Ep 1286 | The Awkward Question About Sex in Heaven Christians Never Ask

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Aldi. "Oh, just for all that." "I am on a change. What about you?" Welcome back to "Unasshain" and I'm happy to announce "back by popular demand thanks to Maddie, Lisa and Missy."

"Have stayed on." "We tried to leave." "We tried to leave because we had only scheduled, I have to admit, I was secretly hoping that the spirit might move us here today to for you guys to stay on another podcast.

Just because people love listening to you also much." And they need a break from us. And they need a break from us, yes. This has been a long week of podcasts. And we didn't think about it,

but as we were quantificating, mostly Lisa Missy, about mentorship that Maddie, we had our little 20-something right over here listening and was impacted by what you guys said. So she convinced you how to stay and keep this discussion going. Zach still with us as well.

That's the least I've talked in an episode in medium mood. So that's where we're going. I actually thought it was the best episode we've ever done. [laughter] I'm here to chase.

I don't have to care. Sometimes I get tired of hearing myself talk. That means I got all right. I do have to tell people this, that Jayce called me yesterday because if you've been listening

in the last week or so, we had a little altercation of him never telling me

that he loved me. And he literally, I walked out of the podcast studio yesterday when we recorded the phone rings. I pick it up, it's Jayce.

“I don't even remember what you asked me.”

It was about a podcast guest. It was the reason for that. Okay, yeah. But he ended with, I love you cousin. And it just, I tear it up, you know.

I know this is 80% sarcastic. But the 20% that was she's seen here, it was very, very meaningful. And I just want to tell you that it was very special. It's now on record.

It's on record. They had a moment. So don't give him a hard time for getting on to me. He did call me. I want you to know that if you listen.

He didn't call me. That is taken up for you babe. Yeah, absolutely. It's like puppies and rainbows. It's everything is good here.

This is the women wearing this funny. One is he knew that it was, he called it 80% or probably said 90%. Sorry, cast it. But it did come out of my mouth. He did say the words.

I would say the words. What's in your heart comes out of your mouth. I've said one time that the people that I make fun of, I really love. Yeah.

So you're welcome. You know what he said to me for years.

And I did never know if it was like,

if I could believe him or not, when I would ask him to do something or telling him to do something or whatever, he would say, I'm just here to make you happy. And I would stop. Are you being so happy for you?

Is that for real? Because I don't have time to figure it out right now. So anyway, go on until the next time he would say it. I'm like, he said, I'm just here to make you happy. I still really don't know.

I just wanted to ask you how many years have I said that? Men, men, men, men, men. We're talking about a year. Yeah. At some point, I want you to believe that.

You know what else is. He says, it's what I live for. Well, I don't know.

“I mean, that's what I'm going to process our cascades.”

Because she'll say something like, hey, do you want to go? Well, it would be something you would ask me to do that you know. Do you want to go with me to Dillards?

I would never even think about that.

Well, of course I'm not going to go. But I was saying, that's my line back when she knows the circus. It's what I live for. It's what I live for. Maybe you ladies could interpret Gilles.

She's not here to defend herself. She says this to me. She says, hey, I'm going to let you. And then she fills in the, how am I let you put root to better? How am I let you put up the boys?

How am I let you? I'm going to let you. I'm like, what is that? You let me go. You just say, thank you. She gives me a task.

And then she let me do what you do. What you should be doing. That's what I want to try. I don't like it.

“I think probably 31, 25 said she can laugh at the days to come.”

Yeah. Or in the case of going to, where was that color? It's a department store.

It's where Dave Ramsey lives. When I thought he had me there. No, when she said, "Dillard, I know a guy named Jim Dillard. He fished and saw I thought." I would.

Is he open the store? Yeah. No. Okay. I missed out.

That's pretty funny.

But now dad used to say, we're going to, he would always say,

I mean, get a sense of humor. Go to Walmart and buy us. I'll see you in the first night. When you left out for crying out loud. For crying out loud.

See, he did have a few good marriage. So I'm doing Mr. Dad. I'm just going to say it.

“We just talked about this, Mr. I think yesterday when we were recording that how often we more now quoted on the podcast, because it's just like he's always front of mind.”

And I know a lot of you out there have told me that you love me in second jays, but you missed at it. No, none more than us. Yeah. His steadiness and always, you know, okay, it's not live over. Can we get to the Bible?

