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crash or bad locker even those May not derail him Look this discussion or this this question of in you know, they talked about it a lot during the race today and of course we have as well of Eddie Merrick's versus poker chart. I listen, we got to stop. This is over

in my opinion And this this guys Is that good this this is this is this is the best ever Hey, everybody welcome back to the move podcast talking about the 26 two or flanders. I'm Lance Armstrong joined by Spencer Martin

Johan Berniel and George Hinkeppie was

First and foremost happy Easter

Happy Easter Easter

“Happy Easter remember when George was having the you were at that party and they were dropping the Easter egg”

Easter eggs out of the helicopter. Yeah, no it's a they're doing it again our buddy James who Johan and I did and Lance did a camp with in America. He flies the helicopter and drops the eggs off for like They're gonna do that again today Well, I'm not sure because it's like not the nicest day. This is a little cloudy and a little rainy, so worth the risk though, right? That's a little bit like a like a kid rock thing where you're out on the back

It's kind of the same dynamic like your back yard the pool The view Well, he did have doing my house though. He does it he owns a big development on the lake. He does it there Oh, I thought he rolls up on that. Oh, no, no, he can't be a duck. Okay. He has rolled up just to say hi and landed him I'm a backyard. Listen, the best story from South Carolina ever was that spy balloon

where they had to tell the people from South Carolina Whatever you do, don't try to shoot the balloon. Nothing tops that I think about I think about that story

“More times than I care to admit. I mean, that is just”

State gold. Yeah, it makes me want to have another spy balloon fly over anyhow. I listen Well, I'm gonna say I know this sounds like the same show. We probably have done many many times just another

Incredible performance by Taday Poguchar Spencer and I before we started the show were

We're looking you know they were talking about it during the the telecast this morning. He's raised three times this year And he's won all three. He's tried to be on key Not surprisingly A lot in San Remo, perhaps a little surprisingly Especially considering the crash

And today and but if you go back to last year He won the last four races That he did at the end of last season so he's now one seven in a row Spencer, what was that crazy stat the percentage of Monuments that he's won oh

So he's winning monuments at a rate of four every 12 months

Yeah, so Johan that means he would pass Merx by the end of 2028 at that current rate That's crazy. Yeah, he's at I don't know which places but this is 12 monument He just surpassed Roger DeVlaming who had 11 at the Merx has 19

“Three and three seconds. Yeah, that's what in reach. Yeah, yeah, it's incredible man. I mean, it's I mean exactly the same as last year when on the same place, you know”

I just think that he's stronger than last year Yeah, I agree with that I agree with that and and it's almost Yeah, just You just sort of sense the other riders they they just know they know how I mean the only thing that could potentially happen here

The only x-factor is is some sort of a crash or bad luck or even those May not derail him Look

This discussion or this this question of and you know they talked about it a lot during the race today and of course we have as well of Eddie Merx versus poker chart. I listen we got to stop this is over in my opinion

and this this guy is Is that good this this is this is the best ever by far I think I agree. I mean you know if plus you know you can't compare different eras, you know me do it. No you of course you know Especially those two eras and you can't you can't compare it this era to

to the one in the middle. Yeah, no and the position is a little harder. I think and the fact that

every single race basically You know the fact that he's now going to be the top favorite for buddy to bear in the next week is and then top favorite for the two of the fronds and and all the other races he races basically you know he doesn't race much but whenever he races he races to win

and he almost always always wins

and he wins in all kinds of fashion. I mean Spencer you would probably know this but I can't remember the last time what we saw the top five and four funders coming one by one. I mean that's just the straight indication of how brutally hard that race was one by one. It's just race of attrition. I mean these guys were crawling into the line the best

riders in the world. We're super exciting coming into the bottom of the quarem out. I think the second to last time up where you had the biggest four the four names in cycling minus tall tour or the top four names cycling and Jonas were right there in line following each other to start the quarem on. I mean it's just

that's the best of the best. It doesn't get any better than that and he still walks away with a win. I mean I know we might start mentioning different tactics but it's kind of hard to I don't know if it's possible to beat him. I don't think there's a might there we're going to have to have a tactical discussion

you know the back after this show. You just have to right you just have to watch having watch for what we

