The most important race right now Spencer is the race for second third and fo...
That's that's really still close. You know, if you look at the time differences between what is it Felix Gaul, his 4-0-3, Arnold's man is 24 seconds behind him only and then Jay Hindley is less than a minute. I have 33 seconds behind Arnold. Yeah, so it's really close.
“I think Galalia, we should be realistic and count that he's not in good tension for the podium,”
but those three are. One of them is going to fall off the podium. Everybody welcome back to the move plus I'm Spencer Martin. I'm here with the O'Hanbroneo. We are breaking down stage 16 of the Jared Italia. Some have finished in Switzerland. And to Gino, Kanton of Switzerland, perhaps a time speaking, Jonas Vindigo. He were going to start calling him by his real name at this point. 16 stages in because he's earned it.
He's winning every uphill finishes. Up uphill finish wins the summit finish by 1-0-9 over Felix Gaul with Jay Hindley coming in one minute, 11 seconds down. Time and hour has been getting held off a little in the sprint at 1-14 down. He now leads the overall. By four minutes, three seconds over Felix Gaul. This was like an important nail on the coffin for him. Now he's he's gone from the two and a half minute territory to four plus minute territory on. Hard for him to lose it now.
Time and hour has been his third at 427 back. Jay Hindley, five minutes back. And our former
race leader, Afanzo Ullalio, still in fit that 540 down. He got dropped. Early ish on the climb, finished three minutes behind Vindigo, which is not awful. Actually pretty impressive performance for him. It was a hot day, hard day, two hours, 57 minutes of racing. Through the mountains, so short explosive stage, average speed of 38 kilometers an hour. Really difficult. There was a breakaway away early. It was hard for them to get away on the flat. Chaconay force things
when they got to the first climb. The move, the big names in the move, Virgilio Chaconay, Jonathan Navaya's Chris Harper, Ina Rubio, Diego Ullisi, Navaya's picks up max points at the intermediate sprint, getting within a few points of palm on A and the intermediate classification. The Katherine started a pace on the final climb at the bottom of the final climb after Vizma kept the leash incredibly tight on the breakaway around two minutes. Red Bull comes forward. Juleo Pelazari
was dropped as soon as that happened. So they must have known he wasn't good and wasn't going to play into the GC. But then Vizma got to work on the front. Victor Campinard comes forward. Set coups comes forward for not a super long pole. I'll ask you about that later, Juleo Han. And then David Day, Pagan Zoli. He's like, "Break out star of this Euro, sets up Vindigar, Vindigo. The attack was six
“K to go and we don't see him again." I mean, right now, I think, what did you say today? He just”
looks better than everybody else. I would that would be my takeaway from today. But what is Juleo Han? Yeah, I mean, my take is the same Spencer. It's the domination of Yunus and Vizma. Today's stage, it was very clear, 130 kilometers as soon as this breakaway went and we saw Vizma keeping it under two minutes. They wanted to win the stage. After the stage we heard in both interviews of Pagan Zoli and Yunus, that their goal was to win the stage in Pink Jersey,
which, you know, obviously a stage like this, 130 kilometers stage. With the team they have, it's probably the best possible scenario to keep things under control. With that strength on the team, right? Again, an impressive performance of the whole team. Again, Team Rex was
impressive, but Lemon, Victor Compenards, I mean, Team, anybody, Tim O'Killik. And then finally,
“we had Kus and Pagan Zoli. But I think the most impressive thing was that Yunus, when Yunus went, again,”
didn't go straight away out of the saddle, back in the saddle, again. And especially the difference in speeds, Spencer. Nobody, I mean, Felix Gaul, I don't know if he even tried, you know, I mean, he did try to accelerate, but what was he 50 meters on the wheel? Yeah, he looked more in line with the other guys today than with, you know, before this, it's been Yunus Gaul. And then today he, I mean, he literally fell back to those guys that were chasing.
Yeah, yeah, I think what was really impressive, Spencer, is that when, when Compenards was pulled, so he was the, their fourth guy, right? I mean, he had four guys left. So, you know, when you, you can really see in Visma, okay, we know it's a strong team, but, you know, the power of the leader's jersey is within the whole team of Visma, you know, you know, yeah, Compenards, Kus Pagan Zoli together with Yunus. While the majority of the, the,
the riders of that first group, they were already in the heart box. You know, when, when,
when Compenards was pulling, I guess, who was, Elalio and O'Connor were, were, were dropped already.
