TJG: Summer House S10 E8 + Your Daily SH Updates!

- Welcome back to Two Judging Girls.

This is Mary from The Bay.

“And it's Courtney from LA, and let's just start off.”

Don't think it was an April Fool's joke. (laughs) It definitely was not an April Fool's joke. It's the real deal. And the amount of content and information

that is coming out is rapid, it's fast. We are on it, though. I'm so dedicated right now, you guys. There's a major construction happening outside my home. I'm inside a closet right now to give you optimal sound

because we gotta go through it all. It's fucking nuts. It's been, let's just say, it's been about 24 hours

since the official joint statement came out.

And now it's just kind of the repercussions, the cast chiming in, other shows chiming in, celebrities chiming in, everything has been going on. And it's a whirlwind and to be honest,

“and I'm gonna say this once and then I will remove myself”

from it, but I understand that they made bad decisions both Western Amanda, but I do hope that they are actually are, okay, absolutely, of course. And I wanna just state that because I can only imagine, I just think back to like, scandal and how crazy

all that was. And like, at the end of the day, it's these relationships and they've done betrayal and made stupid decisions, but we just wanna make sure that, in general,

where we are thinking about people like mental health

and well-being. Stayed at that. Let's go into everything that has happened since the joint statement of yesterday. All of the cast has chimed in, what have you seen?

Okay, so I feel like the needa kind of kicked it off. And she did a story that says, "Imagine making a statement, hard launching a quote-unquote connection and not even considering apologizing

to the person you heard, but I guess that tracks." And then she posted a photo of Sierra and just wrote like, "Love you." Then Cajay starts, and he goes, "I love my big sister for life."

And it's like the three of them, Mia. Then Mia puts up this gorge photo of Sierra in the white. It's like, she looks stunning.

“I believe it's from the Victoria Secret Show, okay?”

Then Rod posts the photo with him and Madison at the author party and his hand on his mouth, just like, "Oh my God, so much is happening." Then Jesse Solomon entered the chat. And he has a photo of himself just looking down like,

"Ah!" And it started thinking because you said that gag ordering yesterday and I'm like, "Is this the way they are saying nothing, but everything is just in the photo?"

Absolutely, absolutely. I think on Sunday when they did those reaction photos to that was happening, yeah. Then Lindsay Hubbard posted a photo of someone and writes the new publicist's question mark.

Not someone, it's Alex from Love's Blind, the most recent season, got it. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, yeah. And then Charlie enters the chat from Southern term, which I'm like, Charlie, that wasn't really you.

Like, have you been met these people exactly? It felt weird, Danielle enters the chat, which felt, that feels real. Okay, then Dave Portnoi enters the chat, which I thought was super interesting.

And he's like, "This is old news. Brianna Chicken fry told me this at Super Bowl." And my wheels start turning. Courtney and I were literally on the boat with not just us, Kyle too, having the time of our lives like blast.

We get off that boat, the two of them think as thieves go into the Super Bowl together, they go and they meet up with Sierra. And I was kind of like, maybe something's going on with Sierra and West after the Super Bowl.

That was kind of crossed my mind. Little did we know. Okay, I was texting with Sam from Bravo Historian a couple of days ago. And she had mentioned something about how West and Amanda were hanging out, kind of with the influencer group and Brianna Chicken fry.

And so then I jokingly said, you know, "Did it Brianna Chicken fry hook up with that guy, Aiden, that Amanda was potentially hooking up with in that circle?"

I just said that as a joke.

And then when this Dave Portnoi thing came out, I was like, "Wait, it was kind of right on that." She posted a TikTok being like, "If anyone's near Dave Portnoi right now, please take away his phone."

And I'm like, "She's a goss. Don't tell her any secrets 'cause she's gonna tell them." KJ also posted a screenshot of a song that was called The Back Stabbers. They are not playing with Sierra.

Mia has unfollowed Amanda and West. KJ has unfollowed them both. Ben has unfollowed Amanda, not West. Boston Rob posted a photo team Sierra.

Jesse Solomon actually did something very funny.

He posted a mugshot of Justin Timberlake and said this is going to ruin the tour, what tour, like West and Amanda, to Jesse. And then he links out his tickets for his tour, which is made me laugh and maybe I will go buy it.

But now there's also a drama too, Mary, because people are saying, and by people, I mean, Zach from the Valley has said, "Oh, somebody I know, maybe as cousin or someone that's tangentially related to him, ran into Jesse in Miami a couple of weeks ago,

and Jesse said that West and Amanda were hooking up, but told everyone."

