Kawhi Is Headed Back to the Raptors! Plus, Where Will LeBron Sign and Ja Traded to Portland

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"The Raptors were bidding against mostly the clippers willing to keep Kauai Leonard and just say, "Okay, if you don't meet our price, we'll keep on." "In the end, this is where they settled." "Where would you like to start on this Mr. Mahoney?" "I would like to start,"

“"I think with the Raptors side, honestly."”

"Because they were already quite good." "And I would say Kauai gives them exactly what they need in a way that is frankly a little bit terrifying to me." "And so I'm very eager to see them in action with Kauai back in the fold, back in the city." "A cult hero in Toronto to say the least."

"And I'm eager to see him back in a Raptor's uniform.

"I mean, obviously, when he was healthy last year, he was healthy for the last, you know, whatever games of the season." "He played 65 games last year." "He was one of the seven or eight best players in the NBA, allegedly."

"He was first team all NBA player."

"A massive upgrade over Brandon and Grom." "By the way, there's some wonderful symmetry here between the championship team Kauai Leonard played for and this one." "If you trace the lineage of how we got from point A to point B."

“"It traces from Pascalciacum and the stuff that they got back for Pascalciacum, including Bruce Brown and a first round pick that became key to Wagler of all things."”

"They just then they traded that for Brandon and Grom and then they traded in Grom and more stuff to the Clippers today." "So there's some nice symmetry there between the old Raptors and the new Raptors." "The starting five presumably will be a manual quickly." "RJ Barrett, who's extension now becomes a very interesting piece of business for a Raptors team that is much more win now than they were eight hours ago." "Kauai Scotty Barnes probably got a portal but why?"

"But why?" "When it comes time, maybe complimentary boils." "And boy, Kauai Scotty Barnes, the Scotty Barnes we saw on the playoffs in particular." "And by the way, this does not happen. If the Raptors don't have a successful season and a successful-ish postseason."

"When Scotty Barnes, with kind of everything in shambles around him other than Colin Murray boils, not only rises to the occasion on both ends of the floor, but proves to the world." "You want 45 minutes of play to exhaustion to a play at an elite level." "You want me to try to carry you by myself over a really good team. I'll do it." "None of this happens. This Kauai deal doesn't happen if those things don't happen." "Kauai Scotty Barnes and CMB defensively are all my gut."

"They're all shed and they're too in some line up." "They're going to be hellacious as grinding teams to dust." "Off the bench, we have Jamal Shed." "Jekko be Walter. Still here?" "I'm a believer. I'm a Jekko be Walter guy."

"Me too." "MB." "That's the top eight. After that, we're talking Jamal's in battle. The graves kid they just drafted and some fill in the blanks as they approached the first apron here." "I think this is a really good team." "Fan dual upgraded them to like fifth in championship odds, but in a big tie with like Cleveland, Denver, Minnesota, a bunch of other teams."

"The easiest is going to be really good next year." "That's one of the stories that we're going to see what happens with Boston and Jail and Brown and some other things." "But there's a lot of good teams in these."

"But they have announced themselves as like, look, why is like one of those guys who, there's never any fit issues."

"He's elevates everything around him. He has no weaknesses. He can shoot. He took way more three's last season." "He's purely additive in every possible sense." "Is it worth?" "Ingram?"

“"And most notably, I think the haggling ended up being how many unprotected picks and when?"”

"And the clippers forced him as far out as possible." "2031 and 2033, Kawaii will probably be out certainly, be out of the NBA." "By then, Scotty Barnes will still be in the NBA." "But they forced him way out there to get the worst case scenario and play." "Rabma Hooney, assuming the Raptors extend Kawaii is only eligible for a two-year extension, which by the way, great for the Raptors."

"It's only two years, perfect." "We can't even out Sorry, man. We can't give you three. We can't give you four."

"Our hands are tough. Assuming there's like a two-year, a hundred-million-dollar extension coming here."

"Is this a fair price? Is it worth it? Is this team good enough?" "You know, it's more than I thought any team would give up for Kawaii. Just because he isn't elite players, we describe it." "And elite players who's availability, just looms over everything, causes a lot of problems." "I think it makes total sense for the Raptors, though." "And it makes total sense with that extension. If you're talking about yet another short-term lease, Kawaii Leonard situation."

"That's a different return. That's a different package that you're putting together." "But for three years of Kawaii potentially, with this team obviously up and rearing and ready to go in so many ways." "Gotty Barnes being ahead of Schedul as a star, CMB being ahead of Schedul as a real disruptor in a two-way player, frankly." "I don't see a reason why the Raptors shouldn't have been involved in." "Why they shouldn't have been trying to push in. If not with Kawaii then was something else."

"So why not swing big with a player who is beloved in the city who clearly works alongside this supporting cast." "Replacing, I'm going to say you're released engaged to Defender in the starting line up in Brandon Ingram with an absolute Hellcat someone who can create so many problems." "And exactly the sort of half-court offensive weapon they needed." "He fits this team in so many ways." "Can you recreate on the spot?"

“"I actually didn't do the Raptors should do this. I think at the introductory press conference, they should ask Kawaii to do the laugh again."”

"Can you do the laugh?" "He's almost painful the way he does it. It's coming from a really dark and tortured place."

"I think it's fair.

"I mean I understand why the Raptors did it. They still have plenty of draft picks to work from and even swaps or from.

By the way, I expect them to be aggressive. If not this summer, then toward the trade deadline if the team is good."

“"I think they will look to upgrade more."”

"Perhaps it's a center position, but that's down the line." "I do think it's obvious but it must be acknowledged that here are Kawaii's games played since his last year with the spurs." "65, 37, 68, 52, 52, 57, 60, zero." I missed a zero in there. And even more so, I mentioned that the Clippers won three playoff series in seven seasons. They have not won any since 2021, zero. And in that time, when you look at why they haven't won any in 2022, they missed the playoffs because Kawaii was injured.

In 2023, they lost to the sons in the first round Kawaii missed part of that series. In 2024, they lost to the Mavericks in the first round Kawaii missed part of that series.

In 2025, it was healthy. They lost to a very good Denver team. Last year, they're in the plan because Kawaii was not healthy in part because Kawaii was on healthy at the beginning of the year. Like, this is great on paper for all the reasons that we've already discussed.

“I just, is the ever going to get through four playoff series? Was that one raptor's year with the shot that hit the rim four times against Philly, the championship, the finals MVP, the second of his career?”

It looks more and more like an anomaly with time. And yeah, Alex, the technique is there. They know how to manage them. They're going to get them through the regular season the way they did back then. But if we're talking championship equity and playoff equity, like, it just feels pretty hard for me to believe that he's ever going to get through a playoff's healthy again because we just haven't seen it in a while. I feel like I have to throw that caveat out there to big caveat. It's not just the games played. It's the grind of the playoffs that takes its toll. Even even so I think the price is worth it for the raptors.

Even if I'm skeptical that this team is going to win the championship with Coli Leonard or maybe even make the finals, they certainly have the ability to do it. I think the price in Ingram, who is basically a fungible semiai expiring player and two draft picks and some other stuff and great deck is not enough thing. You're great to take some good reclamation for the clippers.

“I think the price is worth it in this team as a chance to be very good.”

I think no matter what the raptors did, even if they made some other aggressive move, they were going to be a long shot to make it through the east. And so why not if you're going to be the lower probability team that has to have some things click right for you to win. This one is proven. Like you know who Coli is. You know how good he can be. You're not rolling the dice with a distress star on another team and hoping they can be better for you. No, you're just hoping to get the version of Coi who played last year and hoping you can import him into this team. And yeah, he needs to be healthy. But I just don't see that as being that like dramatically less likely than any other path they would have taken with this team at this point.

I think it's totally worth it. By the way, I mentioned the the pastry surface from pick it. Sometimes it's fun to retrace the journey of these draft picks. Would you like to retrace this one for me? I would love it. The raptors acquire it among many other things, but they acquire this particular pick that becomes Keaton Wagner. They acquired for Pascal Siakum. They traded to New Orleans for Brandon Ingram. New Orleans trades it back to Indiana to get back into the first round. And then Tyre's Halle Burton gets injured like two days later. Indiana then trains it to the clippers top five protected boom. It's or whatever top four protected boom. It's five and it becomes Keaton Wagner quite a journey for that traffic.

Here's the question I posed to you. I mentioned that I thought the raptors were bidding at the end basically against the clippers willingness to just not do a deal.

I do think there is truth to the reports that Kawai made it known that Dallas and San Antonio were two other teams that he would at least consider signing an extension with. Neither team appears to have had to have pursued it really just not on their timeline. Whatever. And so the question I asked you was, give me a team or two that you think could of would of should of just said forget it. We'll do exactly what the raptors did all those years ago and just take them on a rental come what made. Did you find any teams that were in position to do that?

I honestly think that the teams that make the most spent sense in that way are teams we've already sort of discussed like I'm with the Celtics jail and Brown conversation as that stuff goes like why not Kawai in those circumstances. But he just such a particular kind of player given the injury risk to talk yourself into that even if like LeBron you could put almost anywhere and he can fit and make sense for a lot of different teams even with all of the LeBron size considerations that come with his reputation and his history and all that.

I don't know like I don't know that Kawai like if you're the six or sure like...

That would be a whole lot of draft picks or returning the picks that the clippers traded you for James Hardin.

