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but let's not forget that Jonas Vingigar can basically win any stage race where Pugachar is not

“when he's not 100%. So that's I think that's the difference. He has just a bigger”

engine than Palizari for the moment. Palizari is a great talent, but you know everything needs to be top for him to win, which he did into of the Alps, but it costs a lot of energy man and then I think also you know, all the hype around him, you know, the Italian Hulk. It's not easy to deal with that as a young writer. There's a lot of expectations, a lot of pressure on his shoulders. Hey everybody, welcome back to the group. I'm Spencer Martin. I'm here with the Johan Brineel and we are

breaking down at stage nine of the Jardataya as well as doing our rest day week one review and then also previewing week two. Well, first do the breakdown of the stage and then if you want content for the rest day, make sure you pause the show, come back on tomorrow's rest day. But Johan, I'll just recap the stage really quickly and then we'll talk about it. Jonas Vingigar, as you predicted, won the stage,

“summit finish at Cornell, Alas Skala. I believe they've only done this one time before. Is that,”

I think like Dominic Caruso, maybe was in the front group. It was like 20 years ago the last time.

They did it, feel let's go. Was second 12 seconds back. David did Pigan Zoli from team Visma,

Lisa bike, third at 34 seconds back, edging out time and ours been for a four second time bonus. Super impressive. Johan's going to tell us he's got insight info about why they're doing this with their support writers. The day what started faster, you know, was one of these stages where flat is flat to rolling for the first 100 kilometers and then they hit two climbs that were kind of merge together as one final climb. The toughest gradients were in the last four kilometers,

which is where the action was. But there was a hard fight for the breakaway. A move. I mean, if you, if you really want to fill time on the rest day, go back and watch the opening hour of the stage because it was quite interesting watching the breakaway being formed. A soft move gets cleared. The cath one is really anxious about a strong writer is going away that can contest the stage. Clearly, they wanted to try to get all a stage win and I guess make a statement on this race.

You can see writers, you know, the GC teams and sprint teams are blocking the road because Milan's trying to get up the road. My knee was marking him. A lot of interesting stuff happens. But they eventually blocked the road. The break gets a gap around two minutes and then when they get to a little like a small climb, uncategorized climb, Julio Jacone rips clear, bridges up to the move to other writers. One of them, two nards, who's just sitting on his wheel. Pretty funny to watch,

but he did better than he would think because he didn't work as a smart move. And then as they get closer to the final climb, Visma comes to the front pushes the cath one off. Visma in the cath one are kind of fighting for position at the front. Sapku skits to the front with about three and a half K to go. Julio Pelazar is dropped before anyone attacks. As we, as we kind of hinted at yesterday and then feel it's call attacks with two or two point three keys to go.

You want to swim in the guard, follow them. There's no daylight between those guys. Pretty much at any point all day until Vignacarta attacks. Time and armsman was the strongest in the Peloton

“behind. They catch Jacone, they pass on the drop 'em. I believe I know Rubio is in there somewhere.”

He got passed and dropped as well. And then Jonas waits until nine hundred meters to go. Attacks out of the saddle for once. He's putting out major power. Velon has a power lay over on it. He was doing 700, 600 watts during the attack. Standing up so we know he's really trying and then he prized the gap open. It's stuck around four or five seconds. He gets it up to 12 seconds by the

finish line at wins. Golf second, golf puts time. He loses a stage. He loses time to vinegar.

I don't know if that's necessarily devastating for him into Catholic because he puts time into everybody else with the time trial on Tuesday. And then time and armsman come in for third place. No, he's not because he's chased down by David did Piggansoli from Visma. I didn't see that when coming and they both finished 34 seconds down and then super impressively, Yohan. The race leader, Afanza Ulario, who had been dropped when Gahl made the move. He was kind of back

with Egan Bernal. He finishes just six or seven seconds behind. Arinsman and Piggansoli. He's 41 seconds down on the stage. So he's losing time to vinegar at Gahl and Arinsman. He's not losing time to anybody else. In fact, he's out climbing them. So he goes into the rest of the second rest day. Really should be the first rest day. 224 up on vinegar at 259 up on philosophical. 432 up on Jai Hindley, who's now the Red Bull leader after Julio Pelazari had a bad day. Christian's

groanie from Estana, 443. Time and armsman net company NEO set five minutes. Pelazari's down

Yeah. Well, Spencer, you summed it up really in detail. But I would say when I started to watch the race, we had Decathlon really driving the Pelazaron. There was a breakaway, initially Chiconi, Anurlisi and Tornar, so we're not there yet. But already there, Decathlon showed that they had ambition. You know, initially you would say, well, why are you doing this, right? Because they had assistance of Barrain. But Visma was just sitting and chilling in the Pelazaron on their

Red carpet, basically. They didn't have to do anything. And we heard also afterwards from

some of the teammates that their goal today was not to go for the stage when they didn't want to spend the team a necessary, they didn't have to. But you know, logically you would say, why is Decathlon doing this? They're doing the job for Visma, right? I thought that also first. But you know, there's one thing that we have to keep in mind, Spencer. You know, the riders in the bunch, they see things, they hear things, they know things and feel things that we don't know.

And I'm personally pretty sure that they had information. They're talking that, they have training

“partners who are on other teams. And I think they had information about Pelizari, before the stage,”

that he was, he's in decline. Yeah, obviously you'd see. You see that two times he couldn't hold a wheel of, to a hintly, that's a little indication. But also, you know, riders, we're in the Pelazaron, riders on different teams they talk, right? So I'm pretty sure that was the main reason. Not so much for the stage when because they know that Decathlon knows that if they drive it, they're going to get the breakback. But Jonas is still going to beat Felix Calv, unless something

unexpected has happened. So in my opinion, that was the real reason why they were pulling, driving it, making it hard. And you could see, on two times on the climb, first of all, on the first climb, Pelizari was already in the back that didn't look good. But, you know, you could say, maybe he's just, you know, trying to preserve energy and not fighting for position. But on that last

“climb, he got to the back of the main group pretty early. And personally, I think, you know, considering”

how bad he looked, he comes away, okay. You know, he loses what, one minute, 40. I'm going to 40, but yeah, it's like the third straight climb in stage where he's not like to be missing. Yeah, yeah, listen, I mean, if you look Spencer, I mean, I look back a little bit Juli Petizari, you know, there was a lot of hype about him, right? Before, before the Giro, but if you look at his second, if you look at his season right now. So, he started early

February in Volta Valenciana, Fulgas, at the service of Ramco, but also third in G.C. He was the second bass rider in the race, I think. Then he went to, he did classical line and started Bianca, Fulgas. From there straight away to Tireno, Fulgas was third in G.C. And he was first until like the final stage or some point. Actually, he did Milano Turismo. After that, Fulgas, he got forward. He did Milatsa Ramo and then he did two of the ups.

