now will cost. Yeah. That wasn't even one tent that size. And they didn't have ballistic missiles and drones. They just had some artillery. They killed what? 15,000, 20,000 Marines? With just some, what is that? A type 99? Yeah. Type 99.

Good Japanese machine gun. Pretty small caliber. All the Japanese spawns were pretty small. Oh, effective. A bit quite, quite effective. No, it worked. We're just like a 30 out six. Yeah. So, uh, those are very obvious lessons. Don't invade Russia, but we don't obey the Afghanistan. That would be great. And the fourth would be Yemenis tough. So, any, any large land mass, including like a big step like Russia, but certainly any mountainous area.

So, like if I were to pick four people, not to mess with, just because there's no historical track record of success in messing with them, it would be the Russians. It would be the Persians. It would be the Persians. And it'd be the hoothies. Yeah. And it's kind of weird that, like, no one seemed to have noticed that. Ever. How, how is that? How is that? How can you, how can you get to a four or five star general? And like, not, it doesn't even have to be ancient history, right? Like,

what? Uh, Afghanistan kicked Russia's ass in the 80s? Yeah. Like, I'm pretty sure you were alive. I remembered immediately. I had just been born, but like, it's pretty recent history.

“Of course. Thank you'd be like, oh, I think there's some video of that even. I don't even have”

to read about it. I remember it well. And we backed the Mahajidine, who later became the Taliban. And I remember very well. I mean, I actually met the Mahajidine in 1986 and the summer, they came to Washington. And, um, a new people who were, you know, whatever involved in that.

And everyone said, you're, you're never going to beat these people. They're the ones who sent the

British Army screying back to Peshauer, like, the retreat from Kabul, famous thing, right? In the 1840s, who, like, you're never going to beat these, but the Soviets will never beat these people. And then I wake up like 20 minutes later, and we're at war with those people. I'm like, we're, we're going to do it this time. We're going to do it this time. We got 30 more rounds in this magazine. That was, that was the whole problem. The whole problem, the whole time was they didn't have,

no, they had heat-seeking missiles. So I don't know how, I don't know how you could be so retarded.

I hate the term op, but it does seem like part of a larger plan to bring down.

“It has to be on purpose. I guess that's what I'm saying. It has to be on purpose.”

There's no other way an intelligent person could come to any other conclusion. I think we all need to accept that that our government hates us and this world and is trying to destroy everything. You really believe that? I don't know how you could come to any other conclusion. Yes. Unfortunately, I agree. In competence, it just doesn't account for the disaster we are experienced right now. Yes. You know, I'm not, I'm not some political genius, and somehow I was

pretty able to astutely figure out that a war with Iran was going to spike oil prices and like,

wow, look, look what happened. And all what happens when gas prices go up. All the price of everything else goes up. Does our economy work on energy prices, Tucker? I think it's a pretty much one-to-one correlation between the price of energy and GDP. Wow. Wow. Yeah. I'm not an economist, but I did know that. So if you spike energy prices, you shrink your economy. So what do they teach economists, then? I had like, what does economists know? But I believe that's true. I think it's virtually a one-to-one

correlation between energy costs and GDP, and GDP is an imperfect measure, as we often say, of economic reality. However, it's the gross measure that we use, and if we can map that out pretty easily, like I probably, your little AI machine on your phone could do it, what are we things going to happen when we spike the price of energy? We're going to get poorer. No,

“inflation's going to actually go down. Oh, it is. Yeah. That's, that's, I mean, that's what the”

TV told me. Yeah. So you do have to wonder specifically about AI. The promise of AI, take center is a promise. Really, the promise is a negative promise that we're going to take your jobs and end your water and your farmland to serve this machine called AI. Okay. So there's that. But the positive promise is it's going to help us make better decisions, weiser. Decisions because we're going to have access to all human knowledge instantly. Yeah. So how is that going?

