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It was supposed to be the best year of their lives. Oh, it's dark. Someone for a drink right now. Until their friends started going missing. There's some thing going on. From executive producer Ryan Murphy, and based on the best selling thriller by Brent East in Ellis, House Terrifying.

In fact, it's the shards now streaming on Hulu. December 10, 2024. The country wakes up to major news in the killing of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. We're going to turn out a breaking news in the fast-moving investigation into the suspect at the killing of United Health CEO Brian Thompson.

“The day before Luigi Manjioni was detained in Pennsylvania on charges of weapon possession”

in forgery. overnight, New York fought his own charges. The 26-year-old was charged with murder. Murder and other charges, including criminal possession of a weapon and criminal possession of a forged instrument. He pleaded not guilty to all state charges. Manjioni was also eventually charged by federal prosecutors and faced stocking charges in that case. He initially pleaded not guilty but,

as he may have heard on Friday, he pleaded guilty to two counts of stocking in connection with the killing of Brian Thompson, and been admitted to shooting him. After that plea, Manjioni's attorneys filed a motion to dismiss his state charges, but, as of Friday afternoon, Manjioni's state murder trial is still scheduled to begin its

“September. He is scheduled to be sentenced in the federal case this December.”

We'll get into any developments on all that in later episodes. But for now, we're going to keep

following this story as it unfolded. So, back to December 10, 2024, when people were first learning

about this case, when Manjioni was first charged by the state of New York. With this new set of charges, Manjioni is formally accused of killing Brian Thompson. He's no longer a person of interest. He suspect number one, and now New York authorities want their suspect back. Ace Ab. So, that afternoon, Manjioni has an extradition hearing. It's the beginning of the process to transfer him to New York's custody so he can be tried there. A swarm of press has made it to

Holidaysburg, Pennsylvania, and waits outside the Blair County Courthouse. It's a massive, gothic-style building with beautiful stonework and sculptures, and a five-story clock tower that stands tall over neighboring buildings. In a narrow alley on the less ornate, backside of the courthouse, dozens of camera crews stand waiting. A white fort explorer would share off on the side, pulls up. Into a kind of back entrance, Sallyport area, ABC's chief investigative

correspondent Aaron Katersky was there. The press already standing only a couple feet away from the police car, inches forward. Police officers crown near the cruisest back door. As Luigi Manjioni shackled at the ankles and wrists, steps out. He's being brought into the Blair County Courthouse. He's in custody. He's ended orange jumpsuit, surrounded by correction officers, escorting him into court, and he sees all of the photographers and reporters who are gathered there to take pictures

of this, and he screams out. In insult to the intelligence of the American people and their lived experience. At that point, the officers kind of grab him a little more roughly and sort

of shove him into the door. With that, America hears from Luigi Manjioni for the first time.

During the hearing, Manjioni's lawyer Thomas Dickie asked for bail, which was denied, and signals Manjioni will fight the extradition to New York City. He tells the press afterwards that Manjioni plans to plead not guilty. For law enforcement, the man hunt is over. The multi-state multi-agency effort to capture a suspect has been successful, and officials are celebrating. Near a city's mayor at the time, Eric Adams

faced times one of the Altuna arresting officers. The video was posted to the New York City mayor's ex-account. You can hear the triumph in their voices.

While there's all this attention on Pennsylvania, back in Brian Thompson's Minnesota home,

“things are quieter. In lieu of a press conference, there's just a piece of paper,”

taped to the Thompson front door. In part, it reads, "Brian was an incredibly loving, generous, talented man, who truly lived life to the fullest and touched so many lives." According to local police and later the Department of Justice, threats have been directed towards his wife and children. One threat claimed, according to authorities, that Thompson was killed because he was profiting off the backs of poor Americans,

that his family should suffer. At one point, police blockades went up around their neighborhood. Brian Thompson's family, including his widow and mother, attended a hearing on Friday, and sat in the front as Manjoni pleaded guilty in the federal court.

“Afterwards, the family put out a statement. Today's guilty plea marks an important step towards”

justice for Brian and for our family. While nothing will ease the pain of losing him, we are grateful that the federal justice system has held the personal responsible for this heinous act accountable. We will continue to seek the justice Brian deserves. The day Manjoni was arrested, back in 2024, the Thompson were quietly saying they're final farewells. A local Lutheran church held the private funeral service.

