Trump Becomes the Very Thing He Swore to Destroy. And It Might Cost Us Our Country.

They're having a lot of conflicting thoughts.

“Now, most people who voted for Donald Trump in 2024 did so, not because they were more”

popular with their neighbors, but because they felt that Donald Trump was the last chance this country had to make fundamental changes, it needed to make to avert obvious disasters looming on the horizon. And so, because people who voted for Trump did so against the

considered advice of every news organization in the United States, basically, and all

educated, fashionable people, they kind of went out on a limb to vote for this guy. There is a natural hesitance to concede that things aren't working as planned. So, if you talk to them, they will almost all concede, almost all concede, that a regime changed where the Ron was kind of not part of the plan. Very few people voted for Trump, hoping that the Iran nuclear program that didn't actually exist in any meaningful way would

be the central focus of the administration, like that nobody thought that who voted

“for Trump two years ago. And some of them will tell you, no, it's actually very important”

that we ended that or continued to fight Iran for whatever reason those the Fox News viewers are almost all over 70, but for most Trump voters, it's an obvious betrayal, like obviously. Of course, we didn't want that. Of course, you promised you wouldn't do it, you did it. So, they'll tell you that. But that's not the same as regretting their vote for Trump, because most people who voted for Trump, who I should say are some of the best

people in the country, but everything could Trump, as sort of as weird situation where the best people in the country elected one of the worst people in the country, or another way to put it, the people who care most about the United States who were the most vested in the system who believe most fervently and say the Constitution somehow elected the guy who doesn't care at all about any of that. So, how did that happen? Well, only historians

“probably will unravel that mystery. But in the meantime, most people who voted for Trump,”

that we've talked to anyway, are not at the point where they're rejecting Trump. They don't want to reject Trump. They've vested so much in the guy that it's too hard to concede that, wow, that was a mistake. And of course, most of them wouldn't vote for Kamala Harris under any circumstances. So, it's not like they had someone else to vote for. But if you press them a little bit, they say, look, yeah, of course, this is not going

as planned at all. And they'll tell you what a lot of them said in his first term from 2016

to 2020. They'll say, no, he's a good guy, but he's surrounded somehow by bad people who don't share the same vision who are not America first who are in it for themselves or in it for a foreign country or whatever. They've sold Trump out, but Trump either can't get a handle on the federal bureaucracy, or he just doesn't know he doesn't know that they're doing this. You know, if only Trump knew, and then if you press them still more,

they will say, yeah, well, look, it's, you know, it's not great in a lot of ways, but immigration. He sealed the border. He kept his promises on immigration. And that's not a small thing, because Trump's position on immigration is the core of the Trump movement and has been since 2015 when he first emerged as a candidate, not a credible candidate. He was still kind of a joke to a lot of people in Washington, New York and LA, but he

soon became a force in the Republican party. And then pretty swiftly took over the Republican party because of his position on immigration, really for two reasons. One, it was a lot more popular than anyone in New York Los Angeles, or Washington had any idea, just didn't know that there was a whole world out there that disagreed with him vehemently on the question of immigration. And not just illegal immigration, but immigration, broadly, like

who should live here? Do we have too many people here, too few people here? Most people fear they're feel there too many already. It's becoming a crowded country and most Americans are not for that. Why would they be for that? And they felt this way even ten years ago. And so Trump's position on that is the thing, the single thing that vaulted him from failed casino magnet to presidential nominee. It was immigration and his willingness,

and this is the second part of the equation, to basically give the finger, not simply

to the establishment, but to the Republican establishment. Trump was never an Orthodox

Republican. That's not a knock against him. That's the whole reason that so many Republican voters supported him because they were dissatisfied with their own party. They voted for these guys since Reagan at least since 1980. And what did they gotten? Not a better country, but a weaker poorer country. Their party had betrayed them and they knew that, whether they admitted in a Republican not. So Trump's willingness to break with the Republican

Reagan, of course, who signed the Amnesty of 1986, totally changed in the composition

“of the state of California, his state and others. And so from 1986 to 2016, that was the”

Republican position. Yeah, we have problems with legal immigration, but immigration is great. It's the basis of our country. It's engraved on the bottom of the Statue of Liberty. Give us your tired and poor and people learning to be free, etc. That's the guy who does my one. Only Trump could change that or more than the point only Trump did change that. And so in case you forgot, and here is the last 10 years encapsulated in four or five

soundbites of Donald Trump on immigration. And the first clip you're about to see is

exactly 10 years old. It was August 31, 2016, exactly 10 years ago. Here's Donald Trump. The fundamental problem with the immigration system in our country is that it serves the

“needs of wealthy donors, political activists, and powerful, powerful politicians. So you can”

do. Let me tell you who it does not serve. It does not serve you the American people, doesn't serve you. Under my administration, anyone who illegally crosses the border will be detained until they are removed out of our country and back to the country from which they came. Anyone who is entered, the United States illegally, is subject to deportation. That is what it means to have laws and to have a country. Otherwise, we don't have a country.

And day one, my first hour in office, those people are gone. And you can call it deported if you want. The press doesn't like that term. You can call it whatever the hell you want. You know, it's worth lingering over those words. And you want to wrote that. Sounds like a Steven Miller speech. Much hate towards Steven Miller, the old Steven Miller, for writing things like that, we're just guessing. But let's just consider these words. The fundamental problem

with the immigration system in our country is that it serves the needs of wealthy donors,

political activists, and powerful politicians. Let me tell you who it does not serve. It does

not serve the American people. It doesn't serve you. So how is that not true? Everything about that paragraph is true. The immigration system was not designed to benefit the public. And if it was, tell me how it's worked. There's no net economic benefit to the way the United States has done immigration over the last 25 years. And if there is, what was it? How could a country that transitions from manufacturing to a knowledge economy and now to high tech to an economy doesn't

“even really need labor? That's the promise of AI. How does it need 100 million new low-skilled workers?”

Who don't speak English? Tell me what need that serves. Tell me how the United States benefits from that ordinary people. Of course there's no sense in which the public benefits from that. And you know that that's true because the people who designed that system and have defended that system haven't actually defended it. They've merely attacked anyone who questions that system. You're a racist. You just don't like them because they're not white. Meanwhile, often in the

same speech, they will say immigration is turning American non-white. And that's great. And anyone who notices that is a believer in the great replacement conspiracy theory, which is anti-Semitic. It's not an argument in favor of immigration. It's a control tactic designed to crush opposition to a program that on its face hurts the majority of the country and is certainly being enacted against the will of the majority of the country. And so way back 10 years ago, an

August of 2016 Trump said that out loud. And that may be more than anything. Perhaps his opposition to the Iraq War retroactively. But let's just say probably more than anything. His critique of the American immigration system, and particularly his point, his true impossible to refute point, that it serves only the people who designed it and not the public. That's why they opposed him. And that itself is revealing because in fact, Trump is making

a species of exactly the same argument that organized labor made throughout the teens and 20s.

“And that's why after the first war at about 1924, at the behest of the labor unions, the”

United States essentially shut down immigration into the country to keep the labor market tight, to keep wages up for the working in middle class. And that's one of the main reasons that this country from then, until 2015, under Barack Obama, had a majority in the middle class that is no longer true. And the primary reason it's no longer true is because labor markets watered down by more people. It's a supply and demand question, more willing workers,

lower wages. And then the secondary effect, which is the total destruction of the native workforce, people born in this country raised with a certain expectation of standard of living, drop out of the workforce entirely. They give up. And that has happened in its measurable.

In fact, it's one of the defining facts the moment we're living in, though it's almost never noted.

People born in this country, people who had conceivably relatives who fought in the civil war are dropping out of the workforce in record numbers. That's one of the reasons we still have a tight labor market. It's one of the reasons it's hard to find help because people born here are not working. And they're certainly not working at the lower end of the scale. So everything about Trump's critique was not just right. It was spot on. And he wrote that critique

to victory in 2016, along with a couple of very specific promises. And you heard a couple of them right there and will add another. That is build a wall. The 2016 campaign could be boiled down to one slogan, Build a Wall. Well, of course, Trump didn't build a wall. Didn't even make really a good faith effort to build a wall. And his supporters and defenders mostly ignored that. Me included because most of them felt he probably wanted to. It's just hard and he got distracted and there was

Russia gate. Most people who voted for Trump all three times and even the last time believed.

In fact, I've never met anyone who voted for Trump who didn't believe that he really did

understand that mass migration is terrible for the United States as it has been terrible for Europe. As it was terrible for Central Asia under the Mongols, it's always terrible. It's too much changed too fast. And it destroys the pre-existing culture every single time. So we know that. It's not racism. That's nature. And Trump knew that. And he said it. And most people,

“people hated him and loved him thought he meant it as he said it. Why did they think that?”

