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>> Government number crunchers gave us a flurry of economic data this week. Put together it helps to color in a picture of the ways that Americans are making, saving, borrowing, and spending money. >> And P.R. Scott Horsley and Alina Selju could join us now. >> Hey there.
>> Hello, hello. >> Good morning. So Alina, let's start with you. What's happening with prices these days? >> Well, they're still going up, but not as fast as they had before.
In fact, inflation cooled for the second month in a row in July, which is the latest data that we got this week. So from June to July, consumer prices rose just one tenth of a percent. And that's a reprieve from the sharp pricing crisis we saw in late spring after the US war with Iran began. The cost of groceries actually fell slightly from June to July.
The one big reason was big discounts on lettuce. A supermarket's are trying to get people to buy leafy greens after the cyclist for our cases. Beef prices are still rising, but chicken and eggs are costing less. And then there's the big question of gas prices.
>> The eternal question of gas prices. >> Yes, gasoline prices fell a bit in July, which they also did in June. They are still up quite a bit from a year ago, federal data showed gas prices in July.
We're up nearly 25 percent from last year.
>> And the challenge for a lot of families has to do with a mismatch between what's happening with prices and what's happening with their paychecks. Even though inflation has cooled off in the last couple of months, wage gains have slowed down even more. The job markets kind of stuck in neutral people aren't switching jobs very often.
And so employers are not having to pay as much to attract workers as they did a year to ago. Over the last 12 months, average wages have gone up just 3.2 percent, so even with somewhat tamar inflation, the typical paycheck is buying less today than it was a year ago. And that's a turnaround.
For most of the last three years, wages were rising faster than prices, so people were gaining ground and catching up to the high cost of living. Now that's reversed. >> And I suppose you would expect spending to go down as a result. You would expect that, but actually depending on how you measure, you get different answers.
So this week, we got new data on retail sales, which is spending on cars at stores and restaurants.
And for the first time in months, this retail spending did decline down 0.6 percent from
June to July. But the meaning of it is not so straightforward because this is a comparison month to month. And the biggest drag on that was the fact that Amazon shifted the timing of its big primed day summer sale event, and it shifted to earlier to June, so people did more of their online shopping in June and a lot less in July.
“But then it's important to look also at the comparison from a year ago, and looking that”
way, retail sales were up by 5 percent, which is a bit of a slow down, but not a huge one.
People keep buying more things that are not necessities like gardening suppli...
sporting goods.
“Scott, if Patrex aren't keeping pace with prices, how are people covering their expenses?”
In some cases, they're borrowing, you know, report from the New York Fed this week shows that credit card debt continued to grow in the spring. That's not unusual, and so far we're not seeing big signs of distress, like a jump in late payments. But for people who do carry a balance on their credit card, that is a very expensive way
to borrow. And actually, I want to mention an interesting thing from this week's report by Bank of America, researchers there analyzed spending on the banks debit and credit cards, and what they found is that spending by lower income shoppers actually increased and July, while spending by higher income folks declined, which is a new thing, right Scott?
Well, yeah, it would be at odds with what we've heard about for a long time, the so-called K-shaped economy, which, if you picture a chart, that means upper income family spending more, lower income families tightening their bills. Yet, and so now, some signs are suggesting that maybe the legs of that K-shaped are starting to curve into more like a C-shaped, like the letter C, where folks toward the top of the
income range are maybe starting to spend less while the lower income folks start spending more, you know, curving more toward each other, so far Bank of America called out restaurants as one spot where spending is growing faster among lower income folks than higher income. And we're going to keep a close eye on these spending patterns in the months to come because, you know, consumer spending is such a big driver of the overall U.S. economy.
If people were to really tighten their belts, it could put a brakes on economic growth.
“All right, so any other big takeaways from this week in economic data?”
