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“sixers with out Joelle and bead, OGN, and it will be pulled up with some hamstring”

issue or leg issue late in the game. We'll talk about the impact of that. San Antonio blows the doors off the timber wolves in game two to even up that series. I owe to soon we've got hurt again, and was not quite ant and we'll talk about, you know, how that series moves forward back to Minnesota for games three and four.

Who do we like? And that series I picked spurs and six. I'm sticking with spurs in six in that one. Quicky previews of tonight's games, cabs, pistons show me game for the cabs. Show me something because your offense was a mess in game one and Detroit kind of eaked it

out at the end. Good effort. Of course by the pistons. Thunderlakers went a lot like Thunderlakers was expected to go in game one. Do they have any hope?

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How are you? I'm doing great, Zackl. I'm on your side of the country. I'm on the East Coast. Welcome.

Welcome. We like Avenue. Welcome to the worst sports time zone of all four time zones. Oh my god. This is a bottle.

Yeah.

“I think everybody who lives in LA should have to do like two weeks in New York watching”

sports. They feel like what we feel. It's not good for sleep. All right. Let's start.

Nick's sixers. Well, I hope to sixers fans enjoyed the like 72 hours where they got to see their team playing to its full potential because Joell and Beat was out for game two. With a melody, an endless series of melodies linked to he got hit. It's a lot of stuff.

You got nailed on the screen after having to go ahead and decide it's like I'm not blaming. I mean, it's just out. And this was the fear all along, obviously, that could he hold up for two series, three series, particularly once we got going every other day, gutted it out in game one.

I suppose there's a case to be made that the sixers should have just punted that game from the beginning. And that's that's an easier case to make in fantasy land than it is in real life. It's hard to look your team in the eye and be like, you know, well, we're just not going to really try that hard to win this game.

And then they did punt it when it got out of control. Good showing. I thought for the sixers last night, Maxi came out with the right mentality that guy was just hunting every kind of opportunity. There was to score.

He understood. He needed to spark his team played pretty good defensively. So the whole team did, they had great minutes from Dom Barlow as a stopgap center when all of their centers got in foul trouble. Everyone was in foul trouble.

Mitchell Robinson was also out in this game. There was a lot of hook party. I just, I do wonder if it's, it's 930 in the morning right now. We won't know about OGN and Obi's hamstring thing. He pulled up with about three minutes to go sat on the left defense for the rest of the

game. Obviously, you had hamstring issues in the playoffs two years ago. This is not then totally different next team. Everybody on that team was hurt by the end. Everybody else is pretty healthy.

I mean, Mitchell Robinson was an illness last night.

“But I do wonder, Mo, if the single most important thing that happened last night was”

depending on the MRI results, OGN and Obi's hamstring injury. Because not a stretch to say he has been the best player on the nicks in the playoffs. And like one of the five to ten best players in the NBA in the playoffs.

on threes, 67% on twos, and you saw in this game, if cat continues to commit dumb

“fouls and illegal screens, we're going to see OGN and Obi as a backup center.”

He's a wild card. If Mbid gets healthy in this series to guard Mbid now and then. Every time the sixers and it hasn't been very many times have tried to put their centers on him and cross match like that. He has burned them with pick and pop threes and drives to the rim.

He beat DJ Edgecomb on its switch, just bullied him. So he's beating mismatches that way. Just like there's the nicks have a lot of really good wings. No one quite like him and we'll see how long he's out for. If it were Mimo, I'm the luxury of a two-o lead.

I'm soft pedaling this and giving him as much rest as possible.

“I should feel pretty confident that I can win one of two in Philly, particularly with”

Mbid status on certain even if he plays like let's go out one of two and try to wrap this up in five or six. I actually think they could plausibly win the East without OGN and Obi, the way that Cleveland and Detroit have kind of had to go out their respective games, but boy, would they miss his size against Cleveland who plays two bigs to start and finish a lot of game so less

so finishing and Detroit who absolutely kicked the shit out of the nicks in the regular seasons. You need all the physicality you can get. So I just think any analysis of game two has to start with knock on Woodford, Ian and Obi because the nicks are looking like a worthy final steam right now could still make

it without him, but if he's out for like the playoffs, which I hope not and you just never

know what these things could be like a game it could be two weeks it could be a month. I do think the finals if they were to get there, that's when you would just be like, oh okay now it's we're upping a level and we really do need him. The thing that's brutal about it because like you lay out the numbers even when he comes back, what is he gonna come back at, right and that's something that's really concerning

because he's been not just even the most consistent nuclear, he's been the guy you could count on every night on both ends of the floor and the way that he's provided for this next game and being able to spread the floor like you said with the shooting numbers are just absolutely absurd and it's such a killer sort of situation when you when you saw

him pull up and it be honest like I missed it at first I had to go back and catch it

but when you saw him pull up it was just like oh man that's not good does he try to cut it out for the rest of that possession I mean he tried to dunk on it was a drumman who was he was trying to dunk all right there he misses the dunk but it was a and then it comes back down and then he just immediately knew I've done I got to get out and I think that's a brutal possession and and positioned to be in with the next because you said they

don't have anybody like him off the bench I mean just even body type right like they become immediately a smaller team the moment he's not available you know honestly the closest guy they have is D.O.R.A who had really nice moments for them in the regular season I if I'm like brown like I'm not averse to giving D.O.R.A shot to just like put him on the floor see how he looks he's got size he shot the three pretty well but yeah

I mean he's a rookie unproven whatever like yes and very few teams have anybody like O.D.

“I mean that's why the next trade did so much stuff to get him yeah and I think it's it's”

really going to be an important one going through I'm with you I actually don't think I think they can pull out one of the next two games in Philly you know with with what they have I don't need to worry about them for the next two games like get get yourself right and let's see where we're at and if I can win the series without him like that's a massive win for them right obviously they get the kind of rest him a little bit more it's the next round and where I'm worried because

of the physicalities going to ramp up even more especially if it's the pistons that move on and you have to deal with their sort of just bruising mentality I that's where I'm concerned it was the biggest story of the night life there's no way to look at it when you you see his importance and his value to this team it just crushes you when he's not going to be available when you your chances are our lower because like they did look like a champion contender not

like they look like you know this is a team that legitimately has a chance to take on anybody in the West with the way they've been playing the past few games like they were blowing everybody out the door out the ship you know before game two like I'm pretty bummed that he went down yeah you know it's it's interesting I've been thinking a lot about this I picked the next to make the finals before the season and you are I am many of us are trapped in this mental

the varsity conference champion and it's gonna be ugly from there and I don't think it's like I agree if it spurs our thunder you know the snakes did beat the thunder in a high profile Kia Sprite pool and weedier Taco Bell Emirates Cup finals game that was a big spotlight game but if it's one of those two teams the next even if full health would be underdogs particularly against the thunder defending champions still haven't lost the game in the playoffs but like matchups are funny

things and you get into a series and maybe you find something that you didn't anticipate that's an advantage that the other team didn't even anticipate and you start yanking on that a little bit

and like you steal one of the first two games so short series like you get one kind of random fluke

win one win when you play out of your mind and like all of a sudden your two wins from the title the pages were a huge underdogs last year they almost won it's just it's one series anything

“can happen and I think the mix have shown enough and there are strange enough matchup with”

cat at the five if you can ever stop fucking fouling everybody's versus the and then they can flip to the double big and they throw the Mitchell Robinson ingredient out there. Bronson's a strange player undersized sure but he's like a tough he's he's tough to grasp defensively and their defenses like a proven thing now I mean this has been a top eight defense for a long time they've been sensational on the playoffs they've been sensational in this series I don't think that's an

impossible hill to climb for the fully healthy next obviously they have to get there but they

would find a way to be in those games and so you just knock on wood like I would love it by the end that today it's whatever the lowest grade of the lowest thing is it's 10 days to two weeks take it slow get out of this series and move on because I do think even if I'm being placed the rest of the series which we don't know four out of five is going to be a tall order for Philly even with three of the five games in Philly. It's like if the one thing I kind of thought

put the nicks in a tough position in this game part of it was the nature of finding out day of that it beats out it took a target off the floor for them right like they went the way Bronson attacked them in game one like he absolutely killed it my my podcast partner Jared do upset me this from game one you know 27 pick and rolls in bead was involved involved in and the nicks had a 1.62 points per position you know including past the passes on those on

