The Clancy trial and a split over postpartum psychosis

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The murder trial of Lindsey Clancy ended earlier this month. She's the Massachusetts mother accused of killing her three small children in 2023. Her attorneys are you that she was not criminally responsible for those deaths, because at the time she was experiencing postpartum psychosis. The prosecution said that she intentionally planned the killings.

The trial provoked an intense debate over how we treat the mental health of new mothers.

And ultimately, the jury was unable to reach a verdict.

At this point, I'm going to declare that the jury is deadlocked, and I'm going to declare a misprime. Deborah Becker is a correspondent at W.B.U.R. in Boston. She covered the trial from inside the courthouse in Plymouth, Massachusetts. And she joins us today to talk about the case, the arguments of both sides.

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Deborah, thank you for joining us today. Thanks for having me. So I know you've covered a lot of trials, but I would imagine this one was particularly hard. For those who haven't been following, can you remind listeners about the facts of this case?

Yeah, it's a tough one.

Lindsey Clancy, who's now 36, was tried on three counts of first-degree murder and

diploma superior court for strangling her three children in 2023. Her daughter, Korra, was five years old, her son Dawson, was three years old, and her third child calen was eight months old. The children's father and Lindsey Clancy's then husband, because they've since divorced Patrick Clancy, discovered the children in the basement of their home when he returned from

Aaron's that Lindsey Clancy had asked him to run, he testified for the prosecution and said that is now X-wife had been struggling with her mental health for months. On the day of the killing, he said, when he left home to pick up, take out and stop at the pharmacy, he said he wasn't concerned. Here's part of his testimony when he was questioned by Assistant District Attorney Jennifer

Sprague. Actually, she was having lots of harming the kids, did she ask for help or anything that caused concern? No, she's having one of her best days. One of her best days.

But then Patrick Clancy said when he returned home, he found his wife badly injured in their yard, where she landed after jumping from a secondary window during a suicide attempt, she remains paralyzed from the waist down, Patrick Clancy called 911 and then he found his children strangled in the basement. Now this trail hinged on whether Lindsey Clancy understood at the time, whether killing

her children was wrong or that her mental state made her unable to control her behavior.

psychosis and her mental health was exacerbated by multiple prescriptions.

“Now Reddington claimed that Clancy was in the throes of a psychotic delusion and that she”

should not be held criminally responsible for her actions. But the prosecution argued that she was in control that day. She was able to drive a car they said, communicate with her daughter's pediatrician and the center has been out on errands. They say she deliberately planned to kill herself and her kids.

Assistant District Attorney Spreeg said, Clancy's crimes should be considered extreme cruelty and atrocity, which is required for a first-degree murder conviction. She left them, discarded on the basement floor, like broken toys, because she was not playing the game. Now both sides did agree that Clancy was a devoted mother who was mentally ill, where

they disagreed was on whether her mental illness made her unable to conform her conduct to the law. Deborah, why did they charge her with three counts of first-degree murder and not, you know, a manslaughter?

Well, they never clearly said why they went with first-degree as opposed to lesser charges.

They did say that the first-degree charges were appropriate for this crime, because three children were violently murdered. But the consequence of their decision to try her for first-degree was that this had to be a trial with a jury. In the state of Massachusetts, that's required lower charges can go before just a judge.

And the DA has gotten a lot of criticism because if he taken a different approach, it could have resulted in a judge mandating treatment for Clancy rather than prison time. And this all ended in a mistrial, before we get into the jury's decision making, Deborah,

“could you tell me about the diagnoses at the heart of this case?”

It seems like this case really struck a chord with so many people and had so many eyes on it because of the mental health issues, the defense said that Lindsey Clancy was experiencing it and the fact that a lot of people seemed to think that she was failed by the medical system. Yeah.

Almost from the beginning. This case really turned into an examination of mental health care, especially for new mothers. And it really laid bear a lot of the inadequacies and lack of clarity, really, about what is going on with new moms amid huge hormonal and life changes.

Even the experts didn't agree on the definition of what the postpartum period is. The prosecution said it's up to four weeks after birth, and that's as stated in the DSM. That's the diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders that psychiatrists use to diagnose a patient. And the prosecution maintained that because Clancy killed her children after that four-week

period, remember she had given birth to her third child eight months prior, they said she

was not in postpartum psychosis and prosecution experts said she may have had bipolar two disorder and she was depressed, but not psychosis. The defense of course challenged those experts and then questioned their expertise in postpartum mental health.