By the way, still do not control their first round pick. I believe for the next three seasons, which is another boon perhaps for Oklahoma City. They get to swap picks with the clippers in 2027. I think I should probably check to make sure that that's right. But yeah, yeah, Oklahoma City. And also it makes the clippers immune from caring about the relegations on if their pick is relegated and they certainly are a major total rebuild work in progress at this point. They don't really care. That's it. The top of my rental teams list. Obviously, jail and brown would have been the piece. I mentioned it with peanut even two days ago kind of your problem for my problem. And I could see I said then I could see both teams arguing over who should send who draft compensation what picks, how many picks.

“The clippers I think clearly wanted picks more than a present day player, although they can flip.”

They can flip branded ingram for picks now. They could flip jail or whatever. I don't think that was ever seriously discussed between the two teams. I think it's just too messy. These things. It's a monumental, you know, it's a monumental thing to contemplate.

The only other ones I can think of were the Cleveland Cavaliers who can only trade one future first right now.

But I've Jared Allen and can put together the salary. It's interesting. They're also have some apron issues that they'd have to deal with. The Denver nuggets who I think right now at 10 Eastern time are to me, maybe the most intriguing team remaining in the offseason, including at least in my theoretical dreams. They will talk about later as old LeBron James destination. Again, theoretical dreams. They've got a lot of big salaries. They can move around. I don't think that was ever discussed.

What about Houston? Houston could have done a Durant Coideal.

Yeah. Or Fred Van Bleep, plus Jabari Smith is almost an exact salary match, plus some draft compensation. I don't think that was ever seriously contemplated by the rockets. Those were my only hey.

“Should you dip your toe into this one, maybe? Is it worth the short term upgrade to do it? And I think some of this is also like you will hear people around the league ask. I mean, they asked me.”

Do we know what's happening with the aspiration investigation or like are we sure that this would be a good idea for us? Obviously Toronto thinks it's a good idea for them. And I'm sure that they did their due diligence with the league office, but those were my only rental teams. The Clippers. I don't know any reflections on this era of Clippers basketball rob. I mean, obviously it's like Darious Garlin brand in Ingram above. Like it's tempting to say, maybe they held out too long and should regret losing Paul George for nothing.

But I thought they did great in the hard and trade. I thought they and I said this before they even got the pick. I thought they hit the zoo bot straight out of the park.

“And I think they did pretty well with this trade too. Obviously the era did not turn into what they wanted it to be. It turned to do exactly what Oklahoma City could have wanted it to be.”

It should and will go down as a failure or the attempt and yet a failure. But I think they've done pretty well pivoting away from it here. I think that's the way to classify it. I mean, the grizzlies are kind of in this conversation too, where there's there's an original sin that is maybe like slightly delayed versus what would have been optimal. And then from that point getting off of the right guys at the right time to get pretty substantial halls for the hard and types and the evices of bots types.

And yeah, it puts the Clippers into a different sort of holding patterns. They figure out what kind of team they want to be, which of these core pieces are actually core pieces are not. I think Brandon Ingram, with all due respect has proven he's not really usually that guy like he's the guy who is on your team when you're not really playing for anything serious and then when you start to get serious you trade him for coi Leonard. I see it though more as like garland and wagler and this like a young core that is interesting enough and most importantly those refresh picks that they desperately needed. They did well pick wise they did well in this trade. I think Toronto paid about the max it was willing to pay and I think it's worth it.

Only team Toronto is maybe worried about in this rental conversation and the back of their heads was Boston, but I don't think that anything to be worried about in the jail and brown situation I've done to death already it remains as of this woman unresolved and we will come back to it. Toronto is going to be super fun. They got around out there team a little bit they have to. You know figure out if graves can play if Jackson Davis can give them meaningful minutes those are now important depth pieces for them. Do you think I mean you mentioned the RJ extension kind of in the air here yeah.

Do you feel like he is as important to this version of the team as he was to ...

But he is more ball handler than he is spacer and I could see them having the conversation of like do you try to move off of bear it not just because of the extension but because you want someone who's a little bit more of a pure off ball presence of the two now with this being the construction of your team.

“I think again they will be pretty active at the trade deadline ahead of the trade deadline next year and it could be with that piece.”

I will say and I've always thought this about RJ he's an easy player to take for granted because of the things that he doesn't do well he doesn't shoot the three as well as you'd hope though that's he's had times where it's like it's true as he nailed as he mastered it and then it'll dip off. He doesn't defend nearly as consistently as you'd hope and yet he's always just helping out like he always he's a very adaptable player he can get off the ball a little bit he can do it you can cut a little bit he can be a second side driver instead of a primary driver.

Like he finds ways to contribute and to me I just think it's all about the price point like he's making $30 billion this year.

You know you know what his agents will do don't go in and say hey he was one of the most consistent all around players on the team is plus minus his x y and z he's making 30 now he should make 40 on his next contract and to me that's like a no go but if it's a fair deal he's a good player. easy to take for granted and I think with an upgrade in shooting from brand in ingram to kawaii me kawaii's like an all time shooter and all time shooter who that was just launching threes. I think he actually fits better with this group and he's also like a manual quickly is not exactly barreling to the rim over again is a point guard so they need kind of a head down driver.

He's really the best on their team at it in a lot of ways and that's right with you like it's kind of re introducing to the rappers all of these philosophical questions that come with kawaii of. Do you try to find players who fit the kawaii version of the team perfectly do try to find players who fit if he misses 30 games that help you get by in those moments even more effectively and I mean our team might be kind of straddling that line as best as you can find under the circumstances.

I need to be a really good team really fun. I think it's absolutely worth the risk Toronto fans should be over the moon it's a cool story like of all the places.

Like not that many people have chosen Toronto and kawaii not only went their unwillingly and now wants to go back and maybe end his career as a raptor.

“Yeah and like and I'm not even like what in the theoretical Hall of Fame where you have to pick a hat.”

Is this hat a raptor's hat now is it a clip or sad is it an aspiration hat like what's it got me an aspiration hat like let's be real about it where who signing the checks you know. It's an interesting question speaking of hats.

I don't know if any thought more let's move on I will say someone posed this to me today if zoo bats were still on the clippers.

Would there have been some sort of jail and brown zoo bats and other stuff plus picks trade package but alas that ship is sealed. Good try clippers. It didn't really work out well done street lights versus spotlights. The liners in the clippers play no in the play off certain street lights versus spotlights here speaking of the spotlight era. Lebron James is not going to be a lake or anymore raising a frenzy of interest in where he's going to play.

And for how much you will be going be playing for and boy just the the quotes from people familiar with Lebron's mindset today it's just like. It's warm and fuzzy it's it's like where it's like from the therapist couch he's going to choose happiness. He's choosing he's gotten to the end of the rom company's choosing himself he's choosing him he's choosing happiness he's going to be I'm just reading he's going to be patient and open minded about it. He's going to choose happiness happiness I should note very very much a synonym for joy.

Which has been the watch word in golden states and Steve Kerr. Yeah, maybe they're using a tongue and cheek like we can't say joy and make it obvious when we can say happiness.

“These days though happiness I think is well over the second apron like there's some real financial worries trying to sign with happiness right now.”

I I really want people to find happiness and joy and apparently he decided you could not find it with the lakers and he will find it somewhere else. Question one Rob Mahoney eight years with the Los Angeles lakers one championship a couple of absolutely seismic trades. Seven playoff series wins in eight years compared to three for the clippers in the seven years when coi was there. Is this is this a success for the Los Angeles lakers and for Lebron James.

Unquestionably yes for me.

You have the title you have the western conference finals run you have six all and be eight teams during that time all successes.

“Also, I think some of it is just about context like yes Lebron James is an all time great player and you may think eight years with an all time great you have certain expectations that come with that.”

He's an all time great who is 33 to 41 and I think if you look at even the greatest to ever play from 33 to 41. I would put this up there is I mean maybe it's not quite Korean level that might be the gold standard for this particular age bracket, but as good and as productive as you get possibly expect from someone under these circumstances. And frankly some of this as a recent transplant to Los Angeles, I just do not understand the laker fan relationship with Lebron James it is a deeply strange the way that how how clearly and easily he's disregarded like the way people talk about him as a legend.

And it's like I don't know man he won a title he did really well during his time year he is the reason Anthony Davis was traded to Los Angeles, which is thus the reason Luca Donchich was traded to Los Angeles.

I just really don't see the hesitation to call this anything other than a success because you won it all while he was here.

I think it's a success. But it's a little less enthusiastic about it than you are but it's it's clearly a success. Here's what I would reject okay I would reject calling it a failure because if you win a championship it's not a failure. I would reject the notion that I've seen elsewhere that oh well I mean this just shows trading all the young guys they traded for Anthony Davis that was a mistake that was not a mistake. The young guys in that trade where Lanzo ball, Josh Hart, Brandon Ingram, Julius Randall went separately they just renounced his rights he wasn't in that trade.

A draft pick that became De Andre Hunter and another draft pick that I believe became Dyson Daniels on balance fine that's before you remember that Anthony Davis got them Luca Donchich, which as insane as that is it's a thing that happened and you'll set them up for a long time. I also would reject it as as a failure just based on success period they want a championship.

And if you go through if you go through the years they missed the playoffs as first year there then they won the championship.

“Twenty twenty one the sons eliminate them in the first round that's the J crowd or salsa dance series I'll never forget that Anthony Davis was hurt in that series.”

