Jason Mantzoukas and Mallory Rubin on ‘Shoresy’ Season 5. Plus, ‘A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms’ S2 Casting News, and a ‘Game of Thrones’ Film.

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After receiving what could only be described as a monsoon of laughies, it's Mallory Rubin at our special guest, one of the great watchers of Tri-On Halls. Joseph, let's go. Let's go. Let's go.

Go on. Set up your cell, chain, settle down. To the studio, settle down. Set up your cell. Give your balls a touch.

We are here to talk about the fifth season of Shoresy. As you're doing a great job setting the tone, CR. Thank you. You got to set the tone. I texted you guys last night.

Give your balls a touch. Yes, you replied. No. I did. I didn't.

As I felt like as commanded.

“It doesn't seem like appropriate to be like, I've deleted the class.”

How did she know they were so cramped up in there? Jason Manceukis and I, we did Shoresy season for one. I remember. And then I stood outside of the studio.

I'm waiting for you two to emerge to tell you that I have genuinely never in my life.

I'm so betrayed by two people. I consider tier, tier friends. Yeah. I did too. And I didn't want to, oh, we're face complaint against you.

And you kept saying this one's just for the boy. Yeah. I felt a voice for the boys. The boys. But no.

I would never do season. Another season of Shoresy. I will never do without you. Yeah. You love this more purely than almost anything in your life.

I think. And obsessed with this show, I'm, I, and some, one of the nerds that loves this show will figure out is, I recommended this show. On the watch. Yes.

At least a year before I think you even started watching. Absolutely. I was just like very long time. I was like, yeah, but like, that's kind of dull sometimes. This is one of my favorite shows.

It's been in my top 10, the last two years. I think it probably will be again this year. Oh. We're going to get to Shoresy. We're going to probably talk a little bit of here to ride really because of the extended

Canadian hockey TV pipeline and the Jacob Tierney connection that no longer really exists

“the Shoresy, but I think it's important to talk about.”

And we'll talk about some other stuff, obviously. To start with, I wanted to, since I have two of the biggest game of Thrones fans in my life. I think. Chat a little bit about some developments in West Rose.

Let's go. Let's do it. Let's take a trip. Just treat. TV is B&TV and they're shooting night of the seven kingdoms.

I think they're in production. And night of the seven kingdoms casting news, Lucy Boyne, who people might remember from Sing Street, horror heads might remember from Blackcoats, daughter. Okay. I think everybody remembers that.

She is playing Lady Rowan. Yeah. I like it. One of the main characters in Season 2. One of the most exciting developments, Babu Cese, from Alien Earth.

Freaked out when I saw this. Awesome. Maro. Is playing Serbenus? Benus of the Brown.

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Have you because of talk to thrones, because of House of R, I did something that I've never

done before, which was I read Game of Thrones books. Okay. And so when I say I read them, I mean, I listened to the audio books. It's a wonderful audio book for these novellas and they are incredible. And all three books are a sum total of nine hours.

Yes. I've had to convince him. So digestible. And it is so great. I cannot recommend it enough.

I don't doubt that I would love it. Here's my thing. If I become a guy who also reads books, then what's the angle I bring to talk the thrones? Okay.

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So it's great to know that we're going to get a night of the 7 Kingdoms every year. And that there's a continuity of character, Duncan Egg. We have this like wonderful investment after six episodes now in that relationship. And then we get to meet new people because we're in a new place. And the ideas of the novellas that they're like, where are these guys at this moment

in time? And what is this story and this adventure who was going to move into the show and into their lives as a result to get to do that every winter or spring or whatever the calendar ends up being is like an absolute delight.

“One of the things that I think is so difficult, and I feel like both of you talk about”

on your shows is this collision of prestige, TV, high and elevated television. These shows that are hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars to produce and take a year to make and huge, just like the ambition is off the charts, the shows are huge. And then we also talk about or you talk about and I've talked about as well. The boy is in it fun to have TV.

Sure. The pit. Sounds that feel like TV. And now I feel like a night of the seven kingdoms or something like slow horses is threading the needle.

Slow horses is you are doing an incredible show that has scale and scope fantastic performances,

but it comes out every ten months, a new season, boom. And if they can know in the novellas as I now do as a well-read Westerosy and audio book subscriber. Oh yes, with an audible account, don't worry about it. Or you know what?

Spotify account. I'm just testing the limits a little bit. Yeah. I bet they bleep. Yeah.

I bet the whole time is just bleeped off, I say, or the, or, this Spotify doesn't want the libraries to get the subscribers, the subscribers. So I think burning library. Oh, yeah. Oh, I think Spotify put all the libraries out of business.

Yeah, pretty much. Really? Really ever in business, like, oh, yeah, it's for profit libraries. It's just like a late piece. That's a good idea, though, dude.

Yeah. Should we get into that? Yeah. So profit libraries. You call it a book store.

Yeah. That's interesting. You have to bring it back. What do you think? You have to bring the book back.

We'll judge you 13 dollars. Okay. But you still have to bring it back. It's a book rental. It's a book rental.

It's a book rental. Yeah. Yeah. Are you paying for early access? You get to cut the line.

Are you paying for a recommendation? You see ours picks? I love curation. That's great. Yeah.

I would rather be the old school version because, you know, like, the library. And it would just be like, you call and you'd be like, what's what's the weather to more on? And they'd have to answer, right? I never did that.

But it's not true. What? What? Did you? Yeah.

People are called the newspaper to get the other. Oh, interesting. Yeah. We're really old. I'm older than you.

So you probably don't remember that. Both of you buy a button. But I am older and spirit. And I would say probably if you did some testing, also body, then both of you. Oh, please.

My body is an active collapse. Jason, you mentioned the TVification of Game of Thrones. I thought this was really interesting that this week, among everything else that's happening in Hollywood with Paramount and Warner Brothers and Andy and I were talking about. Wait, what's going on with Paramount?

One of them. They bought each other. Uh-oh. I mean, Andy will probably get more into that on Monday.

“Well, it came out in, I believe, a variety first, but widely reported that Bowilman has”

a script for a Game of Thrones movie that I don't know. They're moving forward on that it's the draft is in. This has been reportedly its centers on Agon's conquest. So we've been hearing for some time that the Agon's conquest story that was in development could end up being a movie, right?

Yes.

I don't know if there is enough opportunity enough of window here to change what this movie is about. I think Agon's conquest is a movie. At some point in time would be great. Do you mean we're moving?

We're moving? Yeah. Yeah. You could get Casey on the phone and be like this. Casey, listen to the watch.

Casey, if you're listening. He only listen to Andy. Yeah. Can we call Andy? Can we get him?

He doesn't want to show us. He's a huge, shorty. Yeah.

“I think that this movie should be a black fire rebellion movie.”

A first black fire rebellion movie.

So that we stay in continuity in the timeline. And then it's also like clarifying why is this a movie, why is this a show? Because we're in a night of the seven kingdoms in this stretch of the canon as a television show. We're glimpsing.

Oh, we were at the redgrass field. We're hearing people say black fire pretender give us in real time and our lives a movie about this key event at this stretch of the canon. As you think, though, my question would be, are they doing the math and saying a movie at this scale?

Yeah. Is four years away from being released? We will have done all the Duncan egg story. Well, they're really doing Duncan egg for 15 years, but they will be finished doing House of the Dragon by then.

So that does alleviate a little bit of a game of thrones here. We have House of the Dragon here. We have a Knight of the Seven Kingdoms here. We have the Egonz Conquest here. That's, I think, disorienting to ask people to track that many points of Hungarian history

simultaneously. I do think Egonz Conquest would be a great movie and better probably as a movie than a show. The reason why I just raised an eyebrow when I saw this story come out was obviously a lot of panic going on about what this merger means for jobs and Hollywood, et cetera,

and like the content pipeline.

“But I think also there's like some sweat, like some well-earned sweat going on about”

like what happens to some of the franchises and some of the IP that belonged to Warner Brothers and then being transferred over to Paramount. This to me was like, be cool, it's still, it's still in the works and like maybe this will be like a big thing that, you know, skydens paramount throws itself behind.

I personally, as somebody who's just a glass half full guy, always.

Yeah. Taylor Sheridan, Georgia or Martin Sheridan University, West Rose, Sorcario. Let's go. Fucking, let's get. You have my attention.

Jeffrey Donovan from Sorcario. John, tact vests and big glasses, this sounds inc, I would love for these things to just start collapsing into each other. That was my favorite, my favorite never made, but intended to be made sequel, which was which was 24 jump street men in black for work.

