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and only consume alcohol if you are of legal drinking age. Come on, I mean, what's wrong with me? Oh, it's the percentage of moisture in there. That's what I said when I came home from college one year, my father asked me that, and I got, I give you, I don't know. He said, no, it's the sweat that accumulates in your balls when you're f***ing your sister alone.

I wrote it, yeah. I think I'm going to buy that thing. That's a good way to start dishes. All right. Okay, hey, welcome, welcome everybody, welcome, Mitchell.

It's better with bourbon here, we're fast-thinking, meet smooth drink and episode five. Today is the 17th of February, 2026, we're in Indiana, Pennsylvania, and the better with bourbon media studios. How you live in today, Bradley? Living good?

Living good, it feels like spring outside. I don't know about golfing. Yeah, right.

First day, above 50 degrees, we've had in probably, it's literally been about six, eight weeks, but I think we might have had one day above 50.

But yeah, it felt like you could run around with your pants off today, just because the sun came out for about six weeks.

“Was that what you were doing on your walk this morning?”

Heck yeah, man. I mean, yeah, the walk was definitely brisk. Today wasn't slow and planting. I was really trying to get it after today. We both have some pencil vending gear on.

What's your gear? Oh, we do. I got this representing Robert Morris University tonight. They got a beautiful new sweatshirt that I just have to, feel like I had to bring on the air.

Thank you, pencil vending for more. So what's the connection with Robert Morris? Oh, a couple good friends, Chris King, one of the long time friends. Also a great friend of any Edwards. That's how I met Chris.

Nice nice. Back in the day and become really good friends with their president Michelle and and got to have cigars here tonight with a few of the, few of the guys that was awesome. Excellent. Excellent.

Getting out. Getting out in the community. Seeing people pressing the flesh. What we'd like to do. Mine's not nearly as elevated.

This is just, you know, everybody's favorite rock and roll station here in D.V. 102.5 to be a D.V.E. rock in the Berg for over 50 years. Yeah. He's got it. Did you call in and win that or what?

No, I just, I, I always wanted one.

I hit about 30 years ago. Yeah, I mentioned to Alicia, like little while ago. I'm like, I never, I was always wanted one. I never had one. Yeah.

Yeah, she actually remembered and picked it up.

“I think this was a, this was like, like a, like a, like a 47th birthday”

president or something like that. Oh, yeah, solid right. Yeah, that's awesome. So, we're drinking, we're drinking this week. We already got the whiskey open this week.

We're going to do a little different. We're going to put the whiskey up front. We are as a reminder. Better with Bourbon is found in around the idea that everything we do is better with Bourbon. We've had a Bourbon every week.

Weeks one and two. We accidentally had the same bottle. Angel's envy. Had to sense. We didn't.

Yeah, maybe he didn't make the cut or our critique of Angel's envy the first time. So we had to do it again. We were so, we were so, so spot on with our craft week one. We actually cut out the Bourbon second. So week two, we recreated that.

Had Angel's envy again. We three rowing Creek, which Eddie brought on. That was a, a new favorite at a really reasonable price point. And then last week, the four roses small batch select, which was. Super yummy.

Yeah, we like that. So, so this week we're doing. The, the Bobby Jones Clover collection. Bourbon whiskey, right? This is, uh, this is a whiskey that is, um, not one.

I've heard of before. I had to do a little dig into it. Yeah. To learn about this guy. Um, would, would we get this one, Bradley?

Well, uh, it was first introduced to me by a really great friend Greg Cepus. He, uh, he'd often travels down to South Carolina. And, uh, it's just, it's actually just stilled up here up north in Indiana.

Bottled and, uh, stored down in North Carolina.

So you can only buy it.

I, I believe in those states.

My correct varies. Uh, I think so. Uh, I ordered that online. So yeah, that's it. So you really can't get this.

They had it to bourbon club last year. Yeah. I think it's not contraband. I thought it would. No.

Okay. Well, I don't think. No, probably not. Still tastes, still tastes. It's still taste pretty good.

Uh, but it has a, has a great golf theme to it. When we talk about the Bobby Jones name, it's much like Arnold Palmer. It's legendary. It's, it's, it's, gentlemen. Uh, it all goes a bourbon, right?

Well, what golf doesn't like a, uh, doesn't like a sip of the 19th hole. I understand that Bobby Jones was, um, known specifically for saying he want to do enjoy three fingers a whiskey. Um, after his after his standard ground three fingers, being of course, that's a healthy poor. So it's a hell looking at, I mean, three fingers is to the top of the ice cube. It is.