“that like that target kind of was taken off for the nicks a little bit and I think you know if”

in bead comes back it's almost like cool like you could see Bronson sort of just rubbing his hands ready to go back to work right off the bat in that instance so I think that's going to be something that even if in bead comes back I'd be worried about if I was Philly. At the same time like

I had this discussion with Bill after in beads first playoff game back where it was like a

little tough integrating him and Maxie got lost and he floated the are they better without in bead thing I'm like it knows they're not and and I think yes they attacked him be to ton in the pick and roll and had great success in the first game um you saw last night that without that segment of their offense the nicks can just load up on everything else so they're blitzing every Maxie pick and roll where he tries to hunt Bronson and saying to the sixers go ahead like

Kelly Ubra you want to play four on three and a demo on his under the rim we don't think you can beat us and their rotations were like wildly on point last night the nicks defense um even when they've just ran straight pick and roll with like barlow or bono at center blitz and like okay Dom Barlow you're just like fresh into the game you want to play four on three good luck and he fumbled one pad you like fumbled the ball and then through a pass out of bounds and the nicks were flying

everywhere and if you freeze those it does look like oh there's a sixer over there open but when you freeze it you're you're missing the speed of what's going on in real time and how that nicks defender is already starting to run to the open guy and where that nicks defender is gonna be when the ball actually gets to that open guy and even you know one thing that I talked about after game one was when maxi gets a favorable matchup namely Brunson I would just

not even send a pick up for him I would just let him go one on one and try to go to the rim and the nicks were like no no we're not gonna let you do that we're just gonna double you at half court and take the ball at your hands all of those things become much harder for the nicks to do with your own beat on the floor instead of the centers who are on the floor not to mention

“the post-up option the pick and pop short twos all of that so I think it goes both ways I just don't”

I said it against Boston and I'll say it now I don't think the sixers can score enough points to be competitive in a seven to win a seven game series against a good team without joel and beat even if he is at times a little lost in space defensively and I thought the nicks yes maybe they lost a place to hunt when they had the ball but they became predators on defense

blitz was the brunson didn't do particularly a great job of sprinting to the opposite corner right like it was almost funny there's one possession I was watching rewatching this morning where like it happens and it's almost like he stopped every time the pass was the swing swing

“pass was made and it was it was the one where I forget I think over a attack from the corner and”

found a barlow for for a bucket in the dump off but it was like he stopped at the first pass

looked real quick where is the ball going and it was covered cool goes to the next pass stops there to see okay and then runs over who raised immediately able to attack like there are small things where their rotation I thought they could have been sharper with that and that's just me nitpicking the way you know I do as a nerd but I think that's the stuff that they need to be a bit sharper going into it because that actually really opened up Billy's offense quite a bit thought Billy did a great

job moving the ball off of those double teams and getting a lot of swing swing three swing swing drives swing swing you know rip and go and all of those different opportunities it was that was the stuff that I think most impressed me with the sixes offense I thought that was a really good battle I agree that the sixes moved the ball really well and sometimes when you moved the ball really well

the rotations are not going to be perfect two guys are going to pause for a second like who's

shooting over to the corner who's coming up to the wing they had even one possession where they this and this is like really getting into the weeds it was a maxi ubra picking roll kind of in the

“middle of the floor and they blitz it and ubra flared out and he flared out I think in a very”

calculated way to the side of the floor where the sixes only had one shooter and not two and when you do that and he caught the ball suddenly there's one guy that has to guard a ton of space and two sixes ubra and Paul George and Paul George ubra kicked it to Paul George and Paul George made a three but the nicks were fast enough that Brunson got there it made Paul George pump fake take a dribble and go to the sidestep three which is like all you could ask for the sixes and this is a technique

this is a very important technicality to me they even achieved on one possession the rarefied air of what the Zack low show and formerly the low post would call would turn a spurs gazzam credited to the 2013 spurs who took ball movement and the next season to a new level and if this was up again this is a technically a spurs gazzam blitz the pick and roll and instead of hitting the roll man maxi hits Vige Edge come on the wing as a release valve and in like two seconds it goes

“maxi to edge com edge com hits i think barlow on the roll barlow swings it to grinds at the wing”

grinds passes it to someone in the corner all five sixes touch the ball it doesn't touch the floor and so much you to three that's a spurs guys but that's to go to the wing to the roller to a shooter they achieved it and it was a tough I think they actually missed the shot but I agree they they moved it well they made the right passes I just saw for the most part the nicks did a B plus A minus job of rotating and like sometimes you're going to lose those battles sometimes you're going to win

I'm just not sure how relevant all of that is if in beat is is actually playing game three yeah I think that's a that's a big one there for that and you're right like for the most part the nicks handled it really well in terms of that I I just found that really kind of the the most interesting part of the game for me was watching the nicks rotate out of that was really the the thing they got me geeked up each time just seeing like okay where's the who's coming from where

are they going to handle it and you know like you said they handle it well for the most part but there were moments where I thought the sixes were pretty smart in the way they attacked I was pretty impressed with that yeah it was I think there's Nick nurses and a good job in the playoffs I said that after game one when they look so lifeless against Boston I thought that they were baiting Boston defense and their that Boston tendencies and leveraging them against them

in a smart way it just they just didn't have the talent at that point to win those games and beat came back and I thought last night they played I mean it was a close game until the end with Dom Barlow playing the five instead of NBA and Grimes not really bringing that much off the bench and I think they're going to need more Grimes just because of his shooting

and the way that when they play him instead of Uber right now Uber has been essential for them but

when they play the the three guards plus ball George it just becomes harder for the nicks to hide Brunson the only other note I have on this game is this not the only other one but we're going to get out of this game soon the sixes had a window in the second quarter when Cat picked up his third foul and was of course astonished that they dared call a foul on him and Brunson was resting and so both of them were off the floor and I think the nicks were minus two in about four or five minutes

and they were really and like they were minus they was even and then Maxi made free throws off off of a foul when Brunson was going back in the game. You just got to win those minutes by more

next and well to manufacture buckets and and I like Josh Hart has been I mean I had these people

did you have like five points last night yeah getting like two and three steals every game he guarded Maxi well when he got switched on to Maxi he's just been sensational Mikhail Bridges has continued to come to life he played very well last night of both ends of the floor so you just hope like let's get let's get everybody healthy let's get in an open healthy and beat healthy and Mr. Robinson healthy and like maybe restart the series but the nicks are up too

“oh yeah I think that's the right way to go about it and that's the big thing you got to take”

advantage of those minutes when those guys when Cat and Brunson are off the floor and for just you said it earlier but just for the love of god Cat please stop foul like this it's because

he's playing he's playing amazing on both of the floors playing really well this has been his

this has been my favorite cat playoffs run that we've had and it's really frustrating when it it gets cut short by just dumb fouls and then it's that face he makes afterwards where it's like kind of gets squished and like like what are you talking like you you fouled him like it's a foul who is more astonished who wins the astonishment competition in this series on calls against their team is it it's cat versus knick nurse in a battle of like one seeds across the NBA

knick nurse I love knick nurse I feel I've been thinking about him because of his brother I've

“known knick for a long time he really though has rocketed up the jaw I mean he's been like even”

there were memes of him with the raptors it making astonished faces but it's like every call he's astonished like you can't be that astonished every time it's too close to call between those two like it really is one thing on bridges a little thing I love that the next did and the reason why bridges is more involved in this series and he has been from the gecko is because Max is guarding him and the knicks are smart leaving like we're gonna involve you a lot

it's a very least to try to make you tired so the knicks have gotten so much credit from running this simple little screening action down in the corner when Brunson goes and screens for an Adobe and like people are reacting to it like they've reinvented the wheel it's like a pretty elementary thing and like great it's working and it's like not rocket science they did twice

“or three times last night Brunson started jogging toward the corner like he that's where he was”

gonna go and then we'll bolt it diagonally up to the wing to set a screen for bridges to try to involve Maxi and the sections were not ready for it and they messed up the coverage as Brunson got to lay up I just I love the entire idea of we're gonna counter what you're expecting and involve Maxi at the same time it just could go through just smart action right there yeah all right well get everyone healthy I guess I don't know get everyone healthy and

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stops in game two we've seen it a million times we saw it in the first round a couple series

