Practical favor is not surprised by the conflict situation that has a reason ...
Remko, even a Putin, Flora, and Lippewitz at Red Bull Bora, Hanskro in the Tour de France.
In his column in Hidden Newsblot, the former team director who worked with Evan Appu for years said it was only a matter of time. And I quote, "Sorry, but this was written in the stars. I work with Remko for seven years, so take it from me." He is the alpha male among alpha males. It is me, myself, and I, with Ranko. Shared leadership, nothing is mined.
If that sounds harsh, show me a team leader, a real team leader who is not like that. Everybody, welcome back to the move plus. I'm Spencer Martin. I'm here with Johan Bernal, we're breaking down stage eight of the Tour de France one by Timberlier over Benjamin and Olaf Koi.
Finally, some order. Finally, we have order in this friends Johan. We have a discernible
reason for one, two, three. Timberlier was just too fast for everybody else. Well, break that down and we're also going to preview tomorrow's stage nine, which has changed slightly due to extreme heat before we do that Johan. I want to ask you about we're going to go back to Ranko Evan Appu. He's a constant content machine. He keeps us employed. Thank you so much, Ranko, for doing so.
Showing the reason, another reason probably why he should not have made those comments, who's who's weighed in, none other than Patrick Lefevira, his former team manager, the boss, the former boss, the sort of a quick step team, Johan, what has he said about this and what do you think about it? Yeah, so Patrick Lefevira has his weekly column in, I don't have,
“I think it's a newsblood, yeah, a newsblood. Belgian newspaper and Patrick is known to, you know,”
not weigh his words, you know, he says what he thinks. Patrick also is known to not be afraid either shy away from any controversy, but I don't think this is controversy here. I read his comment this morning, and I have it written down here, so they asked him about Ranko's declarations, after the stage of the stage again, the stage of the, what's the stage again? Wait, the stage is a normal stage. So I'm going to quote, so it says,
Patrick Lefevira is not surprised by the conflict situation that has a reason between Ranko, even a pool in Flora and Lippewitz at Red Bull Bora, Hanskro in the Tour de France. In his column in his newsblood, the former team director who worked with Evan Appu for years said it was only a matter of time. And I quote, sorry, but this was written in the stars. I worked with Ranko for seven years, so take it from me. He is the alpha male among alpha males. It is me, myself and I
with Ranko. Shared leadership, not in his mind. If that sounds harsh, show me a team leader, a real
“team leader who is not like that. That's pretty telling and not surprising, I think. I mean,”
there's one thing here that I would defer from, from Patrick is that, at least in this Tour de France, Ranko has known from for a very long time that he is not the only team leader. He hasn't earned that right at this team yet. And so I think in that context, you know, I mean, it's clear that what the favor knows what he's talking about. He has been managing Ranko or I would say trying to manage that Ranko. That's probably a better definition.
So, so I think, I think, yeah, there's nothing, there's anybody better placed than Patrick the favor to make that observation. So, we'll see what it brings now. It's going to depend on the performance and, you know, the legs are going to do the talking, like we say in cycling. And we'll see what happens. But I think it was an interesting observation from the favor. Yeah, he would know. So, we have to defer to him on this. He's probably correct.
He's right that a lot of leaders do not want to share leadership. The only quibble I would have with that is he knew that foreign level, it's got third at the Tour before he went to Red Bull. Like, that was known information. That was out there. And it's not clear to me that he's good enough
“right now to be a sole leader. Like, if he finishes on the podium, I guess, yeah, fine, right?”
Yeah. But if you're finishing the fifth, sixth, seventh of the Tour, the only difference here, the only the only the only other thing I would take into account. But this is purely in the
mind of Remko is that he sees himself as the absolute leader of the team because of the incredible
Efforts that Red Bull has made to bring him to the team.