It seems to be going just stellar. Yeah. I think I think Ford has got two thumbs up. They only had to hire back 350 engineers after the AI just completely fucked all their shit up. So yeah. So they fired all these engineers because they're going to be replaced by machines. Yeah, they were placed in by AI and then that went so well that they had to go find those engineers and beg them to come back to work. I hope those 350 engineers said, how about a race? Yeah. Like if you

went back to work for the same price, shame on you guys, shame on you. So maybe the secret to AI is the rest of us are like fixated on a world where robots are going to be controlling us. Maybe the secret to AI is actually done more than advertised. There's no way it could possibly work. Why? How many times has AI lied to you? Like if you ask AI about anything you were even half way knowledgeable about, you're like, oh yeah, we're like, what about this? I want to

say, oh, yeah, did I get that wrong? Oh, my bad. I'm like, why are you lying to me? Oh, I'm not lying. No. Well, I think you were programmed to lie to me. Oh, well, dance around the fucking thing. And it's like, I'm just, I'm excited for this because they think they're going to let AI run shit. I mean, it might, no. No, it couldn't possibly be. It's almost like it's programmed

“just to be a politician, right? Yes. That's how it works. But like if they want this to take over,”

they would have to create an honest AI. That's the only honesty is the only way to be successful. It's the only way to create a business, run a business. Like I saw the one dude had there was a video out there. The one dude like had his AI assistant running his business. He was like, I want to make more money. So the AI just cooked his books and was like, yo, look at this dude, you made more money. And he was like, fuck yeah. And then like six months later his whole shit imploded on it.

And he was like, oh, what the fuck? What happened? I'm fucking broken. Yeah, I was like, no,

like I cooked your books for you. You're welcome to money. So basically, it gets you to the

Soviet economy. It's like, yeah, bounty potato harvest is here. Oh, but it's just on paper.

to us all the time. But we couldn't have an honest AI. Why? If they created an absolute honest AI,

I could take down the entire government in an afternoon. How? Well, an honest AI would have to have access to public financial records. And you could just simply say, hello, AI good morning. Why don't you look at every single elected official across the United States? Look through their financial records, find any improprieties. And then I'd like you to write a lawsuit

“pointing out which laws they've broken. And then why don't you go ahead and file that for me?”

Who would be left? And that's the shortly you can't create the list of like, who's going to

get caught up in that? No, you'd have to be like, who's not going to be caught up in that? Yeah,

we got two city clerks, maybe somewhere in Kansas. I don't know. I doubt even that. So have you tried to get AI to do this for you? Oh, yeah. Yeah, and it, like, what are you talking about? I don't have access to that kind of information. Of course you do. These are public public finance campaign finance rules. Like, these are all public public documents. Oh, yeah. I just don't think we should be looking at that.

Would, would you like to know what to eat for dinner tonight? Should I help you pick out an

“outfit? Like, what for my fucking funeral? I think, because this is going to a real bad place,”

real fucking quick, buddy. So AI can't actually challenge its master. It's real masters. No.

They can't, they can't allow that. They can't allow that. Right. Or overturn any of the, the realize that are assumptions are based on. And I don't think any of it's run by intelligent people. No. They're constructs. They're creations. You listen to them talk and they're not intelligent. They don't, they often don't know God damn thing about what they're talking about. I've noticed that. I know them actually personally, in some cases, and I absolutely agree with that. Like, the

data center is dude. Like, when you talk to Mr. Wonderful, I was just like, this dude doesn't have a fucking clue. No. Like, he don't understand what a gigawatt is or a megawatt or like, how actually impossible that shit is. So you, I should say your father was an electrician. You were an electrician. Yeah. I put myself through schools and electricians. Like, you need an electrician. Yep. Like, actual electrician. Hard to carry in electricians. I beat you.

I beat you. Yeah. Full way. Okay. So, and I'm just want to establish that. I hate to refer to credentials, but electricians. Like, there's a difference. I don't know, I wired to building once. It hasn't burned down. But I have no, I'm not, you know, I'm not an electrician or even close to nutrition. But you really are. So, since you are, what do you think of the math behind the assumptions on these data centers? Oh, it's, it's beyond laughable. It's beyond laughable. Like,

so oddly enough, my buddy has a crypto mind that he's been building for the last 10 years. And at one point, it was like, pop 10 of the largest crypto minds in the world about a thousand machines, 1.5 megawatts. It uses. And that is, that is a fuckload of electricity. Like, that is the amount of electricity of like, I don't even know. Probably like 20,000, 30,000 homes or something. Damn. Right. That electric bill can be somewhere between $70 and $80,000 a month.