“everybody watch that you have to say well”

what would you do different which of course we'll get to that. The other interesting I mean all the all the favorites look is not like you know a bunch of the favorites had off days like they were there I click at the top five it was like the galactic ghost it was I mean before the race the who are the top five favorites you named those five

who got to five today by the way like it was a time trial one by one I mean these are all the things that you I mean at least for for me as a as a spectator or as a just the viewer sitting at home you you want it like that you're like I don't know just blow the race up like have everybody finish one by one by one like that's a dream center that's exactly what happened

did you guys notice the top six was almost exactly the same as last year in terms of the writers comprising that with the only difference being Renko Epinopole subbing and for taste minut which shows you it's like if yeah it's like what Lance is saying if you just run every race as hard as you possibly can the strongest writers will finish

“at the front and that's what like it's almost like an experiment we're watching”

just like hey what if we start going I don't know how early guys turn this on but 150k to go the peloton was putting up that's how hard you hey you was driving the peloton so it's basically all out for the last couple hours yeah I mean it started on the Molommerk right I mean on the Molommerk you could see you a a lining it up

you had Floria Vermeers doing an incredible a scent of the Molommerk and from then on it was

basically there was no more fighting for position we had 12 writers in the front from the break and then we had 18 writers behind all the good guys were there there's it was none of the favorites who missed out and that was it so I mean 100 and 100 one came to go by the way I had to go around like before his first participation honestly I was I was a doubter about this experiment I did not think that he would be able to be on

the podium and he proved me wrong he didn't incredible race could have played a bit smarter but still you know to be up there in third position in your first advert to your flonders not being a specialist not having any experience I think that's that's amazing and for the the Belgian fans man it was it was it was amazing to see him up there yeah yeah they were you can tell how excited they were every time he rolled by I mean he had a great team behind them

today probably even arguably maybe even better than UAE perhaps he used him a bit too much

“or not in the best way to maximize their potential for a win but like you said y'all”

on it's incredible first time in third place and arguably one of the hardest

third flonders we've seen so far yeah very windy no very windy what did I see what he drew point five average well at the end wow I mean 278 kilometers and the first part the first 120k was basically was headwind yeah yeah it's crazy wait I'm I'm even seen no no that was last year nevermind yeah 43k an hour I mean we you know when we were talking about a race on Wednesday they averaged 48 kilometers an hour over couple stones and hills it's crazy yeah

sports lost in his mind I mean so you were saying we're not slowing down 101k to go that that was the move of the day and if I don't know if he saw it Visma at Wavinar was out of position they had a phoenix one of the strongest guys in the world like going all out to get

of what we debate they get that selection happens red bull has quite a few riders UAE has one rider

with Pagotcha so right there you'd say is that a little bit too to answer for their mrs Lord and for mrs well one rider with Pagotcha yeah and that little I'd do with Rampkel two two with him and Visma has a rider they have a report within art you'd say I would say that was that a potential soft underbelly right there 100k to go he has one teammate left instead of doing anything though they just they rotate through they get to the quorum on 57k to go

guess what happens that it's a bunch of attacks well vinar goes with them mathy vanner pull and Rampkel are there I don't know does Wauko too early too much too early in that climb because he's kind of dropped over the top of the climb so his Rampkel Rampkel catches back on they get to the

patternberg Rampkel kind of attacks he's pulling into the patternberg then attacks then he's dropped

and he's in the hell dangle for the rest of the race he's just dangling 10 seconds back it was so close George thought he's going to catch back on Pagotcha was on there said he did not want he was determined not to let Rampkel get back on you know so dangerous from co-is and races like that and then of course as we see every year they get to the last quorum on to pass to the quorum on 18k to go Pagotcha drops vendor pull this can be a tradition and 50 years while be going

there to watch this happen year after year and then Pagotcha rides away for the win do you guys at let's say your DS is there anything in that last 100k that you would say

“I would have done that differently 100% well I think we said it over attacks and I don't know”

if your home would agree but like maybe Rampkel is just over confident I mean he is one of the best riders in the world he has written away from the best riders in the world and gone solo so perhaps he was just on a super confident day but like why wouldn't you try to send these guys up the road and not pull in that group of 20 guys Chris off the port sent him up the road and then you like you guys said Pagotcha was just with flarring Marie of Amiche so they have to

there's their responsibility to chase these guys down to perhaps you kind of start seeing a nick in their armor but they didn't use it they just pulled through and kept the gap at one

and a minute made the race hard which is basically essentially riding for Pagotcha we already said

it's Spencer I don't know if it was just you and I or last week and get Bivogam but I think it wasn't again Bivogam George yeah from all one art Rampkel it's not in their DNA to not work what they're up from it just work it's like they want a fair race they're all super confident I agree George you know he could have used the team better in the end would have mattered I don't think so Pagotcha just looked in control the whole way it wouldn't have mattered but at

least you can kind of see him on defense for a second the driver put him on defense they just kept rotating through like we'll our guys will stay with you at least try send two guys that aren't a favorites up the road and then they have to go on defense they have to figure out how to get them back

