Ep 1293 | Jase Causes a Scene Pulling a Live Bug from a Lady Stranger’s Hair & We All Need a Hero

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So welcome back to Unashamed. It's been an odd beginning for me and Maddie, because we've just been watching it all happen. Maddie, Jayce came in, listening to Pink Floyd. Zach was listening to Elvis. You know what? Well, it's caught in a trap. I was caught in a trap.

Suspicious minds. That could have been a thing for our movie we're doing today.

Oh, it's actually doing research. Oh, you're researching. Well, no, the song that looked for years, because this rock and roll was thrust on us, not by choice. Because my dad really loved classic rock. And so we would be in the duck call factory.

I don't know how if you ever visited that duck call factory. But when I was there, I was there when you were still trying to get out of your Panthers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I spent time in the duck call.

“I think Jayce forgets that you basically raised him the first.”

He has no idea. He's only alive because of me. I know he had a rough patch, but the man is only alive because of me. I feel like, you know, that part were all the machinery was. That's really where I hung out and feel with turn that music up so loud.

But I never listened to the words.

Never, never listened to them. Well, we were young too, so it didn't quite have the impact. Now that you're. But now as I'm older, I realize a lot of those songs were a craft for help in the world. Because I've been thinking about this, you know, how many times this world is mentioned?

It's like the world hating you and the three aspects of the world, the cravings of simple man, the boosting of what they do and say and the lust of the eyes, all of those things. And so today we were talking about false teachers last time we were here.

“And I think we tend to think they're always way off somewhere.”

But they're among us. I mean, you don't realize it's camouflaged. It's hard to spot them. And so anyway, I was thinking that everybody has a shepherd. You know, because when Jesus said, I am the shepherd.

And I'm listening to the series from John Tyson, Zack's buddy. I would say I'm a friend, but he was only on Zack's podcast after one month. Yeah. But it's really good. If you focus on Jesus, I'm listening to that series.

And they're their sister church. They're doing a series on the questions of Jesus. So I have to listen to that every Sunday no matter what, because I love it. But anyway, I said all that to say, it made me think of that pink Floyd song, brain damage. Because that little phrase where he said, "There's someone in my head.

Let it's not me." And I was like, "What is that song really about?" Because that's the only line I remember. Because I was had that idea of everybody has a shepherd. Everybody's being influenced by something.

So I broke it down, but what I didn't realize is they wrote that song about,

“I think their lead singer had a nervous breakdown, a mental breakdown,”

and so they wrote a song about it. And so if A.I.s correct, it was kind of due to fame and isolation and just the world trying to conform you. That's what got my attention. So I thought, I want to check those words out.

And I think you'll see that in the song. But anyway, that was the story on the song. I was going to tell you, because we, since we're spirit,

it's our responsibility to introduce the true shepherd,

“which is he referred to himself, "I'll ask the good shepherd."”

No wonder estimate that word good. Because you're going to be shepherded by something or someone. We all would go with the good one. And so we declare that. So I had a little story I was going to tell you.

That's really exciting me. And I don't know what it means, but maybe I'll can discern. I have a picture, but I can't show it. Because it's involving little man and I protect his identity. So they had this thing at their little school.

And it was, which I found this fascinating, four-year-olds. And they were to get up, here's the class project, and share an adventure. I thought, "Man, that's pretty ambitious for four-year-olds." I mean, I actually asked Ms. Aslay.

They actually think this will work. And so I didn't know what happened. I just knew, Ms. Aslay, "Well, yeah, I got to come up with something "because it's tomorrow." So she sends me a picture of him going into school,

but he had a poster board up. And it said, "Little man and J. Rock's bear adventure. "It had a title." And Ms. He had asked me for all the pictures that I take of me and him. And she had four different pictures of me and little man with this bear.

And you're like, "With a bear." Ooh, do tell.

“Well, my brother, I think I shared this story when more was there.”

My brother built one of the largest statues of a bear on his property. When you say "built," do you like it? Like a carving? He does? He does. This one's metal.

This thing is burned. It's an iron bear with claws, because when I shared when Cory was on the podcast, he actually got me and I have two scars in my lower back region. I'm like, "I've been shot with two arrows from the claws."

Because a little man almost tripped and fell on our reach to get him and whatnot. Straighten my back. I just, "Aww!" Which, in his mind, he thought, "Run! Run!" The bear got it.

