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Take away of today the same way as we've seen in the last few mountain stages is that Jonas is an illegal one of his own here in this G-SET and then it's the rest. Everybody welcome back to the move plus. I'm Spencer Martin. I'm here with Johann Bernier.
We are breaking down stage 20 of the Gyrta-Talia. The final mountain stage. The final G-SET piece before tomorrow's procession slash sprint in Rome. Jonas Fintagrad won the stage one minute and 15 seconds, potentially his biggest gap winning
gap yet, Johann over a few years ago, with Jai Hindley coming in third, stop us if you
heard that finishing order before on a mountain stage. Derek G coming in fourth, incredibly strong ride from Barry G. And time and arms been with the ride of the day from Egan Bernier and all pulling him back into that group after they were dropped, saving his fourth place, stopping Derek G from going in to fourth himself and then another ride of the day of Fanzo Ullalio coming in seventh,
two minutes, three seconds down on Vinegard to save his young rider's jersey. I mean, that was to me the most surprising ride of the day because this was a seriously hard stage and Ullalio finishes right up there with the top GC guys. The Varycaps going to be quick. It starts.
I still can't believe this is what they made these guys do this.
It starts at 10 30 in the morning, 133k of rolling to flat basically, a breakaway goes
a five-ish rider break, they get about five minutes. They're sitting out there, bacon out there, it's hot. And Johann, I go for a ride after the start. I'm riding for two and a half hours. I come back.
They haven't even hit the climbs yet. And I'm settling in the hit the first of two pionk of all those. Beesma, as you would expect, paces up the first, the first pass of that with Victor Campinards.
“They're bringing the gap to the breakdown almost faster, I think, than they wanted to.”
They get it down to about a minute by the top. Vinegard talks to Jacone says, "Chillapro, I'm going to let you get these KLM points so you can be the king of the mountain at this zero. Jacone got it. It doesn't save the zero for his little truck team.
We'll see what happens tomorrow. Maybe they get a stage one as well, but that's a big accomplishment for him and the team.
They come to the second pass of Pionk of all, though.
These might run out of guys way faster than they, I think they expected. They had Bart Limit on the front taping out a super hard pace. It drops up, coups. It drops big and slowly, so suddenly, Jonas goes from having three guys to set pace for him to zero because Limit, then Limit gets dropped to the about 11 K to go.
On the climb, Jonas does the Pagotchara vote. I don't have any teammates. Let me just attack. Any attacks? I'm going to say maybe ten seconds and then says, I'm going to lose my second place.
If I try to do this, he sits up, manages his effort, Jonas rides away, wins a stage by over a minute, kind of interestingly, the rest of the guys, like a lot happens, they're splitting up and then by the time they get to the top, they're all going the same speed.
“They all finish about in the same time, but what were your major takeaways from the stage?”
Johan. Yeah, Spencer, you know, as expected, stage 20, being a mountain stage, we have seen this scenario over and over again, that there's the strongest guys, there's no more surprises. Whatever has the guys have left in their legs that do the talking, right? Visma made it clear that the day they wanted to go for the stage win, exactly what happened.
Take away of the day the same way as we've seen in the last few mountain stages, is that Jonas is in a league on his own here in this zero and then it's the rest. Today again, he had to go with 10k to go, as you mentioned, that doesn't really bother him. I think when Jonas, being a guard goes, he is basically just under threshold, can maintain that, you know, he was again in time trial mode, very smooth and fluid, you know, there's
no contest on who was going to win the stage, he just, you know, gets away and then gradually without going full gas, I think the hardest stage for Jonas, being a guard in this zero world of first mountain stages where he seemed to be like more full gas, trying to drop his rivals, the last three stage wins were not full gas in my opinion, it's still hard, you know, he's sufferers, but it was very, very much in control, you know, the fact
that Philly's goal was trying to follow in vain, as you said, five to ten seconds maybe,
You could see the facial expression, the difference in facial expression, the...
Yeah, it look like he's on a cool down, right? Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, that's the way we see it. I would think that Jonas would think, you guard with disagree with that, it does, you
“know, listen, even if these guys win comfortably, it does hurt, they suffer, right?”
