Tucker Confronts Mike Huckabee on America’s Toxic Relationship With Israel

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In general, it's never worth talking about the backstory behind an interview.

It's kind of not the point. Makes it about the interviewer, not the person being interviewed. For one thing, for another, it's not that interesting, most of the time. And for another, it's kind of off the record. You know, the other person hasn't consented to you telling the story, so in general, we don't

do that. Who'd want to hear that? Let the interview speak for itself. But in this case, I want to tell you a few things about how this interview came about, because they are pretty interesting, revealing, and now, weirdly relevant, apparently.

So this interview with Mike Huckabee came about a couple of weeks ago on Twitter, one of our producers, showed me he said something to the effect of, "You're talking to Middle Eastern

“Christians, Tucker Carlson, maybe you should talk to me when you come to an interview."”

I paused for him, and I thought in the past about trying to interview Mike Huckabee, who

I've known for over 30 years, and worked adjacent to at Fox, and I had mixed feelings about it. Mostly because it's hard if you're me to interview Mike Huckabee, because of just the personal effect. Mike Huckabee's Jovio comes off his friendlies, grandfather, when annoyed I can be nasty in

interviews. So it takes a lot of self-control to interview someone like Mike Huckabee, not because I hate him, but because it's hard to ask him tough questions and not come off as a jerk, which I often am. So but I thought in this case, yeah, I should definitely do this for a bunch of different

reasons. Mainly, the United States is moving toward a big war, a real war, with a run, a regime change war, the biggest war we've had since the invasion of Iraq in the spring of 2003, and Israel is driving that.

“We were doing this at the behest of the demand of these really prime minister Benjamin”

Netanyahu, so it seems like now is the time for more Americans to understand the dynamic between the US and Israel and to call attention to that. And for another, Huckabee's behavior in the last year in Jerusalem, as the ambassador, has been very, very striking. He famously had a meeting with the most damaging spy in American history.

And why did he do that? He hadn't been asked by anybody up until two days ago. Why did you do that? So I wanted to be able to ask him that. And so we accepted and then began the usual negotiations about when and where the interview

would take place. And we were constrained because we weren't expecting this, we wanted to do it quickly, but we had tons of travel, so we threw them a date, them being the American embassy. We can do it on this date. And they were very accommodating.

And then the question became, "Well, where do we do it?" And maybe a Christian, holy site, we said we've got to get in and out really quick, got to be back to do a bunch of other interviews, but we've got this time frame. They said, "Well, why don't you do it at the US ambassador?" Maybe we said that.

Great. US embassy. embassy is about an hour, 55 minutes, from the bigger port in Israel, Ben Gurion. So we said, "Okay, what about security?" Now, at this time, the Israeli government, the Prime Minister, included, were attacking me

in this show. Netanyahu's desk, that was a Nazi, for example. And so we thought, you know, how about security, obviously, not because the Israeli government necessarily would do something bad, because there are a lot of people in Israel who think, because they've been told that I'm an anti-Semite, or a Nazi, or want to kill Jews, it's kind

of crazy, overstatement, all in true, obviously, but it would be good at security. And I should say, having done interviews on six out of seven continents over 35 years,

I'm not very security conscious at all, never really feeling comfortable with this seem

like a prudent thing to do. So we were told by the embassy spokesman, no, we're not going to provide security. And so we said, "Okay, I guess we'll get private security, but could we get someone from the embassy to ride in the car with us from the airport to the interview?" And we were told, "No, could we get what they call a control officer, just an American,

with us?" And in an official capacity as a embassy employee with us, no, quote, "For legal reasons, we can't do that."

And then they said, "But instead, we're turning you over to the Ministry for Foreign Affairs,

MFA, and they're going to arrange everything in Israel." Well, this was within 24 hours of the Deputy Foreign Minister Sharon Haskell releasing a video calling me an anti-Semite in an enemy of Israel. This was the person who the embassy was telling us was going to handle all of our travel. So it was at this point that I just called, I called the spokesman for the U.S. Embassy

in Israel, and I said, "Okay, I'm an American citizen, responding to the invitation from the American ambassador to Israel." And by the way, I'm the son of U.S. Ambassador, so I have some sense, not an expert, obviously, but I have some sense of how this works.

“And I think that the U.S. ambassador has discretion to send somebody from his office to the”

airport to a company, someone in.

And I think that's right, and if it's not right, tell me what law you're talking about, what legal reason you're talking about, they would prevent that. And now you're sending me over to a government official who's been calling me a Nazi. That's the person in charge of getting us to the embassy, like, "What is going on here?" And the embassy, spokesman who's totally nice, said, "Well, this was the decision of someone

called David Brownstein. He's the DCM, the number two guy in the embassy." And I said, "Well, put him on." That text exchange, like, "What is going on here?" And so, Brownstein got on and didn't answer the question, but basically said, "Well, okay, let's just do the interview at the airport

in the diplomatic reception area at the airport."

“Okay, I said, "We're going to be flying in from Europe and we had to be in and out really quickly,”

so it's great expense we chartered a plane, which I never do because I'm cheap, but we did.

So then I said, "Okay, I want to send you the flight information, tail number, flight number, route, and I want you to pass that on to the Israeli military just so they don't mistake us for an Iranian drone or something. I mean, not to be paranoid, but again, this is probably the most violent country in the world, Israel.

Is there a country in the world where a higher percentage of the population has held a gun or shot someone? I don't know the answer, but this is a country famously waging a seven-front war with all of its neighbors, so this is also the country that bombed the USS Liberty, knowing. We know this from NSA intercepts that it was an American ship, so don't, just send the military,

our flight information, and we can all just know it's on the record and we can all come down a little bit, no, they said, the U.S. Embassy said, "No, your flight is not a matter of concern to the Israeli military," said, "Okay, now you're making it be uncomfortable. Isn't the airspace of Israel, the purview of the Israeli military, aren't they in charge of maintaining the integrity of their airspace when you fly over the country of Israel

or any country, it's military, keeps track of you because that's their job, so why wouldn't you send our flight information to the Israeli military, you're making me nervous?" I sent this exchange, it took a screenshot of it, and sent it to a bunch of people including in the U.S. government because I'm not a parent, I'm not a person, and I'm not a jumpy person.

It says, "This weird behavior, yeah, it's really weird behavior, all of them said that." So I got pretty aggressive and just said, "Look, you got to do this, okay, and they said to their credit, got back to us and said, "Yes, we will do that, but I just thought that was completely bizarre," and menacing, by the way. Now at the same time, and I think this is relevant, certainly it goes to motive, I was attempting

to set up a meeting as I have been for the past three months with the Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, who I've dealt with a lot in the past, and who denounced me as a Nazi in public.

“I remember the woke, wake, and why was I trying to do that?”

Not an interview, I knew he wouldn't sit for an interview, but I wanted just to meet with him in person, one to show that I'm willing to go to Israel and hate Israel as a country, but to say directly to him, this is bad, this should be de-escalated, this kind of rhetoric doesn't help anybody, calling people calling me specifically a Nazi in an anti-Semite, when you know that I'm not, but the way if I was, I would just admit it, I've said many times

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directly, please, can you help me get a sit down for five minutes with Benjamin Netanyahu,

and I probably call or met with six, seven, eight, maybe more people on this question.

People on official capacities, people on the Israeli government, I know I know a number of people on the Israeli government, people in Israel, a friend of mine in California who knows him, I mean, I really, really tried, and I did so for two reasons, one because there was a threat to my family, the Israeli government and Netanyahu himself tried to punish two members of my family, I won't be more specific, but actually punish two members

of my family, because he has said in public many times, believes in blood guilt, I'm like, you know, when someone commits a crime against you, you punished not just him, but his family, his bloodline, there's no idea that's less Western than that, more anti-Christian

“than that, Christians reject that Netanyahu doesn't, that's why he's talking about omelette,”

and he was going after my family, literally, so I felt very threatened by that, but moreover, I think it's bad for my country to have people using that kind of language, round them up, bring them to the camps, gas chambers, knots, easy anti-Semitism, it scares the heck out of people, it makes people crazy and hysterical, and certainly in my case, none of that is true, I hate collective punishment, I hate attacking people on the basis

of their bloodline, I hate anti-Semitism and anti-weight racism and all of this or any kind of racism period, and I've said that a lot, so using that kind of language, again, someone who is not fundamentally your enemy, who just, in my case, I want Christians in areas controlled by Israel to be treated with dignity, to have rights, and I don't want the U.S. government involved in a war, a regime change war with Iran, those are my priorities,

and I've said them out loud, I have no secret agenda, so to attack me as a Nazi for saying that suggests a total unwillingness to compromise, anyone who doesn't agree with us 100% must be destroyed, his family must be attacked, my family, and must be written off as a Nazi. Well, when you do that, it makes people hysterical, it increases the temperature to a point that someone's going to get hurt if you keep talking that way, and it's just bad, it's

bad for the United States, it's bad for the world, so I wanted to deliver that message.

I finally wound up talking to God called Yoram Hazoni, who is in Israeli who famously

organizes the American Conservatism Conferences, and I said to him, look, you're having a national conservatism conference in Jerusalem this summer, you asked me to speak at the first, I think the first national conservatism conference in the United States, and I did, obviously, believe in national conservatism, America first, and I think every nation should

“put its own people first, that's why you have governments, and I would like to speak”

at this one, and moreover, I would like you to ask your friend Benjamin Netanyahu to meet with me, and we had this sort of long back and forth, and it was no, you cannot speak at the National Conservatism Conference, because you're an anti-Semite, no, I'm not, I said, because you were, you said, and I said, well, I really would like to speak to BB to kind of deescalate this, and he said, it would not be in his political interest to meet with

you, it's almost verbatim, what he said, therefore no. So then I realized, you know, you're dealing with people who are unreasonable, who are inflexible, who are in fact fanatical, and then add to that, of course, that my tax dollars are paying them, you know, it's all pretty distressing. So that was the backdrop behind our very brief and highly intense trip to Israel. So we show up on Wednesday, flying from Europe, I get a great expense, and show up at the

diplomatic terminal of Bangerine airport where this interview is going to take place, which is bizarre in itself, filthy building. The windows are so dirty, and the terminal you can't see

there's a litter outside, like, what is this? This is the diplomatic terminal in Israel.

I thought that was very strange. Having been in a lot of diplomatic terminals, I've never seen

a radio one. We go in, and how could he be there? And, of course, he's totally friendly as he always is, very, very friendly guy, and a cheerful, and we sort of chat, and the whole place is filled with these guys and t-shirts, thuggish-looking guys and t-shirts, or some kind of security. So we do the interview you're about to watch it. It's very long, at two and a half hours ish,

“and I try my hardest to be friendly. I think I kind of succeeded. You can judge for yourself.”

But I really got the sense, and again, you can decide, as you watch it, that Huckabee was not able to answer any of the questions, but also not really in charge. You really got the feeling of a guy sort of trying his best to repeat the talking points, but very constrained, like unable to say certain

things, not because those things might harm the interest of the U.S. government. He was happy

to attack, for example, the U.S. military, and say they're more brutal than the Israeli military. But I'm willing to say certain things, because they might reflect poorly on the Israeli government. Sort of thinking about this for a second, you're like, "Wait, you're the U.S. ambassador. You're our representative to a foreign country. Why is your red line criticism of that country? Shouldn't you be representing us?" And it was very obvious that he was representing the Israelis,

obvious, and again, you can judge for yourself. But anyway, so we do this interview.

“It was crucial. And at the end, we're set to fly out. We have a time. We have to get out,”

and the plane is sitting right outside, and we're ready to go. And for some reason, the Israelis still have our passports. There are five of us there, and four of us are flying out on this plane once flying out, commercial with their gear. So my business partner and I,

sure standing there, we've never left the airport, never went anywhere. But our two producers

have spent the night before in Tel Aviv, and they're called into rooms and given the third degree, now, keep in mind, they're about to get on a plane and leave. In fact, we're late. We have to get out of there. We have a slot to get out. And security, whoever this is won't let them go. So I don't really know what's going on at this point. I'm like, "Where are our guys? We've got to get out of here." So one of them comes out and he says, "That was the weirdest experience in my life."

They asked me questions about the interview. Who did you speak to? Keep in mind, this was like eight feet from where we did the interview.

“Will the U.S. ambassador in my country be what did you talk about? Why did you ask those questions?”

Was it a hostile interview? Of course, everything in the diplomatic terminal is taped. Everything in Israel is taped. It's a police state. It's a surveillance state, obviously. You go to Israel. They put software on your phone. Everybody knows this. They're constantly spying on you. More than probably any other country. And so they know the answer to these questions. But they're asking my producer, like,

"Where do you work? How many people work there? Do you go to the office? Where is the office? What are their names?" They're doing an intel-op and a humiliation exercise on my producer. This isn't security. We're leaving. Right now! And they're holding his passport. The interrogator is holding the passport in his hand as he's asking his questions. So he's telling me this and I said, "This is the most outrageous thing I've ever heard.

The puck had been gone by this point. You're an American citizen who's just had a conversation with the US ambassador. And some thug is demanding details of that conversation." You know, I hope you didn't answer. He's like, "No, I didn't. I don't know what to say." Meanwhile, our last guy, the youngest man who was traveling with us, our last producer, is still in a room being questioned. So I pull over one of the guys and said, "We got to get out of here."

So I don't know what this is about. It's outrageous. And, you know, there's nothing I can do about this point, but we got to go. And this one goes up to me and says, "Look, let's just go. We're going to bring you to the plane and he'll come later." I said, "No, it's my producer." He's being interrogated, asked totally over the top fully inappropriate questions. That if nothing to do with security at all, pull up your website, show us your

text exchanges with other people on your staff. What are your politics like? And again, what did you say to the US ambassador and what did you say back to you? Those are not relevant questions if you're trying to keep your country secure. Those are Intel questions. And they're over the top. And I said, "I want this guy out now. Let's go. We got to go." And they said, "No, no, just leave him here. We'll bring him to the plane later."

So I was enraged by this. Get on the plane. We get a text from a reporter who's

“somehow knew that this had happened. I have no idea how. I had no interest in publicizing it, actually.”

There was a long trail that showed that the US embassy had been coordinating against us in a public relations battle before we even got there. They were leaking that we demanded to do it at the airport because we were afraid to go into Israel. We're cowards. Okay. We're cowards. And so I just said to the reporter by text, you know, they pulled my guys into a room and interrogating them. This is outrageous, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. The interesting

thing is, I never heard from Huckabee or anybody to this moment from the US embassy about

what security did to my producers. They didn't ask us and instead Huckabee went out and called me a liar. So it raises, again, the question, who exactly is Huckabee working for? We're American citizens in a foreign country. He's our ambassador. He represents our country. We pay his salary. But he's taking the side of the foreign government without even calling us say, hey, what happened you at the airport? Did you get hassle? Did your guys get hassle? No. Immediately repeats their lies

without even consulting us. So like, what are we looking at here? We're looking at the reality which is, if you're an American in Israel, you can be certain that your government will take the side of the Israeli government and not your side. And really, is that so different from the experience of Americans in the United States? Can you be sure that your government will take your side

over the Israeli government? No, of course not. They will always take the Israeli government

“side over yours. And that's the core problem. Even if you support a war with Iran, I think we”

really, the most pressing issue for Americans is that we kill the Ayatola or whatever. You still have a fair expectation that your government, because it is yours, you pay for it. It exists to serve you and for no other reason you have an expectation that your government will take your side against a foreign government. But the daily lived reality, the obvious truth, visible to every single American is that's the opposite of reality. In fact, if you criticize Israel in your country,

your government will work to censor you. If there's a standoff between you and BB, you know who side, your government's going to take BB side, that is not sustainable. That is too humiliating. It's too clearly in inversion of the natural order. Your government exists for you, not for a foreign

“government. But that's not how we live in this country or in Israel. So that's what we learned.”