Yeah.
When you, if you see that, you can only expect what's going to happen next, you know, when then when Kus takes over, obviously, the speed is higher, there's less people, and then,
“when Pagan Zoli, and I think if you look at, the, the way this is set up, you know, I personally thought”
that Yunus would attack a little later, but if you see the reduced group when Pagan Zoli was pulling, you know, let's not forget that until now, until today, Pagan Zoli in certain mountain stages has been the third less climber. He was the only guy who was be, who was able to stay for a while with Felix Gaugh, who was the second best climber in this race for the moment. So, and if you look at, you know, Pagan Zoli was pulling, you see Yunus in his wheel,
his face is not even, you know, not even moving, and then you see the faces of the other guys. Gaugh today had the suffer face off. Yeah. Hindley, also, Aron's Man, I mean, Arsman,
his style already always looks suffering, but anyways, you could see that when you're,
when you're, when you're last rider, Pagan Zoli is pulling, that already puts your tree next rivals in the heart box. So, it's a simple map exercise, you know, I mean, as soon as Pagan Zoli pulls off, Yunus accelerates and, and everybody else had to stay at their pace.
“I think the domination, the domination is, is the big takeaway, not a surprise, as expected, I would say.”
Yeah. And, I mean, the whole thing, like, they were pacing hard all day. I mean, you can imagine a two, a sub-three-hour stage in a grand tour, kind of hard to wrap your head around that, but the pace must have been relentless. Like, to hold a breakaway, think of hard the breakaway is going. Yeah, every time the show in Arvaya says powers around 450 watts, and he's not a big guy, to hold that gap, like Tim Rex on the front was, was killing himself,
halfway through the stage. So, they are asking a lot of these guys. Do you, what do you think
the strategy is from here on out? He is a four minute, three-second lead. Does he go for more
stagewins? Does he just take him if they come? Like, what does he do from here? I mean, you know, I think they're going to at least go for one more stage when, you know, they're still too really, really big mountain stages. One of them could potentially be a breakaway, but I think, which one is it with busseled yell? That's a yell. 19. Yeah, and that's a mountain drop finish also, right? Yeah. Yeah, I think that one. And then, yeah, Bianca Vallo,
it's not the same stage as Bianca Vallo, that's stage 20, right? Yeah, so 19 is like a true dollar-mites mountain stage. It's actually 10% average uphill finish, and then, okay, that's another one for you. Yeah, stage 20. I don't know, actually, because it's a long flat, and then double a scent of Bianca Vallo. Okay, sure. Anyway, you know, the thing is they don't have to, you know, they don't have to do anything. These comfortably in the leads. Nobody can get an even close, so they can
“just control. Personally, that's what I would do as the team manager, but, you know, times have”
changed, of course. I don't know how much pride or ego is there, you know, because now they're starting to mean it's ridiculous, actually, but, you know, they say, "Yeah, you know, forgot your 16 stages. You also want to mean six stages. You know, you shouldn't care. You just have to win the zero. I don't know. I agree." I mean, it's a nice situation to be, and like, you know, you're 16 stages, what is it? Was it 16 to the day? Yeah, stage, yeah. So,
there's still five stages to come, and you can already start to think about the two of the fronts right now. You know, like, yeah, it's too as less as possible or not just, not just your nose, but also campanauts and sapkus who will be part of the tour team. So, three nice positions to be in. I would recommend they do that. They think about that. They try to spare as much possible forces, even if they feel amazing right now. You know, it doesn't matter.
You don't need to win any stages anymore, but, yeah, I mean, I think they were just keep controlling, and at least win one more stage. And then, yeah, let's see, let's see for the rest of the
zero, there's breakaways. The most important race right now, Spencer, is the race for second, third,
and fourth, right? That's really still close. You know, if you look at the time differences between, what is it, Felix Gal, is 403, Arnold's man is 24 seconds behind him only, and then, uh, Jay Hindley is less than a minute. I have 33 seconds behind Arnold. Yeah, so it's really close. I think Eulalio, we should be, you know, realistic and I guess, count that he's not in good tension for the, for the podium, but those three are. One of them is going to fall off the podium.
