USS Liberty Survivor Reveals What Really Happened the Day Israel Attacked & the Lies Covering It Up

Ms. Lockwood, thank you very much for joining us.

>> My pleasure.

“>> Tell us the USS Liberty, many people have heard the name,”

there were, there's a controversy about what happened to the ship in 1967. If you wouldn't mind starting at the beginning and telling us the story of the USS Liberty. >> USS Liberty was a spy ship back in the 1960s, several of the sets of an African countries that just wanted their independence from Great Britain, Germany, Belgium, France.

There was a heavy influence both from the Soviet Union and from Cuba.

Cuba and said a lot of troops around the area. That entire area is very wealthy in natural resources, precious metals. And in the United States, wanted to keep track of what was going on over there. I remind you, this is when satellites were pretty rudimentary.

“So the best way to gather that information is to get close.”

The USS Liberty was a world war to victory class freighter. She was originally commissioned as the USS Simmons victory. She saw service as a cargo carrier during the Second World War. Mothballed, brought back out of Mothball's for the Korean War. And munition carrier for the Korean War, back in the Mothball's.

In 1965, when the Hashaskirians had decided that needed vessels of that type, her hull was probably the best condition, almost any of them that were in the ghost fleet or the Mothball fleet.

She was brought out of commission, US government spent $26 million in 1965 money.

“Out clipping her with the latest intelligence collection, we could suck up literally every”

before we could say that it was being used. We had a war for the world's largest mobile computer. The unit of that 500, at that time, the world's largest. You could likely do about as much of their cell phone. But technology has come a long way in the last 60 years.

She was equipped with linguists, cruise up and down the west coast of Africa, listening in, onto whatever was going on, as war appeared to be imminent between Israel and her neighbors in 1967, the neighbors included what was then called the Naudedero Republic, primarily Egypt, Syria to a lesser extent, some influence from Jordan and Libya. The administration set some F4 photograph planes, high performance, Fura intelligence planes

to a Toronto air base in Spain. Those markings were obliterated. The pilots were given neutral uniforms, neutral identification, and set to overfly Israel's neighbors. When Hossaudi's broke out, June of 1967, the Israelis had intelligence courtesy of the U.S.

administration, locating every aircraft, revetment, every tank, location of personnel, where they were based and so forth, Hossaudi's broke out on the 5th of June 1967. The National Security Agency ordered the U.S. Liberty proceed from her cruise up and down the west coast of Africa with all due speed to road spying, take on stores, refuel, pick-up, six additional linguists, and proceed with haste to the Eastern Mediterranean where they

could monitor what was going on. She was stacked with linguists, out of a crew of 294, board of ship, roughly 190 were intelligence personnel, linguists, code-breakers, manual-morse operators, voice intercept operators, so forth. The Soviets had a group of 295 long range bombers equipped for intelligence collection.

That's Alexander Egypt, they told the world that they'd give me those planes to Egypt and that they're manned by Egyptian troops, such was not the case. They were Soviet troops wearing Egyptian uniforms.

There were three of us rushing to the west of board.

“We had 20 watch sections rotating eight hours each.”

The three of us rushing linguists that were assigned as voice intercept section supervisors are primary tasks, was catching those Soviet 295 intelligence aircraft in Alexandria. The aircraft would communicate in plain language Egyptian until they were airborne and over the Mediterranean Sea, change frequencies and go to plain language Russian. It was ironic that while we were under attack, my relief came into the processing reporting

room where I was and said, "Hey, serge, I got him. I got him." He said, "You got who, Jim? The room's piece." Really said, "Yeah, plain language Russian."

“He went back into the room where he was copying the intercept and torpedoes, killed him.”

Hostilities broke out on the 5th of June 1967, we arrived on station on the 7th of June. Throughout the day, the 7th in the early morning hours of the 8th of June, we were overflowing by several different Israeli aircraft. They flew very close to us. We could plainly say the pilots.