7 million euros to quick step to get him out of his contract. And then, reportedly, his salary
is close to 6 million, 5, 6 million. I'm going to take a wild guess. I have no information. I'm going to say that lipowitch is probably around 2 million. Yeah. So that's obviously in his mind. It's okay. I'm the guy here of 5 plus million. I'm the leader. You know? And you know, I would say personality wise. He is probably the leader. But I think he has to respect lipowitch for his performances last year and especially this year in the stage races. Yeah. I mean, he got really finished on
the podium at the Tour. And then you look as fit as you did when you did that, you've got to get some sort of leeway, right? Yeah. Like some freedom. But I mean, the, as I said yesterday, the you mistake was not thinking this, like a course from because I'm going to think he's the leader. Like everybody knows that. You just can't say anything. You don't, don't say anything right now.
“Yeah. The only thing Ramco can do now is, you know, the next, what is the next picture?”
Is it, is the next big appointment the time trial? Or is it first the mountain stage?
No, there's two mountain stages before the time trial. One again, the pose. And then the next one is really freaking hard. It's the, the plateau, the set. Oh, yeah. Okay. plateau, the set. Yeah. One that they did in the dolphin. Yeah. That's the same climb where they'll total one. So, yeah. I mean, that there we're going to see who's the leader. I actually think Ramco will do somewhat well on that climb because it's average of nine percent. All he has to do is just climb
his pace and he's not going to lose it. I'm the time. I think actually probably the thing where he was in most danger was stage six because you can lose a lot of time because you know, put got you to enough that much time at the top and then he blew the lapo later. And then
assuming he'll do well in the time trial probably stage 19 is the first stage. I think who that could be
tougher Ramco actually. No, not the plateau plateau the cell as a solar song. That's that's that's that's it. It's hard. It's hard. This climb is hard now. The West. It's harder than I'll do. Is it in the Jura or in the Alps? It's in the region of Virginia. Overnor, Overnor, Onalp. Okay. All right. So,
“that's what the dolphin is called. No, the now. Yes. Yeah. All thanks to an Alps. Yeah.”
I mean stage 14 is not easy either. I guess going to be. That's in the middle. Right. That's the end of the marketing. Yeah. Maybe those are good clients for room care. But that's good for him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, I'm going to have this because we have. Anyway, it's right. What you say, Spencer, you know, Ramco makes one comment which I'm sure. I'm not sure he regrets, but he doesn't regret the comment because that's what he's thinking. But he obviously didn't expect all the backlash.
And then, you know, we had this. If you saw that Spencer that was the day yesterday morning, there was like a staged video of World Ramco. And yeah. And liberal it's in the bus, you know, like pretending that everything had been talked about and was okay. And I'm sure that's okay. I think I personally think Lipa, which is very difficult to have problems with this guy. It's just, he's just, you know, a very easy going guy in my opinion, who just is a really good bike rider, you know.
But that was not, I mean, it looked very, very unauthentic. I would say. Yeah. This is a reminder of the Movey Star Trident.
“Remember that, we're just talking about the Movey Star and Landa. Oh, yeah. Oh, man.”
That's where the days. Yeah. But yeah, they released some pretty unconvincing media about how everything was great and said that team. I also think people imagine in the team bus and the rebel team bus, there's like fights going on. Ramco's throwing stuff around the island of people. In my spirit, not really how these guys behave. No, no, no, no, no, absolutely not. It's reverted. Yeah. And the tension is like under the, yeah. Yeah. I mean, and some, another thing we didn't speak about Spencer yet, but, you
know, I mean, Ramco, what Ramco must not forget, you know, okay. Obviously, there is a tremendous amount of confidence in Ramco and project Ramco even a pool because they've done huge efforts and huge investments to get him there. So, and I don't think that has changed that much. Although I do it, I do think that they had expected a better performances until the tour, but, you know, I think they still will go all the way with the project Ramco, but let's not forget that Red Bull Bora is a German
team and liberal, which is a German writer. I know. You know, and there's another thing, you know, there's another thing. If, if lip-oids would say, hey, you know what? Okay, you go, you guys go with
Ramco.
they are writing huge checks. Little track. Yep. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They, they're going to go out to group rides and just start throwing out seven figure contracts, but that is a good point,
“because it is a nice fallback plan for lip-oids. Yeah. But again, I think you said this yesterday,”
if you're, if you're Red Bull, you, you don't need to pick a leader and you just want them both to be happy and to do well. Because you're not going to be, you're not going to be Pagajar, probably. Well, that's obviously, they didn't pick the leader. They didn't, they did not pick the leader. It's really himself, too. It's Ramco who picked himself, you know? Anyways, you know, we're, we're already two days later, we're still talking about that one quote from
Ramco. So it's, you know, it's kind of good because we had two stages that, you know, great great outcome for the sprinters, but we don't have much to talk about. So it's great that we can start this podcast with that observation about Patrick Lefei ever coming in and giving his opinion.
