Whistleblower: Americans Are Being Murdered While Trump Does Nothing and the Media Cover-up Grows

government back during the '60s, war in 1967, is not simply the facts of the case, 34 Americans

“murdered by the Israelis, 171 wounded, bombed, strafe with machine gun fire, etc., that's a tragedy”

and it's shocking. But the most shocking part of the story is that the U.S. government, beginning with it then President Lyndon Johnson covered it up, prevented the survivors from talking about it, prevented the public from knowing that it even happened, that's ongoing, by the way. American officials still refuse to talk about what happened to the U.S. Liberty by and

large with some exceptions. So that's the part of the story that really makes you wonder what is going on here. It's one thing for a foreign country, for a government to murder your citizens, that does happen, but the idea that your own government would take the side of the foreign nation as it murders your people, the people of your government as in charge of caring for.

That is really stunning. And you have to ask why?

“Well in some cases, of course, just a productive evil intent, there are bad people”

in positions of power. But for the most part, it's not active evil, it's passive evil, it's the result of moral cowardice. It's more painful to take the side of your own people than it is the side of a foreign government, therefore you take the side of a foreign government.

That's just the truth about the way most people are, unfortunately. So as you think about that, you think about the depth of the betrayal involved in the aftermath of the U.S. Liberty murders, you think, well, that couldn't possibly happen. Now, well, in fact, it is happening now, right now, more than a dozen American citizens

have been murdered in pogroms in the occupied territories that Israel controls the West Bank. And they've been murdered by Israelis, mostly Israeli settlers, the ones conducting these pogroms, armed by the U.S. government, carrying American rifles. And if you think the Trump pogrom is too strong, you don't know the details of what's happening there is really settlers, many of them American citizens, carrying American weapons,

murdering the local population, Palestinians, some of whom more than a dozen of whom have been American, and by the way, who are prohibited from defending themselves. They cannot carry weapons. Of course, Palestinians can't carry weapons on their own land. But Israeli settlers who seek to steal that land can.

So this is these pogroms have been ongoing, of course. But most Americans have no idea that American citizens have been murdered during the course of them. And they have no idea because the media by large don't report it. And American officials have no interest in talking about it.

So we want to bring you a very specific story of a young American man and by American, we mean literally American born in the United States, worked at his family's ice cream shop in Tampa who was murdered last summer in July of 2025 in the West Bank. He was murdered attempting to go to land that his family owns has a deed to not owns in some conceptual sense, but literally owns.

And he was killed by settlers, none of whom have ever been punished for that crime. And under normal circumstances, we would give long, monologue about why this is bad, of course, itself evidently bad and what it means, but we've just conducted two of the most extraordinary interviews we've done in a long time, one with the father of the boy who was murdered.

And another with an American journalist who works for a Christian, a Catholic publication, who was effectively prevented from talking about this entire topic who was censored on behalf of the Israeli government in the United States. So these two interviews answer at least two questions.

The first is what is happening, you may not know the details, with your money in your

name to your fellow citizens in a foreign land.

“And the second is why haven't you heard about this?”

Why is there effectively a media blackout on the details? Not a total media blackout in fact we're about to play you a clip from CNN which to their credit they did about the murder last summer of the boy from Florida. But by and large, the American media do not report on the details of these crimes, these pogroms.

Why is that? And the second interview with the editor, former editor from the Catholic publication, gives you a sense of just how the news coverage is shut down at the level of the news organization, what the censorship looks like within the newsroom.

And so we want to frame the first interview we're about to bring you with that clip we

just mentioned from CNN, which has video in it that you may not have seen, but this

So what you're about to see is video of the father accompanied by a news crew attempting

to go to the place where his son was beaten to death during these pogroms. Watch. Kamal Moslet hasn't been able to reach this land in over a year. This is the hillside where his son, safe, an American citizen, was killed.

“It's like it's down here, if you want to walk.”

Beating to death by Israeli settlers exactly one year ago. Since then, settlers have illegally occupied the area, preventing this father from getting the closure he so desperately seeks. We have to keep an eye because usually they'll come down that way. But this solemn sacred moment won't last.

Within seconds, we spot a car speeding towards us. We start to leave, but as we drive away, we see that four settlers have set up a road block.

Armed with clubs in rocks, they try and block our way, first with their bodies.

And then, and now it looks like he's trying to slash our tires, he's trying to slash our tires. Oh, he's going to make his own car. A group of independent journalists and activists are in the car behind us, but their vehicle is an armored.

“The settlers are in done, more arrive blocking another road before chasing us and attacking”

us again. Nope, they're trying to stop our car again, they're hitting us. We finally make it back to safety where I get on the phone with Israeli military, which is responsible for security in this area. But settlers have also called the military, and these soldiers are only interested in

harassing us, refusing to take action against the settlers. That man, as you just saw, is called Kamul Mooslet. He runs an ice cream shop in a smash burger store in Tampa, Florida, and we're about to bring you our interview with him. And we're not going to say a lot more because nothing we could say would be half as

affecting or informative as about what you're about to hear him say. Well, we just had one thing, you will hear him describe his efforts to get the attention of his own U.S. Senator Rick Scott of Florida. Now, keep in mind, Kamul Mooslet is from Florida. He grew up in Cluestin, Florida, right near Lake Ocachobe.