We fells it were off-duty and sunny and cells on the decks who were left in the pilots, it was way back. We had a drill general quarters at noon on the morning of the 8th. The captain came on the address system aboard the ship to one MC and told us that there were a few things he wanted us to improve, get to our general quarters stations a little

“more rapidly, get to watertight doors, close, a little more rapidly, see cured from the”

general quarters. I was at my burning spaces and the after-part of the ship. I heard a tremendous noise roughly to a clock-local time.

I had never been under hostile fire before, but I knew that we were in trouble immediately.

And dropped where I was doing headed for my general quarters station, which isn't below a decks. Mind you, the cargo spaces in the forward part of the ship was where all of our intelligence people were roughly a hundred and ninety men. You know, the way out was a narrow, steep, lighter way about two feet wide with a railing.

The ship would ring whenever a projectile struck it. There were 826 large caliber strikes from aircraft aboard her. A 40-millimeter cannon fire, a 30-millimeter cannon fire, heat-seeking rockets, they bombed. On either side of the ship or the starboard door racks that contained a life rafts with a charge, you jerk on a cord, a charge of the wallfin fire, these life rafts into the sea.

Both of those were Naipom. The captain's gig was riddled with rocket fire.

The liberty launch was riddled with rocket fire, basically no means getting any survivors

off. These railies were jamming artists' rest-break on cities, which was a violation of international law. They were using a march aircraft, which was a violation of international law. According to the Court of Inquiry, which was conducted after the attack was over with, ordered

by the Jalsa Administration, conducted by three star admiral Isaac Kidd, he has railies said that they had mistaken us for an Egyptian ship. The Elkassir, the Elkassir was a World War I force transport. Her only armament was a four-inch muzzle-loading cannon. Israel is claimed that they were being sheld from the sea.

We were the only ship in the vicinity. We had no capacity of shelling anything.

The bottom line was that Israel had captured an entire Egyptian brigade.

They were blowing up the captured ammunition. That's what the explosions were that they claimed was fire from the sea.

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“Let me ask you, when you come under fire, rent to a clock, how long does it last?”

There are various testimonies about that.

The claimed air attack lasted about 25 minutes. But of course, when you're under fire and trying to survive, it seems a lot longer. As I mentioned earlier, the entire ship would ring with each shell as struck. The captain came on to one MC and said, brace yourselves torpedo attacks, starboard side. Well, that's where I was located.

My friend Ronnie Campbell was sitting there at a desk and he said, well, they hit us with everything else. What else can I have this with? The division officer, we've turned it back, stuck his head in the hatch when he said, "Sarja, lock, would you currently please?"

“I stepped on into the passageway, I ran down the center of the ship, and he got me in”

a conversation with Lieutenant Commander David Lewis, who was a senior research officer board of ship, about getting these ditching bags top side pits over in the sea. We had large canvas bags, brass furls and a size, a lead weight in the bottom. The idea was all the classified information that we had, get them into these ditching bags, the top side pitch in the sea, should they be recovered by the time they could be any information

that would be useful. When there was sudden blinding flash of flame, tremendous loud noise, not me to the deck, I was kind of semi-conscious on thinking of myself, well, Laura, I guess this is it. I guess I'm coming home at least. Lowest in the kids are taking care of her, oh, she's alive.

I fell something cold, looked down and water was gushing in, I didn't find out what had actually taken place so many years later, some of the sailors told me that when the torpedo struck, it literally lifted the ship out of the water, and set her back down. When she came down, rolled towards the starboard side, there was roughly 40 foot hole on the side that water was gushing in, I heard him moan behind me, struggled in my feet,

there was a sailor trapped there in the wreckage, his name was Jill Antini, I didn't know who that was until 25 years later, Joe was one of the communicators that worked with the teletyphe equipment, we weren't getting anything out, couldn't understand why we weren't getting anything made out, and we're getting any aid, and he's a stradden off of a marocative penetrated the ship and struck him in a left thigh, Joe was bleeding profusely, sat in there

