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He's acknowledged that it's getting a little spicy. So today's a perfect day where he could have said, "You know, let me... Today's the day where I shouldn't... As Tate, I shouldn't do Tate things now. He can't help himself, and I love it.

“He's the best writer in the bike race, and if you want to go...”

...despite it all, then go." Right? And so I give him a lot of credit for that, and the kid is a champ. Right? He's just a stone-cold champ. All right, everybody.

Welcome back to the move podcast. Lance Armstrong joined by Sir Bradley Wiggins. Mr. Georgetown Kappy, who is still... Still in the hurt locker with this tooth. We just had a little... A little slipper of hope.

With the dentist down in Glenwood Springs. Bobby Jullick's hometown? Yep, that's right. I'm going to say hi to his peeps. Might get a little relief tonight.

And the professor, Spencer Martin.

Just, let's do this first.

Alan, what would we do? Let's get this out of the way. Where'd we go today, Alan? Stage 14 from Moulouz to limaxta-fearing. I mean, from Moulouz to limaxta-fearing.

“That's how a French guy says sort of a German-desk.”

Yeah, it's pretty good though. It's good. Pretty good. Taddy with the look of Taddy Poguchar just doing Taddy things. His fourth stage-win of the 2026 tour. His 25th overall stage-win. Just make it a look easy.

I guess Bradley, I'm going to go to you first. I mean, we wanted to have Johan on. He was out on a long ride. But we've not confirmed. Let's just speculate.

He is out training. And we just knew he would not have any filter when it comes to Jonas Vanguard. But instead, he's not here. So instead, I'm going to go to Bradley Wiggins. Bradley, what? I just...

Look, I know these guys have to do something. They have to try something. They have to ride their race. But I don't understand, I mean, just to set tempo. We were sitting there speculating what's... And then just to set Taddy up like that.

Yeah, look, I have to say I thought that was the most exciting stage of the race so far. Good, yeah. Good. With Jonas, look, I actually thought he looked better than he has done. Where he's some of the other climbing stages in this race. We're two weeks in now.

“I think he's running out of options as to what he can do.”

It's a very different approach Taddy this...

Sorry, Jonas, this year to last year when he was in second overall.

And I do feel like he responds better when it's a constant pace as opposed to these... Especially on these tougher climbs. And I think there is an element of him consolidating second on GC. So when Remco was getting dropped, Remco is a danger to him in that time trial, coming up on Tuesday for the second spot overall.

So he's running out of... He's left for very few options when he's in that position, because we all know what Taddy's going to do. And he probably knew what Taddy was going to do. And I thought he... he limited his losses pretty well when Taddy did go at that one stage.

But he soon ran out of legs. We saw that in the finish straight where he got distance yet again in the sprint. And I think he's limited by physically by what he can do in this race. If it's a bit of fatigue, maybe not as good as he was last year. Jiro fatigue, Walter fatigue means that there's a lot to consider.

But he's still... it's battling on. George. Yeah, I mean, I would disagree in the sense that I think he is maybe even better than last year. But poetry is even better than he's ever been. I'd like to see his sort of different tactics.

I don't think a guy like Jonas, he's won the Tour de France already.

Like second place is not that big of a deal.

Why not go for stage wins? Why not let your lieutenant set coups go up the road and make the race more dynamic as opposed to just pulling for Taddy's progress. To me, that doesn't make any sense at all. Now he... I mean, to your point, he was Remco was getting dropped.

So if it is, if he's despite what George thinks he should do, I mean, by the way, I'm with you too. Like you won the Tour. Yeah. You won other grand tours.

Who cares about the Tour? But by the way, maybe he cares. Is he making these calls himself or has he been told to do this? Well, this is why I want to go on. Yeah.

On. But I also understand secret training. My guess is being told to do this. Yeah. I get all of this.

That is a tempo that suits him better. A more consistent sort of eight out of ten tempo. But he's also probably hearing that Remco is getting dropped.

then he says, "Look, I've got to keep him distance. Now, Remco did a decent job of coming back." By the way, it's also worth noting team UAE again. First and second. Right?