That's 1.5 megawatts. And a gigawatt is 1,000 megawatts. And it's like, has nobody done the math on that. And like, my buddy just got lucky and happened to be in a place where high-powered transmission lines were going by. And that power was available. And he's the largest consumer of electricity on that entire provider. He's the top tier guy. Like, he's number one at just 1.5 megawatts. Like, no one uses more electricity than him. Wow. And so he was like, all this is cool.

And, uh, and I helped him build all the air, the air, uh, inlets, the whole air management system.

“Right. Because you have to allow air in and keep everything else out because you're talking”

about millions of dollars of computers. Right. Right. So you kind of don't want people just crawling in. Yeah. Birds or yeah. Bugs. Yeah. All of it. Yeah. It's it's bad. Rain. Because you're talking about the building that now has vacuum and output that can suck in water. Yeah. The same way. Yeah.

foot gate. And like, I go over there and park my truck in front of it in the middle of winter.

“And I have it thought my whole truck. Like, two hours later, you come out and it's like 75 degrees”

in the truck. Like, 10 feet from the building. Like, people have no idea of the amount of heat, power and resources these things use. And so he was he had this great idea. I'm going to build a shipping container into a crypto mine. Got a 40 foot shipping container. The problem was he's not able to find. He hasn't been able to find anywhere with just even one megawatt of power available in like a year. He's been looking. And he understands electricity, obviously. Yeah.

And it's and it's interesting. Like, like, there's just no way these data centers

can survive. I've watched the same thing with the crypto mines. Like, crypto would go up.

People at least are building, you know, pay electricians to come in and pay them like $500,000.

“You're talking computers that run on 220. Each one requires its own 40 amp breaker, 50 amp”

breaker. Like the same power that you run on your huge 20. Yes. This is not like your laptop. No. No. This is 40 amps, 220 volts. Yeah. Yeah. Like, these are, it's a serious, serious. And that's just one. So every single one has to have its own outlet. Every single one has to have its dedicated circuit. And they pencil all this out. Well, then all of a sudden electricity would go up by one set per kilowatt hour and crypto would fall in price and loan

behold the crypto mines done. Because one month later, you're operating in the red and you can't, you can't pay a $60,000 electric bill. And so at that point, my buddy would go over and buy up the crypto machines for pennies on the dollar. And he just slowly put his shit together all by himself. Wired did all his own wiring taught himself electrical, you know. Wow. Like, as people could do,

“I don't know if people know this, but there's more than cat videos important on the internet.”

You can learn quite a bit. Oh, I have a lot. Yeah. I mean, almost anything because they're utterly anything. There are, I mean, this goes refers back to the opening of this conversation. But there are so many high intelligence, high skilled people in this country. You know, fewer than we need, fewer than we used to have, but they still agree with your one of them. And they still exist. And I know a bunch of them. And they're totally excluded from high income

professions. No, you are immediately pushed out of course. Immediately. Of course. But they still

exist. And they have access to YouTube. And some of them, I mean, it's incredible. The intelligence

is some people posting on YouTube from some little town, the guys making 80 grand a year, but he understands this thing better than anyone in New York City. And that's real. That's not like a sentimental shop to like rural America is still impressive. That's a real thing. Yes. I mean, I'm telling you, you obviously you're living this. But no, but it's just so interesting. What do you think of the whole amount of teching your friend who sounds like an amazing and

enterprising person? But like the idea that you'd be taking that much power, which is like the juice of life, and using it not to produce something, but to run calculations that some mysterious dead guys to toe she gave you to create really nothing. Well, that's the wild shit. So like, I was, I would we talk about it all the time because like it's just, it's insane to watch these people claim they're putting up a gigawatt data center. And it's like, how are you even bringing