You know, Arnold's man and Henki look pretty good today, you have to say, you...
that dominant anymore compared to where he was before. So, um, I don't know, I mean, he, I still think he, you know, it's, they still have to drop him, of course, but it's going to be an interesting,
“an interesting race for the podium. That's, that's, that's, I think that's the most exciting part,”
and then, uh, what else do we have? We have the KOM that's still in play, but anyways, I think it's going to be Eulalio's, uh, Eulalio's, the points jersey is the most interesting, jersey race right now, 145. Paul Manjada 143, Narvais. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So tomorrow is going to be an interesting stage for that because Narvais is probably going to try to go in the break, and he will be in the break probably, and in Paul Manjada can't be in the break. Yeah, um, so tomorrow
we, we might see another, another shift. So Manjada still in Manjada still in Chiclamino, right? Yeah, about two points. Okay. The more we move ahead, we probably will have a change again. Yeah, I, I would, I wouldn't anticipate Narvais takes it tomorrow. The, it actually is tougher than you think I was doing the math on this because if Manjada wins the final stage, he gets 50 points. So Narvais is going to have to pick up probably three stages of intermediate sprints plus
top three a stage, you know, to even be up there. So it's not, yeah, Manjada is winning the last stage. Yeah, yeah, I mean, yes, we should say that it probably most likely does not win the final stage.
Let's see, and here's where it gets really interesting. So first place is 50 points.
Second place only 35, third place 25. So if he gets third, Narvais is going to win this. So yeah, I'm, I'm loving this point jersey classification. I mean,
“it raises within the race, right? So I think that's what we have to look for now. I mean,”
you know, good for Visma, good for Jonas, but unfortunately for us fans, the race for G.C. For the first place is long over. Again, Jonas today looked exactly the same like the other day. He was time crawling up the mountain, looked completely in control, had the suffer face on a little bit. I don't know if that's real. I mean, I think he was pushing a huge number on the final client. So I would hope you're suffering. Yeah, yeah, but but this is not his limit.
You know, I think he's not, I just limit yet. So yeah, not so good for for everybody else who, but you could, you could clearly hear also in the interviews, Phoenix Gau. But what was it? Phoenix Gau and to, I don't know, not the who the other one was. If he was handling our arms, man, they just said, you know, he, there's nothing. It's nothing we can do. Jonas is just in a legal zone. His team is extremely strong. We just need to write our own
pace as fast as possible to the top of the climb and then see who's the best of the rest. That's the situation right now. That's the atmosphere. And that's the motivation of those other guys. Yeah. And I do think I kind of feel like he is, if you remember back to 2024,
Tadipagotra didn't ride a single kilometer outside of his comfort zone. Basically, he was training.
He was getting paid a lot of money to train for the two of the fronts. It's kind of the same thing with Jonas, right? Like he's not, you know, he did an effort on the final climb today, but you'd have to be riding hard and training at some point. He's essentially just here training and then it
“happens to be winning the race. Well, yeah, it's, I think it's a bit, it's a bit simplifying, you know,”
it's still hard, right? It's still hard. Well, I mean, these training games are super hard too, you know? I know, but there's not three weeks after each other, you know, these contact consecutive efforts, but it's a different hotel every night. It's great training for the system to, you know, to train how to recover, especially if you're not at your absolute maximum. So I think it's, yeah, it's a really good, very intense training camp for him.
And then I was thinking about this on the rest day. So you don't, let's just say Tadipagotra,
he's, he's a, he's a Brista in Lubliana. He never rides a bike. Jonas Finnegard would have one.
He, he would have in his pocket five tour to France victories. He'd be cruising to the Jiro win. He'd be going to the tour to win his six tour to France. He would, so he'd have five tours a Jiro of Walter, and he would have won Parinese Tereno Catalonia, the best country, multiple dolphin is like, we got to say, this is the best guy stage ratio we've ever seen, right? Yep. Yeah. I mean, he's in second stage ratio and taking, I mean, after Tadipagotra, but
yeah, unfortunately for him, there's, you know, there's Tadipagotra, let's see, you know, we're always comparing, right? And especially when they're not racing together, we're always, I mean, any race we're talking about Spencer, where it is one or the other, we end up talking about the
Tour de France.