With the executive tour getting second.

Who also wrote a hell of a stage. Got dropped. It was Remco came back. Yeah. And then ended up finishing second on the stage.

Yeah. I mean, I guess we should say. Yeah. But what is the function of second place?

“So it's important to couch this with yes.”

He was distancing Remco. That's important. Because Remco is a good at time traveling. Will Remco even be in the ballpark tomorrow. I guess we don't know.

But why does Jonas care about second? Should it be ready? More like Tom Pidcock. Like why not jump in the early move? Like what does he really care?

I don't think he's not going to care. I don't think that's in the car. He's got to be no men's lens. Right? But use your guys.

I mean, I don't know. I don't know if he's going right now. He was he's looking better and better. Like send him up the road. Let's let's go for stage ones. Let's build some more like ambiance.

And you know, get the momentum going on the team. And that'll change everything. Like as opposed to just riding there right in for second. Or or pulling for the guy on the yellow jersey. I don't know.

Just doesn't make that much. The problem Jonas has now is not. He's going to lose to tattoo for being honest. No, he's he lost 10 seconds to pulse exhaust. He lost 12 seconds to ease it.

I'll tour today. Like what what happened at the end there? Well, he did all the work. I mean, he won't make my pull the last 15. But he didn't have to.

You're right. Yeah. You're right. He's not showing six seconds. But but plus the that with the time.

Okay. Time bonus fair point. Yeah.

And like those guys looked amazing.

Yeah. So then what's going to happen when you get to harder climbs. I. I. I don't know.

He seems George you said this. He seems surprised at the end when they were sprinting. He was like, well, where you guys going? Why do I do this? He's asking them to tour to pull through.

“I kind of looked around like, wait, why are you guys open?”

You're right. Yeah. You just kind of wonder about the race awareness a little bit. Has he ever been in this position? Because if you think about his whole career.

He's out to bend the best in the race. You know, or the second best. And only had to worry about one person is a bit befuddled by having multiple people. And they're also good. Like, right.

This isn't allowed. What's going on here? Yeah. And I think even just watching Paul says that's his team today. You know, he's not that in training set up early fast tempo at the bottom.

They seem to be more confident as they're getting closer to the alps. And getting closer to the hardest piece of part of the race. So I think he's he's more on the up right now than Jonas is. And I will say about let me just talk about Toda for a second. Because this is today is a perfect day, right?

For him to and it has been covered. And he has even acknowledged that. And I think the Paul Sashos factor is starting to play here. With with the French crowds, with the crowds on the side of the road. He's acknowledged that it's getting a little spicy.

So today's a perfect day where he could have said, you know, let me. Today's the day where I shouldn't. As Toda, I shouldn't do Toda things. You can't help himself. And I love I love it.

You're the best writer in the bike race. And and and if you want to go. Despite it all, then go. Right. And so I give him a lot of credit for that. And the kid is a champ, right?

He's just he's just a stone cold champ when it comes right down to it. And you put a number on his back. Whatever motivates him, you just said, I'm going. And I don't care what anybody says. And I appreciate that.

And I really do. And speaking of other moves. Paul Sashos into the white jersey. That's one we should we should. He's up into the white to want to use so head a rough day as these guys are starting to get distance.

He was clearly swinging and he was clearly in trouble. God forbid, he not look at the profile 14 years finished climb. But this kid, Paul Sashos, I mean, this is 19 years old. What did you say Spencer? Two years younger than the second youngest person in the bike race unbelievable.

He's now up into the white jersey. And is now.

“You know, I'm sitting in fourth, but I think we can probably make a pretty good case that he's going to finish on the podium.”

We've never seen anything like this.

It's it's unbelievable, Bradley. This is a good use of that word, but I mean, what? I was excited. I loved this stage. I thought the stage design was great with the steep ramp and then going to the rollers.

It's not so obvious how you play it. What you do. And then, you know, tat is winning, but like, that's going to happen, right? Especially on the step of stage. But I was thrilled watching success and del Toro.