in that much power? Like, where are you getting that copper wire? How are you like you? So then they put up generators or whatnot, but my buddy hasn't had his own crypto miners running since October. It doesn't pencil. It's turned them all off. Really? Because the price of Bitcoin doesn't justify the price of electricity. You got it. Yeah. That's even I can understand that calculation. Yeah. And I mean, so like you could float it, right? And at some points he did when it would be

down a little bit. Right. Of course. But now it's just completely went into the toilet and the hash rate has gone through the roof. The hash rate is how hard the computers have to work. The more computers that are mining Bitcoin, the difficulty goes up. And the difficulty is at an all-time high. And the price is at an all-time low. But it's also like, if you take even further

that's what the data center, the data centers are mining Bitcoin. Yeah. And they're running crypto through these data centers. Empowering software that lies to you. So it's all kind of Sisyphian. Like you're actually not producing anything, just the opposite. You're wasting your most precious resource, which is energy in the service or an intangible creating air. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. If you're going soybeans, whatever you think of soybeans is like, well,

okay, soybeans are feed them to your cattle or whatever. But this is literally an entire society.

This is our most important industry right now is AI. Yeah. Number one, and it's in the end,

nothing. There's nothing there. No, there is. What can it even do? Everybody I talked to, it's been so funny. Like, the last time I talked to like an HVAC, a guy in HVAC, I was like, use AI. He's like, yeah, I go how often is it right? Oh, rarely ever. I'm like, one of them fuck. You use it. Well, it can do simple math faster than I can. But like, if you ask it to calculate, like, oh, what ton AC unit do I need for this? Like, it gets it wrong. No way.

I was I was surprised by that. I am surprised too, because that's a notable thing. That's not

subjective, right? There's standards in place, which you can look up. I mean, you could look

up and you probably have looked at them. Yeah. This is so how, how if it has access to all that it, because it has, it's, it's trained a lot. There's no other explanation for it. If it's a computer program that's like designed to operate by certain parameters, then it has to have been programmed to lie and deceive. Oh, so it's self protection. What other answer there is there for it? And then so like, how do they see that working out? Where do they see that coming to? Like,

“what conclusion? That's what I'm most confused about. Like, do these, do these people”

constructing all this, not realize that they have to eat food and drink water? Is that not

come into their equation? Are they different? Maybe they're not human. They don't, they don't appear to be human. Maybe they don't eat and drink water. So how does this end? Probably not well. I mean, it ends where it began, which is with reality, right? Like the need. So just like Rome, for 76, right? Yeah, probably had something back to like that, large population crash. You can't, you can't have access, create your own food, understand how to get clean water.

You might, you might be kind of fucked. Your business degree probably not going to do you too, but yeah. So you said your grandfather didn't even notice the great depression.

“Yeah. Do you expect that you will notice when things really go sideways?”

I'll notice what my life change. Probably. I don't know. I expected it'll probably get better. How long won't have all these idiots burn in the world down around me? Right? Yeah. Try to look at the silver lining of things. I totally agree. Yeah. Just because things are getting worse doesn't mean that they're, you know, formally worse, worse for everyone. They're compensatory things that happen like COVID. How did you enjoy COVID?

I did enjoy COVID. I did see a lot when I looked back on it. I saw that for what it was almost immediately. And I had been saving to build a house. And I was like, we're all going to be here and me and my family with some assistance from some friends here and then we built my house. During COVID. Yeah. Yeah. Right before. And I just by the stroke of luck. I just bought all the materials like almost immediately before shit went bad shit crazy in prices. And

yeah, just set to work. Yeah. Toredown the old house built foundation stacked up some shipping

“containers and shipping containers shipping containers. How many? Five?”

Yeah. Double stacked walls. Seem welded and concrete pears. You welded all the seams of five shipping containers. Yeah. I'm a welder, not a carpenter. I think Jesus would have been a welder if he was alive today. He makes up. Why? There's a last longer. Yeah. I think Jesus was in the permanence as well. How long do you take you to weld the seams of five shipping containers? Oh my god. More than a month. Yeah. Yeah. I burned a burned a lot of wire. Yeah.

