The confederates who left the USA

did I live this long?" and not know that. Radio Lab, adventures on the edge of what we

think we know. Listen, wherever you get podcasts. This is America in Perseute, a limited run series from throughline and NPR. I'm run labdhadhda. Each week, we bring you stories about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in the U.S. that began 250 years ago. In the aftermath of the Civil War, the country was being rebuilt. Slavery was abolished. Black men had won the right to vote, and the rights and protections outlined in the bill of rights. We're starting to include more and more people. For some people, the changes happening in the country were just the start.

But for others, they felt like a step in the wrong direction.

“Did they had lost relatives and friends to the conflict, felt insecure didn't know what to expect?”

Many American Confederates who didn't want to rejoin the union after the war, left in search of a place where they could recreate what they had lost. A world that still had slavery. slavery was really stable, and at that point, the Brazilian Empire was supporting Europeans and white Americans to come to Brazil. Today, on the show, Romten and I bring you the story of the Confederates, the white settlers from the Confederacy, who brought the Antebellum South to Southeastern Brazil. Forever changing the country's landscape.

All that after a quick break.

“Hey, it's Latte from Radio Lab. Our goal with each episode is to make you think, "How did I live this long?"”

And not know that. Radio Lab. Adventures on the edge of what we think we know. Listen wherever you get podcasts. The story of the Confederates goes back to the Civil War. After years of bloody fighting, the Confederates were forced to surrender. They suffered massive losses. Their land was in ruins. Their future looked grim. If you look at the letters and the documents, they were desperate. They failed to devastate it. This is Luciana Brito. She teaches history at the Federal University of Reconcavo de Bahia in Brazil.

Luciana says the end of slavery completely disrupted the economic and social way of life in the American South. Farms were overgrown with weeds. Railroads were torn up. Southern banks had no money.

The price of cotton was dropping on the world market, and nearly 4 million formerly enslaved people were now free.

Which created panic among white southerners. They were a real afraid of a wave of violence from the African-American population. So they left the U.S. in search of another slave society where they could continue their way of life with white supremacy as the social order and slavery as the economic system. The thing is, by this point in the mid-1860s, slavery had been outlawed throughout much of the Western Hemisphere. In Brazil, however, slavery was still in place. Brazil had one of the largest slave populations in the Americas, if not the largest.

The Civil War ended slavery in the U.S. in 1865. But meanwhile, slavery in Brazil was really stable. And at that point, the Brazilian empire was supporting Europeans and white Americans to come to Brazil. Brazil was living a process of widening the population.

“These are really important to say that the idea of white supremacy is transnational.”

The emperor of Brazil fought the country had become too dark and was hoping white Americans and Europeans

The emperor of Brazil offered the very low prices for land.

“This is Sunny Dawsey, a retired professor of geography and director of the Institute for Latin American Studies”

at Auburn University in Alabama. He paid for travel tickets for them to get the Brazilian provided a hotel and we're a designer for these people to stay. He thought it would be very beneficial to his country to receive these people from North America because they, and in fact, they did introduce new technology as diverse schools. The U.S. had much more advanced agricultural technologies and techniques, which he hoped they'd bring with them to Brazil, especially when he came to cotton.

Now, you might be wondering how the Confederates found out about all these perks. Well, individuals who had explored Brazil during the previous decade actually wrote a book

“or two, extoling the wonderful opportunities that lay ahead.”

There is one Confederado called James McFadden Casto, and James McFadden was a doctor during the Civil War. After the South lost the war, James McFadden hopped on a ship. Then he ran away to Brazil. He spent six months traveling around the country, meeting people, and taking notes on what he saw. And in 1867, he published those observations in a book called Hunting A Home in Brazil. All the requisites of the desire of a home have been found in

Brazil. Talked about how wonderful the soil was, the climate. The dark reddish or brown color of the earth is found to be especially well adapted to the culture of coffee and corn and beans. The cotton plant promises also in a abundant yield. Painting it almost is a garden of Eden. To ask other than people, the empire Brazil embodies the character and sentiment among the better class of citizens. Very much in keeping with our standard of tasting plightness. Those slavery

may be destined to cease and Brazil at some point in the future. By gradual emancipation, yet the elements of society which have resulted from the mastery of the white man

will never be erased entirely from the people. They would have the promise of, you know,

leaving the same racial dynamics that they lived in the south of United States. Similar accounts of Brazil were published in newspapers throughout the southern U.S. And for many, the promise of a better life in an idyllic faraway place was too good to resist. Thousands of people packed up their bags and decided to cash in on the opportunity. And they were not necessarily plantation owners. In fact, they very few of them were not all

the confederados had the money or came with from prevalage. So they were not the old slave owning aristocracy. These were just ordinary farmers, some doctors, people who had a family

history of always moving to a new frontier. But they also nurtured this hope of it become his

slave owners in Brazil. For some confederates, this was their chance to get rich quick. On slaves, make it big, a chance to become truly wealthy. The journey to Brazil wasn't easy and you had to

“say goodbye to everything and everyone you'd ever known. I think you really had to make a decision”

that you were leaving the old world behind and going to a new place, going to a new world. Up to 10,000 confederates heated the call and left for Brazil to start a new life. But when they got there, they quickly found out the wonders they'd been promised were an exactly true. Oh, definitely. They were a really surprised. Really frustrated. It turned out. It was not as suitable as it had been portrayed. Climate was hot and tropical. The soil was not

as good. Many of the crops that they attempted to grow became infested with diseases. The other part that came as a shock, race. Because they realized that the idea that they had of preservation of a poor white blood wasn't threat in Brazil. Pure white blood. That's what the

the civil war had upended. But they soon learned, race meant something entirely different in Brazil.