Because he kept saying it. This is one feature of Trump's program that remained consistent from 2015 all the way up until election night 2024. Here's Trump that year, that campaign on stage with Kamal Harris in the now famous moment where he accused the Haitians of the Midwest of eating the dogs and cats. Watch what they have done to our country by allowing these millions and millions of people to come into our country and look at what's happening to the towns all over

the United States. And a lot of towns don't want to talk. It's not going to be Aurora or Springfield. A lot of towns don't want to talk about it because they're so embarrassed by it. In Springfield, they're eating the dogs. The people that came in, they're eating the cats. They're eating

“they're eating the pets of the people that live there. Really? What are the great moments in political history?”

And of course, it worked on a couple of different levels. On a political level, this is what the kids call trolling. Trump says something knowing it will provoke outrage, blind outrage. In fact, blind rage, and that every liberal and social media will be spouting, just fuming, sputtering, spitting, huffing, and that that anger will provoke them, his opponents, to take positions that are totally out of line with where the rest of the public is. In other words,

by making the mad, he makes them more extreme. And that extremism sinks their ship in the end. It's smart. It may be corrosive. It may be damaging long-term, but it's a political tactic. That works. And no one did it better. No one does it better to this day than Donald Trump. So on that level, it was a success. But on a deeper level, it worked because there's a lot of truth in that, where the Haitians eating the dogs and cats in Springfield, I don't know. They certainly could have

been. Has mass migration, third world mass migration made small towns in America better.

been to those towns or lives in one, who's gotten in a car and driven through lightly populated parts of the country in the last 15 years. What does it look like? It looks awful. It's dying in the solution in state after state and town after town city after city, beginning with Chicago,

long our second biggest city, now our third. But in all kinds of cities has been,

the tax base has gone. You've got a lot of empty apartments. We're going to fill them up with immigrants. And they've done that. And the effect has been devastating to the country. It's not going to attack those immigrants. Most of them are looking for a better life, whether or not they care about the United States in many cases. They don't. Many don't even seek citizenship. They don't care. They're here to make money for their families

back home. That doesn't make them evil. Most of them aren't evil. Some of them are criminals. But most of them aren't. In fact, a lot of them are very hard workers. So it's not an attack on them to say that it has been utterly devastating to the communities in which they've moved or been moved. Because everything changes instantly. And what does that mean for the people who live in those communities, who grew up there, who had no role at all in this policy, who wouldn't

sign off on it if they'd had the chance. But of course, we're never given the chance. They weren't

even asked. It happened to them. People who live far away, who have more power than they do, impose this on them for reasons that nothing to do with their well-being or thriving.

“It was a kind of punishment imposed from afar. That's how they experience it. Because that's”

what it is. And they're resentful about that. That doesn't make them racist. Most of them aren't racist. Whatever that means. By the way, the people throwing around the term racist never define it. But they're not bad people. They're not evil. They don't hate others because of their skin color. They just don't want their neighbor to change overnight and become a foreign experience.

Who would want that? And by the way, the people making these decisions never impose

these decisions on their own neighborhoods. And if you don't believe it, drive through their neighborhoods, look up the 15 richest zip codes in the United States. And they're also the most stable zip codes because they are not subjected to mass migration. So that kind of tells you the whole story right there. Martha's Vineyard looks a lot like it did 50 years ago. So does Nantuck it. So it's Brooklyn, Massachusetts. So does Aspen. If it's so great, then why don't they have 10,000 Haitians

“living in Martha's Vineyard? Because it's not great. That's why it's not an attack on the Haitians.”

It's the nature of mass migration, taking people from a completely different culture with no education, limited skills and no money and dropping them into what was formerly a pretty prosperous stable community. Who benefits? Not the formerly prosperous community. If you think that's racist, then go away because that's absurd. It's not. It's real. And Trump made that point and he was brave enough to do that and God bless him for doing it. So because he said that and many things

like that, normal people who don't just dismiss all challenges to their world view as racism or anti-Semitism, but try to critically assess what others are saying. Those people said to themselves, you know, he's onto something here. Like, what are we doing to Springfield, Ohio? Why aren't we doing that to Bethesda Maryland? Well, we're not doing to Bethesda Maryland because Bethesda Maryland is rich.

“And members of Congress live there. That's why in Springfield, Ohio, where is that? Who cares?”

That's like post-industrial hell. We can do whatever we want to them. And if we want to construct artificially a new voting base in the middle of Ohio, if we want to change it from red to blue, or whatever our plan is, we just want to weaken American divide it. So it can't oppose us collectively, which may be part of the plan. But whatever our aim is, we can do it in Springfield, Ohio, because who's going to stop us? They don't have a lobby in DC. Mary Madeleine doesn't care what

happens in Springfield, Ohio. So that's what happened. And everybody knows that. And let's stop lying about it. And Trump was one of the only people not to lie about it. And of course, he expressed it in artfully kind of retarded way, but it doesn't make it less true. So it was on the basis of that and his opposition to foreign wars that got him elected in 2024. So what happened then? Well, a lot happened then. On the other hand, not much happened then.

As you're about to learn, as we talked to the recently departed head of Border Patrol Greg Bavino, who spent 30 years in the Border Patrol and was hired early on to get our immigration system under control. One of the things that happened is that there was turnover in who ran

Patrol are the two main instruments. Take a look at the new head of the entire immigration enforcement operation. This is a former senator from Oklahoma called Mark Wayne Mullin.

And he's taken over in the last year. This is the guy Trump hired to deport over 100 million

illegal. Watch this. We have naturalization ceremonies every single day in the United States that we're in that federal government's open. We have hundreds of thousands of people. In fact, over we're real close to 900,000 individuals that have been naturalized in the last 12 months. There's a legal system to go through. Wait a second. This is the guy who runs Department of Homeland Security, Mark Wayne Mullin, who was hired by Trump to deport all these

illegals who came into the country over the last 20 years, but particularly over the four years under Joe Biden, 50 million they told us. And here he is, this month, that was August 4th of this month, sitting before the National Governor's Association, bragging about how many of these people have become citizens. Almost a million, 900,000. What? Was that the promise? Did Trump run

“less than two years ago on the promise to give citizenship to people who came here illegally?”

Was it the opposite of that? And if it was the opposite of that, why did he hire one of the most liberal Republicans in the Senate, one of the most pro-legal immigration Republicans in the entire Senate? And that's saying a lot, Mark Wayne Mullin, to run deportation. This is starting

to feel like it could betrayal. Oh, but it gets worse. Here's what Mark Wayne Mullin went on to say

to the governors on August 4th of this year. I'm what I'm saying is, let me work with you on this stuff. I'm not handling things like maybe the past, uh, uh, a secretary head. I'm just saying let's work to get the worst of the worst off the streets. And then you won't see me in your cities and states like you do as much because my presence won't be as big. In fact, you probably want to use this at all. Oh, we're going to stop enforcing immigration law. We're going to go after the worst of the

worst, the criminals who, by the way, presumably could be rounded up by local or state law enforcement. Isn't that their job? This is the head of federal immigration enforcement. The guy whose job was literally paid to enforce immigration law laws that were passed by the Congress. These aren't regulations that came out of the agencies. These are laws passed by the Democratic process and there's

“you vote for someone so he can make a law that reflects your views and your values. That's what”

democracy is. And he does. And then this guy is hired to make sure those laws are enforced. And here he is telling the 50 governors that actually I'm not going to enforce those laws. Now, if he worked for Joe Biden, this would be a scandal. It would be on every Fox News show all day long. Here's the head of the Department of Homeland Security saying he's not going to enforce immigration law. Oh my gosh, they're open borders people, which they were. This is Trump's guy,

Mark Wayne Mullen, making the same claim. And so the point is really simple. The true betrayal

of the second Trump term may not be foreign policy. That's the most damaging thing. Trump or

any American president has ever done, beginning a fruitless war with Iran and thereby destroying our empire and probably our dollar. But in terms of a political betrayal, what Trump has not done in immigration is more profound because there's you probably won't find a single Trump voter who disagreed with Trump's views and immigration. And once again, this is why Trump was able to move from the private sector as a branding guy to the White House as an American

president was on the basis of his promises on immigration. So for him to betray those promises is profound. And it's understandable that most people voted for him can't metabolize this. Don't want to deal with it. Want to believe we've sealed the border and everything's fine.