on the deck and leaned up against the light away the other way out, and was putting a turn to cut on that loon when the torpedo struck. Our office spaces were separated by sheet steel bulkheads, that bulkhead just mushroomed out, caught him in his left knee upturn and literally made two fix out of his femurbunner, and I'm trying to pull him loose, water was coming up pretty rapidly, and I said, "Come on,

you got to help me, I can't do it by myself, come on, get your legs on your push, I didn't realize as well, it's like my ass." But I felt him getting his right leg out on the push, just enough or I could free him, though he was still partially ankle-up in that wreckage. By that time, the water was within a foot and a half of the overhead, there were some pipes

"Here, get all of these pipes."

About that time, I saw a body floating out towards a hole, I reached down with my right arm and got an arm around, and tried to hold a set of water. I heard the division, I'll certainly change the benefit of the top of the latter way, say, "This is Mr. Bennett, open this hatch." There was a lot of confusion.

You can imagine roughly 190 people crammed into that space in fear of their lives, a lot of shouting, "How are as long as I could knock it off, if you don't will settle down,

don't have to get out of your life."

“That's the last thing I remember, I apparently passed out.”

The next thing I recall was being along with the unconscious sailor, and nobody there, but being the sea and him, the ship was rolling. The torpedo had ruptured one of the fuel tanks, which is there on the starboard side. That was the heavy oil that powered the ship to a sticking oil. That oil was everywhere at oil watered up mix, of course, you can imagine just about

everything that was coated with it.

I tried to start up the latter way with this unconscious sailor, slicked, dropped him, he's

going back out the whole way, got him, got back, started back up the latter way, about

“half or two thirds of the way up the latter way, he's a straddle from the torpedo that”

bent in the railing, so there's only a space, roughly a foot wide, got to that point, slicked, dropped him again, going back out the whole one, that gutting, back up the latter way again, got up to top and the hatch was sealed, shut, trying to hold the sailor of water, found on the hatch and sailing in Bobby's snow, there were dogs that held the hatch, seal or shut around a rubber gasket in about a 8 inch high metal seal, oh, I'm guessing

probably a dozen large bolts that bolted it down, he got a wrench, not those nuts loose and open the hatch, let me out, I'm trying to drag your sailor out, dropped him, tried dragging him again, can't quite get him out, tried to turn him over his foot caught in the chain, it was holding the prop or the hatch open and literally I was trying to drag his leg off, until turning was one of the damage control people were standing here, so where

him and he got his foot caught, he freed his foot, he said to captain is ordered to prepare

“to abandon ship, he said you need to get a lifest on, there's been there to add a lifest”

and he said get a lifest on, but went on him and they're doing triage of the unless necks and after part of ship, so you need to get him back there triage or try to pick him up, pretty weight, dropped him, try to pick him up again, dropped him again, years later when I found out who he was, it was some 30 years before he even found out who he was, we were sitting in his kicks in Sunday morning in Chicago and his family is gathered, I don't want to know

what it happened to dad, I'm trying to tell him and his name was David McFaggan and he kind of blurted it out, said I wouldn't be heard nearly as bad, you want to drop me so many times, he had been topside in the rocket from one of the air attacks that exploded very closely and flying it back into the bulkhead, he's wounded from that, he's in a lot of pain, you think, I've got to get to my GQ station, GQ station was down below deck, he gets down there

just as he's flying the hatch, shut, bolt it down, he's sitting on the ladderway with his head in his hands, earning badly when the torpedo struck, slammed me back into the ladderway and made a mess out of his spine, he's still alive but barely and confined to wheelchair now, Joel and Tini has to wait for a heart attack, some three years ago, the book assault on the liberty credits me would die the underwater and praying Joel and Tini's leg, that was actually

a sailor named Bobby Snill that did that, freed his leg, carried him topside, there was some conversation that I carried a man out, went back down,

stand a sense past away too, but Joel may said, you gave me a kind of a bike steering