“so not shocking I think if you're Minnesota like not even shocking that part of it was Minnesota”

just being too loose with the ball too casual with their transition defense stuff did like is a not unexpected for a little bit of a schizophrenia team and be not unexpected when probably some part of your brain is like we did what we came to do in game one this would be great be but it doesn't seem to be going our way um so other alarming signs ant continues to be on a minute's restriction and just isn't really as involved in the offense as the wolves are going

to need him to be as picking roll volume is down sticking a lot of threes he's playing decoy a lot while guys like Terence Shannon who's been great like run the offense and Randall runs the offense yet one drive last night where he blew by the cell and I think finished through Cornet at the rim left handed that was the only time really was like oh ants and ants in the building ants here and between that and I owe leaving the game returning and leaving the game I think they said

with the heel injury and obviously Dante's out you just start to feel again the sort of critical

threshold of injuries hitting Minnesota and I mean I picked the spurs in six it just it just seems unfathomable to me to that even with home court now in their back pocket that the wolves could win three more times with ant looking like this and it's like we can do the X's and O's and all of that but if ant is a 25 minute of game half decoy half ant I just don't see a pathway for Minnesota yeah no it's brutal that way and then on top of that like the spurs are balancing on that

you know anytime he gets to ball it's an immediate double you know at half court it's not they're not waiting for the pick so I want to get into that because it actually kind of surprised me that they didn't do that at the beginning of the game they started doing it in like the second quarter he hadn't really done anything like he hadn't done anything to scare them and so I asked you like why do you think they did that like do you what why do you think they planned they clearly

had it in their game plan and then they broke it out and it was like oh okay normally that happens when it's like it's she against an over match lake or steam or it's a guy who's just gone

bananas for the first two quarters of the game he has 30 points you just got to take the ball out of his

“hands why do you think they did that I think part of it was just we want to force you guys to play”

faster we want you to play fast speed you up as much as possible and be frenetic and then on top of that we want to force the turnips we want to put you in bad positions with that so it's as soon as ant crosses half court we're not going to let them just bring up the ball and be relaxed with it and go one-on-one we're sending the double right away and immediately into denial there's a great uh they had it on the broadcast you know with Mitch Johnson mic up like telling the guys like go

come come come come come don't be down stay stay you know after you give the ball they're going into full denial we're going to try to speed you up because if you watch that game this was like the spurs were so freaking fast in this game and I mean like it was turnovers boom transition miss basket we're looking for the outlet we're in transition made fast it we're looking for the outlet we're in transition we're even getting into the half court you know with 20

“19 seconds on the shot clock we're trying to speed up the the process and I think that was”

part of it it wasn't so much that ant was killing them but it was more just like hey we want to make the walls we want to put them on their heels when they're on offense even and have them kind of back peddling and it it worked in such a way I think it caught even them off guard and I think that was kind of a smart sort of tactic with what they did and then the other thing they just didn't want ant to get going if you go to game one that started the fourth quarter to

the four minute mark he was awesome you know I did a exes in mode segment on the ex-live stuff I'm doing right now and that was my segment yesterday was just looking at what ant did in that that run and they didn't want to have any of that he torched killed in Johnson and switches in game one they were not going to switch we're just going to double it get out of his hands and let's see if the other guys can do it and then it was Iowa with Dante out like there's less guys out there yet

Terran Shannon's been awesome. McDaniels is really stepped up but it's like can you do that enough and I think those spurs are betting they can't. Yeah so obviously my first thought was they're trying to generate turnovers and just see if they can just freak the wolves out and get eight free points and run away with the game my next thought was they're fine letting Minnesota's other players play four on three because Wemin Yamas on the backline and good luck to you like and

there was one play where they doubled off Iowa and hit Iowa. Iowa drove in a four on three

the more holistic one was I think they're just like you know what Anthony Edwards we're not letting

you get in a rhythm at all we're not even going to let you your Minnesota is at their best and maybe they can't quite get there without even chance of who's like roving three point shooting is so important for them but they're their best one and runs pick and roll with go bear and they get teams in the blender teams put two on the ball and makes the right pass the ball starts moving around everyone's touching it they get a lot of threes their three point volume is

“way down in the series obviously Dante being out as part of that but I just think this I think the”

spurs proactively were like we're not even letting you get there where you're not letting you're not you're not you're not you're not even getting a screen we're not letting you run a pick and roll because we don't even want you to feel that kind of rhythm and that kind of flow and I thought that was really smart I would keep doing it you can't do it every possession because if you do anything every possession good teams figure it out I thought it was really smart and like they just didn't let

him get any kind of flow and then after that the game just completely unraveled for from Minnesota yeah and I think the you know when I was with the spurs like we would we would save that for the end of games we'd call it fire and it would usually be for Kobe right and then they just

immediately went into fire early in the second quarter and just said we're going to go with it because

I think that was a big part of it man I think they just saw what was coming and they're just saying

“we're not going to we know what happens when he gets hot we saw it we're not going to let it happen again”

Minnesota's transition defense often on a bugaboo for them over the years was awful peaking with the very rare ant takes like a Minnesota shooter was in takes a corner three so his defender is way down at the bottom of the floor we stepcastle the corner three defender leaks out the guy all the way down the corner he's out and gets a dunk while Julius Randall is on the opposite wing it's his job to get back and just sort of watching everything unfold I will

say I've a bone to pick with Steph Castle he had a dunk in this game he was fantastic in the

game he got to the foul line nine times he just beat the shit out of everybody in the way that he

does he had a dunk in this game where he caught the ball in the left corner against Mike Conley and blue by him and dunked and I just want to say is a 48 year old man that hurt me personally that's going to be like me playing soccer against my daughter in two years it's ageism it's not fair

“I think the referees after Mike Conley has been a good citizen in this league for so long”

I think you call it off call a travel call it offensive bow it's not fair what he did to Mike Conley that's all they're elder abuse is really good you time what I did love about Castle was one he tried to go I go there like all he did he went for it that he kind of wound up and it was he was like leaning I was like I don't know I just don't want in midair my brain was like I don't want anyone to get injured because it's so good it looked like also what he was like trying to go for it

like he wasn't anywhere near like aligned with the rim being straight ahead it almost looked like he was off completely but we talked about you know the the wolves trying to go at Wemby like it was fun to see Castle go at it and the funny thing too just that after Game 1 all the talk from the wolves players was like we know he's going to Wemby's going to block shots we're going to keep going they didn't really attack Wemby that much in Game 2 the way they did in

Game 1 there's one I posted it on X where Terence Shannon drove and I called these U turns drove saw Wemby turned right around and then took a mid-range jumper like that was you know that was the thing where Game 1 those drives were worth challenging Wemby they did not do that nearly as much in Game 2 and I thought Wemby look we all knew he would do it but he came out with a much more aggressive mindset you know he he went to the post more he got that one play against Randall where he got

the ball out the nail and just kind of burrowed in there and all of a sudden if he burrows in one foot he's at the basket and then he had another pick and roll where they switched and they switched McDaniels onto him and he kind of put McDaniels on his hip and rolled into the post caught a ball pretty deep spun baseline roasted McDaniels miss and then put back his own miss and it's like all right that that's just a mindset thing like gamey dinners is not a small guard that switches like

there are a lot of times we're victor or any other big guys not going to take that switch down to the post like that that was just a guy being like in Game 1 I didn't do this enough I am asserting my will in this game it might not pay off on this possession I might miss I might fall over it could be awkward this is a great defender but I'm taking you down to the block and I'm going to see what the hell happens and what happened was good to me the most interesting battleground

in this series so far has been when victor is on the floor and go bear is off the floor now

just minus across the board but I find these minutes interesting because when go bears on the floor

when binyama is going to guard him it's very simple and he's guarding when binyama both teams have kept it simple we're keeping our bigs on the big we're going to have size in the middle if you put us in a pick and roll our bigs can guard both guys at the same time stay home on shooters we're not messing around what wroteies out of the game in victors in the game we've seen a lot of different things and it boils down to disperse for whatever reason do not want to put him on Randall

so they have victor sometimes on jailing clerk sometimes on jailing McDonalds sometimes not really on anyone just sort of whoever is in the corner he's going to hang around that area and toggle between guys and the wolves are sort of digesting that and figuring out ways to attack it but I find those minutes very interesting and what would like either team like do you think either