You know, like he would always say that. There's something to say about being a lightning rod in the form of a human. Yeah. Because he, my dad, he just see why he was a lightning rod. Yeah, and it produces a lot of thunder.

Yeah. And the older you got, the less the governor worked, it was just like he was going to tell you. I really missed him on the movie set the other day because the guy, I mean, he looked like a young feel. Yeah.

And I just did kind of channel back. I felt this. And I told him, I said, they said, we're sorry about your dad. And I said, thanks. And I said, you know, you're just going about your life.

And then all of a sudden, it's like, oh, I missed feel. You know? So I want to keep talking with a Maddie as I asked that we, that I give the respectable side as well, which I will and a little bit. But since now we've got more time, I want to get your take some on the on the proper stuff. Well, because you do that.

Well, Maddie was like, can y'all stay? I said, and you pointed out her age, which fits into the category that I said, these girls are driving from all over the country or flying, spend and money alone to come to lockdown, to meet me, to sit with me, whatever

my friends, but they're sleeping in a bed with other girls that they've never met before.

Who would do that? Would you, Maddie, would you do that? You would? Yeah. Wow.

So I would never do that. I would never do that. I would never do that. I would never do that. I agree.

I agree. Yeah. And be down the lowered. There is a void. There is a void.

They want to be, they want to be with mentors and then other women.

“And young, I think, young men are looking for something.”

It's also what it is because it's why the popularity of these retreats, men and women's retreats now are so big and popular. I mean, they're going out to camp and having this.

They're having basically adult camp for a weekend to have just what you're talking about.

Relationships, connection. And, you know, this thing's been, what about 10 years now? I guess, I mean, it's huge. They're like, they're all over our community. I guess they're all around the world, but they're certainly a lot of math.

But look, I remember even in high school. I mean, all my friends, they were, which I was following. Jesus, then. But it was a pattern. Okay.

You find a woman. You have sex with her. You break up. You repeat the process. Yeah.

You drink him between. It's like all my friends. That's what they were doing. Yeah. Well, then they get married.

And they're shocked that this pattern continues. It's like, you're valid. It's a covenant to do. The drugs.

“And I'm like, what did you think was going to happen?”

You're in a, uh, a had a great point. It's a series of events that are happening that is not the foundation and recipe for a successful marriage. Yeah. And then the whole thing explodes. And you're like, well, I don't understand what happened.

I just think that there's, there needs to be another way. And you get that from wisdom. Yeah. Well, and we were talking in the last podcast, too, about Lisa's path and how you found Jesus.

And it was not easy. We didn't go into detail. But you're testimony when you speak in front of people does go into detail. And mine was very easy. Yeah.

I was set up to learn about Jesus from a very early age. And I was in the safe and secure environment. And I was at a Christian school. And I was at our same church that we've been at entire lives. And so, but we can still both speak in to these 20 and 30 year olds because the message is the same.

Yeah. Jesus is there and has been there this entire time. Acts 17. He put us in the best place possible to set us up for success to find him. Although he's right here the whole time.

So I think that that's the what's so encouraging about the whole message.

It appeals to so many more women.

They're like, I don't want to live like that. Or I have lived like that. And Jesus is still for me. It's not I'm not too ashamed to ask for help. So I can feel like a big puzzle trying to fit all the pieces together.

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So was there anything out of out of those points that Lisa was kind of she just picked seven kind of things out of the text was there anything in that text that. Well, I haven't even what with your seven. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. A lovable respect.

Yeah. I mean, I I guess said in the last podcast. I've actually been every single part of this woman. But just not at the same time. Yeah, you know, and so, and my children have told me verbally how much they love me and how much they have been blessed by me.

Which, I mean, is there any other better goal to reach as a woman than that? I mean, I love that my husband arises, you know, and is is respected at the city gate. But when my children arise and have told me how much they love me and appreciate things that I've done for them. That's the ultimate to me. Yeah, I'll care about anything else evidently everything else that we've done in our home in the community.

Has been authentic and transparent because my children know our children know before in me body else exactly what's going on in the home. I'm going to test to it. Yeah, that's that it starts in the home. I think that's that we want to have. If you want to ministry, you think about a global ministry, even a regional ministry or in your city.

“That home life is honestly the most important part and and it's little things that you and I know you guys live this way as well.”

Jill does it and I stayed in both of your homes many times and there's little things that may not seem to be spiritual things, but they are.