Well, one takeaway is that families are not the only ones relying heavily on borrowed money. Congressional forecasters said this week they expect the federal government will run a deficit of more than two trillion dollars this year. That's pushing the government's overall debt close to the $40 trillion mark, and just
the interest on all that debt is now the government's second biggest expense, trailing
only social security. And the investors who lend money to the government by buying bonds, they are demanding higher interest rates now, some of the highest rates in decades, and that in turn affects the interest rate that private borrowers have to pay for things like home mortgages. The average rates have climbed to about 6.7% and we know that's been a real drag on the housing market.
So everyone living beyond their means, that NPR Scott Horsley and Nalina Saljuk. Thank you both. Thank you. You're welcome. The U.S.S. George Washington is heading toward the Middle East.
“Other aircraft carrier, the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln, is currently in the region, part of”
the blockade of Iran. It has been deployed for almost nine months now. Secretary of Defense Pete Higgsith says the U.S. can maintain the naval blockade on Iran indefinitely by simply swapping out aircraft carriers. Unusually long deployments are tough on crews and on their families.
And it turns out on the ships themselves. Conditions on board have been deteriorating as the months have dragged on. NPR's Tom Bowman covers the Pentagon. He joins us now. Hey, Tom.
Hey, Ada. Tom, what have you been hearing about? What's been going on with the U.S.S. Lincoln? Well, there was a lot of concern. Ada over conditions.
It's been out to sea for more than 250 days with 5,000 sailors on board. And with logistics hubs under the threat in the Gulf because of the war.
Critical supplies or hampered, reaching sailors.
Everything from fresh food, to male, to care packages. And Ada, this isn't the first time NPR first broke the story on sanitation problems on the U.S.S. Ford and other carrier. Get this a number of toilets or out of commission. What you want to hear when you're aboard a ship and MSNN when others have been reporting
that sailors have attempted to jump from the carrier, Lincoln, which NPR has not independently confirmed. No, no matter what, both Higgsith and Navy officials deny those reports. And here's the other thing. I'm hearing a similar concerns about lack of food, soap, clean water on the U.S.
as boxer, which is also in the region. So again, a lot of concerns from sailors, from their families, about these conditions. I mean, all of this seems like really basic challenges for the U.S.
And the world's most powerful military.
And it's in huge contrast with what we've been seeing with the incredibly innovative use of battlefield tech, like the drones that Ukraine uses against Russia. What does this tell you? Well, you know, with the Pentagon is saying, the laser do to resupply issues. It could be operational, demand, supply chain, concerns.
And also in a war, fuel and munitions take precedent over, let's say, packages from home or some of these other issues. They say, you know, there is food aboard. It's not maybe the best food, maybe, you know, energy bars or corn dogs rather than a decent
Hot meal.
But defense secretary Pete Higgsith has said, these concerns are misrepresented.
“But Navy Secretary Han Kau had a pretty stormy meeting with families of the Lincoln sailors.”
They were like 200 people in this room in San Diego. So they're getting an ear full, really, from family members now as well as sailors. We're now in the sixth month of this conflict with Iran. It hasn't involved boots on the ground. But the changing goals of the war evoke Iraq and the 20 years in Afghanistan, the forever
wars. Don't they? Then some ways, you know, the Iran war is even worse, because in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, or even Vietnam, you could walk out of those countries, just leave and there'd be no economic implications.
That's not the case here with Iran. The straight-up horror moves. Iran still has a great deal of control over that. Before the war, there was 130, 140 ships going through the straight, now 80, it's down to fewer than a dozen.
They have to deal with that problem. You know, analysts, I talk with said, you know, at some point, you're going to have to give a carrot of some kind to Iran. For them to reopen the straight of horror moves. Now that could be allowing them to, let's say, charge service fees of some kinds for ships
going through. It could be, you know, unfreezing some of their billions of dollars and giving it to Iran. But that has to be dealt with. And one last thing I would like to mention, I've talked to Admirals in generals over the past number of weeks, and they say, Tom, we've been studying the straight-up horror
moves for 40 years. If there's a war with Iran, that's the first thing they're going to do, close the straight. But apparently, the administration didn't listen to military leaders and others who have
been looking at this as a critical point.
That's in Paris, Tom Bowman. Tom, thank you for your reporting, you're welcome. We're in the thick of primary season in the midterms, are just around the corner. And that means polls, lots of them, who's up, who's down, just how close is that all important race.