But they decide, let's say, the difference is, with these guys that are so dominant, like Jonas, being a guard in this zero, Pugachar, and almost all the races, is that they just suffer how much they're going to decide, how much they're going to suffer, exactly. It's kind of a very nice position to be in, you know, fourth time, fourth mountain stage in this zero, that we have the same top three, and it is actually the same order, and that's
why that's the podium. Number one, Jonas, number two, Philly's goal, number three, gently, those three guys are the podium, and I think on the second last stage, last mountain stage, usually it's the podium guys who make their statement. Not much else to say, Spencer, about this stage, you know, very hard.
Also, I heard a rider, I think it was about pools, actually, who said that, you know, it's kind of hard to recover, yesterday was a very hard stage, but there was a transfer, and they got to the hotel at 12, 30 minutes past midnight yesterday. Yeah, and then this morning, seven, 30 that had to wake up, you know, these are all things we don't see, but it gets to you, you know, the recovery is already super difficult in the
third week, but you know, with these logistical challenges, it's even more difficult. And that's also where the capacity of recovery of the real big stage race, stage racers comes into play, you know, people recover faster, because of the efforts on the bike, but also with all the other commitments that come with a grant to her. Well, I was thinking about that too, because we stayed out, you know, late-ish, because
we were at the goal last night, and then we wake up, go to breakfast, by the time we're done with breakfast, the stage is starting, I was like, man, like the Dolmite Summit finish, and then yeah, they must have been up seven a.m. eating and then getting ready to start today. That's hard. And here's my theory.
I'm going to run it past you. I was just staring out at the North Sea, sketching down some theories right before you record it. But how do you, by the way, how do you like the, the Belgian coast that's, well, it is different. I did not really know about it.
It's incredible, but potentially deceiving, because it's about the perfect weather you could ever have. Like, I went to Bruce today, and I was like, man, we should all be living in Bruce.
This is the best city in the world, but it's not always like this Spencer.
Yeah, I just kind of looked like Miami out there right now. I don't know if it's always like that, but here's my theory that, and you really have to be careful when you look at, like if we logged on Twitter right now, we would see all these breakdowns of Piancavallo, you know, Jonas did, I 6.5 watts for kilo. That's actually less than he did on blockhouse and stage seven.
“What's happening is, you know, it's all relative because he's, first of all, I think”
he might have been sick in the first week, like he said. So we have to take that into account. But everyone's fresher. He's putting out big numbers on these climbs.
These guys are staying with him, but then why he's Jonas, and he never finishes blows
second place in a stage race, and there them is because over three weeks, he just deaf doesn't really get worse. And, you know, it's been a hot, really hot race, a lot of super long transfers. I think that wears people down over time. And today was as most dominant win.
But if we looked at the numbers, it wouldn't be his most impressive performance. I can't, we would probably look like a middle-lean climbing performance, but in a context of the zero, it's really good. Yeah.
“I think you're right, you're right, you have to take two things into account.”
First of all, I'm convinced that Jonas is not going 100%, full gas. You know, the debate about whether he's at the top of his physical condition or not, I think that difficult to judge. I think he's pretty close to his best physically where he can be.
You know, I always take it with a big grain of salt when they say, "Oh, you know, I'm at
80%, 90% now I guess can improve 10 or 15%, that's very, very difficult to judge." But I am, what I am convinced of is that today, for example, he did not go full out, number one. And then, number two, I think on these kind of longer efforts, because what was it, was it almost 40-minute effort, 38-39-minute effort, just very long.
You know, those efforts after three weeks are obviously going to be, you're g...
less power output than in the first week.
That's normal. I mean, otherwise you're Superman.
“And so, you know, it was not really, I think the condition of Jonas being an artist is optimal”
right now. And, you know, he's going to win this zero without any real rival rivals. And now his challenge will be how to bridge this five week gap to the Tour de France. He's going to have to take some rest, and then he's going to go to altitude. He's not going to do any more races.
That's the challenge now. How to manage this time. And that's, you know, interior, you can say, "Well, you know, I'm here now, if I do this this and this, then I should be there, not then, but that's not the way it works." You know, sometimes it goes a bit differently.