Yeah, the bear got me. He's like, "Me, no bear." So, anyway, I'm telling you all this. This is where the story gets good. So, it has the pictures.

And so, she later sent me a text of a picture that the teacher had taken with little man in front of the students. It was just him when he was holding the poster and he's talking. He's like, "Mouth, open, mid, sentence."

Here's what I found fascinating.

There's the classroom. They're all sitting on the floor in a semicircle. In these kids, when I'm saying, "Are hanging on everywhere." I blew up the picture and looked at these kids.

Mows are open. Eyes are wide, and eyes are wide. So, he's creating another days. Another days. A thought.

I've done something right here. This kid is telling her story.

“And he has managed to do, which I think the teacher took the picture”

to say, "Look at this."

Because she had probably never experienced that the entire year.

It was just full attention from a classroom before you. That's funny. I thought it was incredible. I had no idea what he said. Well, I'm sure he did like you.

He just made up most of it. He's learned now how to just spread it. We may have to add solos to little man's solos to this young man. So now I've been doing a theme for the grandkids and little man. Now when I do an adventure, I film it.

You know, like in edit, and then I send it if I'm not with him. So Missy's visit is on. So she gave me the report. She said, "I'll share it last night." Because yesterday I caught a bunch of fish at Willis.

Which was a little bad because he was working on his place. You know, still cleaning up from the ice dorm. And I'm out there catching fish. He never came over. I just looked at him.

I know what he was thinking.

I'm not going to work. I can't tell him.

“Well, we talked about that on the podcast though.”

He does love doing that.

He has since he was a kid.

So I think he's enjoyed. I mean, obviously, it's been a lot of work. But he likes it kind of stuff. He used to clean up all of mom's stuff for her. Because Dad, you know, we talked about his philosophy on the yard work.

Which, you know, he said the frost would get it. He didn't mind the yard work. He didn't like lawnmower, so. Yeah. He didn't do lawn.

He didn't do yard work either, Daisy. He wasn't into that. Well, it was a, it was a problem with cutting scissors, razors. On more blades. It was a pattern there.

There's no cutting. Yeah. Now, if I'm actually going to build a big fire out there. No problem. But don't cut it.

I've been talking on the podcast recently about jealousy. We're talking about brothers can and able on the Bible. I have to say the only time I've ever, I don't really struggle with jealousy. Except for one small thing. And that's you, Dad and Sa.

Have always had a metabolism that seems to be unworldly or something.

Super natural. You've always been able to just stay tram and I've never figured it out. Or in the fat. So, unfortunately, for me and Willie and Jeff, we seem to get some a mom's DNA. But I don't want to blame her.

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Or you can visit my Ph.D. weight loss.com. I'm actually in the process of getting out of the amount of yard work. I've done mine for years. You guys all made fun of me. But now, I finally decided this past week, just like it's just... I'm not good at it. Our yard looks like a junkyard.

So she's talking to me. I'm going to pay somebody for the first time this year. The clearance. The landscape, the whole thing. There's a difference in landscape and in yard work,

and then throw in a bunch of junk in it. Yeah, I'm going to have the whole thing cleaned up. I ordered some trees from our sponsor, Fasker, and trees. But I've got those covered. The guy said, "Here's the price. It doesn't include the plants."

So I ordered my own plants, but he's going to do the rest. So I've got a guy coming out next week, so we're... Well, that's face is that. You've done it because you're cheap, and you don't want to spend the money on it. Which, and, you know, best fair.

That's part of it. Sounds like to me what you described had nothing to do with managing the lawn. You're doing what most...

“I think deep down you want to be a redneck,”

which is one of the qualifications. You've got to put a bunch of junk in your yard. Yeah, it is true. I would stuff on your porch, and... You've got to get to a couple of old appliances

that don't work anymore. You can take one of your cars and put it up on blocks. And just leave it out. Yeah, that's out there. Sure. I'm going to treat me to old.

When I lived, whenever I lived, at the golf course, the one that I hired Willie for that brief period of time, which I'd love to say he used to work for me. We were burned and trashed in the backyard on the 18th green. Me and Willie, they go bonfire.

It's golfers that come like what in the world has happened. So he represented well. Yeah, I'm not opposed to that. I think, I mean, Missy threw a big fit, because every year I would burn the leaves in the yard.