“back down, I don't recall any of that, I think there's a good possibility, I was confused with”

someone else, but the Navy Marine Corps uniforms are different color, we were told to go to the radio room on the port side of the ship, I was lying on the deck in a radio room and I couldn't understand why we weren't getting any hay, there was a machine going going on, the motor torpedo boats or circling his ship were riddling us with, heavy machine gun fire, there were 3,100 heavy caliber machine extracts on the ship,

I was one of the radio then figured out that when they were shooting rockets at us,

they couldn't jam our distress frequencies, because the

“any would have screwed up the fly to the rocket and had briefed period when those rockets were”

being fired, this may day went out, fire fox, fire fox, this is rock star, rock star, under attack by unidentified surface and air units required media assistance, as soon as that may day was acknowledged the shooting stop, I saw some sailors carry for free inflatable eyebrows through the radio room, heard them fall into the sea, there were lines attached, let's keep them for floating away, I heard a redding of engines

from where machine gun fire, one of those sailors came back through the radio room and he said, I don't know what we're going to do now, they've riddled what we had left, it is my understanding, it's a machine gun fire, several of the line it was holding one of those life rafts, the torpedo boat came in, picked it up, plane was able to US Navy, can't be proven I'd have a no idea, but I heard a rumor that that life raft,

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So did at any, at any point did the torpedo boats come to the aid of survivors, what what when he is really stopped firing on the liberty after your Mayday call was received? Did they help in any way the survivors? Actually the hurts and helicopters overhead, I did not see them myself that the debt coup told me that two large armored helicopters came over fully loaded with armed troops, automatic weapons, hand grenades, it seems fairly obvious the idea was, "sake the ship,

kill everyone aboard it, no survivors." We think there's very good possibility that we were set up by our own government. The president, Lyndon Bage Johnson, was very friendly towards Israel. His predecessor, John F. Kennedy, had actually given a speech about the necessity for discourse between the Palestinians and his rallies about getting some 700,000 refugees

Israel said they were voluntary, well, voluntarily left. My personal opinion is there was nothing

voluntary about it. They were told to leave or be destroyed. Kennedy conversation was to have at least a portion of those refugees be allowed to return to their ancestral homes.

“As a result of our Congress and our president do nothing about the attack on the essential liberty.”

The court of Inquar are accepted. Israel is excused. There's a case in a taken identity. Case was closed. As a result of our doing nothing, Israel realized they could do whatever they wanted. United States Congress, United States administration, who would say nothing, do nothing.

I'm sorry to wrap why I just want to go back to what you said about your belief that

the Johnson administration knew that this attack was coming on the liberty. Why do you think they would have allowed that? Commander Lewis, who is a senior in Joseph's all-short board of shit.

“And I both had pretty much the same wounds. My glasses protected my face from debris. His eyes”

were sealed shut. We were both met with act off to the carrier America. Admiral Lawrence Larry Guy, who was the task force six commanding officer, alluded to the carrier's USS Sertoba,

USS America, and the guided missile cruiser of the USS Leroc.

As for Commander Lewis to come to his state room, this is several days after the attack had taken place. He saw Mr. Lewis to secrecy until after his death told him that he had ordered aircraft to come to our aid. Plains were launched from the USS Sertoba. They had nuclear weapons aboard them. Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered them return both Admiral Guy's and Emperor the Sertoba. Captain Joseph Tully figured out that that was probably because there were

nuclear weapons aboard them. They were recovered. Convention on aircraft with conventional weapons were relaunched to gun to our aid. Captain Tully renotified Washington. Secretary Defense McNamara came off on the circuit again and ordered the OZ aircraft to return. Admiral Guy's said I want to exercise my authority and hear that from power authority. Well, the only higher authority was the president. This is the conversation that was related

to David Lewis from Admiral Guy's. The president said get those aircraft back. I will not have my allies embarrassed. They were using unmarch aircraft and we did not know who was attacking us. How did the president go? The number two man in the U.S. CIA at the time was a gentleman named James Angleton. James Angleton was not only the number two man in the U.S. center of intelligence. He just said U.S. double agent. Relief motion.