But I think, you know, taking all the to a count, I think he's in a very good position. Now he's, you know, winning the zero, which was a goal. And in really good condition, and, you know, his homework is done for the Tour de France.
It's just a matter of now, you know, not getting sick, which is also, also always a problem
after a grant tour, and that you don't have that under control. You know, you're, even if, even if you're not just not going to finish exhausted, you know, your body is somehow depleted. And that's when you're very fragile for all little things that can happen to you. I'm not saying that's going to happen, right?
But it's something that now they will have to really monitor very close.
“Well, yeah, I mean, listen, at the end of the day, I think this, this, this victory just shows”
that he did what he wanted in this zero. And, you know, as we expected before the zero, you know, initially, I remember when we talked about blockhouse, for example, you know, you know, we don't know if he's strong enough Felix Gaul took time back in the last four kilometers, he took 11 seconds back, big deal. You know, back, back then, back then, we considered it the sign, right?
The special one. You know. Yeah, I mean, I don't want to say too much, because we do want to unpack some of these larger trends tomorrow on our, like, I don't want to burn all of our material that we're going to talk about tomorrow, but that still is a little confusing to me, because his numbers
were so good on blockhouse. I don't really get what happened, and then also the time trial, and I still have questions about that, I think, I don't matter for this race, but for the two of us. But I really believe that he was carrying a little illness in those four, five days there where he was, you know, not dominant.
And then the time trial was, it was not a disaster, but it was definitely not what we would expect from Jonas, the thing of guard, you know, the double tour de France winner, Volta Winner, now Jero Winner, you know, that's, that's it, I mean, we can talk about it tomorrow when we, when we're on stage, and in off-stand with Bradley, but, you know, he's now the eight rider only in the three round tours, and you know, the names are pretty, pretty, you
know, pretty significant, you know, Jacancritil Eddie Merck's Felicia Gimonde Bernard Hino, Alberto Contador, with San Sonibale Chris Froome, and now Jonas Vingergard. There's only eight riders who have ever done this. Well, yeah, I was talking to a former tour de France winner, that was like a week or two ago, and he was like, "Why, it like who cares?
Why is Jonas here? What a waste of time."
“And I think you just answered the question, right, to being part of that group is, is pretty”
special. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And I got to say, hand up, think, I was wrong, I was wrong, I was worried about the form in the first week.
Yeah, I was going to save that for tomorrow, so I'm going to ask you to go back and ask me tomorrow. We can talk about it now, but you know, tomorrow on stage, we're in front of a life audience in, you know, standard, I'm going to ask you the question, you know, if you're still worried about Jonas's form and his program.
Well, I'm going to ask Bradley about if he would recommend doing this year before the tour, but I would save from a distance, I think business managed as perfectly like they've really thought this through. They did, they did what they were planning to do, although I have to say, you know, it doesn't have any impact on the overall objective and the overall result of Fismar, which
was winning the zero, and finally winning six stages with the team five of Jonas and one
of Sapkus. But today, Sapkus and Pagan Zoli have paid for their efforts. Yes. Pagan need them in the end, right, but you know, it proves that my theory of the bucket that gets filled up bit by bit, ultimately can be very costly, you know, and Sapkus, yesterday's
Of course spent a lot of energy to be in the break and then to get away, comb...
with maybe some less sleep, the transfer, less recovery, Pagan Zoli also today couldn't do anything for Jonas. It didn't need to, right, but today, if he would have had a normal day, he could maybe have done his job for Jonas and then maybe have a shot for the White Jersey, which, you know, they can say whatever they want, oh, you know, we're not interested, but it was,
it was becoming a goal of Pagan Zoli doing the White Jersey, you know, and then today he has a bit of a less day and then you are unlucky that it falls together with a great day
“of Lalu and then what do you think about that day, from him, pretty impressive?”