Like, I think that's the future. We're looking at like, Lance, was there ever when you were winning tours? Yons obviously is very good. It was a great rival. But I never remember the feeling of like, oh, there's a swell of another generation coming up.

So it's not possible. Yeah, I'm also a little younger, a little younger. Yeah. But not with, I mean, look, Paul Sashos is coming with. It's an entire country's worth of hopes and dreams on his back.

Like, that's nobody had that. You know, when that's coming. And he feels like he's getting better every day. Yeah, today. Well, this was the question, right?

He's now in charter territories.

He's never raised to bike consecutively.

You asked us, we were watching the race today.

“He has, do you think Paul Sashos ever done a bike race that had a rest day?”

Well, the answer is no. He's about to have a second one, so he's even more on charter territory. He's, and he's looking better and better. Yeah. He's in the white jersey.

And I will say, I mean, you know, however, ASO did lay out this course. With yesterday's stage, not being that far from today's stage. Even today's stage passing nearby, kind of itself throughout the day. The crowds are fantastic. I bring this up because, I mean, Paul Sashos is the beneficiary there.

Yeah. These are his people. Not, there's a lot of international people. These are his people. A lot of Germans out there too, because it's close to Germany.

Yeah. But it's contingent. But I thought that it was a big loop, kind of, because they passed the finish early in the stage, a really smart design for maximizing the crowds. Yeah, those crowds, even on the descents.

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It's a Bradley move of the day. I'm curious. This will be a good day for I think. Yeah.

“I think we're going to have different picks here.”

Go ahead. Well, I'm going to go for Paul Sashos, because, you know, where's we said we've got a weight of a nationally shoulders. He's living up to the hype. He's coming into the third week of the Tour de France.

Yeah, the unknown is 19. I mean, he wasn't even born when you won your last tour. It's phenomenal what he's doing. Yeah, I won't say it's unbelievable because that's getting used a lot. The crowds are unbelievable.

It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. But it's phenomenal what he's doing. Yeah. You know, his first memory of the Tour de France is firm running.

Really. That doesn't feel that long. Yeah. That's too bad. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm going to go with Paul Sashos. Well, according to your BBO, whatever that thing is, that it was hard to say to the Tour de France thus far. And he did not back down one bit.

I mean, he was right up there.

Cut back up to Jonas, incredible ride by him.

It was very happy at the finish line smiling. So I think he's just even more motivated for what's to come in the next week. Yeah. Well, he's at the Tour de. He got popped.

I mean, he looked in trouble on the climb. And then he came back. He got second on the day and looked good. He looked good. Yeah.

It's going to be a battle for this podium. Yeah. I'm excited because it's not going to be. We don't lock Jonas in for a second. This is going to be fine.

That's the race of the tour right there. Yeah. And the race of the future in some respects. I think you're going to be watching the Tour on six hours. Go out for a long time.

They don't have to improve that much. No. Right. A del Tour or Sashos. I mean, it's.

You know, and this is the case for any high level professional sport. Right. One. Two percent. You're there.

No.

Like these are not 10 percent gains.

We're looking at these kids going to boy. Yeah. This is years away. These are one or two percenters. That and they're right there.

Yeah. Right. And so put. I would have picked Paul Sashos too. So I guess I was wrong.

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20, 25th career. Did we say that? 20, 25th. Fourth of this tour, 25th of his tour career. Do you think he's going to, well, Bradley and I.

Did we just give him the 26th tomorrow? By the way, he's not about time draws either. Bradley and I were just having fun going through the rest of the course. So let's say it's assuming he wins tomorrow. So it's five for this tour, 26th.

Let's just say he wins the time trial, just for fun. So seventh, 27th. He could win three more stages after that.

“Okay, then what is the record for statements in one tour?”

I mean, some of these go a little goofy because it'd be like, yeah, it was 15 stages and one guy won 14. But in the bottom. But that's in the bottom area. I mean, probably would be a sprinter.

Half one six one new, did he? I thought I could do it. Yeah. Martin Cabin has holds the alt. No, that's all time.

In a single. I'm sure. Kiss cab did win six one year. Yeah. I thought I did.