And one last thing, he's rightly, apparently went, maybe probably with the help of my Cuckoo B. Went to the surveillance tape inside the diplomatic terminal and pulled some clip. And of course, getting all their little bots online to promote it of me with my arm around somebody to show that actually I'm lying about what happened. That person was our driver, who drove us from the plane to the terminal, a short drive. Very nice guy. Good guy is really guy.

And right when we arrived and he said, can I get a picture? Yes. Nice man. So I just put my arm around him, took a picture. That's what that is. That was before the interview was before our producers were hassled by the thugs and asked ridiculous questions. So before any of this happened. So that's just another installment of the propaganda war thought we'd give you the backstory and that people seem to be more inflamed, not just emotionally, but physically and more tired than

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some of it. I want to apologize for that. I don't but I in general I don't think people should be going immediately to motive calling each other Nazis or anti-Semites. I said, I hate the Christian Zionists. I lost control of myself. Of course, I don't. I apologize for that. I have problems with my anger and so I just want to apologize to you since you're a Christian Zionist. You've not known each other for over 30 years. Over 30 years, that is totally true. When you were in Little Rock,

so yes, you know, it's why I wanted us to have a conversation talk to each other and not about each other and I appreciate very much your coming here to of course. And I'm only saying a couple of hours unfortunately because I kind of shoehorned the sin but I hope that I'll be back soon and I hope that I can come back soon because I want to I actually like despite what you may hear. I actually like the country. I've been here a lot and there are a lot of things I love about

it and I want to talk to people in it for like a week. Good and get a better sense of it. So I want to ask you everyone I've talked to in preparation for this has said the same thing Jonathan Pollard. Yeah, I'm just going to show that the name to you and have you explained. No, I'm glad you asked. You know, of course. Interestingly, there's been a lot of things about it.

You're the first person who has asked me about it, which I find amazing. So I'm glad you do it.

Yeah, the very first. Well, it's better to like hear it. Sure. I met Jonathan Pollard two times. Once I was making a speech in Jerusalem, this has been a few years ago. His wife was still alive at the time and he was there and someone introduced me to him and his wife. I said hello to them. That was it. Hi. Nice to meet Esther. His wife and that was it. I went and made my speech and I'll left. Later, his wife passed away here in Israel and I sent him a note and just said, I'm sorry to

hear about your wife. I remember meeting her at the hotel and sorry to hear it. He then asked, could he come and see me. He wanted to come and thank me for being kind to him. He came to the

“embassy. I think we met for maybe 30 minutes. We had a nice pleasant visit. The funny thing was the”

New York Times reported that it was a secret meeting. Tucker, if you've ever been to the US embassy, you would know there's no such thing as a secret meeting at the US. They're cameras everywhere. You walk through a marines. You walk through security. You walk through the front office and there's a dozen or more people that are going to check you out when you come in. Before you get there, you're going to have to give us your passport information. You're going to have to be vetted and

screened and all of this stuff. So the idea that it was secret was ludicrous. The whole idea is look, Jonathan Pollard did something that was terribly wrong. He sold secrets. He shouldn't have done it.

he was sentenced to maybe more than 30 years. But he spent 30 years in prison. Most people

“convicted of something similar, which was one counter, I believe, would have spent two to four,”

but he spent 30. I don't have a problem with him spending 30 because I think what he did was despicable. I'm not defending anything about what he did. But even people like the former director of the CIA, a number of other senators on the Senate Foreign Relations of the Senate Intel Committee said that he should be allowed to leave and move to Israel if he wanted to. So

it to me was not as big a deal that I had this basically courtesy meeting. He wanted to thank me

for being nice to him when his wife died. That's pretty much this. You advocated for his release when you ran for, I remember it in 2011, one before he had served 30 years. And I agree with you that there are a lot of people languishing in prison, you know, in our country and in this country, many countries, you know, for longer periods than they deserve. And I think it's a Christian impulse to want to see them free. But this was the greatest trader in modern American history who sold

our battle plans sold, our battle plans against the Soviet Union, our main enemy in the Cold War to the Israeli government, which according to our Reagan CIA director, Bill Casey, then gave them to the Soviet Union. So this was the most profound betrayal of the United States

“in my lifetime. Why advocate for that guy's release before he serves his full sentence?”

If that were the case in 2011, it would have been because I had a number of friends. It suggested that he had more than served time and he didn't want to live in the US anymore. He wanted to live

in Israel. But my association with him, again, I had never met him until I met him in Jerusalem,

at a hotel. That was your first time I had ever encountered him. I'm friends with a million bad people, or I've talked to a million bad people. I'm sitting here with you. I mean, come on. I mean, so to say, with tax collectors, so I trust me. I am do not judge people who are friends or know or enjoy the company of immoral people because it's not endorsement of their moral behavior. Pollard is different. I think once you become you as ambassador, the representative of the

President of the United States and the United States of America in a foreign country and then you invite not only the most damaging betrayer in our lifetime, but also a guy who continues to advocate for

betrayal. So he gave an interview, as I know you know, in 2021 to Israeli media in which he said,

I would encourage Jewish Americans with security clearances to spy from Assad against their own country the United States because, and I'm pretty much quoting him, all Jews should have dual loyalty. That's not repentance. That's not someone who feels bad about what he did. That's someone who's encouraging American Jews to betray their country. That's pretty heavy. Don't you think? Oh, I do. And I disagree with that. Hold heartedly. I think let's remember it was President Trump who

probably facilitated his departure. And I'm certainly supportive of President Trump. I think you are. And Mueller's not. He called him a madman after your meeting. That's why I say Pollard is not for me the real issue. It was the fact that he did something that was despicable. I'm not denying that. Of course he did. And he paid dearly for 30 years in prison and he should have that. That's what he should have done. No, no question about why meet with him in the U.S. Embassy.

Your colleagues said they were shocked. They said who were the colleagues? It said they were shocked. Quoted on background in the New York Times. I think the meeting was in August.

“This could all be fake. That's why I'm asking you. Well, the same New York Times said it was a secret”

meeting. And I'm telling you there's no such thing as a secret meeting in the U.S. Embassy. You see why the U.S. Ambassador hosting a convicted betrayer of his own country who's encouraging Americans to continue to betray their country would seem shocking. Well, I would say that it wasn't that I you make it sound like I'm hosting a meeting. I simply met with him. I meet with people all the time. Someone's just walking with her. No, they have to have an appointment. Of course

they do. Oh, so it is interesting. Well, I don't know if it was hosting, but it was certainly he was able to come to the U.S. Embassy to have a meeting at his request. I did. And frankly, I don't regret it. I met with a lot of people over the course of the time I've been here and we'll meet with a lot more. That's it. So if you spend the evening at my house, you were guaranteed to find yourself in a conversation about the hollow app we talked about at this

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And it's not going back to the United States to stand charges for attempted molestation of a child. Have you advocated for the Israeli government to return him to the United States? I'm not familiar with that case. It has not come to us at the embassy. So, is this the person in Nevada? That is correct. Okay, I heard our county. I would imagine something. Yeah, I heard about it, but I heard about it

through open-source media. It was never something that was presented into us, but I would have no

“problem with him being extradited back to the U.S.?”

You're the president's and our country's representative in the state of Israel, so I think it would fall to you to advocate with your friend the Prime Minister to say, "Wait a second, we have a very close relationship." We're obviously the single largest source of outside funding for this country. How can you take an accused child molester and shield him from American justice send him back to the United States? Have you ever had that conversation?

No, because the Prime Minister would not be the proper person. That may be in Israel, pardon my ignorance, but would deal with an extradition. It would go through their court system. And so the Prime Minister is very similar to what we have in the U.S., where there is a separation of powers, so it would go through something other than the Prime Minister. Have you advocated

“to the courts, to judges, to anybody in the Israeli justice system? There has never been a request”

for me to engage in that. I would be happy to do it if the White House sent a message to me. I do work for the president. I serve it as pleasure. If anyone of the White House were to say to me, would you please go and make a case for it? But probably, if that were to happen, it wouldn't come through the embassy as much as it would likely come from the Department of Justice at the U.S., in D.C., they would make the request. They might involve us, but they very likely

would not. Does it seem strange to you that people accused of child molestation in the United States are allowed to have refuge within the borders of our closest ally? How that doesn't make sense to me? Well, I would say that if you've molested an American child shouldn't be required. It's an allegation. Let's be clear. One of the things about our system of jurisprudence, you're innocent until you're proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. So if the charges are there,

should he be extradited? I would say so. The charges are there. Yeah, okay. So they should be, but that's a justice department decision. And they're the ones who should be pursuing it. To monologues, they have it. They certainly haven't engaged the U.S. embassy. Why would the Israeli government harbor fugitives from justice in the United States? I'm not sure that there doesn't, there doesn't, there doesn't, there's factors in Israeli group that keeps

track of them that is dedicated Jewish Israeli group dedicated to combating the molestation of children and keeps a long list. And then you can look it up and I, whether I hope you're not saying that you think the Israelis support the molestation of children. Obviously, I'm not saying that saying that the Israeli government allows shields. Yeah, accused child molestation from justice. I'm not sure. I could say that that's something that is provable. I don't know,

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Well, they are. And I'll give you a, and I just want to make sure that I pronounce this man's name correctly. It's Tom. I believe Alexander Vitch. I think that's right. And I've written it down, but of course my hand ring is so terribly can't read it. But yes, he is in his really, I believe cyber security official who was at a conference in Las Vegas last year and was caught up in a sting designed to catch people soliciting sex from children. He was one of a number of people arrested

for this. He was a ramed and charged. And then two days later he fled to Israel and did his

first hearing by Zoom. He was allowed for some reason to leave for a foreign country having already

been charged for a attempted molestation of a child. And he remains here now. And there have been many news stories about this. And I just wonder if you would ask the Israeli government to send to put him on a plane and send him back to face justice for attempting to molest an American child that doesn't seem complicated. No, I wouldn't mind doing that. But I want to find out if

“the justice department in the US has already sought to extradite him. Is there anything in process?”

I don't know. Why wouldn't they seek to extradite? I have no idea. That's the question for the justice department. Not many questions for the justice department. Like why are millions of absteen files still classified? What do you think that is? I have no idea. I haven't kept up with

that. I've never met the man. I don't know him. You've been kept up with the absteen discourse?

I mean, only from a distance. I'm 6,000 miles away from DC these days. You attacked me personally for suggesting that Jeffrey Epstein had ties to Masad. I'm not saying he'd work from Masad. I don't think we know that. But there's no question that he had extensive contact with CIA. I think you said it at a turning point event. Everybody knows Jeffrey Epstein. I said everyone thinks. And it turns out everyone was right that he did have not sure everyone was right or everyone

thinks. Okay. But you said that I was lying. And I don't want to make this about me. I don't think I said you were lying, Tucker. I don't recall. I'm just saying, why don't we release all the files? And then we don't need to gas. I got no problem with that. Go ahead. But it's all on it. Well, because you weighed in on it and said that this was not true. One, of course, there was no evidence. Well, there's quite a bit of evidence. But you haven't

apparently bothered to read any of the files. Is that what you're saying? I have not read the Epstein files apparently you have. Well, they're on the internet. But when you say that everybody knows that Jeffrey Epstein was a massage, and everyone believes that. I don't think everybody does. I don't know. Well, everyone knows that he had contact with. And by the way, not just Israeli intelligence, American intelligence, which is more much more distressing for me. I'm not

Israeli. I'm American. I don't want my government having any contact with someone like Jeffrey Epstein. So the shame I wouldn't either is on the United States, as far as I'm concerned, there's to be totally clear about that. Everyone's very sensitive about the Israel connection, not at all sensitive about the US connection, which I find very revealing. We should care about

“what our government does first, I think. But since you weighed in on it and said, there's no evidence.”

I'm surprised that since that evidence has been open to the public for a month, since you've already weighed in publicly on this question, that you've made no effort to evaluate that evidence. Why is that? I've just told you. I was certainly not aware that there were some specific allegations. I knew about the former Prime Minister, but I don't know him. Not sure I ever met him in my many times. I've been the Israel over a hundred times since 1973,

the first time I came here was 1973, July. And not so much 53 years of coming and going to this

country. So I know the country well, and there were a lot of people here, but I don't know everything, and I don't know everybody, but I do a lot of people. Of course, no, and I can see your love for it, and I think that's great. But I'm talking about the US government and it's responsibility to, you know, there's a lot of complain about conspiracy theories and everyone, you know, he's a hater, everyone's a signing motive, but there's a way to end these conversations very quickly with

I don't work for, and I've said this many times, you don't work for him, but you go to the White House,

and you see people there, you and J.D. Vance are very good friends. So have you brought this up to them, because I have brought this up to the public. It's not a court folio, but apparently it's highly

“very strongly on your mind, and I'm not going to say you should do significant concern for me.”

I think it should be for everybody, but well, there's, and it could be, there is in charge to trouble. I'm saying, and if you are very involved in the details of this, I'm not, and you think it's the US government that's hiding and shielding somebody, then bring it up to the people. Oh, I don't, I don't think that. I know it, because the Justice Department has said, we have millions of documents, we're not really safe. Why are they not releasing it? I'm asking

you as a US government official. Well, but what the answer to government official at the embassy

in Jerusalem, that has not one thing to do with the Justice Department and what they're investigating on any given day. I'm not saying I don't want to argue or talk in circles, but you are the one who brought it up and said it's absolutely not true. I was only responding to what I heard you say. Okay, but now the evidence and we can settle this debate. You haven't looked the evidence, and you're not pushing for the release of the total corpus of evidence, and I'm confused

because I want to believe that your goal is to get to the truth and the fastest way to do that

“is by releasing the evidence. Don't you think suggest that I can release the evidence?”