Like that that lead for your home to be an open place like like there's always coffee there's always some food laying around there's always blankets on the couch.

It's you're it's opening up in that ministry of your home is so important and I feel that in time I go to blues and I typically stay at one of y'all's houses because I just feel more comfortable there. Yeah, and I feel at home or you know, I think you cultivate that environment and so this isn't like what I explicitly opening up the Bible and preaching whenever we have coffee like ready to drink and drink something. I mean, but those are things that set an expectation in an environment that I think are super important and just recently I had this thought.

The sheels got into this she orders wheat berries like it's the things she's into now and then she had she bought this little mill that she mills up her own flower and then she makes bread out of this it's like supposed to be healthy. I don't know if it's so I mean whatever, but I mean she's into it. And first I was kind of like, it's just like, well, why would we get on this stuff, you know, I mean, you got barrels of wheat berries sitting in the pantry now. What are you doing here? But the other morning I walked I thought I didn't walk in and she was making that bread and I smelled it and I was like, whoa.

I was like transported into another world like this is in a role model man like I just walked in my house and just immediately felt something like.

I mean, like it was like that kind of feeling and literally because she's taken this initiative to go through this process of making bread as opposed to going to get the package and wonder Brad just throwing it on the table. Two different experiences, right? And one set it environment in our home that literally on walk the end I was like, no to support us like, wow, that's that's part of that proverb 31 woman is that she is cultivating that type of atmosphere in her community in our home.

Well, I love him what you just described of the senses and there's obviously we have more than just one.

I mean, there's what we see what we smell what we taste and all of our experiences are then through those senses that they all mighty gave us. We're made in his image. I mean, when he became a man Jesus Christ, part of that was to experience the senses that he made in us. I mean, so that is powerful. I mean to smell the aroma of your home, you know.

“I think women, there's all different types of women and moms and wives, mothers, all that, not everybody seems like they have pride in doing that.”

Mine has grown over the years. I didn't start out wanting to do that. I was seemed like I was way too busy to do what what Jill has is taking pride in what that bread. I see brightened doing that with sourdough with homemade pie crust. You know, my mom case homemade pie crust recipes. She's doing that. I wish I would have had more time or the desire to do that at a younger age. But I feel like this age group, this 20 to 30s, they're wanting to do that in their home, which is fantastic. You know, because it does set a tone for your children and for your husband.

So even when it's just like the two of us, we came back from a couple of long weekends of speaking and I thought, I've got three pounds of 80, 20 meat in the freezer. I could make a meatloaf.

“And so, like, let me just go ahead and do that. And that's forget because I wasn't cooking for your parents really as much. Not only cooking for mine, that much, because they've got some other things set up.”

And nobody was home this week and we had a little man's son, but he's not going to eat meatloaf, you know. So, but there's something in it for me to want to do that.

I enjoy it too, but I've ever really cooked for myself, always cooked for whoever was in and around and, you know, staying at our house or whatever.

I feel like this is leading to how much I ate. Oh, well, I'm saying, I cooked a lot this week. We're nobody to be there, but Jayce has eaten it all. He's been working for two days. Then she made, she has a new recipe because I was going to say, you need to feel for that cleanup of your yard. When you said, you know, you wish it or done that, but it was worth the wait for me. And your mom does like a good meatloaf sandwich today. Well, the empty bowl was in the sink and I was like, what?

“And that was like day two, I think, of it, and I finished it off, and you were like, did you actually eat all that? What's all that? What kind of questions?”

I had one. He had seven and seven and twenty four hours. I just did the math, I was like, okay, okay, the math got mad. So I want you to read some, you didn't, we didn't get a chance to do because we were out of time the last podcast, but when we get to the end of this progress 31, you know, we tell the story in part of our story, we talked about Lisa in the backyard, but before that happened, my interrogation of our happened in our bathroom, because it was the furthest place away from the kids. And this was a hard, bad conversation. And so we were literally shut up in our bathroom at our last house.

And this is mirrors in there, you know, because this is the bathroom, it's a big mirrors. And so Lisa tells about looking in the mirror in the moment of now finally coming to truth and not recognizing who she saw a looking back at her.

Like, she's finally, was like, who are you? Well, you know, because in the moment of truth, you know, and so she does the thing here at the end. And I wanted to read it because it's so good.

I mean, in fact, she was like, we were the last time we spoke, she said, we don't have time for me to do the thing. I was like, no, we're doing the fact. I'll cut some of my stuff off.