They talk about this a lot about all in Brazil. The same family had several shaders of a call, which was a shocking for them. Whereas in the U.S., if you were of African descent, you were considered black, full stop. In Brazil, it's not that simple. And this has to do with the incredibly mixed history there. When Portugal colonized Brazil in the 1500s, the settlers who came over were overwhelmingly white and male. They lived alongside millions of indigenous people,

but then Portugal began taking over more and more land for agriculture and imported a lot of African slaves to grow crops, especially sugarcane. So the settlers were vastly outnumbered by people

“of color. And the colonial authorities figured the only way to ensure their authority was for white”

settlers to form relationships with indigenous women. With each generation, the population of Brazil

became more and more racially mixed. And as a result, by the 1800s, Brazil had a new racial category, mestizo, that reflected that reality. In Brazil, a lot of the people who had African ancestors, black ancestors could look white, in live in Brazil and society like they were white. That's because race was determined partly by your physical characteristics, but also by how much money you had and who your family was. In other words,

it was possible to move between races because being white was more subjective than it was in the US. Which brings us back to the Confederados and the government initiative to white in Brazil

“by inviting them to settle in the country. It was an effort to offset centuries of this racial”

mixing. Faced with this unexpected reality, the Confederados desperately tried to hold on to things they knew. Things that reminded them of home. They spoke English at home. The kids grew up speaking English. They provided education, homeschooling. There was also the question of religion. The Americans were Protestant. Residents were Roman Catholic. Sunny grew up in Brazil, not far from where the Confederados originally settled. His grandfather was a missionary, sent to Brazil

in 1914 to do his work. Decades after the Confederados decided to leave the US during the reconstruction era. And so I do have a personal connection to that history. Sunny and his two brothers would hear stories about this strange place, a town of expats from the Confederacy, where seemingly opposite

“world collided. After all, they themselves were Americans growing up in Brazil, speaking English”

at home, Portuguese with everyone else. And they couldn't shake that feeling that there was a deeper story there. So after going to college in the US and starting a career in academia,

they set out to find it. We uncovered some documents, first-person accounts,

and ended up hosting a conference and writing a book about the topic. It's called the Confederados, Old South Immigrants in Brazil. Just as happened here in the South for so many generations, the whites thought of their own society, of their own culture, and really didn't interact and didn't think much about what was going, unfortunately, of course, what was going on in the broader communities. Eventually, many Confederados decided they'd had enough

and returned to the US. But a Confederado onclave remained, Americana. Obviously, that was not the name of the community at that time. In fact, there was hardly anybody there. And it took on the name of Americana simply because that was where the Americans did establish themselves. And Americana became the epicenter of Confederate life. I often liked to compare it to maybe Plymouth Rock here in the United States. It came

an area that was known for being a place where their Americans were, and if you wanted to be with the Americans as a Confederate, then that was where you would go. In 1888, slavery was abolished in Brazil. The last country in the Western world to do so. The thing that had drawn so many Confederados to Brazil was now gone. And as time went on, the Confederados who stayed began to assimilate into Brazilian society,

intermarrying with Brazilians, speaking Portuguese, and redefining what it means to be a Confederado. Initially, of course, they were immigrants from the South. They were

known as Americans. It was not named Confederado. It was named Americana because this was the

“town of the Americans. Some people in the town of Americana have started calling themselves”

Confederates again. They hang the Confederate flag proudly. So, as I romanticize as a fantasy about this confederate alive, of this confederate accessory, they celebrate it. But at the same time, they are fully Brazilian. Dossie says it's not because they're advocates for slavery, but that it's an homage to their forefathers who left the South in opposition to the nation America was becoming.

And that's it for this week's episode of America in Pursuit.

“If you want to hear more stories about Americans leaving the country and pursuit of a different”

way of life, check out the full length episode of throughline called American exile. And be sure to join us for a new episode next week. There was no such thing as a national Ojibwe identity. So, there was no such thing as a Ojibwe nation. When we travel to the Great Lakes Region in Minnesota

“to explore how and why he Ojibwe peoples became a nation within a nation. In the face of an”

expanding United States. That story next week. Don't miss it. This episode was produced by Kiana Mogadam, an edited by Christina Kim,

with help from the throughline production team. Music as always by Romteen and his band,

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