We'll put gotcha one six recently two years ago. They are Freddie Martin's that he won maybe eight in one tour in one. Do you want like 15 minutes? I mean, that's a wealth or two, I think. Yeah, he did like win almost.

I totally have to stage as well. Well, then that's in jeopardy. Yeah. You have to think that's in jeopardy. He probably won't win the time trial.

And probably the second outdoor stage is tricky because it's a.

It's a funky day that probably favors a break away. Mm. Paris is tricky, but it's fun to imagine because he would win in the second. The second lost. Second or no, he got caught in the end up.

Yeah. But he knows probably the last rider to win in Paris in the. So that would be obviously he would want to do that. He could be looking. So he could.

Let's say he has 28 wins coming out of this tour. He's not that far off. And he gave one away. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Let's. We have to. Talk about Remco course he was he was dropped today. He did come back this guy this guy.

This guy hangs out. I don't know. I mean, he hangs in there. I mean, as we're watching. I'm like, up.

There it is. That's it. There goes his podium. That's. And he just comes back.

Right. And I don't know. I don't know. Let's not forget. He's been world champion time trialist for how many years.

I don't know. I mean, the guy can get out. Yeah.

“I think he's very good better than anybody else.”

He's very good. Judging his efforts. 8 to be as fast as possible.

And never really going to the point where he explodes.

Yeah. Knowing that today had what nine kilometers after the. The top. Yeah. To the finish, which was not downhill.

Yeah. It was. He had a little downhill and then was basically flat to the finish. So he see how strong he finishes. Dude, like, he's not only does he catch back up in the group.

He had a moment. But he outsprints them with ease. Yeah. Look. I mean, to his credit.

They take the time at the finish line. Yeah. Right. So, you know, as we're watching this, we comment on it. And sort of question.

Oh, here it is. That's it. It's over. I say it, but the time stops at the finish line. Yeah.

Tomorrow might be you to worry on a day where there's multiple huge mountains. Yeah. I mean, this has been an issue in the past.

You get dropped in the first big mountain of the day.

And then and then 20 seconds is not original. Then you're in trouble. Eddie marks one eight stages in a single two or two times. Two seven times. Hold on.

Smoke. But that is the record. Yeah. So there could be coming down though. Or at least tied.

And we'll see. Yeah.

“The other thing I think is worth just kind of as we start.”

Or feels like we're starting. You know, the next day or two, starting the third week. Every tour in the third week kind of these stories develop. We talked about this from one of the college yesterday with Oscar on Lee. I mean, Oscar on Lee was a week three story.

I want to watch this. Like what what is our week three story? There's got to be something here. I mean, I thought Caripass wrote a hell of a race. We were sort of now internally debating.

You know, he's such a good bike racer. He's an Olympic champion. He's, you know, one other big races. He wrote a hell of race today. Like, is he going to keep trying as he he was up there with Ben Healey.

Ben Healey was a week three story last year. And so what is it? Like, let's just. I think say chess is the week three story. Oh, what?

I mean, it be hell. But I think there's multiple stories, right? These are all story lines. Yeah. Both times Caripass was in the break, too. Like, he would have won had just one team,

not decided that they wanted to keep it close. Yeah. Well, today was a little bit different because UA was not pulling on the final climb.

But they kept it within, you know, they kept it where the sharks can smell the blood.

“Well, basically, I'm purpose right to something to Catholic and would do it.”

And then they would, yeah.

But, I mean, I kind of think if Caripass is, if you think someone's going to win a stage of the third week,

it's probably Caripass. Yeah. And we're going to start with another thing to watch with these stages as this three strikes on. And guys are getting tired because we had, we got close today. Time cut, time cut discussion becomes, or some, any issues, some guys.

I think everybody snuck in. But one guy got cut. One guy got time. Oh, yeah. Anthon charming.

He was in the break away a couple days ago. Mmm. That stinks. That's not charming. Let's see.

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Before we get into the stage. 15 preview. The professor over here just told me something on break. That halfway through today's stage. Now keep in mind it's Friday.

No, it's Saturday. It's Saturday. Even I'm tired. Warner. But it's Saturday.