“So, what is the difference between depression and psychosis?”

Well, according to the National Institute of Mental Health, depression is a mood disorder. It's generally a persistent feeling of sadness. Postpartum depression is said to happen to about one in seven new mothers. Postpartum psychosis is not as common, occurring in one to two of every 1,000 births. And that's according to the Cleveland Clinic.

And basically, psychosis is losing touch with reality.

And several postpartum experts say it's not well understood, but it can be treated if it's successfully diagnosed. Now postpartum psychosis is not listed as its own illness in the DSM, although advocates are, you know, feverishly trying to change that. I spoke with Dr. Eruj Kamal Heder, who's an academic perinatal psychiatrist about this.

She says more people need to be educated about the symptoms of postpartum psychosis because it's often misdiagnosed. There is a dangerous misconception that the mom has to be hallucinating aliens or sealing her baby. But really, it's the quieter symptoms that we miss.

I also spoke with a mom who experienced postpartum psychosis. Her name is Megan Clifel. And she said one day, when her second child was eight months old, she lost touch with reality. It's wild how quickly it happened and also how, in my case, how logically I was acting,

She said she went to work that day and she was functioning, but her thoughts kept spiraling.

“And I went to sort of from feeling a little off all day to suddenly believing people”

were watching me. And so my brain is essentially taking all of these little details and knitting them together into this new alternate sense of terrifying truth, where in the entire city is out to get me. Clifel says she was hallucinating and she thought that if she proved that she would jump

off the roof of her New York apartment building, she might save herself and her children. She ended up physically fighting with her husband when he tried to intervene. My husband's got our two baby girls in our bedroom and I punch him in the face trying to get to them. I run to the door of our apartment building and say, I just need to go to the roof.

In my mind, I was thinking if I showed I'd be willing to jump from the roof that would

“just showing I'd be willing would prove my loyalty and sort of save us.”

Her husband then called the police. I was handcuffed from the floor of our Lower East Side apartment. My kids were artfully distracted by watching Elmo in our bedroom. She was committed to a psychiatric hospital for 12 days and started taking medication, but it was a while before she got a diagnosis.

It took about two months and only in what I was in the seat of a reproductive psychiatrist for somebody to say you had postpartum psychosis. And that moment of somebody naming it was so helpful to me. And Clifel was successfully treated and went on to have another child. Now postpartum psychosis is what Clancy's lawyer argued that she was experiencing when she

killed her children. The defense pointed out that other medical experts to find the postpartum

“period differently in some cases up to a year after birth.”

Their experts included Forensic Psychiatrist Dr. Philip Reznik. He's an internationally known specialist on the risk of violence and what's known as malingering, meaning someone is exaggerating or faking mental illness. He testified by a Zoom during the trial and he said Clancy was definitely experiencing psychosis.

She was hearing a voice which was commanding her to engage in the killing behavior and she did not feel any sense of control. Now the prosecution called several of Clancy's healthcare providers to the witness stand

and they said they never diagnosed psychosis.

But on cross examination the defense criticized her providers for not managing her care well and not being aware of all of the ways Clancy had been trying to get help from multiple providers. So how was Clancy trying to get help? Well what we heard from the clinicians and her family members and her medical records was

that she tried prescriptions for several medications. She extended her maternity leave from her job as a labor and delivery nurse. She checked into McLean Hospital, a psychiatric hospital for inpatient treatment just weeks before the killings and was released after spending five days there. She went to a day program for our outpatient care but she wasn't eligible.

She went to the emergency room and she called a suicide hotline twice and really what emerged from all of this was that Clancy was responsible for managing a lot of her own care recording her prescriptions, monitoring side effects, finding appropriate providers and while she sometimes appeared fine she would also repeatedly tell her family that she was getting worse. And what was the prosecution's response to that?

Well they argued Clancy had ample access to care but sometimes disregarded her providers advice, switched providers or stopped taking certain medications. They said she wanted to take her own life but didn't want to leave her children. And during this dueling between both sides about her mental state there was a lot of really hard emotional testimony from Lindsey Clancy's ex husband, her mother, her former mother

and law first responders who arrived at the scene in Lindsey Clancy sat in court paralyzed

in her wheelchair, often with her head bowed several times she became very emotional. There were times when court was actually postponed by the judge because Clancy broke down sobbing when listening to details about the children's deaths. And I would say perhaps the most gut-wrenching moment was when the prosecution played

on the ground outside and his children in the basement.