Fulgas, the guy has not decompressed at all. And you know, it's typical for a guy who's been on that

high level. He has raised the block man. If you look at his days of racing. And always, always

going for it. You know, he'd never did a race where he didn't go for it, except maybe Milatsa Ramo, I would say, potentially. But that's, you know, at some point, you come into the Giro really hot and full of energy, very motivated after fresh off that victory into the ups. But

“here's the bill. After, after one week, 10 days here's the bill. You know, so I, I think it's going to”

keep going in decline for Peridari. He may have, you know, a revival in a stage or something. But personally, I think for the overall, uh, for the podium, I think it's, it's not going to happen for Peridari in this in this Giro. You know, who that reminds me of is 2019,

Premus Ragoge. Remember this, he just had an amazing start to the year. He comes in,

engines rev taught and he is fallen, he starts the Giro really well and then he's falling apart.

final time trial. Also, that time trial, one by child Haga, who is Texan. I was wrong about that.

Yeah, yeah, I know. And we, we said there was never a Texan who won a stage. That's true.

Somebody must be about it. Sorry, Chad. Yeah, I thought, man, I'm off that sounds right. Yeah, you went to Texas A&M. So first, I'm just going to roll plays a stupid person here. Then Jonas from the garden, he's at 24 race days coming into this race. He did three stage races. He's a two stage races. He's a GC leader. One, both. How's that different from Pelazari's lead-in? How many, how many, so he did what he did? He did Parinese and Catalonia.

Parinese and Catalonia. So Pelazari has very six four days that I'm in this year. Yeah, and we can't, yeah. I mean, the thing is also, I mean, with all due respect for Julia Balizari, who's a great talent, great rider. But let's not forget that Jonas,

Jonas Vingigar, can basically win any stage race where Pogacha is not, when he's not 100%.

“So that's, I think that's the difference. He has just a bigger engine than Pelizari for the moment.”

Pelizari is a great talent, but you know, everything needs to be top for him to win, which he did in two of the Alps. But it costs a lot of energy, man. And then I think also, you know, all the hype around him, you know, the Italian hope. It's, it's not easy to deal with that as a young rider. There's a lot of expectations, a lot of pressure on his shoulders. And yeah, I mean, the first, the first, well, actually, you know, the first mountain stage,

he was not second to Galba second. So, well, yeah, he was blown by Galba, passed by his teammate. What's weird is he actually looked, I would he responded to Vingigar on that first mountain

stage. I thought this guy looks amazing. And then he gets dropped to K later. And then he's never been

the same since. But yeah, yeah, I said yesterday, I was very excited about him coming into this race. And then the closer we look and the facts are just laid out. It's like, well, this kind of makes sense that, you know, he's probably not going to, the bottom is not going to fall out. But he's going to

“have a battle here to finish in the top five. You would think. I think so. Yeah. I think so.”

You know, it's it's all, I mean, a big, a three week stage rates. It's about, you know, the inertia, you know, the the energy you have, you either go up. You stayed the same or you go down. And I think to look at the jury, unfortunately, is going down bit by bit, physically and mentally. You know, it's in because it's also, it must be hard to deal with, for him also mentally. You know, he came in super motivated with the belief that he was definitely going to be on the podium. And now

it looks like he's going to be extremely difficult for him to be on the podium. And also he sees other riders who are coming up where he is declining a bit. I'm even for Red Bull, Borahons go. I'm during the stage, the commentators were saying, it's the only team with two contenders left. This is the team that they could challenge Jonas after the stage that more to comments. You know, I, I don't want to, I don't want to say there. The commentators are a rotation of it's like

Robin McEwen, Rob Hatch. And then a few others. I don't know who said that. So I don't want to. I could maybe even had switch forward to flow bikes when that happened. But let's just say things were looking good for Red Bull. And then after the stage, Jai Hindley's now, he's in fourth, but he isn't even really have a clear pass to the podium because his time traveling is, he's going to hurt in that time trial. Pelazari is ninth. It's just, it's quite the switch of fortune

“for that team, which looked like they were coming in strong. Yeah, it's still, I mean, I think, I think”

Jai Hindley, because I got a, you know, a correction from an Australian fan, we can't say Jai is Jai Hindley. He, yeah, I love Australia, but they just, they just make up names. Jai, Jai, it's Jai. Oh, natural, but, but yeah, I mean, I think I think he's definitely has the engine. He's proven that he can, he can do a great three week, three weeks. Usually, it's very consistent. It gets better through through the race. And, you know, I think we have to take into account

though. So he's now, number one, within Red Bull, in the Jiro, I would assume. I've been told that also he's in a contract here. So I don't know if he's signed already or not, but anyway, if he hasn't signed, there will definitely be bonuses for good performances until the end of the season. So he's super mad. It looks like he's not staying in Red Bull and I've said it already. I think it looks like he's going to Fisma. If that's not done yet, but, you know, there's for sure going to

to fight for for a great classification. There's too many, I think there's too many guys in that

“same role at Red Bull. I think you should probably leave because they just have, they've”

cloned to the same writer like six times. They can't, you can't have six writers going for third place

at the Jiro or the tour. The thing is also answering, you know, I mean, these guys, Jay, Jay, Hindley, he's a leader on in his own right, you know, but then normally he's going to be in a, in a, in a, like the, the super domestic, the last man standing next to the leader. That role, the thing is that at Red Bull, there is nobody to be that leader, you know, with guarantees. Right. So I think he would be very valuable to Fisma, to be in, like in the role, to be with, you know,

the, the, what Sabgus has done, or what Paganzaoli is doing, or, you know, he has a lot of experience in grand tours. Yeah, I'm, if he, if he goes there, I, I, I, I like that. I would like that signing.

And do you think, let's just, let's just say, Pelazari is doing great. Having a great day.

Just a cast on still kind of has to do it. They do, right? Because Phil's gone needs time on people.

“He can't just sit around because he's going to lose a ton of time in the time trial, presumably, right?”

Yeah, I mean, the, the question is, how much is he going to use against the real contenders? You know, I think I think Phil's gone. I'm going to use loose time. Yes, yes, vinga guards. And, uh, definitely against Aronsman. Um, there are G. West. Yeah, but I don't think we can consider the RNG West arrival for Phil's goal. I mean, especially Spencer.