He's not some foreigner.

He's an American, an American citizen, and has always been.

His family, his parents, or American citizens. And of course his son, now gone, was an American citizen too. Rick Scott is the Republican Senator who represents him. And yet Rick Scott has refused to meet with him. Rick Scott has always welcomed on this show to explain why consider this an official invitation

to Senator Scott. But keep in mind as you listen to this, that his representative of the United States Senate Rick Scott has refused to meet with him or do anything to affect justice in this case. The killers of his son remain unpunished. So with that, here's our interview with Kamul Mooslet.

Kamul Mooslet, thank you so much for joining us. So I'm hoping you'll tell us the story of your son. And I just want to be clear for people watching that he was an American, not simply a green card holder or even a citizen, but a birthright American born in Florida, fully American. And he was murdered in the occupied territories by settlers.

So tell us who he was and what happened if you would. Safe Ola Mooslet, my son, my name is Kamul Mooslet. Safe Ola Mooslet was born in poor Charlotte, Florida. He was working at an ice cream shop in Tampa, Florida. And me and him, you know, built it together and we opened it up, and he was, it was

a certain ice cream to kids, you know, that was, that was his job description. Safe Ola, in the summer of 2025 July, he was in West Bank, Palestine, and he wanted to visit his family. He wanted to visit, my wife was there at that time, and his siblings were there.

“And honestly, he wanted actually to hopefully find a potential wife, you know, he wanted”

to get engaged. And he said, maybe I can find my spouse there. And so I told him, you know, I was debating because business was booming in the ice from shop was doing well. And, but he convinced me that, let me go there for now.

I told him, okay, but what we'll do is that we'll kind of switch places, you know, I'll go take care of the ice cream shop, while you go there. We spent some time together there together, we spent our holiday there aid, and we attended my nephew's wedding, which is his cousin, and I came back to the States, I left him there.

lands, you know, the land theft that they're doing, and the land theft that they're getting

away with.

“And since April, they've been coming to our town, it's basically a cross from our village.”

A cross from our village meaning this is too big like mountains or hells or one of them has the homes and schools and so forth, and then the other one is kind of like open field, but it's part of our village. Tucker, as you might have heard before, our village consists of 80% American citizens. Yes, and most of the Ramallah area, so my father's the one that came to the States, my

grandfather came to the States in 1895 on a boat and lived in New York.

My father came in the '60s, so, you know, I'm second generation, I've been here for

years, and I grew up in Closed in Florida, a small town building, which is so big.

“I know, yes, yeah, I went to Friday night football games, you know, that's who we are.”

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our American citizens. Most of these American citizens, on these lands, I own a piece of land in this land in this mountain, and there's really settlers have been going there since April 2025 and preventing us from getting to our lands. As you know, Tucker, there's area A, B, and C, believe it or not. This land where these settlers are right now, this moment, as we speak, I can't get to my land. It's area A in area B. It's not this area C, this

feuded Oslo agreement and saying that it's under Israeli authority. No, this is under Palestinian authority, but the Palestinian authority doesn't even go there. We don't go there. So, they were trying to get to their lands since April, and week after week, they were attacked and attacked and attacked, and it just, you know, it doesn't make sense that we can't get to our lands because of five or six or seven of these Israeli settlers

attacking us. You know, they're armed with m16, they're armed with sticks, with rocks, and so for it, and every time someone would try to go there, they would get hurt or attack. And ever since, but it's all right to be in our land. You know, this is land that is owned by us. It's land owned by American citizens, Tucker. This is like, there's many Americans all over the world that by land and all land in many foreign countries. So, that July 11th,

just like every other week, many people were trying to get into their lands. They were prevented by these Israeli settlers. Say, Fala was one of the people that was trying to get

and there wasn't many settlers, or they didn't see many settlers, it seemed that they had

“an ambush ready for them. When they got there, maybe 50 settlers, a mob of them, ambushed”

Safa law ambushed his friend Muhammad, the should of be attacked many other people, that they, his friend Muhammad, the should of be was shot in the back, close friend of him, Palestinian, but his name is not known as much because he's not an American, you know? Safa law was

being to death that day, and what happened was that the ambulance, a first ambulance was

trying to reach him, and on the way there, it was attacked by stones and had to go back. My other son Muhammad, when he heard about the snooze, and I'm in the state's Tucker right now at this moment. Sorry, it's all right. It's hard to imagine. It's my oldest son, I was like, oh, I get these messages that are saying that Safa law is in this mountain, and Safa law has been hurt. Nobody's giving me direct messages. Nobody's telling me exactly

what's happened, and I understand that nobody wants to tell the father what's going on. My younger son Muhammad, he heard what happened, he crossed his mountain, and he just, you know, I guess the drone had pumped into him, and he wasn't afraid that there was this really settlers there. He wasn't afraid that there's really army, remember, Tucker, there's