So that means we have roughly a week to go. Halfway through today's stage. The tour had only done 52% in the climbing.

It's potentially the hardest third week they've ever had.

Yeah, I mean it's hard. I try not to, and I don't know where the riders. Yeah, they probably do look ahead. I don't really look ahead. That's amazing.

I mean this is. I mean the time code actually didn't does start to become a problem for somebody. If you're barely making it now and you've only climbed half of the tour. And you've got the other half in the final week and you're tired and it's hot. This is going to be a hell of a week.

Yeah, hell of a week. I mean I was just thinking then what, what are the, what are the predictions for the winning margin of tate in a week's time? Plus 10 minutes plus 10 minutes plus 10 minutes plus 10 minutes. I don't think he loves that happen.

Like on on next bets in xtbets.com such bed outcomes. You can see they have like a running tally of us in the. It was like plus 120 for five to seven minutes. And then seven minutes. And then seven or more minutes was was negative.

So like minus 150, which would mean that's the preferred outcome by the book. But I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I mean he is taking a minute every time he stands out.

Which would suggest it could be pretty big. Yeah. But I wonder if we'll see more defensive racing on the final. Essentially. Yeah.

Yeah.

And you see you see it from the interviews or the writers that are getting second, third, fourth.

They're not even talking about poetry anymore. They're talking about like where they were in terms of like who's in second. It wasn't there. Like it's they're not even mentioned him.

“So I think a lot of teams like least minute you think tonight they go back to the draw on burden.”

You know what? Let's just race. Like we're either going to try to win a stage or race. Like Jonas knows how to race when he's leading a big grant tour, which is attacking. Instead of riding tempo for Jonas.

To try to distance himself from third and fourth and fifth. Try to get a buffer there in this final week. I would think. Hmm. And yesterday Spencer revealed he has his other index that none of us knew about until yesterday called the VVOM,

which is basically a some sort of algorithm that tells you the hardest stages of the tour today stage. Was up until this point the hardest stage of the tour. I think it was 84 on the VVOM 83. It's not a single number. Now tomorrow's stage, which you can see if you're watching the show you can see on screen is a VVOM.

Of 93 I think you said. 94. 94. Wow.

“So 11 points higher of the hardest stage so far.”

And it's not even the hardest stage of the tour. Nearly 4,000 meters. Again, yet again. Of total vert.

It really looks never flat.

I mean, you look at that profile. It's just nowhere to chill. Interesting. Early intermediate sprint like we had today, which of course was one by Phillips and on a big climb. Not a flat one.

Patterson did get second. Further solidifying his green jersey. But here's a story of here. Here's the tail of the tape for tomorrow. Let's go to the final climb.

Nasty 11.3 kilometers at 9% average. There are pieces early on 10.1 11.1 11.3. Ouch. Yeah. And not a short day.

184 kilometers. You know, that's not 155. Yeah. Yeah, this is. And you know, that all that to say there's your 94 on the on the hardness meter.

Never done that climb in the tour before. Interesting. So I'd brand new climb. Did it in the dofenet earlier this year. He's a October one.

They did it in the dofenet. Three years, four years ago in the Jonas beat. Primus rocket chonin. But it never been in the tour. It's a hard climb.

I mean, you think out to us is a percent average.

That's percentage higher and it's still long in 11k. No. I mean, I'm going to say right now. Maybe this is getting out over my skis a bit.

“I think Remco could have a hard time coming back on that one.”

You know, if you get struck. Yeah. It's not a good climb for him. Yeah. Also, if you've noticed, that's a different mountain range.

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Not that hot. Like 70's. Yeah. So we're finally back. It's got to feel good.

Yeah.

The problem is a breakaway could lose on that climb.

Yeah. Those five minutes on easy group. Yeah. So at this point in the tour. Yeah.

I probably not would go. I would. I mean, they're probably if it's not breakaway. There's more. It's just a little bit of a pick.

Taday's winning. Yeah. They know. Yeah. The next guy doesn't breakaway.