I'm suggesting you could call for it right now. Well, I, I'd call for it. I would listen, let's have it all open. I thought it was being all opened up for everything. Once it's open, I hope you'll read it because it's, it's really interesting and then it puts to rest a lot of the debate and it ends the name calling because we can say here it is right there. And we don't have to call people names. We can just assess the documents. Let me ask you to bring it up. I hope

you will bring it up to people at the White House, though. I've brought, I'm bringing it up right now. I'm bringing it up now and I'm asking, I just want to say this one last time, as the U.S. Ambassador to Israel, I hope that you will make a formal request to the Israeli government to send every accused sex offender in this country back to the United States to face justice. And I don't understand why that hasn't been done. I'm confused. Well, we'll try to clear up all the confusion

that we will. If someone's been accused of trying to molest a child, I think it's then certainly and I'll check with the Justice Department because it is a DOJ issue and it would be handled through

“DOJ the U.S. to the court systems in Israel. That's how it would be handled. But the first step”

is the Israeli government saying, yes, we will allow you to extradite this person back. The person is being shielded by the government. That's why the person's here. That's why he fled here. So he wouldn't have to stand trial for trying to molest a child. I want to get to the, as I said at the outset, I said something awful that I regret that my wife sparked it me about, um, I lashed out at Christian Zionists and evangelicals and I just want to say again

that I'm sorry. I've always liked them because they're pro-life and they're also really

nice people. So for the third time, I'm sorry that I said that. I think part of my problem was I don't understand the theology and you are not a fake baptist minister. You're an actual ministry. You had a church for many years. You're an actual theologian. And I mean this was sincerity. I hear people say those who bless Israel will be blessed. I know it's a reference to Genesis. I don't understand the connection between that concept and modern Israel and the geopolitical

world. And so I'm going to stand back and let's first define because, you know, from my days, there's a debate or in high school in college, what are the things that I knew? You didn't start the debate to you define the terms. Man, let's define the thing. Thank you. What is a Christian Zionist? What? Okay. What does that mean to you? What does it mean? I don't know. It's the people who call me in Nazi for asking what? Israel means. That's kind of my, I don't know. But here's the

point. If you say a Christian Zionist is a person who has a brain virus and is guilty of heresy, that's a pretty big charge. I know I shouldn't have made it. I shouldn't have made it. I made it out of anger and ignorance. So, and I'm Christian, I think we can agree as somebody who follows Jesus Christ. Exactly. Has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ? Believe in his death, burial resurrection, has repented of one's sins, and have accepted him as one savior. Was that

you fair? A Christian. Define that. Zionist. A Zionist simply means a person who believes that the Jewish people have a right to have a homeland where they have security and safety. Did you believe that the Jews have a right to live in Israel? Do you believe that Jews have a right to live

what all of those terms mean. Yeah. But conceptually, I wish Israel no harm. I don't want to see a victim to have a place where they could live with safety and security. So, I saw this recently

in an extremely telling exchange between the lieutenant governor of Texas, who I know and I've always

liked. And a woman I don't know, never met. He's on the religious liberty commission or something. And she said, "I'm a Catholic, but I'm not a Zionist, and I have this ferocious exchange." And he kept saying, "Everyone in the panel seem to keep saying, you have to believe in Israel's right to exist." I never kind of questioned just for the record, but it did raise two questions.

“I think are really important. I don't hope you'll answer them. One is, where does that right come from?”

Obviously, it comes from, essentially, you could say it comes from the Bible. I would say that it does. But it comes also from a long iteration of historical precedence going to the Balford Declaration

of 1917. It comes from the League of Nations, 1927. It comes from the United Nations, 1947,

right, the Declaration of Independence of the Israel State, May of 1948. They were immediately attacked. They won the war. They were attacked again in 1956. They won the war. They were attacked again in 1967 by five countries. They won the war. They were attacked again in 1973, and the Yom Kippar war. They won the war. The point is, does Israel have a right to exist? They also had wars in 1982 and Lebanon. They've had... Remember to fought as two of those. They've had... Lebanon, and I don't know

six words. I was there. No, I'm very familiar with the modern history of the state. Okay, pretty

“familiar, I think. And it design a simply means somebody who believes that Israel has a right”

to exist. Now the question is, is Israel has a right to exist? I guess, I mean, I want this to exist. Well, no, but I want to know what that means. So like, do other countries have a right to exist? Well, they do exist. Do they have a right to exist? You keep saying Israel is a right to exist. And I want to know what other countries have a right to exist. They have a right because every international body in the last one hundred years has said the Jewish people have a right

under their indigenous home. But that's a legal right. What other have a biblical right? I would say that yes, but you might say they don't. I don't know. I'm actually, okay,

sincerely interested in finding out what you mean by a biblical right. But first to the legal

right, does any other country on the planet have the same right that Israel has to exist? Well, you could say, does Jordan have a right to exist when it was trans Jordan? And the Brits came and divided up the Middle East and they gave some land to Jordanians and they gave some land to the Saudis and they gave some land to various Middle Eastern countries. And it was

“all carved up. And the French gave Lebanon its right to exist. Do they have a right to exist?”

Do they? Well, why not? Okay. So that's my, so every country, U.S. have a right to exist. I'm asking you. Okay. And I'm telling you, I think the U.S. has a right to exist. Okay. We came here. What? We came there. We're in Israel now talking. But does the U.S. have a right to exist? Is anyone questioned whether we have a right to exist? I don't. Yeah. But, but I, of course, I'm from America, you know, for you. But I, so every current country on the map has the same

right to exist that Israel has. Is that what you're saying? I think what we're saying is that when a country has established itself and it is following international law, it has been deemed by numerous bodies that it is indigenous to its homeland as Israel is. This is its homeland. It goes back 3,800 years to the time of Abraham. It's not that, well, the now I'm going to Jewish people just showed up here, 1948 said, we're going to have some hold on. So those are two

different tracks that I just want to make sure that we separate them. So I understand each one separately. All right. So you're saying there's the modern legal framework. And so you said a country that abides by international law has a right to exist. I would say that that is a part, but it's what if the, would the inverse be true that a country that does not abide by international law for fits it's right to exist? Not necessarily if it has the capacity to stay and make

it's case known. But there have been Jewish people in this, like, that's a very land for 3800 years. And, okay. So, but you're saying as the modern nation state with borders and a military and a kinescent and just all the kind of trappings of a modern country, all of which I support, that country has every country on the planet has the same right as Israel to exist because it does exist. Is that what I'm just trying to understand the concept here? Well, I think what we're

trying to get to is Christian Zionism. And then you've taken this way off the road here that I have,

Zionism is the belief that the fundamental argument that's going on does Israel have a right to live in their indigenous, ancient, historical land, a land that has been affirmed throughout international organizations, a land that has direct ties to the Jewish people.

“I just want to know if this is a universal principle, I guess that's what I'm getting at, because”

if it's not, then it's meaningless to me because as a Christian, I believe in universal principle. Something is right for everyone or it's wrong for everyone. I don't know if you don't believe in special conditions like that. If the Jews didn't have this land, would the Jews have a right to any land? I don't know. I'm not attacking the Jews. I'm asking if this applies to every people and every nation, does every nation have the same right to its own homeland,

to its own physical land that you say Israel does? I feel like we're in a rabbit hole here. No, I think it's a very straightforward question, but does that right extend to other countries of

the business? With the most important thing that is going on in our culture right now,

is whether or not the people that are yelling in the streets from the river to the sea, whether that's a legitimate point of view to say that there should not be a Jewish homeland. There should not be a Jewish land. You'll never hear me scared. I just want to know you haven't said it, but that is actually one of the arguments going on globally. In the United States, excuse me, has a pretty narrow view, I would say, in our media culture, what's happening around the world.

There are plenty of countries having this debate. Stonehenge is a lot older than the first temple in Israel and it was built by the same people who live there now. It's the same people and they are being pushed off their island and outnumbered by people from other places. In Great Britain, in Ireland, which is also a country with a nation of people, a race, if you will, that is being displaced, replaced, who are they being replaced by immigrants? Okay, from other

places. I just wanted to clarify because I was one of the, well, just as a demographic matter, it's just like you can look at the numbers. It's not controversial. It's like the numbers. There'll be a minority in their country and their people have been there longer than Jews have been in Israel and so they're having this debate too. That's all I'm saying. And lots of places are having this debate. Sure. So does that principle apply to everyone

“or is it specific just to Israel? I think it applies specifically to Israel. It applies to anyone who”

can prove that they have some connection to the land and connection to the history and connection to international law. But Israel, I think, does have an exchange of international law. So, if, again, no, but let me finish this. Yes, sir. Because here's the point. We're talking about Christian Zionism, the idea that as a Christian, I believe in both the old and the New Testament.

Why wouldn't I? I'm a person of the book. There are 80 million evangelical Christians in the United

States. What makes us who we are is our adherence to the scripture, our belief that the Bible, all of it, not part of it, but all of it is the word of the living God. So if I believe in the old and the New Testament, I do believe that there is a very specific call to the Jewish people that started with Abraham. And he called him out of what is now modern day Iraq said come where I send you. He came. This is the land. Genesis 123. He says, I will bless those who bless you,

curse those who curse you. In Genesis 17, he looks out of the world. He says, look, and this is where I'm giving you the land. I think since that might have been people living in this land, connected to that moment of history. So there is a historical connection, but not even broken. You said that

and I want to ask you what that means a little more specifically if it's okay, but first let me just

say that you could say the same thing of Britons who've been there in their land longer. Does anyone who tried to tell the Britons, the Britons, they can't live there anymore? No, what's happening but they are saying that to the Jews. Okay, but I just want to if you would extend the same sympathy or the same principle. You seem like this is, you think I'm trying to trap you. I'm not, I'm not all trying to trap you. It would be as simple as saying native Britons have to say

problem with the native Britons having their land. Having the right to their land. No, that there

“is a biblical connection for the Britons. So that's what it can stand off the table. And I think”

they're still a basis for the Jews having this little bit of strip of real estate. I'm not even arguing with you. I'm just trying to understand what it is that you're saying because it's it's not obvious to me and maybe it's an IQ problem but I'm having to understand it. But let me just go back to just clarify one thing. You've brought up international at least twice maybe three times as a basis for Israel's legitimacy. If Israel was out of compliance with international or whatever

that is, would it be less legitimate? It depends on if the law and the way it's applied is legitimate.

ICC or the ICC. I agree. I agree. I agree. Outerly ridiculous. One of the reasons I'm so

grateful President Trump and Secretary Rubio are pushing hard trying to get rid of the ICC and the ICCJ is because they have become rogue organizations that are no longer really about an equal application of law and J. I don't know enough about it to say if that's true or not. I'm interested that you yourself, he'll to international law as a basis if Israel's. But what I'm looking at is the whole of the last 100 years. The Belfart Declaration is not exactly international law but

way it was in that or anything. It was maybe not law but it was a declaration. It was a assumption and a declaration that was done by Lord Belfare in Great Britain at that time. This land

“was under the British mandate and he said that you should have the land that was there's from”

3800 years ago. It was simple as that. Right and I'm not to being that I was not interested in international law. It was a colonial power saying. But then later it was quite a liberal law, under the United Nations and then because of the victories that Israel had against those who tried to annihilate them. It wasn't just that they were trying to take a little piece of their land. They tried to annihilate them and there is still to this day. The Shouts of from the

river to the sea and Tucker that means only one thing, not the shrinking of Israel but the annihilation of Israel. I don't think you can say that you know what it means actually because you don't know it's in people's hearts. So why don't we just deal with the facts? Maybe some people mean that

it's in their mouths. I know it's in their minds. But I'm not, look, you'll never hear me say that.

Yeah. Yeah. You will hear me say as I'm confused by what the definitions are. So let's go through this. You've appealed to Genesis. Genesis 15 says it's Abram. It's pray Abraham's Abram receives from God the news that his descendants will inherit the land and you tell me as the theologian if I'm getting this wrong, but from the Euphrates to the Nile. I think that's right. And that would include like basically the entire Middle East. That would be the Levant. So that

would be Israel, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon. It would also be big parts of Saudi Arabia and Iraq. It would be, I mean, not sure it would go that far. I mean, it would be a big piece of land. But here's the point. It would be a lot of places that are now countries that this particular area, that we're talking about now, Israel is a land that God gave through Abraham to a people that he chose. It was a people, a place, and a purpose. We can look at it that way. Christian Zionism.

I want to go back because that's where we started off. I'm not going to let you off on this because you have gone at three times that God gave this land to this people. And so it is entirely fair for me with respect to ask what land you're talking about because I just read Genesis 15 as I have many times. And that land, I think it says from the Nile to the Euphrates, which is once again, basically the entire Middle East. So God gave that land to his people to Jews or he didn't.

You're saying he did, what does that mean? Does Israel have the right to that land? Because you're appealing to Genesis. You're saying that's the original deed. It would be fine if they took it all,

“but I don't think that's what we're talking about here today. What would be fine? Well, it's exactly”

we're talking about today. But here's what I don't think you're going to be fine if the state of

Israel took over all of our work. They're not asking to take it over. But you're saying that the reason that Israel is legitimate has this inherent right to exist is because in part because God gave it to his people. And I am going to the same Bible that you're referring to and noticing that that is a huge piece of land. So if God gave them that land, then they have a right to take it now by your definition. Unless I'm missing something. I think you're missing something because they're

not asking to go back to take all of that. But they are asking to at least take the land that they now occupy. They now live in. They now own legitimately and it is a safe haven for them. But may I ask though, as because you're appealing, you're explaining what Christian Zionism is and your theological beliefs. And you think you just said it would be fine with you if the state of Israel took all of our lives in all of Syria, all of Lebanon. That's that's really not exactly

“what I'm trying to ask. I'm asking, is that what you said? I thought that's what you just said.”

It was somewhat of a hyperbolic statement in that, you know, if that's what you feel like that we're talking about, but it isn't. We're talking about this land that Israel, the state of Israel, now lives in and wants to have peace in. They're not trying to take over Jordan. They're not trying to take over Syria. They're not trying to take over Iraq or anywhere else. But they do want

a religious man is a Christian, a Christian Zionist, you agree with a lot of religious communities

here in Israel that the justification for this country is theological. It's a contract between God and His people. And I'm telling you that that contract includes a tract of land that is much larger than the current nation state of America, a bigger Zionist than even the Jews are. I'm trying to understand the implications of your theology for geopolitics because you're saying that the present government of Israel has a moral right to take over what are now other people's

countries. No, I didn't say that. Then what are you saying? I'm simply saying that the people who live in

“Israel, I think have a right to have security, have safety. They have a right to be able to live”

in this land that they have a connection to for 30 years. I told myself that I said a privilege. You're not going to know it. But is someone who is the father of daughters when I see child molesters hiding in Israel and escaping American justice, I think I have a right to safety in my country too. So you can understand that I think most people feel they have a right to safety. I do think Israel has a right to safety and I hope that for them. And I'm sincere,

but I'm an American and I have a right to safety in my country too for you to agree. And I think so but I just want to get to this point. If Israel were to say God gave us in Genesis 15, all of Lebanon, all of Syria, all the way up to Iraq, would that be legitimate in your view? I don't think in this particular day and time, they're asking for it. Would it be legitimate?

“I'm not sure that it would be. Why? Because you just said that? Well, God says I think that there is”

a understanding that the people of Israel today, now if they end up getting attacked by all these places and they win that war and they take that land and okay that that's a whole mother, whole mother discussion. But you and I saw that when we were talking about something simple, Christian Zionism. And it turns out it's now you because I don't the core of Christian Zionism you said and I'm quoting you is the understanding the belief, the theological understanding that Jews have a

moral and legal, we went through the legal, moral driving from the biblical promises in our Bible,

which we share with the Jewish people, the first part of the New Testament, that it derives from

God's promise to the Jews. And so I have two questions. What are the borders of that? And who are those people in 2026? And you're not the first person I've asked, but you're the most reasonable, most gentle, most theologically informed person. So I'm really hoping for an answer. The first question was the borders I can't get an answer. Those borders are, so I'm going to give up. But the second question is everybody's pressing, which is who are the people?