And she's like, "Well, there's a big old black, "you're staining our yard." I'm like, "I'm fertilizing for free." Matter can't be created or destroyed unless you're God. I'm just turning that into fertilizer and it'll turn back.

Just give it a minute.

“And basically, that's how the Almighty's always done.”

He clears land by the light and strike, you know? Fire's happening, and you love fire's happening. It's showing you what new creation is all about. Yeah. So, I'll operate your assignment.

So, you had to go book chapter verse on it.

It was close that I'm even here.

“I had, this morning I'm studying, Missy's out of town.”

All of a sudden I hear these two guys talking really loud. And I look back there and they're playing them up pool. But it's two young boys. And they're talking so loud, I thought, "Well, if I had been asleep, they would have awakened me."

And so, I looked at the clock because I thought, I mean, they're all my property. I realized they're doing a job for me, but they were like, "Been really loud." And I thought, "This is kind of weird."

So, I cracked the door to see if I could hear any four-load of words because I thought if I hear one, it's one thing to be loud. Because I just thought, if I was doing their job, I would think, "Come on, somebody else is property." I would show a certain amount of decor.

But I cracked the door and they were talking about dogs.

And I never heard of four-load of words.

But if I heard one aisle, I was fixed to give a sign. You see what I mean? I was going to walk out there. You had one ready. I had it ready.

And I thought, "Well." And so then I went, "Got ready to come here, put my clothes on."

“And I said, "You know what? I think I'm going to do it anyway."”

And so I walked out there and they were gone. [laughter] You know, it's funny because you talk about a re-opportunity about ministry. And this whole section we've been in in 1st John IV has been about. You've mentioned false teachers.

It's been about there's definitely people trying to lead a mystery and John's trying to get him back to the central message of Jesus being the Messiah. But this whole week we've been down there and go upstairs. And you never know. You go back and forth.

And so we have friends down there.

But you never know when ministry opportunities are going to be there.

I've shared a gospel with a lot of people and had a lot of Jesus conversations. But this week, two of our friends were dad and a plane crash of Saturday night. And some other dear friends were here at the house when they got the call as something was wrong. And we didn't know what it was.

They laughed suddenly to go to be with the wife. And we didn't find out until later that night. But it's just been, you know, the agony and grief of a sudden death like that in a community and in families. And I've dealt with a lot through the years.

Been a passionate, never prepares you for that moment of shock and grief at the same time. And, you know, it's really been tough. But so we go back to our old house last night. We're looking at some stuff there because we're selling it. And I see my neighbor in the yard.

And so I go over and I said, hey, our thing's going. And he said, you don't know, do you? And I was like, no, no, what? And he said, his wife had passed. She was paralyzed.

And she had had a lot of health issues. But I had no idea. And so it's like, we'd already been dealing with this all week. And then I was just so stunned. I said, I am so sorry, Jeff.

And so we're talking. He's not a real religious guy. And the, but she was, you know, a believer. And the, and the sweetest person. But he, he was telling me about how it all went down.

And he was telling me about he said, well, you know, she had this lady preacher. That's the way he described her, her minister. I guess, who came to see her, pray for. And I was like, well, you know, she's into that. So that's fine.

So he's, he's telling me the story. And he said, he said, but then she said, God gave me a word. And he, he, he, he, she said this to his wife. And he, she said, you know, your penance is now over.

Because, you know, she's been paralyzed for 10 years from a doctor's mistake. And there was a lawsuit. It's just a terrible situation. And I mean, it's set him on my neighbor off. He, he just, he told her, he said, all right, you're done.

You're out of here. And she said, well, I'm not through praying. He said, no, you're through.

He said, you know, this woman is the most amazing woman.

The toughest woman in the world in the sweetest person in the world. And you're talking about her pain or penance. And I mean, he literally ran around the room. Of course, and it made me so mad. Because this is what you're talking about with this fall stuff.

How do we know whether a spirit is, is the spirit of God or some spirit of falsehood? But no matter what your deal was, and what you think in that moment, as someone who supposedly is a leader, first has a witness to him who's not a believer.

“But also to this woman, who's near death, that's the last thing you should ever say.”

Yeah. Whether you thought it was true or not. But, but what it's not, you know, somehow to say that, you know, everything that befalls this person is somehow because God is making her pay up him. And now he's told you that it's over.