“So then it goes to ask, "How long have people known?”

Where were suspicions? Is Jesse the Tom Schwartz of the Scandival here? Knowing that? People are then questioning the timeline. When Jesse was saying he wanted to hook up with Sierra,

was that like a Tom Schwartz making out with Raquel in Mexico? People are trying to find all these different parallels. I'm still on the path that they did not hook up until earlier this year. I don't think it was happening last summer.

I don't think it was happening over the summer. I don't know exactly when, but this is reminding me of a DM we got of Jesse was in Mexico and had said a bunch of shit to some girls, like the Amanda West rumors is real. And we were like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Well, I joke because the amount of DMs we get about things that are happening,

but we've always said, especially when it comes to cheating or random hookups,

we're not investigated journalists. We're just like, "Oh, that's interesting." And then we're usually like, "We can't believe, oh my god, Mary."

“You guys, I have my aura picture frame, which doesn't digital pictures, you know?”

Right now it's the photo of us with Kyle at West. It's like it knew. It's haunting us. Oh my god, little did we know what was going on behind the scenes there? Yes, we got a DM about that. We got a DM around when that first doom wall room we're popped up to. That was like, "Oh yeah, this is true.

Seerable, well, connection." And I was like, "No, it can't be." Like, this is so crazy because we keep thinking, there's no way after people who have seen scanned a wall, we've had a fallout and come from the bottom and gotten back up to the top. There's no way they would do this again. So many people talked about this yesterday.

Rihanna's unfollowing Amanda, then John Hamm was on watch what happens live because he's promoting friends with neighbors on Apple. And Seer interviewed him on the red carpet the night before. And they have this moment on the red carpet and she, it's like how you do it. And she's like, "I've been better." John Hamm just goes, "Team Seera."

It's just so wild, like, this A list celebrity on a John Hamm. Just think it's crazy when the levels it's reached. But Rihanna also doesn't follow Seera, so I need her to start following Seera. The John Hamm thing, how do I even know if he's like a summer house fan, but he has that connection with West, they're all from Missouri.

“And I think in like this world of craziness and darkness and things that we like are constantly going through”

is when you have this sort of scandal, it grew through United's community. I'm thinking Carl and Lindsay are about to be beat at that while they connect over this because nothing brings people together quite like a common enemy. The amount of texts I got on my personal phone yesterday from like, some girl from high school texts to me, I love you Melissa.

Like, I haven't talked to her in a super long time. I think she texted me after I had Charlie and she's like, "How's Charlie?" And holy shit, what is going on? But like, I got so many funny text messages from people I haven't talked to in quite some time, which I loved, just like, "What do you know?" I'm like, "I know as much as you do."

We don't have any insider scoop. We are just seeing what's coming out. We watched the episodes too and you start to try to figure out things. Again, I don't think that there was anything happening last summer. Summerhouse is such an interesting show, comparative to other shows because they really do live

together over the weekends. And so they have this really close-knit bond with each other. And I think they actually hang out with each other outside the show. And so when you watch it, could there have been this emotional relationship

You're watching Kyle Treat Amanda Terribly?

“You have this weird defense over her? Everyone's just really in each other's business?”

And it's like, their friends, they are close.

And West probably for Amanda, you said they basically have to get married.

But I might, "I can't see this being anything more than the rebound you do to get over your divorce." But then it's coming out all of these people that West is potentially dating, including Sierra. So this us weekly article comes out yesterday and a source says that part of the reason Sierra's so upset is because over the past few months they started casually dating again to see if there was anything there and that they might have recently hooked up

so this is still something. But at their casually dating, then I think the Super Bowl, like you said, where they're sitting together, was there more there? What's going on there? Then to come to find out he's apparently been exclusive for, with somebody for two years, her name is Mayja. I want to say she made the horse hair tie. He was wearing on watch what

happens live and she captioned something. She was at the No King's March on Saturday. I was like,

fighting against all men with small hands, no moral compass and loser tendencies. What did the cast find out?

“I think Jesse Solomon's Known for some time. Think so. More so than other people or is this?”

Okay. Yeah. I think Jesse Solomon has known for some time, West confided in him. See, it's funny. I don't really think they're that close to friends outside of the show. I think they have a bond of coming on the show together. I think they have, you know, we'll stay in the same room and their guys and whatever. I feel like they don't hang out that often without other cast members present.