“But at a certain point, it's important to know exactly where we are. Not just speculate about it,”

or cite some study from Yale on what's the state of illegal immigration in the United States, but talk to the guy who ran it, Greg Bavino, who ran border patrol, who has the actual numbers on this question. How many illegal aliens are in the United States? These are people who are foreign nationals, who are living here illegally, who have broken the law to get here in a

collect benefits and send their kids to public school and to use the emergency room at public expense, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And these are not minor laws. These are core laws that if you broke, you would be punished for breaking. So how many of those are there? How many

“we're in this country? The day Trump was inaugurated January 20th, 2025 and how many are here now?”

We're the real numbers. No one has pointed this out. Democrats have no incentive to point it out, of course. I shot a couple protesters last year. And so the emphasis has been on that. They're murderous thugs. Okay. We can debate that. Obviously shooting on our people is bad and

never defend it. But that's not the whole story. The whole story is that immigration enforcement

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Trump administration. Randboarder Patrol has the actual numbers on this stuff. Was there while

“it was happening? We believe he is telling the truth. You should listen carefully to this interview”

and you should pay special and very close attention to his description of what the administration is now trying to do to him. It's shocking. Greg Bavino. Greg Bavino, thank you very much for doing this. So just to kind of set it in context, what is the state of illegal immigration in the United States today? To the extent that we know, like how many illegal immigrants live in the United States, how many have been deported since Trump elected, et cetera? Like, where are we?

Tucker, thanks for having me. Oh, good to see you, of course. State of illegal immigration. One word comes to mind that's catastrophe. Right now in the United States, I've got the number of 107

million illegal aliens currently residing with impunity. I might add in the United States today.

7,107 million, one quarter of the population. We've got 330,000 approximately American citizens

“at another 107 million onto that. I think you can look around in any state, any region, or any”

city in the United States if you're just a regular American citizen and say, well, you know what? There's an awful lot of illegal aliens and foreigners in our country. Yeah, I mean, it's a completely different country because it's got a completely different population. And you're discouraged from saying that for some reason, people are bullied into silence on the question, but I mean, it's not the same country's time in close. And, you know,

better in some ways, worse in a lot of ways, but it's totally different. And I assume that was

most of the because of legal immigration, but 107 million illegal, illegal, the ones that came

right across that border, and not only over the past few years under the Biden administration, but look at what's happened over the past 40 years. Why are we fighting a war with Iran? Sorry. Well, it makes me mad. Why are we using our 1.5 trillion dollar military to fight a war across the world when we have 107 million illegal aliens in our country? We've said it many times in the board of patrol, the war is on American soil. The war, the effort, that true effort is on

American soil. So I agree with you on that 100% Tucker is the war is on American soil and it's not a war to simply deport. There's 107 million illegal aliens. This is survival of the species, ladies, and gentlemen, we are at that precipice of are we going to remain the United States, the country

different? If we don't do something quick and fight that war here on American soil, we're there.

“But I mean, that was the whole point of getting Trump elected twice was to stop illegal immigration,”

build a wall, which he didn't do. And then okay, we'll give another chance 2024, higher Greg Bovino to run border patrol, Tom Homan, tough on immigration, or whatever, like Steven Miller. He means it and the one thing you knew about Trump was we were going to deport people who were here illegally because they have no right to be or the break in the law. I go to jail. If I break the law, but if you're from a foreign country, you get subsidies to come here. If you break the law, like

it doesn't make any sense. But that hasn't happened. Has it? It happened for that very short period of time in the interior, when the Board of Patrol and the U.S. Board of Patrol was in the interior

and then with the surrender in Minnesota, it stopped the 77 million voters voted for mass deportations.

I guess they didn't matter anymore. But it does matter. It matters to you. It matters to me. It matters to the 77 million people at matters to this 22,000 Board of Patrol agents who put their life on the line in those cities to have that rug jerked out from under them by those homens in this commission of Rodney Scott's. Okay, so without getting, you know, the federal government is its own field of study. Okay, you could get a PhD in it and still understand it.

It's the largest human organization in history. It's spent $7 trillion a year, so like it's hard to understand what it is. But in terms that non experts can understand, what is the difference between the Border Patrol and ICE? A vast difference. The U.S. Board of Patrol is the uniformed branch of Department of Homeland Security, CBP and the U.S. Board. They wear uniforms. They wear uniforms just like a police officer. You might see in a city. They wear uniforms.

They are the immigration police. The uniformed immigration police. Then we've got ICE Board of Patrol. They've been around forever, right? Been here 102 years and they've had that interior border mission for all 102 years. It was the U.S. Board of Patrol, the Marine Corps federal law enforcement, that expeditionary force that would go into the United States over those 102 years and there are many examples of that to deport up to millions of illegal aliens.

It's always been their mission, and right now that uniformed immigration force is standing

shoulder to shoulder on the border, staring south, twiddling their thumbs, largest board of Patrol in history now taken off the table. The most highly trained immigration police that you have taken right out of the game. Why would you take your pro squad or your varsity squad out of the game? I'm totally confused. So there are two parts of this question. The border, the line between the United States and Mexico and Canada, and then there's the question of illegal the 177

illegal aliens living in the country. So you often hear people say we'll be sealed the borders.

“So Trump succeeded. I don't think that's correct. I don't think that's what success is,”

but have the borders been sealed. The borders are under control more than they ever have been in my lifetime. However, when you don't have that interior immigration enforcement, that mass deportation, what does that do to your border? What does that do to the cartels and the transnational criminal organizations that are going to push people across that border? No defense in history has ever been 100% none will ever be 100%. What does that do? Well, you know,

if I make it past those Border Patrol agents who are standing on the line in facing south, how'd got a freebie? Tucker, I got a freebie. I got a freebie because if I get into the interior, there are no mass deportations occurring. There is the worst of the worst, and the targeted criminal enforcement that sounds so great. What illegal alien crossing the border is going to say, "Well, gosh, I'm the worst of the worst. I better not cross." None of them think that. So what that

does to your border is that makes your border less secure, and you will see that over a period of time, that they are going to try and come across that border, and they will. They'll succeed, because all they have to do is make it into the interior. Once they make it into the interior, they're up against dice. You ask what the difference between nice and Border Patrol. Ice fantastic. There's some patriots there. I love the Ice agents. I worked with them for that year

“tough individuals. They got a tough mission, but remember, that is your non-uniformed”

immigration officers, the ones that go into jails and arrest known criminals, long-term investigations. They're your plain closed detectives. Tucker, would you send New York City police detectives

you're going to go tackle violent street crime now." And our uniform police officers were going to

stand by and do something else. Absolutely not. Well, that's what's happening right now. So when did Border Patrol stop policing the interior of the country for illegal immigration?

“Well, most recently, it was our surrender in Minnesota, but before that, you have to remember the”

US Border Patrol had interior Border Patrol stations, places like Little Rock, Arkansas, Oklahoma City, Las Vegas, Amarillo, Texas, Dallas, Texas, all over the interior, it was because they were that interior immigration force when needed to go in and pacify a region in the area or a city so that then those plain closed detectives who do a great job could then take a pacified area and keep it pacified. That's the way that whole thing has worked for 102 years. That's been

upended. That doesn't happen now. Why is that? Well, you told me, why is that? When did that stop?

Minnesota. You know, the great, I call it the great surrender. The great surrender in Minnesota, when Commissioner Rodney Scott and Tom Holman decided to come in after who are they? Uh, that is. Customs and Border Patrol, Commissioner Rodney Scott. And what's his background? Uh, Border Patrol, Career Border Patrol. Okay. Career boards should know. She'll know what the Border Patrol is to be used for. And Tom Holman is who. He's our borders are. A prior ice

official spin is whole year with ice. I believe he was a Border Patrol agent for about a year. And then jumped on over to to the plain closed division there. So you've got those two individuals that remember, they were silent completely silent for that year. When those Border Patrol agents were

battling it out in a two front war in those cities, a two front war, what's the two front war?

Battling the bad people and bad things, the cartels and the illegal aliens and the criminals, and then battling the Pritzers, the nuisums, the mega bases, and the politicians. Where were they during that year? But then Minnesota, all of a sudden they show up and say, we're here to save the day in Minnesota. What was saving the day? Surrendering interior and force. They surrendered. That was saving the day. So your interior enforcement stopped the day.

The Border Patrol was sent out of Minnesota. That was the decision that the President made. And I, you know, I can't say that was his decision because he didn't. The President had good salt with me on that. I understood that it was his denounced it. Anyway, when he announced they were they were coming to Minnesota. Yeah. You know, I think it's the President's team that has that conspiracy not to to conduct interior enforcement.