Oh, what a different, a week makes. I don't know if we should just crown golf is like an unbeatable. No, no, I mean, listen to me. What we've seen for now. I mean, Derek Derek G is, he's, he's not bad. He did a great end of the stage. He looked a bit, a bit in trouble there early on on the climb. And then he came back pretty good. But, and, and he's maybe got to improve during during Chiro, but, but I just personally think that Phil's goal is in better shape. He's a better climber.

And, you know, the 40 kilometer, 42 kilometer time trial is, it's going to make differences, but it's not going to be decisive. Um, compared to the incredible monstrous mountain stages we still have ahead.

That's where we always say about the mountain stages. Never, the differences are never that big on

them in the mountains. There's, there, there, there hasn't been a real hard mountain stage yet. There's there was blockhouse, which was, you know, one climb. And there was today, which was one climb at the end. A real big mountain stage with three, four mountains. There's a few, there's like three or four stages of those. That's where Phil's goal shines. Yeah, I mean, but just keep it like, let's go back last year. So like, one of the hardest stages of the race, stage 16, 203k, big mountain stage.

Like 5,000 meters of climbing. You know, Derek G West, he's 13 seconds behind Richard Carapaz, he's 20 seconds in front of Michael Store and Simon Yates. You know, I would don't see these big, you don't see big minute plus gaps in the mountains really anymore. The question is Spencer, is there G in the same form as last year? He's, well, I guess, like setting the Derek G aside, yeah, I don't know if Phil is golfing count on. He can't count on big time gaps in the mountains.

Would be my worry that he's guys, they, they they bundled together in the mountains of it. We don't see the big time gaps like we used to. But you already got more than a minute on almost everybody, just on the bookhouse. Yeah, he's also one bad positioning mistake from losing that time, too. You know, I don't, well, so here, why did the Catholic on do that then? You think it was just for

“Pelazari? Because that's a lot of work that I did. I think they're focusing on the podium and they”

would, they just want to, you know, they want to ensure the podium and I personally, I think they had information that Pelazari's not feeling great. You know, I mean, I hope, I hope it doesn't happen, you know, but I don't want to jinx it for him, but I would not be surprised if Pelazari does not finish this year on Italia. But, but then that would indicate they shouldn't have done that, right? Because of the moment, you don't know, of course, even initially, where we were all talking about

Jonas and then was Pelazari, Philly's got, nobody almost, almost nobody talked about Philly's car. You know, for the podium. It was, you know, it was, it was Pelazari, Hintley, Bernal,

particularly consistent, I guess, would be the concern. Yeah, that's true. It struck me, listen, yesterday we were, we were banging on, on, on Philly's car for being in the back at the end on those steep climbs, and, you know, so what a difference that they can make, right? If you were, what's clear, Spencer is that we had two really hard climbs, and two times Philly's goal was

“the best of the rest, and was relatively close to you and I was thinking about it. I think that's,”

that's my conclusion. But if you were to California, would you have worked all day for that? Probably. I mean, I think if you, if somebody, if one of your rivals is having a hard time, I mean, probably not the whole day, Spencer, because ultimately, you know, what you do on the, on the early part, it doesn't really hurt that rival who's in trouble if he's sitting in the bunch, but, you know, as soon as, I mean, it's not really that lost. They were working on the flats.

Like, that's not really hurting Pelazari. Yeah. Yeah. No, I would not have done that. It would not have done that. Do you think they were, where they go on for the stage when you think? Is they really were focused on the break away? It's not really realistic, you know? I mean,

you, although you never know. I mean, they probably got real big morale out of the last four

kilometers on blockhouse where Philly's goal did take time back on Jonas, and, you know, you have to test your rivals first to know, right? And today, he was strong. I mean, I, I would easily say that he was equally strong as Jonas today. Jonas was was strong also, but, you know, he followed, he didn't take a single pull, not that it's going to matter a lot on a steep climb, but, you know, if you're Jonas is a finger guard, and you're the best climber of the race, and you're the favorite,

you're the one who imposes the ridden once the selection is made, and he decided to not do that. So, I, I, I take away from that that Jonas and, and Visma are riding calculated and conservatively, you know, knowing that bit by bit, they can win this race without calling too deep, which we, I've been saying from the start that Jonas can win this zero, not being at 100% and trying to be 100% in the month of July.

Uh, I mean, my only concern, I know I just was, I was questioning to the skull, but, uh, you get that guy in the third week. I, not being 100% could be fatal for, for vindicard, because the climbs, like they're only going to get harder. I'm trying to get inside the calflons behind about why they worked on the flat. And I guess if you win today, let's say you do win. I mean, that's a pretty big boost going into the rest day. So, maybe it is worth it. Yeah, but how,

how was he going to win? How was he going to drop? He's going to drop Jonas and they have to believe that. Don't they? They have to. Or what are they doing? I don't know. When you, when you listen to, I listen to him in German today, uh, after the stage, and he, he's, he's not, he's not taking to account, beating Jonas. Then what just wants to do is best possible. Yeah, best possible

“result. And he's great. He's happy with the form. He's excited about the team. I think, you know,”

they, they had a plan. They kind of executed the plan. And, okay, didn't win the stage, but it kind of worked out. He's, solidly in second now, and virtual second because he's still happy with audio up there. But, you know, he's the best of the rest. And then Spencer, let me talk about it a few times. If you're the best of the rest, and something happens to the best,

to the real best, then you win. You can never exclude that. Yeah. So, you think they should not have

worked all day to pull the break. Not on the flat. I'm not on the flat. Yeah, I, no, I guess I could. Well, they do get, they do get a rest day, and then they have a time trial. So, it might not have a matter in that. I still, I still do not follow that, that, that train of thinking, Spencer, it doesn't matter. It adds up. The efforts add up. Even if you have a rest day, and then a time trial where the majority of the team is going to take another semi-rest day,

you still pay for what you do today in three or four or five days. It doesn't matter. You don't recover fully. Well, let's take a quick break, and then we'll talk about you on his funny cards. His Winnie move. His decision to sit on, and then we'll get into a few of the things. We'll be right back. Hey, everybody, this episode is brought you by drip drop. Between nonstop work, travel, and trying to stay active. I can feel when water just isn't cutting it.