Said he spoke to Taday before the start. He's like, he think the breakaway will go. And Taday's like, man, I don't think so. Or like, maybe not. Which means he's going for the stage one.

So I think they'll. So let me know already tomorrow to start. That's a hell of a scoop. Yeah. We're 31 minutes into the show.

And he comes with a scoop from a rider who had Taday whispering in his ear at the start. And we're 31 minutes in. Yeah. I think it would be the same tomorrow as well. Yeah.

I can't see Taday not going for the stage. Like I said at this point, just do it. The big question is, what does he want to do? Like, is he going to be leading Taday out going in with that climb? Like, get on my wheel buddy.

I'm going to launch you. Can't do that. Can't do that. Can't do that. I think he's got to start racing more aggressively against the guys that are behind him.

Give me answers. You know, trying to ride them off the wheel. Like, started. He knows how to attack. He's done it.

Just sit at the back. Just sit at the back. I can't do that. No, just sit at the back. Let the race.

Let it let it develop on its own or you have. Anyways. Let's take some calls. Again, the call in number. Every day, same number.

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Right for the roses class of 2001. My question is given cycling's global popularity. Explore any sacrifice and travel to sport demands. The very real risk of serious injury or death. Professional cycling seems significantly underpaid.

“If you could change one aspect of the sport to prove lighter compensation, what would it be?”

Thanks a lot. The lay enjoy the show. Mark from Minnesota. That's a loaded question that is almost. It's a great question.

And we have spent numerous episodes talking about this. And I'm not sure that in this particular. The segment of the show is the time to get into it, but it's a great question. And all say is we are and Spencer and I especially have been pulling stuff together. To have this discussion.

Now, we got to find a day. We might have missed.

Might have should have done it on some of these boring days two, three days ago.

But it has to be addressed. And it's not being addressed. The beauty of cycling is yes. The tour de France is one of the most marquee events in the world. It's just this.

You can't deny that. It is up there with the world cup. It is up there with Wimbledon. It's up there with Augusta. It's that.

So there are comps when it comes to these events. And there are comps when it comes to these athletes. And this peloton that you're all watching. And that we are watching is failing miserably when it comes to those comps. Now, you said something really important in your question.

You said risking your life. Because it's true. Nobody's going to die. Wimbledon final. Nobody's going to die tomorrow on the woke up final.

But these kids are risking their life. Not just on the men's side, but also on the women's side. And so that is a whole another layer of consideration. I want to sort of park the full answer. Because I do think we'll get to this.

We pulled the comps from the other sports. We talked about this in the past. Look. Taughty poker charged going to win the tour de France. The prize money for him winning the tour de France in 2026 is going to be no different than me winning the tour de France in 2005.

That's crazy. It's a fucking joke. That's a joke. Now, here's the reality. You might say, well, maybe nobody's making money.

That is not true. The family and the tour and ASO are making hundreds. Okay? Write that down. Hundreds of millions of dollars.

These athletes now are not participating in that. That's not right. That's not fair. Last thing I'll say. And this is one thing I would say to Taughty.

He is in a position to help change that. I was also in a position at the time to help change that. And I did not do it. The athletes have to sort of stand up and say, listen. This has to change, right?

“I mean, what do we think that the athletes from this year's tour in terms of total revenue of ASO?”

What goes to the athletes is somewhere around one or two percent? Yeah, maybe a smart person who works in the industry tells us percent in an email. We should say, too, the difference between, I know there was like Wimbledon was in the news for this lately. But Wimbledon's profits all go back to the Laontaine Association, which is a grassroots.

Basically, just like runs to kids tennis camps in the UK.

It's a fantastic organization. ASO's profits go back to, you know, who knows? It's just like private income. And listen, that's fine. It's their race and they've got it set up.

However, this race doesn't happen with the players, with the athletes, with the cyclists. We could keep, again, it's a great question. It deserves maybe an entire episode. The structure, right? The structure of the sport.

We have so many smart guys in the sport that want to have, essentially have a franchise. That is not, there is no franchise here. There is no equity. You do not own anything. Once your sponsorship dries up or runs out or you get sick of paying for it, see in the duches.