So every day we look at ourselves in the mirror and we see ourselves aging as women because it was, this was the one about the beauty of sleep is fleeting and right, but for you.

“And whenever I look in the mirror, I don't remember being in a hail storm, but at some point in my life, I guess I was, because that's what I see is hail dance.”

I didn't even know what that meant. But my husband sees something different. When, when our looks at me, he chooses to see me differently, I think.

And you know, whatever he was 80 pounds overweight, I chose to see him differently. I never looked at him and said, oh, you, you know,

pig, you need to lose some weight. I mean, I never, in my heart, I never thought that because he's still the same person. Yeah, he's still my husband. But, but when I look in the mirror and I see myself through my husband's eyes, I see a helper, a soulmate, a faithful wife, a loving mother and grandmother. And when I see myself through my daughters, as I see a mom who will fight to the death for her kids, who mom, a mom who knows that my kids aren't perfect, but also know I'm not either.

And together, we work to help each other in this life to get to heaven. When I see myself through my grandkids eyes, it always makes me tear up.

“I see a maim, that's what they call me, maim, who loves them unconditionally, who will be by their side,”

cheering them on to heaven as long as I live. They see a maim they can always count on.

But when I see myself through my Savior's eyes, I see a broken vessel that has been mended by the blood of the cross. I see a child, his child, who has failed a lot, but who he has taken and refined by fire and redeemed for his glory. We both have been focused on health, getting healthy, with both lost weight. Yeah, I've needed to get healthier, definitely losing weight was part of that, but also deciding what I put in my body makes a big difference as well.

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There is a 100% satisfaction guarantee that's TexasSuperfood.com discount code on a chain. So that's the way she closes. It's just so powerful that idea that at one time you can look at yourself and not recognize who you are, but then when you see yourself through other people's eyes, once you've grown in Christ what that looks like.

So I just think that's always a powerful.

And she just wrote that one day and I was like that needs to be like the staple. That's the clothes every time because because people, you know, they see themselves only many times through their files and their mistakes. And through the shame and the guilt. And for so many years that was what was holding Lisa back.

She just couldn't give that to the Almighty. Like you said, Jayce, it was a lifestyle. In her case, not things that were done too her even when she was very young. That then created this firestorm of the evil ones opportunity to be a, you know, have her heart and he did for a long time until he didn't.

I wanted to share this. I mean, I'll do this quickly as I can. But because I mean, we're talking about relationships and marriages and all this. And you know, when Jesus brought this up in Matthew 19 about why people getting divorced for any and every reason.

And he just, he goes back to the beginning in quotes in Genesis where it says,

the creator made them male and female.

“And said for this reason, a mammal leave his father and mother and be united to his wife.”

And the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two but one. Therefore, what God has joined together let man not separate. And you know, we're just talking about all this but the beauty of this combination in the Lord. Become something that's very hard to even describe the awesomeness of what actually happens.

And so he didn't get into the little argument. He was just like, this is the ideal. This is the standard. But then in Jesus. That's for the exception. He gave him the standard. He gave him the standard. But then he goes on to say, It's okay to be single.

You know, when he gets divorced 12, he's like some people have renounced marriage for the kingdom of God.

And then here he is. He never was married.

But then he became the husband of the group of people. The church. Well, then he has illustration about little children coming up there. So you're all of a sudden you're putting all this together just in Matthew's mind.

“Because like what Missy just said, the greatest gift she's had in life was her kid saying,”

I love you mom. Good job. Yeah. And this is what I wanted to bring up. Well, then he, you know, has this encounter with the rich young man. And I just thought in marriage, you know, money is always a problem.

But just in life, there's more about money in here in the Gospels. It's been a potential problem. But it's something I never had noticed.

And chapter 19 at the end of that conversation with the rich young ruler in verse 28.

Write this down. Matthew 1928. This is only one of two times this word is used in the New Testament. And I'm going to read it. These are said to them. I tell you the truth at the renewal of all things. That phrase as a word sometimes translated regeneration.

It's only used twice. But it's a new birth. When the son of man sits on his gorestone, you who have followed me will also sit on the 12 thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel. I mean, you're going to be exalted.

So the other time that she uses Titus 35 where it says he saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal of the Holy Spirit. So this new birth. And here's the point I wanted to make. Because a couple chapters later,

here comes the sad just says and they're like, let's say a person is married this woman seven times. They bring up this obscure law. They're like, "At the resurrection, who will be her husband?"