And he never disappoints, you know, like he's always, well, he's really, he's been great now.
“You met him, you met him in Belgium, Spencer. You know, oh, my dessert. It's a guy, did he steal your dessert?”
Yeah, we're to the bathroom. Did he steal your dessert? It's gone when I got back. But, you know, I mean, yeah, he's obviously not afraid to say it as he thinks it is. And I think he's, you know, he's in a position to do that. You know, first of all, he's retired now. He's gone through everything and he has the right to speak his mind, you know? Yeah, and thank you so much for doing so because we would have nothing else to talk about.
On that, no, Tim earlier wins, which I mean, it's not like nothing happened. Liam Slok from Lotto and Omar Shei was up the road on these new fast or bay of bikes. And then, you know, or bay is happy because we're looking at these bikes every day. As part, probably one of the reasons
“they're up there doing this. But they, you know, I think it was far closer than they went thought.”
They almost didn't catch him. And they realen them with like 1.4 K to go, but it changes the sprint because there's team multiple teams coming to the front that wouldn't have come to the front. They're burning resources faster than they want in SN XDS or at the front, just like all like torturing their lead out. It's a really fast going into the final K. We have a turn. There's a group, a little group in front. All of Coi is positioned perfectly behind Phillips and he think
what Coi is going to smoke everybody here. And there's a guy who's not even in that front group. Tim earlier sprints up to it to get in position. And then below is by the leaders like they're not sprinting. It looked like someone attacking a pallet on. And then he wins a stage with
Benim, we're smiling as we're actually looking pretty fast himself. And then Coi in third,
Phillips and in fourth, Pablo Bittner and fifth, what did you think about the sprint you on? Yeah, the typical Tim Merlier move, Spencer, you know, when he, when he comes from behind with, with much more, it was impressive. I have to say, it's like he said, there was these, there's one from the pool leading it out. Phillips and Coi and get my, and there was another guy there. And then Phillips is in seventh position. He passes that guy, closes the gap. But as soon as he gets to the
wheel of the fifth guy, he goes straight away, you know, his attack basically to close the gap was the beginning of a sprint. And he goes, he blows by when when when Phillips and hasn't even gone over another pool yet. So, yeah, I mean, he's the fastest guy. He's no discussion about that. He's the fastest sprinter. Doesn't mean that he's going to win every bunch sprint because bunch sprint sometimes or chaotic. But already two out of three, the two out of three sprints, a bunch of sprints.
And on top of that winning on on the day of the flander's community today, 11 of July is the flander's holiday. And especially mentioned, it's also on the day of my mother's 83rd birthday, happy birthday. Happy birthday. Yeah. So, yeah, great day for, for Merleer, for Belgium, for Sudok Quickstep. I mean, how nice must it feel for a team who came to the race with, actually, that's their
main goal. And after eight stages, which is basically dominated by UAE and, you know, they win two
stages already. It's like, okay, Sudok Quickstep, their tour is already a success. Whatever comes now is bonus, which is also what Merleer said. You know, my tour might do the
Frances.
another, another bunch of sprints. And his George said in the show in the move. Yes, for Stoivins huge on this, you know, it's brilliant. If a one man lead out, but Stoivin put some right, I rewatched last night stage, or I rewatch yesterday, stage last night. And Stoivin just has him in the perfect spot the whole time and then Merleer, you
know, all he has to do is just sprint way faster than everybody else. Not that hard. I was never
going to do that. It's, it's pretty impressive where Stoivins put him. Also, Lance pointed this out, 33 years old, you know, we're like, we're in this youth wave, but he's basically having a breakout
“tour to France at 33. You don't see that so often from the Sprinter. It's, I think it's his fifth”
stageman in the tour. Yeah. Yeah. And he's one stages in every single tour. He has participated in. So 20, uh, interesting, 2021, 2025, 2006. So he basically had a, he had this funny part of his career where he just wasn't getting selected for tour to France. He got him out of my little bit because he was on the opposite with Phillips as Phillips and kind of grew into the Sprinter. He is, and then he was on suit all for two years before they took him to the tour. I guess because they had
RIMCO. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, it's very cool to see him have at this season at 33. Um, many congratulations, Timberlare. Do you think, what do we make of the green here? I said on the main show that you're still not worried about it. Patterson's got 228. I mean, Merlead now is 2013, Benjamin Germy 203. I think it's between these guys. Well, I mean, yeah, but I still think Patterson is the most complete rider.