I think West needed to get this off his chest and he told Jesse Solomon, I don't think Jesse Solomon out of it or anything like that. I mean, do you all out of it? I mean, he could have he's telling people and Miami's, tell him, "Cabo." But that actually begs me to ask the question. The person who said that they were exclusive, what is the story he is telling you then? Because West has been for the streets and I'm not

blaming her. I'm literally asking the question. It's like, is he just saying, "Oh, no, no." Because then there's also this person and this person had DMed us, too. And then also like, DMed Dumoan that Dumoan posted it. This is like the funny thing I'm thinking about where he's she was like, "I was literally in an elevator over St. Patrick's Day weekend. West was with another girl. I'm not saying they hooked up, but it seemed like they were very comfortable with each other."

And then there's this other account that's like, "Actually, Amanda and West are really serious." And over St. Patrick's Day weekend, they came out as an official relationship to his parents. I'm like, "So was he in Chicago or was he in Missouri?" Like, "What are these accounts?" There were photos on stories of West Wilson in Chicago on St. Patrick's Day. So he was definitely in Chicago. I did not see Amanda in any of those. I feel like all these things are coming out.

And then it's like, "Oh, no, he was actually sleeping with this person and he was sleeping with this person and he was with this person." I was like, "His roster must be insane then for all of these people that he is casually hooking up with." Right. I also feel like he hasn't told one of them were exclusively dating or anything like that. He's been non-committal, like you said, being in the streets. But has he with this woman who said that they've been together for two

“years? That's why I'm like, "What is the story he's telling her?" I'm just a friendly guy. No,”

no, no, these are all my friends. Nothing's going on. This is crazy because you say,

"Oh, God, I'm so upset. I'm disappointed because he's always been so nice and you took

him at face value." And then you hear this, you're like, "Die, a ball of gold." This is not shock me, though. I'm not surprised that he probably has a roster of 10 that he could call it any moment and hook up with. That's shocking to you. The roster's not the exclusive relationship is, and that would bum me out if you thought you were exclusive with someone for two years that come to find out. You've watched Summer House as he's saying, "Oh, no, no, no, this is just for a storyline."

Don't even worry about it. This is nothing. What are the stories he's saying? And then I have to think of this, too, is how are you keeping track of the lies that you're telling people because I have to assume it gets more difficult, the more people you add to your roster? So I don't believe that he was exclusive for this person for two years. I don't believe that at all. Okay. I don't think he has anything to hide, and that is his loophole. He doesn't even have to live.

I think he has literally been very, very honest about this. This is why him and Sierra did not work out, because she wanted to be in an exclusive relationship and he didn't. So I don't think it lies to be honest. This is probably why him and Amanda will work out, because there is a situation ship doing a joint statement. I think the worst part about this

you know, TMZ came up with these articles, and it was like Kyle kept asking them, "Is there

“something going on? Is there something going on?" Like if there's something going on, just tell me”

and they're lying to him, right? And so it becomes this, I actually maybe don't even care that the two of you have hooked up, because if you're saying it's really nothing and Amanda's moving on from Kyle, West is for the streets, and you guys are just friendly fucking, I guess. I don't know, but if you were honest with that, the blowback would probably be less. It's the betrayal aspect of it and the amount of lying that you're doing, and then I have to question two,

is when did the cast start getting suspicious? There's rumors that Sierra started getting suspicious because Amanda turned off her location, which I don't know how you feel about that.

I told you guys, never give out your locations. I've warned you. This is the exact moment.

Shay has also, by the way, jumped in, and someone was like, "We need Sheen, and I thought about the locations, and when she was noticing things, and like, where Cali turned off her locations, and Sheen has said, "Don't worry, I put a fresh set on in case I need to get involved, talking about her nails." So you did punch her? After all this time, are you actually admitting that you finally did do something? You're telling on yourself, but that's okay. When did they start

to really realize something was going on? There's this thread that Sierra posted on February 13th, and I can't stop thinking about it because nobody really knew what she was talking about. It was relatively general, but what she said was, girls that move weird make my fucking skin crawl, and around that time, people started noticing she wasn't necessarily interacting with Amanda's content. She doesn't follow Amanda patrol a swim anymore. When did the cast start to realize

something was going on? And even though Amanda and Wes kept lying and denying, were they like, everyone's starting to move weird? Everything's going weird, and were they just

suspecting? Like, when Jesse said, "Oh, yeah, it's happening, is it because they all basically

figured out it was happening?" And we're just waiting for the two of them to admit to it, or did they know months ahead? Yeah, my belief is that Jesse is known for quite some time. But what's quite some time? Because when do you think it really started? You think it started like the beginning of this year? Because now it's sounding like it was not the snow weekend.