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the stage winner. You know, it's finnigard wins the stage 12 second gap. A 16 second gap on

goal when you calculate in the time bonuses. Watching it, I thought, you don't just doesn't have it because he's following goal. And then he's waiting inside the final K to attack and he was really working hard to pry that gap open. Then we got some stats because the Jared Italia is really nice and they share power numbers. Everybody, the Twitter account Watson cycling did a calculation for Jonas normalizing the power at the power watts per kilo at 60 kgs, which is roughly what he

weighs. I did my own calculation and had him at about for the last 14 minutes, 405 watts at 6.8 watts for kilo. I like 1900 VAM almost. So that's, you look at that and you think, boy, he's working pretty hard. Last seven and a half minutes of the final 2.4k when the attack went, vell on release, this is real power from him, 420 watts. So that's 7.1 watts per kilo. That's not exactly struggling. You know, those are good numbers, which shows you, yeah, feel of skull is really

strong because he's doing that in the draft, you know, in a sizable draft and they're going to 20k an hour. So the draft is not insignificant at that speed. What did you think? I also think, I also think Spencer that shows, you know, it's great to have these numbers, you know, because we keep saying, well, you know, okay, Jonas is not at the top of a, he's probably not in top top shape, but, you know, if you look at those numbers, he's not far off his best, you know, because

there's not, there's not, you can't get much better than this, right? So if you would compare those with performances in the tour, I think it's pretty similar, you know? Okay, Jonas can definitely be this year on a higher level than ever in the tour of France, although I have my doubts about that, that he can, you know, he's, he was already on a pretty high level when he won the tour

“a few years ago, but, yeah, I think it's great to have those numbers to see, okay?”

This performance is pretty much, you know, up there with his best level. Yeah, so he's really good. Yeah, I, I, I feel also, if he was serious about winning the tour, he wouldn't be here for me, completely honest. I think maybe those days are over. I don't know, man, I don't know about that. I think they really believe that they can do the double. I think they really believe that Spencer. You know, until a few years ago, we all thought, you know,

a zero and twoer was not doable anymore, put out your shoulder. Yeah, but no one should make any decision based on what Teddy put out your doubts. You know, let's, I, I was just going to go back a few more years, like a few more years, like, like, um, eight, nine years ago, I think, I think

Tom Dimula was second in the zero. Yeah. Yeah, it should have won that tour and he lost it because

you know, it's not, it's not, it's not impossible. Also Chris Froome did the double the same year and also did not win. He won. So he won the the zero and then in the tour, he was

not at his back, but he still finished third. I know, but I think I think both, if we go back and

we'll do a rewatch, stage by stage rewatch, of both of those races, I think you'll see that they, I think they paid for it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, who was the last writer to do the double before, uh, before, uh, Vinc, uh, gotcha one zero and tour, was it Pantani? It was Pantani. Okay. All right. Also another person, no one should base any decision off of, right? Yeah.

“Now then before that, I was, I think it was probably Stephen Roach. No, did Andrew do it or something?”

In the writing it in a few times. Yeah. Yeah. It's I think, I think, do a treat that two times, I think, uh, what were we talking about? Jonas, Jonas is good, but what, so what do you think about

it's decision to follow? You said the, the, the leader should be setting the pace once they,

yeah, I mean, it's, it, you know, it shows that they, that was not their plan to go for the stage when, uh, they, they set that and then, you know, once they got to the last climb, they saw that the break was close enough and they said, okay, let's give it a go. Uh, but it also tells me that, uh, the acceleration and the speed of FedExal was very, very high. He was not on the limit or the verge of being dropped Jonas, but he was not, he was not like whistling and, you know, like, okay,

I'm, I'm chilling here. He was, you know, he had to work for it. Um, so, I mean, it was, he couldn't go a

“lot faster than this. So obviously, I think he was wary. He's in a position where he is in front”

of his main rival. So it's up to his main rival, he's trying to drop him. Um, I personally think, you know, if he would have imposed the, the, the rhythm, we have looked better, but there's no rules about that. You know, nobody can blame him for, for doing what he did. Uh, and then within the stage, that's the way races are, uh, goal had his interests to distance his closest rivals and Jonas was with his closest rival and then beat him. So everybody wins. Yeah, I think we should say just from,

like, a game through your perspective, he shouldn't, he is nothing. Today, we're top perfectly form going into that time trial. He did a great loss. Oh, no, Spencer, you know, on a, the last three kilometers were 10.4% pulling or not pulling doesn't make that much difference. There's a bit of, it's, I think it's more a mental, I mean, they are going to mess. It's 10% but they're going 20

“can't hour. So okay, let's still, that is, it's 20 can't hours fast. Like, yeah, you know, I, I think”

if you want us with a pooled, the last kilometer after goal initiated that move, uh, goal would not have been able to attack him and then Jonas would maybe have one in the sprint instead of attacking him. Um, that's maybe the only difference. So, uh, I mean, I've seen that he's been criticized to sit on the wheel. I, it's, it's, it's bike racing. That, it's the way he goes. We should also say, he'd average in the wheel, 420 watts. So yeah, he might, might not have been able to set, like,

that's, he must have been close to as fast as he would have been setting the pace. I think there's

the bottom line is feels called strong. That reminds me what I was going to say before we talked

about the zero tour double. It's a theme we've been seeing actually the quiet theme is both these guys in the garden and pagachar are putting out really good numbers. You go back to the, to a Romandy. I know that was cast as our tatties sucks now. Look at him. He's, he's fat and he's slow. He's putting out good numbers on these climbs and he's not winning by a lot. You know, flooring the poets is a few seconds back. I think what we're seeing is this young, like, these other riders are

raising the level. So, yeah, they're putting out really good power. They're just not blowing people away like they used to. Exactly. Yeah. So, something to actually something to keep an eye and come tour time because we've had a two man race the last few years could be could be getting more interesting. Oh, I mean, it looks like it's going to be at least a three-man race in the tour because we have to put all sexists into the equation initially. Yeah, no, I agree.