I was worried today because I mean, I didn't see the result of the intermediate sprint. What happened there? No, street guys in front and what happened in the pedal is kind of interesting, actually,
because he has to put Phillips in one and looked amazing. I thought, well, he's back.
Patterson got thirds. It was Phillips and canter, Patterson, Patterson gets 10 points at the finish. Patterson gets 14 points. So 24 point day. Yeah. Okay. It just isn't great. But that's, you know, that's not okay. Yeah. It's okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, the stages that come now, Spencer, are definitely much more favorable for Patterson than for Germy and Merlead. And Phillips and starting with tomorrow's stage, we'll talk about it at the end of the show. But
“I think that's where Patterson, because I still think Patterson will win the green jersey.”
If he, of course, if he finishes the tour of France and a lot of things can happen. But I think that Patterson's terrain is coming now where he has a huge advantage on the, on the pure sprinters. If you look at tomorrow's stage, for example, I think that's a vantage Patterson by far. If it was only for the intermediate sprint, that's already, I mean, it's early in the stage. And you know, it's, there's three climbs. And it's on a two, two, two, two, two
two kilometer uphill. That's the sprint. So, the, yeah, I think I still, I still believe in Patterson, high favorites for the green jersey. It also helps the Patterson is, I think it was stage, the bridge on stage six. It's like, let's show this guys in a really good shape. So, yeah. And plus, plus I do think, I mean, it depends, it all depends also. But, you know, I mean, doesn't depend because it's a little track that's going to be their goal. You know, to get the green jersey.
“And Patterson has very strong team and teammates who can be very, very, very crucial in breakaways,”
whereas these other sprinters don't have that luxury to have teammates with them in those breakaways in these hard stages. Yeah. Yep. That's true. And anything else on today's, oh, I mean, we should earn my Liam Slack. He gets card. Yeah. And yeah, I looked him up during the stage. It was this big conversation in the studio. Is this guy British? What's going on? His name's Leo Nelson. And I was like, I sound so familiar. The name sounds familiar. And I was like, oh, he won a race recently
in Switzerland. I totally forgot. And it was the same guy. It was his viral moment. I don't think we talked about it on the show. But he's a way solo for his first ever pro win and he posts up in crashes, right? When he takes his hands off the bars. Well, crashes, it wasn't just fun. Yeah,
it was the the Grand Prix Gippingen, which is typically always just before the tier of Switzerland
traditionally. And there was, I mean, there you see that he, he's a really good quality rider, because it was first, it was a 50 man group with a lot of really good riders. And then he gets away with three guys with with Karapas and with Lassof and Liam Slack. And he drops them in the last 500 meters or he kind of sprints away from them. Because they had the three guys had to really write very fast to stay away from the remainder of the first group. And then 20 meters before the
Finish in, you know, puts his hands in the air, wind comes, takes him out, an...