And it just, it made me angry because I was in that moment trying to provide something for this man who had lost his wife. Who I know is, is mad at God. It's been mad at God for 10 years because of what happened during the beginning. And so I've been working this relationship because, you know, I love it.

And one person comes in like this with some kind of whatever that was. And can just train wreck, you know, someone else trying to do the work of God. And it makes me furious at falsehood and to see, as you said, earlier that, and it's among supposedly the people of God.

And this woman was an amazing example of Christian faith and spite of terrible things

that had happened to her and this man. And I told him again, I was not excited. I talk about you when I speak around the country. I said, I know you don't, you don't believe yet. But you are an inspiration because you could have just stuck your wife on a home

and then went off and lived your life. But you didn't. You have taken care of her for 10 years. And I mean, I'm talking about taking care of her. I said, that's an inspiration.

So you, you taught me things, Jeff.

“And so, you know, but that's what you do as a believer.”

You know, your role is to help people and help them find Christ. Not to just say stupid things that are ungodly. I don't know, just in sense me that all week we've been doing this. And he told me this story and you said that about falsehood.

And I was like, that is just straight up falsehood.

Yeah. And inappropriate on top of that. Jay, she got two little small dogs. I'll be to see you. I know they see them. They were small.

They seem small. They might weigh three or four pounds of peas. But if you heard them in the middle of the night, you would think, oh, stay away. Fear spheres. Unfortunately, there's the one that has good manners also has instincts.

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I think we live in our own little bubbles. But that made me think of what happened to me on my last event. When I was telling you about going to surprise Arizona. It was such a weird trip, which I didn't tell you all this part of the trip. But I had, when I got to the airport that morning,

I was in line and about three people in front of me. There's this nice woman well to do. And I looked and saw something moving on her head. And I was like, "What is that?" And it was a large insect.

And there's two thousand front of me. And I thought, "What are we going to do here?" Of course, we're all looking. Because I looked up at them. They're looking at the same thing.

I'm looking at, but they're not moving. And I thought, "This woman's by herself, obviously." Because nobody is right next to her. And I thought, "You know what?

“I think sometimes you just got to stand up and be a man."”

So I started walking toward her. And I said, "Don't panic." But she didn't turn around and I was getting close to her. I was like, "Don't panic." So she turned and looked at me.

Of course, now I've lost the visual in the insect. I said, "Don't panic." There is an insect in your hair. And I'm going to get it out for you right now. Just remain calm.

And look on her face. She turned her head around. And I just, surgically, went in there with my fingers and grabbed the insect. And I said, "What's funny about this?" Because she was trying to look at me.

I said, "You don't want to see it." And it flew in your hair. I was like, "It's not because you're not keeping yourself out."

Because now everyone's watching me remove the insect from her hair. Here's the funny part. I go to the trash can. And I like flip it in the trash can.

“Well, it just takes flight in everybody went.”

I guess all the women did that. I didn't hear any guys. So I'm just saying that was a very awkward thing. And I only tell you that story. Because when I got to the event,

it's a man's event, but we walked through the back door. And there's about 30 women who were cooking all the food. And I thought, "And I said something. Here's where all the real work's happening." Y'all came up here to serve 1500 men.

And I mean, look, they were sweating. And you could just tell it was a workout. So I was trying to encourage them. But one of the ladies kind of started following me. And she said, "I hate to ask this,

but you are my husband's favorite." And I like to take a picture, you know. But when she said that, I thought I said, "Well, what's that?" He didn't win you over.

Because she said, "You're my husband's favorite." Yeah, I was like, "He didn't win you over." And she said, "Well, he died two weeks ago." Oh, well, now all of a sudden I was like, "Because I was making a joke."

Yeah. And she got kind of teared up. And then I just said, "And you're up here serving two weeks later." I mean, it just kind of hit me.

I thought, "Wow." And so I said, "Well, I'll tell you what, before we take a picture." So I just said a prayer with her. And, of course, she started crying.

I got a little emotional myself. And of course, I'm with the group of pastors. He's putting this on. And they weren't aware that this had happened, which was kind of weird, but it is a big church.

Yeah. And so they're like, "We're on it." But I thought, "Wow." You know, it just really made me think, like I told you those two stories and contrast,

which it was an one was awkward.

“But the other was awkward with way more ramifications, you know?”

Yeah. And it moved me.

Because I always try to find the one part.