Yes, great. Which was that those two things would collide with each other. And now there's scripts that got to like, all the way up to like the main, the last desk it needed to clear and they were like, no. What are we doing?

Yeah. But I love that conceptually. But it really is like, you know, these are worlds that I'm genuinely like, what is about to happen inside of Harry Potter, inside of this, inside, yeah, actually. You're talking about in regards to this specific merger, but I think that is like, we're

having that conversation in terms of what's going on with Star Wars. What does Star Wars looks like, look like right now, you know, Mandalorian and Grogu Trailer question. Yes. He has been pushed and has refused to budge.

He's not going to see them moving. Sorry for having me. I'm not going to see them. Which I think, yeah. That's interesting.

It's just principles. Principles. And what are those principles? What are those principles? What are those principles?

Principles is when you're like, I'm not going to go watch this volume. This is good. He's not only his principles are, he's just telling us what a principle is conceptually.

Here's what I thought about.

I thought about tripling down and being like, no more Star Wars after Andorids. It's over. That's not the way. This is, this is toxic. It's toxic, but I will agree in the sense that in a world in which, see, are you

have continued? Well, no, actually, you've let up a little bit on one of your other principles, which was no animation. Yes. I have softened.

You have softened for animation, and I will say Star Wars animation is what you're talking about. Wonderful. With Andor-excepted, some of the best Star Wars of the last 25 years is in animation form full stop.

And I'm, I worry about the next round of stuff as much as everybody. I'm also lamenting the loss of the Damon Lindelof, Le Keith Stanfields starring Jedi stories. Where is that? Give me that.

And so all of these worlds that we love, bully of my nervous about what's about to happen to all. There's also this funny thing that's happening.

“And I imagine you must feel this because you're, you're kind of like, trying to watch”

these stories develop over the course of years when you're doing House of War. Where like, I feel like maybe some of these franchises that we identify so deeply with are not appealing to younger people, and that they're like, for me, it's super Mario Brothers, and I know that that's like, we're like, some of the stuff where you're like, oh man,

where it's like, we're still like, no, there's another way to do Star Wars, man. We can do one more thing. Why can't there be myriad ways? Why can't there be Star Wars content that is for younger people? This is why I said his, I'm stopping Star Wars after Andorthake is toxic, but for that exact

reason, the thing that allowed us to get the brilliance and unrivaled excellence of

Andor on the first place, of course is Tony Gilroy's genius, a real clear vision, et cetera,

but it was like, we're going to do something that is specifically utterly itself. Yes. So then if everybody else is like the only good Star Wars is Andor, or I want to try to make Andor, then everything is going to be ubiquitous, and sure me and diluted and bad. And I think the other thing is we can't just be doing fan service for the fans who are,

like, listen, I, nobody should be really listening to me. Star Wars shouldn't be for 53 year olds.

“No, I think you should be for everybody.”

I'm saying, but it should be aimed at a younger audience. It's a 53, but when I, if I do, you don't really like Star Wars. And I love it, and I watch all of it every, every scrap of it, you know, like I'm listening to the audio book, I'm listening, I'm all of it. I'm all in on Star Wars, but I'm not saying all Star Wars needs to be Andor, because Andor

is unquestionably a mature show, you know, there should be stuff that we should be like, oh, this is, you know, not for me, because it's aimed at a young audience, which is perfect. Right. You know, we need to be bringing, still people, bringing people in, but, we have a few colleagues and close friends who have young children who are falling in.

Getting a little, I think I'm thinking about it more in terms of length. And they just want Uncle Chris to take them to see Mandogrogo, and he says, fuck off. Yeah.

“What's the dream about what happened in the movie theater last year in 2025?”

Success of one battle centers and weapons, and people saying like original movies are back. These kinds of stories resonate with people, because it aren't rehashes of, you know, the same like three films over and over and over again. We can break out of these like templates that we have, and then on the flip side of that, a lot of box office success was rooted in things like minecraft, don't pretend.

No, I don't believe this for us, I'm sorry, I'm just a leftist and/or first, no, I'm just joking.

I will watch more stars, I just, no, no, I agree with you, because... Specifically, Mandogrogo, there's something wrong with this movie. It connects to the opening, hey, let's talk about the new cast of the night at the 7 Kingdom season 2 point, right? And it's like the part of the reason that that show was such like a joke for Game of Thrones fans, it's an animating experience of like, not just, is this good.

It is, does the show understand what it's trying to be? Yes, is the tone clear? Yes, is the sensibility established? Yes, you felt in real time, and it built week after week, people were excited, not only to consume it, but to share it with each other. So I see this cast list today for three of the main roles in the second season, and I am gravitated. Sure. I feel as alive as I have as a Thrones fan in years, because it's like,

these are excellent performers who are coming in to perform crucial roles for a moment in time.

Right? And it's going to be beautiful. It's six weeks, and I can't wait, and that's all we need,

“because I know what it is. And I think that this show, night at the Sam Kingdoms,”

is interesting and telling slice of life, short-form stories, you know? And that is something that larger IP-driven stuff, whether it's the MCU, whether it's all the Star Wars, whether it's, all that stuff are predominantly interested in stories that are too interwoven with the rest of their stories, and it has become unwielding. Unless you are, this is the success of Wonder Man's to me. Yes, it's just like Wonder Man should just be like a mod for Marvel going forward,

and instead it's going to be an anomaly I would imagine. Well, it wouldn't be great for some, if they could figure out both. If they could figure it out, so that it wasn't feast or famine, so that it wasn't one or the other, that they're servicing a larger comics does this. Comics can do storytelling where you are following an issue to issue storyline in Daredevil that is about Hell's Kitchen, and one of one law case that he's pursuing. But then, yes, he is part of a larger

event that's happening, that includes Dr. Strange and Spider-Man and team ups and all the rest. How can you figure out how to tell grounded, street-level stories while that, like Wonder Man, that feels like a cohesive whole, but that doesn't concern itself with multi-verse or what's low key up to or any other nonsense? What if we put Trevor Slatterian everything? By the way, and just let them do the Shakespeare monologue all the time, I loved it.

You know, and I think also there's a little bit of, uh, you can get rid of your computer. Now I'm going to get rid of mine. I don't need it. I don't need it. I don't need it. You're my champion for people in this show.

Andy, you can. Well, one of the two is one of my favorite people. Yeah. Who I love it.

Who would that would just compete? Yes. All right, I want to get to Shorazina's second. I do

“want to say one more thing about Star Wars. Here's the thing. Okay. There is a issue with that”

franchise that I think is like a little bit of, uh, too big to succeed. So they are now operating to succeed. Because they're operating in a margin where they're like it costs X amount to make one of these things, and so it needs to be Y amount of a success for it to be worth it. And so the reason why I almost feel like Charlie Brown with the football with some of this stuff is that when they first started talking about Canobi, it was the guy who would drive and it was supposed to be Ben Canobi like noir to test

Jedi detective. Yeah. Accolade clearly went through some kind of like transformation in its from its inception to its actual release. Like they have messed with this stuff for the most part. And the reason why Andorra is Andorra for a hundred reasons is because they almost wrote it where it's like you can't do anything to this. Like you can have Vader walk across the screen if you want, but for the most part, this thing is like so it's like a watch. Like you wouldn't be able to do

anything with the gears and the hands, you know what I mean. I also think they they trapped themselves in a in a process that did not reward building a new like thing. Like they from the foundation built something weak, you know, without a without a plan looking ahead with just kind of freestyling movie to movie for that first trilogy. Yeah. If you say there was one fatal flaw inside of the machine and that if you just like put the shield up, you just don't put the shield away.

But though you put the engine in the device away and just trust it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I would say like the thing that they didn't do with all of Star Wars and that boy do I hopeful only will remedy it is is exactly the advice that Shorzi would give them. Go out kill some guys.

“Or some goals, score some goals. Make sure they never forget who you are. Yeah,”

never let them forget who you are. Who are we? Let's talk about this side very blue variable. Yes.

So for casuals who are just along for the ride for a few minutes here, let me talk a little bit about Shorzi broadly. This is a now long running Canadian sports comedy from Jericho who previously had done the incredibly long running letter Kenny, which is a 10 seasons Canadian slice of life comedy. When Jericho first started Shorzi, it was in creative tandem somewhat with Jacob Tierney who has since gone on to great acclaim for his writing and directing work on heater rivalry,

where he makes one of the most assured TV series in recent memory. Oh, and one of the most explosive in every way. Jared, so he writes every episode I believe is credit it's Kiso. I think

“there might be no there's some not there I think there's a couple of other. But he did every episode”

this season. I think so. And the first computer open you can check. And Shorzi is a character in letter Kenny. For many seasons in letter Kenny, Shorzi is an unseen character that Jared Kiso plays. Okay. So Kiso plays Shorzi in the show, Shorzi that we watch, but he plays Wayne on letter Kenny, one of the leads. Right. But invent this side character who's a hockey player who's constantly

taunting other hockey players, but it's always from like a bathroom stall or a shower. Right.