Even the church became the target of iron. Last Monday, we held the funeral for Brian Thompson, who is the CEO of United Health Care. Additionally, we've also received some anonymous messages from people expressing anger that we would hold a funeral like this. Here's a church leader, speaking to the congregation in the days after Brian's service. We've acknowledged very publicly that the healthcare system needs reform and change. At the same time, acts of violence

against anyone in that system or not are a violation of God's intention for humanity.

God's justice is always restorative, never retributive. Death does not get the last word.

As New York works to get their suspect back, the world fixes on trying to learn everything about Luigi Manjoni. Less attention is paid to Brian Thompson. Less is said about him. Who was Brian Thompson? From ABC Audio and 2020, I'm Brian Buckmeyer, an attorney in ABC News legal analyst, and this is Burton Approve, Luigi Manjoni. Episode 2, BT We have reached out to many people, who knew Brian Thompson. Family, friends, co-workers,

former classmates, former teachers, even the mayor of his hometown. The vast majority of these people did not return our requests for comment or declined to speak with us for this series. Brian had a public-facing role but wasn't a household name or a talking hen. Not the kind of business leader who was often on TV or profile in glossy magazines. You can hear him in United Health Care's earnings calls. Bund up and prepared for questions about profit margins and growth

forecasts. Here he is during a call in October 2023. I think the key point is all of our businesses

in United Health Care right now are really demonstrating innovation and market success at the same time. In a video posted by the Des Moines Register after Brian's death, you can hear Brian giving a presentation in 2022 about how United Health Care is using data to, quote, "develop

“innovative customer solutions." The key to enabling a better consumer experience is to bring”

together all of the disparate single-point solutions and deliver a holistic, simpler experience in a way that ultimately improves people's health. Two days after Brian was killed, United Health Group, the parent company of United Health Care held a fireside chat for employees. Video of it was leaked to an independent journalist and posted on social media. In the leaked video, the United Health Group CEO at the time, Andrew Whitty,

Brian Thompson's boss, spoke a bit about Brian's personality. Some of Brian's colleagues told the Wall Street Journal

humble Midwestern roots. In the fireside chat, Whitty also talked about Brian's legacy.

“A week after Brian's death, Whitty also wrote an op-ed for the New York Times. It included a”

peek into Brian's early life, long before he was CEO. "He was raised in the same Iowa Farmhouse as his mom. His dad spent more than 40 years unloading trucks at grain elevators. BT, as we knew him, worked farm jobs as a kid and fished at a gravel pit with his brother." Brian was born and raised in your jewel Iowa, a town that even now has just around 1,000 people. His mom was a beautician, and his dad, according to his obituary,

worked at a grain storage facility. The obituary also noted that Brian's parents were high school

sweethearts. Brian went to the same high school as his parents. During high school, he is one of

Iowa's winners in a national essay contest and got a free trip to Washington, DC. His teacher told

“the New York Times, "Brian was nervous because it was his first time flying in an airplane."”

The essay contest was covered by the local paper, the South Hamilton record news. It asked students to reflect on how the United States should avoid or resolve international conflict. The paper also ran Brian's full essay. He wrote, "We can't put our world in jeopardy ever again by looking only inward without looking outward." Brian's high school class had just 50 students and he graduated as a valedictorian in 1993.

People who knew him say he was an exceptionally bright student. If you look at his senior spotlight in the South Hamilton record news, you'll see a black and white photo of Brian. He's wearing his class ring. His light brown hair is

“neatly parted and his posture is perfectly straight. Following graduation, Brian plans to attend”

the University of Iowa and major in pre-law. Visit Steve Perrenti, an economist at the University of Minnesota. He crossed paths with Brian Thompson decades after his senior spotlight was published. We asked him to read the piece about Brian. Throughout his high school career, Brian has been in a number of activities. The sports he has participated in include basketball, baseball, and golf. He has also been a member of swing choir, jazz band, and concert band.

In addition, Brian has participated in Hamilton holidays and the fall play. Brian has been an all-state from bonus for the past three years. Also, Brian was recently named a state of Iowa scholar. Brian is currently the president of the National Honor Society and President of the senior class. One of the most memorable moments was being elected to be the 1992 Homecoming King. He has really enjoyed his years at South Hamilton and he feels very fortunate to have spent

the past 12 years with so many great classmates and teachers. By the time Steve met Brian in 2020, Brian had graduated from the University of Iowa with the degree in accounting. Got married, become a father to two sons, and risen through the ranks of United Health Group for about 16 years, almost his entire career. Brian's life was not perfect. In 2017, he pleaded guilty to driving while impaired and was sentenced to two days in jail.

He paid a fine and was required to complete a one-day DWI program.