Who are the modern, yes, who are the descendants? So we know, and I believe, and I agree with you, as a Christian, that God promised this land from modern day Iraq to modern day Egypt to this people, the Jews, to Abrams actually, not to Abrams descendants, as it says in Genesis 15. Who are his descendants now and how do we know who they are? I think they're the Jews and we know

who they are because they've always been a Jewish people. There has been an unbroken line of Jewish

people and they've lived in this land for 3,800 years. Sometimes not very many of them, because they were chased out all over the world. They were hunted down. They were almost annihilated during the Holocaust. They came back to this day, talker, they represented, you know, many Jews are in a whole world. Please, I understand. Well, first of all, the greatest genocide of Jews no one ever mentions was by the Romans, where they were literally banned from Jerusalem for 500 years.

Yeah, of course. And, and it's all awful. And I'm opposed to all of that. I'm opposed to mass killing of anybody. Period. I'm opposed to hearing. I mean it. Yeah, I believe that. I believe that. My question is, and it's not a bumper sticker answer, since your answer, how do we know because what you're saying is that certain people have a title to a highly contested region.

“They own it in some deep sense. So I think it's fair to ask, who are they and how do we know?”

So the current prime minister's ancestors weren't from here within recorded history, there he has no deed, leaving Netanyahu on one side is families from Poland. They're from Eastern Europe. So how do we know that he has a connection to the people who God promised the land to Abrams descendants? How do we know that? Well, if you take the genealogies that come not only from the old, but the New Testament, you see that there is a historical connection through the entirety of

the old and the New Testament that details the Jewish connection to this land. Does that include

people? How do you know what? Why is that crazy? If you say to me, if they speak the same language, if they worship the same God, if they follow the same Bible, if they follow the same cultures and

traditions, and they always pray next year in Jerusalem, and they pray for the peace of Jerusalem,

and they pray facing towards Jerusalem, does that not give you a little bit of a clue as to who they let's go through those things, because I would like to have a rationale. This is a conversation I've wanted. Bless you. Thank you for doing that. Let's just go through those things. Okay, so one of the things I admire most, but Israel is they resurrected a dead language in 1948. Good for that. Well, they really didn't resurrect it. It was existent. Okay. I'm not,

that's not it, but it is a compliment. I'm not saying it. It is the first time in all of human history that a language has survived through this length of time. It's it's, I would call it,

“you might not, but I would call it a miracle. One of many, okay, then you can, I think it's wonderful”

someone who loves language. Danielle's parents did not speak Hebrew. Okay, they didn't live in this region. And Danielle, who the founders of this country were mostly secular, some of them were about atheists. They were not praying for the peace of Jerusalem. They weren't praying at all because they didn't believe in God. There's no genealogy linking their families to the people of this land 3,000 years ago. They're not. So how do we know, since they didn't share a language, they didn't

share a religion. They had no religion whatsoever. How do we know that they had a right to come here from Eastern Europe? And, but they were scattered. They were scattered all over the world. There were many any the open. They were in Russia. They were in Poland. They were throughout Asia. Jews were all over the place, but they were still Jews. But they were still Jews. Okay, so then let me get to the number of the questions. Since again, a lot is it's take a lot of money as it's take. Land is very

valuable. Israel has a lot of resources. By the way, if you're accused of crime, you can hide here. That's pretty good passport to have. It's a good thing, right? So who's entitled to it? I don't understand it. And you're very discouraged. And then I say it's from asking this question for some reason. It's a totally rational, not discouraged. You're not discouraged. Yeah, others do. You're like the only person I can have this conversation with. It will be like, shut up, not see. It's a foundational

“question. Are you speaking of an ethnic group or a religious group? Well, I think you're looking”

at for many people. It is religious. There are people who may not have a deep religious connection to Judaism, but they're still Jews. Okay. So it's an ethnic category. It is ethnic, but it is also religious. It is rooted in religion. You can't take it out of it. Now that means that it's how can an atheist? Well, I will tell you this, there are some people who say, I'm Christian. They

never go to church. They never pray. They never read their Bible. They don't tithe, but they're not

entitled to citizenship on the basis of that. They still call themselves Christians, even though they identify a bit way. Here's the difference. You're saying that people who have this identification have a deed to a huge chunk of land on the Mediterranean. Okay. So there's, it's a right. You keep telling it's a right. So it's totally fair to say, if you come to my house and say, I've got the title to your house, I get to ask, may I see it? Where'd you get it? And that's

exactly what happened here. People from Europe, Eastern Europe came here in a lot of cases, atheists, and kicked out a lot of people who lived here. They lived here. Well, but they did not just throw people. They bought a lot of land. There's no pressure about that. There's not a lot of land. But they also had a lot of time when you kicked out a lot of people in the war. It was a war. I agree. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not really getting the history. I'm

just saying it's a fact. Okay. Including a lot of Christians, a lot of Christians wound up fleeing.

And they lost their homes. And they've never been allowed back. And all of this was justified

on the basis of this identity that forms that is the ticket to the right that you keep referring to. So my question is very simple. I'm going to wait patiently for an answer. Does this right derive from religious affiliation or from genetics? And I would say it's both. But I would also say that when you said the Christians were kicked out, Tucker Christianity is growing in Israel. Okay, but and there is a big lie that goes out there. But no, let me finish this because I keep hearing

that Christians are really not treated well in Israel. That's simply, that's a lie. Well, there's a lot of, there are lots of different, there were 34,000 Christians in Israel in

“1948. There are 184,000 Christians here today. And by Israel, what are you counting?”

You talking about the land? What, what, what territory are you counting? You're counting about Israel proper. Are you counting about Israel? West Bank is well in Gaza. I mean, what do you, when you say Israel, those numbers apply to what landmass? It would be in Israel proper. Okay,

very well in the Muslim control countries. There's almost no Christians in Qatar, for example,

except those who live in the Christian ghetto who are the service workers. I'm sorry. I look, I don't want to argue with you. There are many more Christians in Qatar than there aren't Israel. That's not true. What, it actually is true. And I refer you to Wikipedia, Mr. Ambassador. Wikipedia, the, I refer you to the government of Qatar, the government of Israel. These are noble facts. Like, I'm, and I'm in Jordan. By the way, numbers are down in Syria. The numbers are down

and love the numbers are down there. They're just to argue that there are about twice as many Christians, but they live in, on clay they are not native Qataris. Okay, we're mixing so many different categories here. I'm just saying, I get things wrong all the time. You've just gotten

“something wrong. And I think it's important to acknowledge it. There are many more Christians in”

Qatar than there aren't Israel. Fact. How many? Now you caught me. I don't know. I can look at my

phone, but I was just there. There are many more, like whatever. But I just want to get to the point that forms the basis of this whole conversation, which is who has a right to the land? Yeah. And you said it's a mixture of religion and ethnicity, because as I noted and you agree, many of the founders, maybe the majority of the founders of modern Israel did not believe in God at all. So they were not religious Jews. They weren't religious at all. They were atheists. They were atheists. I believe them.

So that suggests it's ethnic. But it's also true as you well know, because there's a famous court case about this, that ethnic Jews who convert to Christianity do not have the right to return. That was settled by these really Supreme Court. I'm very confused. So that would suggest it's not ethnicity, because you invalidate your Jewishness by converting to Christianity. There

“are a number of Messianic Jews who live in Israel. I'm who are here. I'm aware of that number.”

But you're not contesting what I'm saying, because it's a very famous court case where the right of return has to do with your mother, your grandmother, it has to do with faith. So it's ethnic. There is a lot of the sure ethnicity is a big part of the right of return. Great to make Alayah, then to come to Israel, then live here. Then if both of your parents are Jewish and you have an ethnic right to the land, you are one of Abrams descendants, but you convert to Christianity.

How is it that you don't have the right to return? I'm totally confused. But I know a number of people who have returned as Christians, but have Jewish history are you saying that Jews who convert to Christianity have a right, a legal right to return. Because I know that they do, whether when you say, do they have a right to return? Do they prove? It's a legal category, as an end of government, which is by their family history, their grandmother, their mother,

“and their many aspects of that. I've read it. I think that I've noted the wonderful Christian.”

And they came here, made Alayah, they had Jewish blood, Jewish history, they were Christian, Messianic, but they came here and they were welcomed here. And they were given full legal rights absolutely in a passport. So clearly, it's not true that you invalidate your right of return by converted Christianity. That's just false. I'm not aware of that. I know that there are a number of Christians here. I got to church with Christians every week here. Of course. And there's

you have a right to come and say, I am an ethnic Jew, even though I practice Christianity. Therefore, I have every bit as much right to move into a settlement in the West Bank or into Easter. Or anywhere I want, Gally, anywhere, because I'm returning to the land of my forefathers of a legal right in the state of Israel, even though I've converted to Christianity. You're saying, that's true. I'm saying, I know people have done it. Now, can I tell you what the law,

specifically? I'm not sure. Well, it's really interesting. I don't have any Jewish roots. So, therefore, I cannot quote you the law. If you want me to do that, I'll look at it really matters, because you're saying, in fact, people in the United States are being called anti-Semites, a lot of them, including me, because they somehow don't believe that Israel has a right to this land. Do you think Israel has a right to this land? No, you haven't defined what the land is,

and you haven't defined to Israel. So, I really don't know if it is the land they're living in, now the borders that they have. The borders are moving. The borders have moved in the last year. What do you mean the borders have moved? Well, they are the 1967 borders. I'm including, you know, the West Jerusalem and Jewish. What are the borders of Judea and Samaria? Well,

you basically take the Jordan River and it's west of the Jordan River to the Mediterranean sea,

to the Lebanon border, and Israel did have control of the Sinai. They gave that to Egypt. They had control of it. No, I gave it away in 1979 in the peace agreement.

Judea and Samaria. There's a significance to that that I don't fully understand against it.

It's a biblical, it's the biblical. 80% of the Bible happened in Judea and Samaria. We've also established that the Bible gives Jews the right to occupy the land from the now to the Euphrates. So, I'm very confused by why we've shrunk the land and why we're digital has shrunk the land.

“They have made that decision. That's why they gave away now. Now's the point for giving away a last thing.”

Abrams descendants are the ones who have the right to have this land. Correct? Yes. Okay. Why don't we do genetic testing on everybody in the land and find out who Abrams descendants are? It's really simple. We've cracked the human genome and we can do that. Why don't we do that?

Would you be against doing that? I have no idea what that would prove. I mean, maybe it would be.

What do you mean? What it would prove who Abrams descendants are and who has a right to live here and who doesn't according to the theology that you yourself just explained. And so, I'm very confused as to why we don't do that. If you believe the theology that you've just explained to me, would we do that all over the world? And everybody says the only country in the world that you've said has this covenant with God that this people have a moral and legal right to the land.

What about people who convert to Judaism? Would they have a right? Well, you've just you've just said there are not Judaism, so you just told they can make all of y'all they may not have.

You've just told me that it doesn't matter. You told me moments ago trying to keep track.

Okay, but it doesn't matter whether or not you believe in God or whether or not you practice Torah Judaism or rabbinic Judaism, which is something else that I don't even know if we should, I don't even know what that means. But it doesn't matter whether you're quote a religious Jew or not.

“What matters is that you are part of the Jewish people to whom God gave this land that extends”

from the Nile to the Euphrates. And so if you believe that wouldn't you want to know with a burning passion who those people are and because of science we can now know who those people are. So why aren't we finding out? I guess you could propose a DNA test for everybody who comes here, everybody who lives here. But I'm coming for a secular nation stage where it's none of this is done on the basis of blood. I'm uncomfortable with that. I'll just say that. But there are people who may

not have bloodlines, but who have converted to Judaism. Are they going to be able to live here? Are you going to kick them out? By your standards, they can't live here because you've just said no, no, they have a right to live here because God gave them the land because they're the descendants of Abraham. They're the citizens of Abraham. But if they're the spiritual descendants of Abraham,

“and they've now decided that they're converting to Judaism, then do they have a right to live in Israel?”

Well, there's a whole legal literature in Israel on that question and my understanding is that certain types of modern Judaism qualify a person and other types don't. Is that your understanding? I don't believe that people converted and I could have this wrong. But I know people who face this person and people, I don't believe people who've converted in a reform synagogue have the right of return. I don't think that is because I know people who've married into Jewish families

and they find out they don't have the right of return. So that is perplexing to me. Yeah, I know, you know, my experience is a little different than yours. I know people who have definite Jewish connections, family relations, but now they're Christian. Some are not necessarily practicing Jews. They're more secular Jews, as you've discussed. But they come back here. Okay, I'm not against that. I'm just wondering, since you have since you began this conversation

by asking me, did I think they had a right to come here? Yeah, that's my question. Was on what basis do they have the right thing? Because God granted it to me. And I also said because that there should be a land where Jews could live in peace and safety. And I asked you what a Jew was and you couldn't answer it. You said, it partly is religious, but doesn't have to be. It's partly genetic, but it doesn't have to be. And so that you can see the way. I think I was

very clear that being Jewish is an identification either through blood, or through faith, that you're Jewish. It may be that you're a blood Jew, but you don't necessarily practice Judaism, just like there are people who say they're Christian, but they don't do a thing to demonstrate what Christian. A lot of bad Christians, including me, some of the time, a lot of the time. But I don't have a right to real estate on the basis of my claim of Christian.

But if you're talking about a land, I think what we're talking about is that's all I'm saying. I'm saying. And there was a designation to the family of nations of the world

“that there would be a Jewish homeland. Let's get to that point. Because I think you've taken us”

on several trials here, and I'm not sure we can follow them all. But is there a reason that the Jewish people that represent, and I want to get back to this because you didn't let me finish while I go, they represent 0.2% of the world's population. In the entirety of the world,

they're about 16 million Jews total. And 8 million of them live here. The rest live,

mostly in New York or South Florida, and in a few other places. Okay. So this is a small population of people. They have connection to this land. Historically, biblically, do they? Yes, they do. If BBs family, we know they lived in Eastern Europe. There's no evidence they ever lived here. He's not religious. But in what sense? I don't mean really, do you have his family tree now? We don't. Do you? He doesn't. So no one does.

That's the point. So how do we know that he's in care of the community? And if there has been a practice of Judaism and a connection to the language, the Bible, the land, his ancestors didn't. He doesn't practice Judaism in any rigorous way. His ancestors didn't. If you're, they didn't

speak the language. And there's no evidence they ever lived here. So in what basis, to see ever

writing much speaks the language, he has fought for the land. His family has fought for the land. No, I'm not talking about his question, which is where does this right come from? And the reason it's meaningful to that is because there are a lot of people in the territory that Israel controls today, particularly in the West Bank, who through genetic testing, we can know their families have been here for thousands of years. We don't know whether they practice Judaism,

whether they were smartens, but pre Islam. We don't know that. A lot of them we know have been Christians for 2,000 years. They have less of a right to the land than someone who's ancestors.

“The only thing we know about them is they lived in Latvia or Poland. They're Eastern European.”

How does that work? They're Jewish by what definition? They're Jewish by their, but how do we know they have anything to do with their Jewish body? They're Jewish by the connection to the language, Jewish by the connection to the Torah, but how do we know that BBs, specifically BBs, ancestors ever lived here? How do we know that? I'm not sure if I understand your question. How do we know if the Prime Minister of Israel's ancestors ever lived? Maybe I could ask you,

how do we know they didn't? I mean, they're on the basis of the claim that they did that all kinds of things happen. People are displaced. Money flow. I mean, it's a big question. A lot of things on this. It's not some theoretical thing like, oh, you know, do my grandparents do this or do that? It's like, no, no, we have a right to be here because my ancestors were here. Okay, how do we know they were here? I'm totally unable to process what you're trying to get at.