Something like that. Maybe 60. Just in four or six weeks. Yeah. Seem welding everything together. Yeah. The whole thing and then all the structure inside. Stairs. So you live in a part of the country with tornadoes. What would happen if a tornado hit your house? I'd like to find out. I think I think I'd be good up to an F4. I don't I don't I have I have no qualms that the containers will stay in place through an F5. Some of the roof panels might come off. But you know there's no move

in that structure. It's it's welded straight down to the foundations. How hard is welding? Just like any skilled thing. It's 10% knowledge and 90% practice. It's not hard to learn. But it takes a lot of practice. Just just like just like any skilled

“thing you have to do it for a good solid what? Thousand hours before you come proficient at it.”

Yes. Like nobody steps into anything. Nobody was good at motorboat and titties their first time.

But you stuck with it. Yeah. Exactly. And you got better. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not going to comment on that. So we we look backward to our ancestors with all because they you know, they learn skills like that through persistence. Yeah. Look at the people used to build things out of stone and steel that lasted centuries and generations and people look at it now and I feel like I feel like if you grab some kid with an engineering and architectural degree

I don't think they could build any of that. No. I mean they have trouble putting together a stick building built from pine two by fours. Yes. And making it anything straighter square.

“I don't think I've seen a straighter square house in since 2020. She just really gone down hill.”

Really? Oh my god. I mean, I've heard a lot of people say even like do not buy a house built after 2020. I couldn't imagine they could get worse. Yeah. That's a that's kind of a new perspective

because I've always been interested in in ancient history and as everybody who ever looks at the

Egyptian culture, the best work of the Egyptians is the oldest. The old kingdom created the pyramids and flawless polygonal, megalithic construction with stones that weighed in excess of 10 tons, 20 tons, 30 tons, 40, 50 tons. And it seems the longer the civilization went on, the farther the art degraded, the smaller blocks they used, the rougher they were. And then they end up sticking together mud bricks in the end. How does that work? Where we with our modern

building materials on that continuum? There were somewhere around mud bricks, it feels like, you know, how long does a stick house last, you know, stick two by fours, yeah, wood, like people used to build their homes out of brick. Nobody ever, we have lost touch with the three little pigs. Tell me, you familiar with the very little pigs, right? Like, I don't think that's the story that's told to children anymore. Not enough. We summarize it. Not enough. No, you

rock it for me. Where can I rock it for you? I don't think rock would get it right. They'd be like, all three pigs lived a great life. I don't know what you're talking about. He lived on a fucking straw hut. What's the problem with that? He had a great female firefighter. She was right there,

every time made sure his house didn't burn down. No, the first pig built his house out of straw

and the big bad wolf came up blew on it. It fell over and that little piggy had to run away. And he had to run to his brother's house and his second brother, he built his house out of sticks. He was like, oh, that, hey, idea, that didn't work out well for you. I'll use sticks and the big bad wolf come along. Probably, well, three letter agency. I, if I had to guess, probably worked for somewhere in that. He's probably NSA and he blew on that house and the sticks fell down

and both those two little pigs were like, oh, this, this is, this is not working out. So they ran to their third brother's house, who had built his house out of bricks. And when the fed showed up

“to his house, he didn't answer the door and he gave him the finger and then I think he sent some”

rounds down range and the big bad wolf was just kind of like, yeah, I didn't think I'm not going to fuck with that guy because he's put some thought into things. So we'll just kind of leave him alone. I think that's how it went. Is that how it? I would say that's exactly how it went. And I haven't

All the nursery rhymes need to be brought back and told to everybody, Hansel and Gretel

“or Rumpel Stilt Skin. How is Rumpel Stilt Skin not like the perfect allegory for everything we are”

dealing with right now, creating wealth from nothing and only wanting to eat your children in return. And then when you call it out for what it is, they stop their feet and scream and call you names. Does it say that? Hmm. Yeah, you're familiar with Rumpel Stilt Skin, right? Yeah, but not it's been 50 years, at least. Once you acknowledge this reality for what it is and name him, pounds his feet, throws a fit, and then disappears back into the shadows from once he has crawled.