There's usually one person on these trips that you think, "God, line this up." And I think that was it. So. Well, there's a certain, when something happens suddenly,

like that, there's a sort of a process that people have to go through to accept it. And so it's a day by day thing. And people are, there are people gifted at helping people get there.

But it's tough. I mean, it's tough when you don't get a chance to say goodbye. Yeah. You know. And what I like this one more was older.

I mean, she's a lot younger than me, but I didn't ask for the details, but I thought. Right. Man, what a warrior. She's up there.

When she probably was there, because he did love it. Yeah. And she probably already agreed to do that. And she was doing that to honor him. I would have bet.

I would bet. You know, it sounds like so. Yeah. You stuff like that impresses me about people anyway. The idea of just able to see.

You know, Christ and to see the idea of honor and legacy through the pain of losing somebody. And it's just so hard. You know, that's the moment.

That's never friendly, you know.

My whole point about saying that is, is people need a shepherd. And we're followers of Jesus. And we represent that. And yeah.

But life's messy. I mean, you know, it takes courage to have awkward conversations and be vulnerable enough to be available and have conversations with people. Hey, by the way, I want to remind everybody too that we are doing another course with Hillsdale, which is incredible.

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We're going to have a little surprise for those who finish the course. They have an opportunity to be entered into a drawing. But you can sign up for free at unashamed for Hillsdale.com. I wanted to read this.

You know, I know we're in first John four.

May may wish to read that first. Maybe thank this John Tinnon and I wanted to remind you of what he had written before. Well, in first John four, where he says, so he talks about the spirit of the enterprise.

Yeah, we read one through six. Yeah.

“So when he gets to those last couple of verses,”

and he brings up this idea of world. It's four times in four and five. It says, "You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them,

which is another word he uses a lot in first John."

Yeah. Because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world, which he had already defined what the world is all about in chapter two, 15 through 17. But he also said in verse 13 of chapter three,

"Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you." And that is directly from John 15. So then it says, "They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world." And the world listens to them.

So you see, you see the point about someone is shepherding you. Yeah.

“We are from God, which I think is an interesting phrase”

if you're kind of outside the context of it.

Because you immediately think, "Well, aren't they from God too?" But you got to remember, this is all from kind of the context of where children of God, in chapter two, 28.

And we do watch right because we've been born of him. So it's in the context of this new birth. We are from God and whoever knows God listens to us. But whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

And so I talked about that Jesus been the door from John 10, but then he goes on to say in verse 11 of chapter 10,

he says, "Because you remember when he said the thief in verse 10

comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I have come that they may have a life and have it to the full." Well, who are these thieves? Now in this context, I believe it's these religious leaders, who same ones that got mad in John 9,

“because Jesus healed on the Sabbath, remember all that?”

Yeah. And when you throw in Ezekiel 34, you see this prediction of these false shepherds being made right through God producing the ultimate shepherd. It's a fascinating read.

I think we read it when we were in John 10. And so that is the groundwork for I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. The hard hand is not the shepherd who owns the sheep. So there's kind of three categories for false shepherds.

The robber, the thief, and the hard hand. And the hard hand is not necessarily evil, but it makes you, you know, Jesus has a way of making you think. What's the problem with the hard hand? Well, he's only doing this to get paid.

Yeah, it's hard to not make it. Yeah, you don't care about the sheep. Right. If a wolf comes, what's he doing? He's getting the sheep in between him and the wolf.

Because they're not valuable, right? Right. The hard hand is not the shepherd who owns the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abends the sheep and runs away.

Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it. The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep. Jesus, again, I am the good shepherd. And this goes in with where we're at in 1, 4, 6, about listening to voices. I know my sheep and my sheep know me.

Just as the father knows me and I know the father. To me, this is heavy with that statement. Because he's comparing our relationship to Jesus with his and the father. And the whole reason I wanted to read this is the next couple of verses. Because then he's going to get to this love, which is going to be introduced in 1, 4.

Then he says verse 16, "I have other sheep that are not of this pen." Every scholar would tell you that that's the Gentile world. That's us. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice.

And now look what he does.

Look where he goes after. We have this relationship just as I and the father about listening to the voice and knowing each other. Then verse 17, "The reason my father loves me, then he brings up the love idea, is that I laid down my life only to take it up again." And this is one of my favorite verses in the Bible verse 18.

No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord, which is the definition of love. God's love.

I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again this command I received my father.