And I mean, he basically called him stupid.

He said, "You're ignorant and stupid, because you don't know the power of God or the scriptures." And I said all that in that package to say this. When you think about how God designed us, husband and wife, one flesh, kids come,

think about that process of being born. And here he uses this word of this when all things are reborn. What that will be. Think about the transition. I mean, if you see a picture of me and my mother's woman

three or four weeks old and look at me now. You're like, "What happened?" And I'm with another human. And we're having more of these little humans. It is so we take it for granted,

but that birth process of getting here is a testimony to the power of God. And even when you look at the details, you're breathing liquid in your mom. And then all of a sudden you come out

and you're dumb of that. And you're now breathing air. I mean, if you breathe liquid now, you die. How does this even happen? So I'll set all that to say, this new birth

that I saw happen in Lisa's life. It was such a power of God that it was indescribable. And you could even foresee it. And you fast forward all the way into our resurrection, and this renewal of all things.

“I think we underestimate the power of God is my point.”

And such a good point. And think about the context of why he said that to the disciples. Because remember, the rich young ruler had just walked away sad.

And they all looked at each other and said, I mean, this is the best guy we know. They were looking at him like he was way better than them because they were like who then can be saved.

So Jesus is telling him, when you're reborn because you're heart trusting me, you can accomplish anything. You know, that's when you're exalted in that new birth. So they looked at him and they were looking at themselves like,

"Oh, this guy's way better than me." Well, I just felt like I need to say that could like these women, Missy's mentoring and these women you're talking to.

Always remember sitting there saying,

"I don't know what to do."

“And I think you're underestimating the power of God.”

Just what he can do in your life now is the equivalent of you pictured in your mother's womb at three weeks. And now, being 50 years old. We call it the miracle of birth. Yeah, it's a good framework for Proverbs 31 too,

because when you read Proverbs 31 about that woman, and I think Missy was kind of saying this earlier, but it's a really kind of a good pushback. I think people, why I've heard it taught too is like, "Here's the formula, what you're supposed to do."

And then you try to conjure up like this performative thing that this woman is.

And then you're like, "I can't be this woman."

You know, I think the framework that you read, it's a text and because if you read three Proverbs, there's pictures of other women and Proverbs, and you got to kind of look at the two different pictures.

“I was going to read two verses that give a picture of another type of woman,”

verses the proper 31 woman, and I want to wrap it up with what Jay said about the new birth. The other woman is called the forbidden woman. This is Proverbs 22. The mouth of a forbidden woman is a deep pit.

He with whom the Lord is angry will fall into it. And a proper 23, it's for a prostitute as a deep pit. And an adulterous as a narrow well. So you think about the imagery there. There's one type of woman, particularly around her.

I think this is around her sexuality. Her sexuality is a trap. And you fall into, so she's consuming men. They're falling into a deep well. So you would imagine this woman is like a black hole.

And she's just pulling in everything around her. That's, that's like, don't be like that. That's, that's not the picture. The picture of the Proverbs 31 woman is everything is going outward. She's creating life.

And so when you said, Miss, you talked about the joy of her children. Literally came for her sexuality. Let a joe, all our sexuality, it'll actually lead to more kids. Not inward. That's like an expanding of life. So that is, it's these two different pictures.

Are you consuming, or are you cultivating a garden?

“That's why it's a good framework to read it in.”

And I think it's worth a picture of a woman who cultivates a garden as opposed to a woman who's drawn men and things in to consume. Well, this woman, like when I said earlier that it was easy from Jesus was easy for me because I learned about him from a very, very early age. And I learned about all of the Old Testament, we call characters. They were actually real people with real lives.

But I had all of that as cultivation in my heart and in my head, every week of my life. The Proverbs 31 lady seems like her accomplishing all of this is making it easy for her children to find Jesus. They want to find him, it's been cultivated in their home with their dad who's respected at the city gate, with the mom working so hard, with her pouring into her children. They want to either be like her, like we talked about either it's King Solomon or his mother that wrote this,

but it's obviously if it's King Solomon, he likes that lady. If it's about his mom, he likes that lady. And he wants to have that in his life for his own children. And for his own life as a wife. But I just feel like that that's what I want to do as a mom.

And my job is done, except for helping out with this little man right now. My job is done. So I hope that I made my home easy for my children. The easiest possible way for them to find Jesus, not all of them found him so easily.