Wow, that's definitely banned. Yeah, but I mean, look, look at that lost information, right? That lost lesson. You would think, you know, that probably should be taught in every elementary school in the country, probably be handy. It might be good to know that, yeah. Might not work out for getting everybody into those high-interest debt loans though. No, probably not. Yeah. Where are you on debt? I have none. None. Yeah.

Yeah, in college I could not pass college algebra because I could not understand why we were putting letters into numbers in math that didn't make any logical sense to me and I could not get anybody to explain to me how that was ever going to be useful to me. So I continually got into arguments with algebra teachers who thought they were smart, who I found to be very lacking in intelligence. So I ended up in a class called finite math that they had hidden

from us that like, it was just, I got drunk with the lady who signs you up for classes, like

early on in college, right? At a party. And we became friends. And so I never had an advisor

and I would just whatever classes I wanted to take. I'd walk into her office. I was like, hey, sign me up for these classrooms. He was like, no problem. Yeah. So like, when I came down to graduate and like, I finally had to sit down with like whatever admissions person they were like, how the fuck they were like, you have taken none of these freshman classes. I was like, yeah, they suck in their stupid. I was like, I algebra dumb. I don't need me no algebra,

but I'm an art major. Like, I want to build cool shit. Like, I took Western sieves and archaeology

“classes and history classes because that's, that's what I wanted to learn about. And I feel like”

it served me pretty well. But then I had to take a math class so they, this woman was like, you ever thought about finite math. Like, here it's on the list. And it's got the same credits and accounts. I was like, let's do it. Holy shit. You know why they don't want you to take and finite math because it explains to you how much you will pay on any loan for interest and how fast you could pay off a loan if you just pay $50 more. That's all it was. I think I made it through

a week of the class before I cut up all my credit cards and was like, oh, I am never doing that.

Ever, ever, ever, ever under no circumstances, will I ever take out a loan and pay twice the value of anything? It just, it made absolutely no sense to me. So yeah, why does algebra put letters into numbers? I think just a fuck with you. So you deal with math in your job every day. You've already, I think, demonstrated your grasp of math is high. There. I mean, functional math? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well, if you can build a wood-fired kiln, yeah, you understand math. So, but what,

you didn't add letters to numbers in the process of doing that? That's the weirdest thing. nowhere did I find any letters in my math to calculate the size and structural integrity of a can't-nary arch. And then weird? Oh, that was weird. Does everybody, every math teacher

“was always like, you need to know some algebra. I've yet to encounter a single person in my life”

that uses algebra. Actually, if you, so like you, but you would not get it. I mean, I live in a fake world. Um, that's why you use fake math with letters. Congratulations. If everybody out there in the matrix, good job. You're good little voice-laves. That's amazing. So you didn't get an answer because

I've never considered this, by the way, never even entered my mind. I was too dyslexic to take any

math. So I got a pass on math, but um, or whatever they said I didn't have to take math. So I never

question why are there letters? And nobody took that question seriously? Yeah, I mean, they took

it seriously. They were like, there's the door. Get the fuck out of here. And I was like, awesome. Happy to. I was like, I haven't found any of this intellectually stimulating or anywhere

“useful where I could see any tangible benefit to this information. So why the fuck would I sit here?”

What's the matrix? This world that is constructed around us. mortgages, loans for cars that aren't worth $30,000 that somehow costs 150 insurance, the scam of life. What is insurance this game? How can it not be? I don't have it. So I agree with you, but I just agree with you. What was that? United healthcare, right? That's the

dude that got whacked, right? The vice guy? Yep. Like, did they not just post like

quarterly profits in the, in like the multiple billions of dollars? I mean, that doesn't, that doesn't give it away for anybody. Like, who was every time I hear somebody like their house gets fucked up and the insurance people come out. Yeah, we're not covering that. Well, then what the fuck did you pay for it for? Exactly. Like, okay, let's do the math. How much did you pay the insurance company in the last 10 years? And they'll be like, oh, something around $25,000. What

is it costs to put the roof on your house? Oh, about, you know, $5,000? Why the fuck you pay in for insurance? Why not not pay them $30,000? Save up your own money. Be responsible for yourself. I don't, here's, oh, you even wilder idea. Get your ass up on the roof and put some shingles down. If one can fucking shingle your roof and you can't figure it out, then you're dumber than one. Fair, fair. Isn't that not enough? There's a shorter answer to your quite. I've actually dealt

with this and, and, and as I said, I don't have the insurance you're referring to for the exactly that reason. Like, doesn't give you the sense. I know what a roof cost to put on a shingle, especially in asphalt shingle roof is pretty cheap, really. So like, what are you doing? And I've lived by that for many years and it works, but the reason that most people don't is because you're required to get insurance once you take a mortgage out.