I was just thinking about, you think about false shepherds and false teachers and which is a real threat.

“There's my question because we all grew up in a, I remember when we were kids that accusation was thrown around quite a bit.”

In fact, I remember my dad was called a false teacher by a lot of people that we would want to church with. And so it's kind of a weird thing because it's a real threat on one end, but then it's also an accusation that is thrown around very loosely. You know, when somebody's off on their theology, you throw out the heretic label or, you know, or the, the, you're the, I call it the heretic police and they're just, but you remember like if you get outside of the line of the church or Christ back in the early days.

Teaching things like grace, they would, they taught the gospel of grace, they would have called you a false teacher and they would have marked you. They actually used that term, you know, he's been marked and things like that. So I don't know how to, how do you guys, how do y'all kind of decipher what is the difference between someone who's been called a false teacher and someone who is actually a false teacher. They're in lies the whole issue and it's why I was saying you get into it with over the course of 2000 years and these things were written.

You had plenty of opportunity for people to continue down both false roads and then also just prideful places where everybody's a false teacher. I mean, there are some whole groups of people, some churches that their whole mission is to call out everybody else and the religious world is wrong. I mean, we see these groups out there that they kind of make a name for themselves.

And that goes against the whole spirit of the entire Holy Spirit in the Bible because you're not, you're never winning anybody, all you're doing is trash and everybody.

So you know it can't be from God.

“So well, you know, I think because they don't care for the sheep that when people are getting hurt, that doesn't matter that there's, you know, those three things of the world that won that pride of life.”

There's some people in powerful positions and churches that have this pride as in, you know, where the only one's going to make it and I mean whoever's around around this power structure. And it's like that kind of attitude seems to be in contrast to what Jesus has described and about I'm the door, all are welcome. I'm the shepherd. I laid down my life for the sheep. I mean, he, he's treating the sheep as valuable and it seems like most people empower and I'm talking about just not in the church in any powerful role.

Ten to think the sheep are expendable as long as I maintain my power and control. Yeah. And part of his act is keeping it at the simple. You remember when we started this conversation, we went back to Jason went back to Galatians five. And we said, you know, look, it's pretty, we talk about the Holy Spirit.

I mean, the Bible keeps it fairly simple. It's gotten complicated from man, but the Bible is pretty simple. You got a list here of sinful behavior and then you got a list of fruit from the spirit. And if you can keep that, those contrast there, that's pretty much what you can see and know what we've done is, and I mentioned this when we talked about it back then. We, we create these whole doctrinal things of sinfulness that, you know, you can take the Bible and twist it into whatever you want to.

“And that's what a lot of people have done.”

And then you got all these rules that, that are just like what the Pharisees did. You know, you add the add-ons, I call them. And then that's who they get after people with. And that's why all of us know that so much of our audience, we've had to spend a lot of time trying to tell people and encourage people to find community. You know, outside of just this podcast because we know we all need that.

And our family, I've seen that the need for community, but at the same time, how many people have told you?

And just, you know, terrible situations that the one guy told me said, I love Jesus, but I love the church.

And I was like, and that made me so sad because I've, the church is done so much good for me. So, you know, but he's, it's what you're talking about. Those experiences are what has hardened the heart of many people. Well, I think that when you, the further label out there is super dangerous.

Particularly if it's, if the, if the accusation is they have the wrong theology or you're, or whatever, you could consider to be the right doctrine.

And then they're often a particular subject then you just, I mean, just come after them with everything you have. Call of them names call, I mean, I mean, we've already saved these comments from even the people that listen to podcasts before not many, but we do receive some.

“And that's why we always kind of caveat. I could be wrong. I mean, I mean, like, these are, this is what it is.”

Yeah, there, there, you can't defend these, these people because to me, that's not being Christ like.

No, the, the, the, but my point is is, is if that's the litmus test for a false teacher, then we're all excluded because nobody has 100% correct theology. Yeah, if you, if you do, I'd like to know who you are because I'll follow what you're doing. If you can convince me that you're, you're 100% correct. You're interpretation of the scripture, but there is like part of scriptures, you know, does God doesn't just spell it out, everything out for us. And I think that's intentional, by the way, but I think you mentioned, well, we're, we're, you know, is he kill he says it was as he said before.