“That audio was not shared publicly but it was played at the trial for the jurors and it”

was very harrowing. And that 911 call is something that I don't think I'll ever forget. I've covered a lot of trials and I don't think I ever cried during a trial. But that call was so disturbing. He was literally on the phone and you could hear him trying to keep his wife stable while

he waited for first responders and then when they arrived he ran in the house and his phone

was still on. He was still on the line with the dispatcher and you heard him discover his children strangled in the basement and he was just howling, it was awful. After the break we take a look at the one-hole doubt juror who reportedly kept the jury deadlocked and the media frenzy and the online conspiracy theories that have surrounded this trial.

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I'm talking to WBUR's Deborah Becker about the Lindsey Clancy trial. Deborah, tell me about the last days of the trial. I saw that the jury returned twice without a verdict and that each juror had an individual conversation with the judge, so like what happened, like how did we get to this outcome? There was a lot of drama. The jurors deliberated for about 38 hours and they weren't able

to come to a unanimous decision. When Judge William Sullivan said he was going to declare a mischrial, Lindsey Clancy's attorney asked for an emergency stay. He asked to have one juror removed.

“I can a defense attorney do that, like why did he ask for that?”

He said the jury for person had reported that one holdout juror of the 12 would not follow the law on reasonable doubt, and that was what was preventing a unanimous decision. So the defense made an 11th hour appeal to the state's Supreme Judicial Court to try to get that juror removed, but a single justice of the high court declined to get involved and the mischrial was declared.

What do we know about what the other jurors were thinking? Well, actually, since the trial ended, some of the jurors have spoken out about what happened. They all backed up the defense claims that there was one holdout. They said one man told the other jurors that he had reasonable doubt about whether Clancy was criminally responsible, but he would not go along with the other 11 in issue a verdict

of not guilty by reason of insanity. So they were left without unanimous verdicts, deadlocked and the mischrial was declared. The judge sealed their names for two weeks, but some of them appeared on camera, including the four person who told NBC 10 Boston that she was frustrated that one juror was actually holding out.

He admitted he had reasonable doubt, and I started filling out the forms. I was so excited. I actually, there were three forms I had to fill out, and I started filling them out. I wrote my signature on each one, and then he said, but I'm still not going to say that she's not guilty by reason of insanity.

Many of the jurors were visibly upset, some dabbed their eyes, or covered their faces,

but Judge Sullivan thanked them for their work during the seven weeks of this trial. I watched every day, day after day, week after week, all of you performing that duty that you praised for.

“So that's inside the courtroom, what about outside?”

How did the public react? There was a big reaction. There are many people who were there following the trial for days, and weeks on end. I spoke to several women who were outside on the day of the mischrial announcement. Sue Hatfield from Massachusetts had been there for several days over the course of weeks.

She was among the folks I spoke with. At this point, it feels unfinished, it feels very anti-clamatic, either way, whichever way it could have been, it's very, yeah.

And this wasn't the first time there was a crowd outside the courthouse, right?

Like, this trial got a lot of attention. Right. A couple of weeks ago, about 400 people, mostly women dressed in pink. That was the color to signify support for Clancy. They stood outside the courthouse, many of them were wearing buttons, saying they were

quote standing with Lindsey, some carried signs saying things like, you're a good mom or the system failed you. The lead organizer is a woman Renee Kimble of Maine, and she said she spontaneously decided to organize the demonstration after watching the trial, and hearing about Clancy's repeated attempts to get postpartum mental health care.

“I think that every one of us women believe that it could be any one of us, any one of”

us who have dealt with mental health, anxiety, depression, postpartum. I think we just know that any one of us could be sitting in her chair, and it should not take part to get to tragedy. There was also a call from counter demonstrators who've shown up at the courthouse here. They say that people need to remember the children who were killed, but the counter demonstrators

were have been a much smaller group than those in support of Clancy. Deborah, why do you think this trial has garnered so much national, and even international attention? Because it seems like this kind of took people like the court and others by surprise. Absolutely.

The proceedings have been live streamed, so people could watch them every day. This case had aspects of the kind of true crime thriller that many people in this country seem fascinated by the media pool included. In the last days of testimony, there were long, long lines to get into the courthouse. I mean, I had to get here before 7 am many days to even get through security before the

court doors opened at 830, and the trial started at 9. The networks have several reporters and producers, there are YouTubers, influencers, documentary

film producers, some networks are said to be negotiating for the first interview with Lindsey

Clancy or her family members. Every day, lots of ordinary people, just members of the public, also we're showing up here to get inside the courtroom. I met women who flew here from other parts of the country just to be inside for the trial. For closing arguments, the court had to set up a special overflow room for the public.