Many of us survivors believed that we were set up by our own government. Fault flag operation. Sink the ship, no survivors, blame it on Egypt. Githy not in states involved on the side of Israel against their neighbors. And excuse me, Chuck Err. What's happening now? The head of counterintelligence that you mentioned James Jesus Angleton was also clearly involved

in the Kennedy assassination. The beneficiary of which was of course Lyndon Johnson and Israel. I best find my comprehension. Chuck Err. Yeah, I don't doubt that.

“Yeah, well, it's pretty clear, I think, from documents that have subsequently been released.”

So how many just to end the to wrap up the story of what actually happened that day? How many Americans were killed in the attack? There were 34 Americans killed one civilian Allen Blue. He was Errbecklingos from National Security Agency. Two Marines are both killed. Sergeant Jack Raiper, Corporal Ed Raymire. They were both Errbecklingos and the Bounce of the 31 were all sailors.

Thirty-five of them killed. There were two hundred eight Purple Hearts awarded hard 74 wounded.

“Several of the crewmen that were wounded were never awarded Purple Hearts.”

Jack Beatty. He was the machinist mate. It was working on the, he was changing oil on the Liberty launch. The listed watch. When the Errbeck took place, he had a shot on the back of a setting and found out about too many years later what better is a administration performed the X-ray on a skull. There is another Navy Chief Joe last name, Sergeant Vyreck now. He had one of those heavy caliber strikes in his left calf. He was the Boy Scout instructor.

New First Aid took that project to out of his leg himself, wrapped himself up. He was never awarded

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in my own recollection. The aircraft were all unmarked. The torpedo boats were flying the star of David. One of the officers it was on the deck happened to be Jewish when he saw the star of a flag on her stand. He broke out of two years. The torpedo boats that fired machine guns at the liberty, I mean they must have been close enough to see the American flag flying over the ship. Yes. Our initial flag was flying from flag stuff at the back of the main

mass. That was not down in one of the first air-tacks. Our segment ran that back up again. It was

knocked down again and then he ran up the holiday flag, which is five feet by five feet. It's largest flag-weatherboard ship. That flag was literally riddled with a trotnal. He ran that up on the one of the port signal arms, which is on a port side. But we had a good breeze blowing that day. The flag was out there. Pretty obvious. Egyptian ships are painted black with hall markings and Arabic script. Every highway sign in Israel is in Hebrew, Arabic script and English lettering.

So that excuse falls away. US ships are painted gray with hall markings and English lettering. Our hall marking was GTR-5, which stands for General Technical Research, the fifth and newest of her class. "Chatic research" means that she's a non-combatant to file a sub-international law to fire a non-combatant. These railies were riggling or life-rass with machine gun fire. That's a violation of the national law. The irony of that is that came about as a result of

refugee ships being machine gunned by Nazi Wolfax during World War II. What did your commanding

to your face and your hands and someone at some point explains to you why this happened. What did

“that person say? Honestly, I didn't hear anything. Years later, when I reconnected with some”

of the crew, and it was well over 20 years later before I reconnected with any of the crew, I say, there's 1982 before I reconnected with any of the crew, so this is what 15 years afterwards. I honestly didn't know. Most of us were pro-is or that were bored to ship. It's kind of ironic. One of our analysts, he was processing the, you know, there would be public traffic that we were

getting. He made a small UAR flag and had that stuck in his out-asket. Most of the crew were

smoking back then. They'd walk by and say, hey Rich, your herbs are doing so well. They sent far to his flying. He said, I'll cut that out, put it out. One of the sailors made a huge star David out of Feltaite people. That was paced up on the starboard bulkhead. That is really torpedo. Struck with a few feet of that star-navoured flag. Did you talk about this after? Did you do interviews with the media? Did you tell your friends, your family? How did you respond to this once you

were coming? My situation was a little different. I was on temporary assignment from my home-based in Bermalov, Germany. As 10 days aboard the Gary America, flown back to Luka Malta, where the ship was dried up, I was one more day aboard her there. This guy was on a ride. He didn't have a place to sleep or the sailor said, "Oh, go up to Sid Bay and talk to Dr. Van Lane." He said, "He'll find you a place to sleep up there." We're chatting. He was getting along late in the afternoon. He said,