“team has some low-hanging fruit to like pick there well I think it becomes a bit challenging for”

the wolves in terms of the defensive opportunities I think it's you know Randall being more physical with Wendy but like you said we saw a really one that happened he went be kind of handled he's kind of figuring it out as he's going in real time so I'm worried about them there I think for the spurs it's also more of just like this is full on attack the paint time right like this is just goes straight at the rim you know whether it's not a lot of logs for Wendy I I know they got the

first one in this game early but like this is just keep this is let's not settle for shots let's

just put the pressure at the rim if they're there number one shot blockers I'm going to be there let's go to work and I think I've been picking all every time you get just get downhill and you have the guys to do it right we so just go to work with that and that's going to open up opportunities because that's going to open up the lobster Wendy if not it's going to open up off and support opportunities for other guys like I think that's that's got to be the focus for the spurs

and it's the other way around right when Wendy's off the bench I mean on the bench but the other thing too is Corna has actually held up pretty well as a rim protector all season and did pretty well in this game on top of that you know you talked about the one where Anne got him there was

“another one where he got in at the rim and I think it's really important that that continues for”

the spurs because that's the thing where it's like at least we don't lose all our shot block and wanting to get off I've almost feel bad for Corna because every time Wimbledon Yama goes out of the game the announcers are like well now you got to attack the rim victors not there it's like look Corna poor guys not it's pretty good but all the answers are like well now you can see their eyes are wide and they're going to attack them like looks all right anyway yeah I'm

more thinking about the other end of the floor it holds all fence versus spurs defense and you like and and obviously each team can adjust but if I'm the wolves and they don't want Wimbledon Randall and they want Wimbledon hanging around the corners I'm just keeping it very simple I'm going to put shooters in both corners not as read's going to be in one corner somewhat else you can shoot three is going to be another corner and if it jailing Clark if he's in the game is going to be up on the

“wing somewhere or setting flare screens and I'm going to give the ball to Randall and I'm just”

going to let him attack and victors either going to come all the way from the corner and the of a shooter or Randall's going to get to the rim or something else is going to open up obviously there are counters to that namely putting victor on Randall or putting victor on someone else or not having victor near the corners whatever it is but when they had non shooters in the corners and just let Vic hang out on the baseline like you're just not going to be able to score that

way when they had no as read in the corner and another shooter in the other corner they got good looks out of it might commonly got a corner three hanging out in the corner on those places and jailing Clark set of flare screen I just think that's an interesting sort of game within the game and just again notable to me that for whatever reason the spurs don't want Wimbledon Randall physicality probably is part of it staying near the rim is part of it but I just

think those those numbers those minutes are interesting and shout out to the you know who the

other big winner in this series is so far more no who you got marching gortot has just never been

more famous like he's more famous for this gortot screen than he ever was as a player he should be monetizing this somehow this is wildly unfair that everyone door is broke is now screaming gortot screen the gortot screen was so critical in game one I wonder what percentage of the viewers even know what a gortot screen is I'm not saying that insultingly it's just so in the weeds and she's right it was critical in game one and actually you can see you it's a funny little

game within the game you can see the bull's ball handlers on a pick and roll slowing down

where he can blockade when binyama a second time don't go too fast and you can even see on drives

“it's not even on a pick and roll someone just winds up in drives from the wing and go barren”

when we are under under the rim go barren like tries to start getting in front of when binyama

and block them out of the way and when binyama is like no no no you're never battling for a spot in line

at the movies or something and when he's trying to get in front of him but marching gortot if you're listening to this get an attorney like a good IP attorney because it's like Darwin ham all over again like the hammer played is named after Darwin and it's the most I mean I Darwinian became and it had coach with the Los Angeles lake or so this is facetious but like playing wise the most notable thing is there's a play named effort and he should get some credit for that

marching gortot world famous now because of the gortot screen I would I would like him to not get an attorney because I when I used to do my one-boat thing videos it was definitely gortot was one of them was a focus on that one I'll probably have to go find it and put it back out there for everybody I've used it many times myself in describing that action so just I'm more afraid if there's a retroactive bill that I won't be able to afford it because he gets the IT of this so

I prefer he not hey look man there's a whole generation of league pass league pass nerds like me like you like a lot of other people and like 17 Washington DC area residents who can wax poetic about the John wall marching gortot pick and roll and the gortot screens when he had a mole hockey

look like somebody straight out of Mad Max I was always the biggest great backup center in Orlando

I was always a big fan of his and now he's just you know I just wonder his phone must blow up every single every single game where this is mentioned it's like he just fallen just must go crazy

“I have another important center note for you related to this series you know the cornet contest”

obviously right big jump the cornet just wherever he is on the floor of his guy shoots not wherever he is but he'll be 10 feet away from the shooter and he'll just do like a straight up jump like he's almost looks like he's doing calisthenics just to try to get in your line of sight dehydrate and is doing this now obviously JJ Radik has talked about the cornet contest dehydrate and is doing it in a way that I've never seen anyone do it before

and I'm actually afraid makes no sense and might be hurting the lakers he'll be in the paint like under the rim and somebody his guy some other guy will shoot a three and dehydrate in the paint like not even in the guy's line of sight will jump and clap his hands he'll do like his version of the cornet contest and I'll be like what are you is JJ telling you to do this why are you doing this you're under the

basket and I'm like I'm certain to think is he hurting his rebounding position because he's so

committed to this bit of doing his version of the cornet contest under the rim I've never seen

anyone do this before and I'm like why are you doing this stop doing just box out man anyway I wonder if he got like the instructions like not fully fleshed out right like he's like yeah when your guy's gonna shoot a three jump no matter where you are and his response is like okay I'll just jump no matter where I am and then he's added the clap to it before we move on though from this game we got to talk about doing harpoon oh my god yeah please do he's been I mean

as a rookie he's been absolutely phenomenal through these entire playoffs like the runny had in game one was amazing yesterday just all the smart plays in transition getting that big the tipunk off of a best like all the small things that he's doing defensively finding the outlets he's the one that makes the the kick-a-head past the castle to get the the dunk in transition there was one point it was a deflection but it was an ambient doubled

he was trying to swing it to an open shooter on the quarter and you know there's harpoon knocking that one out of balance as he's up there just all the small things that you see the blink 180 to stop with the blink 180 to try to I wasn't even trying to you're almost gonna

“make me sing it nobody wants to hear me sing but I think just he is doing all the little things”

thank you you're welcome he's doing all the little things where it's like you're watching this as a rookie and he's just coming to the playoffs completely unfaced and I love every bit of it when I'm watching him and just going nuts with with with this stuff and watching and I'm just like man got two or three years from now like this dude's gonna be unbelievable you know what blink 180 to is right about what the surprises really do let me know she cares like the surprise

is just it really does just do the trick um okay let's very quickly just like two minutes on each of tonight's games because we there's not a lot of the lag time between when this post in the games uh lakers thunder is there anything here to talk about going into game too

how to rotate out of that and and and how to kind of like go from there into everything they can't

“let guy like chat one off I think was a big thing and I the strategy is sound but you got to execute”

it so like they did a good job with Shay but it's being able to fire out after that it's gonna be the other thing that's really important is it's important piece to that strategy that I just don't think the lakers really did it and I don't feel like the thunder would throw at any point in this game no um obviously they're throwing two and three guys at Shay almost humidity crosses half court my one nitpick what is like if you're going to do that you

have to do it properly and there were too many times where Shay's defender would open up his hips and like open up a driving lane and be waving for someone like you're supposed to be here now and if you open up like that and someone isn't there now it's over the possession is toast for you I do think I would love to have a real conversation with JJ about this because I wonder if like

a third of the reason they're doing this because it's not just that they're trapping Shay

if you like look at the matchups um who's guarding who it's completely random sometimes from possession to possession like eight and we'll be guarding Caruso and then on the next possession he'll be guarding chat home grin and now it's just like people are just and I do wonder if part of the hope is if we do get a stop the matchups are going to be so jumbled that yeah this team is in an unbelievable defensive team they can match up anyway possible but maybe there'll be a moment of confusion

maybe the smallest guy on the floor will be on the brun even though our small guys can do like a passable job at times on the brun um and that I mean the only other thing I have notes is like

“Reeves obviously has to make shots and play way better and I think they're going to have to lean”

even more into the Reeves LeBron two man game because they're only consistent offense is Reeves high pick and roll any missed every lucky guy and LeBron hunting what passes for small guys whether it's Wallace who he can put in the basket but will put up resistance or Shay or whoever and the thunder not giving them giving LeBron those matchups they're blitzing and doubling and like making the lakers pass it around but um if you put your two best players and actions maybe

that becomes a little harder it's just like it's a sucks they'll do guys injured and continues to be injured it sucks that yo Williams is injured because I'll say it again look at full strength plus yo Williams out to lakers have a I have a chance to make this a competitive series and right now it doesn't feel like they do maybe they went tonight and this all sounds foolish the game I am more interested in is Cleveland Detroit I think this is a show me game for the calves tonight