“really army, their presence was there at that moment, and that's why we couldn't get”

another ambulance. After the first ambulance went back, they had to get a permit for another

ambulance to enter to get to Safa law, and it took two and a half hours until they finally got the permit to reach Safa law. But my son, when he heard this, he went there, he crossed this mountain, and he told me there was settlers on top, but they didn't see him. The Israeli soldier didn't see him, he got to his brother. He reached his brother, and I was calling and calling when I say for law's phone, and someone answered, I was kind of relieved that that moment,

but it wasn't safe because Safa law's face was blue. He had a hard time breathing, his body just couldn't take it, and what's said is, my other son was told me that he was still breathing, waiting for some sort of help. He was unconscious with his eyes open, and when I called him later on, you know, my son told me that he didn't look good from, you know, that he needed some sort of

medical attention medical help, and when he finally, when they finally approved for this ambulance,

to get to him after two and a half hours, they put him on the stretcher, and five minutes before he got into the ambulance, my son told me that he took his last breath. So it was just that matter, just that time, you know, like if they allowed the ambulance, if the first ambulance got into him, you know, he would be with us right now at this moment. I would not be having this interview with you at this moment. You know, I would be with my son. I would be in an ice cream shop

“working together. The first one didn't make it. Why not allow the second one to get their sooner?”

They should have been the ones knowing that Israeli illegal is really settlers, being in land that that's not there's under Oslo agreement, under international law, under Israeli law. You know, there's these big signs up there. I don't know if you've seen pictures of them, that it is illegal for an Israeli to be in an area A. There's these big red signs. So it's under

Why are they not even sending ambulances to help these people that have been hurt?

And he took his last breath at that moment and ever since then, you know, there's been no accountability. There's been no justice. There's only been more settlers going there until this day, over a year, and settlers are still in those areas. Every time we try to go there, we get attacked and just on the one-year anniversary, I don't know if you've seen the scene in report that I did with Jeremy Diamond. I agreed with the scene that I would, you know, do a follow-up with them.

But like, I had a condition that I needed to be safe. They provided me an armored car.

And they provided me bulletproof vests. So think about it to try to get to my own land.

“The only way that I can feel safe is if I'm in an armored car. And this is one year later since”

that, you know, my son was murdered. And we all know, you know, what did my, my cock, I'll be say, when he learned about civil laws murdered, you know, he called it a criminal and terrorist act. Criminal and terrorist act. What did the director of the FBI say? I was listening to him

not long ago, and the thing popped up, he said, this is the exact words. If you kill an

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“country, what would be the outcome? Would they not send authorities from the US to investigate it?”

Why is my son different from this situation? It just doesn't make sense. I didn't get a call from Rick Scott. I didn't get a call from the scientists. I tried to set up meetings with them when I went to DC. But don't get me wrong. There's many centers out there that are so sincere and, you know, Van Hollen is one of them. And him in 27 or 28 other centers signed a letter demanding an investigation and independent investigation led by the US. And so this day, you know,

nothing. You know, I try to get some answers from this radio authority and they haven't sent them, they give me no update. I don't know, you know. So that day when I went with Jeremy

I wanted to maybe give some closure, you know. I wanted to see

“this tree that he was under, because he was under a tree, there's a fence put him under a tree,”

where there was shade. It was hot that day. And I wanted to reach that tree. But that day when we went with seeing him one year later, they're still there. We got attacked. The car was attacked. The journalists behind us got attacked. We were safe because we were an armored car. The footage shows that the settlers were trying to slash the tire with the knife. And it was this was after reaching the area that the attack occurred. I reached that area.

And to be honest, it was really hard on me because I started to imagine my son being in that area, being attacked and his friends being attacked. And our next step was our next like area our goal to reach was the tree that took his last breath in under. And on our way there, when we were attacked, then we were chased, then we were chased around the whole mountain until we got out safely. And even after that, they came down to the village and they started to attack

“and so forth. And you know, it's like until when, you know, why is there not sanctions on these people?”

On these terrorists? Why are they not? Why is there not enough international pressure stopping this? And this happened, you know, this is not only happening to, you know, Palestinians, this happened to, this is happening to Americans. So, you know, we're funding this. That day, they said that we were attacked with Jeremy, seeing them. They said they apprehended four people. But what really happened, because the next day we couldn't get there, it's like

the Israeli army being, you know, claiming that they're that great, they can't remove seven or eight settlers from this mountain because the Palestinians can do only so much. And, you know,

“they can't really retaliate against them. And they all have the only thing that they could do is just”

basically nothing, you know, we took it to the courts, we took it to the courts and tried to evict them,

which makes no sense evicting them from land, that's not even theirs, or evicting them from land that they're trying to steal. And the courts order from the Israeli courts, the Israeli Supreme Court has a court order that they must be removed, that they must leave and still nothing. No investigation from the U.S. Department of State is really authorities, a lot of removing them, and they're just saying that they're, you know, they're just a bunch of wild gang or some sort of,

and till this day, you know, where, you know, I'm there as a father, I feel I have a responsibility for my son, for safe, that I can't give up, you know, and do what I can as an American, Tucker, he, he loved being an American. I mean, like, if he got his new passport, like, Monday, the new passport with the cards, he sent me a video, he said, "Dad, Dad, look at the new passport." It's different. Then he, his friend sent me a video after he was killed,

and then I, I seen only, I never seen before until I was killed. And it was holding this U.S. passport,

and he was saying that blue was blue. It doesn't matter. This was safe direct word. He said, it doesn't matter if you're a Palestinian American, it doesn't matter if you're any other, he said, "Blue's blue American is an American." And this, this was, like, he believed in it so much, you know, and it kind of, you know, like, how disappointed would he be right now that his passport did nothing for him. Uh, okay, you know, this is who saved us.