Yeah, that was pretty impressive, yeah, I really, I did not expect that, I was kind of worried about him, but man, today he showed that he's very, very solid guy, you know, listen, I think it's well deserved for Pagan Zoli, for Lalu to, you know, to be fifth and especially doing that White Jersey, that's a huge accomplishment for him, so yeah, hats off to him and barraint to for, for putting that off, I feel like this zero to is a lesson in, you
could imagine American front office guy coming into a team and be like, why are we paying Jonas all this money? We got set coups. He won the Vuelta and then this year I would show to us like, well, there's levels here. There's differences in what bodies you've taken, a great example that is Bernal.
So think all these guys are, none of these guys can distance each other. Like, Jai Hindley's a great writer, feels called a great, great climber. They're stuck together, Bernal could have stayed with those guys. He, he drops back with Orangeman and paces Orangeman through the steepest part of the climb, pretty smart on, on his part to not surge, but keeps Orangeman there in the game for the
steep part. They get to the last final kick, 5k, which isn't a steep and Bernal just rips through that gap. Like, got to 30 seconds at points. I mean, that was, yeah, that shows you he might not be a tour winner anymore, but the
class is still there.
Yeah, now he's solid, you know, solid and you know, class, you can never discount a discard
a guy with super talent and class. You know, he may not be consistent anymore, but there's always flashes of that super talent. Yeah. Come back at some point.
You know, he's been really inconsistent in this, in this, uh, 0, but today for Orangeman, he was worth his weight in gold.
“Obviously, Orangeman, I think, had expected, uh, you know, to have a shot at the podium.”
Uh, it would also have to be a situation where Orangeman has a great day and Hindley had not so good day. That's also not, was also not the case. Um, but I think everybody's, you know, everybody's where they belong based on what they've shown.
There's nobody, I don't think it's anybody who can say, you know, I, you know, I came for more and, you know, it's, it's because of this of this. There, for example, uh, he's in what six, six place, no fifth place. Oh, 50 points. Yeah.
Okay. Has to allow you. A pastoral, you're exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he passed him yesterday already. Right.
Yeah, because of that. And what's funny about G is behind, you know, this is pretty tight, so G is 54 seconds behind Orangeman, and then he's just like a minute and a half behind Hindley, and then he's
basically two minutes behind G all two and a half minutes.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but I think overall, you know, everybody, everybody is where they, where they deserve to be based on what they have shown and what they have performed in those three weeks. So, um, so yeah, I think that's great.
Do you think about, do you think G kind of got back on track in this third week after tough 12 months? Obviously, I mean, he was, he was definitely on a lot better level and a lot more consistent than he had shown, you know, in those in those other mountains, they just, um, he was up there all the time with the best guys, which, you know, in the first few mountains, they just
he was struggling. Um, shows a lot about his engine, you know, that he has, he has a really good endurance, and he's a solid rider, but I honestly think that this, you know, four to four to fifth place, that's the level of the RIG. And for RIGG to be close to the podium, there need to be circumstances still, listen, there's
not many riders in the world to a Peloton who can say that there are, they are a top five ground tour rider, there's not many, and RIG has now done it twice. So, that's where he is. Yeah, because it's not, it's not as simple as doing five times. Is it twice or three times?
“It's twice, I think the third time in our head is a little confusing because do you remember”
the first time he came to the zero, he was just a stage hunter and he got something like
Six second place.
Exactly. Exactly. But he didn't go for GC, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Yeah. But yeah, super, super talented rider. Let's take a quick break, and then I have some, a few trivia questions for you, and then we'll talk about tomorrow's stage if you don't have anything to say about. Okay, so we're back, Spencer, before we get into your questions and your preview of the
model stage, I just wanted to ask, what was the experience yesterday on the Wheeler wattage festival,
“the show, the evening, you got to meet some of your idols heroes, I think.”
I'm really old, like at the Blancard we met and you know, Patrick Lefevra and you were next to Tom Bohnen, Philippe Gilberre, Van Avermatt. What was your impressions about the way the Belgians set up these cycling related events? Well, yeah, I was pretty blown away, pretty cool to meet those guys. Also funny that, you know, Tom Bohnen, Gilberre, they're just a little bit older than
me, but, you know, if you're 14 years old or you're 20 years old and some of them
once 26, they seem so much older than you and finally, these guys are just my peers basically.