You know, and I had their own testimonies, but it was there was never a doubt in my mind

that they would come back to him if they turned away from him for a while because of how they were raised in my home. I never had a doubt. Did you? Not a doubt. Not a doubt.

And that's what you want to do. That's where you want to be as a parent. Well, springs right around the corner. Jason, now it's time to get back out in the yard. Oh, I've been out there yard.

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So, let me flip for the rest of podcast and give you the other marks because Maddie asked us to do the. So we do, you know, we do this together back and forth like I'll do a respectable, at least it does a levelable effort together in front of an audience. Sometimes we do it, you know, individually to men and women. But Joe is interesting because in some ways it's similar because he's almost a mythical figure.

Certainly ancient. Some people even think he's not a real person that it was just like someone wrote this story of Joe because you have the weird like first two chapters.

Our first chapter where God and Satan are having this conversation is it's definitely a different unique book in the Bible.

“But assuming that he was a real man who lived, which I think he was because his friends had names, so I don't think he's made up, but he certainly was an amazing man.”

And I think I said this on a reason podcast, he, you know, the evil on attacked him by taking everything he had. All his possessions, which for a man, you know, the idea being a provider's big, so he took that away. They need to go everything he loved, his children, and then the respective his wife because she just said, I don't know what you did, but you just need to curse God and get it over. And so she basically bolted, and again, she lost her kids too, so I'm not hating on her, but she, she left him.

And then he lost everything he was because the last thing Satan took was his strength, his health, which is a man. That's hard one to give up, and as we get older, we realize it more and more that you lose that strength. So he hit him in all the places where you can hit a man, and so when I go to Joe 31, it's out of the idea that he's defending his character. As a protector, but he's really lost all sense to be able to do it, so Joe's in a tight spot. And so he's sort of defending himself to his friends, but man, he almost lays out like the proper situation.

An unattainable picture of how we're supposed to be, but it's very powerful. So here's the seven. First one is, I made a covenant with my eyes not to look lustfully at a young woman, so he protects the eyes and the mind. And all of us know as men, we did a whole podcast on covenantized about pornography and the scourge it is. To men and women, unfortunately it's growing more and more and more now, you know, because it's just the where culture is.

But for all young men, it was always out there and Jason described it his first, like, time out with the buddies.

“Remember the first thing to do is break out the naked pictures.”

Yeah, I mean, that's just, well, that was my first and last invite to the little cabin in the woods. Somebody had drinking avocado and somebody had a picture naked. There was a little cabin in there. And they had a big marijuana joint. Yeah, that was before marijuana was quite popular.

Exactly. Yeah, you were, that was a wrong crowd for you to get in with. So share Jesus with them eventually. And I've told this, well, I've told it on the last podcast, but I'll just mention it for a move on. There's a verse that I love that Jesus said in Matthew 6, the eyes, the lamp of the body.

If your eyes are healthy, your whole body will be full of light. But if your eyes are unhealthy, your whole body will be full of darkness.

“If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness?”

And that's what pornography is. It's fake, it's not real. It's, but it is real people. And I've told you guys for it. Someone's daughter, it may be with somebody's wife or girlfriend, someone's sister for sure.

And you look at those things you think, man, why would I want to be lusting out? It's not healthy for my eyes or my mind. And it's a scourge. And it's wrecked a lot of families and it's wrecked a lot of people.

And I've always thought it was interesting because he would have lived in an era where

only thing he would have seen were eyes and ankles. And he still made the covenant. Because they were covered up back in the day. The one light today going down to Orange Beach. So I thought it's an amazing thing.

But he made the covenant. He said, I want to do this. But another thing about that is that as wives, we can't live up to what you have seen on a computer screen. We're never going to be perfect like that airbrush person on that computer screen. Or surgically enhanced or whatever.

So it gives you, it gives you an illusion that this is what all women look like.

“And then, well, I think what I see at home.”

Yeah, exactly. But it starts with us. Second one is he protects, all these are protect. He protects honesty. If I have walked with falsehood or my foot has heard after to see.

Let God weigh me in honest scales. And he will know that I am blameless. And I love that idea about being a man of your word. When you tell somebody you're going to do something, you do it. I mean, you know, that's what he says.