“I think it's earlier than the snow weekend now. I don't know when, but I think Jesse Solomon's”

been holding on to this for a while. So then does he shoulder some of this secrecy the way that people talked about Schwartz knowing? No, no. To be honest, I think Jesse was probably caught in a really hard situation. And it's he probably knew that this was going to come to the surface. And if I was Jesse, I don't think I would have said anything. Because it's just not his secret to tell exactly. Like he knows what's going to happen. But then he was telling people, Mary, we have like

health. He was telling people. I don't know how to describe it besides like insane crazy. You know, after Super Bowl 2, there was this spotting of Amanda and West together in Miami. And so it was like was part of the fun. The fact that they got to hide and be secret and have the feeling without anybody knowing. And so then it's like we're not really serious if we're just fucking around. But there's this fun little secret we're cheating, but we're not. Oh, there is definitely something fun

“about having to keep a secret and be mysterious. And like when is it going to happen again?”

Are we going to be naughty enough to do it again? You know, there's all these factors. And then I think about it, too, is Brianna chicken fry new. And she's the one who is telling Dave Portoy, who else in that group knew? Were they all covering when the rumors of her and eight and we're going around was that to cover for West? There's this random technique that I saw too. This person doing this like muck bang and West and Amanda in the background. And the girls in front, she's putting

like ranch on whatever she's eating. And she at one point, they're talking in the background. But she holds the bite up, but then she puts her hand up. And you know how people put their hand up and show you what's in front of it. Just to give you kind of a background. But it was almost like she was blocking them. Oh, were you guys keeping the secret? Was this an open secret that everyone knew but nobody talked about with each other? Well, think about it. Would you want to be the

person that's going around running your mouth about this? Like, I would not want to be involved. No, I wouldn't want to be involved at all either because as like scandal, I feel like the details were coming out about that. Like, we were getting up to the minute news because Ariana was like burn it down, burn it down. I want to know everything. But now all of this that's happening because the gag orders there, the reunion is supposedly filming on April 15th. At the end of the day,

Amanda could retire from reality TV? I do think she could. I think West cares more about

his reputation and being in the spotlight and his career more so than Amanda does. And I wonder, if Amanda doesn't show up, she already has a season of in the city. If the demand for Amanda

“comes through there, could she show up to the in the city reunion and not the summer house reunion?”

They both have to show up. I mean, they have to face the consequences. They have to face the reality. Also, in some way, wouldn't you want to just get that over with because you're being burned right now? Not even that they're going to be able to explain their way out of it, but just say what actually happened. And what they should say is literally, we were hanging out one night. We

drank way too much. We made a really poor choice and then it kept happening again. We kept making

that poor choice. And now it's done. And we didn't even realize how much it has affected everyone. And there is nothing we can do now, but say sorry. And that's it. I think you're right that they do need to face this head on. I think they need to have their story straight. I think they either need to decide too. It's like, I know I don't know because I don't know these people personally. But I would assume that West doesn't want to be in a serious relationship. I would think Amanda

would want a hot girl summer, but unclear. But I just think that statement was so red as so we got caught. And we were going around. And we are good friends who like to make like, I feel like West's roster is good friends he likes to bang. I don't mean that as like an

“insult. Like I think he probably has good relationships with all these people that he hangs out with.”

I think whenever you go out with West, you have the best time. You have a good end of the night too. And then he has a really good way of charming you to make sure that you guys are friendly and you're chill. And he probably tells you exactly what it is. Like this was fun. We should hang out again soon. By the way, I'm not looking for anything serious. I mean, it's just truly wild that this guy has caused so much drama. And it's not because of his looks. It's all because of his personality.

Wait, I think it is part of his looks. Oh, I disagree. I think it's because he is charming. He's charismatic. He works a room. He makes you feel very special. He's smart. Like I think that there's something like his charm makes him more attractive. I think he has decent

“style. He wants second place in March, man. This. But I think it's more of a personality thing.”

I, oh, the personality helps. But he's not ugly. No, no, no, no. I also find it really funny. There's this meme going around because Kyle at the dinner last weekend. He is wearing the, like, you know, scarf.

This scarf in West always wears those scarves. And I just mean me hackle.