And then the crossroads moment and I think how you regard LeBron's tenure is at least a little bit touched by how much blame you lay at his feet at clutches feet at rich balls feet for the Russell Westbrook trade. And we can really to get that forever and ever and ever but combine with the players they lost off that championship team in 2020 the Danny Greens and Alex Caruso's and on and on with that trade which completely fucked up their whole team and their asset base and has had ripple effects ever since.

We're kind of drawing that is a championship contender from almost that moment on and yet they still make the western conference finals in 2023 then the nuggets sweep them the Minnesota timbre was after Luca gets there beat him for one people are hurt in that series and then LeBron kind of goes out with the bang in this final season with the lakers upsetting the rockets in the first round to ran hurt obviously but everyone on the lakers hurt for a lot or all of that series in some cases. This is success I get why it feels weird like it just kind of feels it feels weird it feels a little weird to lakers fans you can't wait in this career.

That's the championship was the bubble championship at Lakers fans know I've always been a pro bubble championship is a legit real championship nothing's wrong with it no as tricks no nothing but it still felt weird it just was weird the people were in their zoom windows cheer in your honor was just weird.

“I think it does kind of the success storm with you. Yeah, I mean he's wildly successful given where he was in his careers the second oldest finals MVP of all time.”

This is what happens when you have an aging star on your team even if it is an aging legend I think. I don't know just like we would never have this conversation about like what did Kobe Bryant do from his 30 age 34 season on and some of that is because there is the built in good will of a star who spent his prime with this team in this city. It's different for someone like LeBron who's jumping in late in the game but from the moment he did. I think he pretty much paid off if not though the wild expectations to follow him everywhere he goes certainly any reasonable ones.

And now this this divorce raises some questions number one the lakers not have a lot of cap space and how they use it is going to be very interesting and Luca don't you're just going to be watching it very carefully. Rui Hachimura is a free agent. I think he's going to be on another team next year. Austin Reeves is obviously back.

They're going to meet with a lot of centers, jail and durn of support to be t...

A boon for the free agent centers in the NBA the lakers have in cap space we'll see how they use it and then the more fun conversation is where is LeBron going to play.

“Golden State without Anthony Davis it looks like just just LeBron you gotta go on your own there's no package deal it's just you man.”

Miami and Cleveland for nostalgia sake golden state for the hey this will be fun let's all old guys team up and use our IQ and our genius and our synergy together to try to topple these young guys off the throne that should belong to us. And then there's other and a whole host of others the Athletics John Kuzinski my guy reporting that Minnesota just like Tim Connelly did when he was in Denver is like hey if I can get a meeting man why not why not we need a power forward we don't have a lot of money to spend we got a lot of young guys just upended our front line why not.

Is there a team just take the take the take all all constraints away Rob is there just a team that you think he would fit best on or you would like to see him go to just for fun. There are two but one of them you just name and it's the Minnesota chamber wolves. The idea of. Who would you want around the mellow ball to kid his head screwed on exactly straight LeBron James is a great place to start. What kind of young stars or great young players would you want to route LeBron to take the load off of him okay Anthony Edwards offensively.

Jade McDaniel's defensively, plugging the brawn into that group with Rudy Gober at the five as well. I mean, holy shit. Like that has all bases covered. It's super exciting. Solves all of Minnesota's off like off-ball playmaking issues and facilitation issues. One fell swoop kind of one size fits all silver bullet solution for a lot of their problems. The other team and this is, I mean, we're getting pretty pie in the sky on this one. But if you

want to slot Lebron into the Aaron Neesmith role for the Indiana Pacers. Wow. I mean, that's that's a team that really speaks to me. This is what I want for Lebron is like who are the elite ball movers who he can draft energy off of and turn into just like the supercharged forget like the dream on role like supercharged late stage magic johnson version of himself and a version that has Tyre's haliber and andron dem hard Pascal Siakim to Vitzazubo to be barely seen with the

Pacers man. That would be super exciting to see. So it's funny. I mentioned my collier rental teams that I went through a Houston Cleveland Denver in Boston. Indiana was also on my initial list. Then I looked at their cap sheet and I called around a little bit. It's just they would have to have combined like four guys to get to collier salary. It would have been pretty impractical for them. But the the infusion of that level and size of player is is super interesting for a

Pacers team that is very deep. That's a fun one. Mine is I liked them. The Minnesota one is great. Although it does give rise to the Danny Glover lethal weapon. I'm getting too old for this shit meme like of just like Lemello did what like I would Lebron even understand Lemello's text messages or would he just be like I need Brani here to translate this because I don't understand what these messages say. Speaking of Brani. Brani and Luke Canard both just

Brani's left behind in L.A. Luke Canard just signed with the sons which surprised me a little bit. I thought Luke Canard had kind of found a home with the Lakers two years 13 sure with the Phoenix sons. But who it all has a home with the Lakers right now? Like it is Luke and Austin Reeves, obviously John Drake, and picked up his option. J. Gloria Via, congratulations. You're now like a full-time maybe starter on this team. Like they're just short on bodies right now. Well, I mean,

I talked about this earlier in the week when we discussed the Reeves Max contract, which is a

“contract you have to do in Austin Reeves. I heard you talking about it. It is just like a phenomenal”

offensive player. Yeah. And what he did one one of Luke are Lebron was out was like, oh, he just averaged like 30 and eight on super-efficient shooting defensively. It's going to be a challenge. But look, if you

have Luke and Reeves making $100 million combined, filling out the rest of the team is not going to be

easy. They have draft assets assets to work with. But this this center position thing, eight in is clearly not it and not the answer. I'm interested to see how serious they get with some of these restricted free agents. And if they at least make one of these teams eat it with an offer sheet. Like I think what do you think of Walker Kessler? You know, when when there was a report in the athletic that things were a little strained with Utah, I said, I can't remember who

“I was as my guess, but I said, like I think people would be I had the number, but I didn't have to”

go ahead to like say the number. But I knew the number was like $27, $28 million a year average annual

Value.

up at the amount of money he's being offered. And Tony Jones in the athletic reported today that he's expecting deals in the 30s, like the mid 30s, maybe even high 30s. I like Walker Kessler.

“I think there's some offensive potential that is on tap there. The three point shooting, I think”

whoever whatever team he's on will continue to say, hey, can you try it? Defensively he's a beast, but like that seems like a lot of money for Walker Kessler to me for someone who is still so hypothetical, right? Like guys like us will come out here and say like, oh, who he could be as a room protector, who he already is as an offensive rebounder. He certainly had like the high water marks offensively in terms of just converting easy stuff. He also doesn't really expand his

offensive game at all other than those occasional threes. Like he's not someone who is even come up into the high pain and been like a threat with a floater or any kind of short role game at all. He's had stretches of his career where he's had like total crises of confidence in terms of his ability to finish around the room, which is a crazy thing to say when you look at, oh, he's a 65 to 70% field goal percentage finisher, but he's had stretches where like he will shy away from even

“trying some of those attempts. That's a problem. And it's also the kind of thing when you're on a”

lucid, dodgitch team, you straight up can't do. So I, I both fully believe the best version of Walker Kessler could be unlocked by someone like Luca and by a team like the Lakers. But that price point,

that's it's a little aggressive for someone who has basically no proof of concept playing

actually competitive basketball. We've got a very important text right now for my sister in Paola. I'm going to shout out Paola on the podcast. She's a Toronto Raptor season ticket older. She texted me the trade, you know, just FY Paola and a new. She says, for real, not sure what I think of this. Interesting. I think maybe, you know, goes back to, it was a little acrimonious when he left and Uncle Dennis was making demands left and right. I don't know, like, what do you do if you're

Toronto if Uncle Dennis strolls up and he's like, hey, where's my credential? Where's my crew? I remember how I'd roam the back of the halls and get to go wherever I want. I'm actually kind of being serious. He's like, is he, I don't know, I don't know what to do with him. I don't know. I don't know. Is it not part of the package? I thought it was a two for two, you know, Kawaii for, why, and Uncle Dennis for Brandon, or for a, like, I just assume he's part of the trade

“ultimately. I don't know, man. I guess, but, but that's why the San Antonio one was, was quite”

interesting to me because they was, if you think it was acrimonious in Toronto, it was a more acrimonious in San Antonio. Yeah. Lakers are going to have an issue building a team, but that's fine. They have Luca Dodchets. Like, that's a lot of problems. It's still all gravy for them to have been able to been gifted this. My dream, here are my, here were my dream LeBron teams. I had Indian on my list too. Let's just go through some of the ones that are already out there. Sure. Miami.