It's that team. I think he gets some bad information. He's got some hellacious gatekeepers. I don't give him much credit for doing anything immigration related because they're doing nothing. But talking about a gatekeeper. In other words, someone that can control that information flow to the big man, they do one hell of a job. They're doing nothing really for immigration enforcement inside the United States. Now, it's some targeted enforcement. You hear

an operation here, an operation there. There was one in Maryland. I think they had 1,200 arrests last week, something like that. What what that is is that's we're going to do an operation,

“spread that splash that across the headlines and gaslight America into thinking that's what we do”

every single day all across the United States when nothing could be further from the truth, walk out on the street and look, walk out on the street, walk to a home deep out and take a look at what's in the parking lot at home deep out. Does it look like there's nasty portations in interior enforcement occurring? Absolutely not because let me tell you, the illegally insurance scared right now. Not at all. So the phrase "dadbot" is obviously a

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United States, the date Trump was sworn in, would you say? For the second term, I would say the

107 million then. And how many now would you say there are in the country? 105 million because

Christina, when the U.S. Board of Journal did, calls the self deportations to occur during that year, lines at the airport going south, like you wouldn't believe. That's not happening now.

“Do you think this, do you think they're about one and a half million self deportations?”

Yeah, approximately. Yes. How many deportations by force? Five to 600,000 maybe. Maybe. Okay. So you think that after all of that, and all the drama that ensued, that there are still 105 million illegal aliens in the United States right now. Absolutely. Absolutely. You bet 105 solid. Could be more than that, even.

Duckers. Does anyone else know this? You know, if you've got a population of 3334 million

and 105 million illegal aliens, I mean, that's like the craziest number I've ever heard. Do you really think that's the real number? Absolutely. And you know, I guess you would know, right? Because you ran for patrol. Yeah. And one, seeing what's coming across the border and then juxtaposing that with what we saw in the cities and regions we were in, and then even taking a look at some of the numbers, something as simple as a traffic pattern. Charlotte, North Carolina's

got a fantastic example. Take a look at commuters going to work. Commuters going to work in Charlotte, when we arrived for that five day operation, Operation Charlottesweb, the commute went from terrible to exceptional. So we started doing some studies. I had the staff, hey, do a study on the traffic. Let's extrapolate some numbers. What does it take to have an exceptional commute

“to work? To do that, you need to remove about 30 approximately 30 35 percent of the commuters.”

And they took a look at the number of commuters going. I think it was, I want to say around 200,

and I can't remember the exact number now. But 30 percent, what is that 30 percent equal? It starts

equalling that 107 million, which is, you know, a similar percentage of the American population. What is that, you know, 25 percent of the American population? So we looked at the commuters. Then we looked at absentee rates from Charlotte and Mecklenberg schools. 30 percent of students didn't show up in Charlotte Mecklenberg. What is that start looking like? It starts looking like 107 million's a pretty accurate figure. We saw the same thing in Chicago,

the same thing in Los Angeles. Los Angeles, that commute went from terrible to better than exceptional. How many commuters do we take off the, take out of the equation in Los Angeles to make that drive in America's worst traffic, traffic getting, to make it really good. And they're like, wow, and these commuters really good. Think about what that took. So we have a crowded poor country, which we do because of illegal migrations, which you're saying.

“Yes, and I am saying that 100 percent, I think that a majority of our problems are downstream”

of immigration, whether it's something as simple as a commute to work, but something more insidious and more important, such as affordability for housing for our young people. 107 million people in our country. What does that do to housing? What does that do to welfare, jail, schools, hospitals? What does that do to any service that an American citizen should think they have access to? It occludes it. Occludes it at the point where they don't have it.

Take a look at our natural resources. I'm a big natural resource. I'm a conservationist. I'm too. Look at what's happening to our natural resources. We had Teddy Roosevelt and Gifford Pincheau, and they started that conservation movement along with Americans. That conservation movement is over 100 years old now. It's been destroyed in many areas of the country in 10 years. A hundred years of conservation destroyed in 10 years, entire ecosystems wiped out by

illegal aliens. Look at the ginseng harvest in our eastern forests. Many of those poor mountain families from where I'm from there in the Appalachian Mountains. Harvested ginseng for hundreds of years since Daniel Boom all the way to the mid-1990s. They can't do that anymore. Why? It's been

what? Let's drop off 15 illegal aliens. We'll scour the entire mountain side. Take every single

“bit of it in a non-sustainable harvest. And take it off. But that's everything. Getting to it,”

hey, it's not just ginseng. That's everything. So I did a research paper on that. Back in 2012, they wouldn't let me publish it in the board of patrol. It was destruction of our nation's natural resources by the illegal aliens. Wouldn't let me publish it? Why? They said it was too controversial. They told the truth. So it was too controversial for a border patrol agent to note that illegal immigration was destroying our natural resources. Imagine that. Yes. Try several times.

Just national suicide. That's obviously bad. Yeah, you bet. So every facet of our our natural resources are under attack. You know, we're having water problems out west. They're telling us running out of water. We're running out of water. They're telling us we may have rolling blackouts because we don't have enough electricity. Everything is downstream of immigration. No pun intended, but the water problem out west, we can fix that. Oh, and about two

years. Deport 107 million of those illegal aliens taking your and my water and my resources.

Problem solved. We're a searer club. Hey, we're all the environmental groups. They don't seem to really care and all of a sudden. You know, I guess that's okay. You know, if it's illegal aliens, you know, not a problem. If Tucker Carlson and Greg Bavina drops a little bit of oil, you know, out of your car on the pavement, my God, a hells to pay. It's called the DSP, the double standard phenomena, which is also right in America. The double standard phenomenon, illegal aliens get a,

they get a pass. You don't because you're one of those dastardly American citizens who is apparently the devil to the world, but on a legal alien that actually uses those resources

“and hurt your culture, your species. That's okay. See you every day, and I think you do too.”

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“and I think if you were to pull Trump voters and ask, and I think a lot of them would say I'm”

disappointed by this or that, but the one upside is immigration enforcement. I think if you told them

that there are 105 million illegal aliens, not green card holders, illegal aliens have no

right to be here, living here in violation of the law, and living in almost all cases on public support. I mean, whether it's schools, roads, hospitals, or direct support from the states, I think they wouldn't even believe you. I think Trump voters really think that the administration has done a great job on immigration because Fox News has told them that. The gas lighting masterclass. Masterclass has been a simple. Well, again, the operations that they conduct.

Hey, you know what? Largest amount of illegal aliens, or largest amount of aliens deported, you know, in the past 50 years just took place last week. Hey, where do the numbers? I can't seem to get the numbers. Your social media influers just can't seem to get the numbers, but they're sure touting the numbers out there. And what are the numbers? I haven't seen the numbers. If this is really happening, then how is it that 250 board-upital agents on those interior

operations pretty much shut down on large sections of the country where we didn't see an illegal alien? They weren't going to hospitals, jail, schools, or anything else because they either self-deporting or buttoning up. That's not happening now. So, if what you say is really

saw it over that past year during Operation Large, Operation Midway Blitz, Charlotteswell,

Operation Cadillacruc, and then the surrender in Minnesota. You would see that. You would see it with your own eyes. You know, it's not some ethereal concept. However, you can see that kind of thing with your own eyes. And American citizens that come up to us on the streets came up to us on the streets and come up to me on the streets now. They say, gosh, it sure was a different story when you guys were out. When the Mean Green team was out there on the streets, taking it to them,

wow, everything was different. We finally had hope. You're not getting that now from people

“that are actually up against illegal immigration most especially. And this is key here, our young”

people. Those young conservatives, wow, now there are a bunch of individuals that are seeing this. I get more comments and more rhetoric from them than anybody I have ever seen. They are not happy their future. They understand it's being taken away. It has been taken away. And you know,

Tucker, something very powerful here. One of those young young conservatives came up to me and said,

you know, we've only heard stories of America. We've only heard the story of America. I'm like, what do you mean the story of America? We are American. There's no story. He goes, we don't know what America is. People like you tell us what America. People like Tucker say, this is what America used to be like. We've only heard the story of America. That was the most powerful thing I've ever heard. Being a board of a intelligent is this young person that doesn't even know

“what real America is because it's been taken from them. A lot of it through illegal immigration.”

And you know, they better wake up. Some of these people that have betrayed us. Some of those gatekeepers that I just talked about better wake up because there's a lot of pissed off people out there, especially the young. They did a big part in ensuring that there was somebody in office that would take care of immigration. Very unhappy campers right now. And they don't blame them a bit. They should be unhappy. And they are sharpening spears dancing around the campfire right now.