Right? There is nothing to continue with. That also should be addressed.

“Again, I think this is an entire episode.”

We've talked about it forever. The numbers don't lie. Right? If the athletes are pulling roughly 1% of the total revenues of ASO for this event, which is a beauty. That's not right.

Now you got me heated. They are lever. That's the problem. They need some sort of lever. Because the teams, there's nothing to burden with at the moment.

Yeah. You know. Anyways. Got me rolled up. Got me really.

Do you notice that? Yeah. Do you agree? I do agree. Yeah, thank you.

Maybe you host, like, the answer.

We've been talking about it all the time. We've been talking about it all the time. Yeah. We've been talking about it all the time. Look, and there's no point in going to ASO and saying, all right.

We're going to boycott or we're going to do something extreme. Now it needs to be a dialogue and needs to be a conversation. And what I would urge, like if I had a private room with the family, let's be real. This is the family that owns the race. If I had a private room, I would say, listen, you own the sport.

I know you might, you obviously own the Tour de France. But if you own the Tour de France, you own the sport.

“So why not make this whole thing, all of these ships rise?”

And there's a way to do it. There's a way to cut the athletes in. There's a way to create a structure where there's team equity. And there's actual team owners. I think.

So. Next call. All right, yeah, second call, second call. Hey, fellas, Ben here in Boulder, Colorado. By way of happening in London.

My question for you guys is, what is the most memorable interaction you've ever had with an overly enthusiastic fan on the side of the road? Positive. Oh, negative. It's not a lot of show.

You're what? Oh, that's good. When it was one of your people. Yeah. That's a good question.

But you're asking my brains. We're going to need six weeks.

We always had the good guy with the ball helmet.

Most memorable interaction you ever had with a fan. I think I've told mine on this show before. I may have to tell it again, because it is the one that sticks out. George, you keep thinking. Yeah, I'm taking a thing.

The Texas bullhorn guys that always came to the tour five, six years in a row. And then he came sort of going to Paris or Bay, Tour de California. It's on everywhere. It's like glue the horns on top of football helmet. And then we're.

And we will jersey. Yeah, football jersey. We're like your name on it. Well, it's a sandwich. Good run, too.

You're right. And he's in the middle of nowhere.

“I think Liz actually picked up his picked up his helmet thing.”

One time. And she was like, oh, my God, you put this on your head. And you run with these guys like. Yeah. That's going to beast.

Um. Did they want I could think of where? Which was quite annoying at the time. It was in 2012. I got a fan for a yellow flare at me that had just been lit.

So I kind of it burnt my arm. And I was covered in the yellow powder that comes off the flare. Yeah, okay. So I came out of this smoke. And I was just I was caked in yellow.

About 20 cage ago. Um, and that was quite, but I burnt my arm. That was that was the thing that I remember the most about it was. It just been lit and thrown into the front of the bunch. And I guess it was for the wrong reasons because then that time sky

would get and boot a little bit. So I'm certainly in the third week.

So yeah. I mean, I do remember one occasion riding behind you and one, one, two. Um, and I think you had urine thrown over you. At one point. Right.

That would have not been the only time that that happened. You're Ryan. So just so since Ben is clearly British. And he's in bolder. Is that.

I'm bolder.

“But if it wasn't if he wasn't British, you would said you're in.”

Pete. We're Ryan. But what do you want to mean? Yeah. You're on his secret.

Yeah. Yeah. All right. My, my, my, my, my most memorable one. And I told this numerous times.

So if you've heard it before. I had, I had urine on the brain as well because we, me and my son Ben, we're in the supermarket yesterday. Now, he's got two bike bags with him that I had. I insist they're on the balcony because his dog at home.

You're an eight son. He's quite constantly. It's like his place of, so the bags. Greek. And we're in the supermarket yesterday.

And there's a urine. I can spray that you can get that kills the smell of urine. Pungent smell of urine. And we bought that. So I got, I just see this bottle every morning.