Totally agree. disagree more. Should feel us go, I'll be going into the tour to support all sex shops. No, no. No, I don't, I don't even agree with that myself. No, I mean, listen, Paul sexists would be great for him, but, you know, if it's your main goal, the zero, your focus, your whole season on it, that, you know, you do great. If he finishes on the podium,

then you have to go to altitude again, uh, usually, and then if you have to be in a support role,

usually, you don't bounce back. Uh, look, for example, okay, it worked out fine for himself. Last year's time, and yeah, it's won the zero, then it went in support of Visma. He won a stage from a breakaway, but I can't, and then he retired because he was saying other stages that he was of any value for the team in the mountains. Yeah. It's not. Yeah, it's, it's not a good idea. I shouldn't have even said it. Um, just before we leave the stage, we should talk about

Afanza Ulario. So he had the jersey. He got the jersey by a lot because of a breakaway. The thought was, well, he's going to slowly lose it and fall down the standings. He's getting

chipped, we said he'd lose like a minute and a half to vinaigarde yesterday. He lost 41 seconds,

plus time bonus. There's a 51 seconds didn't lose a lot of time. The more impressive thing in the morning, notable thing that we have to watch, he's not really losing time to a lot of other GC guys. He loses time to go all and Arnsman, other than vinaigarde. He takes time. He's taking time on people, takes time and Derek G. West. Jai Hindley, Julio Chocone, I guess he's not GC. Michael Store, that's not good. You're going for a high GC place and where you have this guy that's minutes in

“the lead and he's taking time on you in the mountains. Like, what do we make of this?”

Well, um, I'm not all of a sudden, you know, he's what he's what how far is he ahead now in GC? Well, so it's the septic because he's 244 in front of vinaigarde, but that's not he's he's like five minutes in front of time and so on. Okay, so he's 44. I'm saying that he's there's a really good chance he's still in pink after the time trial. I agree. I mean, taking two and a half minutes would be really hard. So yeah, and also, let's, you know, depends depends, you know, if it's

for example, I just watched it's a straight line 42 kilometer straight line on the coast flat. These are good bike riders, man. They're in great shape. You know, they all have good, I mean, I don't know, Vizma probably has better time trial equipment than than varaine, but let's say if it's tailwind or something, he's not losing he's not losing two minutes 44 in 42 kilometers

“being in pink. Yeah. I mean, I don't think he's going to lose it. I think he's going to be”

start to be a problem for the podium. So he's three minutes behind. He's three minutes in front of golf. Oh, probably catch him. You would think he's four and a fourth in this fourth place is four and a half minutes behind him. The problem being all of these guys fourth played some blow last time to him today. So what would suggest they will start taking time on him? Well, I think today also, I mean, he, you know, he started, I don't know if you heard his interview after the race. He started

conservatively, you know, and he tried to save as much possible energy, not fighting too much for position. If you, you know, if you remember, we saw him a bit a bit more in the back of the group thinking, oh, you know, he's slipping away. He's having some trouble. And he didn't really

amazing last two kilometers. He caught up with a lot of guys that were in front of him. Obviously,

that's also the power of the pictures. You know, like, you're in this trance, you know, like, it's all of a sudden you say, oh, wow, you know, I'm not that far behind. You get motivated and, you know, it gives you wings to leaders jersey. And even if you're not on retto, but

“but yeah, I think with all you, it's in this so now of being, you know, in the leaders jersey,”

in the second biggest race in the world. And yeah, after the rest day, he, I think, I think, you know, doctor, doctor, and definitely, I would say. I'd be shocked if he's at the top 10. Yeah, he's, let's not forget Spencer, you know, he is a good rider. He is a good climber, you know, he's not, you know, this guy, this guy has been already in front, like with, sometimes you see these attacks, in certain races on all climbs and all of a sudden you see this,

this baranguider, who is that? Oh, it's a lot of you. I've seen a few instances of those already. I say, wow, this guy is a good bike rider. Well, on that note, last year, probably one of the toughest World Championships of all time, 270k brutal, brutal. Tom Pickock said, he's a very good rider, right? Tom Pickock would all agree. He said, oh, man, that was, I wrote all out hardest race of ever done. L'Auryo finishes two minutes in front of Tom Pickock at that race.

Well, so that's, which, which, which, which, which at least ninth place finished right behind one of you, so he's a real Toro, Julio Chocone, you know, like, there are good riders that he's with. I mean, shout out my friend, JP, at the point this out to me. I had forgotten about this. That shows you is a more robust rider, maybe than we originally thought. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And, oh, so you were going to tell us about Pickock's only gets third. This surprised me,

“and I actually worked out for them because, you know, with the other day, we're like, why are they”

up these guys up there? He takes his sprint out sprint to Orangeman, gets a time bonus for third, but you said you have inside him phone. Yeah, they're doing this. Yeah, I mean, is if you look pick on Zoli, I accept Kus or the ones that keep pushing you out because pick on Zoli got third, except Kus got eight also didn't set up. No, right? So, from what I understand, the, the first reason is, if there's a bike change, okay, you have somebody close. I mean, both of those guys

are, you know, they're not super tall and those bikes would serve you on us, you know, in case

of emergency because the, the car is never going to be there, you know, they're never going to,

they're going to be, love earlier than the car, unless it, you know, it's a long climb in you know, as is one or two minutes ahead, but it's, I can understand that, you know, it's, it's it's a great way of assuring that there is mechanical assistance from within the team on the road, always need a bike. Yeah, actually, this, this reeks of Patrick Pro as well, but I actually do quite like that because that, if you're Jonas, it's the biggest disaster that, other than a crash,

it's the biggest disaster that could strike. Physically, you're there, you're where you need to be, oh, you got a flat because you're running a time trial tire and you're standing on the side of the road. I mean, we saw it happening in a pull right, probably cost him to obey this year. Let's just hope

they're on the same pedals. Let's hope they're not writing a different pedals. They're all on the,

they're all on speed play. No, in, in Visma. Yeah, which is owned by Y. Wah, who now, I believe, but yeah,

“actually Lance was an early speed play guy. Remember that he switched to a speed play because he thought”

it gave me better. Probably was on to something there. Sometimes I wonder about being locked into an SPD pedal and if that's good for you or not. Piggins only 23 super impressive, right? I didn't see that coming, but yeah, I don't know. Give me more of that. I want to see what this guy can do. What a pick-up. That's it for them. Anything else you want on the stage before you move on? I think we've covered everything. I mean, put you calling him, man. It was a great stage for him.

You know, it looked like he was strong, but, you know, he spent so much in that pursuit. When, you know, when they went, when these three guys went, they had to bridge two minutes. I know. With, with everyone guy helping them. And they, they didn't have in a, in a, in a 15 kilometer distance in 15 kilometers. After they attacked, they were there already. So that cost a lot, then afterwards, you know, he was kind of driving the, the breakaway also because as soon as he got there,

I think the others say, okay, you know what? I mean, he's the strongest guy. So responsibility to him. But shows that he's in really good shape. And he's probably going to win a stage in this, uh, you already had think. And I think he's going to win a stage in this year. Is it good? It is a bit of bad luck, too, because I heard that Vismar didn't want to win the stage. And they were going to let a break-o. So if it wasn't for decline, he would have won that stage.