“but nobody even tried so it's just you know it was kind of I think a loss of an opportunity there”

you know one yeah go ahead and go ahead and let's well I was just going to say I'm a george if if what you said is what Rampkel thinks is thinking that you know I'm one of the best writers in the world etcetera etcetera I don't know that that's the right attitude because he's racing one guy and that guy is a lot better than him so it doesn't matter that you're one of the top three or four writers in the world it doesn't that racing a guy that is head and shoulders above you so forget

everybody else that that doesn't matter the thing is they know each other so well you know there's one I don't know if it was in the English interview but I saw an on Belgian TV a Machuolder who talking in the flammish and he said you know that once he was away with Pogachar he they feel who's the strongest you know it was clear to me that for example on the what was it the timeburg timeburg Pogachar just found a pool set the pace for him you know to not get dropped

but on the pool set he said you know there's nothing I could do you know at the bottom of the quaramount and today he even didn't wait until the cobbles he just went already before the on the asphalt before the cobbles on the pool was doing 650 watts yeah I mean but he didn't have it he just would have essentially a teammate in that movement he had um delia that guy caught but they have a

“teammate that can make the difference so I think vanniple did everything you can do maybe you know”

like you said he knew he was going to drop but the other guys we got teammates at least used them differently yeah what do you think about that decision George I thought that was odd I woke up Alpsen as a guy in the move and it looks good on paper but the moment you catch that break away

much what he's built for at least it takes the pressure off they don't have to be expected to pull you away they break away back so I think that was their a good play for them okay yeah it was

“it was the best way for Alpsen not to have to work they knew that you know at the end of the day”

if you look at the race sponsor it was basically UAE who did all the work until that break out on the

on the mollumberg that's the only moment where for example Red Bull could have used their numeric advantage a little bit but then again you know Johnny Vermeer's and one of the fun they could brought us what kind of damage are they going to do you know to a guy like Pugachar and to walk on art and to much of on the pool but what if they check over the mollumberg like at the other side of the mollumberg what would have like on the attack on the down and that's

I just what I thought would start happening like this for for for a moment I thought we'd start seeing something different like okay send these guys up the road a guy like Christopher Port I mean those are strong guys if they get a minute up the road it's not going to be easy to bring

“them back and it's going to be the full responsibility of Pugachar and Floring and Vermeer's.”

What he got in the board it was nice to see his nest to see him back in the front he's had a

year or so of some health struggles and I always liked his style he's so he's just not your typical

French bike racer he's cut a little more from the Dutch or Belgian cloth and he just anyhow nice to see him up there again yeah for sure for sure George what you also have to have in mind you know like it's easy for us to say like why don't they do this with you know with their secondary riders but I mean most of those guys so we have the five riders to say you know today much your vote Rampco and Patterson right those five the others to make it in

that group they're already on their limit you know and that's kind of the the X factor here we have to take in consideration so to make it there they're on their limit so they want to be there to support their leaders but then to go up front it takes it takes really good legs and most of them were already hanging on for dear life to make it over the morning work probably had to recover quite a bit and then of course you know they're all scared the know whatever I do in between I'm going to

get dropped on the next climb anyway so what what does it you know so and it was windy is what's driving the yeah so they know they're gonna be out you know they're thinking about that too yeah as as a rider and I've been in that position many times like if you know you're gonna get dropped you might as well try to get advantage on the next downhill or tailwind section before the climb and you know instead of pulling through like they were doing just rotating to keep that

minute and half cap like and I'm still I might not have made a difference just what perhaps added another dynamic yeah like I mentioned put put in poetry on a defensive otherwise what we thought today was just essentially they were riding for him and just you know keep their their time from the

second group well another scenario you could probably envision is for example not collaborate

with booger which will provoke for example that booger goes sooner and then is out there by himself