They have every reason, too. One measure of border security is the presence of narcotics that are manufactured outside the country. And cocaine is one that cocaine's a pretty good measure because we don't grow cocaine here. So all cocaine, at least the base cocaine base comes from outside the country, comes from the Andes. So in 1985 the average cost of a gram of highly impure cocaine majority baby-lexitive cocaine was $100 a gram. And you had to drive some sketchy area and rolled

on you going to invite it in risk your life. The price now in many American cities, particularly in Texas is $50 a gram for almost totally pure cocaine that you can have delivered to your house within like 10 minutes, no risk. So that tells me that we don't have secure borders. If the price of cocaine and that's not adjusted for inflation, those are just the straight numbers, $100 and 1985, $50 now. So that's like, I don't even know what the inflation adjustment would be. But that's like

$5 a gram, you know, in 1985 dollars. Clearly we're not keeping drugs out, right? Exactly.

Exactly. And that's where those nasty portations are so very important that $175 million is so very

important. We saw that in those cities. Look at the double-digit drops in crime in those cities when those cocaine traffickers, when those human traffickers, whatever traffickers couldn't traffic any more double-digit drops in crime when you take a, we're not taking away the people that use it. A lot of those American citizens dumb enough to do that kind of thing. But we're just going to remove everyone that traffics it, that knows it's being trafficked. As anything to do with it being

“traffic, we're just going to do away with them. I think he did start out really good. He was”

blowing some drug boats up the fentanyl. Fentanyl kills a lot of people. It's terrible stuff. Just like cocaine and anything else. Hey, that was good. That was taking place simultaneously with us in those cities, taking it to the illegal aliens. Hey, that gave me hope. I was like, "Wow, they're actually bombing boats in the water." Well, if you're going to take away board of control from the interior, are you really going to be that serious? Are you going to

bomb a boat and do what Rodney Scott and Tom Holman do? Do it one time splash across the headlines and say, "Yeah, we're really taking it to him and you did one time." So I have a little bit confused. So, home in, I've interviewed several times, says he's very against illegal immigration and has a pistol and an ankle holster and kind of seems like a rough and ready, no BS kind of guy who's dedicated his life to fighting illegal immigration. You worked with them. Tell us, is that

something like that, inevitably, and it's a must-do. You better have your ass out there on the front lines with your people bleeding. Next to them, especially in the most violent law enforcement, domestic law enforcement mission that's faced the U.S. in its history, the most, and I'm even including prohibition in this one now. Where were these individuals during that year of pure unadulated violence? I didn't see him. Where was Commissioner Rodney Scott missing an action?

Where was, where was Tom Holman? Nice guy. He, you know, fun guy to talk to. Probably a great guy to have a whiskey with. Where was he? ankle holster and all? Where were they? Better get your butt out there with your people bleed and be ready to make that ultimate sacrifice next to them. You're not too good. You're not too good to do that. None of you are. You better get out there and do that. So I would

pose that question back to you as my answer is, well, where were they? I never saw them. Not once.

Never even heard from them. Never had a conversation. Nothing. Silence. But they're not silent now. Still not out there, but not silent. More of a, we're going to take us off the approach. I guess maybe that's the, that's the thing. What does that mean? A soft approach. A soft approach means we're not going to be out there doing this general immigration raids. We're not going to conduct

“total spectrum immigration enforcement, which is what you have to do if you're going to win this”

battle. Total spectrum immigration. That means everything brought to bear against that enemy. In other words, we're talking about the war being fought on American soil. It's going to take an effort like that. A total warfare. What they're talking about is a limited form of enforcement. Sort of like war war two versus Vietnam. What do we do in Vietnam? Well, you know, we're going to do some precision limited strikes here and we're not going to go total warfare and we're going to lose

where is war war two? Total spectrum warfare, whatever it takes we do. So that's what the soft approaches is. We're going to do a precision strike. Hey, a precision strike, tuckers never want to war by the way. It won't. Let's do a precision strike there in Maryland. They did that last week. Make us good apprehensions as those ice agents are the greatest. Love them. They're like

board of Georgia patriots. But that'll never win 105 million illegal aliens. You have to do

something else. You're not going to put handcuffs on 105 million people. We only got two years left to do that. By the way, you need to encourage and mandate those self deportations and those large-scale efforts that it's going to take. It won't be neat clean and easy. Of course, it's

“not we never said it would be. That's what you have to do. A soft approach is the opposite of that.”

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milligrams and eight milligrams because if you're going to use nicotine, you ought to have some options. Get the new Frontier Collection out out pouch.com/tucker. Why not just enforce ID laws? Like we have AI. How does anybody have a fake Social Security Carter or fake driver's license? And yet millions, tens of millions of people do. I don't think I can get away with that. How are they allowed to get away with DSP, double standard

phenomenon? It is alive and well in this country. It's one of those unenforced, but if you had a fake

“Social Security card and tried to open a bank account, I think you'd risk jail for that. Right?”

Absolutely. Absolutely. You bet. But who's going to go after Anole Galean for that when I don't know the Trump administration was he just elected to do this? Didn't you get the majority of the popular vote to do this? Yes. Absolutely. That's not filing. You're not shooting anybody. It's like you can't use fake federal documents. I'm not allowed to use fake federal. No, I'm serious. How can you get an airplane if you're here illegally?

I mean, they facial recognition of the freaking airport. We're all totally monitored at all times. So if you've got 105 illegally aliens in your country, someone wants them there. Someone in power, like Donald Trump, or whoever is making these decisions. What is this? Yes, what is this? It's a

farce. It's a farce. It's a slap in the face. But we can still win it. Here's the thing, though.

Democrats are about to take power in two months. At that point, the chances that, you know,

you think Republicans are going to win in 2021, I mean, after this, won't run, no. So they're all going to be legalized. That's it. And then you're just, it's a totally different country done. If that happens, done. Every American, how is that not going to happen? Well, we can still do it. We can still do it. Look, we've proof-concepted how to do this in the, in the interior, when the U.S. Border Patrol leading efforts in the, the proof-concepts there, it's just on a

much larger scale. It's also bringing Ma and Pa America into the fight, bringing the taxpayer

“into the fight. Remember, that was something in our strategy that was well in motion. You've”

got to bring them into the fight every day citizens, like a victory garden in World War II. We're going to do our part. But they think they've already won. They've been told by the administration and Fox News that, you know, that, this is the upside of Trump, all the downsides is the upside. You've got what you wanted in the immigration. Yeah. Well, I'm here to say, sorely mistaken, and absolutely not. You've got, you've gotten, you scratch the surface.

But look around you. Look around and see what that's like out on the streets. Look at what, look at what our African Americans are facing in those cities. I get so many calls for from conservative Black saying, you did the police come back to Chicago or LA or wherever because that was

the only first and only time. The our community is really truly had any assistance from anybody.

“They were no one in charge cares about Black people. They had all the gaps. There's schools have”

been destroyed. The murder rates out of control. They're being replaced by illegal aliens and literally nobody care. Nobody, nobody cares. And their families have been here for 350 years and nobody cares. Nobody gives a damn. Nobody gives a damn about that. But you know what? I tell you, Pritzer Governor Pritzer there in Illinois. He had he once we started in fourth ward and some of those wards and the Black folks came out and were supporting us. You could tell they were getting

a little edgy. They were like, oh, they're on to something, you know. And what a great, what a great story for a home or a Rodney Scott. And if they're going to sit back in a safe seat in DC to talk about silence, silence, your own citizens coming out in force to support the US border patrol of all people, of all people. And what a story, what a miss. What a miss by that bunch of gate guards. Unbelievable. Who are the gate guards? I two of them there, I've mentioned, yeah, the fantastic ones

they're like, they're fantastic. At guarding the gate, guarding the gate, guarding that community president. You bet. I think if Trump knew what you and I were talking about, you know, I think if you are I could sit across from him and say, hey, here's the real deal that you haven't been getting. I think you might, you know what? I think you would actually reverse course because in the reason I say this is look at what we did that first year. Once we started, hey, we got calls from Trump.

He called the board of patrol. He called us. Man, you guys are doing great. Kick their ass. We've got your back. Kick, but we're going to take this thing. He said that. Gate guards come in. You know, so I think Caesar was probably up against that. There are many thousands of years ago

same thing. You can see the jackals and the hane is they always come in, nip at the tinnons.

“And I think that's what happened. I think that if he was to hear what was really going on,”

hear what Americans are thinking and saying, hearing the young people out there and then hearing some of the conspiracies that have actually taken place under his watch by those individuals, he'd be like, wow, wait a second. Like what? Well, you know, surrender in Minnesota. You know, people say, well, you retired. I did. I retired. That neat clean and easy. I just a little tired and decided to retire. Hey, Tucker, I got some gas in the tank. You know, retirement there.