Um, there's like a side by side of them both wearing the scarves. Also, whoever said that Kyle Cook should be the next Roxy Heart on Chicago. He giggle. I giggled. Kyle Cook. Roxy Heart. An old jazz. Okay, here's a question I have for you. How many times do you think that the summer house cast has had to charge their phones within the last 24 hours? Oh, it's, it's definitely not making

it 24 hours. Yeah, twice twice per day. That's it. How fast is your phone? Oh, I think the amount of texts. Think about the amount of text that came into you and you're not even in such a house. Think about all the people, your publicists, every publication, the people that you haven't talked to in years asking like, what's going on? I mean, where you guys right now we're also doing the hot hall of fame. And when we posted it yesterday, the joint statement had not come out. And

both of us were like, do we even still do this anymore? Nobody cares about this. And Carl responded. And he said, I'm so sorry. I didn't repost the one with Craig. It's been kind of busy over here. I was like, Carl, you don't have to respond. Like, oh my god. And then I was like, hope you guys are all okay. It's so crazy. What do you think West and Amanda are doing right now? Are they together? I think it's funny. We heard all that corona del bar stuff. I don't believe anything unless I

see photos. Well, so there was a photo of West and the Delta lounge at LAX today. Okay. I actually really did not like the photo that circulated yesterday of Sierra on the ground in that man,

it was all invasive. Yeah. So when I spent that to us, that exact photo someone had sent to us and was like, you know, my friend just was walking by and spotted Sierra. And I was like, oh my god, I'm so sad. And then when I saw them page six, it felt yucky to be fair. She wasn't front of an airmez store. So chic. I'm guessing Amanda's going to repair its house in Jersey for some time. God, I'm so curious what they're doing. And like, is it a we, the amount of times they said that in

their statement, is it a we against everyone? Is anybody from the house walking to them? I mean, we've got so many unfollows. I feel like Lindsay is like doing this like empowerment. Let's find you like the hottest dress for the reunion. Amanda got dropped from her collab already with Edy Parker. Those photos were so hot that they were posted yesterday. I know. That's just going to keep happening right now. I also, I feel like West, he isn't selfish per se, but he's going to make sure

that he wants to do what he wants to do. Like if Amanda was saying right now, okay, we got to do this together. We got to go into the reunion together. I feel like he could almost blind side Amanda in some way say something to her face and say something different at the reunion. I don't think that Amanda is taking initiative in being the alpha of what they need to be doing

“right now. I think Kyle has done a lot of that for her of making these decisions. Amanda's always”

been a beta, not as an insulting way, just says, you know, let somebody else take control. So I'd actually say she'd probably follow whatever West says we should do. But then in this situation, since she kind of has more experience having to put out statements or joint statement with Kyle,

72 days ago, 72. Two joint statements in one year, first quarter. So then it makes me think,

is she the one with more experience in this area, and she has to take it on? I mean, I hope that they've hired crisis PR at this point. I also keep on thinking about West's podcast and, like, his co-hosts, is she just like, what the fuck? Just scream me. And then she's not, I'm not worried about it. I do want to know the statements that they're preparing for the reunion. I think that they have to, as you said, think they have to come with their tail between their legs,

somewhat take the cast beating from everyone. I don't want Lindsay to get too activated. I think obviously everybody's going to be very protective of Sierra. We do have to think about Kyle.

“I like I said yesterday. This is the best thing that happened for Kyle. Oh, my God.”

Everyone's like, like I said, let's buy lover boys. Did color a dumb fucking bitch last week? But, okay, sure. But I think it's like going into the reunion, everyone just has to show

disappointment. Disappointment always goes so much further than the anger. I don't think that Sierra

really needs to say too much besides being like, I can't believe you both would do this to me. The level of betrayal hurts worse than anything else. Is there any world that she could get through the reunion without even shedding one tear? I would love that for her. She's already had to be in a reunion where she got so upset about this whole thing. His first reunion was a terrible showing. Like, he's already gone through it. He's lucky that Paige isn't on the cast right now.

Andy, yesterday asks, hey guys, summer house reunion coming up. Anybody got any questions? Like, Andy, the common section on that, you guys, is hysterical. Mary Kate from Georgia asks, Wes, did you ask Kyle for permission to explore relationship with Amanda like Jesse showed the same courtesy to you about kissing Sierra? Question mark? That is a great question and I mean, he's going to get raked over the calls for this. Okay, just an update that the talk of shame

just posted, Kiki Monique. She posted that Jesse denied knowing about West and Amanda's trust. I heard the rumors, but they were denied to me multiple times, which then begs me to ask.

“If people were talking about it with him on different trips, was he talking about the rumors of it?”