It says you're on whatever it is. You know, that's right. That's, that's gross. It's two, it's both gross and kind of sweet. I mean, the dog is pissing on the, the, the bike bags because he doesn't

want Ben to leave. He associates that would Ben. Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. That's very sweet. It's a vicious cycle.

It's very good. Because we may be a cat would be like, oh, there's dog piss on this. I got a piss on this too. Yeah, there's a decision to be in mom. That's his protest.

Yeah. My favorite one was help to us. Time trial. I'm going along. And of course, time trial.

You're all alone. And there's, there's kid running beside me. And he's just. And he can run. Right.

And helped us as a steep to be staying with me for a long time. He's a screaming. And he's being, he's being very positive. Which was rare that day in 2004 and out to West, but he just. You're the man.

You're the man. You're the fucking man.

Finally, I'm like, all right.

I got this. I've had it. Getting's get tired and stop running. But he's not. He's not getting tired.

And finally, I look over at him. And I looked him right in the eyes.

And he stopped.

It may stop him in his tracks.

And I was like, that was pretty cool. I met the guy. I met the guy years ago.

“He came into me somewhere and said, you're not going to remember this.”

He said, I was running beside you. I'll knock the West. And I said, yeah, you were just kept screaming. You're the man. He's like, do you remember that?

I was like, of course I do. And now I'm still still talking about it. Speaking of fans, I did run into a nice couple last night. And I was out with your wife and a sheet. A couple of other people.

And this lady came up to me such as a huge fan of her show. But her five-year-old son watched why it. So shout out to why it. Thanks for watching. Thank you for watching this every day, religiously.

And he's a massive fan of the show. So thank you, Wyatt. That's a lot. Mom, I take back those F bombs for the last 20, 30 minutes. Yeah.

Sorry, Wyatt. But thank you. That is cool. Fentham trivia. Interesting question yesterday.

“Of course you had on over to venthamraising.com to submit to answer $5,000 credit towards”

Baker Choice could be the NS-1, like Bradley and I love, with the GS-1. Have a GS-1? Yeah, I did a gravel. I didn't do the waves. I wrote a gravel race.

A road gravel this year for the first time. Our days of racing are over. What race was it? The gravel in Scotland. Oh, wow.

I was going to do the race. But I turned up the day before and wrote a mass participation thing. Okay. Which is brilliant, actually.

I'd never ridden on proper gravel and so good.

I love it. The particular one, the GS-1. It was super. The question yesterday was Fred Rekogust, but I told you the artist from the Alsace region behind the line statue scene on stage 13 is also responsible for one of the most recognizable

landmarks in the world. Do you guys want to guess what? What is that landmark? Is this statue to me? George.

I would say that. It is. You're the sculpture guy, George. You're always talking. It is the Statue of Liberty.

“Which of course tomorrow would the World Cup find?”

Oh, they're going to show the Statue of Liberty about 50 times probably during the game. It is the Statue of Liberty. I went out there once. Oh, wow. Yeah.

It's toward a random place to go.

If you live in New York, you never go out there.

No. It's kind of cool. When I live in New York, never go out there. This guy is a museum in Colmar. This artist.

Worth going. Incredible museum. Would check it out. Yeah. Today's question.

This stage is 13 and 14 crossed the Balon, the Alsace. A category one climb credited as the first major mountain climbed in the tourist history. Is that right? It is credited as the first major mountain climbed in the tourist history in what year did it earn that distinction. 1903 was your one.

It was pre-tormally. Hmm. So that's a hint. I didn't know that. Hmm.

Anyways, head on over to ventonracing.com/themove to submit your answer. Great. Big day. Big day. According to the VVOM, we got another big day tomorrow.

And, and a big week. That's just crazy to me that after halfway through today's stage, we were roughly only halfway done with the climbing. No. Yeah. Imagine being a writer hearing that.

No. You're like, "What am I even in this race?" There's no more stages for me. Don't give it. We think you might be listening Tim earlier. Tim earlier, you can win still.

Don't give him any ideas. Yeah. Stay in the race. Yeah, he seems cool. Yeah.

All right, guys. Thanks for tuning in and we will see you all tomorrow at state 15. (upbeat music)