“and then it's organized behind and he can run out of energy yeah but you know honestly the way”

he finished this race man he just he's still kept taking time he looked so comfortable and control it was it was great and let it let down descent the whole cup of burgers which is one of the fastest sense but the easiest descent to sit on so everybody's just sitting pretty on the wheel there and Ramco's just giving up his two his two cars to play right there on that descent we don't know what was gonna happen the second the last time I mean we all knew what they were gonna go so

why it's not like it's a huge battle for position is for 30 guys last 20 guys that's actually kind of easy to stay in the front by yourself you don't need the help of your two top with tenants at that moment like don't burn them up like do some different yeah I don't know it's easy to say now the race is over but now that they were discussing it I would have tried to do something different before that descent get a little head start and have you know somebody

else chasing or leading there well yohan let's say your DS of Red Bull we're going to start doing this every show the yohan's the DS after the moment break what are you like what are you saying from the car like what's your plan well I mean at first first of all I mean if you know that the leader is Ramco you know Vandeca and Vermeers are good riders but they're not going to win the tour flander so first of all I would be because for sure Red Bull it's a gamble they

made with Rapid Ramco they didn't know how good he was gonna be with positioning so first of all

the quorum onto or the mollumber or whatever other clan the Coppenberg so you're up there already

so you want to maintain that position to be honest I don't know if the directors of Red Bull really believe today that Ramco was going to win the tour flander again from a pool and and

“and pogachar I think third place is almost a victory for him it's not in the mind of Ramco”

but for a team like Red Bull it's it's you know it's the proof that they made the right decision you know he's up there at the on the podium with the two best riders in the world and these races now so I think it's a huge success for them I honestly I don't think I don't think you know it's easy to say you know yeah I would have been this differently I don't think many mistakes were made honestly why why is he pulling before the pattern it's a that's a mistake right that's yeah that okay of

course that was that was a huge effort to come back and then I think that that the big mistake for Ramco was you know to accelerate on the father-bork and then yeah but as you see the pattern probably right behind me it's actually not that road is super tight and it's super fast downhill so even though yeah he was at the front before that you're not burning that many matches and there's some really technical corners coming into that descent so perhaps he just wanted to take his lines I don't

“think he he made a mistake by being in the front there well and here's the thing nobody wants to”

talk about a lot of these guys aren't racing for the win think about Maddie Mahorich when's the last time he top 10 to Monument he gets eighth that's huge for him Johnny Vermiche gets 10th make 10 Van Dyke 11 those are big results for those guys that you know you got to keep I think as a viewer you think everyone should be racing against Pagachar to win but especially in George you know important these points are like in modern cycling it's not so much

about the winning especially if you know someone's head and shoulders above everybody else yeah I mean that the point scheme definitely has changed and if you look at the top 10 it's like the who's who of classics riders I think all these guys are pretty content with their position

and also you know I think Spencer on the you know on the the second time of the paramoms

you know uh Ram cool and route already knew they were not gonna win there's no recovering from yeah if you get dropped there you're gonna get dropped on the on the paramoms on the paramoms or on the Copelandburg the next time right and then uh I don't even know as Maddie it's already on the limit there so basically from then on I think everybody is just trying to consolidate their situation and you get the best possible result and maybe maybe there's a chance to win if there's something

happens with the big favorite with Pagachar I think from now on in these races we have to start thinking

“that way you know you need to be in the best possible position in second in case something happens”

with Pagachar that's the way these guys race I think. Did something happen a while on the Quarimum because he was the one guy that followed Pagachar or he just blew thinking blue because all of them and he just wasn't there and Ben Paul and Ramko were ahead of him so yeah but then he looked okay at towards the end and I didn't have him dropping Madspaderson yeah yeah I maybe just a bad moment I guess right why he was on the wheel so it's not like he blew himself

he was on the wheel and Pagachar went so he followed but yeah he just he blew up he blew up on the easiest part actually of the Marimum yeah but that shows you how much of the limit he was you know

yeah but we thought it is a flat part there so yeah once you usually get over that first

deep pump it's you're technically usually you're okay but yeah now with Pagachar but you're not that way that you weren't there George just like that whole section that old Quarimum so that that whole scene I know that scene right there was awesome but when I wrote it on holding Quarimum to go they were already setting up the tent and the VIP area they're on the Quarimum one to go yeah I mean that's that's another winner here is is the fans of cycling

and certainly the people that were there I mean the promoters of to a finers of yeah you remember this yaw they got a little grief about this sort of the painting of course yeah rerouting years ago and what are you doing and boy now this is richer yeah that's it this is definitely the way to go I mean three times they must three times even also two times the women's race which is still going on by the way for the moment so now if you're there I mean George you've

been there now in those tents already yeah it's super fun yeah crazy atmosphere it's unbelievable it's it's a big part I mean look tour of flanders is the biggest event of the year in Belgium

million people on the road that's crazy yeah it's awesome yeah so I think what we saw the day guys