They came at the beginning some, they were, four were arrested that day. They didn't give me information

“on who they didn't say it. But, you know, they were released soon after.”

So no, no one's been punished for murdering your son. Nobody's been punished.

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to make sure I have this clear. You're an American, you run an ice cream shop in Tampa where your son and American citizen work, but your flirty ins. And Rick Scott, the Republican senator, from Florida, will not meet with you after your son and American citizen and Florida resident was murdered in a foreign country. Is that, is that they get lit? We've tried to do direct meetings

“with him. I think they wanted us to meet with their staff so forth. I wanted to direct,”

I wanted to meet him directly. You know, I want to DC, I met with many senators. You know, why not my senator? You know, my flirty ins senator. I just want to say that again, Rick Scott and his phone number for his offices on the internet encourage everyone to look it up and give the office a call. Rick Scott, the Republican senator from Florida will not meet with his own constituent who's son was murdered in a foreign country. That, you know, you think like the

USS Liberty could never happen now that American leaders would never tolerate their own people

being killed by a foreign country. They'd never cover up on behalf of foreign power when Americans are murdered, but clearly it is happening again. And my son is not even the only American has been killed there. You know, since 2003, a dozen Americans have been killed. And even after my son, you know, like my whole thing was maybe this time will be different. Maybe something will happen. Something will, there'll be a change because there was, you know, there was media

out there about covering about safe story. And it won't happen again. There'll be some sort of international pressure. No other American will be killed there. And even after my son was killed two more Americans were killed by Israeli settlers after my son. And it just doesn't stop. And like, you know, my whole thing is like, you know, why is the US government not doing enough for three citizens, you know, when it comes to, you know, them being killed, you know, by Israelis.

“You know, I don't know, I could like, don't you think it was in the other place in the world?”

There would be this investigation there, you know, they'll, they'll send out, you know, they're investigators and so forth to see what happened. And, you know, it's been a year down the road. And like, I just feel now it's even too late. Like, you know, one kind of investigation can you do after a year. You know, when, you know, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm going to try to keep doing my part, you know, and, and demand justice, demand accountability. And hopefully, the impunity that they

have thinking they can do anything they want and get away with it because they are. And, you know, nobody's stopping them, you know, slap to the wrist or so forth or, but, you know, there's no true

director of the FBI said, you know, the, he's claiming that you, you're not going to get away if you kill Americans, but these guys have. Okay. You can also rape children in the United States

and flee to Israel and never face justice. And that's happened a lot. So, of course, um, they behave

as if they have impunity because they do have impunity. That's the end. They do have impunity. And, and, you know, Mike Hucke will be, you know, called me up, you know, two days after. And these were my exact words that I asked him. I said, should I not fear to go into my land as an

“American that is undermining that I purchased any time I want? And he said, no, you should not.”

I don't remember one year later, I still fear going into my land. He came to my house,

we sat with each other. And he told me he, he would, he wants to get answers from the

Israeli authorities and still, still today, no answers from them. They, the, the case is still open, you know, when, when we asked, but with, with no answers, what, what, nothing. Well, use the United States ambassador in a country that would only exist because of the United States. So, if he wanted answers, he could get answers. He sees the envoy from the Trump administration, the benefactor of Israel. So, it's like not, not that hard to get answers if you, if you

“really want to. So, he doesn't really want to. Well, he hurts a lot. That's how it is like,”

you know, imagine what it feels like, like, my own tax dollars that I pay, you know, contributed to my own son's murder. Yes. You know, that hurts. And it that that that hurts because we all know our tax dollars go there. And my son was killed there. So, do I have a part of that reality? You know, so I can, we, you know, we can pray for the best

and now. And, you know, hope that there'll be some change, you know, they'll, they'll finally

put a stop to this land theft that just keeps going and going and going. And just three weeks ago, just three weeks ago, they put a new outpost in our land. And in, in the buzzer of Shaquille land, land is owned by most of the 80% Americans from our, from our village. And they brought their sheep. They started small. Now there's a tent there. And now every day more and more sellers are going there. And now another area of our village that we can't go to, because this is ready to

sell their their. This was just three weeks ago. So it's not stopping. It's not, it's just, it's increasing actually on and every day. I appreciate your taking the time to tell your story and the story of your son and what happened after he was murdered in this program. And I hope many people will see this. And I hope that changes the result of that. So thank you very much. Well, thank you, Tucker, for having me. Let me do my story and let in my, you know, sounds like a seal of one. Thank you.