So that was kind of interesting, but the event was really, really impressive. Like, talk about putting on a show and if very cool to talk to Tom Bohnen and Tom Bohnen, big, big fan of the wider tires, you know, huh, thanks 32 mil tires and disparics have changed the game and pro cycling and I tend to agree with them, but it was surreal to
“see all those guys. I mean, they're just sitting across me. It was Patrick Lofever,”
yourself, Bradley Wiggins, Philippe Gilberre, Tom Bohnen, Tom Duma-Lon, looking fantastic by the way, Greg Van Avermatt. That was quite the lineup over there, but oh, and Eddie Plankart, obviously. And it also, it was cool to, they would play back their old wins and it kind of reminded like, you know, it was a beard. Van Avermatt, not that long ago, but it was pre-COVID and there's kind of a split of my mind and it, you know, there's all
this stuff about your careers you forget, you know, man, these are really, really good writers and you realize like how rarefied the air is up there. But I was also impressed by, you know, Ruben and Niels was the other presenter's name, like the effort and the quality of production in the show was really high. I was blown away by that. Yeah. Now, I was really nice. It was, for me, also, it was nice to reconnect with some people that I hadn't seen for a very
long time, basically everywhere at the show, at the hotel, at breakfast. It was nice. So,
thank you, Ruben Van Avermatt for inviting us, I mean, tomorrow. I hope we can deliver a great show, but that was really nice to attend and thank you very much for the invitation. I got to say, I'm just outside of being impressed with flanders in general, Belgium in general, just very nice place to be great canals to ride your bike along. Big, like, big respect for sports in this country, you know, like last night, cycling focused,
apparently like a kilometer away. There was just another sports goal happening and we were talking to your friend from the French Belgian TV this morning. And him and his son were, you know, I was vaguely recalling a game between the USA and Belgium and soccer in 2014 and they were walking me through like the play by play of the last 30 minutes of the game of like, man, these guys are really in the sports in this country. Like, they remember stuff quite vividly. It's been humbling
to see how much they pay attention to the minutiae of every sport it seems like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was nice. It was nice. And so, we went to Piancovolo today, or the race did.
“Do you remember the winner in the last time we went to this climb?”
Theo Gaganhart 2020, which seems like yesterday, but this is basically where he won the race.
And then do you remember the time before that? I know Pantani won there. I don't know if that's the second time they went there. It's the four time they went. I know. So Pantani was the first. Okay. I don't know who is the second one. Well, hint is we were sitting with one of the main characters last night. So it was 2017 stage 19. Oh, don't do it on. Okay. He didn't win there, though.
Meca Lando wins by the minute minutes. Like, eight minutes in front of the GC group. And I'm thinking, this is the best climber I've ever seen in my life. This guy's the next Marco Pantani. I mean, it's like, that just stuck out to me is one of the most impressive climbing performances I've ever seen. I also heard, subconscious was only the 116th writer to win stages in all three grand tours. Do you know that? No. Yeah. And then, guests, they used to dance in all grand tours.
It's not easy. Well, here, this is going to show you guests, guests the only other American to do it.
Think how many good American riders has been?
You're never going to get it. Because not Lance, because he never won his year of stage.
“Chris Horner would have been my guest, but it's not Horner.”
That'll have nothing. Not Tyler Hamilton. First name is right, though. Tyler Horner. Tyler for R. Yeah. I would not have guessed that. I would not have guessed that. If that was the million dollar question on who has to be. I wouldn't have guessed that. That shows you how impressive that is. Not a common thing to do. So tomorrow's stage, stage 21 in Rome, they already said they got out in front of the narrative,
not not being neutralized. So GC guys have to race this for time. 131k is pretty hefty, stage length for a final stage. They kind of start out in a business park in Rome and then ride out to the ocean and then come back to the middle of the city. They start to encircates its beautiful. You'll love it. Turn it on, watch it. How do you think this is going to play out and who's going to win? Yeah, it has to be a bunch, Prince Spencer. It has to be.