It's the job of pollsters to give us a sense of where we may be heading. But should we necessarily be surprised when a result isn't as forecast? Joining us to discuss the in-exact science of polling is G. Eliot Morris. He's the journalist and statistician behind the news website, Strength and Numbers. Thanks for being here.
Oh, I'm happy to be here. Thanks, Danielle. Now one race that got a lot of attention last week involved Francesca Hong. She was the Democratic Socialist running in Wisconsin's Democratic Primary for Governor. She had a double digit lead in polls and then ended up losing.
So how did the polls get that race so wrong?
Well, the first thing I'll say is that primary polls in general are like pretty bad.
On average, going back to 2014, my colleague Mary Radcliffe and I have done the math. The primary poll is off on average by about 13 percentage points.
“So you should like expect them to be wrong.”
In this particular case, the wrongness of the polls seems to come down to two factors. First, there was a lot of late movement in this race. One survey I helped conduct, which measured preferences among the same people in July and in August, found about 10 percentage points of movement in the past couple weeks of the race. So that would have accounted for a late shift in the polls.
But another problem is Wisconsin in general. And Wisconsin pollsters don't have good data on the breakdown of voters by age, by education or by race. So there's sort of left guessing what that composition of voters is going to be. And that can drive some big misses.
Right. And that race also had candidates in candidates out. I'm sure that contributed as well. Yeah, there was a couple dropouts and those voters aren't just going to disappear. They're going to go to a new candidate.
In this case, the moderate Democratic candidate David Crowley seems to have basically one
almost all of the votes from these dropout candidates who did drop out in the final week of the race. But we only had one survey in the last week of the race to pick up on that movement. So that's going to leave the polling average that everyone likes to look at a bit outdated. Mm-hm. Now to zoom way out here in the media, there's been a lot of coverage of the rise of progressive
Democratic candidates.
“What can you tell me about those candidates' chances today compared with, say, a decade ago?”
Well, the Democratic Party has definitely moved left. And so you're seeing more progressive or in some cases, Democratic Socialist candidates winning key races, such as the police congressional races in New York or in Colorado. But you know, they actually lose some very key races like this one in Wisconsin. So it looks like the Democratic Party having moved left is now more likely to nominate
these progressive candidates, but they're not a lock on the party yet. Right. Now, as these midterms approach, we're all going to be bombarded by polls.
What advice do you have for listeners about?
How to think about polls as the midterms approach?
“Well, polls, the pollsters say, are only snapshots in time.”
So a good reminder for you as we have these remaining crime areas, you know, some states have primaries of latest late September. So they will keep going for a while. Those polls and those primaries can be off by quite a bit. So you shouldn't be surprised if late movement and erase causes those early polls to
air by 10, 15 points. The bigger thing that we care about with polls is what they tell us about public opinion for the public at large, whether or not the people are getting what they want out of Congress, whether or not their leaders are focusing on the right problems. They have the right priorities.
And for the most part, these primary poll misses don't seem to be feeding into any errors that we can see in systematic ways for these more important questions of democracy and democratic accountability. So that is the good news.
Now, in recent years, polling has gotten a reputation not always earned for getting some
big calls wrong.
“I'm curious, what do you think are the real world consequences?”
Either for politicians or voters when the polls aren't as accurate as people expect them to be? Well, I think it's more of the argument for decreasing our expectations for the polls. The average poll is about three percentage points off, even if you're aggregating up a bunch of surveys together.
This is what we call non-sampling error. It's just error that can enter the poll from not knowing what share of the electorate has certain demographic characteristics as older, younger, black, or white, et cetera. And pollsters have to guess about those things. Instead of hand waving away those errors, we should just mentally adjust our expectations.
I argue for the next election and don't be surprised if the polls are off by one or two percentage points on average. But like I say, that shouldn't change how we use them for the broader purpose of democratic accountability and giving a voice to the people. Just don't expect so much precision in our election time.
That's G. Eliot Morris from the News website, Strength and Numbers. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you.
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