Yeah. That is bad luck. And we got pretty close. 57 seconds off the leader. He was right there.

“But that's what you got to do. I actually like the idea of adjusting to the scenario, like who,”

I don't like this early breakaway situation. I'm going to wait till the one bump when I can get away and bridge up to them, your fresher when you get to the final climb. I think that's actually the way to go versus trying to get into it at the beginning, which was seen. Yeah, there's no, if it's two minutes, answer any half to chase for 15 kilometers with just one guy pulling that takes a little out of you. That was probably what cost him the victory at the end, that pursuit. Do you think

that you know, to get in the break at the beginning, he's going to have to give so much minus danger today. I mean, that's, they'll be better stages later. They don't get a chance at.

Today was always going to be hard to get away first. He said that he's looking more

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Okay, Yohan. So the week one review just to get people an overview because it actually gets hard to remember. You think it wouldn't be that we've only nine days in. But we started in Bulgaria. If you remember Paul Monier when stage one is in a sprint stage two was a very hard climb that I had kind of forgotten about it until I went back and watched. But you're just going to go to tax breaks, things up. Thomas. Sorry, Guillermo Thomas Silva from Uruguay. Honest on a

wins the stage gets the Mad Maglia Rosa. Paul Monier when stage three and a cobbled sprint they

and turn her to drop back. You get Igor Ariato when stage five brutal, brutal cold rainy day through like medium mountains. Dabby day ballerini when stage six and Naples in the crash Marta Sprint. You're just going to guard win stage seven on Black House. Jonathan Narvius wins again on stage eight beautiful breakaway day through the Mark Gay region. You're just going to guard wins today stage nine. That means Paul Monier is two wins. You're just going to guard his two wins. Jonathan Narvius is two wins.

We're already seen a pooling of resources with the top one percent here. Thomas Silva won.

“Ariato won ballerini won. All these guys are very good riders. That's what they all have in”

common. The stage winning teams that's even more pulled you on. UA has three wins. It all quicks up as two wins. XES Estana has two wins. Vismans, two wins. I don't know if I've ever seen

a grand tour that goes into the first rest day where no team has less than two wins or has a

single win. It shows you how hard it is out there for a small tunnel. It's hard. If you have to be a really good rider to win stage and ground tour and as a team to win multiple stages, it's not given. It's not given. It takes a lot. I think we saw a really entertaining stage. Manning even the sprint stages were entertaining. Unfortunately, some of them because of crashes. But now we get to the first real rest day. These nine stages have taken already a lot

out of the riders because of the speeds and some of the stages were incredibly high. From now on, stage 10, that's when it starts. When it starts, when you start to see, okay, the half of the peloton, the energy is low and most of those guys do not recover anymore. They just drag themselves through the next two weeks, which is very long in the zero.

If you were Vismans, if you were Jonas, what would your strategy look like for the second week?

Well, it looks like he's not, I mean, maybe not going to be in pink. So I would personally, I mean, there's this, I also Spencer, I don't know if you've heard of this, there's this debate about the skin suits. Yeah, okay, I forget to bring that up. But first of all, why is he in a blue jersey? Do you know? Well, he's the leader in the mountains classification. I think it's the mountains classification.

So as of today, I think it's, he's officially number one, way before, but wasn't a lot of you, I mean, it must have been a lot of you. But anyways, he's, he's in this, he's in the leader's jersey and of the mountains classification. So by definition,

“you have to wear the skin suit of the sponsor of the zero, which is in this case, Castelli.”

And I've seen something a comment of, I don't know if it was Jonas or a staff member of this, but that they think that over 40 kilometers, their skin suit, which, you know, teams put a lot of resources and a lot of information and research in internal testing, getting the best possible equipment then collaborate with their equipment sponsors, bikes, wheels, helmets, glasses, clothing to have the best possible equipment. And so they

seem to think that their skin suit over 40 K is a minute faster than the Castelli, which I personally think is, it's, it's, it's, it's a lot, but, you know, mentally, if a rider knows and has done all those tests and then has to, on a day, on an important day, has to put another skin suit on, that kind of sucks, you know, and it's, it's the, it's the eternal debate, right? Like, okay, why don't, why don't the, the, the organizations of the big races,

just don't give the designs of the leader jerseys to the teams with the rights sponsor, John, and let them produce those same skin suits with their all manufacturer. I mean,

ultimately, it's not going to make that big of a difference to an organization,

whether it's the tour, the Jiro, the Vuelta, to have that little bit of extra money for from a clothing sponsor, the big, the big, the big, the big money comes from the advertising sponsors, you know,

“and so I, I think that something that the team should fight for and impose, actually,”

I, I think the teams should impose the fact that, okay, we'll wear the leaders jersey with your sponsors on, with your sponsors on, but we produce them, you know, it's easy. Yeah, just give the design to the guys and, and, and so that everybody actually use the investments that they have made over, over the, in the off season to get faster. Well, it's, it makes no sense. Let's say that's

you know how many additions over the last 15 years have been decided by less than a minute,

of the Jiro to tell you? Um, not many, it's basically half seven of them, seven of the 15.

Seven of them. I'm telling you about the mountains man, they don't do not produce the, the gaps, like we used to see. So, in theory, this is caught, this could cost Jonas the Jiro to tell you, it just mathematically half the time a minute would cost a rider the overall win. So, it's not still going to cost it the way. It's probably not going to cost him a minute in the time. Well, that's probably everything being equal, like in a, you know, I don't think it's actually

going to cost him that. Well, listen, just, Castelli is also a good brand. Yeah, but whether they, I mean, actually, they have their own brand, Fismar, right? They actually do what they want. They, they're not tied to a clothing sponsor. I don't they have like this, what is it called, yellow, be, or something? Yeah, it's like yellow and blue. Then it used to be, um, yeah, it used to be a good,

it was a good boo or something. I had never heard of the company. Oh, oh, good. But then they

went away from them and now they have their brand. I mean, maybe I, I've heard maybe you get like, I talked to a clothing sponsor that said they were paying a team like a million euros to sponsor the team. So, maybe he's my thought. It's not worth it, right? Just better make her close, but a lot of these euros, I who, I who was definitely up paying a million. I can tell you that much. Oh, yeah, then they probably not, let's just not do that. Um, but it is like the zero is a race a small

margins. You think about it as being a race a big margins. It's not. Um, so if you're, you're Jonas, you got to wear the jersey. You go in and then he's probably not going to get the GC lead. So then