Am I wrong to just be like LeBron? Bam, Janus is like a little clunky. Is anything clunky with those guys? It's clunky is probably the wrong word, but it's, it doesn't strike me. I'm, I'm even going to say it's, it's not what Miami needs, but Miami needs everything. Miami's all the talent it can get. It's clunky, but clunky in the way, like, washing someone, smash a whack-a-mo game with a hammer until it dissolves would be kind of clunky. Like,

yeah, is this the best use of every one's time? Is this exactly how you're supposed to play this game? Maybe not, but do I want to see those three guys together? Absolutely. Okay. You know what? Yeah, that's a good one. We'll get back to Miami later. Cleveland. James Hardin, Donovan Mitchell, Evan Mowbley, Jared Allen. I don't know exactly who's still on the team here, but

it's just, there's always a lot of James Hardin happening in any James Hardin team, and I'm not

sure I want, I'm, I'm not sure I love that one either. I don't either, and I also don't love like, I guess Evan Mowbley, you're now defending three's full-time. That does doesn't seem great for anybody. San Antonio Bill mentioned, I like that one. I don't necessarily see that happening. The golden state one, I mean, it really all depends on how they fill out the rest of their roster. Like, I really, as great as LeBron and Steph Curry still are, and as synergistic as we've seen them be,

and they're brief, like, supernova appearances together for Team USA. They're two-man game, all of that. I mean, the Steph Durant two-man game was unstoppable and, like, barely tapped into really by the Warriors. LeBron, by some measures, was the most efficient pick and roll screener in the league last year, according to the tracking data that I'm looking at now. There's just, you know, like, a lot of questions is Jimmy Butler, if we're going to be healthy in time for the season,

it for this particular season. You know, Dremon Green, Spacing, all that stuff, depth, I mean,

they just resigned for Zingus two years, 40 million with a player option. I kind of like that deal

for them. It's, it's a bit for, I don't know, Chris that's where Zingus makes me very nervous. Moody's going to be out for a lot, if not all the season. Like, I don't think,

There's, I don't think that Team is a title contender.

that that age is very, very hard, but it would certainly be fun. Mine was Denver and just plop him in

“Denver and just, oh, you just want two of the all-time genius pastors in history to play off of each”

other and, and you know LeBron respects Yokech as a peer, basically. Definitely. And Denver,

again, looms to me as the most interesting team remaining on the board in the offseason for just an out-of-let field. We got to change something and it's got to be a big change kind of thing. But I don't think those are, I, those are, I, I thought about Houston. I, I don't know how they could make it work, but just plop him in there for some decision-making, whatever veteran, veteran, guyel, Boston, you can make the argument. But if it's, if it's warriors, calves, heat,

this was a heated debate today on NBA Twitter. Like, what's the appropriate best, most literary, most fitting way to cap his career of those three going back to Miami,

Mending fences with Pat Riley, heatals again, going back to Cleveland for a third time,

where he's from and brought the end of the 50 year title streak, 50, whatever your title streak, or new adventure with the rival that he crossed with over and over again in the finals, and, and it was can tanker is there for a little while between Steph and LeBron.

“Is any of those more apt for you? I think so. I appreciate the narrative closure of the other two.”

But this is where like, I'm, I'm trading this more as an epilogue, I guess, than as the actual final note. And some of that is like, I just want the new adventure. I just want the lizard part of my brain to get to watch Steph Curry and LeBron play together on an ongoing basis in the regular season. I don't think like, obviously teams like Cleveland like Miami would be in the hunt in a way that Golden State is not. But I, I'm kind of down for chasing joy. I'm kind of

down for embracing that part of this experience for him for Steph for all of us. There's a magic

to them playing together that I think would always be a shame if we never got more of it. And

I want to see it even if some of them get hurt along the way. I want to see it even if they peter out before they can go on their full playoff run. I just want to see more of it. And I get the appeal of the other two, but there is just a part of me that cannot deny wanting that specific combination on the floor as much as we could possibly get it. I'm going to say this up front. I'll live in Cleveland, and I'll live, I've never lived in any of these places. So I have no, I have no sort of hometown

tug of nostalgia for any of them. If you're just asking me as a basketball fan, which of these seems the most fun to me to watch and mix that with, could you realistically win at some interesting

“level? I think I would rank them golden state one Miami two Cleveland three. I just don't, something”

about the Cleveland and all the dribbling and all the guards. It doesn't, it doesn't quite feel as fitting to me. And I'm with you. Like these two guys have circled each other, Steph and the Bronn and played opposite each other, played with each other in the Olympics. I said this with Billy other day. I don't know if you remember this, Robin, the 2016 finals. I mean, remember, it got like a heated like the holiday party where the Cavs Halloween party where they made fun of the warriors

and the three-one lead being a gravestone and all that. I think it was game six in Cleveland. There's a LeBron block on Steph at the gym. It's an all-timeer. Where he flexes with a, with a, with a nastiness and a cruelty. And just like it, his body language is just, just remember, I'm fucking way bigger than you. And it's still my league. And I'm kind of offended that people have a little guard as my equal or perhaps my even superior in some corners. And I will not accept it.

And to see them come full circle and use their gifts to lift each other up would be kind of fun. Well, especially how clearly LeBron has wanted this, even before the Olympics. They started this flirtation years ago in terms of floating it or like, oh, what a four-parent together on these all-star teams of various constructions. To go from that, like, not only was it a flex, but a shrug and you're right. The energy of that moment is like, this fucking guy, like, are you kidding me? This is,

this is the point of care. It felt like the message to everybody to the NBA media, to the unanimous MVP voters, to all, it felt like just a message like, it's still my league. And that that is one dot. And that the dot we experience now could be, these guys are so eager to team up together. The LeBron is going to take a massive pay cut to make it happen ostensibly. Like, that's a journey. Like, that is a narrative that I think is worth telling and worth

Exploring and understanding the before and after of how we got to that point.

We have breaking news, Rob, before we take a break. Are you ready? Yeah, what do we have? Free agent forward, speaking of the cabs, Dean Wade,

Dean Wade for all your accounting needs has agreed to a four year, $39 million deal with the

Philadelphia 76ers. Mike Gansy's first order of business. I'm a complete blend of Philly, I mean, I mean, I need, I need Dean Wade on that wall. Give me Dean Wade. That opens up a little bit of flexibility for the cabs. I'm not sure how much we're doing this on the fly. He's been a really important three and D player for them. Yeah. I'm just going to raise my fingers. Like, okay, like any time the cabs shed a little money and open up a position that like the three,

four and the bronze available, I'm just going to like, I'm just noticing that's all. It's worth noticing. What is it that he's bringing to the sixers, exactly? Like, I'm with you, especially on the direction of Mike Gansy's luggage, maybe. Well,

“I mean, that's important. Like, really, like honestly, a genuinely good, hard working competitive”

defensive player. The three comes and goes can be kind of a zero offensively at times. But I guess they're going to kind of reshuffle their, they're kind of wing and forward rotation around there and try to get a little bit more size. I got to be honest with you. I spend the sixers are in like the bottom 10% of teams. I spend thinking about just because they're in this M. B. George prison for, of their own making for so long. And so, I mean, he fits there. He fits a need.

He fits a need anywhere. But to your point, like, the time that the three-point shot always

seems to go is the playoffs and his minutes often go with it. Okay, but that was breaking news. We got Dean Wade taking care of. Let's take a quick break. There's much more to talk about with Rob Mahoney. All right. The other big piece of news from the last 36 hours that I have not yet waited on the long, John Moran saga in Memphis is over. John Moran has been traded from the

“Grizzlies to the Portland Trailblazers for Jeremy Grant and Chris Murray. The blazers now have”

the following guards on their team. John Moran and Damian Lillard, who, according to Chris Haynes, the plan is to start them together. I would say any plan for next season that exists on June 30th is not really a plan at all. But it's not a good plan either. Well, scoot Henderson and Andrew Holiday are all still here. Danny Obdias still here. An interesting fit to say the least and the end to it era in Memphis, the final sort of player from that court to be traded away. That started with

such promise from like the very first game John Moran played in the NBA or what had been very first where he blocked a Kyrie Irving buzzer beater and just from that point on for the next 24 months, it was just pure electricity and it seemed like not only were they a sure thing to be a sure thing for a long time, but that he was exactly the kind of franchise building block that you wanted. He seemed to care about his teammates. He didn't play selfishly. He played hard. He cut hard.

He enabled and lifted up his teammates and then it all went sideways. They won a grand total of one playoff series in the job Moran era and now there were injuries all the time. They went to the worse in the second round. People were injured including job one. They lost to the lakers and the first round the following year. Their whole big man rotation was pretty much injured but still one playoff series and it's over. Let's start with Portland because obviously

“Memphis was going to dump John Moran. He didn't have a lot of homes for John Moran and I think”

it's of win for them to not have to attach any assets to get John Moran because they took back a contract that Portland was trying to dump in Jeremy Grant. It could also find no other homes for him. But I think it's a win in that sense for the Grizzlies. A lot of scrutiny on Portland in this steel both for basketball fit for cultures fit for the people who remember the jail blasters fit for what is this new owner doing? Why is he doing this fit? Before I share what

I think what's your reaction to this from the blazers perspective? I'm just kind of bummed out like for all the momentum that Portland established last season. This fun up-and-coming team,

this incredible defense, all of everything we saw with Denny Obdi as development, even Scoot

Henderson like popping at moments in the regular season and the playoffs. I was really energized by what they were doing and eager to see you know add a couple pieces add some supporting cast. I like round out your rotation in a way that makes sense. All of that on board. John Moran, they already have as you alluded to a day like their high profile guard that they're trying to fit into this puzzle and make it work, putting another one in just because you can, doesn't strike me as a good

proactive team building. And frankly, with a player like John, I understand the talent play, but there is a tipping point between, oh look how little it took us to get him to, oh my god,

Look how little this team was willing to accept to get off of him because the...

do it. Like as you laid out the Grizzlies story with John, he was like a hero in that city and and for that franchise and he himself caught like cast such a dark shadow over the Grizzlies that they had to move on. They were forced to move on because of his actions and his decision making and frankly, the deterioration of his game. And so like why would you be signing up for that when so many of the indicators within this young roster you have are pointing forward and pointing

towards guys putting things together in their career they never have before and here comes John Moran

to take up oxygen in the room to cast a similar dark shadow to be an impossible fit with game. It just strikes me as like welcoming a huge problem into your team when you would absolutely no reason to do it. The words that I want to focus on that you said were the deterioration of his game and of his health. Yeah. 20 games last year, 50 games, the year before, nine games, year before that obviously there's some off-court circumstances that caused that number to be solo.