It might have been when that first thing happened and he was like, I don't know, like, maybe

there's something to it. They've denied it. You're like, you weirdly do. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. But, you know, Kim from Knoxville, Tennessee asks, Kyle, if Amanda and Wes are getting married, are you willing to DJ their wedding? Hey, God. I just don't even know how we address things

Should we take a break and talk about the episode?

Okay. So we're back at the old people party and it's really just hard to focus on anything, because all I'm thinking about is the joint statement. The party looks like a blast. I mean, KJ, he's doing water robex. People are like, let's take shots and they're saying insulin. I thought it was hysterical that Lindsay's like, I am looking to be a sugar baby. I am looking for someone rich. Nice shoes. Great. Great watches. And then it just made me think, are you curious to know more

about Lindsay and her baby daddy? She mentioned something about like the last two times I was in love. And I just feel like we know nothing about Turner. I don't care about that at all. I like that

“Lindsay has gotten what she wanted on her timeline. And now I think she's living her best life.”

I love this sugar baby idea. I mean, she calls over a man that she thinks he might be rich.

And it turns out he's friends with Carl. And she's like, why did you open with that? Because he is off limits. Off limits. No, I don't. I don't need to know anything about Turner. I think because they're not together, it would make me wonder if they were together. What don't we know about him? I'm getting a little bit worried because I don't think she's allowed to share that much of her life right now. So I'm hoping for the city. She's able to share more because right now, I'm kind of getting

sick of her trying to like ruffle the feathers within the house and like move the story. I just don't think it's like very necessary out of all the episodes. The one focused on Lindsay doing a housewarming party. And you don't think she's sharing her life. I was wondering what her apartment really looked like. It's absolutely stunning. There's like Lindsay's an adult. She's got the piano. She's hired someone to play. She's got this bartender. She has all these like past apps. I feel like

all the younger cast came in and we're like, oh no adults. Carl, having to go to this home.

“I think too. I think he wanted to. I feel like he's very happy for her. And him,”

break a nice and his trash can and the bathroom had me giggling. But I thought it was very sweet. He brings her wine. And she's like, is this the alcohol kind? And he brings gemma book. And I just

don't like that she always wants to make him feel uncomfortable. He genuinely is happy for her and

wants to be friends and wants to be cool. But she tries to have a moment with him every single time. And kind of sick of it. Tell me this. If you had cameras and you're fiance at the time, broke up with you on camera and embarrassed you on camera. Would you ever take your foot off their neck? Well, you know where I lies. So if I were her, I'm like, I'm going to a job at him all the time because he did that to me on camera. Well, she sure does. But I think that they're in a good

place now. Like I said, I think that this scandal is going to bring them closer together. And I

“think that Carl, he's in a good place. I think Lindsay's in a good place. And I think to a certain point”

is like after this season, I also don't think that Lindsay can do that anymore. This is like the last season. She's come back. She's not pregnant. She's living her single life. She's allowed to do this once more. And because he's not giving it back, it's going to look bad to continue to do. So it's like, you get one last summer. Let's talk Carl and Kyle at the party about love or boy. I thought I was really interesting to know that this was a 90 minute conversation

and at the end of it, Kyle is flipping the script and playing the victim. I love one Carl said that in his confessional. He's like, I just feel so weird after this conversation. I opened my heart up to him and said it really hurt my feelings that you didn't invest in so far. I know I didn't give you that much money. But I would have liked to see you do something and Kyle's just like, well, my wallets, it wouldn't wait you deep with love or boy. So I can't

do that and just like, makes it about himself. Do you think Kyle's birthday party was the right calm time to have this combo, though? I mean, Kyle's wasted. I don't know that I would have this combo at this birthday party for him. Obviously, I think Carl should have the conversation with them at the party. I don't think was the right moment. You can tell to from this as Kyle just like under so much stress because the next day too, when they're all eating breakfast and everyone's

talking about the houses, which shout out to Sierra and he's like, well, the deposit went into love or boy and Amanda's like, I was literally kidding, Kyle. The weight of the world is on his shoulder. You know, so many people have the weight on the world on their shoulders. We've got maridith. We have

of lover boy unless he gets another partner in Carl's like, man, I'm so sorry. Worst case scenario

if lover boy doesn't make it, like at least you'll still have each other, right? Kyle's just like, I don't know. And then Carl, though, in his confessionals, like, I really wish Bailey was here because it'd be nice to have somebody to talk to about this that you like. And that TikTok that came out last weekend, they were holding hands. It was like, I guess I'll stomp, you know, dusty Solomon that I was like, are they trying to insinuate that they're together because I don't