how, you know, secondary, the other races are. But yeah, I mean, listen, for Jonas, it's an already having the Palmaris he has in the era of Bogotra is already impressive. You know, that's not, I mean, not a lot of people can say that. No, no, you know, he will have beat him at least two times in the Tour de France. That's going to seem ridiculous in the future. Yeah, if we're going to say how to that happen, it's also funny how the presence of one person can completely shape the perception of another
rider, it's same thing with John Frik. But it's the same, maybe it's been the same for for years, for ages, Spencer, you know, look, I mean, if you, I mean, when Bernard, he knows there, there was so many good riders who got second, when Adi Marx in the right, you know, a guy like Johnny Buño, imagine, John Frik would have won if in the right did not exist, you know, it didn't race. So, when Chris from appeared, you know, Quintana, Contador, others, I mean, they would have,
I mean, they would have won the Tour. So, you know, there's always these riders who appear in
“their super dominant. So, we are, I think we're lucky to see this ourselves, this domination.”
Some people say it's boring, but it's, I think I think his sport is really nice and fair, if it's the strongest guy who it's, I like that. It is good. I also, Chris Rims lucky, he didn't have to go against you and it's funny. Also, it's what's crazy to think about is if Chris Rims not around, what you almost, I mean, didn't make it into professional cycling, Roman Mordea, he wins a Tour de France. And we think, wow, what a, like, what he's the French savior, but yeah,
he just, he does, he gets second instead and you don't think about it in the same way. A few other things I was going to ask you about. So, subconscious is doing the Tour de France, correct? Yeah, and so is Victor Campinant? Yes. Is that playing into how they're managing this? Because Jonas is Jonas, like, his body can handle things other people can't, but to these guys have to think about how they spend their energy, the rest of this Euro because of that. I would say, I would think,
so, I mean, I would definitely take that into account. But, you know, it's still, I mean, it's still, when you have the favorite, when you have the leader, it's the whole Peloton against
that rider against your team. You always need to be there when it's, when it really matters.
“Doesn't matter for how long you need to be there, right? So, today, it was, it was impressive.”
They had four riders on that last climb with nine K to go and every, I mean, the rest was swinging already. So, I mean, in terms of strength, it looks pretty good. But, yeah, I mean, those three riders, at least, will do the double zero or zero, zero, and two of the fronts. And, if you were RNs been her headley, how would you, because I don't think they can drop call on a climb, how are you going to get rid of Gaul? How about that? I mean, they have to try.
I would be hopeful. I would be hopeful, but, you know, like, today, Philix Gaul tried, he wrote smart. He wrote smart, you know, when he saw, he couldn't make any ground. He saw that Bernal was pulling for RNs month. Kind of, I mean, I'm going to say, wait for them, but he did stop his effort and, you know, wait to sit on the wheel, which was,
which was, you know, smart, but then he finally got rid of them at the end with a few seconds.
I personally, I mean, I would have expected him a little bit more dominant for that second place. Let's not forget, we, you know, he's, he's, he's, he's Austrian. I keep thinking he's Swiss, he's Austrian. So, as an, yeah, and his home country has Switzerland, the times speaking Switzerland. Yeah, I mean, yeah, the thing, the thing that would give me concerns, if I was those guys, is he has a bad day, and then did you seem to accelerate away at the end? It's like, well,
“he's still kind of like has an extra gear they don't have. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think,”
yeah, for sure. They probably have to try to target him on stage, 19, some sort of maneuver. I, at this point, there's, you know, there's no more tactics, man. It still acts the legs to do the talking in these, especially in these hard mountain stages. There are no tactical choices. You just have to, you know, go, you know, make sure that you're there with the favorites at the bottom of the last climb, and then whoever has the best legs gets it. And one of them,
will probably have one day where he's, you know, a little less, and that's going to be what makes a difference between the third and fourth place, I think. It's not like all of a certain arts,
Money, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and a...