61, 57, and on and on. The availability is issued number one. Issue number two is in 20 games last year, he shot 41% in 47% on twos. His rim frequency dropped a little bit in the last

couple of years but not as much as people think. Free throws now and all the stuff that made

John Moran, John Moran, the explosion, the ferocity, not quite there the same way and of course the other parts of his game did not round out at all and technically got worse his three point shooting is plummeted 30% 23% 31 for his career. His defense is a disaster partly due to effort, partly due to his being slight of frame. And so that's that's the more important point for me because for me like is it wrong that I get whatever one is fretting about. All the guard overlap. This team,

the blazers built their feel good season on defense. He does not add to that. They suffered on offense because they had nobody that could shoot. He only exacerbates that problem. He creates a guard

“and glutt. The departure of Grant creates a glutt, a guard and glutt I think I said a glutt at”

guard. Jeremy Grant's departure creates a void at power forward. There's not really a traditional power forward on the team. Too many comrades closing in the rotation. So it's a little bit of an imbalance roster. Danny Obdia needs to ball and needs shooting around him. John Morant is like the opposite of that. Scoot Henderson's development is going to be hindered by this. So I mean, I get all the basketball reasons. I guess I'm just other than that. Misses Lincoln, how was the

pull? Well, here's what I'm going to say. Two years ago, John Morant in 50 games all be at average 23

points and seven assists on 45% shooting and 52% on Tuesdays and he's 26 years old. Here's what I'm going to do for the Blazers. You got six months. I think the Blazers in doing this trade just said to themselves, yes, two years left out of his contract. So it's time marathon contract. It's not out of the trust. Yeah. It's it's it's too enticing an upside bet for us to pass up. Let me give you six months to figure out the rest of your roster because clearly this can't be the endgame with all

these guards. You're not like last year was a feel good season after your coach got removed and

“a gambling probe and all of that. Yeah. I think much in a less rational, more disturbing way than”

the Hornets, they looked at themselves in the mirror and said, I was feel good season. What is an ultimate leading to? We're not going to worry too too much about the present build of this team if we can get a talent like this in the door and just see what the hell happens. And to me, I think I'm focused more on the see what the hell happens part of this than the hero all the downstream effects that could be bad for our team because I can make changes. I can pivot out of

this if it goes badly. To me, it's an up like there's if there's still anything like this borderline all NBA player who has made it all NBA team before in there. I just think you do this trade and figure out the rest later. The off court stuff is also problematic. So I get it. I get all the fretting. I just, I can't get, I can't get that mad at it. I'm sorry. I can't.

“I think if you were a normal basketball player, I would understand where you're coming from. If you were”

just a run of the mill, this is a star guard who can help a team or hurt a team and you can move on depending on what the contract situation is in time, absolutely. But the electricity that he gave the Grizzlies and then the electricity, he sacked out of the entire operation there with his decision making it. It just feels different to me. To me, John Moran is the sort of radio active that he can, it's not like, oh, we're going to either build a team that makes sense or not. Like,

he could blow this whole thing up. Like, he has shown the ability to draw it. I guess I don't agree

With that.

it's not great. That sucks. But I'm going to give them six months to figure out their roster,

figure out if Mike and Norie can reach John Moran. And maybe hope that like some of the shitty defense, the non effort, the attitude issues, the lack of like all out for us to be on offense, was part of just like, I don't want to play for this coach. I don't want to play for this team. This team doesn't want me anymore. And this is the end game that we're in and some injuries.

“And it's maybe it ends up being a disaster. But I think it's worth the risk for a blazer”

team that is still kind of figuring out what they are and given what the price was. Like Jeremy Grant's a solid player. I think he's actually become a little bit underrated. But I'm not that mad at it. But the guy that I am most interested in in all of this is Scoot Henderson. Because that was an interesting last two and a half months of the season. And an interesting start to a playoff series against the team that was wildly better than them than San Antonio Spurs. What was interesting

about Scoot season to me was that he wasn't really playing point guard anymore. I think he averaged like two assists down the stretch of the season and less than that in the playoffs. He was very much playing off, obdia, off holiday. And now would probably play off Damian and Lillard. And again, part of the reason I'm not fretting about the job or anything is that I can't make too many decisions about my team centered around Damian Lillard at age 36 coming

off at a kill East here. Like I don't really care that he's coming back and what his job are going to do about that. But Scoot's development into some sort of like hybrid attacking semi-off ball guard with a decent three point shot was kind of interesting to me and seem to make his life a little easier as he's learning the NBA amid all his injuries. What did you think about his his like last couple months? I went from really wondering how much of a future he would have in

the league as a full-time rotation player to being pretty bought in on the idea of what he could be.

“And I think some of it is is not just playing off ball and the improvement in his shooting alone.”

Like the high water marks for him shooting the three during last season. I think really won me over and made me a believer in what he could become being in the drew holiday school of like this is how you kind of handle the ball kind of

play off of it. This is how you use your strength to your advantage for the first time in your career.

Like I felt you could see some of the influence of having a guy like drew around. We just have to re-contextualize him a little bit from on ball pick and roll heavy prospect as he was slated to be coming into the league into maybe this is more of a hybrid guy. Maybe this is someone who really benefits from having other supplementary ball handlers around him, whether it's Denny driving offense and him drafting off of it, whether it's him attacking from

the second side and being really good at it, like kind of shockingly good at it in certain ways, given how he grew up playing the game. I'm pretty in on scoothender set at this point in a way that if you would told me that a year ago, I simply wouldn't have believed you. I guess what I'm saying is the way he played the last couple of months of the season makes me less worried about integrating another ball dominant player into the players because scoothender soon became much

less of a ball dominant player. In fact, he became a different kind of player than I think anyone envisioned him being. And I'm curious about him because I'm not sure if that was him just queuing to what the team needed him to do or what he needed to do to get minutes on the team or and whether it was like he enjoyed it or whether he's still in addition to himself is no, I am the guy that runs 40 picking rules the game and that's going to be me and I've got to force

my way into that role. To me the Moran thing is worth the risk, I don't really mind it. I think it's Memphis clearly just turns the page moves on and that's that's fine too. I can't believe I've become the guy that's keeping for job Moran and this trade that's like it's not a disaster for the place when when he was good. I mean, he is the kind of guy who makes you believe crazy things about basketball of what a player is capable of of what he can do to rally a team around him

that might be flawed or might not have this or might not have that. You could talk yourself into the Grizzlies like winning some of those series where they were like horribly outmatched in

some cases just based on his, his moxie, his savvy who he was as a playmaker. I think it's always

been a really underrated part of his game. I just think so much of that for me has turned in seeing how bad it gets when it gets bad and just like the way that it took the wind out of the sales of the Grizzlies. I don't know that I'm getting over that so soon and a lot of it to me too is for everything we've said about giving the blazer six months or giving them that kind of

“time frame to regroup and change the structure of their team. John Moran is a player you have to go”

through great lengths to build around. He is not someone who accommodates others very easily like he does need the ball on his hands. He doesn't have a variety of uses like he will make the scoot Henderson tights bend around him. All of that works fine when he is a superstar and it does not work fine when he's just like a guy who is pretty athletic and not getting to the rim as often as you want.

Maybe like this whole idea that they're going to start him in game together i...

Like there's just no way to survive defensively. Are you trying to kill too money tomorrow? Like

genuinely. So I don't know what gives there. Neither of those guys seems willing to raise their seems like likely candidate to be like no six man I'm cool. Like the game is old enough that it's not crazy coming off the injury to suggest that. Maybe also like John just needs to play 25 minutes a game for a little while as he gets his body back under him and that's another solution here. But I would I mean to me Drew Holiday has to start one way or another and someone else has to

come off the bench and Kamara has to start and obviously clinging has to start. Good business bringing Robert Williams back at three years, 44. I thought he was like I'd be outplayed clinging against the spurs of the playoff. So it's generally really good in the regular season. How many players do we just say have to start? Like that's too much. Five, five, five. Just like it's difficult. That's all. And then Shane and Sharp is like whoa. Is the new coach going to play me at all

in the playoffs if we get there again? And I make $20,000,000 a year for the next four years. I hope I'm part of this too. It's a weird mix but I'm okay with I mean Portland, it's a good place to be weird. But sticking other quick break and we'll wrap up with some some other business. All right. I know you wanted to talk Boston a little bit. Portland has been rumored as a

“potential jail in Brown destination for a while. I think most of that was theoretical. I”

theoretically pitched the three team trade where Boston would get Janice Portland would get jail in Brown and Milwaukee would get assets from both of them, including the picks, the bucks, picks, the Portland still owns now. The reporting on Portland and jail in Brown has been all over the place. My best reporting has been that they're not really involved, but I'm not a 100 percent sure of that in this is lying season. But that's where I would lean. I discussed Boston at

length with a Michael Pena two days ago that I think they're kind of stuck with a bunch of offers that they don't consider good enough. I just know you wanted to talk a little bit about jail in Brown. So say your piece. Honestly it was less jail in Brown and you raised I thought some interesting Celtics hypothetical. Some what-ifs about their recent history that I wanted to dig into. Can we go forward? Yeah sure we can do that. So you put two what-ifs to me that I've been kind of

stewing on and I have been able to knock out of my brain. This is related to be clear. I forgot that I'd say yes. But this is related to the jail in Brown situation which is very clearly gone sideways on the Celtics since he was out there in Janice. They didn't get the honest deal done.