It goes back, do Jewish people have any land on this planet that should be theirs. I feel that way about all peoples. I feel that way, but Jewish peoples, I feel that way about them. Okay, then, then you don't mind them having this ability? Is there any country? Let me ask you

“this bluntly, is there any country that European peoples have a right to exclusively?”

I think they have attained their land through conquest. I mean, let's ask ourselves,

Britain's attaining their landland. There's conquest and they've always been there. The Romans,

the Greeks, you know, let's speak. No, no, let's speak. Well, you could certainly say that you're the Romans, the Romans controlled this, as you know, and they expel the donating more Jerusalem. Amen. I want them to control it. I mean, I'm anti-Roman. Okay, we're on this big. Okay. But my question is very simple. Is there any European peoples that possesses the same right to their land that the Jews, including people whose ancestors lived in Eastern Europe, possesses here?

The Britons, we know, the British people, the Scandinavian people, the Irish people. Their ancestors have been there for thousands of years. That's provable. Through genetic testing. Do they have a right to their land exclusively? Is anyone saying they don't? Yes. Of course. Yes. No one will say they will. And I'm asking you do they have that right? And I'm not sure what, what that question involves because no one is

trying to force them out of their land of their homes. But here, you answer that question, just because I just did. So the Irish people have the same right to their land that the Jews have a biblical connection. Okay. But I'm a Bible believer. Okay. So that is, but it's also a principle.

they were able to attain it through war. They were able to attain it when it was challenged. I understand that. There's some kinds of consequences. But we can't say that about the Irish borders change all the time. Not actually the borders of the island of England have not changed nor the nor, but the Northern Ireland. Those are just two examples. You've got the indigenous people there. Do they have

“a moral right to that as their homeland? And I think they would probably say, yes, we do because we have”

ancient history do I think? I've never thought about whether or not I'm raising the

question and you've spent a lot of time thinking about the right of the Jewish people to their homeland. Do the Irish have the same right to a homeland? As long as they can defend it. And as long as they, you know, as long as they can defend it, the Tucker hears the point. I can tell you, wait, hold on, hold on. Now you just flip that here. You're the minister here. Yeah. And I'm telling you, I can defend it. And if they can't allow you to tell you that

I think that what is very, very special here is that there is a biblical, as well as an ethnic, and a historical. So you can take any one. But if you add them all together, the biblical historical and ethnic, you have a very strong case that the Jewish people are living in a land that is indigenous to them, that has been their historic homeland for 3,800 years. You can repeat it as well. And you can also look in the archaeology, the stones cry out.

Okay. You've been to the city of David for a long time. Okay. So you know then that and I love you.

It's amazing place. It may be the greatest archaeological discovery in all of history.

Because it's great. It's stunning. And they still continue to find things that date the Jewish people to this land archaeologically for 3,800 years. We can, we can date the Britain, the British people, so they have land much longer, much thousands of years longer. Stonehenge is 3,000 years older than any building built by the descendants of Abraham in this country. And so I just, it's fine. Yeah. I'm not trying to invalidate anyone's right. I'm just wanting you to affirm that right,

“but it makes you uncomfortable and you won't. And I don't know why. Because I've never, honestly,”

set down and asked myself, are the lines around the, it's an eye, so you know what the lines are? I'm, I'm saying, but are those lines? Are those rooted in something other than the historical

connection? Well, great. Then they should have it. But that's a question. But then you said if they

can defend it, and if they can't defend it, they lose the right. But I didn't say it was exclusive one of the other. I think you're really going off. I just want to know if these principles apply universally or if they only apply to the people of Israel. We, my answer appears to be just the people of Israel. They're the only ones with these rights. And I just reject that. I didn't say that, but I'm saying we are talking about Israel. We're in Israel. We're talking about

Christian Zionism because you've made some disparaging statements about Christian Zionist. You've apologized for which I appreciate. And now we're trying to define Christian and Zionist. And it seems like we've gone way, way off of drag. As you suggested, it's a former debater at the outset. I'm trying to get to terms in a calm understanding of what the words mean. And the term, and I'm no closer to that than I, than I was when I began, you're not closer

to the term of Christian. What that means? I think it's someone who follows Jesus. And that's my next question. A lot of Christians in the West Bank. And there were a fair amount of Christians in Gaza and some of them have been killed. There were 5,000 in Gaza. Yeah. And two different churches were hit by the IDF. Christian hospitals hit seven times by the IDF. And I don't understand that they were not hit seven times. There were different, I know. And one of the times it was a

rocket that was shot by Hamas and all the news agencies reported that the IDF shot the rocket. They said the IDF ever hit the hospital or the churches. They did accidentally because and they apologized for it. And it was very unfortunate. But they also, you got to remember, there were times Hamas often hit caches of arms under hospitals. You bother by the fact that the IDF hit Christians? I'm bothered that anyone got killed in Gaza. But you know why I'm bothered a Christian because

“here's the thing. Can't say that the Christians are Islamic extremists. No, but I can say that”

I would expect them to decide with the Christians over the secular government of Israel. But I would look at it even more broadly. I would ask you this, why was there so much suffering and continues to be suffering and Gaza? It's because Hamas, which could have built a Singapore built a Haiti, they had a land mass the size of Las Vegas. They built tunnels underneath that are larger than the London underground over 500 miles of tunnels. They didn't build it to move

people from one hospital to the other, one marketplace to the other. But to hide terrorist, to hide weaponry. And on October 7, they went over that and a massacre 12 hundred civilians,

Please don't. I'm not going to. But I'm involved by it. How many civilians have been killed

by the IDF in Gaza? We don't know. We don't know. What's your guess? Well, the only numbers we have come from this dubious entity called the Gaza Health Ministry. You know who that is? What's Hamas? Well, Hamas. We also know that a lot of the people who were killed were in fact warriors, sadly, I mean, a kids were killed. We don't know. What's your guess? I don't know. I'm sure it was thousands. And it's thousands. And many kids were killed. Some of the kids who were killed

had been recruited to be in the military. Kids as young. There were 14. There were kids. Did you hear yourself? I just said that there were kids as young as 14. There were who hooded to be Hamas soldiers who were given arms. How do you fix all of that? It's being killed.

“I think it's horrible. You know what? I also think it's horrible. I think it's horrible. The”

1,200 people were slaughtered by an agreement across the border. I could 252 people were taken hostage, 48 of the 1,200 were Americans anymore. And then when our lives equine Hamas could have ended this on October the 8th and given all the hostages up, they didn't

leaving no choice. You're never going to get me to defend Hamas. I'm not pro Hamas. I totally

opposed to slaughtering in a sense, whether Hamas does it or whether the government of Israel does it in much larger numbers. And the reason I'm opposed to it is because I'm a Christian. And I believe that all souls are created by God. I did don't do not disagree with that whole heartedly. But I said, how many children have been horrible thing? Period. And we don't know. We know that a lot of the numbers were reported by God. I said, you think thousands of children

have been killed. Yeah. And a lot of times, you know why? They got killed because Hamas

“would gather up the children and put them in the targets. Do you know what Israel does?”

They send page messages and they send texts to every cell phone in Gaza and they say we're going to hit this particular target. They drop leaflets and they announce where they're going to hit. Nobody does that. U.S. doesn't do that. Israel does that in order to prevent this. They do this in order to prevent civilian casualties. What Hamas does, they say, oh, this is the target. And by gunpoint, they push people into those various places. And then when people get killed,

they say, look, Israel just slaughtered these people. Even though it was Hamas who moved them into harm's way, knowing that it was going to put them in a place of danger and death and destruction. And they do that because they don't care. You say you care about life. I care about life.

It's interesting that they don't care about why. Lots saying they lost us. You're never going

to get me to defend Hamas. I'm good. I'm anti-Haman said that three times. And I believe your dig at the United States is very revealing. Why is it revealing? Because your priorities are very

“clear. No, no, no. Yes, they are. Yes, they are. And is it American permit me a moment of outrage?”

Because I said many civilians have been killed. You said right in the middle of your elaborate defense of the IDF's killing of civilians, including children, you said they do a better job than the United States does. That's my country and my government. It's my country. I consider foot flag in my wearing here. Well, I'm asking why is it flag in my wearing? Well, that's, of course, my flag as well. And it's my flag. It's who I serve. So why the dig at the United States?

In the middle of a dig. It was. No, no, no, no. You have totally misrepresentation. What did you mean by that? I did not take a dig at the U.S. What I'm saying to you. So the IDF is more humane than the U.S. I'm saying. No, I'm just saying that Israel takes steps that we don't take in no other country that I'm aware of takes to try to prevent. Because no matter what Israel does, they're going to get accused of genocide. That may be right. And I'm

just telling you that day. But then let me ask you on that question. I'm okay. That's such a politically loaded. But I resent the idea that you think that I'm not loyal to the U.S. What does I say? Look, I'm not saying not loyal. I'm merely noting what you just said, which was that the IDF takes greater pains in the U.S. Our military does despair civilian lives. And I guess my question is, when was the last time the U.S. military killed this many civilians?

Do you know? Well, it could have been Nagasaki, Hiroshima, could have been Iraq, Afghanistan. We don't know the full number. And I think most Christians would say all of those things were atrocities, because innocence were killed in large numbers. And we don't believe in that. And so that's not really a defense, is it? I know it's a horrible thing, Tucker. And there are people who end up, unfortunately, being killed that shouldn't have been. I would tell you that

I wish that none of those people in Gaza had been killed after October 8. Well, I say, not none of them.

master-minded and carried out the atrocities like four to several Hamas operatives. How do you feel with their deaths? If they participated in that, then God help them. I'm telling you to say, I don't know they have ever 14 years. No, but I'm telling you that when someone commits the acts of atrocity, and then they hold hostages, if these were your children being held hostage in Gaza, what would you do to get them out? I wouldn't want to kill 14-year-olds. I'll tell you that.

Let me ask you something. Would you do whatever it took to get your kids back if they were being tortured, rape, starred, and not killed children, period? Well, I'm just telling you,

and I would never make excuses for killing children either. And I'm not talking about

targeting children. I'm talking about, told me that 14-year-olds deserve to die because they're working for Hamas. I'm telling you, my question is, can you hear yourself? I do hear myself. So do you think a 14-year-old child has agency? Do you think that he deserves to die because he's being used by adults, isn't his death a crushing tragedy? He's holding a gun,

“and he's pointing at someone who's trying to save a hostage, and the only way to say that hostage,”

I'm telling you, war is a horrible thing. It's a horrible thing. And a lot of, and I think I'm the one who thinks war is a horrible thing. No, no, no, I think what you do, I'm trying to explain how horrible it is, and you're saying that the 14-year-old deserve to die. We don't execute 14-year-olds. You're putting words in my mouth that I don't know what you're saying. You never said "deserved to die." I say there are people who die that is unfortunate. But I'm saying that

you are not giving Israel credit for having done everything they possibly could to a level that

quite frankly, in urban warfare, there has never been a war. I mean, it is criticizing Israel, but

it's a foreign country, and I would much rather criticize the foreign country than my own. Feel free to do that. They can have a look. Have it against our country? No, it is really good. Better job than our military. No, I simply gave you the illustration, and I helped you understand that Israel goes to links that no other country, including ours goes to, in the middle of an urban war, and yet Israel ended up with fewer civilian deaths in an urban war than any urban war of

records. You said you didn't know how many civilian deaths there were, so how can you say that? If you took Gaza's numbers, Hamas's numbers, you said you would see the numbers are. We don't just told me that then how can you say it's a lower number? But if you took the numbers that they reported, which is like 50,000, 24, 25,000, those were actual warriors, how many civilians if you took all those brains from 178, those ones I just read. I don't know if that's real.

I don't know. I thought that was for you. I'm not a seller. I have those numbers. I've not heard have not read the numbers that I think are more reportable or somewhere in the 60,000 range. Where are those most from? From the Gaza Health Ministry, which is those mocks, valid numbers. I think they are. I don't think that they're accurate, but I'm saying let's just say they're inaccurate, but they prove that Israel is done. I'm doing great job. Just assume that the most

widespread numbers, the largest numbers that have been reported out of Gaza by Hamas,

“yes. Let's assume they're true. That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying they are true,”

but assume they're true. Let's just take them at their word. Then you still have a lower number of civilians killed in an any urban warfare environment in modern history. Fact. Is that a fact? Yes. What are you comparing it to? To any urban war? Anyone. Iraq? Where Afghanistan? Where Iraq? Where in Afghanistan? There are many urban areas in Afghanistan. I don't think it was any fighting in urban areas in Afghanistan.

Kabul? I don't know. Was there, was there, were there pitch battles in Kabul for a long period of time? I don't 20 years in Kabul? I don't throughout all of Afghanistan. But what was what were those rates? You're talking about what are the rates there? You're just a number of people who were killed in the tens of thousands. I'm asking you to, I don't know the answer.

I've never heard of any of this. You brought it up. You said the IDF has killed a lower

proportion of civilians in urban warfare than any urban conflict in our history. I've never heard that before. I don't know what are the controls for that. You said, well, would you marry the US military killed more civilian? Would you agree that the real tragedy was that Hamas continued to force this war? Hold on. You just once again said that the IDF is more humane than the United States military. You just said that. You said in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US military

killed more civilians than the IDF did in Gaza. You just told me, I never heard that before.

“And my question is, how do you know that? What are those numbers?”

And I'm trying to explain to you that there were extraordinary efforts to keep the number numbers. I think there were tens of thousands. I'll get them for you. Will you brought it up? That's the only reason I'm pushing it out. But you, I'm wearing a flag. I've worked for a country. And you pretended are alleged that somehow I'm not loyal to this. So that I'm just saying. I'm trying to make it a better job than the

So on what basis are you making the claim that the IDF and Gaza spared more civilians than the

US Army and Marine Corps did in Afghanistan than Iraq? Why are you saying that? Like, on what basis are you saying that? From the conversations that I've had with the people who fought there. And I don't have the exact numbers for you. But what I'm trying to help you to understand and I don't think you're willing to go there is that there was no desire to kill people indiscriminately in Gaza. I don't think there was any desire to kill people indiscriminately in Iraq, Afghanistan,

Syria. Let me just say, I think I know a bunch people serve in the IDF. And I don't believe your average IDF soldier wants to kill innocents. I just want to be really clear about that.

I don't think most soldiers want to do that. I think a lot of them in our country in Israel

“wind up doing that because that's what war is about and it really hurts them. I know people who've”

done it personally and really well. And it like wrecks their lives. But I don't think your average soldier wants that in this country or any other. The leadership is a different question. And I want to refer you very specifically to a number of speeches. The Prime Minister, your friend Benchman Netanyahu gave in the aftermath of October 7th, including one in November of that year, when he referred to Amalek. Amalek is a reference. A biblical reference of course you'll be

very familiar with that. The Amalekites were a tribe described throughout the Bible, particularly in for Samuel that obstructed the Jews as they fled Egypt. And God tells Samuel to give the instructions to Saul to kill the Amalekites. And he says, and I'm sure you remember this is in for Samuel 15, of course I'm sure. I know you know it. He says, kill the men, kill the women, kill the children, kill the infants, kill the donkeys, kill the camels, kill everything. And Saul spares the king

and he spares the animals. And for that he lukies punished by God. That is genocide. God is calling

“for genocide of the Amalekites of Amalek. And the Prime Minister of Israel, at least once I believe”

on other occasions, described the Palestinians in Gaza as Amalek. That's calling for genocide. And you know that. I totally disagree. I don't mean what it means. Because to say that Israel

was attempting to commit genocide, first of all, that's simply not true. I'm saying, what is the

Prime Minister talking about? Why would he refer to the Palestinians as Amalek? What is I don't have to ask him? I don't know. I know what Amalek is. I do understand, first Samuel 16. I get all that. First, Samuel 15. But I do understand it. And it's widely known. So if you say our enemy is Amalek and we are proceeding on the basis of God's commands to us, you are calling for genocide. Tell me how I'm missing. Because if Israel wanted to commit genocide, they could

have done it in two and a half hours. We can debate what's been done in Gaza. I'm asking you why the leader of this country. Ask him, well, what do you think? I don't know. Does that bother you at all? People? I don't know what he meant. I don't know if it was an illustrative metaphor.