If they want you gone, if those gate guards want you gone, better watch out. They'll come for you. They will come for you. Come for your retirement. They'll come for everything. And, um, did that happen to you? Absolutely. Every bit of the way. Every bit of the way. You know, when you play a hard game, you can expect hard treatments. I get that. But not a two front war. Hard treatment should be me in the criminals, not the two front or of me and the folks that are

supposedly your friends. You know, the minute I get the minute I left, security detail gets pulled. I'm the one of the highest if not the highest threats in DHS death threats. I mean, you name it,

Stroke a midnight came, those Border Patrol agents refused to leave my house.

And I had to direct order. Hey, no, you're, you're, you're leaving. Because I'm not in the Border Patrol anymore. And, you know what? I knew this. I didn't say that to them. They'll come for you also. They'll come for you also. So, the administration. Yeah, absolutely. Yes, you bet. But Anthony Fauci still has federal security. We're paying Anthony Fauci's security detail. He doesn't work for the government anymore. He's put the whole life on the federal

teeth. And he still has secret service protection. Anthony Fauci, who committed crimes, but you don't because the administration didn't want you to have security. Why? I, I think to silence me

“because you like get your killed because that's what it sounds like. Do I think they want me dead at”

this point? Yes. I'm in a running battle every time I go out. I mean, every time this citizens am a in community are like, what is going on with you? These people come, there's some crazy out there. You know, you know this, Tucker. And you bet, do I think they want me killed? Absolutely. You know, the administration? Yeah, absolutely. Or more of the gate guards. I don't think Trump would. I think if Trump knew what they had done and what they would do to Border Patrol

agents or ice officers or anyone that disagrees with them, I think he would have an absolute panic attack or a heart attack over something. But you think home and once you go on dead, I think Rodney Scott, he's the one that took my security detail away with with home in there. Yeah, absolutely. You bet. Why? You know, that's a pretty heavy thing to say. And if I wasn't from Washington, I probably wouldn't believe you, but I do believe you since I am. Sure. Well,

you know, I wouldn't have believed it either. But with what was coming at me the minute I retired, I thought, well, yeah, I'll probably get some security there. You know, they're coming after other family members as well or family members. Absolutely. Through the mail, there was one point where the FBI had to intercept every single piece of mail because there were some bad things coming in the mail, that kind of thing. And just the vast amount

of death threats. I got docs yesterday by WBTV, Channel 3 in Charlotte, North Carolina. And what way? Trying to name home addresses. They got the actual, oh, yes, yes, you bet. Now, I've got a different address with my girlfriend out at a different place, but

“they did do that. And when that happens over and over and over, what can you name a channel again?”

A WBTV, Channel 3. Why would it be part of the news gathering process to put your home address on a TV channel? You know, I think that that's something that we saw in those cities with an absolute out of control, so-called news media. They're not a news media. And when they do things like they're not a news media, they're a propaganda arm. They're an enforcement arm at that point, an intimidation arm, you bet. But the only problem is I'm not an intimidator. I wouldn't

be your talk into you. Hey, they tried to take my legal representation away or probably already who did? That was home and in the gate guards. Your legal representation. In other words, if you're sued for actions taken in your official capacity at Border Patrol, you don't get legal representation. You're supposed to. Absolutely. If it was under the performance of your duties under the color of law, and you weren't doing something illegal. Right. Yeah. Then absolutely every minute of the day,

but apparently others don't see it that way. How do you know that? You know, I got a call from another Border Patrol chief, a retired chief, who got a call from them, say, and if you don't stop, we're taking it away. Stop what? Stop coming on Tucker Carlson and pointing out through there's

still 105 million illegal aliens in the country. You bet. And um, and did that? His people.

Yeah, I can't say he did. His people, yes. You bet. Again, I've interviewed the guy a number of times I hope he'll come back. I'd love to ask him about this. Absolutely. Yeah, maybe that would hell, I'd like to ask him about it. Have you talked to him since you left? No. So I'd love to put a finer point. I mean, first of all, what you said is shocking. Everything you've said is shocking. And really, really distressing and dark. If you think home in and this other guy want you dead,

“I mean, that's like, it's unbelievable. Now proofs in the pudding. I think it's fair.”

But why? I'd love to know a little more precisely why they're so mad at you.

I think when we have big labor, or I'm sorry, cheap labor, politicians. Yeah, we're a very powerful

force. I didn't realize they were this powerful force. That puts a lot of pressure on some individuals.

that for sure, but there's something there behind the scenes that causes that to happen. It doesn't

just happen just for the hell of it. Let's have Bovino dead. But not because voters want it, voters wanted to get back to the sort of pre lunatic American population. They don't want to live in a crowded poor country who wants that. Nobody wants to live in Bangladesh. So like, this is nuts.

“And that's what voters wanted. That's why they elected Trump. That in no new foreign wars.”

And then the donors convinced Trump to fight a foreign war that voters did out want. And it sounds like don't donors also push Trump to stop immigration enforcement. Yes, you think that's true. I do absolutely. You bet. I mean, look at some of the politicians that came out against me, or Christine Oames, specifically after the surrender in Minnesota, the Kennedy's at a Louisianner, McCall, represent a McCall at a Texas. Yes. Why would they say those things?

Like, what did McCall say? I believe he said that we were at a control and two aggressive, something like that. Do you find it interesting? So McCall is a tool of the intelligencies that happens to know. And I mean that. And I hope he'll come on and explain how I'm wrong, but he knows I'm not wrong because I've talked about it directly. But I have noticed a connection between the people who were like, not very loyal to the United States and very into fighting wars on behalf of

other nations. They're also very against immigration enforcement. I've noticed that. If you notice that, I have in some of the people, and I've noticed that over my career, some people that I would think, oh, they're going to be good on immigration. The worst, I remember when when Bush was elected, we were rejoicing in the people. Oh man, this is going to be great. He was just as bad as Hillary Clinton or worse. Of course, worse. Again, to two front more, stabbing you in the back.

While you're out fighting bad guys, same thing now except worse. Even worse than Bush was this, very much like this administration, you know, spent all of its time, all of its our money, all of their energy, fighting a war in the Middle East, and then they're for changing the American population with illegal immigration at the same time. It's so weird. I don't understand the connection. All of it is bad for America. Maybe that's the

connection. Tucker, this is, in my opinion, of course, the greatest issue and greatest threat that our nation is faced since its founding. Of course. And I'm including the civil war in that.

“I think the civil war's child's play compared to what we're facing now because”

this ends at all. 105 million illegal aliens get amnesty and start voting, which it appears that,

you know, the thumb-tellist, thumb-tellists, the McCalls, and the rest of that game want that. When they start voting, everything's gone. If you think your second men, it's gone. That's second women's gone. Everything's gone. Everything that you hold dear, your culture, your values, traditions, everything. They don't care. You know, Tucker, they don't care about your history. Nor the American history because that which is Robert Heinlen said at the best. He wrote

Starship Troopers. That which is given has an value. That which is given has no value. We just gave them citizenship. They will hate you for that. They'll abort you for that. They do abort us for that. You can already see it. The entitlement mentality. It's not an entitlement. They just hate Americans because we're stupid enough to do it. And when you give someone something like that, they don't care if your granddad died of Eugenma or your great, great,

great granddad at Gettysburg or maybe you had an ancestor that was a founding father. They could give a damn about that. They don't care. When that ceases to be a reality here in our country, you're in my country. You're done. Right now, we're at the precipice of either solving or bowing down to the greatest threat that we have ever faced since the founding.

“I strongly agree with that. It seems very obvious and that's why there's so little national”

cohesion. The upside, however, for the people in charge, is an immigrant population as much easier to control. They don't believe that the bill of rights is real or applies to them. They don't have natural rights. They don't know and told them what that is. So you can kind of do whatever you want to them and call yourself the hero of the story. And you see it with rich people in their house keepers who all secretly hate them. But they're totally convinced that Catalina loves me. I'm the

hero to her. There is a kind of psychology, the rich white lady psychology around this. Because the democratic plantation owners, the new plantation owners, and that's the way they even act like it. These are leaders. These French left liberal socials act like that.

Like plantation owners. Oh, I know. It's absolutely amazing the way the what they do. And

So how did when Kristinoum left was forced out and then replaced by one of the slowest

“famously, one of the slowest. But certainly one of the most liberal members of the United States”

Senate, Mark Wayne Mullin, which he is. He's extremely liberal and because he's from Oklahoma, like nobody seems to get that, but he is. Particularly an immigration and foreign policy. I mean, it's like giving it to Lindsey Graham. How did that, why would you put Mark Wayne Mullin a liberal, a comaliharous liberal in that role? Exactly. I think when we talk about those donors that donor class, getting someone confirmed, why would you not put a liberal? And you're

going to get enough votes from the crazy Democrats. And then you're going to get the support from the big labor rhinos, just like they did with Commission Rodney Scott. He sailed through the confirmation. Folks, you know what? He's bringing back Biden era individuals into CBP right now as we

speak. The ones that let the $30 million in, actually? Yo, you bet. Yes. Does the White House know this?