When Brian was killed, he was living in a million-dollar home in a Minneapolis suburb.

For years, he had been living separately from his wife and children, according to neighbors. But Brian had, in many ways, lived out the American dream. He started on an Iowa farm with working-class parents, excelled academically and professionally, and ended up in a position of immense power and wealth. I'd say that we're really vital colleagues to each other, and we probably would have been really good friends. Steve says he met Brian in 2020,

about a year before he became CEO, and when he was an executive in charge of United Health Care's government programs. At that time, Steve Parenti was part of the first Trump administration's counsel of economic advisors, and he was consulting with the Department of Health and Human Services. During the COVID pandemic, Congress passed billions of dollars in relief for hospitals and physicians, allocating that money was one thing. Getting it to where it could be used and

distributed. That's when I met Brian Thompson. He was a really good friend of the chief of staff

“for the Deputy Secretary of HHS. United Health Group confirmed to ABC News that Brian played a”

leadership role in helping distribute the emergency funding. According to Parenti, Brian said he had an idea for distributing the money. They could use an arm of United Health Group, Optum Bank. Optum Bank has health savings accounts, but also works like a real bank with routing members and the ability to do wire transfers. We'll catch a proposal by tomorrow morning 8 a.m. That PowerPoint was the most beautiful thing you ever saw, because for once you felt

after weeks of trying to make a plan work that this was going to happen and it was going to happen pretty well. United Health Care was contracted by the government for a million dollars to distribute the funds. For the next three months, Steve says he talked to Brian nearly every day as they hashed out a plan, hopping on the phone, exhausted at 7 a.m. I like this whole experience

“to probably the closest and economists is going to have to working in a wartime situation,”

because the intensity of what you are doing is effectively a 20-hour day and you are working with a whole variety of unknowns that you really have not anticipated and you're working with

people that you've never met before. Through it all, Steve remembers Brian having a calming can do

attitude. It's kind of like, you know, when you're flying and there's like a lot of turbulence and suddenly the pilot comes on and maybe it's just the voice or just the way there there's no tension there. You actually feel like this is going to work out okay. The thing that was crazy is easy going, but it was enormously competent. It was sort of like this, it was sort of the best of what you sort of think of like the ultimate Midwesterner. Often bank was used to give billions

of dollars to hospitals across the country. And after that, Steve says his and Brian's work together was over. We never met before personally and we never met after. The wish I knew I'm better

in person, the wish we had a drink, the wish we could have talked about a lot of stuff.

Steve says he's really proud of the work he and Brian did together. He considers it a career highlighting. But critics raised questions about United Health Care's involvement in this. Why was it private and sure getting paid to distribute public funds? Steve had ties to United Health Care through his research at the University of Minnesota and his own private consulting.

“Did that have something to do with why United Health Care was brought in?”

Steve says it did not. Sometimes there's a perception of pay for play, but that's really not the case. As for Brian Thompson, after his work with Steve, he kept rising at United Health Care. About a year later, he became CEO. Steve says that was a huge accomplishment. Is selling that much at such an intense place? If you're not performing, you will not survive. There are folks that have known at United that are very ambitious and it's obvious that

they're ambitious. Sometimes they don't last very long. There are others that are very confident and quiet like Brian was and they rise to the top. Brian Thompson, the calm, easy-going, dumb chewing midwesterner, had reached the pinnacle of corporate success. But the peak had gone to CEO of a huge health insurance company? Eventually, at the time when Brian was killed, some supporters of the Ouija Manjoni felt

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Find and listen to Get Real wherever you get your podcasts and stream new episodes Thursdays on Hulu and Hulu on Disney Plus, turn with a five. When I'll tune up please search the Luigi Manjoni's backpack. One of the items they discovered, according to prosecutors, was a red spiral notebook, which included several dated entries and a letter addressed to the feds. Prosecutors alleged this was all written by Luigi Manjoni.

According to the federal indictment, the writings in the notebook, quote, "express hostility towards the health insurance industry and wealthy executives in particular. Prosecutors release photos of what they say are the writings. The handwriting in the letter to the feds is precise and orderly. The writer even numbered the pages and included instructions for flipping the page over. Back in parentheses with an arrow. In the letter, the writer criticizes

“the state of American health care and compares health insurance companies to the mafia.”

These mafia also have simply gotten too powerful and they continue to abuse our country

for immense profit. The writer mentions United Health Group specifically, saying that it's one of the largest companies in the US. So this massive, massive, conglomerate and touches everybody in so many different ways. This is Wendell Potter. I am a former health insurance company executive. I was vice president of corporate communication set sign up for several years and that was my title when I resigned in 2008.