finish line. That's that's a quite a spectacular way to finish when you're first professional
bike race. That was his first win ever. It's the video as wild. Yeah. But you're right, actually, what's lost in that video is the fact that he dropped Karapas and Flassof. We showed you these are really good. I don't know. It's good. It's good. And today, I have to say, today, today, Spencer, it looked like at some point, you know, of course he was super tired. I mean, I don't know how long
“have they been out there. 150k or something. I think one another too, guys. Yeah. And then at the”
end, he was on his own. But man, it took, if it would have just been opposite and Sudal, and nobody else came, he wins the stage because they were running out of legs and then finally it took NSN. And then Astana, full gas to basically bring him back and he made it with just a bit more than
a kilometer ago. He got caught. So it would have been really incredible for him to win this against
the charging Peloton. But anyways, now everybody knows who Liam Schluck is. Yeah, for for a better reason than before. And do you think or Bayer cares about all his publicity? I would bet they do, right? I mean, it's two days in a row. I mean, two days in a row? Yeah, because Vestroffer was already two times in a break away. And you know, these guys are on the new or Bayer, I Robike, which looks incredible. I mean, they just launched it before the tour looks really good. You know, I think
or Bayer Spanish brand. I mean, we're not sponsored by or Bayer, but I think they did a really good job in getting up there with, you know, the trend of the new aerobikes. And it seems to be a
“really good bike. Of course, you have to have strong riders on it to be able to showcase it. But that's”
a really good introduction to the, to the scenery. These two riders to Bayestroffer and it's
long. Some of these bikes are very fast. I don't think there's one, I mean, they probably would tell you. So I think there's really just like a level you reach with the aerobikes. And then the refinement becomes like, well, how fast is your aerobike climb? Yeah. Yeah. So it's like the Ridley that, you know, X is on at least just from the looks. It looks like it's super fast, but man, I would not want to climb on that thing. Yeah, it looks heavy. It looks heavy. But then
I don't care if I, you know, I don't know the Urbea bike if it's heavy or not. It's, you know, usually I think Spencer, the, these new aerobikes, there's somewhere between 7.17.2 kilos, which is, you know, 300 grams heavier than the limit. And I'm pretty sure that if they would really dial it in with special parts, they could bring it down to 7 kilos. Yeah, and if you're, I mean, really outside the biggest mountain stages, yeah, really don't care either. So I would
probably take that weight penalty for a bike that fast. But let's take a quick break. And then when we come back, we're going to talk about a few things, including the gotcha versus Merks and tomorrow stage preview. So we'll be right there. Everybody this episode is brought to you by Decagon. If your team is dealing with more support to get some more channels and higher expectations from customers, you've probably thought about using AI for customer support. And you've probably seen how
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against Eddie Merks. But one thing we noticed this morning, Paul, success, walking around in the mix zone with a mask on. Let's go on with that. I was also surprised to see that. So you know, and Jonas has been doing it from since Barcelona already. So I don't know whether it's a precaution to not get virus from other people because that's the thing about the tour de France, right? You are in contact with a lot more people than in any other, in any other stage race. It's actually
Funny to see.
saw that video of French President Macron with Pogacchiard during its 20 plus second handshake.
Like he took the hand and he saw Pogacchiard like pulling it and the guy just kept the hand. I said, you know, some people don't shake hands, you know, in the tour, which Pogacchiard doesn't seem to seem to care about. But yeah, I mean, these masks, obviously, I don't know if sex has it because he's starting to be a little bit sick or if he wants to prevent getting sick, you know, I would say Spencer is probably some little irritation, a little throat pain, I would say,
you know, because if you start the tour and you're just don't care or you know, and then all of a sudden you start to wear a mask, it's for a reason. It's for a reason. You know, and typically Spencer does happen in all the time, you know, in a big stage race, three weeks. After one week, eight days, you start to have little, you know, cold, little throat pain in the throat.
“So I think that's probably what's going on. He's not the only one. There's many, many riders,”
and it's, you know, it's because it's such a hard event and you know, the heat, you're depleted, you don't sleep as usual. Yeah, I mean, that's a big, a big part of it, because really, yeah, the ship is no good, and then more likely to get sick. Even if you have an eight-sleep, it's still my feel hot. I saw actually, you know what? I saw a, I saw a screenshot of one of the, one of the UAE riders. So they're all, all of UAE is on X-leep, the whole team. And he published
the, the times, the, how long they slept and the temperature of their bed. Interesting. Yeah, and I'm pretty sure there's a bunch of other data available. I'm, you know, today, do they ship to Europe? I mean, they have to, because UAE, I'm going to have to talk to eight-sleep. I want one of those. Yeah, wait, we might have to speak to eight-sleep about this. They'd, I gotta say, you know, because we do a lot of advertisements for the show, and it's like
the one, where I'm like, wait a second. What? You can be cool, you're bed without air conditioning. That's pretty interesting. Yeah, I'm in Spain, Spencer. I'm the ideal ambassador.