better than, and that makes go. I mean, for the moment, he's still in second. Don't you think today,
target him on that as sense, though? Like a cow. Yeah. That could be, yeah, that could be, but it's, it's not easy, and, and, and, you know, the last week of, of a, I would see that norm in the first part, the first part, the first half of a grant tour, but then, at the end, you know, your body is on autopilot, and, you know, but also, and also, and also on the descent, you know, it's not like you have, even if you're the best defender, you're worn out, and you also need to make sure you don't crash
yourself, right? That's a very good point. Yes. Yeah, that is key. That's, no, whatever talks about that, like, you gotta go out and go on the descent, it's like, what you can't, you are not immune to the crashing that you're trying to cause, which also shout out, Gregor Mold, Moldberger. This guy's been, yeah, I mean, another thing, another thing, Spencer, for example, one situ, when, if one of those stages, it's bad weather. That's the, yeah, yeah. Then, then, you could say, okay, you know what, we're going to
push him here and we'll see if we can, you know, push him so far that he starts to make errors. Yeah, I don't know if we're going to get, I don't know the way Europe is trending this week, I don't know if we're going to get back there. Well, I mean, it's hot, it's hot here now. I mean, here in Madrid today was 33, 34 degrees. I saw today in Italy was 30 degrees in Switzerland, and, you know, let's not forget they're in the mountains. You know, so it should be a bit cooler.
“So yeah, it's going to be, it's, it's very hot in Europe. And I think that's all I have for the stage,”
right? Do you have anything else? Yeah, I think so, you know, for the stage, when for Jonas already, for, for, for, for, for, went for him. Yeah, it's really good. I mean, it went every uphill finish of this race. Well, the thing is, I mean, I, you could also see Spencer, you know, the way he is in the interviews, he's, he's confident, he's happy, smiling, everything, everything goes smoothly for him now. In the way the way he feels, the way the way the
team is riding, the way they deliver him to the last time. It's pretty impressive. So he has a reason to be happy. And who do you think finishes on the podium after today? I'm still going to say,
so Jonas finish goal to hit the first three of today, that's probably going to be the podium.
Interesting. You think Arnsman gets dropped or he just gets like paper cut today by Henley. I mean, again, he still puts time into him, you know? Who was that? Like, Henley, they finished together, but Henley puts three plus seven seconds in Arnsman. You know, if he does that every uphill finish, it's a problem. It's insignificant, but it is kind of, you know, an indication of what's
“to come. Also, now, for example, Henley is now the sole protected leader of Red Bull, I think I think”
Khalid Zari lost 18 minutes today, no? He came in 18 minutes. If he must have known this, right, before the stage. Yeah, for sure. I think so. I think so. Well, you think it's an L, I mean, I guess it's used. I mean, it can be, you know, empty, just out of energy. You know, I've said it already before, you know, he peaked early already. And once you're in that down little spiral, down more spiral, it's not easy. It's like, okay, lights out, nothing more in the tank, just, you know,
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Cat three though, just three cat three climbs.
for just kind of weird two and a half kilometers at seven percent. That sounds a hard climb to me.
I wouldn't want to do that in a race. But it's due before we talk about the stage, it's Julia Chocone going to win a stage here. I mean, he was strong today. He was off the front. He's pushing it, but you can tell he wants it. Potentially too bad because he's just blowing up every move. It looks starting to look not good for him. Well, he's obviously in great shape.
“It was probably the strongest guy of that break away. I think for tomorrow, he has one problem.”
And his problem is called Jonathan Narviz. Yeah, for the stage win. Narviz needs to be in the break. We say, you know, he already won three stages, but he now is going for the points jersey, also. He probably will be in the break with the form he has. And then on a stage like tomorrow, it's more Narviz terrain than Chocone terrain. I think because those climbs are nuts. It's not for real climbers. It's more like an all-rounder, a puncher who can climb decently.
So yeah, I think tomorrow, you know, it's hard. It's been three thousand two hundred and fifty meters. So there's more innovation tomorrow than in today's mountain stage. It's double the distance
almost. But yeah, it's still in the first climb. It's hard. It's 8k, six percent. That's not an easy climb.
So it's going to be difficult to be in the break. So it's going to be strong riders. And I, I'm going to predict that both Narviz and Chocone will be in there together with others. The same guys again. You know, Chris Harper looked good. And Rubio looks good. You know, those guys are going to be there again, you know. And then, yeah, let's see. But I think I'm going to predict Jonathan Revise for a fourth stage when and tie, be tied with Jonas tomorrow for in terms of stage
“with. I, yeah, I think that's a good pick. The only thing is, I'm going to pick Chocone. I don't”
feel good about it because I feel like he is telegraphing everything too much. But if Narviz has to go for the sprint points, the sprint point is on top of a 5k long climb. I just worry it's hard to be sprinting mid stage and that you see it with KOM all the time. But then that's also Chocone. He's sprinting for every KOM. Yeah, point. It's hard to do that and win the stage. I'm going to go Chocone that climbs pretty tough. I think this is the stage for Chocone.