“honestly with this with this be the best ever podium in any bike race we've seen I would say so”

I mean the best five tile five yeah I mean think about the top five yeah just a glad here just of the sport yeah yeah when you just name five riders before the race and those are that's the top five I mean it's there yeah I mean we're just not it doesn't first of all yohan flanders looks amazing I mean shining during this race also flanders classics the organizer big financial success story like this like the I think they have it dialed more than any other organizer like Thomas

Spandons people the CEO like guys well I mean I'll actually the boss and Thomas is the CEO he said the lands like people were really upset about this when they changed it and they've figured out actually had a they've gear charging admission to this race basically without anybody yeah so when you talk about the financial model you're talking about that the kind of the hospitality

“VIP packages that are being sold especially there at the at the old car mount yeah the old”

car mount like inside those tents is like super good food they have huge tables for separate corporations or different groups I mean they've done it really really right it looks great in there and it's a great service that they provide yeah yeah and you know we won't mention I've been to other races where like you can't even buy a bottle of water you're like I'm I'm trying to spend money here and I can't spend any money but I'm just shocked at how much this race is

changed George I you know a better than anyone on this show the cop inburg does not resemble the cop inburg 10 years ago it's three guys it used to be a fight to get in there is it's just

the race opens up so much earlier now well we always I mean the mollumburg was always sort of the

start of like okay this is really important climb like we need to be a friend there was a big battle but that's typically right after that that's when there would be another little in the race and the second tier riders would go get a gap and then change the whole dynamics of the race but now it's like full gas from the mollumburg and I think it's been like that for the last four or five years yeah and it's just relentlessly so in that sense it has a totally different like we

were already around George up and back came earlier you know with like 80 K to go yeah yeah we didn't do the combo every year um it was some years we didn't even do it but I am proud to say

“I never walked up the combo in my career in the race wow you got to you you you you have to”

miss a bit the the the mirror yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but I think I think we estimate it with the quorum on then this local circuit you know they they have so many opportunities to do these clams or three times the quorum on two times the potterberg it's what they can set up there for the people I mean and even if you live in the VIP events you can go from one place to the other with a car yeah or a move like you can see them so many times it's the only race aside from

track racing that they've set up an actual stadium yeah yeah where they can charge good money

and it's they've really done an amazing job in that sense yeah I would say is Lancet that

I missed that climb I would say though there was years that you're getting winners on the old course that you're like is this really the biggest champion in the race so the new course is definitely better at filtering for that is it too hard though because Johan you just hit the nail in the head if you're struggling on the second pass of the quorum on patterberg it's race over so then it's basically 50k where we know what's gonna happen that to me that's the downside of the circuit

that I just praised for its financial benefits yeah I mean especially when a guy like Pugachar I mean take Pugachar out of the equation right we have so it's completely different race yeah yeah yeah we don't know what was gonna happen those guys those for the next four are together if he's not in the race okay all right and the question is it keep going right he we're he ready set he's not gonna do San Remo again does he keep going after these

classics like planners and we're being next year it's got to yeah well what he's got the brings me to that this was the thing I was thinking I'm next I mean it look I mean it's racing Rubei guys kind of running out of things to do this is winning Rubei would be one but if you can have a season where you win all five monuments it's possible no I I we'd have to Spencer look up there on on some of the markets with what that's trading at like this I would

all five yeah yeah it was gonna be immediately as he was gonna beat him at lumber dea yeah

“never should have done by the way that would be unbelievable never now win a five monuments”

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Pagotcha running through all five monuments I mean he's just like put this in a perspective the thing that blows my mind is we're talking about him getting bored running out of things to do

but he's doing this against competition that Matthew Vanderpool through his first eight seasons

like he's in his eighth couple season he's the best he's the best of all time through his first eight seasons like Pagotcha's and think about you want to spend a guard he's going to become spoiler alert for anyone that hasn't seen the geota tell you he's going to become like what the seventh writer a thwriter of all time to win all three grand tours in their career like he's going against really good writers and he's just racking him up I mean through

he's done flanders four times he's lost it one time has not lost it since 2020 too like what do you guys these guys think he's going to win rubet like what are the chances that this actually happens I don't know how to even watch and anybody that bets against this kid is nuts you've been through that difference yeah all of those things by the way I look I did

get ahead of myself and look at the forecast because that's always a factor there at that

by grace is is nice 16 degrees no rain that helps him yeah but at this point why not go for it dude let's go do something that we've never seen in history of the spirit yeah I mean especially if you look at if you look at I mean last year first ever part of the situation of Pagotcha he really surprised me he was very close man I think this year he I think he's better than