I'm going to protect honesty. Because without honesty, you know, we're in serious trouble. Not just as a man, but also as a family. And I love telling the story, speaking about one of my favorite movies is Taken, which is a terrible set up that the guy's daughter is Taken. But when they are about to take her, remember he says, I will find you.

And I will come for you. And then at the very end, the last scene when the pedophiles got the knife to her throat. And the guy starts to negotiate boom. He just right between us.

“And then she looks at him and she said, you came.”

And he looks almost shot. He said, I told you I would. And I just, you know, they're just encompasses to me. Everything we're supposed to be as a dad, as a husband. I told you I would.

And I meant that.

And so while, you know, I always say, I would have never gotten out of the airport trying to find an Uber.

Or whatever. He just, you know, trash is all a parent. As a special set of skills. As a special set of skills. Al does too, but not quite the same as him.

I'm pretty good with the Bible text. But I'm not too good with the back of the third one is, again, protects faithfulness. If my heart has been enticed by a woman. And this one, those verses that man is, if my heart has been enticed by a woman. Or if I have to lurked at my neighbor's door.

Then, may my wife grind another man's grain. And I always say when I read that, I don't even know what that means. But now I do know, because that is given us a picture of that. May my wife grind another man's grain. And may other men sleep with her.

He goes in, lays it out. I wasn't expecting the word grain. I know. Exactly. Last thing we want after.

Yeah. I mean, that, you walk in your house. You got to go, you don't want jail grinding somebody else's grain. Right? He grind my grain.

Great. And that's biblical. That is biblical.

And so I always quote, when I was speaking about this, one of my favorite passages, which

is from Genesis 39, when Joseph wouldn't sleep with his boss's wife. And look, he had every reason. He's a young guy. He's a teenager. Like, she's the boss too.

Like, he had every reason to do it. And he said, the words, how could I do such a thing and send it to God? And once again, he elevated. It was like, I'm not going to guess God, because you're telling me to come to bear with me. And man, that's a huge, that was a teenage boy that said that.

You know, he already realized something special about faithfulness. So we want to protect that. For he, the respect of a mark, he's protects the dignity of other people. And here's the way, Joe. And if I have denied justice to any of my servants, whether male or female, when they have

a grievance against me, what will I do in God confronts me? What will I answer when called to account? Did not he who made me in the womb make them? Do not the same, does not the same one form us both within our mothers? In other words, what makes me so special that I have the right to disrespect another person?

I don't. We're all human beings. And so I want to treat other, I want to protect dignity of everybody possible. And look, a lot of times people don't protect it themselves. That's all in them, but it's not going to be all me.

“And so I love that idea that that's part of what you should see as a man to be respectful.”

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I love that idea that we should be, I think a lot of times, me and think that's the wife's job is to be the generous person and to go and do that. But I mean, can I not be generous?

Should I not be the first one that says,

hey, what can we do in this situation? How can we help this situation? So we need to leave a generosity, which I thought was really good. Six is protects contentment from greed. It kind of goes along with the same thing.

And this kind of goes back to the rich and realtor days. I have put my trust, if I put my trust in gold, or said to pure gold that you are my security.

“And so I think another thing is me and sometimes, you know,”

especially like we're working, we're trying to be a provider, but man, we don't want greed to ever be the lead when it comes to family or anything else. I mean, it shouldn't. Our security shouldn't come from that.

That's to come from the almighty and something greater than that. Doesn't mean we don't need to provide an earned a book and work. We all should. We should be productive. But that shouldn't be our security.

And so, Lisa and I have talked a lot about that her favorite verse was just Philippians 413, which I can do all things to Christ to strengthen me. In the context Paul was talking about in Philippians 4, that we find contentment in him.

That's how we can do all things to us. We have to be able to find that contentment. And he was in prison when you read it. Exactly. And was joyful.

And then the last one, which to me is probably the most important one,

protects your future by being a person or forgiveness. And he said, "I have not allowed my mouth to sin by invoking a curse against my enemies." And even his own friends said some rough things to him. But he basically said, "You know what? I want to be a man who's not vengeful."

“And the only way you don't have vengeance is if you're a person or forgiveness.”

And so, in that particular future, because you can't have a relationship without I'm wrong. I'm sorry. I love you. The nine hardest words, you know, which means.

Okay, I want to add one. All right. Got a number eight. Because this job 19 is always fascinated me, because I brought up that about the resurrection and what's going to happen.