So if you just watch that entire interview, we were mostly exhausted by the end of it.

“You may be asking yourself, among many other questions, why did I know that this happened?”

Programs are underway. Literal programs where people are being murdered, including American citizens, including a boy from an ice cream shop in Tampa. And I didn't know that even happened. Well, the reason you may not have known is because the media are by and large, not covering it. There is one exception. It's a Catholic publication whose political editor you're about to meet former political editor and his name is Steven Harried. Harried describes how coverage of this story

and stories like it has been shut down at a Christian publication. And of course, if it's shut down

States. But without delay, here is editor, Steven Harried. Steven, thanks so much for doing this. This story, what happened to you recently is

it's hard to believe at first. So if I understand just the outline of it, you were working

for a Catholic news organization and you were told not to allow anything in print that might criticize discredit the state of Israel up to and including the state of Israel's mistreatment of Christians. Is that right? It's not quite such a complete prohibition.

“More alarmingly, I guess, here's the thing. Let me just for a little context.”

Yeah, I work for, and I'm a longtime political editor for Zeal News, which is a Catholic votes news outlet. And we have, in the past, done a lot of coverage until very recently, done a lot of coverage,

arguably more than any other Catholic outlet on the mistreatment of Palestinians by Israeli forces and

by the Israeli settler movement. And whatever main source is on the ground has been the organization, the vulnerable people project, which I know you've heard of and I've seen mentioned on your show, and what happened is right after the NAPA conference, it was conveyed to me that we were now adopting a new policy and it was to drastically reduce our coverage of Israel. Now, I will say it's been presented to me in various ways. On one occasion, yeah, it was a total prohibition, no coverage of Israel

until the elections. That says a rule. And maybe with exceptions, and there will be, if there are

exceptions, it has to be explicitly brought to the CEO and under brought under extra scrutiny.

I'm starting to ask you to pause until witch elections. I guess the upcoming midterms. Reference. And so to me, though, what was alarming on the outset was this came in the context of right after the NAPA conference in California, which was attended by the U.S. ambassador to the Vatican, right? And what is the NAPA conference? The NAPA Institute, the people present would be Catholic, influential Catholics and politics and media donors. And the U.S. ambassador to the

Vatican Brian Birch, who is the former president of Catholic vote, was there and the current CEO of Catholic vote, and of Zeal, Kelsey Reinhardt, and another executive met with him. They also met with donors, meaning the current CEO and other executives met with donors. And it was presented to me as coming from that. Like one of the takeaways from our meeting, our meeting with donors and from our meeting with the ambassador is we have to change our editorial policy on all issues with, you know,

all articles that we were publishing with regard to this one issue is real. That in itself, without even getting into the substance of what the policy change might be, was so alarming that I immediately

“went to my media supervisor and said, I think this violates my conscience. I don't, I don't think”

I can abide by this. But that was only, I guess, the beginning. If you're over 35, you remember exactly where you were on 9/11, that morning, September 11, 2021, 25 years ago. But amazingly after a quarter century, we still can't say with certainty what happened that day. Why? Because the government is holding so many of the 9/11 files 25 years later. That's not the behavior of someone who's telling the truth, that's the behavior of a government that is lying. Secrecy is a sign that someone's

lying. Now, former congressman Kurt Weldon has put on this for a long time, the FBI actively tried to destroy his life for asking questions about what happened. And his new book outlines it all, the buried intelligence, the bureaucratic cowardice, and yes, the cover-up, spanning multiple administrations indeed generations. 9/11 changed history. So it's worth understanding what really happened and you can get a lot closer to that in Kurt Weldon's book, "Able Danger"

with a 9/11 commission ever told you. It's available now on Tucker Carlson Books.com. Tucker Carlson Books.com. May I ask you, again, to pause and tell us what your supervisor said

“when you, when you explain your conscience won't permit you to work under these conditions?”

Oh, my direct supervisor was very sympathetic. And there are, as you know, on this issue,

for sympathy for days. And if you tell people, we're changing our policy on Israel stories

until the elections. You'll find that sympathy in one or two retirement communities and maybe Florida in New York and maybe in some boardrooms in DC. But as you've seen, I mean, people are very morally outraged by the comportment of Israel in the West Bank. And of course, in Gaza, over the last three years, almost. So yeah, my direct supervisor is very sympathetic.

“There are plenty of people who are very sympathetic. And in fact, Tucker, I'd honestly say,”

and I said this to everyone before I resigned, I said, I believe that you are fundamentally an agreement with me on this. I view you not as, you know, some bad guy trying to impose something

on me, but as a good person who's been manipulated. And to me, that's, that's my main attitude

toward this. And I feel bound in conscience. And I even said this to executives before I resigned. I said, this is, I'm mistakenly, a moral scandal. And with the involvement of the U.S. Ambassador to the Vatican, especially in light of how I've spoken, or how he father has been, as well as his right hand man and the Holy Man, you know, here at Batista, pizza ballad, the cardinal who is the patriarch of Jerusalem to say nothing of the clergy on the ground in the West Bank,

for the U.S. Ambassador to be going to the U.S. in meeting with an executive at a media organization and saying, we need to adjust our policy toward Israel in the way we cover it, is inherently scandalous. And I said, I will not be complicit in such a scandal, and I don't be, I don't appreciate being put in the position of sitting on it, you know.