But I'm going to push back with on one thing you're saying, you said no one has 100% theology correct, but there are people who think they do. Yeah, so that, that's just a fact. Well, that, well, that, that's the ones I get really nervous about if, if you can't say, I could be wrong, then I get really nervous around you.

“And I'm probably not going to follow you to be honest with you, but, but I will say this, the litmus test for me and I think the litmus test is scripture is more about how do they treat the body, the, the great passage is equal 34.”

The shepherds who get bat on the offering of others, they feed themselves. They're not even looking at the people around and one of the my friends who was a major. And the army rangers, he was just telling me this last week invited us over for dinner. Cooked this amazing meal for us and he was telling me the story one time of one of one of his superiors got in line at eight before his minute and they ran afghanistan somewhere and my buddy went up there and kind of broke protocol. And he essentially rebuked his superior for eating before his minute and he said, you don't do that.

The leader does not eat before his minute, the leader eats last and I thought, what a good, I like picture of a shepherd, a shepherd eats last. And not in as equal 34, the shepherds are feeding themselves, there's also passage in Jude one that kind of echoes this is says, this is Jude one 12, these are hidden reefs at your love beast. As they feast with you without fear, shepherds feeding themselves or, again, an Isaiah 56, the dogs have a mighty appetite. They have enough, but they are shepherds who have no understanding, they have all turned to their own ways each to his own gain. I think that's the caveat, so when you, when you are looking at ministry leaders and you're looking at teachers and you're looking at shepherds.

“Look at their ministry, look at the fruit of their life is are they elevating themselves at the expense of the body, are they using people, that's one of the reasons why the prosperity gospel is such a dangerous and that is a heretical gospel.”

And me, you know, and I'm going to go by an airplane with your money, and but give them a to prove that you are, you know, that the, that you're loved by God or that you and me blessed by God and then that person and accumulates all that well, I mean that is a shepherd feeding themselves and as a shepherd. So that's sort of that, that is a very sobering warning that I constantly think about like I do not want to be caught up in that category of these guys and as equal 34, I don't want to be that guy.

I'm going to say this because you made me think a couple podcasts a go we talked about when Peter makes this profound statement that you're the son of God and all of a sudden that sowed the seed for who would be the greatest among them. And a few verses later, when Jesus outlined the plan, I'm going to be arrested, rejected, ah, be buried, come back and then Peter's like, no, and which, you know, when you look at the Greek language on all that it's literally like he got in front of Jesus saying, I'm going to stop you.

You know, in Marxic account, you know, you made me think of it kind of goes along with what we're talking about. In Marxic account, I say I wrote this down some article picture of you thought, why did Peter, why did he get that wrong on what the son of God was supposed to look like.

“Because he just said he, and he was a revelation from God himself. Jesus said that obviously so wrong.”

Because he thought that the Messiah, here they are, under Roman rule, was going to liberate them. They were, they were after freedom and this was in the questions of Jesus sermon that I was talking about I heard.

And because they want the power, yeah, and they want a prosper, that they're, they have a power over them and their whole idea of Messiah.

If you're, if you have one of your, your mind, the things of man, it kind of looks like that first John T. 15, you're like, well, we want to be free, we want to have the power to do, we won't, we want to prosper. But, and we want to be honored. So we want to be, have this oppression lifted, which is not necessarily a bad thing. But it's a physical, you're looking at the physical world.

And so in Marxic account, when Jesus responds to that, it's, you know, it's the same story, eight, thirty, three.

When Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he would be Peter, get behind me, Satan. You do not have in mind the things of God, but things of man, all right. But then watch, then he called the crowd to him, along with his disciples, he thought, okay, let's get everybody, hello disciples, crowd, listen, if anyone would come after me, he must deny himself, which is the opposite of this narrative that whatever calls Peter to say, that's not going to happen. He must take up his cross and follow me, whoever wants to save it, whoever wants to save his life, we'll lose it.

“Because that's what he just said, I'm going to be rejected, I'm going to be arrested, and just like John T.”

I'm going to give my life willingly. Save his life, I'll lose it, but whoever loses his life for me and the gospel will save it. And so then here's the question, here's a question Jesus asked, what good is it for a man to gain the whole world? And yet for fit, his very being or soul. There's the good, there's a good Jesus question. Yes, yes. Because I'm tying it down with the world. Peter had in his mind, we want all this for now. And look, nothing's changed. I mean, even look at the nation of Israel, they're still looking for that freedom, honor, but any country, you know, that's, that's the goal.