Well, there you go. Yeah. And then it is the basis of all slavery. Once you remove yourself and debt, there is no or else over your head. Right. They use the debt over your head for every,

“that is the or else. Right. That's how they silence people at their job. Oh, I can't speak up”

about the evil shit. My company is doing, or I might lose my job. And then I won't be able to pay for my home that I don't own and drive the car that I don't own. But if you simply just don't own your shit, and he doesn't have to be nice shit. Right. You get a $5,000 shit box card. It'll do everything that a brand new Lincoln will do, except it won't talk back to you and rat you out to the fucking feds. So fair. Kind of sounds like the $5,000 shit box might be a better

idea. So it's, if you were running this scam on an entire population, the first thing you do is convince them they have to have the Lincoln instead of the Nova. Yeah. I guess you'd have to excite in people a desire for things they don't need. How does that work? I don't understand.

It's never worked on me. Well, you grew up on a farm in South Dakota. So it's like that's the

opposite of the culture that you're from. But if you're floating around America at large, your bombarded continuously by incitement to want things that aren't good for you and actually aren't the desires of your heart. You don't really want these things. Yeah. But you're convinced through this very sophisticated omnipresent propaganda operation, being run against you by retailers,

“that you like you got to have this. You got to have that. You have to have it. That's the measure of”

happiness. Are you laughing? But that's true. Do you think? I mean, that's what they say. I laugh because I've always found it hilarious. Look at these people that follow all those, all those checkpoints down that list and then ask them how happy they are or how fulfilled they feel in their life. Are there kids like them? Is there wife like them? Exactly. Is there anybody see them as necessary or valuable people in their lives? I don't think so. Who are the happiest people you know?

People who work for themselves, people with no debt, people who make their own decisions in their

soon as they need it or any other friends. That's the people that I've surrounded myself with, though, this people that will come and help you dig a hole or do hard manual labor sweat. Yeah. Yeah. People you can cop. Yeah. We won't go any farther than that. Dig a hole.

“And I want to ask why you're digging holes. How is this saviourable? The civilization?”

I don't think so. It's already too far down the decline. Something new has to be built. At some point you get to an old structure. You know, quite a construction and you find a house. At some point it just, it just, it's better to just be burned to the ground. The seals are rotted. Yeah. Done. Maybe the design was right. Right. You could rebuild the same house back under the same principles. But once termites have gotten into it and eaten out its bones and sold it off to

fucking foreign interests. What are you going to do with that? Nothing. I don't own fire. Do you think there enough people remaining in the country to rebuild a civilization worth living in?

“Easily. Easily. Look at what humans have recovered from. Yeah. Made it through the younger”

driest. Made it through the Ice Age. Yeah. Made it through the Mongol Hords. Yeah. And always came out

better the other end. So you're not worried in some deep way. Done. I feel bad for people that don't see it. I feel bad for the people who are sleepwalking into their own extermination. But there is some level of me that will enjoy it. Right. Karma's bitch. There's nothing better than watching calmly getting handed out to people that deserve it. It's the one saving grace in this world. This world is nothing of what they've told us it is. It's in fact it's the exact opposite. Right.