You know, I don't think, again, I think the gate guards keep it so guarded. I don't think we're even Miller. I thought he was this big. I don't know. I Stevie bet. You got some work. Do their buddy. Got some work to do their Stevie. But I'm just confused because wasn't this the issue that

“defined them? Yes. Yes. It was. So that's how, that's how someone like a Mark Mullin is put into a”

position like that. There are a certain class of people that love a Mullin. Hey, you know, Mullin, what is he listening to? He's listening to Tom Holman Rodney Scott. Worst of the worst in targeting. That's really all he can, that's all he can regurgitate. And for people who haven't heard that talking point, that means we're going after the really bad ones. They're really bad ones. Worst of the criminal aliens, the terrorists, child molesters, you know, folks that are committed

murder, whatever. The worst of the week was criticized his real stuff like that. Really the really bad. The ones who deserve the death penalty. And I will say that that is the opposite of what we should be doing. That is not a threat to your nation. Let me say this again. A lot of people think I'm crazy. That's not the threat to your nation as the worst to the worst. The threat to your nation is your

run of the mill. Either Galalian that we've just said, the 105 million that don't share your

cultures, your values that don't care about anything related to America that have been given, that want to be given citizenship. That's far more of a threat. Hey, we can get those criminal aliens anytime. That record's not going away. We can get them anytime. Anytime. Right now, we've got that window to get that regular run of the mill, illegally, alien, maybe a landscaper, maybe it doesn't have a criminal record in the U.S. Even though we still are criminal because

across the border, illegally, they're all criminals. We've probably had does have a criminal record in a foreign country that we won't know about. But that is far more of a threat to you, me and our values than an MS-13 gang. Well, it's certainly a threat to our justice system because I'm like, why should I obey the law? Why am I going? Why do I have a seat belt alarm in my car? Constantly getting lectured about everything, all the time from everybody in authority,

“$18 a pack, cigarettes, just like an unaffordable life, and a legal code that you have to”

hire or lawyer to understand whether you're in compliance and you better know whether you're in

compliance because go to jail or get fined if you're not. And then 105 million people get to just

like give the finger to the U.S. code and nobody does anything about it. It's like, why am I obeying the law? Like, why? Does that make sense? Not a lick of sense, but what it is is, it's a litmus test. The litmus test took place over this past year with that interior enforcement campaign. Hey, you know what? We don't agree with that law. We don't agree with the immigration laws that are enshrined in the INA, the immigration and nationality act in those court decisions and in the

Constitution and everything. We don't agree with that. So we're going to riot and we're going to murder whatever we've got to do because we don't agree with that law. That's a litmus test because if you don't agree with an immigration law and do away with it, do away with the board of trolls surrender, you can do that with anything. You can do that with the any law. They're not just that was just mob rules. Mob really exactly. The most violent group gets to do whatever it wants. It does.

You and me will pay the price if we do something right now. You're right. They'll be on us in an instant. But the 105 million, not so much, back to the natural resources. I interviewed many game wardens throughout the 50 states. And they said, you know, a lot of times we won't even

he beats a side of court. He walks out of the courtroom before we even do. Nothing happens.

I'm not going to waste my time doing that. Now you or me, we do something. You're done. You're done. And try shooting a rough grass on a Sunday in the state of Maine. Yeah, as a as a legal resident. Yes. Yeah. I know. But Gill and that 100 fish is an

“illegally and the hat. That's what they're doing now. Because they see our natural resources is”

something for them, not something to conserve, preserve or conserve. Gill and that. Gill and that. They'll just throw a Gill and that in the water. During this, when I was writing this research paper, I was of hard to actually what was happening, they'll Gill and that fish catch 50 of them. When you actually Gill net fish. Yes. And you or me, our limit may be two or three or whatever the limit is. I don't kill any fish. And I think I might shoot someone for Gill netting. That's

I mean, that's a moral and I'm not for shooting anybody. But I would be tempted to shoot someone for Gill netting. That is so outrageous. It is. Happens all the time. Seriously? Yes. Yes. You know, I wish I had brought my paper. I'll send you a copy of my paper. I don't want to read it. And so upset just hearing. All facets of our conservation effort are under siege. All facets. Like destroying God's creation in our country. Yes. And destroying our sustainable resources.

You know, we're sportsmen, sportsmen, sports women. Because we have a sustainable system

producing. Is we, you know what? Tell me about it. Do you think that the third world

gives a crap about that? No, because they don't do it in their countries. So they come here see ours. They don't have to obviously pay attention. What's the Trump administration doing to to fix the problem you're describing right now? Are they're letting all the Gill aliens go during operations? They let 20 go in North Carolina three weeks ago, three weeks ago, last Sunday on one of our wild and scenic rivers. I think they apprehended 10.

They allowed 20 to walk in one of those wild and scenic areas in rich resources were being destroyed. Are you serious? Yes. Absolutely. I tweeted about it or X about it or whatever that is. tweeted about it. And they said their systems were down. Their computer systems were now probably these individuals were not single male adults and would have been a little harder to remove or they would have had to put females in detention. And apparently, you know, you can't

do that if you're in a legally alien female. Why do people look at a detention one that just bring them to the border of Mexico, where they all came from? Exactly, or fly them right from the spot. Exactly. I agree. Or put them on a big container ship and drive them across the ocean.

“Whatever you need to do. Yes. But they allowed 20 to walk. They want to answer that question.”

I posed that question, put it up on my accent. What do they want to kill you? I have probably so. I think that if they could or not them, but if it happened, I don't think they'd be too sad. So how exactly you said you didn't retire you got fired? How did that work? You know, after Minnesota, I returned to my sector and that was the oil centrist sector. We call that the premier sector in the U.S. Board of Fraud got to give a plug to those folks out.

They're the premier sector. Those central California. Yes. That was the sector under Biden. East of San Diego. Between San Diego and U. Arizona. Yeah. It's a tough, tough place. Rough place. But hotter the fire, harder the metal. That was your interior staff out of the oil centrist sector. Those folks controlled our part of the border under Biden. We didn't prescribe to throughput and decompression. That was pushes many in as you came. Well, we didn't disobey orders.

“Tucker, we it was throughput and decompression the other way back in the Mexico. And guess what happened?”

Nobody wanted across the border in El Centro. We smashed them. Including the red Chinese. And anybody else that came across the border. So anyway, I get back to El Centro right after Minnesota. And the investigations begin. And I think, and what do you people do in

the investigations of what? The first one that came down the bike was you might remember the Chicago

judge said that I lied in a courtroom. That's death for a law enforcement officer to lie. That's you you're done. That's lack of candor. Yeah. They'll get you every time on that as they should. You shouldn't lie. Well, I didn't lie in a courtroom. By the way, I'll set the record straight on that one. Told the truth every minute. But simply because of federal judge said that. Even though her entire decision was vacated by the higher court, they said, what you're whole

ruling is ludicrous and you're actually constitutionally suspect, by the way, which just should be death road crazy judge. But the investigation, hey, you know what? We're going to investigate you for lack of candor lying. And I'm like, huh. Wow. But that whole thing was vacated. What are you talking

disciplinary review board. DRB says, you know what? That's a panel of leadership within

customs and border protection that takes a look at disciplinary cases. Highly unusual for the commissioner to send that case straight to a DRB with no investigation. The DRB that review board looks at it and says, you know what? From there's nothing here. We see absolutely nothing here. Send it back. Case should be closed. Well, that commissioner says, you know what? Let's take another shot at him. I'm going to weaponize internal affairs on this one. Hey, internal affairs,

this guy lied. Open their investigation on him. When it gets to that point and they start coming after you like that, I've been in the federal government long enough to know what they're coming after your retirement. They're not just coming to fire. They're going to take your retirement.

Your pension, everything. So I get a lawyer and he says, you know, I've never seen anything like this

before. You better get your ass out of the federal government real quick. Seriously. Yes. But I don't run too easy. And I said, you know, I think, you know, I think I'm going to fight this one. Because hey, it's gotten dry. He goes, don't. You put a period on a piece of paper and they're going to say, you lied. And then the second investigation came down. You may ever remember the, uh, they,

“they accused me of anti-Semitism. I don't remember that. That was out of, uh, I think most Americans”

have been accused of anti-Semitism. Yeah, of course. You know, another one they said that, uh, I made some anti-Semitic comments to the U.S. attorney there in Minnesota. Did you? Absolutely not. Never, never, never talked to him when I made the comments. I was talking to some of his staff. Who quit the next day and then doxed me? Uh, uh, uh, because they didn't agree with the way the board of patrol or that the board of patrols even in Minnesota. You just crazy stuff. You can't

believe this stuff happens. Anyway, they said, hey, anti-Semitism and the New York Times ran with it. What, what did they say you said? They said that, uh, I said the, the Jewish people were the chosen ones, but that I said it in a very sarcastic tone. I guess that must be antisemitism. You know, I don't know, it was, uh, straight out of the, uh, Bible study from, oh, about 1976 in North Carolina.