I'm saying this it's now 1020 you certainly maybe they went by 20 maybe they make this look foolish I thought there are performance for 40 minutes of game one was disgusting and on serious and I thought their offense was a complete mess I can't believe what a mess the offense is on a team that has four guys who have made recent all-star teams including two of the best guards of the last 15 years they look like they have no plan no identity no cohesion no flow and harden

looks old now and that's not like a new thing he can't get by anyone and he does it like when during or whoever the screener defender is comes up to the level of the screen or pretty high harden just pulls up like I don't he does not want to attack that match up at all and the pistons know it they know they can stop women is tracks they know they can stay close to home ish on the other guys they know they can help off mobly if he's on the floor and not screening

and weighed and they'll dare Tyson Tyson was a good shooter this year and shooter they're scrunching all the way in on them and I mean they got on a little bit of rhythm when they

started running harden mobly picking roles in the second half with Allen in the dunker spot

and I do think that's their simplest offense is just get into the pick and roll like that but they looked I mean we're talking about Donovan Mitchell caught a pass out of bounds James Harden committed the the rare self-back court violation multi-three instances of guys throwing the ball to players who thought the ball was going to be in another place or the pass or thought the player was going to be in another place what is Thomas Bryant doing

on the court like why is he playing and why is he shooting threes with 18 on the shot clock

“I think the single most depressing possession of the play off so far was Dennis Schuter ran a”

pick and roll with someone I remember who it was drove down toward like the Steve Nash spot under the basket and tried to skip this little skimmer pass to the corner and I'm like oh there's a corner Schuter who's he passed doing the corner it's Thomas Bryant right and the pass is low

and Thomas Bryant drops it I'm like let me hold up for a second Donovan Mitchell is on the floor

half and I think they need his shooting in this series but you still have like real guys and I'm

“watching a possession in the second round of the playoffs for a team that traded Darious Garland for James”

Harden aging themselves up 10 years in one trade and I'm watching Dennis Schuter God bless him he's fine he would actually play pretty well try to throw a contested corner skimmer pass to Thomas Bryant with the idea that maybe Thomas Bryant will take a corner three what am I watching what's happening right now and to me if they lose this game tonight yeah they haven't lost the home game yet the series doesn't start till the road team wins what yaddy adiada

I don't know man can this team win four out of five they haven't won a road game yet in the playoffs Detroit is beatable like they're good Detroit's good and they won that game and they out physical them they'll play them they have no good matchup for Kate like if their answer to Kate is more Dean Wade that's just going to help Detroit's defense and I wonder if even Strew starts tonight and they just take a chance on we just need more shooting on the floor but this is a show me

game for the calves if they melt down in this game and it's a buglead Detroit win people are going to start asking some pretty ugly questions about the calves and like is this James Harden trade potentially a disaster even if you think Darrys Garland is overpaid and heard all the time they they I picked them to win this series I picked Cazan seven based on kind of sheer talent

alone Detroit obviously didn't blow anyone away in the first round of the playoffs I'm just I'm

calling it out now at 10 30 we would only talk about it more I was their their offense was gross from most of the first round I thought it would be less gross extricated from the switchy weird Toronto team and it was just as gross and just as incoherent and I don't know how we get to game like 95 or whatever and you're just this incoherent on offense I don't understand how you go into a playoff game that way like to watch in the way they played this game that there were two

things that stood out to me one they played with zero intentions right zero sort of how we this is what we do it's a lot of dribbling off of the court we're gonna we're gonna bounce around and then we'll we'll find our way you in essence and to zero forks right like and I know the

“pistons are a big physical team but you have to meet them where they're at sometimes and have”

to bump them and fight them they're a little bit the only person that really showed fight to me in the game for the calves was maxters he had a great run for them when he was on the floor and I think it's it's everybody else was shocking like watching Dunkin Robinson get horse turnovers

on James Harden should never how about the warmer James Harden just fell over like just

just dribbling it just kind of fell and they oh okay it's it was it's and I don't want to hear the game seven excuse because both teams were coming off of the game seven you know both teams were in that situation so it's like this is a massively huge game for everything for the calves this came to for people who are gonna say oh you're hating on Harden harden brought them back in the game in the fourth quarter he he salvaged that game for himself and for the team in the fourth

quarter and they had Chad to chance to win it and again I picked the calves in seven because I'm like they have these two star guards and they should be able to create functional offense because of it so I don't want to hear that but I just thought their performance was so disappointing and you mentioned force and Kenny Acquetz and good for him mentioned it after the game it's a boring topic but he mentioned like can we set some screens their screening was so bad in game one there was a

a pick and roll the grant hill is now talked about this a lot to Spain pick and roll yeah it's a pick and roll and then uh somebody else sets a back screen on the screeners defender so there's like a

“lot of screens involved I think it was even like a staggered screen into a Spain pick and roll so at least”

three screens are involved they went over three they completely whipped on every screen nobody made contact with any pistons player everybody got off Scott free no one had to switch no one had to rotate there was absolutely no stress on the defense because the screens whipped completely now sometimes and we saw this with Kat last night bigs who are in foul trouble are kind of like a little cautious setting screens and Kat started to kind of set you know he whipped on a lot of

screens because he got as skinny as possible for the calves there was just no excuse and they played with no force and this is a team like look if they are down to oh it's going to be Cavscon one if they lose this series and it's decisive it's a complete disaster and the all season gets very very interesting for the calves from top to bottom speaking of the all season let's take a break because you know where I'm headed in a couple days more the cargo the lottery is here let's talk

about that when we come back okay three off-season storylines that kind of coalescent to one

jail and browns twitch stream and then a follow-up twitch stream trying to clarify the first twitch

he's extension eligible this summer you might have heard they were eliminated in the first round

by the Philadelphia 76ers called it his favorite season of the year of his career rather double down on that saying it is my favorite season in the twitch follow-up saying it is my favorite season

“I think he was trying to say like I was I was my favorite season because we were underdogs idiots”

like me Zach Low predicted the Celtics to go under their window at all and we it's just more fun to play without the expectations and to exceed expectations and prove people wrong I don't think he meant it necessarily is like well Jason Tate and wasn't there and I got to cook but he sorry sorry sort of emphasized the underdog angled that we have the honest thing and Jimmy Haslam the bucks owner said yesterday that they would like to clarify the honest situation before the draft

which is like oh okay yannis yannis can't sign his extension to October obviously they can discuss it and he get an indication of whether he's going to sign it or not but the bucks this feels like the bucks trying to win a PR about a little bit of like hey it's up to him

we're going to make it up to him yannis has always been like it's actually up to them

“it's it's up to everyone and but to say before the draft is okay I mean that means”

we want this transaction cycle the bucks do to to move on if yannis indicates he wants to move on and I just want to applaud Jimmy Haslam at the end of the start of going reading on ESPN.com I'm just going to quote him because these owners they just can't just can't put a microphone in front of them without something embarrassing happening yannis has brought me a walkie it's second championship in the first in 50 years haslam said we're off to a good start well we're doing well you could just

stop just maybe stop there he's a phenomenal player he's a phenomenal person great we're doing well he's arguably one of the best basketball players of all he's arguably one of the best basketball players in the world what happens in your brain as Jimmy Haslam to stick arguably in there like it's a small thing it's it's stupid that I'm over emphasizing it he's not arguably one of the best basketball players in the world he's one of the best basketball players in the world it's

it's a less egregious version of when Patrick Dumont after the luka trade was listing off all the great players all the great two way players and their commitment to being in shape and and committed to their teams and he listed shack notoriously not in shape and not committed to his teams and didn't list lifetime maverick champion finals MVP directed in ski and everyone was like

can we stick this guy in a closet and never have been talking again so the yannis stuff the jail

and brown stuff whatever it is I don't think the Celtics want to trade jail and brown by any stretch but we will see what happens and then the lottery is here and all of these things are obviously intertwined because teams are going to move up and teams are going to move down and does it land up between the Milwaukee pick and the New Orleans pick has about a 40% chance of landing in the top four does a top four pick make them more likely to go all in for a player like yannis or jail and brown