“Yeah, he's exactly. I mean, I should, I think someone in London would be the ideal ambassador,”
because they have no air conditioning, and that's cool, but it's got, it actually, it's really got to help. And some of these hotel rooms that are not so comfortable sometimes. I would imagine there's a reason they, they halt these things around, but, yeah, I mean, they, you know, I mean, nowadays they, for sure, they don't, that all these teams, they have portable AC devices that they put in the rooms, because there are many, many, many hotels
that don't have AC, many. Yes, especially in this part where they're going now. Yeah, yeah, it seems to be illegal in the Massive Central for some reason.
It's like odd because it's a hot, it's always so hot there.
But moving on, you did some, so George the other day, this was like two days ago, I'm just going to throw George out of the bus here. He said, well, Pugasers doing things that we've never even seen for many marks. We've never seen this before, but you went back through and looked at the numbers and how, what Pugasers doing compares to Merks. Do you want to share some of that? Yeah, I mean, I did, I did some research yesterday, because I do remember, I had to look it up, but that
Eddie Merks's first tour was spectacular. He was 23 years old and 1996. And again, Spencer,
“this is, I think first of all, we have to talk, we have to say we can't compare different”
errors completely different, right? But domination wise, Eddie Merks was incredible and, you know,
we do speak, we stay okay, Pugasher, great is of all time already. I would say, you know, what he does is incredible and he's probably going to be the greatest of all times, especially if you compare the competition now to back then. But Eddie Merks has referred to the France, would look, listen to this 1996, so he won seven stages. He won the overall with almost 18 minutes on the second rider. And he won also the green jersey, the mountains jersey, the team's
classification and he didn't win the white jersey because there wasn't one, but he won that classification. So all the classifications in the tour, seven stages and almost 18 minutes, 18 minutes on the second rider. And that same season, he started the season with he won Pyrenees plus a number of stages.
He won me the ensemble rainbow.
He was, he won the asvastomliage. That's all the same thing that Pugasher has done except Pyrenees. So that was probably one of the seasons where Eddie Merks was the most dominant, so early on in his career. So Pugasher is up there, right? He's up there.
“But now he just needs to, yeah, I mean, I think it's a right comparison, but this is to show how”
dominant Eddie Merks was also, I mean, winning with Pugasher is not going to win with 18 minutes and he's not going to win all the classifications. Now, actually when Pugasher is 23, I don't even think he won the tour difference. He had won it already. Oh, he had won it, but that age 23 season Merks have already had won it twice twice. Yeah. I mean, you've do forget how good Merks is. It's pretty crazy. 18 minutes. Yeah. And then almost all the other tours I checked. He won it five
times. So he won it 96, 97, so 69, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 72 and 74. Yeah. And then also he won five gyros and won Vuelta. But he almost, I mean, that particular year he won him with 18 minutes, but all the other years he won with close to 10 minutes on the second rider. So you imagine how much people would bitch and moan about that. If that was happening now. I mean, he was, I mean, people hated him in France. If, you know, I can imagine the like
key particles now. I got your wins in one mountain stage, never like the article on cycling
news was like, why is he winning so much? He's got a win in a mountain stage, who went to work
“public. Yeah. I actually think the best thing that is crazy, those that we just want to acknowledge”
just that's our wild. The thing that I think could help begotcha here is Del Toro, because I think you could see him, I think you might see him shift some of his energy from like he's not going to be stacking up a 10 minute win. Really, how do I get my teammate onto the podium or in second place? And I think that yeah, soften the image quite a bit, which could be needed, especially if he's winning a fifth tour and he's beating a French rider. That might not play so well in the media.
Yeah, I think pogotcha has the likable factor. He's very likable. He's very, very friendly. Does all the right things. He's smiling. He's very pleasant. It's very difficult to not like him. And I think that actually most of the riders in the peloton really like pogotcha as a person. Yeah, yeah, like an off him because it is crazy. He's a freaking that way that he's so good and so like so well skilled with social stuff. Because you notice that when he comes into his interview,
he always says the right thing. He's like, oh, yeah, I saw Torsten train crashed. I hope he's okay.