"You welcome." There were three bunks there. He said, "You welcome, sleep in whichever one you want." I said, "I hope that doesn't yet stink in my eyes." At that time, there was a box in the corner

“of the 18 inches square. It was labeled on identified human body parts. That's what's buried”

in the mass grave in Arlington National Cemetery. It's slept over that night. Two of the men that weren't from me were in that box. We were told by the US military by the Marine Corps, by the Navy, not to talk about this. Well, mind you, we're in town just to be the same. Just don't talk about it. There is old saying, "But you see here what you say here, when you leave here, leave it here." I did not talk about it. Outside of secure spaces, when I got back to my home

base in Bremerhaven, I was put on 12 on 12 off watch. I talked about it rather freely in the secure spaces. My wife didn't know what happened to me. I was not supposed to tell anyone. I was

aboard this ship, but no one bothered to tell me. I wasn't. When I first got aboard her, the Petty Officer,

the deck was a long time friend of mine, Ronnie Campbell. I said, "Roney, I need to let low us know where I'm at." Can you give me the address? The ship? Well, he gave me the FBO address. I got a postcard, wrote it on my wife. I'd be a boarder, don't know how long. How let you know sometime in the future. Drop it in the mail. She'd receive that card and it doesn't board it. On the ninth of June, dear friend of hers that lived across the street in Bremerhaven,

went to her to come over. She went over and said, "Do you hear about that U.S. shipping attack?"

“She said, "Yeah, U.S. has liberty." I said, "I think Bryce has aboard that ship." Well, that”

set of Petty button. When I got back home, I was a mess. I had to borrow uniform from one of the range of board to carry America. There happened to be an African-American Marine. Same builder. I was real gentleman. Same rank as I was, loan me a khaki uniform. I had to wear that uniform in the

went at you get drops of that oil all over it. So I jumped from that. I had fever blisters in my face.

This yellowish pus was oozing out, dripping over the front of me. The morning I got back, couldn't get any apartment, a sex floor apartment. The neighbor, Betty Bryant, came to the door. Said, "Who Bryce sent a law swimming out to the base to get to Mayo?" Said, "Come on in, I'll get you to keep a coffee," he sent me around behind the door. He gave me to keep a coffee. While later, she said, "Oh, here she is now." Well, she just got in the mail and she just got in a

later from her mother that her grandfather passed away. My wife didn't get along very well with her mother, but she was her grandfather's pride joy. She's all broken up about

“that. But he says, "Lord, you need to come in here. Three kids are there. See, Marsha oldest one was”

six. Dorothy was four. John was three." And I was the ugliest mess. Stumped to high heavens. Kids are screaming, the wife crying. The Marine Commander calls him into his office next day. He says, "Best thing for you to do to forget about this is go to work." But beyond 12 hours on 12 hours, I'll watch them. I had to go to the doctor on the time off, give them. Williams taken care of. The neighbor said a jag off a certain lieutenant commander all away from

Washington with a chief of papers for him to sign. He never bothered to tell me, firstly,

you are not to talk about this. I talked about it freely in a secure spaces because these fills men in had been aboard the liberty or ships over a class doing the same task if they weren't. They would be in the near future, likely good. So they all were aware of that. So I talked freely about it. But I did not tell my wife anything. She had no idea what was wrong with me. I'd wake up screaming