Which he's in the first season visually obvious. Yes. The first three seasons are Shorzi are a century a cycle about a semi-pro senior league hockey team in Sudbury. Come rise from the start calling it, Burberry and honor of the great one. That's Kiko called it Burberry instead of Sudbury. Really funny. I got to try all of it. Shout out to everybody writing into the watch, mailbox, the watch is Spotify.com because a lot of insight into how Canadians are feeling about

Wayne Gretsky, the great one these days. Oh, really. Thanks. So mixed. I'm curious. I think that his. Is there or is there news or is this always? No, it's just I think Wayne's gone out of his way to associate himself with our president here in the United States of America. I didn't know. And our president has talked a lot about colonizing Canada. Oh, no. I made a 51st state joke at how did this get made show in Vancouver and they were not into it. Yeah.

They were not into it and boot me for quite a lot because of the joke or because of the idea

that they wouldn't even entertain the joke of it. They shut it down. So that came up. But you know,

“and then so they do the first three seasons. I think of flawless three season run, which isn't”

to say there are really any flaws with four and five. It's just a different show. It's now about a post playing career for a titular character. The fourth season, I thought was lovely Jason and I talked about it a lot. Yeah, sure. That fourth season was a blast because it's like the show has so few moves to make in terms of these people and where they are. And it's constantly calibrating and recalibrating them in context of the game, the league, and each other in a

wonderful way. But the fourth season did two incredible things, which was it introduced a series of

young people that that our team became the kind of mentors to the teenagers. Yes. And the entire fourth season took place off season. Yes. So it was about summer and sudvagus. Yes. It was all about summer break. And so the vibes were so different. And what, and it was such a refreshing way to tell Shoresy stories. Yes. And plus the love story between Shoresy and Laura is incredible in that season. Yes. Which takes another step this season. So go ahead. Which is why I was shocked when we did

our season for wrap-up that you were insistent on not having mal. You know, you know, it's it's seen because I was like she's right there. That's like the winter. I don't remember why I didn't have you on. It might not have been a concerted effort or you may have been projecting a lot of stress

at that moment. That would be a never-shocking. But you're gonna have to do that. It doesn't

look now. I'm gonna lay out for you here. Tell me about your relationship to Shoresy. Yeah, learn about it from you guys. So that's nice because I cherish things that I get to share with you even if you don't feel so bad yet. I will cry today as I cry during every season of Shoresy all the time. A couple of moments this season hit me so hard. I was sobbing like a baby. I love

“this show. It took me as I think it takes some people maybe like two, it's, you know, each season”

is six episodes. There's somewhere between 18 to like 27 minutes. And it took me probably like three episodes into the first season to get acclimated, right? To the tone, to the pace, to the nature of the dialogue, to the fact that every like fourth or fifth line is a repeated line of dialogue or an in joke. The rhythm and language of the show. Once I had a feel for that, I thought I was experiencing the most magical. I love sports, right? It's a great sports story. It is a story about community.

It is for the young characters and the old characters alike, eternally a coming of age, story, and a story about identity and sense of self. And I think it is a beautiful friendship and relationships story. And found family stories in that regard. Absolutely. Yes. And so the ability, right through the micro and macro community, the community of the team, a line inside of the team, and then Sudbury at large, also then like one of the genius strokes in this season.

Well, okay, you had something like the, um, the hunt, right? The US team in prior season is a real like real thorn in the side, rival. And now it's like, well, we got to bring. Sure. Yeah, love him.

I'm all more deleney. This is a real team off. Yeah. Echoes. They never used to surprise us. And it's

“always so hilariously side splittingly funny. And I think so tender and moving. And it's been like”

profound. In a way that I am consistently shocked, you know, because letter canning is wonderful. And has so much of all of the components that you're talking about with the possible exception that it doesn't have nearly the heart that Shores has. Sure. So letter canning is phenomenal. And is truly one of the funniest shows out there in my opinion was just pound for pound a joke machine. And Shores, although, has so much of that stuff and so many repeated jokes exactly what you're

talking about building out the community. That's a big thing in letter canning. But Shores, he has this forward moving plot. Letter canny is weak to weak. You can watch it out of order. It wouldn't matter none of its cumulative. Right. Shoresy is a narrative story that has edits root an absolute heartbreaking story every season. Yes, every season. There's something that's going on that will break your heart positively negatively. Everybody is emotionally invested in a way that you are like,

how do I have such access to these hockey players' emotions? And then I think it's really like not to jump straight to the end of this whole season. But net's lecture to the church women about why the hockey play, why they're wrong about hockey players. Yeah. And the culture is incredible.

listening even after we've gotten into this conversation and are still looking for a reason to watch, you could watch five and not know, you could still on five. And I certainly could kind of

“begging Andy on to watch the first episode of five. Because in many ways, I think the first episode of”

five is a perfect piece of television. And Masterpiece. If I had to tell somebody like, what's the Shoresy do well? I'd be like, watch these three acts of television and tell me another show that's able to do the three things that this one does in one place. That being said,

that episode and so many of those scenes hit so much harder. If you know that net has basically

even doing that same speech since season one. Yeah. She has been like making the same kind of appeal to the larger community about the importance that sports plays in keeping a sense of like continuity and togetherness in a place a lot. And that's the thing is like we talk about it as a comedy, as a drama, as a sports show. I think it's also like, when I was watching it this last season, I was like, this is a show about Utopia. Because these guys are always like,

nobody has like a hard life in this show, like hard hard. Like they are at strip clubs and hanging out of bars and getting the second 10 season was so heavily focused on that Sudbury has, the strip club

has reopened. Yes. Finally. Because in there has never been a strip club in a previous season.

I don't think. I don't think. Or if it does, it's very fleeting. I don't have lots of night clubs. Yes. It's like, but not necessarily a strip club is so foregrounded and it's important. It's so so hilarious. And how often they are inside of and telling very sweet and having very emotional moment inside the strip. Yes. It's really, very funny. And I've had like experiences like that and a strip club. No, no, I just need an account. How much score is funny money? Do you have

in your wallet right now? Do you know it scores? Scores was like pretty big when I was in New York.

“Like it was like, same. That's why I have that's my street book reference. I never went to scores.”

I don't think it exists anymore. I definitely get Atlantic city place and they play Juol Centana. And I was like, this is pretty awesome. Yeah. Were you there with Delaney? No, it was a party. Getting lapsed. Getting lapsed. Getting lapsed. I had, I had a point. But anyway, it's a depiction of you. Yeah. Yeah. I think everything you said was so beautiful just now. I would like you to say it all again. But on this table posed like hitch forward. Yeah. That's a blanket around you in

a laptop in front of me. It's you're so right because it is inside of that first episode is everything.

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afraid to view off course every now and then. Because if you don't do it now, then when, learn more at vw.com. For now on spoilers for seasons five and spoilers, pretty much for the entirety of Shorazikis will probably reference things. This first season opens up with, and I don't really have a roadmap for how I want to talk about this. I thought we could just enjoy ourselves. The first episode of the season five opens with a group of these guys who I guess are living together.

I didn't really process that in two of the seasons. But they are all living in a Shorazik and Big Sexies apartment apartment apartment. And are all simultaneously masturbating. Shorazik comes home and is like, "Do you guys want to go get beers?" And everybody is not in everybody's in their rooms. And as he goes into each one of their rooms without knocking, each one of them is masturbating. And they're own unique ways. And they're own unique ways.

“Yes. What did this, what kind of insight does this give you into the mail mindset?”

That was a poet, right? Yeah. And it was artists. I thought this was possibly the best scene in television history. It's so funny. And it's like so true. Okay. Which part struck you as most true? I think it's totally true to the most. It's not at all fours. I think it is so true that guys... Goodie, like my buddy put the laptop on. He's a big game right here. Why didn't let him come up? Guys are up to stuff that they think is what everybody else is doing. Okay.