I would argue it should actually make them less likely to go in for such a player and just take the pick and be happy and move on with life you have lots of stake for lots of teams so let's do some lottery fun what is the group let's start with like the actual serious conversation who has

“the most at stake in your opinion in Sundays ping pong extravaganza I really think it's actually”

in the antifacers I think when you look at the where they're at if they can get one of the top four picks like this is going to take them to another level like I love the way they're set up with Tyreys Halleberg and would the trade for zoo watch you know with what they have with Pascal let's clarify for people just before you start Indiana traded its pick to the clippers top four protected and protected from ten on meaning the paceers keep it if it's one two three or four

and the clippers get it if it's five six seven eight or nine yeah and I think this has a chance to really set them up to be a true power in the East it can only be five or six by the way so the clippers get if it's five or six but they can go in that sense of like finals last year lottery this year right back into the thick of things in the eastern coffers they're going to be right there already but then also have a young caliber player regardless

of who they pick that they can kind of set up to sort of almost work their way into the system

low franchises the Washington's Sacramento's all that it would be game changing for them to have

a franchise player but this is a team that's already set to be kind of in the running to be a contender next year to be able to add a top four pick would be so just it would just set them up for so long assuming caliber in this healthy both from the achilles and the shingles stuff that's been troubling him and like that's you know I had shingles by the way when I was like 22 years old and it it was just itchy for me I got it on my side and it's like it's it I got

very lucky like if you get it when you're older or like Tyrese got it on his face that's that's nasty stuff my pick I had I had four candidates for this honor of most at stake both in the NAM the clippers were among my top four this is just a huge swing moment for both of these franchises if if the Pacers keep this pick which they have a 52% chance of doing so it's almost a coin flip they add an A plus draft prospect to their core they also add a big trade asset I just don't think

it's in the Pacers DNA to to take an opportunity like that like a franchise that has really never

tanked or very rarely tanked and they tanked this year obviously to bring a player like that

“into a core that is actually like not even that old I don't I think they just keep that player”

and are thrilled about the bridge that they've built themselves for many years going forward if the clippers don't get this pick it rolls over into a 2031 unprotected Pacers pick which could be a good asset 2031 who knows what the hell's going on in the world and if the clippers do get it they get not a top four pick but five or six in a pretty deep draft and again a rare chance for them having traded so much stuff to Oklahoma City including their own pick in this lottery

to get a blue chip player that they just haven't had this chance in a long time and they just went younger with Garland as well and so I think it's a huge swing moment for both I ironically the thunder moving up in the draft with the clippers pick would help the clippers get the Pacers pick would embarrass the shit out of the clippers but still I have two other candidates can you do my two other candidates for most at stake yeah go for it number one is it Liana which I already

“mentioned and and I think again if it were me running the hawks and I get a top four pick”

I'm just keep in the pick and I'm building around yellow johnson and a congoo and to kill Alexander Walker and Dyson and maybe coming this day is whatever I'm just like I have a good team resign CJ not going to speed it up if I fall the eighth or ninth or I mean where can I really there's there's a lot of scenarios in play for them but if I fall somewhere else I might be a little bit more open to that pick plus research a plus a lot of stuff for somebody could be honest

could be again they have the Milwaukee pick this year and some part of it next year it could be Jill and Brown it could be some beside Atlanta and just the other team is anything good ever going to happen for Sacramento like you just like at some point you you got to make your own luck I understand it and this and this the kings have done nothing to get the lottery guides on their side we all know that but at some point this team is moved down

in the lottery a bunch of times then they missed the picks that they pick in the lottery shout out Marvin Bagley and many many others I don't mean to pick on Marvin Bagley but Luka was just sitting there for them and they said hey you know what we like this guy from Duke they even lost the coin flip with Utah for the fourth spot in the lottery by the way Utah went from that coin flip

“went from I think 99.6% chance of keeping their pick to 100% chance of keeping their”

pick for the jazz the top 8 pick they owe to them so there was even a little bit of sweating for the jazz to do so those are my four I mean like you could argue Washington is the other sad sack or Brooklyn having just picked five picks Brooklyn's got a big market they'll get a free agent at some point maybe they'll trade for a big guy this summer I don't know Washington enough you got a lot of bites at the apple you got some interesting on players Sacramento it's like

neat cliffers all right I've actually kind of liked the way neat Clifford finished the season

right no I put on first team all rookie I just don't really know what his upside is given his

defensive limitations and you know Dev and Carter they don't play very much and Keegan Murray's fine he's overpaid just it would be nice for King's fans to get something I feel for the King's fan but I'm so worried about this organization of ruining another young player right like drafting high a player where it's like I don't understand their development philosophy and you know like it's

that are promising like you talked about we both like right now there's neat Clifford there's a lot

of that stuff but it's like I just I don't want to I don't trust them to get to to to actually develop and get the most out of a player so for me I'm kind of don't want them to get the the lottery because of that I don't want them to win the lottery because of that what is your funniest possible lottery outcome okay my funniest possible lottery outcome was I actually think it'd be kind of hilarious if Dallas wanted to get okay that's that's not a bad candidate you know

they the odds like look 6.7% overall number one you know top 429% before the tanking rules all change

“and everything that goes into it like I think it'd be kind of what I like I like that they got”

beside run their front office now I like the way they're kind of set up with Cooper why not get them another running me let's go I I think it'd be pretty funny to be if they got the number one pick my pick was for funniest possible outcome is New New Orleans pick being the number one pick in the draft in Atlanta getting it would be to me the apologies to New Orleans fans one of my favorite cities on the planet it would still be funny I don't know if I texted you this in time but I wanted

I wanted to pick what would be this year's Dallas where a team wins it and people are like really they deserve that after what they did who would be do you have a pick for this like who would be this year's they win the lottery and you're like oh why they got it I think the I think the answer to me would actually be golden state but not for low in like the why but more just like really they're going to win the lottery like this is we're going to they're going to get the the the the

whole pass going forward now after they you know the last few drafts where they're in the lottery they they they boxed you know with everything James Wiseman Jonathan Kamingo all that stuff we

rehashed that a million times but like to me they would be it would be kind of the moment where it's like

really they're going to win the lottery my pick for this year's Dallas and I'm not going to step on build it as karma ranking just a which are delightful with Nick Wright awesome podcast so I'm not going to do the karma I'm just picking this year's Dallas for me would be Chicago Chicago wins the lottery and I would be like we already saw this move with Derek Rose like no plan now they just hired Bryson Graham

“well I think is really good and we'll do a good job there but completely rudderless for so long about”

to enter a period where being if the lottery rules change were being in the middle is suddenly like more profitable after years of they were in the middle and it was not profitable and they shoot up from number nine to get the number one pick I think that would be this year's Chicago Do you have a worst case scenario like most feared possible outcome well for the lead it's the you already touched on it's the clippers pick go and there's no it's happened before to the clippers right this is

the clippers number one pick and then it went to Cleveland career because if we're hiring Irving when they it was the Baron Davis tree that they had made so it's happened before to them so it's kind of in one way the whole week does not want this and at the same time it might actually

“be the funniest outcome I don't think it would be funny I think it would be like like a horror”

movie villain got more powers or something yes I honestly it would be funny in the room because I'm going to be in the drawing room again someone might weep in in that like either the clippers representative or just someone on a western conference team might just be like might weep so I could see someone maybe just going up and did you watch the show I think you recommended to show to me platonic yes solid show and one of my favorite running bits in the show is Seth

Rogan just kicking the e-seater down every time he sees him because he just finds him annoying I think someone might do that with the ping pong ball machine if it spits up Oklahoma City like some disgruntled person might get banned from the league for just knocking the thing over and fleeing the scene okay let's talk about jail and brown I drop my notes I don't know if this is going to be a thing it's it's too early for me to know if it's going to be a thing I do know

that the Celtics just lost in the first round of the playoffs that Jason Tatum and jail and brown

make a hundred and twelve million dollars give or take between them next year and that only escalates

that jail and brown is extension eligible now after well what once the summer starts despite having

extending him right now when he's eligible that extension doesn't even kick in until twenty twenty nine