Mathew Pagotcha the way he wrote today man on those you could clearly see in between every sector that Pagotcha was being compassionate with Pagotcha Pagotcha decided to slow down otherwise he couldn't possibly it's it was clear of course you know it was different you know it's

“flatter yeah I don't agree on I think I mean the powers the guy like Van Pol has on the flats”

yeah I just don't I can I know we keep saying how good it is but I didn't think I think it and the technique yeah and the way he goes into the corners this is all the end of end of his team will be much stronger in Ruby I mean there is specialist for the for Paris or Bay so I don't think it's

going to go quite like it did today although of course you can never count out what Pagotcha

can do but I would assume that Van Pol will be even better next week yeah I think so too I can walk Van Arts got some making up to do set a rough couple weeks yeah but he's on a good level he's he's close he said at the idea he said you know I'm I'm happy with my race you know I you know some people seem to forget how extraordinary Pagotcha among the pool are I didn't forget that so it's very the answer you know so yeah a good rest thing last year we saw

I'm getting a bunch of sports also in this classic and then you know when it's the hardest stage in the giro I mean obviously he's on great form I think he's going to be really good next

weekend as well if you have your team in Paris or Bay let's talk about that for a second yeah flying

over tomorrow we're doing scale degrees on Wednesday and then we'll be on Sunday now um did those boys on the team know that how many did eight riders to Ruby do they know that if you were put on the team set that you'd beat half of them do they aware that I know that's not probably not the most inspiring thing to tell them before the race but you 100% you'd beat half a team no probably not everybody can with them last month and then I'm going to do it again

“on Thursday yeah we have to say something about that George you have to say something about”

that yeah and I crash in the recon my first section both busted my ass I'm narrow to kind of show my guy some good technique and I'm the first one to crash is not very Mosca but I got better as a day went on you drop some of them no I was just hanging on I made it with them for every section they did but hanging on for dear life it took it to the start list you only have one you have Sean Christian on the start list I would have meant that you know we had a bunch of guys said

George you can be dropping them yeah we've had a bunch of guys say so we're actually waiting until Wednesday to do our final roster because I mean just depends on who they're all on the up right now so once they will be good good indication of who the final guys are you want to know what you're going to say about this but you and you and I both had a we we were skeptical about Remcoevina poll and frankly I couldn't I don't think I could find a single other writer who

podium debt flanters after not doing he didn't he hadn't done a single classic this season before this I that's mind boggling he's definitely helped by the hardness of the race that it's less complex maybe than it used to be but we're missing one big name today his name is Jonas Fennigard should he have been at this race should he star we in an era where guys just have to start doing these one days no not him you're not gonna do this it's not you know why is that though for the

let's put I'm an overall play as a stupid person why can't Jonas do well at this race I wouldn't I wouldn't put it past him doing well because you saw him in the rebase stages in Tour de France I mean he's quite good up positioning different zone if I know it different yeah I know but

“I think I mean I mean physically this and the guy's amazing but I think it's the mindset”

he's just mentally he's not ready for this and he will never be I mean it's this is not his thing

and you know I don't blame him he's yeah if you're not super motivated to go that why risk you know depending on your whole career unless you're dying it's like your lifetime goal is when flinders have not don't even bother going what's the mindset difference like what's what's required you got to love the race you got to you know some did I ramco grew up and the region said he lived at the bottom of the bus park or grew up there and I mean just as a kid you dream of race

into a flander so there's there's the incentive there oh which I want to win everything there is on the calendar so there's the incentive there but I mean last never really had much interest in flinders or any of those northern races unless he was going there to help me that's right super domestic listen not in just I just kind of haven't watched I will say I think today I did watch a little bit of

and seen the results if I'm being regard I'm avoiding poker chart because from what I'm gathering

just by looking online I mean he's kind of back come his performance as their exceptional he's crushing if I'm him I go and full on hideout mode thought I I'll see you in July interesting