There I think guys are doing stuff. Guys figure stuff out as kids. Yeah. That they just maintain. And think this is what everybody has figured out. This is how everybody does this. Right.

we sure see what's in on hitch and it's like, "What are you doing?" Yeah. And hitch is on all fours with a blanket

“over him. Like he's like snuffle off against or something. I was like, "What's happening?" It was”

perfect. And the just the absolute easier. What do you think I'm doing? Yeah. And which one of them is trying to try on horse hitch? Oh yeah. Because he has a little speech about how you can't watch porn because then you can't do it really. Yeah. Yeah. And then Dolowe is in the shower also jerking off. And sure he's like, "Do you have a laptop?" And there he's like, "Speak, bank!" Yeah. So Dolowe's going off memory. Great stuff. Hitch is masturbating to try on shopping. We'll try on shopping. We'll try out

of it. But if you look at me a number, I have clothes captioning on it all the time. But it took me a while to figure out he was saying, "Try on horse." I thought it was house at first. I found it because Hitch's accent is so nuts. Oh boy. And so it's even funnier because you're so that when I realized he was saying, "Try on horse." I was like, "This is incredible." So the guys go out and get beers after this is set. We get beers. It's like a eight minute scene

that is like to your point about like the repetitive nature of the jokes and the jokes building. And then they'll deflate for a second. We're like, "I'm doing this again." And then it'll be like,

"Man in time, you find those new climax and then you deflate." But I always think about the

word. The refractory period for the jokes can be minutes and sometimes up as a clock. We'll feral falling through the floor in Austin Powers. And that joke goes on for so long that it gets so much more funny once it gets the master show of fimbals. Yes. Yes. They then are like, let's go get beers. They go out and get beers and get a ride from one of the milks that I believe they slept with last season. No, Jill has wanted to sleep with you. Jill has wanted the

“shardly stare and look alike. Who has been like, you know, a shorthy, you should teach the”

youth and shorthy if you just come in the back. And then he's like, "I'm going to leave. I'm going to get Lara." So she's been trying to cook up a shorthy, including in this episode, which is kind of just deciding, like, "I'm trying to get a go home. Yeah, turn the heat on. Or am I going to have someone there to keep you around?" And then of course building toward the three-some plot, which was a stroke of absolute freedom. Absolutely genius. They go to one of

the kids from the previous season. Jack is in a youth hockey at National Youth hockey team now. Where's he playing, like, I don't know, 90 minutes away. Somewhere. And they go in your, like, "This is great. This is so funny. These guys are drinking beers. These guys are hanging out." Now it's going to be shorthy in his boys at a youth hockey game. This is going to be hilarious. And it's really sweet because they're going to support one of the kids we met last season,

which is bloody, bloody, and they're told in the car that this kid has been having a little bit of trouble, but they don't really get into it. It's not shorthy in the guys show up. They're

in the hallway. They talk to the kids' coach for a second. They know who he is. There's some debate

about the right way to play hockey, et cetera. And then Jack comes out from the locker room to see shorthy. And you're like, "This is cool. This is whatever." And they all are like, "Jack, jack, jack." And he gets pulled away by shorthy. And as you can see, as he's walking on the hall, Jack's crying. And he's just like uncontrollably overwhelmed emotionally and starts to cry. And it's almost any other iteration of a television show like this. Shorthy turns

that into a joke and it becomes like a huge, like, "I don't get you, young kids, and how you have emotions." And like, your Gen Z millennial wokeness or whatever. And instead, Shorthy's just like, let it out. Yeah, puts his arm around. He's like, "You already started, so let's finish it, get it out." And he's covering for him. And he makes sure he can't see it. And nobody can see it.

And he's just like, "What's the problem?" And he's like, "You know, I want to go home."

“And he's like, "None of your friends are at home. If you want to go home for, and they have this”

long conversation." And it is so beautiful and so amazingly well done. And you know, you just keystone is like, obviously a polymath talent. Like, I have no doubt that he can do all this different stuff. But she's, and I didn't expect like, he's get hit that hard in me. His livability, this shows ability, his ability specifically. And he, it happens in Lettercanny, just not as frequently, to turn from something that is just outright absurdly hilarious of like looking at each of the

guys jerking off, comparing Jericho. Yeah, come over here, look at him, Jericho. You got to see this guy's up to building, building, building, heightening this joke. And then cutting to directly from that into this incredibly emotionally available and a sweet moment between him and Jack that then is the spine of the rest of the show. You know, like, Jack coming back after each

quarter to and and Shoresy basically outlining, this is what you're going to do. First things first,

you're going to end then. Yes. Once again, in microcosm, he sets up how Jack is going to get

the rest of the season for them. And this was the first thing he texted me about the season. It was

did you, like, how much did you cry? Yeah. When he put it and I was so touched and so moved because it's the perfect short cut to unlocking everything about the show on the characters. This is

“like kind of the case for why you shouldn't just start with season five or any you should just”

start at the beginning because it is, like, two-year-old, he could have, like, mocked them and ribbed them. That is where we started with the blueberry buddies with the helicopter ring and the toxic masks. Also he's like, he's like, riffing youth hockey games and just talking about it. He's actually, like, that's how Shoresy started with just as an antagonist to the young people in letter can play the Korean Korean land, exactly. And so you have, you have that. It's like the factory,

the building from that and, like, toward the end of last season, we moved into this really, like, emotionally resonant place with the karaoke with Jack's pursuit of Maria and how that mapped onto Shoresy's relationship with Laura and the reading of the note, which I remember you guys talking about and the pot, I hearted that hit you. But it's not just inside of their relationship and how that tells us that Shoresy, who we've seen cry in every episode of the show, probably.

He's always a free cryer even when he's a dick. We're on the part to journey of the show,

“which is not him being a leader and a coach. So you have to actually believe that he could”

unite all of these people under his direction and that they would say and the number of people we heard, you should coach. And he had to decide, like, this is why I want to put my love. And then you see what that means to him and why he's good at it. So authentically. And it's beautiful. Yeah, I thought it was incredible. And there is, you watch him have to, at the end of the last season, he is forced to and you watch him have to give up playing. And all that that means to him. And

this season, I think what one of the things we learn is his reluctance to coach or what's a little bit holding him back is that for him, that's his brother. Yeah. And so new character for this season is most who is sure is he's brother, sure is he's big brother. And that was those moments give you such insight into sure is he when you realize like how much he's like that's one of the moments that I cried is like when when he sure is going around and saying who are you who are you in the locker room

to everybody who are you and everybody's defining themselves. This is who I am. This is why I'm in. They said he says who and he says I'm sure is he's big brother. And I was like, yeah. So it's like that to me also was like oh put Shorsey inside of a family dynamic that I didn't

“really know. I think that's another great example of how the show has always had a lot of heart,”

but the emotional half has expanded because earlier insights which were very brief in prior seasons into Shorsey's history is like he was adopted and what did that mean like learning that he was called like waffle as a kid and stuff like that. It was all like it was joke-based and there's still a lot of humor here, but this is the first time that we've understood that he can't like talk about what his brother meant to him without breaking it. Yeah, I thought that we had not

access his ear for him to coach a kid through their emotions and it is for him to deal with his own. You know that kind of comes up and again in the second episode and I'll just finish the first episode dissection we're not going to go through every episode of this level. I mean we could if we wanted to talk about every episode. I just thought that the third act of this episode which is essentially like he's kind of talked Jack into going back out and playing and the show just hockey really well

and they do they photograph sports really well and I think that it's the most legible kind of like execution of of a game on TV right now when you're watching it, but what they choose to do is shorsy every period of a game that Jack is playing gives Jack an a lesson, an idea to follow like first you've got a simple goal. So if you kill, if you feel like you're not having a good time and your game isn't is not firing what you got to do is you got to fucking kill some guys.

Yes. So the first bill goes and he comes back and he's like yeah he killed some guys and now what are you going to do? You're in a score goal and he goes out and he scores a goal and then he's like

what are you going to do in the third period? You're going to make sure they always remember who you

never remember. Never like them forget who you are and the fact that they do that in those like three mini scenes within one scene without ever showing Jack playing without ever showing shorsy going back to the crowd it's just like they meet up in the hallway behind the ice and they go their separate ways and they do it three times is their joke style applied to drama. Yes. Which is awesome. Oh yeah. Yeah. And it's so rewarding because that stuff all of those

component pieces then become the structure for them versus the EU teams. Yes. You know and you hear when Jack and the rest of the blueberry buddies are on the sidelines. They send Carter and Kaila

Jack has has internalized shorsy's teaching which shorsy has now told us was his brother's teaching that his brother had a way of simplifying things for him so that it's not shorsy is good at this. It is mo is good at this and shorsy is just telling us mo there's an episode of I don't

think either of you watch it but there's an incredible episode of Frihrin beyond journey.