“I think what he was saying was that we're not going to let anything keep us from getting our”

hostages back. Their sons and their daughters who were being brutalized, raped, tortured, starved, beaten. Come on, Mr. Mass. No, there are many examples of justice in the dead. The dead will. But there if Israel gets accused of genocide, regularly. I'm not accusing Israel of anything. I'm saying that the prime minister of Israel described the past. Do you think he promised you to do genocide? I'm asking why of all the references

in the Bible and there are many to justice and there are many to reconciliation that is a reference to genocide as you know, killing every man, woman, child and infant. I'm quoting and their animals, wiping them from the earth. And when they don't do that, they're punished. When you say that at the outset of a war, and then you wind up with massive civilian casualties, maybe not as big as they were in Iraq, then I have to ask you, what is that? And is that kind

of thinking consistent with Western values and with Christianity? Do we as Christians believe it's okay to kill people's children? No, we don't. And neither do the Israelis because they didn't go after their children. If they wanted to kill all their children, Tucker, they've got the military capacity. They could have done it in less than a day. I've heard you say that. I know, I mean, I just think it could have done. Okay, but why didn't they? Why didn't they? I think

there are a lot of decent people in Israel who don't want that. But I'm talking to you think that the prime minister wanted to wipe out every single person in Gaza. I'm really saying that. You what you think is the US representative. Yes, our government. I don't think that's what he wanted to

any evidence that Israel tried to wipe out every single person. I just gave you examples

that they tried to save civilian life. But I'm not. And they didn't wait. I'm not. As I've said

“and I mean this, I think most soldiers in most armies, including the Israel Defense Force,”

don't want to kill civilians. I just don't believe that. I think there are some mutants. Can I ask you something? Yes. You platformed a guy. You head him on your show, Tony Aguilar. Don't platform anyone. Well, you interview. Not a little, so I don't platform you. Okay. You interviewed Tony Aguilar who claimed that IDF soldiers killed a little boy in his presence. That didn't happen. Okay. It did not happen. I didn't know if you know whether it happened or not.

But I can tell you why I know it didn't happen. Because we found that little boy less than a week later. All right. I was involved heavily involved in helping to extricate him from Gaza. Four different countries were involved in getting he and his mother to safety get them out of their Tony Aguilar is a liar. Okay. Tony Aguilar claimed that he saw an IDF soldier shoot the little boy. He was fired from the GHF for calls and he begged for his job back and they wouldn't give

it back because they didn't want it. And he told him that if they didn't give his job back, that he would burn him down. Okay. So he goes out. No, let me finish the case. No, I'm for him to understand. Right. So this guy then goes out and makes up this story that he witnessed IDF soldiers shooting a little boy. I don't know that he made it up. He seemed to believe it to me. It's possible he's wrong. I've been wrong many times. Well, this is a little bit more than just

missing a fact. He claimed to have begun eyewitness to the murder of a little boy. A little boy that a week later, we found. And you're sure it's the same little boy. Absolutely. I don't know that. Because we had pictures of him. We had descriptions of him. We know his name. We know his mother. Okay. He was extricated out of Gaza. It was a very delicate situation to get him out because if Hamas had found out that he was still alive, they would have killed him in order to validate

“Aguilar's story. How do you know that? So he gets out. How do you know Hamas would have killed him?”

Why would they? Wouldn't they have wanted to kill him? Because that way they could have said that this story was true. Look, Aguilar. I'm just telling you what you're saying is true and I have no basis of knowing. Yeah. I'm really glad because I don't want little kids to get killed even 14 year olds. Okay. You shouldn't want anyone to go. But let me ask you, is it true? He also made the claim and he had audio of it in video too that U.S. contractors were using live ammunition

to disperse crowds. And he had video of that. Do you know if is did he make up that video?

There were times. Here's what happened. Crowds would come toward the sites. They were given verbal

warnings and then they were given additional verbal warnings and they were shots were fired either in the air, sometimes in the ground. And if they continued to come and threaten, there were times when there were people who were engaged in firefights. That happened. Oh, they were armed.

“Sometimes they were. They were. Do you know specific instances where they were armed?”

I can probably get you some specific information about it. I think I know the answer to that. I don't think there's any evidence to all that they were out. But I also know that you don't pay with using live ammunition at aid distribution sites for families, women and children. Very rarely did this happen here. How about at all? Are you okay with that? No. I'll tell you what I'm not okay. No, no, no. I think you are so trying to put words in my mouth. I said that they're

firing back. But then no evidence that they were on the Sunday afternoon. I can remember when there was widespread reports on BBC CNN and in New York times and they said that 27 people were killed at a feeding site. We had video extensively over that site. Not one single person, not only were they not shot, nobody was shot at. There was not one bit of violence that happened at that feeding site trying to get me to defend BBC. I'm not going to do that. It's like defending

a loss. I agree with you. I don't believe anything I see in the media. It's just that it's really simple. If people are using and these were American contractors, but these are not Israelis. I'm aware of American contractors run by some crypto minister or something was running the group. If they're using a live ammunition at an aid distribution site, that strikes me it's totally unacceptable. They were not firing. Does it seem acceptable to you? They were not

firing with people got killed. There's a way to some of those people got killed because Hamas were trying to keep them from getting to the aid distribution sites because Hamas was controlling

the food. Hamas made $500 million selling the food that was supposed to be given away for free.

defend Hamas that they were trying to do is to keep people from going to the sites where they

telling you the first thing that people said was, wow, this is the first time we've had food that we got for free. Is it okay to buy an armed people? I just told you it wasn't. That's awful. Yeah, that's awful. Of course it's awful. Are all lives equal? Do you think? Of course they are. So the death of Palestinian is every bit as important significantly as the death of this workers. That wouldn't be. Of course it is. I don't know. There's no such thing as a human

soul that God made that is less valuable than another. I'm pro-life. I believe that every life has intrinsic worth in value. There's no such thing as a worthless or a completely disposable

“life. That's what makes me pro-life, Tucker. I totally agree. And I believe that from the conception”

until the end of natural life. Why I would never say when confronted with the death of children

war is terrible because it minimizes the deaths of those children. It's awful. I don't think it minimizes. I think it is outrageous. It's a terrible thing. I wish we never had war. Why do we have war? We're about to have one with Iran. It looks like how many Americans do you think will die in that war? I hope none. None died last year when we participated in the 12-day war. Not one. I said 20,000 would die. They didn't. I said could. And they could have.

And they could die now. And that's a real risk. How many boots on the ground do you think the U.S. is supplied for Israel over the course of its life? How many times have we put soldiers on the ground for Israel? Well, we had the Iraq war, which was for Israel. No, it was for Israel. How was it for us? Well, because it was a retribution against 9/11. Now was it the best idea? Was it rockin' involved in that one? Our government thought so. Why are 9/11 documents

“still classified? I have no idea. Should they be unclassified? I think so. All of them, right?”

I have no problem with that. I like transparency. I like sunlight. I do. I hope you'll call for the light free press. I like free speech. I totally agree. I really like all of that. But if no,

if there was no connect, I've never seen, I'm open to anything. But I've never seen any connection

between the government of Saddam Hussein, the secular-bathest government of Saddam Hussein and the terror attacks of 9/11. I don't know that there were. I don't know. Right. So, I'm not sure, but I don't know how it was. So why did this been that Israel's fault? Well, Benzman Netanyahu, now prime minister, of course, exerted lots of pressure openly on the U.S. government to take out to regime change the Saddam government. I was there. It was in Washington. And they complied.

I don't think there's any way to read it. I don't think, do you think Israel leads the U.S. and pushes them and tells them what to do? Not on everything, of course. You think, what I think, let me be specific. I think the Israeli government strongly push the United States to take out Saddam Hussein. But there's no question about that. I think the Israeli government right now on BB Netanyahu has been in the White House seven times in one year pushing for

regime change in Iran. I think they're on the verge of convincing the administration to affect regime think the president is weak and is being pushed. You're not saying that. I know why I know. I know the president's being pushed. Why do you think a foreign leader was in the White House seven times in one year? Are you okay with that? That's a lot. You know, Israel is not just

a friend or ally. It is a real partner. We have an incredible relationship with Israel in intelligence

and in military, in culture, in values. You know, to be a shock that the Israeli Prime Minister would have that many meetings. It's a lot. But I want to ask you the question. Do you think President Trump is weak enough to let BB Netanyahu who push him into something that he does? I don't. Look, I think, and I don't know, of course, the answer to the question, including this one, but I think the president Trump really doesn't like nuclear proliferation. And I don't think

he wants Iran to have a bomb. I think he really sincerely hope you don't want them to have a bomb. Want them to have a bomb? I don't want anyone to have a bomb, including Israel. I don't know why it were okay with Israel having nuclear weapons. I'm not. I'm not okay with Pakistan having them. I'm not okay with Saudi having them. Israel's nuclear weapons were created, of course, with nuclear material stolen from the United States from a nuclear plant in Pennsylvania as I know you know.

I'm opposed to all of it. I don't like nuclear weapons. It's mass murder as far as I'm concerned. So no, I don't want to run to have a bomb, obviously. The question is, what are the potential

“costs? And you have to factor that into any decision? And what are the costs if they'd”

were to get a nuclear bomb? They've said, for 47 years, death to America? Well, I don't think it's targeted. I don't think it's targeted President Trump specifically. Yeah, they hired a person that's asking me. Iran, BBC, and Hamas, not defending them. Good. All I'm screaming on that. I want our country is not thriving and we're spending, you know, tens and tens and tens of

goes? Goes to a lot of places. But let's talk about that a minute. $3.8 billion a year.

That money goes right back to the U.S. to purchase weapon systems. For example, every round of ammo that the IDF shoots is manufactured just outside where I live in Little Rock, Arkansas. The components, a lot of them for the iron dome and the era 3 missile defense systems, our manufactured near Camden, Arkansas, which needs it. By the way, Camden's economic depressed. You know the area. I do. And there are thousands and thousands of American jobs, and there are billions and billions of dollars

of expenditures that Israel makes in the U.S. And buys the things that we know how to fail to contracting works on from Washington. Okay. I know this. I guess what I'm saying is America's not thriving at all

“and America says, "Rolls fault." I don't think it's Israel. Okay. We'll go. I think I just think that what we're”

doing isn't working at all. And I mean, it's not where the president is doing some amazing things to get us back

on track. I'm talking to that came from. Okay. I'm merely saying that over, say the last 20 years, America's not gotten richer or freer at all. And I come to Israel, the infrastructure we're flying in, and I said to my buddy, I was like, "Man, the first look's great. I love the agriculture in Israel because it's just beautiful. I love green. I love plants." I remember when it didn't look like that. Yeah. Yeah. First time I came in 53 years ago. It's great. It did not look like great.

It looks a lot nicer than our country. And it has higher standard of living. It has nicer roads than the United States. And so it's like, "Okay, why are we sending all this money to a country that is a higher standard of living than ours?" I don't know that they have a higher standard of

the living. They do, actually. They have free healthcare. They also have free abortion. Are you okay with that?

“I personally don't like that. Why would we be subsidizing? Why would we send any more?”

Why would we send any money to a country that provides free abortion? Because the money that we send does not pay for healthcare, does not pay for abortion. It pays for military people. It's like if they don't spend it on this, they'll spend it on that. But then we spend it on that. And then we get many more times back in the return of the investment when we say we're not sending all of any more money as long as you have free abortion. Well, that would be a policy decision.

That would be over for that. I would be okay with it because I hate abortion. I think it's horrible. I want to do hate it. I hate it. I want to be sending the money if they're paying for free. Because they're not paying for abortions with the money. And because we in turn get billions of dollars, the return of the investment is estimated somewhere between 400 and 1200. I just live there and I know, and I'm, by the way, I'm former American manufacturing, the defense industry is totally corrupt and

CD as you know. However, I like to see American companies thrive. Like it's complicated. I'm not an extremist or an absolute stunt. Really anything. Other than abortion. However, net net, as we say, our country's not really thriving. And we're also totally surprised that the case is it because we've done a lousy job controlling our borders, a lousy job of controlling lots of things. It's a lot of things. But we own that.

“I think President Trump is doing remarkable things to turn it around. I think I cannot imagine”

not in President Trump. I know, but if you're saying the country is in trouble, let's say we're out of money. Actually, it's what I'm credit to what the President is doing to get us out of debt because I think that what he's doing economically, I'm not supporting him. And I'm not attacking Trump. Okay. Just with those baseline agreements, it's also true that like our debt is not sustainable. And so given that, like, what do you think it will cost? What did it cost to move all these

to move the fleet off Iran into the Persian Gulf? A lot less than it would, to bury a lot of Americans, if they ever got a long range ballistic missile, a lot less. Yeah, I don't know if you'd understand that when Iran is told us for 47 years, they're going to kill us. Do you think they would do it if they had the capacity militarily? What would happen if Iran took out any of the energy facilities in the Gulf? Or took out a bunch of them? What would happen to the United States

economy? Do you think? Well, our economy probably would survive because we have energy and dependence. Thanks to President Trump. We would survive. Our economy is what would happen on our markets? What do you think would be a terrible thing to happen globally? It's why Iran is a global threat. It's why Iran through its proxies talker. This is another thing. People are not blowing up energy infrastructure right now, but if you try to machine change them, they have said that they,

well, I don't know if they will or not. I don't know if they either. Is that a risk that they have their own problems to defend if they try to do that and they lose their own energy capacity? So if they took out and I, again, I don't know what's going to happen and I guess we're not supposed to think about worst case because that makes us pro-islamic or something. But I'm an American and I don't want a depression in our country. It's too fractured on the stable right now. I don't

Not at all. I don't want it next year. Next week, 10 years ago, all these states are basically

in a state of insurrection against the federal government. They're not enforcing the most basic law of the land, which is immigration. And thank goodness President Trump is pushing back and he's great. I'm just saying to force if all of a sudden compliance, markets just tanked and gas crippled or whatever. And you've had, you know, like a severe recession or something worse, that's a massive cost. And I don't see anybody factoring in that possibility. Iran is said it will do it. You've

“said 10 times they're evil. Okay, believe me. Then why wouldn't they take out the category gas fields?”