“And sure enough, you know, when I reached out to your team, your response, I think, was as common”

sensical as mine. Like, are you kidding me? You know, that's very alarming. There's no mistaken yet, is there? No, it's shocking. I mean, this is a Christian news organization reporting on among other things, the mistreatment of Christians in the Holy Land. And so to hear, not just that you was official, but the ambassador to the Vatican would be trying to shut that down. Yeah, I trouble believing that could be true, but, you know, that's a daily experience for me.

Well, to be clear, Tucker, I wasn't a previous conversation. I didn't have a conversation with you, some bastard of the Vatican, but it was very strange to me that three executives independently confirmed that this conversation had taken place. Two of them were present. And recount, yeah,

“as I was saying to Brian, and as he said, so to be meeting with the ambassador to the Vatican”

and coming out of that meeting with, and here's our new editorial policy with regard to all stories of having to do with Israel. By the way, I'm Catholic votes in a sense. I'm Catholic votes most senior editor. I'm not, you know, I'm the political editor to hear this as sort of just marching orders out of the blue and for it to be presented frankly, cavalierly. Here's the other thing, you know, when I talked with the CEO, she did mention, "I do," quote, "I do," she said,

I understand that some things have been communicated in a clunky and alarming way. At one point, she even said she would have one person who communicated it to me, rescind his communicate. Nonetheless, I was like, no, you don't go oops on something like this. This is very grave. And I was very, frankly, I'm still mystified that they would not see how serious I was, but also how grave the situation is, if that makes sense.

What do you think motivated this? What kind of coverage and part of my ignorance were you all doing before this conversation? Wonderful coverage. Really, I'm very proud of it. I'm very proud of them. They really stuck their necks out. One of our main focuses to give you a flavor of it was Tiber. And thank you, by the way, I've heard you mentioned Tiber on your shows. It's the last all-Christian town in the West Bank and it has been subject

to some really nasty, settler violence and menacing activity by settlers surrounding it, but trying to push the local community out. This is an ancient Christian community.

They descend from the first converts. I mean, the West Bank is made up of descendants of

Christ's first followers. But we've done some beautiful coverage of Tiber that included exclusive comments from the residents there. That coverage included citations of those residents expressing,

violence against them and threats against them by settlers. So there's a final chapter to this.

“Hours after I attended my resignation, Brazil website published its first report on Tiber without”

my editorial oversight and presumably in keeping with the new policy that they had adopted on Israel. And in sharp contrast, all of the past reports on Tiber, there were no direct quotations from the residents. The main source it cited was an official statement from the Israeli military. And that statement gave its rationale as we are coming into clearing Tiber a closed military zone in order to protect the residents from settler violence. It flies in the face of everything we,

the whole perspective of the local community, including, by the way, Father Bashar, the local

pastor who we've quoted in our past reports. These are exclusive quotes. By the way, I got these

exclusive contexts through the vulnerable people project. And a major part of the policy that troubled me the most when they said we're going to be changing our policy on Israel was zero. Absolutely no more citations of the vulnerable people project as a source. And I'm like, there are main source. There are gold mine. There are U.S. based Catholic Apostle it. Their work has been favorably written up by the official Vatican news portal.

They have contacts with everyone on the ground, including Father Bashar. It's through them that I got these exclusive comments from Tiber's residents

to suddenly no longer be able to cite BPP or use them as a source. And they're offering us

exclusive freely to suddenly if that's a major curtailment of my ability to cover what's happening to the community in the West Bank. And so anyway, in this report, no quotations of local residents. The main quotation was an Israeli press release from the military. And by the way, since then, I've been in a group chat with residents of Tiber and they sure enough, of course, they told me the general mood of our sentiment on the ground is we are frightened of the presence of the

new -- the increased Israeli military presence. And we don't trust it. And we're afraid that it might even lead to a worse outcome. We feel more under threat. And in addition to that, the settlers are still getting through. This is supposedly a closed military zone. The Christian residents of Tiber are saying our movement is being restricted. But settlers are walking into our town armed and not being stopped, which presumably would be

“the purpose of this closed military zone, would be to check them before they get in, right?”

So, and we've seen that there's footage now of people in Tiber being confronted by settlers and then the better one in communities right outside of Tiber are being directly attacked by settlers. Yesterday, as I was literally in communication with them directly while these attacks were happening. So, the military zone is not working. More importantly, the residents don't even believe it was intended to. It sounds like it is working according to its purpose.