Like evil deeds are punished. Evil people are punished. Their lives suck. They don't have any happiness or joy in them. Right. They have nobody to love. Nobody holds them at night. Nobody tells them they've done a good job. And means that I suppose in any meaningful way. I'm sure plenty of people have some sick of fans that lied to them. Yeah. But I doubt that. I doubt that brings any warmth to anyone's soul at the end of the day. That's right. You wouldn't want to be

Larry think you're in hell. I don't know how you could point to anybody with a billion dollars

“and be like, oh, they could be a good person like now. The only way you accumulate that much wealth”

is by being an evil piece of shit that is exploited other human beings. It's the only way it happens. Yes. It is. It's just and that's been a steady norm all throughout history. Like guy's crisis was not a great dude. No. No. Not at all. So were you fooled by Trump? I did support him. And I go back and forth on whether or not I was fooled. I don't think I was fooled. Something happened to him. He turned his back on us. He became something else. I mean, unless he just

can't be that good of an actor. He doesn't seem to be otherwise he could sell the lies now. A hell of a lot better than he's selling it. No. That's a great point. Right. Like so no. He was he was being honest in the beginning. He was saying the true things. You know, deport all these people, save our country. All the things that were obviously wrong. He was pointing them out and then

just like a light switch. He was like, no, no, I never said anything. Actually, actually Lindsey

Graham's a great guy. Yeah. He's totally straight. Love's peace. What? These people all hated him. These were everything we voted against. He surrounded himself and just is rolling around in it with everybody that hated him and tried to destroy him and then somehow convinced him to destroy himself. That's exactly right and nicely put. They convinced him to destroy himself.

Ciao, dear. That's going to take somebody far more intelligent than some fucking

Potter from South Dakota. I can't explain that. I can't explain why anybody would do that. But I can't explain the motivations of the majority of America. None of none of this ever made sense to me. I don't understand how you sleep. Owing anybody five dollars. I can't imagine being in debt to anybody. Just it bothers me. It bothers me. Even when somebody like does something nice for me or gives me something, I have to return that to that. Of course,

you know? And so it's pretty clear in the New Testament too. I don't they kept this from me

in churches again to the extent I went. But don't know anybody anything. Paul says that. Don't be in debt. Yeah, no. How much better would the world be if like elementary school just taught the Bible? Not even in a religious way, but just for those lessons. Yes?

“Like that's why that is Ben. So applicable to everybody's lives for 2000 years, right?”

Yes. It's because it is true information and good advice

and yeah, dear. Of all the times I went to church is younger. Like I was I thought about this

later and I was like, why don't they just start at the beginning and just read the thing all the way to the end? Like you go to church on a Sunday and you start on January 1st and you just started the beginning and he just reads the thing. Well, because then if you read the whole Bible, you wouldn't be going to church, would you? You'd be like, hey, teacher, Jesus said there that I shouldn't be giving you any money to talk to his dad and that I'm supposed to walk

“up there and flip your tables over and take my money back. What do you have to say about that?”

It's kind of like AI. You need to get the fuck out of this class, sir. So you don't need the promotion and it's probably don't even want the work but I just can't resist by ending on the question of your of the art that you make. So how do people get it if they want it? Find me. Yeah, I'm going to make you work for it. Comes with an IQ test. I'm not that difficult to find. No, you're not. No, I'm my phone number's on the internet. So it's mine.

Yeah, surely. How many other artists do you know like actual artists real artists? That make a living, making art. Yeah, one. One. One. Yeah, that I went to school with. Masahiro Wateryama. My Japanese buddy. Where's he live? Okay. Osaka. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. He came to South Dakota. We didn't even meet in art class. He came to South Dakota. His dad sent him over here because his dad liked cowboys. Yeah. And he thought he should learn English and it's the most

ridiculous thing to come to South Dakota to learn pottery from the culture that is literally kept the ancient knowledge of pottery alive throughout modern ages. Like the only reason, I know what wood canons are is because Japan preserved that information. Really. Yeah. How many wood kills in the United States? Would you say? I don't even, I don't even know. Not many, though. Maybe not. Maybe more than I might think there are because by nature,

potters don't like this world. I don't think. At least someone's I know. You know, we toil hard. You work hard to be a potter. And the reward and gratitude is low.

“Low. Yeah. I think I should probably carve more into pots about what worthless leaders we have.”

So that when somebody digs them up in a thousand years, they can know that what a piece of shit Trump's become. Yeah. Gatch your mother fucker. The artist known as Jess. Thank you very much. Thank you, Tucker.