They share with Qatar were refining petrochemicals extraction in any of the Gulf countries. That would cripple us. Well, you were generalized. Again, we have independence because President Trump

put measures in place that gave us the capacity. We set international energy prices in the United

States. In some ways, we do because our own market and our own production has a whole lot to do with what those world costs are going to be. You took Saudi energy production, a Qatar energy production, or Emirati energy production, and that is making an assumption that if there were regime change, that they would be more effective at attacking than we would be defending. And that's a pretty, you can, we defend the, the straights for moves. Can we defend all of that energy

infrastructures? Anyone even asking these questions or it's all like a Markle event episode, or like they're bad. Okay, certainly asking the questions. That's part of the whole process. Is it, I've raised this before and it's like shut up, Qatar's in, you're taking money from the

Jihadis. I've never taken a dime from anybody, obviously. I just care about the United States

“and it freaks me out and no one else seems worried about this. And caring about the US, you should”

care about the fact that the proxies of Iran have moved globally. 12 Central and South American countries have Hezbollah, deeply embedded, Venezuela, one of the worst. They're in the western hemisphere already. Do we know how many? Where would you rate that on the, on the, on the, like list of concerns for the average American Hezbollah in South America? I'm most American think about it. I think about it because I know what they do. I know that if it weren't for Iran,

there wouldn't be a mosque, there wouldn't be the hoodies, there wouldn't be Hezbollah. We wouldn't have the problem on the border with Lebanon. We wouldn't have the problem with Yemen. We wouldn't have the problem on the border with Lebanon. As I'm an American, I'm not having any problems on the border with Lebanon right now. I live in Maine. We don't have problems on the border of Lebanon. Like, what are you even talking about? No offense. There's 700,000 Americans

who live in Israel for one thing. Does that matter to you? Of course, every American. Okay, well good. Every life, you say matters the same. So that should matter. When I start my country, like, I'm not starting like shelling civilians and civilians get killed in this place. That should matter to all of us. I mean, there's a genocide going on like, in all kinds of different countries. There's a lot that's sad and broken about the world. We know that as Christians, Satan rules the

world. But our job as like members of a nation-state is look after our community, kind of your families, right? So I don't think any of the concerns that you've just raised,

“which I think are all real. I'm not distributing them at all. Or even in like the top hundred”

for Americans, you say how to run. The US government is spending this much time in money, worrying about things that are not on the list of Americans' concerns. Do we have self-government? Does it matter what Americans actually think or doesn't it? Of course it does. But it also matters. How much does it matter? What the threat is to Americans? Do you think there's a threat to Americans because of the proliferation of the proxies and arrived specifically there is? I'm not a pro-wrong.

But beyond conceivably, do you think that they mean it when they say for 40 seconds? Can I tell us like in my town and no one's doing anything about it at all? You know what I'm hearing a lot about? Do you think anything about that? No one's doing anything about it at all. Okay, that's a fact. We have a huge country. This is going to be a country that's not going to judge you with no resources. It's just a tiny little country.

We're from a huge continental-sized country that's totally diverse, very, very hard to manage in police and we have a lot of problems. And I just think if you ask Americans, what do they want to spend their time in money worrying about fixing, improving? No one's going to mention the board with Lebanon that I know. Do you think I doubt they will? But then why do I think that there are people that the U.S. government has monitoring

what the threats are to Americans long-term? Sure. Yeah, you think there's a threat. The question is when people-- We thought it was a 37-year-old. Well, but I don't know that Sedama ever said he was going to take down America, but the U.S. The Iranian regime has said for 47 years they are. Well, you just-- If they had the capacity of a long-range ballistic missile and nuclear capability,

sitting here last year, four wars that I went through in less than a year, the Iranians ran down ballistic missiles. Can I ask you a question? How much does it matter what Americans think?

“Well, it matters every bit what Americans think. That's why Americans vote. It's why Americans”

have the opportunity to set free speech. We want them to have that. Okay, so what percentage of Americans support a war with Iran? I don't know, do you know? I do. I think it's run. I saw the numbers yesterday with it. It was like 21%. Is that enough to have a war with Iran? We don't live in a world where you have a poll taken to find out where there are policy should be a particular direction. Because I thought you just said that's the response. We care deeply about it,

but on the other hand, do we make the decisions of foreign policy and even domestic policy based on weak intelligence? We care deeply about it. What sense? How, if we're ignoring it, then in what sense do we quote care deeply about it? Well, I think we care deeply when we see there's a threat.

No, but about Americans' opinions. So you've got 350 million Americans. They vote. They voted

in this last election on the basis in part of the promise no more wars. Okay. So now we're about to have a war looks like 80% of people are against it. In that range, let's say 70%, but no we're near majority support for this war. And it's not direct democracy, but it is a form of democracy. It's representative democracy. The ultimate form of democracy in our system and a republic, because we're not a true democracy, we're right. Exactly. It's immediate. It'll be an opportunity

for Americans to vote if they think that we've made the wrong policy decisions. I personally think the president is making the right policy. But I guess you just said it matters deeply what Americans think. And if the overall majority are against it, in what sense does it matter? Because what I hear is, it matters what they think, but it really doesn't matter what they think because you take it

in, you certainly ingest that. And then what it ultimately wants you ingest it. Then you make

you have, you just got it. It goes out the other end, obviously. No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't talker, but you also have information that the average American may not have. They may not know

“what the threat is. How many Americans know that Hezbollah is in 12 Western Hemisphere kind of?”

How many Americans care? Well, I would hope they would all care. How many Americans know that's from Iran, from terrorist cells, have come across Joe Biden's open border. How many Americans care about that? Okay. Why haven't they been rounded up? But they're trying, but you got all these blue state mayors and governors making it very different. I'll get it. But thank God President Trump is fine to get it done. Look, I'm totally all for that completely.

Okay. I guess what I'm saying is that most Americans, over, I've never met American who thinks

other than like the people who have ideological reasons to pretend they think that the imminent threat to America is anything having to do with Iran. The imminent threats to America include like bankruptcy, full too much debt, your son, Odin, unfent and all. Your neighborhood completely changing because unlike Israel, Americans don't have a right to their country, it can just be completely changed. By their legislator, new people can show up from foreign countries,

not speak your language, and there's nothing you can do about it because you don't have a right because you're not BB. Can you feel the resentment? Because it's real. I'm not against Israel. I'm against the totally destruction. You decide that very well. I'm mad at my lawmakers for not protecting my country with the care they've protected Israel. I don't think that your country, my country, our country, has meant that much time protecting Israel. I'll ask you a

little bit ago. I have no time protecting my country. No, I ask you. Well, actually they do. How they are the tip of the spear. Every enemy they have is our country. Things that are targeted

“toward us often go through them. How do we have 60 million illegal aliens if they protected my country?”

Well, that we didn't protect our country because we had a president that opened up the borders and didn't give a risk going on since Reagan. Since Reagan, 1986. Yeah, but that's 40 years President Trump, the credit for having closed the border. I'm giving, I love the fact. I can't paint for Trump because he said he was a board of human. Thank you, Trump. But we had Reagan. Then we had Bush. Then we had Clinton. Then we had Bush again. Then we had that guy Obama. And then you

know the presidents? Yeah. And they all presided over my country's total transformation from a nice clean, affluent, orderly society into like pretty comfortable, actually. That's not protecting us. That's behaving with total contempt for my country. You said Obama to go that we do more are you inferred that we do more of it is real than we do for ourselves. Do you believe that? Oh, what? I didn't see what you more of it is real. It's like, but where's the care? Where's the

concern? Where's the Holy smokes there? Drug cartels in your neighborhood? You're telling me about the border with Lebanon and like, has below or has below or whatever you call it in

people who've died of fentanyl Odis. Where the fentanyl come from? Probably from China. From Mexico from China. Yeah, that's the precursor chemicals they say come from China. I get it. And who's in that access with China, Iran? Larry Fink is in that access with no, actually. Actually, the heads of our biggest corporations are in that access with China. I don't care about Iran at all. I care about America. And if blowing up Iran makes my country richer and safer,

“I'm for it. And if it doesn't, I'm totally opposed. That's that simple. I think most Americans”

feel that way now. I ask you a question a little bit ago. You never got back to, because I think

it's an important one. Because one of the things that I sense attention with you, you feel like that we do too much for Israel. We're getting nothing from it. And I ask you how many, no, I don't think we're getting how many boots on the ground has the US placed on behalf of Israel. However, many went to Iraq. We did that for Israel. No, I don't think we did. You said we did it because of 9/11? That's the US justification for it. But it wasn't 9/11. So what was the actual

reason? Well, that's the US government told us it was for 9/11. They told us that they were a part of it that they had, but they weapons of mass destruction, they had no one at 9/11, obviously. Maybe no evidence. So what was the actual reason? It was not in that component. But here, we had no influence on our decision to invade Iraq. That's not what the people who made the decision say. They say Israel. Let me get back to the point.

Havis, that information about the fake weapons of mass destruction. Where do you think the question was?

From B.B. How many Americans put their boots on the ground for Israel? The answer is 0.

“Everybody who served in Iraq, that's what their boots on the ground for Israel did not.”

Where did we get the information about the weapons of mass destruction that wasn't real and get that from? You're saying we got that from Israel? That Israel was one pushed us into that? Well, absolutely. You really believe that. I know that for a fact or so does everything. Yes, this has been not widely written about and discussed. And I'm not attacking Israel. They thought it was in their interest to take out a government that was paying the family's

suicide bombers. I get it. I'm not mad at Israel about that. I never have been. I'm mad at the Bush administration and all the people who went along with this to the detriment of my country. That's who I mad at. Not Israel. B.B. is doing what he can for his country. Whether you agree or not, I want my leaders to do the same for my country. That's it. I think the present leadership is doing just that. I truly do. And I don't think that it's at all accurate to even intimate

that tiny little Israel is pushing the U.S. into something it does not want to do. I told our leaders appear to want to do it. Our public does not want to do it at all. The public does not want war with Iran. B.B. does. He's gotten seven, seven trips to the White House. The average American question would be, hold on. The average American doesn't have that level of access. And a foreign leader does seven in one year. And now we're moving toward

war with Iran. The average American doesn't want that worth. The average American is outreached. Don't you understand? I'm not that weak at all. I'm wrong as President. I've ever seen in my

lifetime going back to Eisenhower for a second. If you're in America, listen to me,

Tucker, for God's sake. I'm not attacking Trump. If I'm Trump. I know, but you're making it sound like that he is being pulled into something that he really doesn't want to do. Are pulled into something because he's persuaded. I'm not either saying that nor impwovers in the meeting last week of his in the meetings last summer. I can assure you, President Trump is not being led into something at all. But you be clear. I'm Minister Netanyahu. To be clear.

I'm neither saying that nor implying it. What I am stating out loud is true. And that's the Prime Minister Netanyahu, BB Netanyahu, has way more influence over Americans, foreign policy than Americans do. And we know this because he wants to war with Iran, the overwhelming majority of Americans don't want to war with Iran. And we're very likely to get a war with Iran. So who is more influence? Benjamin Netanyahu, or 80% of Americans.

“I wouldn't say that's outrageous. That's what I'm saying. I would counter that. BB Netanyahu”

does not want a war with Iran to say that he wants a war. You know who's going to be at the very front of that? His people. And I don't agree with that. I'm with him enough to know. He does not want a war. He doesn't. Does he think that there may be a necessity of taking a war? In order to prevent an attack on not just Israel. I don't want to get an argument. But I think I know too much. I mean, let's be real. Okay. So there was, you know,

Steve Lekoff, in my opinion, is just a sterling guy. It's a good guy. That's a good guy. That's my view. Yeah. And kind of pro-American and just couldn't be nicer. And once the right thing is, probably Trump's best friend. He and maybe Jared to are involved in negotiation with Hamas,

these really government, short circus it by hitting Iran. So like what do you mean? They

“short circuit about hitting Iran. They did everything they could to shut down the negotiations”

between the United States, the Trump administration, and Iran. And look, I wouldn't. They're acting again in their own interest. But our country should also act in its own interest. That's all I'm saying. I don't tell me that BB doesn't want to war with Iran. I, he doesn't. If Jared Kushner and Steve Lekoff could be successful in getting the president's demands, and keep in mind, these are the presidents demand. What are those demands? No enrichment,

no nuclear weapon, quit killing your own people in the streets, but the tens of thousands. You, you and I both agree that it's a horrible thing to kill your own citizens, which Iran is the horrible thing to kill anybody's citizens. Anybody's citizens, we agree on that, except that they're 14 year olds working for Hamas. But no. It's still the tragedy. No, it is. Sorry. I'm being a jerk. You really are being a jerk. I am, I know, I know.

I got such a jerk. I'm going to write down. You're right, you're right. I know. He's a jerk. Oh, I am a jerk. Everyone knows that. I mean, I'm trying to really try. Okay. Okay.

No, but I agree with you 100 percent. Of course it's a jerk. That could be done.

And I pray it can. Yes. And you know why? Number one, because it would be wonderful for everybody. Number two, if there is a war, you're going to be 6,000 miles from it. You know where I'm

“going to be in the bullseye. Do I want there to be a war? No. Do his regularlys want there to be a war?”

No. How many? I keep hearing Israel's fighting a seven front war. Right now. What are those seven fronts? Well, you got Lebanon? You have Egypt? Now, Egypt is not an active war, but you have the Muslim brotherhood within Egypt. You've got the Muslim brotherhood in Jordan. You've got Syria. With their fighting war in Jordan? With the Muslim brotherhood that is in Jordan, not directly with Jordan, not the government of Jordan. But are they? You've got Hezbollah. You've got Lebanon,

hoodies. In Yemen. You have Hamas, in Gaza. You have the threats that come from Iran. And how many is that? That's seven. That's seven. Okay. I give you an eight when you know it's the eight when the media. Now, I would tell you, there's an eighth front war. They fight. How many journalists is real killed in Gaza? I don't know. Over 200. But seems like now are they real journalists? Because a lot of those people that were supposedly journalists were actually

“Hamas fighters that are documented, Hamas fighters. So that's why I ask you how many are actual journalists.”

You know, I don't know, but a lot of them were. I mean, they work for big news organizations and they had press on their chest. Yes, some of them had unri cars and they were also working for Hamas. So, Hamas is concerned. Do you think that over 200 journalists killed in Gaza are all fake journalists who deserve to be killed? I know idea how many the total number is. I don't have their credentials. But I know that there were quite a few that were actually Hamas fighters that

protected Hamas asked the hostages. The hostages came back and they started telling about the number of people that were doctors in hospitals that held him hostage in their homes. Are the number of people who are pretending to be journalists who are actually holding them hostage? Someone who's telling you that there's, there's a lot more to, well, as someone whose tax dollars helped pay for killing all those civilians in Gaza, I feel like I've already known how many were killed and Israel won't

let outside observers into, to figure it out. And I'm, I'm frustrated. I just want to say that. My last question is about Christians, both Christians who visit and Christians who live here, particularly in the West Bank. I spoke to someone recently, a Christian minister who grew up in a town right outside Bethlehem, we would know it is Shepard's field in the New Testament where the Shepard's were attending their flocks in Matthew. And of course, the angel's coming

out to the arrival of Jesus in nearby Bethlehem. His family's been Christian. He says for 2000 years. He says his, where he grew up is now surrounded by settlements of people who are not from Israel at all, while in the United States, Jewish settlements, they have different roads that the native Christians are not allowed to use. I don't know how that works. And he described a story where his mother was shot outside their house by an IDF soldier for reasons no one ever explained.