So disgraceful. It's so evil. Why would the United States ambassador to the Vatican abet the ethnic cleansing of Christians from the land that Jesus walked? I don't understand. I don't know how to talk around it. And I can't speculate beyond to say like,

“in a way, I think that what's happening right now, we battle, as scripture says,”

against power in principalities. It would be simplistic and unproductive to go, okay, I found the bad guys. Right. Now, that's not my bad wagon. Exactly. We're none of the bad guys are. We're all good. The lineess also needs to be said between the evil runs through the human heart. And I just found it run through the hearts of everyone in my organization. Right. Yeah. And with and hours for that matter. And hours right. And so the message that I feel I want to send

is more like, right now, the church in the Holy Land is suffering. And I want Catholics in America to be intimate with Christ, to be close to Christ, to look to Christ and not lose their not lose sight of Christ on the cross and not lose sight of the body of Christ where it's suffering, especially. And not allow whatever the interests might be that would say, well, until the elections, we need to focus, you know, downplace them, you know, like,

being in solid area, I think, especially with our co-religionists when they're under attack.

“As you said, in the Land where Christ walked, the birthplace of our faith, what could be more important”

that than that? Someone's ambitions for 28, maybe some donors who are angling for something. And it's certainly, by the way, not an even in the interests of the current administration, which has been outspoken increasingly outspoken, by the way, against Israeli aggressions. We have Trump directly to crying Netanyahu's use of arms in Lebanon, where they're offensive as explicitly modeled after their Gaza offensive. And he's specifically calling it

out for a high civilian casualties. We have Vice President Vance, warning about domestic efforts to pressure people to comply with Israel's interests. And we have the Trump administration repeatedly calling them out over annexations over the settler movement, explicitly. So, yeah, again, I don't,

“if you know what I mean, I guess I'm saying, why would this happen?”

Because there's a devil, not because a high found them, the bad guys. This guy's turned bad in where, you know, something like that. It's not as simple as that. In fact, you know what I would also say is that I would say that especially alarming is the fact this is all especially alarming because

of how good everyone involved is. Yes, there is a powerful just outpouring of power in the direction

of keeping American Christians from looking at their own church where it suffers and their own Lord and being intimate with the people in the Holy Land. It's so powerful that even the best of us, you know, again, a Catholic voting zeal, I think have done, I would say arguably they've been the best of all outlets in the U.S. in terms of coverage of this issue. And even they, someone even got to them, you see them saying? Of course I do. Yeah, so to me, it's almost like it's not like,

I found the bad guys and I want to go on a talker show and, you know, get, you know, tell everyone how bad they are. Um, my attitude is almost more like, wow, this is so bad that even the best

people, um, the, the, who are advocating ostensibly for the interests of, of our faith and of our

Lord and of the body of Christ are feeling enough pressure that they're going to their editor and saying shut up, you know, like, we have to be real care, you know, whatever, like I said, even if they weren't saying shut up and no coverage, even if they were saying we've got a new policy on this one issue, that's it. That's enough for me. I'm like new, that's very alarming. That is such a wise perspective and I just want to thank you for it. Um, because it is, it's,

it's bigger than the story itself and it is of a piece and the rest of the piece is Christian persecution and it's happening in a lot of different places most strikingly in Ukraine, where the Bolshevik and charge is banned the largest Christian denomination and not one in the thousand Americans knows that their tax dollars are supporting this. So I wonder if you see this as foreshadowing of Christian persecution in the United States? I mean, yes, I shouldn't say

it no, of course. Yes, in the sense of, um, you know, there's the symbol that convinced me and kept me tied to Christianity even when I struggled most profoundly with my faith to the point of identifying as an atheist was the crucifix and it was because it looks like reality. Um, Christ identified himself, went out of his way to identify himself kind of especially with people who are not letting on the program. You know, people who are, um, marginalized who are not

“respected or represented, um, and then he died like one of them and he said, you have to treat”

them like they're me. Um, right now, I see definitely in our political messaging, something that is more dangerous to Christians because it doesn't directly target Christians and said it inviggles them into complicity and attacking their innocent neighbors who are not Christian. And so it's still a betrayal of the heart of Christianity. It is not, it is a betrayal of love and of human solidarity, um, and it is a stumbling block to our neighbors who to whom

the gospel is meant to be good news, not a threat. So right now in our messaging, and unfortunately Catholic vote has even been, I just again, the sum of the best of us are being drawn into this. You've seen the messaging about Muslims. We're living in a continent. We're living in a context

of numerous military unjust military actions, including against civilians throughout the Arab world.

“Most of the victims of which, yes, are Muslims. Many of whom are all, obviously also Christians,”

and there's no downplaying the gravity of ISIS, the rise of Radical Islam, and the persecution of minorities, EZD, Christians, et cetera, throughout the Middle East. But in the context of this, we are part of, we helped get people elected who are involved in horrifically on judge. We just, what, what bombed a girl school in, in Iran based on like 1.0-level GPS AI systems, um, no apologies is just sort of, um, and, uh, and that's just the latest of,

of, of a long train of examples of abuse is military brutality to say nothing of our backing of

Israeli policies that have hurt people from, went to the Kinesi and gave a speech at one point in the most set of U.S. manufacturers providing the arms that Netanyahu used in Gaza,

“and then he turned to Netanyahu who was present and said, and you used them well.”