And so you say, well, what did, what did Jesus, what was his point? He asked another question, if anyone is ashamed of me and my words. I mean, that's the name of this podcast.

In this adulterous and sinful generation, the son of man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his father's glory with his powerful angels.

So I wrote this down, because you had the four things that was in the mind of Peter, that you, you know, freedom for the nation, power for the nation, prosperity, honor, and then Jesus answers with arrested, rejected, suffering. He had another word, but I put humiliation, because he was talking about the death on the cross. It wasn't just that he died on the cross. They were humiliating him, not honoring him on the cross.

“And I think that's the difference in mindset, but my point is, when he says, he didn't just say, if anyone is ashamed of me, that's one thing. He's the shepherd. We know his voice. He knows us, but it says, a me and my words.”

I think the criteria, number one, for a false teacher, is they're not focused on Jesus in his words. They're not listening.

Because this is an, this is a description. It's kind of an interesting passage about shepherd's and elders. And I say this, I'll tell you a story around this when I was hit this first one time when I had a lunch with a guy. And he wanted me to, this is first Peter five. He wanted me to join his church and to be an elder and we had been attending, but I was like, I don't, we just started attending as I don't really know a lot about your church. Yeah, it was a small church.

“I mean, let me, let me sit for a little bit. And the more I got involved in this church, I realized that this guy had built this thing around his, his personality and everybody in the church was dependent on him.”

And so we went out to lunch and, and he basically said to me, he said, hey, I really need your help. He said, every Moses needs his errand.

And I was like, oh, I said, I want to sit well. I said, well, I said, well, I'm going to stop you right there. I said, I said, I said, I know what he's errand. I said, but on the flip side, I don't want to be anybody's Moses either. And I said, I don't think that's what biblical eldership looks like. He said, well, God called me to plant this church. He gave me a vision and all this. I said, and then I, and this is common language, by the way, but I don't believe the Bible teaches God doesn't, there's no like hierarchy in the priesthood, right?

No, the priesthood believers, like you didn't get any special vision that I don't have access to. I got access to the same word of God. You have access to.

And I, and I said, I won't say his name. I said, you've set this church up where it is ripe for pastoral abuse and consequently too much later that he was arrested or

using someone in the church. But this is the verse I read to him. I said, notice how what happens when Peter, who is, who had apostolic authority, this is, people debate this, but I don't believe the apostolic

“Secession continued. I think once they laid hands, the people they laid hands on after that generation, you know, that type of authority, it was gone.”

So when Peter writes up what he writes a letter, it's called scripture, right? So this is from verse Peter to think about him as having this authority.

But listen to how he addresses the elders. He said, I exhort the elders among you as a fellow elder.

So Peter comes down off of his apostolic authority when he's addressing the elders and the shepherds of the church. You see him, he's coming off of his, his platform. So to speak, and he's coming down to the level of the elders. He's, I'm addressing you as a fellow elder. And then he just exhorts them to be ready. He said, as a witness of the sufferings of Christ as well as a protector and the glory that is going to be revealed. Shepherd, the flock of God that is among you exercise oversight, not under compulsion, but willingly as God would have had you, not for shameful gain.

There's that, don't feed yourself and get fat. That's not the point, but eagerly not domineering over those that you're in charge of, but being examples of the flock. And this I love this part. And when the chief shepherd appears, you'll receive an unfading crown of glory. I love the fact that the way Peter addresses the fellow elders. He flattens that authority structure out. And then he says, we're not here to get fat. We're here to actually prepare the body for when the chief shepherd, the lead pastor comes. There's a lead pastor. His name is Jesus.

When he comes and says, so what is the shepherd look like that's not a false teacher or a false shepherd? He looks a lot like Jesus or what is Jesus look like it's the verse you started with. What did Jesus say? Nobody takes my life. I lay it down. I lay it down by my own will. So a biblical shepherd doesn't look like someone who is consuming from the body. He actually looks like someone who's laying down his life for the body. Sounds a whole lot like Jesus. That's what a biblical shepherd is.

“I think that's good. That's a good word to finish on because we're out of time. And I think that's what John is doing, by the way, Zach in 1 2 3 John.”

He is speaking to them as an elder as well. And that's why he's making these points. So we'll get into it again next time. I'm on a shame. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed Podcasts. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube and be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.