“Yeah, and I like that. I could take some awareness to be here. I think Spencer, that's actually,”
I think the difference this year compared to last year, at least in this part here of the tour, is that pogotcha is very different before and after the stage with the media. You can see it's boring. It's annoying. He just have to deal with it and it's always the same stupid questions. What are you going to say? What are you going to say? He keeps his posture and you know, last year, it became very obvious. And then afterwards, of course, we found
about that he was carrying a lingering injury on his knee. But that's a big difference compared to last year. I think his energy before and after the stage compared to last year. It looked last year like he didn't want to be there. Yeah, you definitely got the feeling that he did not want to be there. Yeah, it was, it was a little obvious. But I think that's, I mean, I'm excited to see how this plays out. I think he is very good. I think he has to just imagine like he's an ambassador. He's not even
really a racer at this point. He's going to win by a large margin. He's just got a state positive checking on the guys. Oh, wow, Tim earlier winning. So great to see. Like he almost changes for all to be like cheerleader for everybody else in the race. It's so hot. I am so proud of everybody for writing so hard. But Yohan stage nine, speaking of the heat has been reduced. We talked about it on the move. But it's been shortened since then. It was a hundred and eighty five, eighty five kilometers.
There's also one, eighty five to one, fifty five, one, fifty five. But keeps almost all of the
vert I believe. Yeah. And yeah, I think actually the first, the first loop of twenty four k that they do,
they do not do. It's because of the extreme heat. So obviously, I think it's great for the riders.
You know, we would also be great for the riders Spencer.
Yeah, but starting two or three hours earlier. Well, it's funny. I was wondering about that.
Why? Yeah. Why don't they explore that? Well, I mean, obviously the TV is, you know, they pay the bills. And, you know, the time that everybody watches TV is, you know, between three and five PM and Europe, you know, true. If you do the, if you do these stages, if you start three hours earlier, it would be finishing at lunchtime. Yes. Yeah. It would really help the heat. Yeah. No, it would be big difference. I don't know. This is not a topic for today, but I don't
know what they're going to do about the delta takes place like all in southern Spain. Yeah. That's going to finish finishes in Granada. Oh, good luck with that. I know one person who lives in Spain, who is not going to go watch the welter. Is it that yourself or Bobby? I'm going to, I'm going to watch. I'm going to watch it from my couch and with AC. That's a good call. So I see on Vellaby or we still have 3,000 meters of climbing. So that's quite a bit over 155 kilometers. This is borderline
a better stage than we had before, just from an entertainment perspective. A lot of climbing and
a lot of non-categorized, but still difficult climbing in the first 50k, including a sprint point,
which is in the middle of a 2.6k long 5% climb. And then you have four categories of climbs, just tough racing through the massive central. This cannot be pleasant. And then a descent down to an uphill sprint at the end. I assume you think this is breakaway and how do you think it's going
“to work? Yes. I think breakaway for sure. There's no team. I mean, unless there's only one team”
who can decide, it's not going to be a breakaway. It's UAE, but I don't expect that they would try to control this makes no sense. So it has to be breakaway. It's going to have to be strong riders. I mean, from now on, Spencer, we get into the, you know, the time and a ground tour. We're going to constantly see the same riders in breakaways. Tomorrow stage 9. So a lot of dead bodies already. Within a week, it's even going to be worse. But already, I mean, the vast majority is super tired already,
because of the racing, especially because of the heat. It has to be a strong rider. I mean,
difficult to pick somebody. First of all, I think I'm almost sure that better than is going to be
in the breakaway with some teammates to take that intermediate sprint, which is as hard. It's an uphill.