Um, I cried that day. It was, it was, it twisted my guts because I was, I helped get this man elected and this is evil. But right now the messaging of Muslims, I, else I had, you can oppose the guy's candidacy for a numerous reasons. But he said, Injala, so he's a, that's actually code for I'm declaring war on Western civilization. I have a co-worker, by the way, is Lebanese Christian, Lebanese American. She uses Injala. It's, it's like saying how are you? I mean, it's so common

in their language throughout the era of the world, one person, um, by the way, who works for VPP, uh, he is a Christian, he's an, he's an ex-patth from Gaza. And he said, I say, Injala, like 20 times a day. Do you know what it means? Literally? Do you know what the English translation from the Arabic means? God willing, roughly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. That's, God willing. And as a Christian, there's kind of no sentiment I endorse more than that. That's not a conflict with my faith. It's,

it's an expression of my faith. So yeah. Yeah. And the other thing is that, you know, the messaging on the right, we can't be complicit in it, man, as Christians. Oh, I know. The, the, the, the, it's funny too. I mean, there's Christian community in Dearborn, Michigan, and it's all about how they're going to, you know, slaughter everyone as soon as we're not looking. This is a group of, they've, they've partnered with local Christians to get, you know, LGBT extremes out of schools. Yeah, I know. There's social

conservatives. They're family oriented. Oh, I know. Oh, I know them. Yes. Yeah. I could, and they all work to elect Trump, which is the irony. They all did. I don't, I don't know. I, you know, the support that Trump got from Arabs in the United States, Arab American voters was really, really strong

“the majority. And by the way, yeah, I think if I remember correctly, Jesus spent two full days in a”

Samaritan village. Right. And I mean, the, the Samarits were the enemies of the Jews. Of course, you know, they were going to hell. They were heretics apostates and Jesus lingered in their village and brought them over to him. So it's like the idea that we have a moral duty to hate Muslims. No, we have a moral duty to love people. Period. Yeah, especially people when they are most directly under threat. Yeah. And I don't appreciate my friend having a crosshair put over her face,

because she has a Middle Eastern last name. And because she says in Chala, yeah, and that's wrong. It is wrong Christians have, I'm sorry. I mean, Christ demands that we not do that. Right. Yeah. So I'm, I must say I'm really, I'm impressed by your bravery in

resigning something people almost never do. And I'm grateful that you did because it opens up

your future to something else and you're clearly on a path that this, this will help this country. So what is your next step? My next step, if I may, is I asked Father Bashar. I said, I'm about to do an interview. I didn't say where that's high profile and that will air soon. Would you like to say something to American Christians? I'd be honored if I could convey what your message is. Father Bashar is the pastor in type, but and I wanted to know his perspective on

what, unfortunately, zeal reported was a new policy of declaring type of closed military zone so that the IDF could protect Christians and if you wouldn't mind, could I read his statement?

Thibah is not simply another village on the map. It is an ancient Christian community rooted

“in the land of Christ for centuries and today our people are facing a very serious threat to their”

ability to remain on their land in security, freedom, and dignity. For months, we have experienced repeated settler incursions on to private and agricultural lands, fires, damage to property, intimidation of families and workers, and attempts to establish a permanent presence around our

town. Even after Thibah was declared a closed military zone, settlers have continued to enter

areas around the village. This is why we believe that any new military presence or security measures

“must be judged by what actually happens on the ground. Are the attacks stopped? Are our homes”

and lands protected? Confirmers and workers reach their land safely, can our children and families live without fear? Our concern is that measures announced in the name of protecting Thibah,

must not end up restricting the people who are being threatened while failing to stop those

responsible for the violence. Protection must mean real protection of this community. It's freedom of movement, it's property, and it's future. To our Christian brothers and sisters in the United

“States, I would say, please do not look at us only as Christians who need sympathy.”

CS has your brothers and sisters who are asking for justice, dignity, and the right to remain in the land where Christianity was born. We do not ask that you stand against anyone, we ask you to stand for human dignity, for justice, for peace, and for the protection of innocent people. Use your voices, your churches, your institutions, and your relationships with your elected representatives to ensure that the protection of Christian communities in the Holy Land

is not only spoken about, but translated into concrete action. And please come and see us. Visit Thibah, pray with us, meet our children and families, listen to their stories, and then go home and tell others what you have witnessed. Despite everything our message is not one of despair, we intend to remain. Our answer to fear is faith. Our answer to isolation is solidarity, and our answer to the threat of displacement is to strengthen life here, through our schools,

jobs, healthcare, support for young families, and especially through giving our children a reason to believe that they have a future in their homeland. Please pray for us, but also walk with us. Help us keep hope alive in Thibah, and keep the Christian presence alive in the Holy Land, with gratitude and hope for the Bashar. Thank you very much for doing this interview and for explaining it so well and for your integrity

in how you responded. It's definitely a model for the rest of us. I hope we see you again. Thank you, sir. That's it for us. Thanks so much for watching. We'll see you next Wednesday.