“twenty thirty when he's thirty two years old he's twenty nine and a half ish now and it's starting”

it's presumably jail and brown's not going to be like all sign of cheap oh extension now so

you're looking at a seventy million dollar plus extension and it raised eyebrows around Boston

when he said this was my favorite year of my career not the championship year not the final MVP year all that um so who knows if there will be any movement on this again I don't think Boston wants to trade jail and brown in jail brown to his credit has it came out yesterday and said I want to be in Boston he has really embraced Boston the community the fans with people talk about the Celtic tradition it seems to really matter to him that's awesome it's still a cold business

and I who knows what will happen did you watch the twitch stream you're not you're what you're

“a twitch veteran I'm a twitch veteran I used to have a twitch channel I did not watch the twitch”

stream I did have a Boston friend of mine send me some highlights you know it was during the playoff game so it wasn't I didn't want to kind of lose my attention too much so I did not I did not lock it on the jail and brown twitch stream I do have any yesterday I was like I just got I want to see the first the raw document that's impressive you're awake you picked up twitch well I don't have a twitch app you can just watch it apparently or a twitch account or whatever

I'm not a twitcher and I expected to just watch the main part where he talks about how it's his favorite year um and just get out of it I watched like 40 minutes of it I was totally

mesmerized I have never felt more out of touch in my entire life than I did for those 40 minutes

I just had no idea what was happening I I I was mesmerized and I like by everything so I was mesmerized by he really thinks there's an officiating conspiracy against him yeah that's which he does get call for a lot of offensive facts like to off the pushoff thing is very simple if your whole arm comes out you're probably going to get called for an offensive fell if you hold it like this and the only the forearm is there you're not going to get call for it

he puts his whole arm out a lot um he talked a lot about how um about people who turn their

“brains off because of anal I think because of analytics and people turn their brains off and”

analytics and the media I'm like I don't he's on to something because he's right he talked about how people don't watch the games anymore and I think there's something to that I don't think analytics is the reason why people less people watch the actual games now than they used to and not everyone in the media is like that some some of us do watch the games he seemed mad that expectations for the team changed when they became when they exceeded expectations which like that's

what happens you people had low expectations for you then you won 57 games and so yeah it's going to be disappointing when you lose in the first round um but he was it's it's obviously Jalen is a super smart guy he's spoken in Harvard and MIT does tons of community work it's very he's a very engaging speaker but I did feel like I was watching a portal into a different universe that I did not know existed and in that universe Jalen Brown is friends with like dudes from Celtics Twitter

who are in his house or in his studio they come in after games seven they all sit with him and he's like here's this guy here's that guy uh hey you want to sit and give your thoughts on the season and they sit there and they pontificate about the season almost talking like they're part of the team and I was just like so this is I'm so old and out of touch that people really do make friends with Twitter people in real life and including super star basketball players in fans and they're

at his house it's not like they're DMing uh on some three or something it's they're at his house I was absolutely mesmerized by everything I have no notes I've now want to watch more Jalen Brown I there's a whole world out there that I didn't know existed of people doing this it's it's an

amazing way what it's an awesome way to actually get a look into his thoughts and credit to him

for his candor I personally if I was part of the team I personally wouldn't want well the people

rest you blew it three one lead it's fine the six is we're awesome and bead flops yeah we know

and bead flops lots of people flump it's fine but I'm I'll be on that to me like I don't I don't mind this stuff I like that you came out and said no this is what I met by those comments yeah just just just a definitive a little bit too he was I'm just saying I was mesmerized by the whole thing not you but others you are the or predestined like he was an MVP candidate this year like yeah it was a deserve to be so yeah like it's a fun as season for him like yeah it didn't go

the way he wanted you know fine but like he gets to say like yeah this was one of my favorite season I got to have a lot of fun doing this like there's nothing wrong with that that I don't have any quams and it is it is fun proving people wrong it absolutely is and it's fun doing it with a bunch of guys who have been castoffs and written off in their career even Peyton Richard three years ago was like is he even gonna be on the Celtics and but you throw Kada Garza who go Jordan Wall

“so like these it's probably fun to be to spearhead all of that yeah so I think there's a lot”

a lot of that stuff there I like the twitch tree I like that he did it does it I personally don't I'm not gonna partake in it I'm not a big I'm not gonna jump in it and and I'm just gonna focus

on the basketball side but it is amazing the friendships he's developed with with twitter uh Boston

twitter fans that things like that and that shows him ingrained in the community too though and right like yeah that cycle I just I just was not aware that this is happening yeah and they're all they're clearly like no well they're all in there he's uh I'm checking all of them they're sitting down as part of the stream I think it's it's just maybe I need to make more friends through so maybe I've missed the boat on this Zach I can't wait for the next time I'm on the

pod with you and there's gonna be people that are on the Zach low reddit that are gonna be hanging out in your office there and telling me what's what you're gonna be telling me this is so

“it's so it's so honestly it's either that or my daughter's hot take on the meds or actually”

my wife and I have a running bit she's probably overheariness from the living room where she doesn't follow the NBA at all she wants she wants to come on my podcast for two reason number one to make fun of me and tell the world how actually insane I am and number two we have a running bit where all ask her like hey so what do you think about timber wolves spurs game two and she'll give analysis without any knowledge and she'll be like you know I mean it's like Minnesota it's been

a rocky year for them and like you know they need to step up under pressure and the spurs you know their favorites here like they got to even up the series and I will actually tell her like you're 80 percent of the way there you're nailing it or my daughter's hot takes on the meds and she has a lot okay can we do jailing brown fake trades just for fun yes I just like have you I have a couple but I am not nearly a trade machine Picasso like I met you like you and well there's only one

trade there's only one trade machine Picasso and this is just a thought exercise just because

“I think it was notable that he said the thing that he said and it's going to certainly like”

teams are going to pick up the phone when things like that happen I'm not saying that teams of called I don't know if teams of called first the obvious one that people have already talked about is jailing for Janice whether it's straight up whether Boston throws in picks whatever I mean we

don't need to belabor Janice's amazing he brings a rim attacking element the Celtics don't have

he's only two years older than jailing what do you think about that trade notably from the bucks perspective for the bucks perspective it's bringing in a piece in terms of like okay we can go win right now not that's not a champion but we can go win we're in a situation where we're going to go win games we're not going to tank we're going to build around jail and it's going to be interesting to see how him and how it works with him and Miles Turner and the picket roll and how

that can kind of develop this you know I'm assuming there's still just going to have everybody else with them but this is a jailing this is your team go to work now we just saw you know what he did for this past season you know obviously he's not going to have quite the same amount of talent around him I think that bucks team still has a lot more work but I think giving him opportunity to kind of just blossom as just this is solely your team go I think it's interesting I

think pairing him with Taylor Jenkins I think Jenkins we're able to do some good stuff with him and put him in good situations and good spots like I kind of like that for Milwaukee we know that

we're when they're going to make a yana straight if and when they got to find a way to make it so that we're not just going to be absolutely terrible because unless we're getting our picks back from Oregon it's a relevancy trade for them for sure it's a we don't want to bottom out particularly when the lottery rules are going to change the way they might small market we get a we get a guy

who might make first team all MBA this year and again deservedly I put jailing brown first team all

it be a to be clear jailing brown I still I and again they'll get a good pick in the straff because they get the lesser of their pick in the pelicans pick so they'll get a top whatever pick and like yeah you start to this is they're going to be their case to yannis like another we maybe we nailed a straff blah blah blah blah like it's not I don't I don't hate it for the bucks it's fine if if your goal is to stay relevant and stay afloat I don't know

that I would necessarily aim that way I do worry and this is more in indictment on the MBA financial structure in anything else that jailing brown's next contract is going to be a complete albatross and that sucks that's just a reality of the seniority scale the cap attacks etc and it's why I keep lobbying for things like if Boston were to extend him and keep him homegrown superstar

“what it on a max or super max you should get some kind of cap apron tax relief if if you”

haven't player like that on your team or maybe two players like that on your team because it just it shouldn't be a detriment to draft well play well win and keep the players at your fans have grown to love it shouldn't be like crippling to do that now if you get straight into the bucks he's not on self to get a more different story um there are multiple three way trades you could do if the bucks want to aim differently then that um people and Dick Wright talked about

Atlanta uh Atlanta uh gets jailing Boston gets Janice the bucks get it picks from everybody including their own stuff back from Atlanta I think Atlanta is an interesting just straight up trade partner Atlanta Boston straight up depending on what kind of picks they'd like to move what Boston how how rehabilitatable Boston thinks Risa She is as a prospect I don't love the salary that would have to go to the Celtics in that deal from either perspective like I don't love it if I'm