“And I've spent a lot of time thinking about like what what like why has this gone so sideways?”

And these are two what-ifs that I propose to you. So go ahead. I will say one of them I think leads us to a pretty similar place to where we are now. And that's what if Boston just won games seven against Philly? Like that one I don't think changes a ton. Like where do you see the division point if they had won that series? Do you think that men's enough fences do you think that suits enough egos where jail and Brown is still a Celtic?

Well a couple of things about that. I pitched that as of what if only because it was so despairing how they collapsed against Philadelphia. And they were so exposed as the team that was too thin, small, talent deficient on the front line. That it raised a bunch of emergency

level questions. Questions that were always hovering in the background that became like embarrassing

emergencies. And one of the remedies was let's try to go get Yannis. And this is the only really way we can do it. If they squeak that series out and lose to the Nixon's six games does this

“feel different. Does it feel like lesser than emergency? Now I think your counter is going to be”

all evidence suggests that the Nixon not going to be the Celtics in six games. They're going to blow the shit out of them in five games. Five at best. Specifically, I think we had seen enough evidence and enough like forward progress with cats rolled development already to that point in the Atlanta series that I think he would have created real problems for Boston if they were to meet. And I do think five might have been likely and really it just might have been similarly

disappearing in a way to just get wiped off the floor by a next team that had so much going for it already. We also don't know like this Tatum play at all in that series of hard to play games seven

that's the other way. And the other way if I gave you was what if Tatum just never gets hurt and they

lose the next series in 2025 in which they look like they were going to do they were about to go down three one. So Tatum stays healthy. They lose the series in six games. What like I just wonder like what is the Jalen Brown never gets the taste of being the guy in the disputably, but they still lose the series. They still come into this season with some apron issues with some

Question marks all the same all the same sort of salary trimming moves might ...

What is like where are we now? I don't that's a fascinating what I don't know the answer to that.

“That one kind of broke my brain because yeah I think so many of their financial decisions were”

rooted in Jason Tatum is not going to play any way. So we can trade your holiday and cut me with Chris that's forcing us and lose our whole food and we're just going to try to turn the page. The way I remember it was so much of that apron conversation was about okay they're probably going to have to make a choice between either Drew or Chris that's forcing us, but they might have the opportunity to keep one of them. Pre-injury, pre-injury, pre-injury and then in this

hypothetical of Jason Tatum doesn't get injured and it's like if they keep let's say Chris have sports in guess if he says healthy or they're able to convince Alhor for to come back either one then it's like Namesh Kata doesn't have a big breakout year. If they keep through holiday just Derek White not get overexposed offensively in the way that he did over the course of that season and so there's all with these like downstream effects of little success

like Peyton Pritchard is more of a six-man in a traditional sense than he ended up being for that Celtic's team like that's something you can't quite put back in the box either. There are so many younger guys who ended up having like you know like the Yannis trade conversations pivoting on whether Baylor Shireman was available is predicated on Baylor Shireman playing enough to be

“important enough to the Celtics to prove something in the first place and so it's like I don't”

even know where we are if Jason Tate of doesn't get hurt in that series. Where we are now is a very uncomfortable position for Boston and everyone is already discussed this to death of are they going to just have to get everyone in a room and hash it all out and bring them back but because by the way this is a proven championship caliber duo and we know that it works despite the fact that it's gotten a little uncomfortable right now and I just have reached the point

where I legitimately don't know what's going to happen because I don't know what the jail and brown team is. Teams keep falling away because they've moved on and pivoted to other things. Deals keep falling away like the Yannis deal escapes Boston. I know some teams that were interested that are no longer interested for various reasons. I know some teams that I thought could theoretically be interested have the assets to be interested that for various

reasons like Houston for instance appear to not be and never have really been. So I just

like don't even know what the team is right now for jail and brown. We mentioned Portland before. Wendy was on TV today. On ESPN mentioned in Cleveland which has been something that's been mentioned over and over again including by me and he was thinking about he was he was saying you know mobile he has been the piece that would have to move just there's no real other realistic way to do it. I've said over and over like Cleveland is not doing that.

Cleveland is aware that that possibility exists and haven't done it.

“Wendy's point was if mobile-free for jail and brown entices LeBron and that's why the”

Dean Wade thing made me just you know take note okay so maybe I spin it that I'm trading mobile-free for both of those guys but then I have Donovan Mitchell James Harden, LeBron James jail and brown and it just that that feels almost like fantasy land to me. Is there a jail and brown angle that you you like or you've seen or a team that's out there that you don't think is gotten it's due like Denver's been the wild card and I've talked about them already. I don't know

what that deal looks like quite yet but I don't know anything strike your fancy. I like the Denver conversation because I think that that team does have to do something really radical. I think they had such like a wakeup call on the playoffs that just rolling it back and presuming everything can be okay if Peyton Watson is healthy is like not nearly enough to rectify what's going on there so I would love to see them getting interested in that conversation. I still like Atlanta

as a possibility and the trade package would have to be a little more elaborate and frankly it might be impossible now that Jonathan Kominga's salary is off the books but that was one I was

always daydreaming about. Yeah without Kominga and obviously it's not going to be jail and Johnson.

It's got to be Dyson Daniels plus a lot of stuff plus picks and the Celtics are probably going to want the a lot of stuff to include Zachary Ricochet because he's in a former number one overall pick and that's sexy but they're also probably going to be like but he's also been kind of a bus so we need Nikhilogs and her walker too and it just gets a little clunky. But this is the problem as you're alluded to like teams are dropping out not just because they've started to move on but

because some of these options have swung one way or another with teams and players and now the salary math doesn't really make sense in the way that it did a week or two ago. It's hard to trade guys to make $60 million a year and are not one of the five best players in the league. It's just hard to do. One deal that has been mentioned another piece of news today. The jail and during situation into Troy has gotten interesting in a way that was entirely predictable after he kind of

crapped the bed in the playoffs. I don't think we've ever seen a player eligible for a rose rule 30 percent max extension on a team that was like that's we're not going near that and it was very

Predictable to see this happen.

with teams with cap space. He wants to meet the kings. The kings are like someone wants to be with us.

What a delight. Me, really. And the lakers who have cap space as well for potential sign-in trade situations. It was floated that Domana Sibonus would be going back to Detroit. I don't think

“anyone who is interested in that. Here's my read on this. I think Detroit is so far”

pretty unruffled about this. I think they're like this is cool. Like you guys are doing all the leverage stuff. This is just like restricted for agency 101. Yes, what? You want to have a sign-in trade. Guess who has to cooperate in the sign-in trade? We do. We're not going to. So you can go get all the deals you want. We're not going to participate in them. The wild card is the offer sheet. And I'm not sure who the offer sheet team would be. The nets still have a ton of cap space.

Sure. The lakers are obviously the team that has a lot of cap space. It could make it hurt.

The rules still have like 30 million in cap space. That's enough to make it hurt.

I think Detroit is just sitting back here and being like, "work cool." And that's like, I mentioned Jalen Brown because there's been this idea. Could we solve all these problems with the Jalen Durin, Jalen Brown, sign-in trade, mega trade? I don't see that happening either. I don't think the pistons are ready to just upend what they've got going on and Kate and Jalen Durin are very close. My assumption is this is all going to be sound and fury,

signifying nothing and he's going to go back to the pistons on a deal that he's probably not psyched about. They're probably not psyched about. That's the way it goes. But the offer sheet lurking teams don't really do this to other teams as much as they used to where. They're just like, oh, here, poison pill, everything bad, trade kicker, every shortest possible contract. Here you go, match that. But it could happen. It could. I mean, yeah, the playbook is all of those things.