“and crying. And she had no idea. And it wasn't until I think it was January of 1981. I was in”

Bible College and Springfield, Missouri. Class was broken up over the Christmas holidays. I'm sitting on the Linux class waiting for the class to start on Monday morning and one of my classmates comes in and he says, "Rice, will you, Boris, ship was torpedoed?" I said, "How did you know about that?" Well, he had been in text this over Christmas holiday. He was on his way back, they didn't even read it. Listening to National Public Radio, program used to run call. Radio reader. They were reading

book by James M. Madison Jr. Salt on the Liberty. It was on page 86, the narration about what I had done that day. And my name was there. And it wasn't until I think the following year, I taken a position as a sister pastor in a church in Key West and the city library librarian was the member of the church. And I asked her if she had a copy of that book. She said, "Yeah, but there's a six months long waiting list for us." Well, put me on the list. When it became available, I immediately wrote a letter

to a random house publishers and said I'd like to get all of the author, James Adams. They said, "Well, we can't give you this information, but we'll forge your letter to him." Just a few days after that, I got a thick packet of mail from the Serenus, had copies of the ship had a news letter that they put out and mailed all the crew, but it didn't know where I was until then. Back issues, a list of survivors, their contact information, immediately started calling the crew,

“but that wasn't until, I think, 1986. We had a reunion in the Milwaukee, Wisconsin. That was”

the first one that I went to. There was a library and graphed in Wisconsin, about 30 miles north

of Milwaukee. The town had built a new high school. The old high school was old building that roughly a century old, but perfectly serves a service of oil and the town wanted to make that by the library. So they had a community to raise funds. There are a couple of industrial

40 years ago, it was pretty high several money. So the community said, "Well, we'll give you

“the privilege of naming the library." And he said, "Well, I'd like out to be named the USS”

Liberty Memorial of the Library." Well, during World War II, not far from graph that was Hanson was a Nazi youth camp. Can you imagine what that implied for the Jewish population of city Milwaukee? That raised a firestorm. But it went forward and to the west of my knowledge, it was no violence. Oh. And to this day, it's still the USS Liberty. So that was 19 years after

the attack. And I remember 1980, six, seven. At that time, the consensus was that this was an accident.

Like if you learned about the USS Liberty at school, which you probably didn't, but if you did, you would be taught that this was a case of mistaken identity, that the Israeli thought it was an Egyptian ship. Well, I suppose you could claim that the Israeli violence for a color blinded Jewish sea ships were painted black, or as a painted gray. You can't jam the structure for good

“seas by accident. You must know your target. So that falls by the away side. The machine”

going to take a life raft. That's pretty obvious. That's a violation of accepted law. How did it make you feel as a survivor of the attack to hear people dismiss it as a case of mistaken identity? And well, it's that time I had a smell truck in company and it was you pretty well had to work around the clock. If I had a grain haul in business, two trucks, three trailers. When I wasn't booking loads, I was hauling loads. So I wasn't booking or hauling

loads. I was under change in oil or fixing this or fixing that and barely had time to think. It really wasn't until sometime after that, or I happened to get a job with a union company had a little or income coming in. We were able to attend a reunion in Washington, D.C. and that's where I began to really find out about what all I'd taken place. That was later in the 1980s early 1980s. And what did you find out?

I didn't know the names of the NFL's that I pulled out or was credulous saving their lives and Joe Lentini, even though I kept him from browning, I didn't actually get him out of there. And Dave McFaggan, it was not until 1997. A reunion in 1997, I found out what that was. His partner, Aaronic, he was in the hospital at Naples Italy. He'd taken some

shrapnel on his private. Doctors told him he'd probably never have any more children.

Well, he did have he had a boy in the girl. It's that reunion. One of the other fills that I thought that I'd brought out of there was a peril six. James X, James was his nickname. And he and I were having a beer time joking around and someone else came in and the dumb and the bathroom was full of ice water and beer. We were in their yak and then when they came in and said, "Hey, sergeers, another guy here to save

this life." Really went out into the other room and there's Dave McFaggan and a wheelchair was

“daughter or later after the attack. What's the amount of wheelchair?”