I'm about to start this. Remember the great of the show on TV full stop. And you are going Frihrin's like Kaila some guys. We'll know they're this incredible episode where they go Frihrin travels with two other people, two young people. She's like in a mortal elf and she travels with two humans and they're kind of of the same age and they have like a kind of will they won't they dynamic and some Furn and Stark and they are going

to go on a date and Stark asks Frihrin what where should I take Furn on this date and Frihrin

“walks him to a marketplace you should take her to look at this you should take her to look at that”

this and at the end of this whole sequence he says wow you really know Furn well and she's like I don't these are all the things that Highter the her father figure told me about Furn and it's this

wonderful moment where you realize Frihrin is is an incredible maternal figure to these young

people but that for her it takes she has such trouble learning about people really that she's in her she's taken what Highter told her and has just expanded on it and it's this beautiful moment in what is unquestionably the most beautiful show visually and what she has seen it's on oh it's on I'm watching it on crunchy roll yeah it's they have it on Netflix the first season on Netflix at least it's all over the place like I asked you a channel it's on channel 56 it's like you got

a rabbit in the middle just keep antenna I okay I hope the sequence also more said that's kind of the

“emotional core but like we get little things set up that are really crucial like the dive you know”

oh you can't hit anybody yeah you don't want to hurt your team because you get a penalty so this set up for the big speech we're gonna hear shores he make at brod dude in the second episode and then the backdrop of what we hear from Teppo the he's got iconic I got a million character Kyle the character just incredible stuff but also there's the conversation with Cunningham the coach that team who is like as we learn a three-time coach the year so sort of a poster boy for

what a coach should be in his more new schools like wearing a cool three exactly but he's also like talking about the kids like you got to treat him like dogs yeah that's not how Shorsey is focusing on this at all and that discussion they have about would the how would you rather win or lose honorably or dishonorably which ends up being this thing that almost like Shorsey has absorbed via osmosis and it is this thing that comes back at the finale and this big

“where he's like I had an epiphany like I have clarity about what matters to me well with so clear”

is that and has always been clear is that Shorsey plays dirty you know and that proudly plays dirty

well the episode almost begins with like this dream that he's having of just playing his entire team of guys by like hitting them in the ankles with his hockey stick just flashing he's just like a absolute beast on the ice yeah and so this idea of like honor is introduced this season which is like incredible and for him to try and figure out like how to is it to lose honorably or to win dishonorably is a great yeah I thought that this was a season that was almost way more about like an idea

than it was about a story like the story is good it's somewhat reminiscent of earlier seasons it's about a traveling EU all-star team European Union all-star team which is you know kind of funny like in the world kind of political chessboard I it's funny to watch like the evil EU come in here like yeah I get to give some other guys a removal and then the sort of vanishing identity of Canadian and North American hockey culture and how it needs to be reestablished in order to defend their

turf because these EU team is just burning down the fucking building everywhere they go yeah I think this is exactly what you're saying about it's it's more about an idea and almost something not even philosophical like existential soul deep right because this I love structurally and I think the way that the show adapts season over season real continuity but slight tweaks that make it feel much bigger and broader and wider and more sweeping like we're going wider and deeper

Sudbury Blueberry Bulldogs folding inside of the existing notion was the crisis and now sure she walks in and that's like the snow it's gone yeah it's just gone so we think this season is going to be about watching him coach the Bulldogs there and the team doesn't just cause the league doesn't it's kind of cool because like it for as much as I'm like oh it's this utopia and like these guys don't have financial problems and they just sort of jerk off and go get beers and

stuff like that it's fascinating when the outside world shows like how they feel about this

scenario because like there's a basketball team that basically moves in the very five the arena

over night and immediately like redows the locker room it's great they do that and not only them but they seem to be successful yes what what we're being told in the story of the show is that senior whale shit hockey is unsustainable and so all these teams in their greater league have

“folded except for the Bulldogs and like one other team I remember and so there is no longer there's”

no not enough interest they don't it's too expensive to have the ice up so they don't they lose their ice time yeah all of these things that before them to then put them on a stage which is oh your playing world wide players you it's not even like another team from you know you come back you're playing like you professional players but then to take it out of their thing that my favorite move of this whole season was to put the game outside yes that's in chills

made me I was like this is incredible yeah you know first see the and you see the boards of the

outdoor part and blood yeah from the psycho church but that's another example of like you know the the women from the church who host the the final match yeah and they're take on hockey and hockey players is like you can never trust them this always happens when we had the beer league church league that was guys where it's like they were psychos and you would have to have the cops here every time and it took a little bit more about like how hockey is being viewed by the modern Canadian person

“and then you know like in a changing world well and that's what the whole dynamic the comparison”

between the EU and the North American play is that the Europeans played a much more graceful game like sure these um sure sees monologue on brodo boy I mean like better monologues of the year shorsy on brodo talking about uh North American hockey versus Canadian hockey or um uh Billy Bob Thorton in land and talking about the view I mean it's really hard to call it yeah it's talking about sickness dicken and I'm like oh there you go you know and now we if we do get a like I guess that

wouldn't work because Hulu does shorsy but if shorsy were somehow brought into the paramount universe

wouldn't that be amazing yeah we could put Angela in game of thrones well why can't uh

anxly become the bulldogs physical therapist I love this yeah absolutely I would watch yeah I would watch um there's a way in which so there there's this whole thing but that that he's talking about the North American style of play is dying it's dead yeah and and the EU's coming over here and they're beating us at our own game basically and there is like no sense of pride and that's what it's all about and I want to be clear this is my camera yeah I don't like sports

now I know that I'm not allowed to say that here on a ringer show but it seems like you really wanted to get that off your chest and don't direct support I don't follow sports I'm not I don't I'm naughty sporto but I am obsessed with this you know like I love this show and and so like I I'm saying that for the people who are like I've heard about this show but I don't like hockey yeah I don't like sports I'm not for me I could very easily see people thinking it's not for them but

“it is I don't know many things many sports TV shows or movies that I think would deeply”

satisfy people have no interest in the sport and who or more obsessed with everyone that I would say that fits the bill is Friday night lights yeah I think works for everybody yes you know for many of the same reasons even football fans like we'll be like with the football and Friday at places like yeah I've got some notes on skim yeah yeah ponderance of Hail Mary's that Sarah sing for sure no question um okay so we have the EU plot line that goes through the second season

we could talk about tempo mochi what a character oh figure great character overrated sure is he basically puts together a team of the no show all stars yes it's an enemy's to love her story yes used to be the rivals and they are united in a common goal which is the the restoration of

that you loved that you fell in love with the thing in the first place is that core germ of it

“in your relationship to it like do it there and it felt so it feels so much more local and real and”

street level to be like we're at this outdoor rink everybody's in everybody looks cold everything looks like it's brutal they're shoveling up the bloodflime she's a good but the montage essentially and there's maybe a montage or two too many this season but like the montage of them putting together the no show all stars yeah and the fucking freezer twins on zoom killed me so funny like the freezer twins bit i don't know what the limit is of like how long i could watch a freezer twin

scene oh yeah but it might be like two hours well i love that one of them is just absent for part of

like a whole scene it's just taking a bit i mean like it's like and that's the thing the show is what you like i got my cousins but yeah yeah and then don't worry it's gonna be sooner and

“he's like how soon survivors the freeze and later when they're talking on Mercedes it's like”

i fucked the fridge twins yeah she thinks they called the fridge boys or whatever for Michael she's like i was wondering why they were here oh i so we get the freezer twins we get sure uh we get uh the Italian guy's Sylvester and the the repetition of put a hockey stick in my hand and I become a totally different person and that at least four different people say that exact same line in regards to just stuff leave Sylvester is the guy from the 98 get but darts fucking

number off your back and then my favorite of of all of them is Delaney who is the co-kids stripper addicts that is also like a dynamite goal score and needs to go through basically a trial of the seven to get himself back on the team after he shows up late one time right like or he's just getting she's just getting lapis he's just they think he's not but he's not that he's supposed to be club size yeah that's supposed to be a team building and Delaney's getting lapis he's like

these lapis are incredible shows up later with the two strippers because he hadn't been

a locker so it's the break them to locker then the phone is ringing yeah it's so good it's so good