“I would that's what he's doing he's with a giraffe but I wouldn't even I wouldn't want anybody to”

write about me talk about me look at me I would wait and say to myself we'll see what happens in July well he's been dropping a couple hints along the way with his wins saying he's still far from his best and obviously he wants to win the 0 but I think in his mind is a good bear to the bear

barely win it just because that's the only that's the only guy that can make July interesting

yeah yeah there is a new guy pulsate shots maybe we should save him for the tour pretty yeah but he's pretty good it's interesting you say Lance like what if Yonorick was he was smashing the classics like would you have been like I got to get out there or you're saying what you would advise for Jonas I need to hide out until the tour yeah I would just that that's he's focused on that yeah I would just not I would just I would just try to be as under the

it although he's not I mean he's been writing incredibly well and winning and people are talking about it but the more that that there is some element of surprise but by the way I mean probably sure is not worried about that either this guy is supremely confident but look we're also talking

“I think part of our brains are talking about are hoping that this is the kind of fight we all”

get in July yeah we wouldn't love to see a big battle between those two I'm sure did you guys notice the Pagachar I'm hesitant to even say this technically should have been disqualified from the race did you see this yohan that he caused the yeah the trend right yeah the him and him and Remko actually it's that what there was the bait there was the bait during the race so do you see I rule say that if you ignore a light for of a railway that you're disqualified

obviously they were not gonna do that because it was half the Peloton but now during the I mean I was watching Belgium TV and the the court of justice is gonna follow complaint against all the riders who passed the red lights yeah what have they do with race incident so we're fighting crime in Belgium are we fucking lock them up and I'll show them yeah yeah it is it is interesting to hear you say hide out because that yohan do you think that shifting that riders that mentality is going

away that it's like less I'm gonna be in cognito until the two of the friends that like Remko's out here you know race in one day is now because that going away that type of soul focus on the

“grand tours yeah I think you know they're all very complete riders you know it's nice yohan”

is a stage racer by the way you know barely winning it as you say lands the zero he's not he in my opinion from what I've seen especially in Catalonia he's not even gonna have to try hard you know it's just right to make for everybody especially with whoever will be at the start but but yeah I think I think these guys can do everything now man I mean yeah they they look for example back in your days how many guys did you know who could do a wheelie

yeah everybody get everybody's in an acrobat on a bike now you know that's a great point I

I've always it's been George let's can you ride a wheelie nope okay all right let's have some fun

with this because I have said to myself numerous times over the last few years that this summer or any of those summers I'm gonna learn how to ride a wheelie now it's a little scary and you don't want to but we could just go down to the park and this would be fun we'll film it maybe maybe we should definitely and because once you get it it's easy right you got it now the I would only be comfortable doing that on a mountain bike but I cannot do that and so let's

let's make that a summer goal okay on a mountain bike a road bike no no no yeah we're gonna

a few times or the backwards a few times let's let's let's try yeah that would be sick like if all of a sudden we nailed it and we're just like what's up like one hand out yeah I just like did I don't know how it now we are truly going down the whole you want to run up a good point because Peter's a guy in blue mines when he was doing the wheelie and I was like last year I was riding up the pass of seller and there was kids riding wheelies down the pass you know like oh boy

it's just things are accelerated in terms of you know technical maybe not tactical the smart but technical handy handling things to seem to be accelerating good all right well hey

“next weekend we'll see if let's see I think we can bro can we all agree right he gets through”

Rubey just hand him the five yeah yeah I think I'm a Georgia I think it's going to be tough to be a Vanderpool and it's the hardest of the of the even harder than sand rainbow I suppose right well I don't know actually not the way he wanted to serve what he did to serve was crazy yeah

you guys want to hear crazy stat about any perks the truth so he's first monument that he ever

does launch and rainbow that's the hardest race to win right wins it the first monument these starts it's crazy shout out at he works he won in seven times right seven that's so mind-boggling and what was going on what were people saying then like why are people working with this guy is just gonna drop you know difference for yeah well Lance I actually I want to ask you this before we go did you watch the nugget spurs game yesterday I did so unbelievable game my son I sent my son

it's like five years old and it was a spice to your game that I thought was going to be he's came back traumatized but so a guy like Wimbanyama comes around and he is warping he is changing the way the