Now the anniversary, the 59th anniversary of the attack on the Liberty was just the other day within the last week and it was a topic that was discussed in public and you heard people defend the Israeli government by saying they didn't know it was an American ship and anyone who says otherwise is an anti-Semite hates Jews. How would you respond to that? Anyone who knows anything about international recognition of ships at sea would conclude differently.

What have to conclude differently? It's very obvious that it was a delivery of the attack.

it was a best plan to attack. The ammunition that they were using. Tardis and two were doing. He's seeking missiles designed to knock out all of our transmitting end to us. It had to all be planned in advance. The upshot might have been in the whole thing. Israel is rat at a Palestinian land. Gaza Strip in total rubble. 70,000 documented killed probably twice that many buried in the

rubble that could never be recovered for the time. It's a wax. He not had stayed supplying the bonds.

Israel invading their neighbors to the north, Lebanon. There are million Palestinians in Gaza Strip homeless as a result of Israel's action. Lebanon, southern Lebanon, whole towns destroyed and levelled. A million Lebanese refugees without a home. Where's the humanity? Should that be on the conscious of every American that

“we're supplying the bonds that we're supplying Israel with $3.8 billion a year in foreign aid?”

Shouldn't that shake our conscience? Well, if our leaders were able to ignore an attack on an American vessel, the liberty, almost 60 years ago, clearly this is not a normal relationship between the United States and Israel. What country ignores an attack on its own navy? Tucker in 2005, Stephen Rosen, who was then a senior official with the American Israeli political

first committee, was dying with Jeffrey Goldberg at that time. He was with the New Yorker magazine,

no believe he's with the Atlantic magazine now. He said to Jeffrey, you see this napkin in 24 hours. I can have the signature of 70 senators on this napkin. Does that tell you something about who runs America? How does that make you feel as someone who was

“wounded in the service of the US military in the service of the United States?”

Disgusting. Why have you handed to Thomas Massey? His political career was over the President and his political affairs supporters, literally through millions of dollars at Thomas Massey's primary campaign and got him pitched off the ballot and Congress of Massey stuck his neck out by speaking publicly from the floor of the United States Congress.

There were roughly 15, perhaps 17 of us survivors that were there, family members sitting in the gallery when he gave us five plus minutes speech on the U.S. liberty, urging a Congress to take action. Article 1, Section 8, U.S. Constitution, too. It's not exact wording. Vestigate, acts of piracy on the high seas and offenses against the law of nations. And Congress has ignored that for the past 59 years. Now here, Thomas Massey's six is neck out.

The gentleman took us all to lunch afterwards at the bull feather restaurant.

“They're in Washington. I think that name is a rather ironic bullshitt bull feathers.”

Treated us to lunch, personally met each one of us while we were there. That day's speaker-protein of the Congress, Darrell Issa, came in.

First, I should cancel every crew member, introduced himself around.

Made a few jokes about that jarhead, it was a border. Another Congresswoman also came in. Congresswoman Goire, same thing, introduced themselves around.

up to their obligation to humanit to do the right side.

“What would you like to see Congress do? An open investigation.”

While some of us are still alive to testify, let all the dirty laundry hang out there.

If there are charges to be charged, ranging forward, just air it out and let the American people.

“The world's public at large make up for them. When they see the facts laid there,”

it's the same thing with the obscene files hiding them. Let it hang out.

Let us all look at it. If someone's guilty, buy, charge them.

“Sure, there's going to be some big time name. Sure, there's going to be some billionaires involved.”

I'm just a little guy, I'm not even a millionaire. Fine, come get me. Do you think that'll happen? I don't know. No care. Well, I'm grateful you did this interview, Mr. Lockwood. Oh, Chuckwood, this is just an honor. It's an honor for me.