“because it really is again it's so easy I think get access to a young person's sports story you know”

like young people and what it means to be striving for this thing it's such a magic trick to make you care about guys in their forties and fifties and their attempts yes so win a sports game that means so clearly so much to them but that you understand contextually like is preposterous in the life of people to say you know I love when they're talking about because sure's he is learning isn't the tracksuit also a grander current bit in the slag Jesus yeah this is very like you know

are we going to be able to get these guys to unite towards this comical and do this thing and he's like they'd walk and then you see immediately the every single one of them that's true they're quitting their job sure is under sync doing a plumbing repair like yeah Palmer shopping woods lies at the restaurant they're just like I need to know literally nothing yes I'm sure then that this is happening and I need to be a part of it gorgeous guard yeah also there the gyms are back

possibly my favorites yes my favorite subtle return joke to something from a prior season was good after slice as something's not supposed to and sure she's trying to figure out who in the locker himself said it one of the gyms reveals that it was lie and then good he's like jams are tabloids are tabloids they've done that before was your favorite character like do you guys have a power and can you who do you I mean obviously the show doesn't function

with our shores eat but like but from from everybody else so like I have like a real profound love for it let me too yeah and and one of them maybe the moment that I cried the most or the hardest that got me the deepest was when shores he makes hitch uh captain I was a wreck and hitch starts to try to talk but starts to cry and they all jump on him immediately jump on him and hug him and I was like moved by that moment because there is an element of the show that is definitely

about these men who are truly unable to understand their emotions in almost every way none of them have successful relationships except for now in these later two seasons sure is these sort of you

of last year for sure is he to get to a relationship you know and I feel like watching these men

grapple with like just emotionality is moving you know and sports allows them to exercise or exercise those feelings love and then he the payoff of when they're all going around who are you another quiet genius touch by the way the the whiteboard behind them everybody is what we saw the end of the panel I out chill yes it's like you know all the all the episodes where we've seen the line up red I do miss saying when that of course it's like say you're going say you're talking

to him like we're saying like I wonder if he's on another show I mean I mean to look it up before I mean obviously it's to answer a dress the fact that he's not there but it's like keeping them in the mix so we could come back but then when everyone's doing who are you and she's answering you know I would like Jesse Bloom to return to industry he has she's answer is

“captain of the ship yeah yeah the most important as my identity that honor I think my two”

favorite characters that are non-shorsey department would probably be Zeeke uh yeah just because Zeeke and Shorsey do the same thing every year which is for five episodes they say the worst possible things that they you could think of to another person and then there's like one

incredible moment of tenderness in the last episode and you're just like I'm just fucking sold

the dancing this up this isn't really great and then oh I was going to say Jory oh Jory Jordan yeah I would be proud of it because I would watch the sports apart every week I was like content it could be just a minute to build in a way that he wouldn't just start walking away in the middle of the conversation I would be like Jory should be a podcast on the ring oh and it's just like Jory interviewing wow yeah like content before you know

“that's the kind of thing that I think and I don't even know who or what that was but uh like”

I think because I was watching at this time and I was like oh it would be funny if they put out just material that was five minutes Jory talking about a spell that would be a christen bell yeah he's just a junkie guy I really got a kick out of the vlogs into sucking hogs yeah that was a good one turn to phrase I love goodie so what are some of the like kind of tertiary plot lines from the season that you found interesting like there's a little bit of a thorse map so there's the suresy's

kind of burgeoning media career yeah that is acting as spokesperson for the Canadian wave hockey but also like you know on it obviously wants me to be on bro dude there's this weird I wouldn't say weird but there's like this gretsky episode where it's like a lot of it is like suresy's about to start crying his gretsky and he are gonna do it at tv episode together and then it's just like a face time call is there anyone you guys would say to like you could shut an elevator door on my nuts and it would

be fine as suresy said to gretsky anyone you feel that way and I love and because it's that party if somebody will do it I do it I do it you know you told us you would we believe you we didn't put this on you you brought this to the table my guy what about you proverbial nuts proverbial uh boy and it can't be fictional ask to be real person yeah I can't be like oh John Snow I love you yeah I was gonna say ghosts the dire will you know I have to be real person

in the mix the only people I really care about are you guys oh you know and we would never do that

“ever no um I think it would be RIP Anthony Bourdain oh cheese well you got me there I would”

absolutely let Bourdain close an elevator door on my nuts happily happily so thanks for coming on the watch so we have the gretsky thing in episode two what I loved about the gretsky thing is it clearly is so meaningful to him and I feel like the show is setting you up for this kind of like it's a rug bowl oh at the very last minute gretsky's not coming and um Anika and the producer are pissed yes and and they're they're like really being nasty bug gretsky it's a bullshit move it's

amateur for him to cancel they're pissed off and sure is he just goes into the most beautiful yeah he's like can you believe he even thought that he was going to be here is the best moment of my life that and he his monologue then is so good and then not just that moment where he yeah I think you know what I think I think you know what is it the mute gretsky when the game he he just starts going on

transactional moment that he has almost on TV with gretsky and then he gets to face time with gretsky

“for I don't know half a minute or something you see him have a little bit of a chat with gretsky”

and then he dines out on that positively for the entire season for the whole season he uses it to work because he's like he wants to have he wants us to show like like gretsky said he's why are you just going to show he's watching give me something to watch this and he also that's when he says the thing about like you know the hockey like the hockey community we've got to show the specs we stick up for each other did you think we were just saying that yeah I love that moment

in that line in that idea and it's basically that's a trampoline that allows us to get the

Nat speech at the end. I like not just saying it's worth noting people listening to this priority know this but strangely enough out of this TV show has emerged this burgeoning live event vertical of Shorzi where they are essentially going around North America playing inspired X, NHL stars we had chance to go see them in LA we were looking for a hockey gamer fucking life wonderful first of all there was definitely like six to 10,000 people there

oh why did you hire me that so sure many people there it was so funny to watch a hockey game we're short where everybody there is for there for Shorzi and they're playing the L.A. King X star L.A. L.A. and I felt like it was really funny because the L.A. kings were constantly being booed in their home house because everybody there was there for the Shorzi team which was must have been a very surreal experience. And there was like an element of just like also

watching these these guys actually play hockey you're just like an American TV show does not let Matt Saris and play against the Denver Brawl like all of you guys can't hockey experience. Yeah but even if you do or don't it's like the Shorzi taking a puck to the face would derail this television series for a year you know what I mean like they just write it into

“the plot. I think that as the show has gone on it has started to take on this like second”

life or another outside of the show it is now like a kind of lifestyle thing that is pretty interesting and I almost felt like this season reflected that well that is like the sort of ideals of hockey you can live beyond just hockey itself. Well and what a cool way to like build your audience hopefully is not to just like you know like a lot of people go out there shows want you to go out there and like promote somehow and do this or that but like for their for their promotion to just

be an exhibition a hockey game which is the thing that shows about not like the actors being like here's how we make let me tell you how we make the show. It is like oh how do you like to be inside the show. Yeah do you want to be inside of a Shorzi game? Here we are. The problem you don't or they didn't to pose any leaders in real life you know. Yeah so let's just think about more some other second. Oh I think one of the best and alluded to earlier is the

Jill proposition in Shorzi and Laura. Yeah because it plays out over a couple of episodes and

it is it really is this interesting because we almost like I said we almost never see relationships

addressed all the dynamics and relationships that we see in the show are between our teammates. Yes

“there aren't a chance of slept with these women that these guys were also with these guys. You have to”

pick. Exactly and it's none of them have like I looked and derives on a spoke. You know next thing I do. And then Brip picked Jim and he's like we should do something really amicable and loving it out. She's like let's go to the strip club. Yeah just on the other side of this bar. Really funny but so not only to get into for last season for Shorzi to really have to prove himself to Laura and we in her because she knows as does everybody hockey players can't be trusted in relationships.