And so I don't know how you want to word the title of this. I guess I'm thinking, how do you protect your eternal relationship with God when things go wrong? Which this went dreadfully wrong. And it was, we live in an evil world. He was, I mean, the evil one who is not omnipotent and I'm depressive.

Just decided to make it his ambition to destroy this. And sometimes in your marriage and sometimes in life, things are going to go wrong here and that we live in a evil world. I want to read this. I think it's a profound.

This is Joe 1917. He says, "My breath is offensive to my wife. Something you can probably understand." [laughter] I am low some to my own brothers.

Ow. This is something. Okay. Even the little boys scorn me when I appear they ridicule me. All my intimate friends to test me.

Those I love have turned against me. And you realize the power of this. You know, we're laughing, but it, yeah. And he says, "I'm nothing but skin and bones." Because you're right.

All those three points that happened to him. I have escaped with only the skin of my teeth. Then when he gets to verse 25 and this is what I found so profound. When you, I thought of this.

actual scroll that was discovered.

Listen to what Joe Bick had concluded.

“Way before Jesus every time was buried and resurrected.”

And all this he's going through. Verse 25. "I know that my redeemer lives and that in the end he will stand upon the earth." Wow. And after my skin has been destroyed, listen to this.

Yet in my flesh I will see God. I myself will see him with my own eyes. I and not another. How my heart yearns with him. Wow.

I thought, "Oh, Joe has figured out the resurrection." Well, it could go back to the proper 31 woman. He was raised with those fundamental values taught in his home. By word and by deed by his father and his mother. That's how he knew that.

It's passed down from the beginning of time and he is part of that. Yeah. And we know the story about how God redeems him. But it's still painful. You know, it was very extremely difficult.

But I think in the middle of all this, how in the world did he ever figure all that out and how that perspective with everything going on. And I find it the whole key to the whole book. Because I'm like, we do the same. We have no excuse. We know the gospel.

And we know things are going to go bad in this evil world. And I think that is the anchor that sometimes you just have to anchor down and get back to the simplicity of God's redemption.

“But that would show you too in the end that God's way is always the best way.”

Because the evil one here through everything he had at Joe. But God said, "I trust him to do the right thing." Well, I mean, I mean, that's huge. Because we look at the evil one says, "Oh, man." It's scary, but look, it's also very gives you so much confidence.

Because you know whatever Satan is doing at you, God's way is always going to be better.

And mainly because of the resurrects. Well, I think it's a preview to that new generation that Jesus was speaking of and even from the mouth of Joe. This was written to be a shadow to what Jesus would accomplish. And I think you find it right in the middle of this spiritual warfare book that not only does God want to save us. He won't save us forever.

That's why he was so appalled at this question. Well, who's why, who's going to be the husband of this woman? I mean, when I think about our relationship, we're way beyond just saying I do. I mean, we've become best friends. We've become brother and sister in the Lord.

We've become warriors for our kids. So all of a sudden at the resurrection, I'm not going to know you. Oh, no, it's way beyond. And that's why he viewed it as that birth process. What we will be has not been made. This is why the brother and sister aspect is so much even stronger than the husband of wife.

In that sense of what God does when he fuses you together. I remember where I was at a time.

“But I remember Smith one time was teaching and Lisa looked over at me.”

Because he said, you know, there'll be no marriage and haven't. And Lisa looked at me like, well, I don't want to go to heaven. Well, you know, I'm off as a man. I thought man. Sure wanted to procreate there.

But I realized just like the birth process that this is way beyond. You don't know what I told Lisa. I was like, hey, we're still going to be. I mean, we're best friends. Trust me, we're going to know each other very terribly.

We're so much. The key line is don't underestimate the power of God. It's way better. It's way better. Before we close, I do gotta say one thing.

The first person that ever heard like make that point that you just made.

I want to procreate in heaven. I was in a group with our, one of our mentors Bill Smith. And there was one guy in the room that complained about that was like that. The fact that I'm not going to be able to procreate in heaven. And you know who that gentleman was.

My dad's your dad missing. Oh, my dad. He said that. Larry said that. And I thought, okay, Larry.

He was like, you know, 70 years old. What he said. That's the key. Go Larry. I'm so sorry.

All right. I had to drop that Jesus. No. No. I'm so glad that he's fired up about it.

You wouldn't be here. That's exactly what he was. Can we end this? All right. Lisa.

Lisa's uncomfortable. It's time to admit it. We do good. All right. Madder gave us a thumbs up.

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