believe that they're together? I don't think they're together. I think they could be a cute match. I don't think it's actually really happening. I think we're getting a little bit played. Let's talk about Sierra, Mia, and Lindsay because we've got to talk about Kyle and lover boy and Kyle

is told West and he's told Ben that he's personally on the line for three million dollars. And

that's clearly putting a lot of stress on him. And Sierra's like, so I don't care. That doesn't mean you could talk to your wife like that. And now because there's no prenapped with them, like, Amanda's going to be on the hook and like, did we not learn from Vanderpuff rules? Amanda's no idea about their finances. Like Amanda does live in a land of I'm going to let him do everything.

“He's the business guy. He knows what he's doing. But if you're also affected, you should just be”

aware. I also feel like she is already not even involved in lover boy. And I don't think she's going to be on the hook from it because Kyle's like, I'm not going to make you pay for it, lover boy. I think they've already sorted that out in the divorce. I would love to know too from like

a married perspective that if Kyle took out a three million dollar loan on his own,

Amanda would be on the hook for that. I know when sand of all on Ariana, they took like a heloc on their house. And so it was a house that they were both on the deed for that she became partially on the hook for that. But if he's taking out a personal loan under the name of Kyle Cook, is she responsible for that in a divorce? That just sounds crazy. So then Lindsey's like, gotta move the storyline along. Amanda, get over here. Sierra, do you want to tell her about the

“stuff that you found out about today? That's why Lindsey's annoying me so much. You're watching”

it with a different lens. Now I think too. And like, I just love that Sierra, this is why this is painful, guys. As when you watch the friendship between Sierra and Amanda, regardless of they were best friends, they were very close. There's a level of closeness, a level of comfort, and Sierra is saying, hello, you cannot be miserable in order to make Kyle happy. Like my parents got divorced for the same reasons. Maybe he needs a break from you. You need space too.

You can stay with me. What a coworker, not a close friend, right? It's at the level of betrayal that comes from this is because of, oh my god, look how much I was willing to give to you as my friend. I just kept thinking, what if we don't even know this? But Amanda did stay with Sierra for some time. Like, we don't know that that didn't happen. She's clearly offering it. Oh my god, Dana, and then when we have West talking to Kyle, it's so crazy that the people involved

right now are West talking to Kyle, coaching him, how to help things with Amanda. And then on the other side of it, it's Sierra doing this to Amanda, trying to help both of them, like, this is, it's crazy. Let's take a break and come back and talk the West Kyle situation. West is like, do you remember last night? And Kyle's just like, I don't know what triggered me. And West is like, so nothing did, because you're just an asshole, okay? And Kyle's like, okay,

everything's falling apart. Well, tell her that. Go talk to Amanda, say you feel bad,

“you need to make up with her. Everything you're telling us, go tell it to Amanda. We don't care.”

We're on your team. We want you guys to get better. We want you guys to figure out your relationship. We are all rooting for you. Don't make me have to take care of her in secrecy behind your back, Kyle. God, just say, I'm sorry. Kyle's confessional. This was beyond strange. Oh, far after is this. I feel like this was like in the fall, this confessional. I mean, if they really met well, they would say, don't give us all the attention and be flirty. Like, maybe Amanda,

you should give your husband some attention. And I thought, one, what a weird way again to be the

was like, whoa, like spotlight. Do you see the word flirty? Did you ever think that they were flirty?

“Well, I think they all jokingly innocently. Well, maybe not so many, but innocently flirt with each other.”

They all are like touchy feeling with each other. They all live together. They're in this house. Like, again, I don't know what the timeline is, but I'm going with that. It was later. I think that they all have these emotional relationships with each other just because of the way that they're in this house together. That they all are jokingly flirty with each other. And because Amanda was like the married one,

it never crossed a line. Just use to leave all of those ridiculous comments on her Instagram,

right? And Lexus is like, could you not? Like, I think that they all cross a line, but it's like, it's innocent until now. Until now. Until now. Oh, okay. Then Kyle is trying to go out in his old man costume. And Amanda is like, you cannot go out in this prosthetics. Like, just let go. That would have been the best. It would have been the classic. But Amanda is trying to take off his makeup. She's like straddling him. She is grabbing his face with a level of hatred, though.

And Kyle's just twisting this situation. I wish that you would love me. And Amanda says, maybe if you were a little bit nicer, that would make it a little bit easier. And Kyle explains we are just going through so much. I feel like we're in trouble right now. And he says,

“I'm sorry about last night. Why wasn't that the first thing that you said to me this morning?”