If he's going to win, I think stage 20 is going to be a lot harder. I think stage 18 is going to be too easy. That could be a Narviz stage as well. But I'm going to go Chocone. I, I've been trying to different strategy. This, this year, not that complex. I wait for the summit finishes and then I bet on Jonas. And it's going pretty well. I couldn't believe today. He was a plus 175 on draft games. You almost triple your money. Yeah. And I kind of wonder like, are the books not fully calculating
that correctly? Like, maybe they didn't anticipate Vs. I'm at a pace so hard. But on 113 KM stage,
it's much easier versus tomorrow. 222 KM is very hard. There is always been possibility
that a break away gets clear. And then also this message, you know what, you know, we're not going to spend the whole team on this. Which I think will be the case tomorrow. Yes, exactly. If you know tomorrow, if you look at Jonas tomorrow, his odds, they're not going to be up there. You know, I think it's going to be very, very high. And you see this. I mean, they don't have to control it. They shouldn't control it. That's going to be a long stage. Like, over five hours,
probably, if not around five hours. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you see this like, from lumber to the base of the Dolomites is almost always a breakaway stage. You know, I would expect it to be the same tomorrow. Yeah. Are you on? Well, given anything else on the stage? Not really. I mean, good. Listen, good, come back, good performance of Derek G. I would say. You know, he was, you know, he was, you know, he's not been there yet at this level
for one reason or the other. He was, you know, sometimes a bit below expectations. But today,
“he did a great stage. Today, I think, and he gets closer in the top 10. No, is he seven or eight now?”
He says, I think moves up three spots. Yeah, six. So that's pretty good. You know, that's what he belongs. You know, he's Derek G is, you know, like four, five or six normary in the stop of race. So it's going to be great for his morale and the key. He puts two minutes into a Laluo and he's to, like, two minutes, a little under two minutes behind him currently. Yeah. So he could probably finish fifth if he continues. Yeah, definitely can finish fifth. Yeah. Which is a good, that's like to
think about where Derek, he started fourth this year to tell you, fastward 12 years fifth with
Jonas, like, well, that's not so bad.
that especially what happened in between, you know, like there's the offseason and certainty about
“that I think a crash probably in Catalonia, if I remember correctly, or something happened to him,”
I don't remember what I think it was a crash in Catalonia. Yeah. Yeah. You know, which, which affects people more than, you know, like Oscar, on the crash out of Perry and he's
I believe. And then, yeah, didn't break anything, but it affects, but if you don't break up anything,
people just kind of like, yeah, whatever, he'll get over it. But it does affect you and it affects
“how they're not prepared for it. Sometimes, if you have an injury, a lingering injury that you can't”
really find, you put your finger on it. And sometimes it's actually even better to have a fractured bone.
Yeah, you know, actually how long it's going to take to heal, but are then something that you're
trying to like knee injuries or like this, you know, there's there's some guy that are all with knee injuries through three four months. Yeah. It's better to break it on, man. It is. It is. And it's so like the soft tissue injuries are so hard to come back from. Yeah, and you'll some palace, I guys been on and on for two years at this point with a soft tissue knee problem. Um, just a personal question for you. Do you prefer this exhibition we're getting from Jonas, or would you
prefer him not to be here? And we're going into stage 17 with Gaul, Orange, Ben, and Hiddly all within a minute of each other for the lead. Ah, I prefer I prefer Jonas as being a ground to or
“deserves a champion with her. Not saying others, uh, but, you know, um, yeah, I think it's better for”
the sport, man. If the big, the big names win the races, and it's better. I did tend to agree with you on that. You would think it wouldn't be that way, but I even think the viewing numbers barely obviously the end of last year's zero was unbelievable. And those are some big personalities, like carapass, Olympic, you know, he's an Olympic champion, del Toro up and come in so many eighths. He's one and grand tour. So it's not like these were nobody's, but I do
think the viewing numbers tend to be better when you have a dominant superstar, which you would not think. You would think it would be the other way around, but like Denmark's going to be dialed in on this year. Oh, yeah, yeah, so well. Yeah. Well, thanks, Johan, and we will talk tomorrow about stage 17, and then previous stage 18.