He resigned after managing what he says was a major PR crisis. A teenager in California needed a liver transplant, but Signa had denied coverage for it. He became a big story in the local media and Signa decided to reverse the decision. But it was too late. Five hours after Signa said he would cover her transplant,

“she passed away. I was really struggling to be a spokesman for the company defending the company's”

decisions and I had turned it my notice. Signa said in an email that quote "the world, health care and our company have each evolves significantly since Mr. Potter worked here nearly two decades ago. We are continually working to improve support for patients and their care and we remain committed to helping build a more sustainable health care model for America." Wendell spent 20 years working for health insurance companies.

Today he is a critic of the industry and writes a newsletter covering it. United health group comes up a lot. Wendell says the company sheer size puts it in the spotlight. It makes up 15% of the entire U.S. health insurance market. It has by far the most people enrolled in health plans than any other insurance. That's another reason. It's just so big. It is grown as big as it is over the course of several

years through just one acquisition after another. It has gobbled up a lot of other health insurance companies and more recent years has featured into and made more and more acquisitions in the health care delivery side. It owns hundreds of physician practices and clinics across the country. It has home health operations, even hospice operations. It has an enormous pharmacy benefit manager called Optum RX. In their statement to ABC News, United Health Group said quote,

"The U.S. Health System remains deeply fragmented and too often leaves people to navigate, disconnected benefits, care delivery, pharmacy, and administrative processes on their own. United health groups capabilities are designed to help make the system work better." Like other major health insurance companies, United Health Group has faced scrutiny over the last few years. There's an ongoing department of justice investigation into a

leg Medicare fraud, which United Health is said they are complying and cooperating with.

practices are among the most accurate in the industry. There's also a lawsuit alleging insider

“trading by executives, including by Brian Thompson, while he was United Health Care CEO.”

United has filed a motion to dismiss the lawsuit and said in a statement that quote, "The company denies any allegations of wrongdoing and intends to defend the matter vigorously." And, there's an ongoing class action lawsuit alleging that United Health Group used AI to wrongfully deny care to patients. United Health Group said quote, "The company denies any allegations of wrongdoing and that medical necessity determinations

are made by qualified physicians, not AI." Claims announced appeared to be the heart of a lot of the public criticism of United Health Care. After the shooting, United Health Group put out a statement saying it pays 90% of claims upon submission. When the powder says the other 10%

“the claims are a sent for further reviewer denied, they can make a big difference to customers.”

That 10% is very, very significant. We asked United Health Group to characterize the 10% of claims that are sent for further review or denied. They said one half of one percent are due to medical reasons. About half are because of administrative errors, and the remaining majority are because of factors like someone not having insurance coverage or duplicate claims submissions. They said when a claim is sent for further review because of an administrative error,

they worked to resolve it with a care provider. The summer before the shooting, people protested outside the United Health Care headquarters in Minnesota over claims denials. Activist targeted United Health Care in Minnesota with at least two protests, staging a sit-in, even carrying a mock coffin. Protesters accusing the company of greed and pointing out Brian

Thompson's 10 million dollar compensation package. That 10 million dollar compensation package

was a combination of salary and stock options, and it made Brian one of the highest paid executives in all of United Health Group. In 2023, the last full year he was CEO, United Health Care brought in $281 billion of revenue. In response to the protests in the claims made during them, United Health Group said, "We understand people's frustration with the healthcare system and take those concerns seriously." The spring after Brian's death,

United Health Group lowered its financial outlook for the year, and that May, Brian's boss, Andrew Whitty resigned. Wendell didn't know Brian personally, but I would listen to their earnings reports on a regular basis so I would hear his voice. When those as he talked to people who did know Brian, and they told him Brian was a nice guy who cared about patients. But Wendell says, as a CEO of a major corporation, Brian's duties would have been to his shareholders. Every employee

“of one of these big corporations, you have an understanding, you have to do your part to make sure”

that the company meets Wall Street's profit expectations every three months. When Brian walked over to the Hilton for the investor's conference, he had been CEO for just a few years. He was

bringing in big profits for United Health Care and overseeing 140,000 employees. Around 50 million

Americans were getting insurance through the company he ran, but most of them had no idea who he was. Until he became a part of the biggest news story in the country. In a sunny California in summer, one family's home is unusually quiet. When detectives walked into that house, they said that it was like time just stood still. It's 2010 and the mixed day family is nowhere to be found. Inside the home, no clear answer where the family could have gone.