You were basically told to apologize. You know, let's just talk sober about this. Let's go to bed.

And then they go to sleep. Meanwhile, you see Kasia and Dera, like, coddling so sweet. And he's like, thank you for being so beautiful on the inside and the out. Like the juxtaposition between the two is a lot. Mia and Sierra, they also don't go out. And they're talking in the bed and they're like, I hope they don't start fighting tonight, referencing Kyle and Amanda. And it's just like everyone in that house knew how terrible

everything was because they're also wondering, is Amanda going to bring it up? Don't talk to Kyle wasted right now. They'll come back from going out. And they keep flashing back to Kyle and Amanda's room and kind of Amanda's laying, they're scrolling on her phone. And so it's almost like they're trying to insinuate that she's listening to this conversation happening at the late night dinner table. They're having, but you know, Carl, he's telling them like, I'm worried about lover boy. I feel like

Kyle really knew this was the end of their relationship. And this is why he's so worried and spinning out the next morning when Amanda and Kyle finally sit down. I think production made them talk about this. I think Mary, I was like, they had to do this on camera production till they had to soberly talk on camera that they weren't allowed to go another week and do this shit. I think they weren't allowed to leave the house until they had this conversation. Right. Kyle looks so anxious

when he's about to sit down for this conversation. He's like, can I have a hug? And Amanda's just says, why did you wait till last night to finally say sorry? And he's like, I just had to like process everything I needed time. I don't know what got into me. I don't know why. I said that. I said it because I'm an asshole and I don't feel like you want to be with me. Well, she's like, well, we're in a weird place. You said fuck you the beginning of the summer. You've were mean to me the way you speak to me, the things you say to me.

That's the issue. Like, I am feeling disrespected constantly. The fact that Kyle also was like, yeah, I really got to figure out why I said that to you. And he keeps on apologizing and he's just realized as we are in really troubled water. And what are we going to do about this? And she makes very valid points. She says, I have stuck with you through a second then through rumors name calling and I can't put up with it anymore. I can't be treated this way. And I know you're stressed out

and you're at a breaking point, but this has to stop. And he flips the script because he tries to make it seem like he's the only one that's caring and it's going to make a change and wants to go to

“couples therapy. It's a big party tried couples therapy, too. That's what's crazy when he's”

saying, well, would you be interested that Kyle had literally asked to do that multiple times? I'm sure we'll probably see a scene of them in couples therapy where Kyle wears a pair of eyeglasses.

You know how I feel when these men go to therapy and they always put their glasses on?

Yeah, I'm very curious how much of the city they filmed before actually separated. I think we get the full separation in it. I think we go this my prediction. We spend September

right before BravoCon, she has moved out and they are living as separated couples trying to navigate

“how we tell people. The city is going to be short. I feel like eight episodes, maybe nine.”

Sure. They need to be picking cameras back up now for in the city. As we said yesterday, are they going to rework these storylines, too? Who is going to be part? Are we going to get

cameos from the summer house? Are they going to be clues? Is production in the editing team

going through the city footage right now to try to find information? We were told that cameras were

“going to pick up before the reunion. Now we're being told they're not and I wonder if that's”

because the reunion is going to be on the 15th that we're like, no, we're not going to do it.

It's live reactions. Everybody just needs to chat at the reunion. God, I would love to be on

these group chats. Please help me in these group chats. I'd also love to know too because there was a rumor that Amanda told Sierra, like a statement was going to come out. But when she actually found out, it's like there's just so many layers to this and every day more information keeps coming out and like Mary and I keep laughing like we got to update whatever this timeline is like who has said what? What is going on? I'm sure we missed tons of information just even talking

about it today. But it's like, we'll be back tomorrow. We're trying our best. We're doing it all. We're all trying our best to stay informed. I do also want to say and I talked about this on our Patreon too that I was like every year for April Fool's. Every year I put up that we've canceled a show and last week I was also before any of the set come out. I was like, I'll just do summer house because you know, there's all these like rumblings, whatever. I'll be like silly. Okay, I even

“had the post-prepared. A Mary texted me last night. I was like, so are you still going to do it?”

And I was like, I don't think the fandom could handle it right now. Like everyone is in shambles. I feel like the level of crazy that's going around of everyone wondering what's happening because it had been less than 24 hours. I said, I think it's called growth. I'm not going to do it. I think that was the smart choice. I respect your decision. Bye everybody. Bye.