Online, there were so many conspiracy theories, blood, spatter, analyst, all kinds of who don't talk and theories that Patrick Clancy wasn't truthful about what he discovered that night. There's just been so much discussion about this.

“I think it really did sort of overwhelm and surprise people.”

Well, yeah, I mean, I saw a lot of stuff on social media and people with all sorts of theories, but when it happens like that, when you're seeing all these people talking on the internet and coming up with all sorts of theories, it is a space that's right for misinformation. It was astounding to be in court every day and then read what people were posting online.

But it shows how hard it is in this fractured media information landscape to really stick with facts because those things can get repeated and really misconstrued and all over social media. I would say that the attention on this case really got people talking about mental health care across the country.

Deborah, before we get to that, like, was the jury shielded from all of this media

Right.

No one requested sequestration.

“I think no one realized how big this was going to get.”

It feels like the discourse online has moved past mental health into some bigger questions about motherhood, the expectations of motherhood, and how mother should behave. Do you think the straw is going to move the needle on anything, could it change the conversation about maternal mental health and the kind of pressures that we put on new mothers in our society?

Well, I think it's hard to know right now. I would want to point out that Patrick Lancy and Lindsay Clancy's family have filed competing

medical malpractice suits against her health care providers and depending on how those

go, there may be improved care in the future. Many people who've attended or watched this trial say they're energized to work on making improvements in post-paradeum care, and there's been vehement debate at the courthouse and online about motherhood. Some say three children were violently killed and a mother's mental health is not relevant. Others say the expectations of mothers to be the nurturing primary care taker at all times

can really get in the way of moms admitting that they need help. They might worry their children could be taken away, for example, or just feel that they're inadequate because they're having a hard time handling all the changes that come with caring for a new baby. But all the media attention, probably as made a difference, I've spoken with folks from

the group post-paradeum support international at the Massachusetts chapter, and they told me that calls from Massachusetts have increased substantially since this trial began. And I issue one thing also during this trial, a similar case came back into the news. The state's highest court ordered a new trial for Latarsha Sanders, a black-low-income woman who was convicted of killing her two children in 2022.

The high court ordered the new trial because the judge did not allow her mental health records to be presented as evidence, and the same district attorney will decide whether to retry that case as well.

“Wow, okay. So Deborah, what's next in the Lindsey Clancy case?”

So theoretically, there could be another trial. The district attorney has to decide if he will retry the case, and whether it will be on the same or lesser charges, and whether it would require a jury. He could also negotiate a plea deal. Plymouth County District Attorney Tim Cruz says he hasn't decided yet, but he did say his

office is responsible for seeking justice for the three children that Lindsey Clancy admitted that she killed in 2023. And Cruz says he realizes that a lot of important topics were raised during this trial, such as the difficulties getting adequate postpartum mental health care, but he said those are not the issue here. His office's job is to prosecute crimes. And in the meantime, Lindsey Clancy remains in a state hospital pending next steps in

the legal process. If she had been found guilty, the prison could have said her mental health needs were more than they could accommodate, and they might have to keep her in a medicalized unit. If she was found not guilty by a reason of insanity, she'd remain at a state hospital. Maybe the same one she's been at for more than three years, maybe another. And she'd stay there if she was found not guilty by a reason of insanity, but

there would be annual reviews as to whether she could be safely released. And in terms of the attention, this has gotten there is movement underway to get a law passed in Massachusetts to have new moms who are charged with crimes, go to treatment instead of into the criminal legal system. Right now, the only other state that does this is Illinois, and proponents of the legislation say this trial has really increased momentum for the bill to move

forward.

“Deb, I know that this has been a rough trial to cover, but it's such an important topic.”

Thank you so much for sticking with it. Yeah, it was grueling and complicated, and thank you for giving me the time to explore some of the issues here.

This episode of the Sunday Story from Up First was produced by Rene's Vernaski, Leanna

Simstrom, and Irene Negucci, edited this episode. The Sunday Story team includes Andrew Mombo, Jenny Schmidt, and Justinian. Jimmy Keely mastered this episode. I'm Aisha Roscoe

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