Yeah you don't date sluts. You just take them down. Yeah. It's a great show to see in you just the safety. Oh it's a great show. Just quoting Canon. These are these this is the text of our time. Do you just be like

what do you want slut? Yeah. Oh my god. He wants it. Incredible. Yeah so you get a relationship. You

build or you build to a relationship at the end of last season. When he runs that marathon when he gets that when the letter is read and on this season as they're negotiating you know like the idea that you would tell me in season five of Shorzi like he's like these negotiating moving in with his girlfriend and like negotiating the dynamics of his relationship with her teenage

And this thing where Jill Propositions Laura and Shorzi and the way they talk it out and the way

“it gets talked out and this idea of like oh you talked to your friends about me how do you talk to”

your friends about that all of that stuff was because you talked about it earlier it is this is a coming of age story in many ways for middle-aged man not just for the kids the kids are just

when he gives the season of kids it was like well here's what it is in reality but this is

unquestionably what we're doing for these grown-ass men. Yes yeah and I guess you know not to be like can Shorzi do this but not like I do wonder whether or not a season of this show is functional without like a central hockey plot like of these guys they have against all odds are going to try this obviously like the emotional highs of this show are way higher when they are going for it in some way like that but you could tell me this show is going to go for another 13 seasons like

letter can he did and it winds up just being a slice of life of these guys banging around

“just so I'd bury without hockey because I think it would be harder only because and I think letter”

can he really works because you couldn't episode to episode do anything right Shorzi you really are tied to some forward moving narrative that is almost always inside of a sports story and how can you like I don't know does Shorzi work if next season is about Shorzi for the most part Laura and her son at home they're all like negotiating becoming a nuclear family and it's really about Shorzi acclimating to life at brodood as a commentator well this is what I don't think

it's nervous about in season four and then I was like oh no they're going to wear these pairs you

know what I mean like this is amazing what do you think do you think they have to always have

do they you think they have to keep coming up with you all start teams to play or something or start the real show and that's like the genius of it because I my heart stopped when I was like I caught up on the first three seasons before season four and when we got to the this is the end of Shorzi yeah part one I was like panic yeah what does that mean where are we going from here and then I remember the first trailer I if memory serves the first trailer for season four was just

tubing yeah and I was like what is happening but that's where I was like is this going to be letter Kenny is this going to be like these guys having funny conversation with the idea of the off season and weird Sudbury and like building toward the choice of like all season mounts toward weird Sudbury just to decide not to go because the blueberry buddies are more important than

that relationship is more substantial ultimately hockey was still the backdrop for all of that

so I don't know that it especially after a season like this which is a declaration of a soul bone

“deep connection to the proposition of hockey right I think that it has to be stitched into the fabric”

of the show what exactly does that look like and how do they keep to let like keep evolving I think she kept coming up with ways to have hit solo goodie playing hockey I think they definitely like they're like Jay Tango that as we said it's not on the show anymore JJ Frankie JJ's like not on the show and characters have come in and out of the universe of the show I don't I can't imagine Shorzi without Shorzi goodie hitch and solo that is difficult for me

or not see I'm just going to say I could see a world in which I will say there is a show that works that is a couple of the guys not and Z and the younger generation where the guys are coaching a team team sure you know that the the sports story maybe isn't for the adults it's for the younger generation and the adults are plugged into it well that maybe gets back to what you were just saying I work shopping that okay could it be the the new nuclear family with Laura

and her son like maybe it's it does he's hockey team the kid's hockey team become a part of the story at some point what's interesting is like I have also found the Shorzi Laura Moore this is the summer I close on Laura Moore thing to be very genuinely surprising in its longevity and how gripping I found it because initially my relationship to the core dynamics of the show is that the OTP the the true love story of the show to me is Shorzi and that right without question right

I don't even mean that wrong it's like these are two that is that is the steepest it's right they they have a fully shared point of view they are both relentlessly pursuing greatness yeah and they can be the most unapologetic and unvarnished version of themselves in front of each other and there have been so many moments across the five seasons where they sit when they're sitting next each other they can't look at each other they're turned and one of them just gently puts

a hand on the other ones back or something we're like they wait is this about to change and then

because that moment where you think that he's gonna ask not to be the coach at home I was a

whole shit I was just like you know it's never been on the ice he never stepped on the ice

in my whole life I so the season ends like they have this incredible I mean we can talk a little bit about the final episode but they have this incredible moment where they're playing it's the you all stars this outdoor rink outside of a church the entire town of Sudbury's come out

“it's violent bloody they've been told I think the one of the best things is they've been told”

in no uncertain terms no fighting by the church the people the church that owns the rink if there's fighting we're gonna call the cops and we're gonna shut it down and the minute the whistle is blown to start the game they drop the gloves and the fifth and a gigantic melee breaks out yes and it's a really close game that they wind up losing because of the dive heroes dive but the larger moral victory is one and we still don't really have a no show though right like

I mean this is the hockey league itself is collapsed these guys are all presumably going back to their job so like yeah I mean going forward I have no doubt that they'll be able to come up with something really really entertaining for two hours but absolutely you know and I honestly no matter like whatever machine they need to build to make it so that it's like we need to do this because we need a charity match to save great this community center yeah yeah because the mechanics of the

the sports storyline really just help us move forward and care about stuff but really what we care about is the this is this show is just a masterpiece of character barely development you know I mean like so many of these characters are inching forward in terms of their emotional development but nonetheless arrested development movement somewhere you know the scenes were repeatedly they're they're getting their house in order to get it get in a house in order boys you know

it's so funny and all of their shitty relationships and hits and his girlfriend thinking yeah they have the best relationship because when a hitch fucked the hockey mom she got back it in by fucking him and now they're good yeah so it's the best and so the idea that they

“can keep playing with these characters I think is very it like this is a show that is to me”

always refillable because the characters are just so perfect and you know like yes it's all

gonna come down to a game at some point sure but I'm not here for the game right you know I mean and they're also making it uh six episodes a season almost twice a year at this point you know it means so it's like it's pretty yeah well I don't think we'll I don't think we'll get season six this season zero maybe I don't I don't think we will be I doubt it um I didn't get chance to talk to you about you to rivalry really I mean let's fucking go uh and we don't have to go nuts on it but

he'd rivalry shares Jacob Tierney is like an essential part of letter canning yes you know both on camera and off and has been like a part of that world forever and the sort of emergence of Tierney coming out I'm making he'd rivalry which is not only a successful adaptation of a wildly beloved um piece of fiction but did make it in such a different way than the way the kiso of shows have been made in the past which is like incredibly static incredibly flat everything is

about like jokes building verbally rather than through psych ags or anything like that is just it was

“pretty shocking that's the only thing that was shocking over here lovely I know you're thinking”

what I mean what did you think of you to rivalry as a series and do you have do you see any connect a tissue between the two things um I I think that they are quite different yeah shows obviously I love them both I thought they'd be funny about getting into exotic positions um about understanding who you are and embracing that in full and surrounding yourself with other people who embrace that in full um I thought you to rivalry was wonderful I mean I love the whole season I thought it really

evolved you know over the course of the first couple episodes like this is sexy this is fun

third episode of course we get the are we spoiling things I can speak in general these we get you know an episode centered around different characters other than the main characters it's was very shocking but in an incredibly energizing way we're like I don't really totally know what I'm watching but I'm very invested in this episode four I think is when you realize you're watching just an episode three but you're back with Ilia and Shane and episode four you're like we're watching

for Steve TV this is just exceptional I thought episode five is one of the best episodes of TV of the year and I thought that the Shane Ilia conversation where Ilia is speaking in Russia and we're just watching Shane's face was one of the best TV scenes of the year and in the finale I was sobbing like a fucking baby the entire time I loved it I think the thing that's clear about letter Kenny and Shorzi is and I think this is Jared Kito's whole thing is I'm interested in

Kenny problems and it was all about the problems of the people of letter Kenny small town problems and how you set up them usually with fist fights you know and that's letter if there's fighting

in Shorzi there's a million times more fighting in letter Kenny because Wayne Jared Kito's character

is the toughest guy in letter Kenny right and so whenever there's a new tough guy who shows up he has to come in fight Wayne or they have to go and fight some guy who did something so the number of montage seven minute long fight scenes in letter Kenny is enormous yes absolutely crazy and so to me he did rivalry is taking all of those small town things and blowing them up yes you know and putting them on a much larger stage and much larger like everything gets bigger everything

“becomes it's not it's but still concerning itself with small character things I think the lesson”

from the two shows ultimately is like it's just much more interesting to watch TV about characters that aren't easily pinned down yeah like you could watch a version of Shorzi and this kind of

goes back to the first episode of the season five where you're like the easy thing to do would

have Shorzi bus jacks balls make fun of it like and then be like you know like I'll coach you because you don't understand there's so many like logical instead he shows this incredibly tender side there's so many moments in he'd arrive or where you're like I got it I know where this is going I know what this guy is like I know what that guy is like and they show you a completely different side and that goes all the way down to like Ilia's the girl who lives with Ilia you know what I mean like

you know we're like uh yeah like it's just there's so many different wrinkles change conversation with his mother yeah like you expect when the parents find out when Shane's parents find out you're like oh shit this is gonna be it and they're like oh okay both of them do an incredible job servicing discovery and surprise sure in ways that you think you know what kind of a story you're inside of and you're like oh that I genuinely surprised by that and isn't that

especially for people like us who spend all of our time inside of television to be able to be surprised by a thing is very rare or to be like oh that did not happen well first and for a show to not make the surprise it's entire disaster to be like right I was gonna fucking be it dumbass it's