“you just lay low for the second week. Yeah, I would, I would, until the, until the next, I think the next”

moment stages, what is the stage 13 or 14? 14. Like, so it's actually, it's almost a week from today. Yeah. So it's another three four days, you know, yep. It's perfect. Actually, it's a perfect situation for them. Yeah. For everybody else. But of course, Spencer, he's going to go full gas and it will all you do doesn't respond. Yeah. He's going to think, you know, he's not going to leave pink just on purpose. He's not going to slow down on purpose to not get the pink jersey in the

time girl. I thought I can guarantee. Should he may a manages effort in the time trial go slow on purpose. Uh, it'd be idiotic. What, what was your highlight from the last week? Your personal highlight. Difficult to say, um, I mean, for me personally, I think that the, the most exciting stage and the guy, and actually, I was happy because it was probably the winner of Arietta. After all, the drama, the crash, we back, the other guy crashes, a lot of you. Then Arietta takes the wrong way,

you know, and then still comes back and wins. You know, when both of them were dying to get to the

“finish, I think that was for me the most exciting moment of the, of the, of the all the stages,”

probably. That's probably been the thing that non-cycling people just random people have mentioned to me. Personally, I like the Narvaya stage wins. I, I thought, and I'm a Narvaya's guy. I thought, yes, today was beautiful. That was a beautiful thing. Also, I mean, the super exciting stage of Guillermo Thomas, you know, Silva, we were a guy that is relatively unknown for the broad public to the winning that fashion that was that was super nice. And we're learning so much about these

guys. Like I didn't know that much about him. And then now, you know, he's a, he's a very good writer. Like, not just his parents. So that's very cool. Who's one that G.C. besides Jonas? Is he, would obviously be the winner? So like who's having the best G.C. race that, but you can't say Jonas? Well, for the moment's Felix Gallo. Yeah. He's, he's, he's in poor position to be, to be on the podium. Also, I mean, who's, yeah, I mean, I should have listened. I mean, we've talked about the

value of that easing grade position. I'm kind of liking where Hendley is going. And even if Ben O'Connor today was struggling a little bit, I still see him being up there.

“I mean, at least top five for Ben O'Connor, but yeah, but I think that the winner for the moment”

of the G.C. I accept Jonas is Felix Gallo. No doubt. One person I would agree with all that. One person I would add in there who's kind of surprised. We forgot about him. He can't he stormed out of the scene at the Valtah, the Valtah, the Valtah, the Remco one, time and arrangement. I mean, he was the main engine in that chase today. And then he finished, wouldn't have wanted to lose to Piggins only, but he finishes ahead of most of the G.C. guys and he's going into the time trial

and he's climbing well. So that's, we're finally seeing Aron's been kind of put it together in

in a 11th place, 20 years old son of Joseph Beloki. He turned pro when he was, I think, 18 years old

straight into the world tour. So this is, he's 20 years old, this is his third season as a professional

rider, put a line to early to go pro. And he's in, he's in the 11th place in the overall. So he's hanging in there. He's, you know, he's confirming that, you know, he has, he's really a solid rider. I don't know. I mean, I don't know how long he could stay there, but I would love to see that guy finishing the top 10 that would be, that would be really cool. How did he pick that team? He's on EF. I don't know. I don't know. He was on a, he was on a Spanish team. And then they offered him

straight from junior, straight from junior to the world tour. Yeah, I mean, that could have been that deciding factor. Maybe there wasn't a lot of it. Yes, we're going to do that.

“So who's, who's had the worst G.C. week in week one?”

I get relative to expectations. You can't just pick the person in last place. No, I know. I know. I mean, disappointing a bit. Obviously, it's a number now. I think the worst G.C. I think is probably endless. You know, if we still get it or anybody, you know, let's not forget this guy has been at least three times, if not more on the podium of the of the Vuelta, he's been top five in the Tour de France. He did obviously have physical problems in the offseason, which, you know,

we don't know the extent of these problems. And you know, it was, it was not looking good. So when you said he wasn't able to do physical activity for three months, which, yes, yes. So so I don't know exactly what what the problem was, but obviously, you know, that he's

“completely out of it. So I think, but I would say probably I got, but no, I mean,”

I think we expected a bit more from him. Doesn't look like for the moment. He is, he's not even in the top 10. No, but the thing, the thing about Bernoulli's, we expected more, I guess. And then you go back and he's actually pacing about where he was in the last Grand Tour he did, Vuelta's opinion. So, and yeah, and he says he's doing the best power of his life. So maybe that's just kind of what Bernoulli is right now. Yeah. And he was seven that this race last year.

So you would think maybe it's the only time in that. I actually looked up whose last place, super interesting. Do you know who it is? I'm going to tell you because I'm here. I'm just here on wait. So who is it? It's actually very disappointing. Oh, wow. Frank von dembruch. Wow. Yeah. That's that's a reminder. I know something must have happened to him also because he was very promising. He came from a third division team, like a club team, did some really good races in Belgium and

that the Netherlands got picked up by DSM. Back in the days and never, I never know what the teams

were called in the last two years these teams. But, and then was two years ago, the driving force

“in stage one at the Tour de France and let the victory to remember that. Yeah. In Italy, right?”

Yeah. In the Tour de France. So, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what's wrong with him. Something must be wrong. And we thought, man, this guy started the future and then it's just something's not quite right. That whole, I mean, my next question, which team has had the worst week? Difficult. Probably. Big Nick, big Nick Boston out there. They're nowhere. I mean, I was, yeah, I would have said the same thing. We did a little track. A little track. Yeah. Technically,

yeah. If it floats, no, but today they have a close. They've been, they've never

learned jersey. We should say. It didn't have the thing jersey, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, I mean, from the big teams, I mean, Redpool has not been, you know, inter, they're up there, but there's no results, no stage wins yet. So, I think they came from more than this. The problem with Redpool, too, is no stage wins, not really the prospect of stage wins. Because unless Giant Lee is going to, and Pelazari, you're going to win from the GC group, I was going to win a stage.

Yeah. Yeah. That, that would start to worry me. Pick Nick. It a little, a little disappointing. Especially since they have guys like Frank Fiendenbrook, you'd think, they're struggling to get in breakaways. We did learn, I feel like we should, we did learn that there was this big talk of,

a third of that. Yeah. And so you're like, where did all this money go? It's like, well, actually,

maybe they don't, they might not be hoarding a bunch of money that we thought, and you wanted actually as me going back and questioning a lot of what we heard this last offseason in terms of financial figures. Because my guess about what happened there is an agent went to a writer and said, this is what, any of us paid for on Lee. Or this is what track paid for someone. So and the figure gets put out there and it inflates the market for everybody else. Yeah.