Boston and I don't love how many court players I'd have to give up if I'm Atlanta whether it's Daniel's plus coming up plus Risa Shea plus on and on but there could be something there I like I think there's a fun three way trade where Janice goes to Boston jailing brown goes to Portland and Portland sends book salary and picks notably Milwaukee's on picks and Boston sends picks and stuff back to Milwaukee and it's a full rebuild mode I could keep going well don't you give me one of

your favorite ones so one of my favorite ones that I focused mainly on Western conference teams and I was trying to make sure Boston had some pieces back in that way and so I'm going to start with I what with the New Orleans Pelicans can either I have I wanted to figure out a way to get

the Zion but didn't really figure that one out but I went with the Jothamuri Tray Murphy the third

“and they get the Pelicans first round big next year 2027 for Brown that's one you have to”

think about because Tray Murphy the third is that coveted around the league I also played around was Zion possibilities again if I'm New Orleans I just I'm not I'm not sure what the point of that is but it does get me a better best player it's an interesting one and again if you're Boston you're talking about not only turning jail and Brown into multiple pieces that help you win now it's resetting your finances a little bit going forward and hoping to nail the balance of

we're still going to be very competitive in eastern conference if not one of the favorite probably one of the favorites and have a little bit more financial flexibility and pick up some youth and a picker whatever in the process I have one more I would crazy one no go that says there's no such thing as too crazy kind of kind of that look at how much it's got traded for Anthony Davis there's no such thing as too crazy it really sucks that Nico Harrison has removed the ability of us

having just crazy wild ones but do we finally get a quiet Leonard jail and brown trade I don't

think that's I don't think that's crazy at all that's on my list and I have the and I have the I threw the clippers at the throw in a 20 30 first round pick oh yeah you gotta attach something to collise with collise contract expiring deck after next year they can kind of

“if they want to just hey let's get out of cap l after that I think it's interesting for me that's”

one where I I would take a hard look for the clippers garland and brown as my my core for the next few

he's too much of an injury risk and I just I can't do it but the word you use there was finally

“because obviously jail and brown was the piece that would have moved in any number of theoretical”

Danny and you're a Boston trader Paul George for Jimmy Butler for collider Leonard and also notably post any age for Kevin Durant and the rockets are on my list it's interesting how the tables have turned in 2022 when Durant issued a trade request to get out of Brooklyn the Celtics were one of the hot names and I wrote back then that I would not trade jail and brown and others it would have been other stuff for Durant and part of the reason is I there were many

reasons but number one it's I hate trading up an age and it was from 25 to 33 at that point jail and to Katie I wrote about how there's a very good possibility jail and brown has not peaked and particularly that he's developing as a playmaker a little bit later in his career that turned out to be right and I wrote that at that time the Celtics were coming out for finals appearance and we're already one of the favorites if that de-favorite to win the championship next year

and so yeah Durant like make me more of a favorite now because of his fit with Tatum his maliability his he's Kevin Durant four years ago but I'm not sure he bumps my odds up today enough for the damage to tomorrow and so sure enough to Celtics didn't do it and they won the championship two years later now you're aging up from 29 to 37 so jail and brown is now approaching age 30 instead of right in the meat of his prime it's much more likely that he has peaked

that this year is his peak which what a peak you have won the title with this core you've achieved that and you are now in position where you get the extra stuff from Houston for Kevin Durant it's and Houston just gets to get out of the Durant experience reset it's it's age roster a

“little bit but still have a superstar talent coming in I think it's interesting I think”

multiple picks probably have to go to Boston I don't know if I can get that net swap next year

which is super valuable probably not ultimately I think I think Durant has reached an age where

I'm just not gonna that's not the guy I'm going for from embossies two old and there's just too much noise everywhere he goes now so but it's it's interesting to think about yeah it's a tough it's tough to kind of bank on that and just again like the way those the past few teams with Durant have gone as well it's a bit frustrating like I don't know if you really want to sign up for that if you're Boston in that way and you know although it would be podcast goals for us

with with Bill and talking about KD in Boston that'd be a lot of fun for the podcast world but I don't think that's something you're I think the KD run is him being the most sought after guy is probably coming to an end pretty quickly okay some other ones just for shit think it goes as I say the obvious don't but not obvious but like the teams that have assets in the ability to win for jail and brown enough for you on this Toronto can get into any conversation they want

I don't see it a jail and brown trade happening there for various reasons I don't think he's there type I don't think he's there guy that they're going to go all in on at that money and they also just have the contracts they would trade are just contracts no one is really itching to get right now um to me again we talked about already but if Cleveland loses this series they're just anything's on the table for them um I don't even know what the trade would be like do you start

“I probably I think they would be very hesitant to do but like I just don't know what I”

maybe there is no trade for that reason but my amy always has to be mentioned with yannis and

or jail and brown um same kind of packages you know picks young guys hero wiggins blah blah blah just just to do it sign and trade Austin Reeves plus all three plus all the picks for jail and brown just to mention the leakers they'd have to throw in more money don't see that one Celtics and leakers don't trade with each other warriors at for first round picks I just the salary getting to the salary is very very hard

good art impossible yeah the one wild card that I kind of thought was interesting I'm just making this up out of whole cloth to be clear is would Brooklyn ever do something with Michael Porter junior plus salary filler plus they have a I mean I don't know how many picks it would take but they have like nicks picks up the wazoo they have a big nuggets pick in 2032

point shooting he's younger than jail and brown is he injury prone maybe

“and the nets get hey we have a superstar he's not very he's 29 maybe we can get another star in the door”

with some of our other asset I don't think that's crazy I do feel like Michael Porter junior's game and just general Michael Porter juniorness is maybe a little volatile for a team that's moving off a tent pole the love super star finals MVP I tried with Sacramento I just I can't do it you keep trying I don't vanish in the Sacramento I tried with Charlotte just because I do think Charlotte has they've just got a ton of stuff and they're clearly ripe for a little bit

of a winnow move but again like I'm just not parting out of my I'm not doing pinnacle I'm not doing Miller I'm not I mean lamello I don't know the positive I'm not going to be interested in that and I'm not doing I'm not messing with what happened in Charlotte leave leave Charlotte alone I have one more little wild one but uh I thought Jamal Murray for jail and brown I thought about that a

“little bit like if I mean I'm salary has to be sent you know the the nuggets have to send a”

little more but I'm wondering if that's something you actually have to have the conversation about it both teams do I mean for Denver you're gonna lose a primary ball handler for a team that doesn't really have a ton of actual ball handlers and you know for the Celtics you're defensively you're taking a hit which am all but you're adding a lot of offensive firepower as well like it's going to make up a little bit for what Jalen does offensively but you can't do obviously the

defense side of it's going to take a hit but you're hopefully taking them's coming back ready to go all next year you're kind of think about it what a sea change that would be for both teams in terms of style personnel obviously with Denver you have the sort of wing defense thing that they don't I mean they did not have because of injuries but you have you'd have to resolve the cam Johnson payton Watson contract like all of that would have to be resolved and then if you're

Boston like do a Murray preacher white slot point guards ish I mean Derek White kind of flamed out at the end of the season but he's still Derek White it's interesting it was on my list I just still think the most likely I'll come by a lot is that Jalen Brown is on the Celtics next year and Jason Tative on the Celtics next year they tweak around the edges a little bit they have a repeater tax issue that they have to deal with I'm interested to see how they navigate

that because in the end shedding all that veteran talent did hurt them particularly on the front mind once the playoffs got going and Joelle and bead came back it can be interesting well look in four days when I get out of that ballroom in Chicago the landscape of the league will be a little clear for the next couple of months and given what Jimmy Hazeln said about Janis buckle up because the offseason of unofficially starts at the combine when all the agents are there and all the

teams are there and I will be there too and everyone's gonna be whispering and huddling and having conversations and meetings at the fancy hotels it's a fun time mode to kill work you're in New York this week tell people why yeah I'm in New York I'm working with the NBA we are putting on a show

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“gonna learn some stuff get get you ready for the games and honestly like it's been a lot of fun”

to do we're doing this all the way till I think game five of the second round so make sure you're checking that out today we'll be five thirty Eastern there you go and the usual double dribble podcast with your adubin offside all of that mode you're the best to appreciate your time have fun I'm the shit the X show today thank you for having me Zach enjoy the draft lottery I know you will

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