Has been wife and two children gone, like poof disappeared. The search for the mixed days, quickly captures the nation. But for years, the search for answers only brings more questions. Who's ever heard of an entire family going this day? A family of four doesn't just drop off the face of the earth with no contact. Is this a family on the run? Or is the truth far more sinister?

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executives circulated online. In response, some companies took down photos of their leadership from their websites and scrambled to ramp up private security for executives. At the United Health Care Campus in Minnesota, fencing and layers of new security were put in place. During the leaked fireside chat, United Health Group CEO Andrew Whitty told employees that the company was working hard to make sure they felt safe in the face of all of this.

He also told them to tune out the critical noise about their employer.

As all of this continued to unfold, Steve Parenti wrote an article about his one-time colleague, Brian Thompson, for the Minnesota Star Tribune. A lot of folks reached out to me from the United that were personal friends just said, "Thank you. We're happy you said this." Because I got the sense that they just felt like they just couldn't. The United has had issues before. There had been protests, but nothing like this had ever happened before.

Where essentially the headquarters suddenly becomes as barricaded community essentially. And I think there was a real anxiety amongst anybody there to say anything. At the time, many comments on videos and articles about Brian's death were unsympathetic.

“Some even suggested he deserved to be killed. Remember that op-ed, United Health Group CEO”

at the time, Andrew Whitty wrote for the New York Times, memorializing Brian Thompson and defending United HealthCare's role in the medical system? It got almost 2,500 comments, mostly complaints about United HealthCare and disdain for Whitty's defense of the company and its former CEO. One commenter said, "Brient Thompson may have been a swell guy, but that's irrelevant. This is about the malpractice of insurance companies."

It's worth noting, many comments like this were posted more than a year before Manjoni's plea on Friday. Based on what authorities have released, Brian Thompson is not named at all in Luigi Manjoni's alleged letter to the feds, or in other alleged writings from

“their red spiral notebook. But that notebook does reference a CEO. As in, quote, "What do you do?”

You whack the CEO at the annual parasitic bean counter convention." What Brian's legacy is to, perhaps, spark a national conversation, but it didn't require his life to be taken. After Luigi Manjoni's federal guilty plea on Friday, United HealthCare put out a statement. Brian Thompson's life was cut short by an act of violence that devastated everyone who knew and loved him. We are grateful to law enforcement for bringing

Brian's murder to justice, and our thoughts remain with Brian's family and loved ones during this difficult time. Brian ended up on that midtown street, heading to an investor's conference, because he was a top performer. He had been a top performer in his whole life all the way from July to the sea suite of a Fortune 500 company. But as a week's go by in December 2024, Brian Thompson fades more and more out of view. All eyes are on the man accused of killing him.

Lesson a week before Christmas, Luigi Manjoni waves extradition. He graced to be prosecuted in New York,

so he's flown from Pennsylvania to New York City, first in a plane, and then in a helicopter.

The helicopter lands in downtown Manhattan by Wall Street, on a dock along the East River.

There's Luigi Manjoni departing a helicopter that had landed in Lower Manhattan, and he is surrounded

“by a cordon of officers. Over a dozen officers, some in bulletproof vests, somewhere in black”

helmets, and holding automatic rifles. The mayor at the time, Eric Adams, the police commissioner Jessica Tish, are seen almost like bubbleheads in the crowd of officers and officials who are around Manjoni as he's escorted in handcuffs down the long wooden dock to a waiting cart to drive him to cord. Manjoni is clean-shaven, and wearing a bright orange department of correction jumps

here. He's expressionless, during the entire slow, long walk down the dock.

Right away, this scene, this cinema brings even more attention to Manjoni.

“Photoscirculate of Luigi Manjoni with his head bowed in the center of all the officers.”

A pop of orange in a sea of dark uniforms and sunglasses. On social media, some users at the time post that Manjoni is iconic. Some compared the scene to a shot from a superhero movie. Others say, "They feel sympathy for him." Later, his defense attorneys described this perp walk as befitting a captured cartel chief or comic book villain. And Clean Manjoni was treated like an orange-clad shackled trophy. Manjoni has pleaded not guilty in his state murder case.

Basically, as Luigi Manjoni arrives in New York, the fascination with him only grows.

He's become sort of a celebrity, a part of culture. Like Brian Thompson, he was once just a high-school

“valedictorian, a top performer, well-liked and full of promise. So how did he wind up here?”

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