Now I'm kind of questioning a lot of what we heard in terms of these transfer fees.

Yeah, we never really, we don't know. We don't know. Yeah. So just, I wanted to see there

just pick Nick, could be even heard a lot in six million seemed like a lot for me to for Oscar only. So, yeah. Yeah. So, and everything makes sense if you've learned that that's

“not true. You're like, well, okay, that's why I picked Nick's not signing a bunch of writers. That's,”

you know, they probably paid a more reasonable fee. Along, you know, Remco Avenue poll, keep went over for a fairly reasonable fee to Red Bull. So if he got that, it would make sense that someone like Oscar and they would get three times as much as they call that a reasonable fee.

To get Remco, what they pay like two million? Yeah. How about seven? Wait, wait. What was the

transfer fee for Remco? It was seven million. Are we sure about that? I am 99% sure. Is that his salary plus his fee? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Transfer fee. Seven million. That's too much. Yeah. That's too much. Yeah. Well, interesting. Huh. I'm really now. I'm really, okay, last question, who is going to surprise us in terms of GC in the second week? Hmm. I don't know. Let me, let me have a quick look at the GC. So,

“make me somebody hooked up. I think, you know what? It's going to lose time in the time trial.”

Well, I think Aronsman is going to be good. He looks like he's solid. But I think in terms of me, if we call it a surprise, I'm going to, I'm going to probably pick Matisse Rondell, just the French writer on the floor. Very, he's a really good climber. There's no pressure on him. He's 22 years old. Yeah. I think he's going to maintain the position there in the top 10, if not move up a little bit. All the moving up is not going to be easy. But yeah, I think that would be

the guy. And I said that was the last question I lied. Who's going to win tomorrow's stage 10 in the time trial? 40, what do we say? 42 kilometers and it is pancake flat and it is straight down the coast. Wonderful. There's days. Yeah. Yeah. People gone on. Got to be Ghana, right? I mean, even if we try, let's try to reverse engineer an upset, who is even upsetting him? I mean, Ghana or Aronsman. If Aronsman wins the time trial, that's that would have it. That would be interesting because

then normally it's normally it's not me. It's Ghana. It's definitely Ghana. Definitely. Or Arons. Or Aronas. Well, Aronas being Ghana in a 42 kilometer front picture would be a surprise. But let's not forget, it's 10 days although Ghana, I mean, yeah, it has to be Ghana Spencer because Ghana has been now the last three days. He's been shaving me for him. He's been himself purely for this time trial. You know, so, I mean, Ghana owes it to himself and his pedigree to win the time trial.

The only other person I would mention is Alec Sejant. Alec Sejant. Sejant. Yeah. I see only other guy would even the engine. I would think to compete. Yeah. Maybe he'll tell you. Yeah. I think Ghana's probably, you know, better and he's a better time trialist and Alec Sejant still for the moment. I also don't know. I mean, if you look at the equipment, the Pinarello's are probably better than the Bianchi's. The time trial bikes. Yeah.

“Yeah, probably. I mean, you have to take it into account, you know. Well, yeah, it was I was”

thinking about that to yesterday because of which my picnic, well, like worse picnic should be up there. You know, a brighter that was on picnic last year and is now on a super team told me the bike is significantly slower on picnic. So you do. Oh, yeah. I don't know. There's no doubt about it. You kind of forget about it, but it does make a big difference. I'm going to say my big prediction. I mean, you're talking, you haven't said the name, but I probably don't. I'm not going to say

bike to the fastest bike. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And it's probably not stressed every day about his

“paycheck. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It really feels better on the bike. My big. I think God is going to win.”

I think you're right. My big prediction. Jonas has a disappointing time trial. No, you don't think so. You think he. Okay. But I guess we should define. You think he beats what would be a disappointing time? What would mean a disappointment? I think he notices. Not taking enough time on physics, golf and and and whoever around the hindi. Well, a success would be taking time on every GC contender. Yeah. Which I think he will. I think he doesn't accept. Except. I think he

doesn't take time on our instrument. That would be my definition of disappointment. Is it is

“art and some other real threat for you on this thing regard? I'm going to say no. Probably no. But”

if he doesn't take time on our instrument, then he's not taking as much time as he could on golf

and then does it leave him vulnerable in the mountains in the third week? No. The best climate

sponsor. I mean, he has the best climate. It's not. It's not. He's not. He's not slam the book shut with these performances. He's one. No, that's true. That's 12 seconds. Like 13 seconds. So at two times two times a small margin. Correct. Correct. The question is how hard did he try? I mean unblock how he tried timing in the numbers which suggested trying very hard. Yeah. I also, you know, he went with four get-to-go. You know, so five get-to-go, no, more or less. Five get-to-go and then

last time. After the last four get-to-go. So that's not the hard effort. Yeah. Yeah. He did try hard there. Today he didn't try it very hard. He just, you know, took the same time with a 900 meter effort compared to a five kilometer effort. Took the same time on gallop. And that's a good point. Yeah. 500 meters versus five kilometers, same time. Yeah. Which is probably also why he did not leave that wheel because he didn't want the same thing to happen. How do you think all does in the

time trial? Not good, not great. I mean, he's on good form. So, you know, like, he's probably going to be top 20, top 30. How much time does he lose to vineyard? Minimum two minutes. Whoa.

I was going to say a kilometer a second. Sorry, a second a kilometer. Yeah. No, no, no.

You need two minutes. Oh, okay. If he takes two minutes, yeah, gallop's going to have a hard time in the third week. Yeah. 30 seconds per 10 kilometers. Yeah. Two minutes would be. Yeah. Yeah. That's a blow up. Yeah. So, but you take in two minutes on gall and then two minutes on

“boulario. You think? Yeah. Yeah. And then boulario holds the race lead. I think boulario will probably”

out before them gall in the time trial. Yeah. That's not crazy to think. I, I don't know. I'm curious to see how gall does. I'm going to say, I'm going to, I'm going to go out of limb. I'm going to say gall loses 70 seconds to win again. 110. Okay. And we also, oh, whoa, can he hang? I mean, we both know that Jonas is going to win this race. I'm just trying to take myself in my own mind to tell what could happen. But thanks, Johan. And we'll be back after the time trial on Tuesday to talk about it.

All right. Let's get started. Bye.