She survived, but no one was ever punished for it or even explained why they did it. He basically

described being terrorized by settlers. And I wonder if that's a concern for you, for the native population, the indigenous population. You just say this happened in Bethlehem. It happened in Shepard's field. So it's a Christian village. Beth so poor, I think, is its name. Outside, right

Beth so poor. I believe is the name of the village. Because there are no Israelis in Bethlehem.

“None. There are no Jews in Bethlehem. Are there new settlements outside Bethlehem where he is from?”

Over in areas C, but not in area A. There are none. Well, he describes the town he grew up in. And I guess I wonder why a Christian whose family's been there for 2000 years. There are Palestinian Christians throughout. Why is they in Somary? That's true. I've been over to visit him. I know. I know you have. And some have been, you know, advocated for some that are Muslim, but they are American citizens. And we advocated because there was, but why can't

they just drive into Jerusalem to go to the church of the Holy Seplicor? Why do they need a permit to do that if they're from the cause of the acts of terrorism that is made it impossible to do it?

But there are so many Christians who ask this question. So what do we do? Just say you're a Christian.

Oh, yeah, I'm a Christian, but you're wearing a suicide bomb. Do Christians do suicide bombs? They could. If all they have to do is just say a now and so I'm a Christian, there were over a thousands. Why don't I just get an identity card says I'm Christian? Let me just finish this before Israel put the green line up and before they took great care to put checkpoints in place.

“There were over a thousand suicide bombers in one year. It was off in my one night. I remember it,”

but I don't think any of them were Christians and they might not have been. Okay, but my point is we could find out if they were. So you're saying we just trust somebody if they come up and say I'm a Christian. I just want to go to the Holy Seplicor. Let me in. What I'm saying is that Christians have a right to go to the Holy Seplicor. Israel does not own it. They've had possession of it since 1967. It doesn't belong to BB. It belongs to me and you and every other Christian. BB was a

copy of the young person. I don't want to even hear you. They know Christians would ever be barred from the church of the Holy Seplicor. Should Christians be barred from Joseph's tomb in Nablus? I don't know. Let's just start with the church of the Holy Seplicor, and I don't understand what grounds they can go to. Well, they can't if they're Christians, it bets a whore. So I don't understand why they're a threat. They're not a threat. And why won't you as the Christian minister,

U.S. Ambassador to the State of Israel, say to the Prime Minister, you can't allow this. Your

“country exists in part because American Christians support you so you have to treat us. Well,”

part of the problem talker is that in the Palestinian Authority, and that's what we're talking about. There are Christians. Look, I know some Christians who live in Bethlehem, and that is area A.

Bethlehem was 80 plus percent Christian before Oslo. 80 percent Christian.

Less than 20 percent Muslim today. It's flipped. It's now 80 plus percent Muslim. It's very few Christian. And some of the Christians that I personally know and know well are Zionists. Let that surprise you. They're Zionists. And there's some, or, or me finish trying to thought here. Okay. So in the Palestinian Authority, they still teach children from the time their five years old that the greatest thing in the world is to kill Jews. And if they

end up being a martyr, and if they kill Jews, they will get a pension for life if they die. And if they don't, they'll get a paycheck for life, and their families will. And it's called the prisoners and martyrs fund. It's we call it pay for sleigh in the U.S. It is against our lot of Christians collecting on that. I don't know. Zero. So my question remains, and I'm a little bit frustrated at this point, because I'm not

defending him off. I hate suicide bombing. I hate suicide. I hate violence. I hate the killing of children. Period. Why can't a Christian who was born there, whose family's been there for 2000 years following Jesus for 2000 years, drive, because it's really close to the church of the Holy Sepulcher. He poses no threat. And why can't the United States government advocate for him to do that? We do advocate for Americans, because that's our job. And it doesn't matter

whether they're Palestinian or Israeli. We do that. But as far as when the, how many Americans are being held in this really prisons right now? I'm total. I don't have a exact number on that. I don't know. How can you advocate for them if you don't know how many of them are? Well, everyone that we know we go visit. Our consular goes there almost every week and visits the Americans. It's not a large number as far as Americans. But when we have them, we go,

we go to their trials when they're on trial. So yeah, we do a lot more than let's give us credit. Oh, I'm giving you credit. No, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, please give me credit. Because we don't get much. No, we don't get much. By the way, not every embassy does that. I happen to know, for a fact, they don't advocate for Americans in jail. We take our consular services across into the Palestinian Authority and help people over there. Some of those are

Christians. Some are not some are Muslim. But if they're Americans, and they have American citizen, if it's an American passport, we help them. That makes me so happy to hear. I go to Ramallah.

We try to work ways to make things better. But the reason that sometimes it's not just a absolute free passage, I'll tell you why. Because there are too many instances of terrorist acts and Israel is not going to allow themselves. But the Christians didn't do it. And they're not going to do it. And Christians pay for all of this. They pay for all of this. It's very, you can say it's unfair.

But here's what I understand. How's that? But you got to somehow make sure that you screen people.

“And that's why the checkpoints. Let me tell you what happened not too very long ago.”

We had a humanitarian aid truck that came across from Jordan. The driver was supposedly vetted. He was a former Jordanian military person. He came across the checkpoint. Everything should be fine. He gets out of his truck. He takes a gun and he shoots two of the people. I believe it who are the Israelis at the checkpoint. One of whom was a young person less than a year in the job. His mother teaches in the American school where our embassy people go

in Herzilea. I get to make the phone call to the mother. I'm going to tell you something. It was not the most pleasant. It sounds awful. It is awful. Well, then, so those kind of instances are the reason that it is difficult to go from Judea, Samaria, or West Bank, call it whatever you want. But if you're in area A, which is under the control of the palace and in authority, and your education has been that killing Jews is a wonderful thing. I'm talking about

the Christians. And I'm with the Christians if they go to those schools. I'm still going to get that education. When was the last time there was a suicide bomb detonated by Christians?

I don't know. Never. Let me ask you this. Look, I'm not trying to defend,

but I'm saying to you that if the curriculum doesn't get changed, if the paper slate doesn't get changed, that doesn't have a culture. But you say it doesn't apply. Maybe it never has happened. I don't know whether it is ever happened. When will Palestinians in the West Bank have the same rates? This is really in the West Bank. Are you talking about the ones that live in the Palestinian authority? I'm talking about people live in the villages they grew up in. Yeah, but changed hands.

When from one government to another, if they live under the Palestinian authority government, whether they live under Israeli, if they live under area A, do you know the difference? Yeah, I do. If they live under area, if they live under the Palestinian authority government, they don't live under Israeli government. But it's controlled by these really government.

Completely. There's no airport that control utilities. I mean, this is, it's silly.

I understand there's a form of self-government, but the big decisions are made by these really government, obviously. I've been there. I know this. And you know it, too. So how long does this go on? You say that God gave the nation of Israel the right to this land. Why don't you just take it to Clare, Israel? And make everyone a citizen. I don't understand why this not happening. Well, you know what? There are people who think that that would

be a much better. What do you think? I think it very well could be. And if you ask certain people living in the P.A. under their very government, where 91% of the people think the government

“is hopelessly corrupt, that's what the numbers are. They would tell you that they would be better”

off. Sure. And they is railies where the governing authority, everyone gets voting rights. Would that be the case? If they were all under Israeli authority, you know, there are, do you realize there are lots of Arab Israelis? I know. And they vote. Do you know they serve in the Kinesi? I'm very aware of that. And I just want to serve on the Supreme Court. And did you know that it was an Arab who sentenced to former President and Prime Minister to prison?

I know this. I just want to know what's going to happen. Do you know how many Jews get to help govern Saudi Arabia or Qatar or Syria? I'm not, I'm not, I'm not attacking Jews. There's a much more open government in society. And you make it sound like the Israeli. I just don't really get sound that way. I'm just asking, I do, I know what, I'm not attacking the nation of Israel. I'm just wondering what the plan is. So I've been hearing my whole life how bad the P.A. is. Okay, great. But what's the plan

here? So they're moving all these Americans, people around the world, and you settlement subsidized by Americans in the West Bank. Now they're not moving them from around the world to the settlements. They're people who make Aliyah, they come. And these are Israelis who live in Israel. Well, there are a lot of people in area see is Israel. Okay. Okay. But does it remain a territory, under military control forever? Does it just become part of the state? You know, the Palestinian

Authority? Correct. That's the big question. Do you believe in the two-state solution? And if you do, I would I would show you a map. And I would ask you, does this is, uh, I don't know.

“I don't know what I think. I just think you need to treat people like human beings,”

and that's not happening. Obviously. And that would be you don't glorify their killing. Yeah. Let them go to their church if they want to see the yellow parts. Yeah. That's Palestinian Authority. The tan parts, that's area B. That's the area that is mixed. Israel has military Authority, but the Palestinians can live anywhere they want to in there. And the blue area,

it is. Now, when people say they want a two-state solution, I love to show them a map like this. And I ask them, where does that state line up? There is no continuity. I don't know what it works. You know, we've got a lot of states in the United States that need help, so I'm not going to weigh in another people states to be gently honest. I just don't want to pay for it anymore, and just want to fix our own country. But let me ask you one last question, which is

how Christians are treated in Jerusalem. I've talked to so many who've been spit on. I talked to so many. How many? Well, two yesterday? Two. Oh, yeah. Both Catholic clergy and both told me the same thing. Anglican clergy, I interviewed. I just had dinner recently with a Greek

patriarch. Well, there's been a million stories about this. Yeah, I know that there are instances

where Christians get heckled. Usually it's people who are wearing clerical robes and they're wearing crosses, and it shouldn't happen. It's horrible. It's as bad for that to happen as it is to spit on somebody wearing a kippin, New York City. Great, terrible. It's horrible. And actually, I should be fair. There is, and I just learned this, a Jewish Israeli group that keeps track of Christians being spit on in Jerusalem, because they're offended by it, and God bless them for keeping

track and for being offended by it. But they're an awful lot of examples of that. And my question to you, you're against it, of course. You're a Christian clergy horribly against it. What is so

“is the prime minister, the president, the foreign minister? So is, again, I think every, no one would”

defend it, thinking persons. But what is it? Why are they spit on Christianity? It's very, very isolated. Where does the conflict for the most part? You know what? As Christians, we have freedom of movement here. Tucker, I go to church every Sunday. I played St. guitar in my church band. I get it. I don't get to hassle being a Christian. Everyone here knows. I'm the first evangelical to be ambassador to Israel. Do you think they hate me here? No. Are evangelicals recognize by the state of Israel?

Yeah. They are. Yeah. Okay. And welcomed and appreciated. No, but like it as a religious, like, are there evangelical churches in Israel? My gosh, yes. There's 184,000 Christians in I know. I know. And I'm much larger than, but there are churches that are non-denominational evangelical here. Of course, there are, and it ranges from, when you say non-denominational, some of them are affiliated, Baptists have simply got some of our, are truly non-denominational,

pinacostal, some are messianic churches where most of the people are ethnically Jewish, but they are messianic. Yes. They believe in Jesus. There are a lot of those churches, and they're spent out all over Israel. So, but there's freedom. You don't, oh, I know a lot of Christians in Israel, by the way, yes. And as I said, I really hope I can come back and talk to more. But and come to church with me. Oh, I definitely would love to. Okay. Why, and I mean it, too. Yeah. Why would people

“spit? Like, where does that come from? I think it's from an evil heart. Yeah. What else would it be?”

I agree. I mean, I don't think anybody would ever spit on another person. Even if it was, you know, I don't care what a person's religion is, or what a person's nationality is. I don't hate anybody. I wouldn't spit on anybody. I wouldn't hack anyone. Then I find it repulsive. Nothing about it is defensible. I will say that the word, this was off camera, but I interviewed this Christian leader here, and I said, oh, that's so awful. He goes, you know,

I feel blessed because Jesus was spit on. And that's an opportunity for humility for you. Yeah. I thought, wow. That's a Christian. Let me say this. I've been coming in and out of Jerusalem and Israel for 50, well, soon to be 53 years. Before I came as ambassador, I made over 100

trips here. I've never been spat on. I've never had someone yell at me. I've never had an

experience where I felt uncomfortable or that I was unwelcome. If you spit on someone, wearing a Yama, can New York City, you go right to jail. They would not put up with that for one second. And they do put up with it here because it still happens. I'm not sure they do go to jail in New York City. They should. And they should go to jail here. I'm against it. I'm sure they should go to jail here. Amen. So there were all these Christian ministers who were brought over here at evangelicals in December.

“And I think mostly to attack me, but also probably the other, they were here to attack you.”

I just joking. They were attacking me. But whatever. Yeah. Um, but they were flown over by the state of state paid for it and they had a conference here. I got one of the guides that they received when they arrived. And I think it's real. And it says, don't preach about Jesus when you're in Israel. We don't, we don't allow that. Don't do that. Really? Yeah. Why would a Christian

minister agree not to preach about Jesus? I'm not sure because I have, I've never heard someone

tell another Christian minister not to do that. Interesting. Good. Well, I was, I mean, totally

a green more. Thank you. I can assure you that the church I attend, we talk about Jesus. I mean,

“we pray in the name of Jesus. No, I don't get to anyone else outside the church. Are you allowed”

like could I stand in the corner and just tell people that Jesus here? You could. I'm not saying you'd get applause or that people would write. That's fine. But I'm saying there are people that there's no law against that, though. Not that I'm aware of. The only laws that that I know of,

you can't proselytize someone under the age of 18 and you cannot offer people things of value

in order to cause them to listen to your presentation. For example, I can't say, "Hey, for $10, would you let me give you this gospel track and scream at you?" Can't do that. I don't know if it's enforced. I'm not sure. I don't ever hear anyone arrested for it. But there know there's no law against just like preaching to keep. Walk down to the old city. You'll hear people, you know, out there preaching on the street. Are they effective? I don't know. I'm not

sure. People are stopping and falling on their knees and saying, "This is what I've been waiting for. I don't know." But what I'm telling you is that the idea that you can't say it, I know that there are places in the rest of this region where you can't do that. For sure. Yeah. Cutter, you can't wear a cross in public. For sure. You can't pray in public. I don't know. I don't know what the laws are. Yeah. In Saudi Arabia? Don't think so. I doubt it. The one place is an exception

is the Emirates and I love those folks because they are so progressive and they're doing so many things to change the template of things. They have a Abraham house that is it is a combination

synagogue, church, and mosque. That's pretty amazing, isn't it? That they have the same building

“and they use it for all three of the major religions of the world. And I think that's incredible.”

But they're really trying to do things that are beyond what anyone else in the region. They change their textbooks. They teach that Israel is not a nation. They should hate or seek to annihilate. They've done some remarkable things. I'm falling all this stuff in the, I agree that they have a Hindu temple in Abu Dhabi. Even falling all this hate the Muslim stuff going on in the United States on the right. I hear some of it and it's unpleasant. We shouldn't hate anybody.

Amen. Yeah, it's not a good thing. Hey, there's an evil thing. Yeah, I don't, you know, sometimes you say I don't support child killing. Okay, I don't either, but I don't support hate

“in any form. I think it's a horrible thing. That is such a great standard and I want to hold”

myself to that. And thank you for saying that. I don't hate you. I hope not. Governor Ambassador thank you very much for spending all this time. I thank you. I'm glad you came. Oh, he's come back. I will go with me to some places and a church. I want you to say that his Christians were pretty free here. Amen. Appreciate it. Thank you. And welcome.