“It's on an uphill. I think that's the main goal for Patterson to take those 25 points. And then”
eventually, if he's in the break and he can stay in the break, he's probably going to try to stay in there. When the stage, I don't know, 3000 meters, he can do it. He can do it. But it's also going to be difficult for him. You know, there's going to be other strong riders in there. I'm thinking more of a rider like, I mean, for example, Jonas Abrahamson could be a guy who would win this Richard Carapass who's already now lost a little time. And then, one of the unknown riders for the
moment, but who I think has been hiding a bit would be Ben Hilly. I'm not sure if he's in great should we haven't seen much from him the whole season, right? No, no, he's not much great. Yeah. I'm going to go full Carapass. Okay, I like that. I could see that happening. It is a great
“Carapass stage. Patterson, the odds are, so if you want to bet on this, we have a partnership with”
next bets to so go to NXTBets.com/Betoutcomes. It will show you all the odds, where you can bet, how to bet, how to sign up. They do not have the odds up because I think this course change has changed everything. But if I go to Galci, I can see that Patterson is a plus 3. He's plus 380 to win the stage or the equivalent of that on Kalci. And he's the favorite. The only thing is, yeah, I could definitely think he's going to get the intermediate sprint. But I think he's going to have to give a lot to
do that. And I don't know if he could win on this course against someone like Carapass. What do you think about like Egan Bernal? Is that too crazy if a pick? The odds are up on Unibets. Patterson is the big favorite, the plus 300,
Multi-founder pool, second favorite, plus I don't think that.
multi-founder pool in this tour. And another writer who I personally quite like to win the stage is Matthias Vachek. Interesting. What's he? Yeah. Plus 1,400. When Simmons is also plus 1,400,
so in the first four favorites, they're three little track riders. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, one of those guys would be a good one. I'm going to pick Vachek. Vachek instead of Carapass. Vachek.
“Okay. Then I'm going to go for Quinn Simmons. Okay. What Vachek's plus 1,400 and what Simmons?”
Same. That's 1,400. Same. Okay. I'm going Quinn Simmons. You go Vachek and then Patterson will win. Of course. No. I think one of the... I think Patterson will get the points. And then I think it is probably a good chance that he'll be up there with those guys. And they might be better suited to win. And they might not not have the luxury they had last time where they could stay with Patterson and pace back. It might be too hard to do that.
And they won't. One of them might have the follow-in attack from a guy like Carapass. Who's not going to sit around and go to the line with Patterson, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. Feel pretty good about that. So I'm excited for the stage. I actually think it's going to be really good with this, especially with the shortening. It's going to be super super punchy aggressive. But it's going to be fast. I think it stays like tomorrow's dancer.
And now that it's shorter also, but still 3,000 meters on that terrain man, those roads. I think it's one of the hardest stages in the tour. Because, you know, there's no groups formed straightaway. If you have a mountain stage, you know your place. You know where your place is. And you know, okay, this is my group. This is my pace. And I'm going to make it to the finish tomorrow.
It's full gas all the time. The first 30-40k is going to be a nightmare to get in the break.
It's up and down and single file. It is so hard. Yeah. A lot of riders are not looking forward to the stage. There's a big divide between people who've raised the tour and who haven't because everyone that has raised it sees the stage and says, oh my god, hardest to hard stage at the race. But the stats nerds, you know, look at this and think, oh, nothing ever happens in the masses and trout. Look at those little stage. But everyone that's raised it says, oh, wow,
this is the hardest stage of the race right here. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Probably it will add fatigue to the to the everybody, which probably does help. But gotcha because he's the strongest rider. So the more fatigued everybody is the better it is for him. Because he's fatiguing at a slower rate than
“everybody. But before we go, we event them trivia. If you want to answer these trivia questions,”
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visited city in tour history behind only Paris. How many times has the tour finished in Bordeaux? Do you know the answer to this question? I listen to the move. So is it what is 82 times? 82 times. Unclear to me if that includes the finish we just did. Okay. And then this one written by Bradley Wiggins because we got an answer from ventim, but we did not. Something went wrong and we didn't get a question. So I had to Bradley Wiggins reverse engineer a question. It's a good one.
In 1990, Greg Lomon won his third two to France, which rider dropped him to win at
“Luzard again on stage 16. So if you want to enter that, go to ventimraising.com/themove to enter.”
I know the answer. I know I know the answer. I was there. I was there. You were there. You almost won the next day. I got second on the next day. Correct. Yeah. I'll went tomorrow when we do the ventim trivia and we give the answer. I have a really nice story about this stage. Okay. Well, anything else you have before we take off? No, that's it. All right. Well, thank you so much. And we'll be back tomorrow. And then we have a rest day after
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