“Hey, Jews chosen ones. I can say that all day long. That's not the antisemitism. I think it'd be the opposite.”

If I said that. So anyway, we're in the court of George Republican version of George Floyd here, though, where everyone has accused of some bias crime. You bet, except it's now anti-Semitism, not racism because nobody cares about black people anymore, but it's the same, it's the same thing, though. Absolutely. So I didn't even know I was on their investigation for this until the New York Times informed me, hey, uh, since you're under investigation for anti-Semitism. I'd like to make

comment, they called me. And I'm saying, what are you talking about? My own agency didn't even tell me. It was an, I found that out through the New York Times reporter, they got the investigation for anti-Semitism. Yes. The Trump administration did that too. Yeah, CBP. Well, customs are, I don't think Trump knew about it. No, but it's the federal, the administration administration. Yeah. So I found that one out and I'm like, wow, this is, uh, this is interesting. This is interesting.

So then to make a long story short, some special agents show up at my house, say we, you know, start not banging on the door. Like, what's going on? What's going on here? My security team says, we don't know what's going on. What's going on? I didn't answer the door. I don't need to answer the door. They were there from my computer, which I was retiring the next day. They said he wanted to write that,

right, write that minute. I never talked to them. They get the orders from somewhere in DC,

or just go ahead and smash the guys door in and make entry. Luckily, the U.S. board of trolls there and said, hey, and it's a way that thing works. And they got sent packing. That was what was happening there. It's time to retire. You know, this is so crazy. I can hardly, and I mean, as far as I know, you didn't do anything other than believe the campaign promises, the rest of us believed in 2024 and thought, okay, here's the chance to do ad voters have asked

their government to do. Yeah. Hey, you know, when you're given a mission, you go hard at it. And no regrets there with the mission, regrets with how I handled some of those gate guards and the

“administration. You know, I would like to, I think I could have taken a more active role in”

briefing Trump face to face in some of this. I think that had he known and saw our strategy. What the end goal was, how Americans were coalescing behind us. I think you're going to, all right, great job. So I could have done a better job on that. You know, I think a lot of the individuals around here were non-border security professionals. They have no, they don't know the difference between board of control and ice even. I don't think a lot of them even know the difference between

with I, I never understood, I mean, you can tell my views in immigration. I think it's a disaster.

“It is a disaster. But I, I was, I never liked the idea of any federal agent wearing some kind”

of narko mask on the street. What was that? That was the doxing. That was the fact that they would take that agent, that agent's face and say, hey, his mother and father will live at such and such an address. He and his daughter live at such an such an address. And then people start showing up within 24 hours. And the reason we know that one, me, I didn't wear a mask and, you know, man, they were on me quit. There were some other agents that didn't wear a mask and it happened

to them immediately. I mean, within hours. But, okay, right, we also had like a mafia and all kinds of organized criminal elements in this country over centuries, which we kind of defeated. So if they're organized groups threatening the families of federal employees, we should probably go after those groups, go after the groups and folks that fund those groups, you bet wholesale. I don't want to buy that hard. Why is that a hard concept? No, I'm serious because then everything

falls apart. But that's not a person question. It's just like the system falls apart if no one can enforce the law because of threats from criminal gangs, right? Absolutely. And the anarchists in the

streets. Yeah, but there's never been a systematic effort to fix any of that. And I don't know why.

You know, there was the one effort that I saw was that U.S. attorney out of the central district in California's name is Bill of Saley. What a patriot that man was. He actually did go after those individuals. In California, when we were in Los Angeles and you know what that did, that really, that really dialed down the violence against our effort in the cities, dialed the riots down, dialed the the crazies down because he was actively going after

them and prosecuting them. He got some fantastic prosecutions. That's been lost in, in, in, in, in, in the narrative somehow. What a success that man was. We had the opposite in, in, in the other

cities is, you know, we're not, we're going to wait till, till they leave and just not do anything

because, you know, my gosh, this is scary. And, you know, there'd be awful lot of prosecutions and migratious, but a Saley and the FBI there in central district, Los Angeles, they did a fantastic job. They proof tested that concept. It can be done. They did it. The FBI, along with, with that U.S. attorney, they kicked about, but there were a lot of other U.S. attorneys that were patently against us. Some of them actually got fired under the Trump administration. Well, I would hope so.

“But you should be able to enforce the law. I mean, I, what's the point of the system if you can't”

do that? And by the way, I do think I get why people want to wear masks. I get why they're afraid. But I also feel like you see, you give up some legitimacy when you do that. Like when you're enforcing the laws, if at a law enforcement officer, you're standing behind laws that the Congress passed, elected by the people of this country. Like you are the front line in a system that we all hope is legitimate. If you can't show your face in public, I don't know. I mean,

what what message are you sending? We can't control our own country. We're not legitimate enough to defeat like domestic insurgencies against us. Like what are you saying? It's such a expression of weakness. I guess it freaks me out. Does that make sense? It does. And then again, why do we allow anarchy to take place in the streets, in the face of law enforcement, in normalize it? Why does that allowed to be normalized? And well, only certain kinds of

anarchy allowed to be normalized. The ones that the donors prefer. But most people are not for that at all. And if you were to have like a mass protest against election theft or illegal immigration, it would be shut down immediately, but the same people who allow black lives matter protests

“to destroy our cities. Yes. Right. So it's it's like a selective enforcement. And I think”

it all goes back to the root cause, which is the richest people in the country who are trying to destroy the country. But they don't care. Or they just, or they don't care. They want to get richer. And they'll do it on the backs of you. They'll step on the dead bodies of their citizens to get there. 100%. I wish I didn't think that, but I do think that. Because the evidence is in, don't you think? It's, it's getting irrefutable at this point to have what's happening in our

country take place now. I wouldn't be speaking, if you had said you're going on Tucker and you're going to say what I just have said. I said you're absolutely crazy. I was going to put this in the

you know, speaking on Thursday night at the Republican National Convention, introducing Trump

that two years later, I would be talking to a former federal official about how he betrayed the entire country and immigration or his administration did. I'd be like, I don't think that. That's not possible. And this whole thing is so shocking to me. I can't believe it's happening. Yeah. Well, you know, I think it shocked a lot of Americans. They thought there was so much hope out there. And that's probably one of the greatest, they're one of the, the most heart-rending

messages I get is there is so much hope with what was happening in those cities we watched. You guys, the green team every night and we thought, we're there. Hey, we're taking it back, even Europe. You know, I've been going to Europe quite a bit. You're lately talking to those folks with the

“remageration summits and and restore Britain and and and that's how everything and they they said the”

same thing. We've got the same problem with the same solution. We watched what was happening, starting in Los Angeles every night. They were glued. They said, band, there's hope. Look at this. This is really going to happen. It's going to start happening in Europe. And then all of a sudden lights out. The light switch was turned off and it all ground to halt. All that hope ground to

halt. And you know, it's it's shocking. You just said, you're shocked. I'm shocked. I would never

have thought that would happen. You know, the minimum was building and then the light switch went out. We went into darkness. What do you think happens next? I have great faith in American exceptionalism. People like Tucker Carlson, people like the young conservatives, there's young

“people. I think you're going to start seeing a lot of young people in campuses and throughout the”

United States standing up saying, wait a second, we've had enough. We want the story of America back. We want to make the story of America. We want to know what America's like. We're done with this. And I think there's going to be a lot of pressure put on the donor class on President Trump. And many of these and the feckless bureaucrats that I've just talked about, there's gate guards.

There's worthless gate guards. And you know, I'm always an optimist. I'm always an optimist.

Never be a defeatist. We've been up against some dark times before in this nation. Maybe not this

“dark. But we have and we always came through. I think that you or I wouldn't be talking if we”

thought it was done, you know, I think that disperse for those who see the end beyond any doubt. I'm not despair yet, but we're rapidly closing. And I think that as long as we're talking about this and that people care and that there's still enough Americans here ready to do what it takes. We can write the ship. We can do it. Maybe it takes off tomorrow. That spark has to be a lift. Hope you like the spark, Tucker. Great, we thank you very much for doing this. I appreciate it.

Pleasure has been mine, sir. Boy, you upset me.