“more than one silo you know I think it's not it's not a rug put that I think that's a good point”

it's never interested in in a it being a rug pull or call it attention to it it's that people

are making choices that you're like oh of course that is a choice that I just that I don't think narrative television would always make in this way and of course the relationship that each story has to hockey even though they're both in some way at hockey shows it's radically different Shane and Ilia are the two best players of their generation yes this is not whale shit hockey this is Montreal and Boston the top picks in the draft and they've won Stanley cops and they've

won him and generationally like on the others like you know like sad and yeah yeah yeah it's exactly and so then it's like okay well if the rapper that defines my life and my public persona and my earnings and my endorsement deals if I didn't feel like I could be myself inside of that what would that mean their relationship to the sport is different from each other of course but certainly

“very different from all of our blueberry bull nugs so I think we get we just get way less hockey”

in heated rivalry like it it doesn't function as a a workshop quite in the same way that Shores he does like obviously we have some scenes on the ice and some scenes in the locker room but much more to establish like the position that they each hold or stature inside of the game and then how that it holds a lot of transition yeah I mean you when you were saying pin down earlier so I've been waiting but here we go yeah last they also share wolf parade which they

yes this I felt bad about because I spoiled this video okay I thought you would finish the season and I texted you know it's like wolf parade back and you're like I haven't gotten that one what the fuck did I fall really bad they both dropped wolf parade and I I couldn't help but wonder carry Bradshaw style if the love when you do it was Jerky so say tip of the tip of the cat Jake and just like that yeah and just like that a wolf parade needle drop jump right way up was that

your favorite needle drop of the season obviously he did rival the horse the van Morrison uh that I'm not a god man there's nothing better in the world than the amount of uh our Monvene held in that they just like the amount of UK garage and how songs that they're just like yeah this is just we're doing one of the things that I'm curious when you said because you like you

get used to with an happened in letter Kenny and with Shorsey is for a show that is remarkably short in length per episode an enormous amount of almost every episode is just a music montage that is either in this season the strip club it's the hockey games it's the fist fights it is

“there's celebration of them winning the no show I think is like a full episode right”

it's like you have an out of a montage it's going and like full song you listen to the whole song play out there in letter Kenny they're oftentimes fights which are incredibly choreographed and like so satisfying to watch but you're like I think I've been watching this fight for four full minutes of this 20 minute episode I thought I'd notice it mostly on this season where I was like there a couple of Shorsey episodes that it's like there's 12 minutes of acting yeah and the

rest of it is like a montage with like a house anthem that is of course a difference between the two shows two there are a number of wonderful performances in Shorsey but just the ethos the energy is so different where you know you're watching just kiso do something I think kind of god tier and astonishing a lot of people in a scene in Shorsey are like people who played hockey well enough to be in Shorsey and are learning how to find that comedic rhythm and across the seasons it's a really advanced

like I watch hit a rivalry and I'm like Connor's story is going to be one of the most famous people alive yeah you know lots of Williams is the become a sensation for a reason like so that well they're very different but I do love this kind of shared thread across them and I you know I was just well what a time to be on the rink I love the good for the we share and I'm so happy I I don't know I mean like I could keep going but like I feel like that's a good place to end

we we will hopefully find something new in between now and if we don't we're fools yeah Jason Mansuchus thank you so much for coming back and absolute like mail just the best thrill of my life to be here with you thanks to Kai thanks to Kai and he and I will be back on Monday

“I think the it's a pretty full dance card from Monday because I have some paramount order brothers”

that flex post game stuff we have DTF sailors we are okay incredible I'm all in on this show Steve

Conradius I was a greatest yes Steve Conrad my favorite patriot perpetual grace limited Ultra City Smith and was the original show runner on seven kingdoms yes he was he's a really he wrote the first adaptation of the Duncan Egg book and I've only seen one episode of DTF I think it's incredible I'm so stoked for it this is the other thing sorry I want to I'm gonna say this because I said it on this show I told you about Shorzi you slept on it

the show that I feel like everybody is sleeping on right now is it the fairies is dark winds oh fuck you Kai can I tell you something if I don't understand what is going on you guys are gonna fuck you know I know I know and that the last time this happened it was Mr. in between people were just like what are you talking problem it's good dark winds is just the show that I've been like I just can't abide being 30 hours behind on this you know or whatever it is I

understand but I saw that they were doing a 70s LA episode coming up then I was like damn dude this season has tight as well over in it and why I'm Bosch is in the show Bosch I've right oh get involved

regardless each of these seasons has been phenomenal so first season you would start was like

“and honestly you kind of don't need to like each of them is a contained singular story each one is”

one case okay or a couple of interrelated cases okay it's not like one big I mean there is some larger there is absolutely character continuity but each each they're based on books and each one is basically one case that falls into have you ever started a show like midway through I would die yeah I would not recommend it enough okay as not just like not just phenomenal but consistently phenomenal okay you do you have a recommendation for things that you don't

talk about on house of art that you'd love to get off your chest I think this is a great time to invest in the Baltimore Warriors oh boy the Christ I'm just I'm only doing this because I'm looking at my shores as I made shores this is the year they're gonna win the world series

all right I'd like to have you come on maybe first spring training episode with me and Andy we

could talk about the futility of cheering for baseball teams outside of Los Angeles Dodgers and so I will not be rooting for anything I'm going to do DTF San Luis will probably hit paradise I think the top chef episode is up on peacock apparently okay first episode of the season you guys talking some survivor no basically all I think about right now is survivors really

they get dropped in the middle of nowhere yeah but not naked no it's not a naked in a frame

“that's naked in a frame this is like real deal like you are alone there's no camera crew you are”

either camera crew you don't and people and the last person there wins of the other half a million

dollars or a million dollars and they're out there alone for months oh my god so you're watching people at first figure out how to survive what's going to be my food source where am I going to get water from I need to build a shelter we should that be and then once those once enough people have gotten that far and some people have dropped out you're watching people lose their minds because they are alone that's called weeks and weeks and we've said it's time it's incredible do you

think you could do it no the isolation oh yes you definitely could do that that part that part of you just couldn't build a fire I would have a lot of trouble with the like actual like

foraging and getting food you bring your glasses you could start a fire with those you can

do that on time items I could I so one of the I could start a fire I could get fire is going ten packs of cigarettes you were a camel guy right I was yeah I felt so proud of myself yesterday in this very office our colleague Jack Wilson asked you just Chris an American spirits guy and I said camel you were and I said this is a friendship test and I feel sure it was Winston's very you know just a guy came into a baros working out and he was like do you sell cigarettes and we

said no and he was like I worked for Winston next time somebody asks you that will you give them a free complimentary pack well and we said absolutely Mr Winston sounds like a massive all those cigarettes and smoke them and then I became addicted to cigarettes and they moved into camels because I was dating a gross smoke camels oh okay all of this tracks for me wow all of it yeah and then I never stopped and then I stopped right I still have nicotine problems um yeah okay

okay first broker I I literally never had a cigarette in my life like you know what I've loved a cigar

“I've loved a cigar over the years oh that's I think if you started smoking it will”

be an incredible frinkle for you I don't I don't know if the lungs can do it man it would be it would be really funny if you just became not just a smoker but like an in studios and like Dennis Leary style like when people knew that like oh you're gonna guess on how's of our like it's been a smoke through out yeah well what if I had like a pipe I used to like to smoke I thought about who were the people I would who have indoor smoking rights champagne

to caprio vape's everywhere sure champagne I think can smoke literally like champagne is all about the globe yeah yeah yeah yeah and that's it Barack Obama he could but even the Brock would step aside yeah this here's all the shots you're right you're right what will my brand be well like of cigarettes Indian Creek like Kate from scario oh shit sorry when you're not like a not like a a Virginia sling yeah like a skinny cigarette that would be

“interesting I think Johnny that gets to smoke those gross like clothes yeah those gross cigarettes”

he smokes inside though yeah have you ever been on set with somebody who smoked cigarettes in your fate like like wall on set oh wow probably I'm trying to think who Johnny I did suit something with Johnny Depp and he was smoking constantly yeah and it was discussed but I'm trying to think of anybody was like like in a way that was like interruptive to the process what's it interruptive as much as it's just such a flex it's like you find it aspiration I mean

I know I don't I just take it ruin the indoors do you have an age where you're like at eight when I turn seven yeah I'm gonna start smoking all the time because and I'll tell you what it's not gonna be smoking that I get into you know I mean sure you're going to act out like you're like injecting straight straight to the bay yeah see how the world works out you know I mean it feels like imminent doom is there well we like I might just start being on

ketamine while I'm on podcast all the time okay thank thank thank you so much for coming in thank you so much for doing this thank you to Kai thank you Kai see you guys on Monday oh we'll also have some industry mail back questions oh hell yeah um talk to you soon