There are really people who try, you know, it's been proven that it works sometimes. But man, I cannot imagine for the life of it that especially, especially little trek will allow that a break away has a chance to make it to the finish. They have to try everything they can to win in this stage. They have now secured the KOM. It's obviously a nice price, but it's not what they came for.
I mean, it would be amazing for Jonathan Milan to win the last stage in Rome as an Italian
beating Paul Manje. Not sure if you can do that though. Manje looked pretty impressive. The last time I saw him sprinting. But it has to be a bunch, Prince. I hope for everybody that the weather stays dry because let me tell you, Spencer. No matter what they say about not being neutralized, if there's a few drops of rain, it's getting neutralized. I've been rain on the Rome circuit with me. No, no, it's having neutralized. Yeah, for sure. But anyway, probably it won't.
It won't. I hope it doesn't, but yeah, I think a bunch of sprint. Do you want me to tell you the last few winners before you give your prediction? I know, I know, Catherine this one there
a few years ago. The first year they did this circuit basically, Cabinish one, unbelievable
and retrospect. But a great deal from Grand Thomas Carrot Thomas on the 15th. You know, I would watch that in the moment and say, what is he doing? That's not the
“brief here. What are we doing? We got to respect our teams. And then, but that's the only thing”
I remember from, you know, when people go outside the box and you're like, they just do it because they're, they're mates with somebody. It's a very special thing. 2024 is Timmerlear over Jonathan Milan. 2025 is Olaf Koy over Caden Grounds. Okay. And it's a very hard circuit for a very cool way. Yeah, I mean, I'm going to say assuming, I mean, unless I haven't seen it, but I assume he's still in the race. I'm going to say, Dylan, Dylan Grounds, we're going to tomorrow. Is he in the race
still? Hold on. It's a very important. Let's just check. Let's just check. It's very hard to have stayed in the race for this stage. This is, I mean, that would be huge for that team. Yeah. If they won that. So he is, he finished today. So unless he does a non-start tomorrow,
“he'll be in it. That's a good pick. I think. Logic. Logic would say Polbanje. He won all the”
sprints every single one of them. I guess the real, the real pure bunch sprints. And so he could get his fort, you know, he's in Chiclamino solidly, but sometimes the last stage in a ground two or his different. So I'm going to pick almost all his different. Dylan Grounds, I like that pick. I like that a lot. I'm going to go John of the Milan. I mean, he was jumping in the break away today. He's got Anthony's pants. I don't know what's going on there. But he looks good. Looks lively.
I think he's going to win tomorrow. But Gruna Vagan would be. I personally actually would just like, I would like to see the what are the odds of what the odds of what the model?
Probably not since it's so early, but let me check.
I'm going to guess that Manje is the favorite. Like a plus. One is 50. That's to be. Yeah.
Milan's going to be like plus 200. Gruna Vagan would probably be plus 350. Gruna Vagan makes a lot of sense, actually. The more I think about it. The only disadvantage for his printer like Gruna Vagan
“is that he is the least good climber of all the sprinters. And that's how much he has spent a lot more”
to make it in the time cut or to make it to the finish, then the other sprinters. That's true.
Going against him, but you know, pure sprinters on a flat circuit. When they smell the finish line,
“it's different. And he has a great team for the lead out, man.”
Yeah. He doesn't very get team for the lead out. Very focused team. How how do they get to
room tonight? Are they flying? Like right now? They're flying. They're flying. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Talk. That's brutal. Don't. Man, let me tell you. People don't realize how hard this is. Like, you know, you're you've done just this double day super hard mountain stages. You're the
“destroyed. You have to go on a plane. If you sit and comfortably, everything hurts. Yeah. No proper massage.”
You know, because now you're going to get too late to the finish to the hotel. It is hard. You'd be wondering, why are we going to roam? We just got to put a row now. What are we doing? But anything else you'll have before we take off? No, that's it's better. Well, thanks so much. I'll see you on stage tomorrow. And we'll try, we're actually recording that episode before the end of the stage. And then we're going to try to record like a little bit on stage 21 when we get to our hotel tomorrow night
that can go on the beginning of the episode. Yeah. Sounds like a plan. All right. Thanks you on and see you tomorrow.