Like a three-year deal with a player option at the end. So it barely guarantees anything. It's probably the structure with as much money as you can throw into that thing. The Gordon Hay Gordon Hay was to Charlotte. Exactly. In this case, I will believe it when I see it. I just think the math is tough for a lot of these teams. The sign-in trade is almost a necessary

“mechanic for some of the candidates we've talked about. And for Jalen Durin, I think it's okay to”

come off of an absolute disaster of a playoff run and be squeezed a little bit. That feels like a reasonable exchange of, yeah, you end up in some kind of sweet spot where the trade isn't thrilled, as you said. But it would be so much worse to come out of this with dramatically overpaying Jalen Durin, based off of what we just saw in the postseason, that have some hurt feelings on both sides. And so far, Detroit was on my list with Minnesota and Denver is sort of the most

interesting wild cards of the offseason. Minnesota certainly went wild. Yeah. And Denver still could. Detroit is really the sum total of what they've done so far as salary dump Isaiah Stewart, draft the accordion, and then Resign Kevin Herder and Adized Joe Shooters, which obviously, I think puts a little bit of question where Duncan Robertson's fit on this team is and he has a

“very lightly guaranteed contract for next year. I think the Herder one in particular felt like”

and Grant and Kevin Herder shooting has not been. No. It's another level. It's another level as a

shooter and was like essential for them the entire season and doubly so in the playoffs. Yes,

but does a team have room for all three of those guys? I don't know. But the big move hasn't happened and by the way Tobias Harris is still a free agent. They have his bird rights. I think they have some interest at some price point and bringing him back. Yeah. I would be a little disappointed as the wrong word. Just a little surprise if Detroit came out of this offseason, looking like more or less the same as they did after last season. Would you or am I just like

their young enough? It doesn't matter. I would be too. I mean, that was the argument we're having all throughout last season. It was this is a team that is winning a ton of games that feels rock solid in certain ways, but also has clear, definable needs. Will they preempt those needs or will they go through the process of kind of exposing them in the postseason as many young teams do? They got exposed. All the needs are laid very bare for not just them to feel and experience and chase after,

but for the rest of the league to see it and acknowledge. So if not now, it would have to happen at some point in the season. Like you got to start pushing chips and picks and, you know, Ron Holland's off your bench. If you can find takers for him or people who are excited about his future, there has to be something to string together here to get a wing or a forward that actually makes the team feel more cohesive. TBD, I'll give them some time. Obviously,

Free agency just started.

despite this dirt and thing getting kind of spicy. Okay, I'm assuming you don't have much to say

about Julian Champagne three years, 45 million to the spurs. Thumbs up. Absolutely thumbs up. We

have four extra Champagne around here. Bowen's Island going back to Minnesota, probably. I don't know if it's a minimum, but it's not going to be much fine. Usman Jang three years, 17.5 to Milwaukee. I like the way he finished the season. Sam, he hasn't been mentioned in the like Aaron Wiggins, Isaiah Joe, salary casualties of the thunder, but he was quite good for the bucks last year. Speaking of that, I haven't spent much time at all on Isaiah Hardinstein coming back three years,

75, and Lou Dort's option being picked up for this coming season, which feels both interesting,

“maybe ominous, maybe not. It does, and then they, I think they release Kendrick, Ken Rich Williams,”

but there's a possibility they can bring him back on the minimum. All of this was like exactly

the playbook that I outlined in others outlined for how can Oklahoma City sniffed the second apron,

maybe dodged it eventually, certainly cut hundreds of millions of dollars from its tax bill and remain competitive. Joe out, Wiggins out, Ken Rich out, or at least at this number, Isaiah Hardinstein back, Dort back. No notes. I think it's exactly what I expected. It's expensive, guess what, being a championship team is expensive. Mitchell Robinson is Mitchell Robinson. He's the second apron piece for the next. They're either going to have to decide we're going

over this year and trying to get back under it next year, which is going to be really hard and less cat takes a pay cut, but boy, boy, Mitchell Robinson can feel like a luxury sometimes, the minute he plays and all that, he's really, really good. It's interesting though that Portland was a team that was in on him. Yeah. I'm Lord, they're out now, but he'll still have suitors for sure.

“As he should, yeah, I think this one is vital, not just in a keep the good, like the good”

energy going and bring back the championship team, but you're right, like they are kind of compromised without him structurally. Like he's so important to them in terms of his rebounding, it's so important to them in terms of like the way the specific way he spells cat while challenging teams in totally different ways. That's not something I ever turned my nose up at and if all it's going to take you is more money and decrease flexibility, like you just keep Mitchell Robinson

and you figure out the rest later. I agree. And that just brings us to the last sort of major item of the day and I'm not talking about the meds giving up it inside the park home run on the first bat or the game either day, just the most embarrassing thing. This is a little one, but it's interesting. Tim Hardaway Jr. is signed with the heat tonight. One year, six and a half million dollars. So they dipped into their mid-level exception. They brought back our guys some

one if on tech you. Hey, they take off the bench. They are now like, I don't know, I'll just

ballpark it like 10 million under the first apron in that they are hard cap there because of the

honest trade, which means Norman Powell is definitely out. There's an old Norman Powell return

“that's happening. And so he becomes an interesting part. I don't know what his home is. I think”

he has a home. I just don't know what it is. I mean, is there still room for him to be a piston potentially? Sure. I guess the pistons have a ton of flexibility. And so that this is where we are then with the the heat. We need to redo the heat depth chart post you on a straight in all this because Norman Powell was sort of wrongly I think penned in as a starter and now it's like not there. I would put their starting line up as Davian Mitchell, Pella Larson, Andrew Wiggins, Yannis Bam.

Makes sense. Which leaves me off the bench, Drew Smith, Tim Hardaway Jr, Fantecchio, Yolvich, Portis, obviously I can stagger minutes and Wiggins by the way came back on an opted-in and then signed a two-year deal for much less money it appears than he was making. And then I've got my own gardener and Pashad Johnson possibly in some other pieces to play with. And they'll fill up there's other minimum guys coming and ring chasing guys coming and buy

out guys coming. Is that team good enough? No. Honestly, weirdly enough, one of the spots that makes me oddly nervous is the Drew Smith spot where Davian Mitchell's been really solid for them. Drew Smith is coming off of really the only healthy season he's ever had as a professional basketball player and even then I think he's okay. And this is a team that I think could really use a little bit of guard flexibility. Pella Larson, a great connector, a really good fluid player

for their system, makes it ton of sense. But I would feel better about them if they had one more guard option. I felt really solid about and they just do not have that right now. Tim Hardaway Jr doesn't do it for you coming off of borderline six minute of the year campaign. He was quite good. But I think I'm speaking more like a ball handling capacity than just a pure kind of like gunner shooter. I think he's a good get for them. Yeah. There's more coming

To me like Drew Smith, Simone Fontechio, as much as we love him, Rob and Yolv...

air exposure, unplayable in games that mattered and the play in games and all that. He just decided you guys are good enough to be on the floor. So that's three of the five guys that we just said we're coming off to bench for the heat. We're very recently rendered, unplayable. Well, can I push back on that point, give in the change in circumstance? Is that any different in a world where jannis is going downhill 20 times at game where all of a Simone Fontechio is like,

okay, this is a different thing than putting him around the blender system we already had. Yeah, that's a very fair point. I just like penciling them in his rock solid bench contributors

on like a team with championship aspirations is I kind of, and I've always been high on Yolvich

clearly a higher on Yolvich than Spolster is because he doesn't play on. And Portis, the defensive decline has been pretty real. He's still a really good shooter on long twos and threes. I'm interested to see if they play him with BAM and Yannis together, which is a kind of look that Milwaukee did not do much of, but their version involved Brooklyn Lopez who's obviously

“much slower of foot and less switchable than BAM and Yannis are. So I think that's worth looking at.”

And I think they'll still obviously do some things, but it's a team that you know, you make this trade for Yannis who's trying to win the championship. I'm not really sure I see it yet, but especially like the East is every playoff series in the East is going to be hard. Like being a top six team in the East is going to be hard. Yeah, I don't see any either, but I do think they are close enough that you can see the gaps in the rotation and think,

okay, if they could just swing a trade for this kind of player, if they can just get, it was win shooting, honestly. And I think Tim Hardaway Jr certainly helps with that. Simone Fonteckio, if he plays, bringing him back helps with that,

God knows they needed to keep Andrew Wiggins who just as a two-way guy is really critical for them.

But if they can get one more big, they trust in big-time games and one more ballhandler,

“they trust to be a real rotation player. I think it's coming together in a pretty compelling way.”

I stick by what I said right after the honest trade. Despite my concerns about their viability as a real true blue title contender yet, anyway, I still think the risk was worth it, because the present day situation was going nowhere, and I'm not sure what other star was going to become available in the near future who was younger than Yannis as good as Yannis, fit them better than Yannis. So I get, I think the opportunity cost was a little bit less painful

for them, given that one potential path just staying, the course, was not going to lead to

anything real until they found another star down the line. So I think it ultimately is worth it.

There'll be a good team. It's just hard for me to see like full playoff series worth the greatness. I think it would be tough. One thing I do want to hit though, because I feel like when we talk about the fit with Yannis, a lot of the focus is on, okay, what are the ways this is going to be difficult or challenging or spatially complicated? That's all going to be there. Him and Bam in particular, they're going to have to figure it out. Bam is going to have to be

probably an even better shooter in some ways, or else they're going to have to put them in different spots on the floor. It's also been a minute since Bam has had a real non-tiler hero style star that makes his life easier. And his job for the heat has been make everyone else's life easier. Like, right, move around the floor, facilitate these guys. We're going to put you here. We're going to move you up. We're going to make you a handoff guy. Now you're not, now you're a spacer.