“game's played and to beat him you have to have simple rules like these these guys that are amazing”

they've played a game one way their whole life they have to just they can't play that way because he's going to reject you he's blocking seven foot centers like just sending back their skyhooks you saw a yo-kitch figured out during the game like hmm I got to do things a little bit different and by the by overtime he's now dominating one banyama because he's figuring out how to play the game differently do you think right like do they have to come up with pagachar rules and just

stick to them like never work if you make the race hard you're helping pagachar and just

stick to these rules as the race goes on well that's that's what I was alluding to earlier in the show that look there's a lot of ways to look at that I mean is that it that that'd be a shame but I mean we spent half of the show talking about that how do what do you do

“I don't think that will ever happen if this is not one-on-one this is one versus twenty”

so everybody has a different agenda has a different approach all you know you know and some directors are very skilled and others are not right so they all have these illusions that's just not going to happen I mean there's probably some some simple things that I mean I would certainly make that team control any race and if you're in any group and you're just like it's hard to when you get in the moment because they know they're on TV they know they're going to look like

a total pansy just sitting on the wheel like I'm not pulling it gets in their head I would defer to Johan on that I mean Johan well I mean it's to go back to this board has changed so much lands I mean like you know you don't see the directors talking to each other anymore with a common rule make it hard on you know we know what I was back in our day you know we had the whole Peloton against us and some people actually agreeing together to ride against us this

that doesn't happen anymore once they're in a certain situation directors don't talk to each other they all have their plan they stick to their plan they you know they're focused on the data

that's it tactics or overrated into the second hmm well land's kind of eludes to it there's

it's not basketball where there's two outcomes winning and losing there's multiple like there's a fifth place you know so you're not all working toward the same thing but I maybe just a little out of George try this so right like a little float chart is put got your in your group and then an arrow down do not pull just tape that to everyone's handlebars because everybody needs that on their handlebars all right well you guys have anything else on this race before we're back next week

prepare I will say just last thing on them I think he he does himself a real service and you see

his relationship with Remko he wasn't worried about Remko you camey is that worried about him at

all I don't care what he said in the postries interview the last thing I wanted was for him to get back that's a bunch of bullshit right he just didn't want him back exactly exactly period not because he was scared of him or worried about some different out now he knows the outcome but he and you've seen this time and time again he and Vanderpool have a camaraderie there that's it's very different than any of the other ones and and so but but what what I was starting to say was I mean people like

“not people people do like him the riders in the peloton I think obviously have a ton of”

respect for him they also like him he's done a good job managing the politics out the sport managing the politics of the other riders the other fair it doesn't matter if you're if your his biggest threat are threat number 100 he's done a really good job of sort of keeping this relationship with those guys and and lastly because I think I'm uniquely suited to talk about this because I did a terrible job of that I did and so Johan and we you just said it right we yes we had you know they

would sort of gang up on us because we were dominant but they also ganged up on us because they were pissed like this this this peloton's like shit this is kind of cool I get to say I was here it's the guy's nice and he's petting me on the back and I hell I don't know maybe it remembers my uh my wife's name says how how should you know we're you know he's a very he's very

“political like that which I got you have to be encycly he's a like guy for sure yep yep yep it's”

going to I mean that'll just continue and that's not changing he's always been that way he can

continues to be that way it's going to continue to serve him well yeah I agree you know who doesn't like him I don't know if we should say it oh boy I don't know Johan it's Johan is a real good good yeah just doesn't like him which makes the tour so fun I'm excited already but yeah I also helps Vanderpool thinking like by the way by the way I'm glad he doesn't like him let's go it is that's good it helps Vanderpool with the relationship when you're thinking okay okay you're

going to big brother me today and then next week I'm probably going to beat you in win Rubei so

“that's I think that helps the relationship a little bit yeah yeah and stay out of trouble like this”

listen listen it's not it should not be lost on any of us that him racing pair Rubei that is the most dangerous race you can do like he had he and he knows that and his directors know that and this by everybody associated with that juggernaut knows that so you've got to be very careful this yes all these things would be nice went all five monuments one season continue the domination et cetera et cetera the tour is the only one I mean is the one that matters the most especially

for that sponsor or what are we going to see in Rubei is the same as we see they're going to go early they're going to be on top of the top so yeah yeah well we only got to wait seven days

by the way two yeah never mind hopefully you see one of our program dejuersies

and the breakaway or so absolutely absolutely yeah all right everybody thanks for tuning in we'll see you for Perry Rubei next time. All right. All right. See you.