I mean, I can't wait to see a version of Bam. They get to play off of someone like Yannis, even with all those considerations, even with the challenge. Just Yannis attracts so much attention. And Bam is a guy who, if you give him any space, if you give him any flow or momentum,

“can do so much with it. I think that part of his game is really going to thrive. Even if he's”

going to figure out how to navigate some tight spaces along the way. Well, as you know, I am the driver of the Bamwagon. So any time, I'm tired of people coming into this podcast, Rob, and tell me about when's Bam going to average 25 points game? Bam can't be a guy that you depend just throw the ball to and score like Charles Barkley and Bam can't do this. I'm glad to finally have someone who comes on and says, hey, here's all the things that Bam

can do pretty well. How about everything? How about every single thing? He's like, pretty good at it. He might not be as great at the scoring part as you want him to be, but the heat of Ask him to basically play a point, center, jump shooting guy, do everything that on offense with this weird personnel around you and we're going to change the system every year. And now we don't run any pick and rolls, but now we run a ton of pick and rolls. Now we run

none that we play turbo fast. And by the way, one thing, we have to stop doing this. In the wake of the honest trade, I saw in real places, not fantasy land, like blogs about well, well, let's

Look, we know from you, we are of blogs.

that. That is quite crazy. I saw it written and said on airwaves that the heat had the best offense

in franchise history and the number one scoring offense in the NBA, and they were adding Janice and thus we're going to just blow the doors off everybody. How are we still, how is any segment of speaking, written, verbal, basketball, media still so dumb as to not just say the heat were in average offense last year. Their pace was obscuring, the fact that they were 13 to offensive. Like, people talk about this heat team, especially locally, like, they're this offensive

juggernaut. They were in average offensive team. They'll be better with Janice, but they're not adding Janice to the 2017 warriors in just like, come on. I don't know where, oh, bam. Thank you for installing the virtues of the band. How about you, you're the full crum of our entire offense, and please guard everybody on defense on every single possession, and then score 83 points against

“the hapless Washington wizards. Super easy stuff to do. But yeah, I think, especially with”

Janice teammates, there's such a focus on like shooting, shooting, shooting, like, how do we

space the floor for this guy? It's clearly a critical component. I just think if you are, as you

alluded to, B plus or A minus it, basically, every other part of the game, you do so many things to make winning around Janice possible that I'm not worried about that part of the shooting. I just want to see it from the Tim Hardaway and Simone Fontecchio types. The last thing on Hardaway is, it's like, it's not a meaningless loss for Denver, not at all. Who also declined a team option on jail and pick it over the weekend, and so have like almost no guards on the team, other than Jamal Murray and kind of

Christian Brown and maybe Julian Strother, Christian Brown who was bad, like just really bad last season. They don't, they didn't draft anyone, like literally no one. They have Spencer Jones and Peyton Watson among their free agents. They just don't like have a lot of players on their team, and they have this Yokech thing, which, you know, he's not signing his extension yet. I said the other day, I think it's mostly nothing but not like 100% nothing. It has, it can't just be

dismissed as completely nothing. I think he's going to be a nugget for life. He said he's going to be a nugget for life, but this is not one of the situations where everyone knows it makes more sense from the way to year for whatever financial reason. I just can't wait to see what they're going to do because they have to do something and it has to be a meaningful shake up to their team. And it may also have to involve cutting money because that's just how they operate. And it may also have to

involve the assumption that, hey, I know Aaron Gordon is a critical component of our team and I am

like Aaron Gordon fanboy number one. I'm not sure I can count on him to be healthy for a full playoffs like ever again. How do I deal with that? It's just like losing team hardaway junior is not nothing for this team. I also I understand why you're saying they made also have to cut money

“as part of that process because that's how they operate. I just don't want to excuse it. Like that”

is a realist perspective on what the Denver nuggets do, but it also doesn't have to be that way. Like they could pay more. They could invest more in the team. They could not cut corners. That's just what they do. And it sucks that that is a part of the calculus, but welcome to Denver nuggets basketball. I mean, they're roster right now is Yokech Murray, Gordon, Cam Johnson, presumed salary dumpy. Yes. Still a good player, by the way. Like disappointing last

year in Denver, but like I'd like to see it again. I'd like to get a year of comfort. Even as moments in the playoffs, too. Christian Brown, you're on this balance unit's non-guarantee contract may play in Europe next season according to some reports. Probably cut. Zeknaji somehow still not traded. Julian Strother, Dairon Holmes. That's it. That's their whole roster right now. Time to build out a team around, you know, one of the best players of his generation,

both three time MVP, finals MVP, but they did win a championship and it's good that you got one. They got the one and it hadn't gone great since then, but I grew with Yokech and frankly,

“like this is something you should do. If you're a player in his position, there are a couple”

ways that you can really leverage your power to put pressure on the organization to build around you and the ways that you might like. And I don't know if you're, if you're in a cool Yokech, how could you look at the Denver nuggets and say, this is good enough for me to just sign up, site unseen on a version of the team that is not going to look like this in a year or two years. Like you want to see movement. You want to see growth. You want to see not only the

Peyton Watson's brought back, but some creative like management of the cap and creative management of the roster in terms of turning these into players that make sense for whatever the next version of the team is going to be. They're just not there right now. Like this can't be enough. Let's wrap real quickly. We gave the Clippers present and future a little bit of short tripped. Because it's really a total start over for them. Like I don't think Brandon and I

Graham is going to be a long-term clipper.

sniff around offers for him. And we're down to Daria Scarland, Derek Jones Jr. Brooklyn Lopez is still here. Chris Dunn is still here. They just resigned Kobe Sanders on a four-year, 12-ish

million dollar deal, which I like. Greatie Dick. They just acquired. I mean, Lopez and Derek Jones

are, you know, whatever. They're not part of the next great Clippers team, literally. And keep him woglar. They just drafted number five. I don't, and obviously they're going to have all the Catholics ability in the world to chase star free agents going forward with the inner wit dome and Los Angeles, everything that they stand for. I'm waiting for one more name that I don't know what is injury status is, but to me is a core part of their teonic. Yeah. Conan Eater has her. Like that

awesome. Good. Really good. And they're going to have infinite cap space to think about cap spaces. We haven't seen teams just like lure the two star free agents together kind of thing in quite

“a while. And you need to have good players in the door to do it. They don't control their picks”

in either the next three years. The 27 is swapped with Oklahoma City, 28 goes to Philadelphia. Be a hard-entrade. 29 is swapped with Philadelphia. Be a the same trade. Now they have all these extra picks that are very valuable. It's really a stunning level of like blank slate at this point. I mean, I know Garland is made at all starting, but he really has to rehab his value. Yannick Conan Eater has her is is a very, very good prospect. And so is Keaton Wawgler.

And other than that, I'm like, well, okay, we'll see you a great addictive brings you to Kobe Sanders. Looks like an interesting role player. It's kind of a stunning like, whoo. It's all cleared out now. Yeah. I think, I'm going to talk about the quiet part of that return. To me, the James Harden one is is really the crown jewel of this sort of like reboot is the way that he was able to come to the clippers, bring ability to his own career to be fair. Play some really good

“basketball for them during his stint and turn into the kind of player who they could actually get”

things for on the way out, gave them an exit ramp that I didn't know existed for the Paul George Kawai Leonard era. Like the fact that that turned into something that was a real mechanism for forward momentum and improvement, they needed that. They need that really desperately. And to get this full hall of picks that gives you so much to work with as you try to figure out what to do with all these pieces. It's really all you can ask for to be in this situation, given aspiration, given the

injuries given Paul George is just like general whole state. It beats a zoo box is really like the one piece that they elected to move that they probably didn't need to to refresh. But even then

they're not getting an incredible return for him. It feels really like not that on go pre-COVID

that we all woke up at three in the morning to this just earth shattering earthquake of news, Kawaii and Paul George go at the clippers and now it's all over and the raptors are back as a legit, you know, threat to win the East, threat to really go on a deep playoff run, we'll see. Good deal for that. Ramahoni, you got group chat coming up this week before the holiday weekend, what else? We got the prestige chief of Paul at humming along, covering Cape Fear right now,

but I'm going to be honest. My eye is on the NBA. It's so active right now. It's so insane. We got quite Leonard trades just kind of manifesting out of thin air. I have no TV shows to talk about with you. I'm out of TV shows right now, but yeah, it's NBA time. Are you going to will I see you in

“Las Vegas? I think I'm actually going to skip this year and it is heartbreaking to me, but I am one of the”

few remaining summer league devotees that actually does love being out there in the desert for as long as they'll have me, but just wasn't meant to be for the future. You will probably, you will prime my biggest trip from my cold dead. My actually my sweaty gross hands out in Las Vegas. I love Vegas. I love Vegas in the summer. I might even hit top golf this year. Thanks bud. I'll see you soon. Listen to Rob on group chat, prestige TV, talking about art and whatever is going on on television.

Except for in season three coming in twenty thirty one. One of these days when it comes out. Thanks Rob. Thanks Zach. All right. That's it for this edition of the Zack low show. Thank you

to Rob Mahoney. Thank you to Jonathan Billy, Mike and Mike on production. As always, thank you to

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"Very good, very good, very good.

"And I'm eager to see him back in a Raptor's uniform.

"I think it's fair.

I don't know like I don't know that Kawai like if you're the six or sure like...

Do you feel like he is as important to this version of the team as he was to ...

Unquestionably yes for me.

They're going to meet with a lot of centers, jail and durn of support to be t...

Value.

There's, I don't think that Team is a title contender.

Exploring and understanding the before and after of how we got to that point.

Look how little this team was willing to accept to get off of him because the...

With that.

Maybe like this whole idea that they're going to start him in game together i...

Question marks all the same all the same sort of salary trimming moves might ...

Predictable to see this happen.

Free agency just started.

To me like Drew Smith, Simone Fontechio, as much as we love him, Rob and Yolv...

Look, we know from you, we are of blogs.

Graham is going to be a long-term clipper.

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