I mean, that's, it's, it's, it's a professional. It's a great change for a professional. Dranker. Great standard. Nobody's really going back on that one.

Yeah. Well, and the clover. The clover is, uh, has some symbolism here as well. My understanding is that he had a medallion that was a gift of his dear old mothers that he, carried with him, um, for every competitive round of golf he ever played after she gave it to him,

um, until he quit flying.

“So that's, that's why the clover, uh, which I thought was kind of nice.”

That's, that's an awesome story.

And boy, that was lucky clover since he did one of the first grand slam.

Yeah. I mean, there's the misses chance. You have right? I wonder where that clover is today. That would be out there on the table and for any of you.

Well, this, that's true. But that lucky clover, I mean, that, that, I would like to find that one. Yeah. Here's, like, the leprechaun movie. We got to, we got to find the, find the gold, you know.

What do you get here? Anything, anything notable? Pretty smooth. It's not, it's not hot. No, it's not.

It's very smooth. I mean, it's only what 97 proof. Uh, I'm going to share. Yeah. Yeah.

92. Yeah. 92. Yeah.

It's, it's down on the, on the lower side.

“So it's, it's, it's a nice smooth drink.”

Yeah. It's all about whiskey. That's not, that's not all that hot, but it is. It finishes nice and sweet in the back. Um, and, uh, you get a little fruit, a little bit of spice. Nothing overly chemically.

No. Don't smell, nothing, nothing weird in there like forced floor. I love you. You get somebody like, I get the, uh, truffle and forced floor. Doesn't smell like dirty golf socks.

Yeah, dirty golf. [laughs] It almost tastes like a rye. It's kind of spicy like a rye. Yeah.

Okay. Perry, Perry's a rye drinker. Right. He, he says he's got, he gets a little bit of, a, bit of rye finish in there. Yep.

He, he doesn't get a rye's other things once. We're talking about a rye's or just rye. Rye. Singular. Gotcha.

Well, that's nice. That's nice. Uh, so listen, let's take a drink. Let's uh, stroke the fire. Let's reload on this. Uh, we come back.

We're going to talk maybe, uh, a little bit of sports, a little bit of AI this week. Well, we definitely have to talk about sports. We got the Olympics in full gear. And it's, it's time to get caught up.

Yeah, and we got, we get a very special, very special, um, special guest this week, body of mine who is, uh, as far as we know it, the world's foremost expert in curling that is not already working on TV this week. Uh, it's going to come on and educate us on, uh, the ins and outs of, of curling. Um, Jordan Paul is going to be joining us from the nation's capital.

Our first dial-in guest. Yeah. Better with Bourbon. Fantastic. Okay. So we're going to take a break.

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We're going to talk a little sports today, huh? Oh, you want to start with golf? I think we should start with golf. There was a big weekend in golf. Yeah, so this week in the PGA tour, Torstop AT&T, Pebble Beach Pro M,

which is obviously at the links with Pebble Beach. I was fortunate enough to get to spend a few days at Pebble Beach in November.

It was awesome.

It's not going to lie. That's right. You did get out there every time.

“Yeah, and anytime you get to go out there,”

it's awesome, particularly when it's on somebody else's dime. But you can imagine how that must have felt for Colin Moracala, who won after a two and a half year hiatus. He had won two and a half years. I didn't realize that.

But it was especially sweet for the Moracala family, because they had just announced they have a baby on the way. Very special. Yeah. And the way I thought the bigger winner was Keegan Bradley,

and his amateur partner. Right, yeah, what's funny? Mary Meeker, did you, I actually just funny you said it. So Moracala, 3.6 million for the win. Maybe more interestingly, Keegan Bradley and his partner, Mary Meeker,

when the pro am. So I had some questions about this. Yeah. Who is Mary Meeker? Yeah, thank you, Cardi.

That's great. So yeah, Mary Meeker is 90's internet guru. She was a big time at Morgan Stanley back when web1.0 was going public and it does significant work on Google Amazon and NetScape deals when she was part of the investment bank there.

Then left. And joined VC firm, Kleiner Perkins, and started doing this thing called the Internet Trends report, which is essentially like a newsletter for Silicon Valley. She sang along, can we hook her up with low?

Yeah.

Always the question, right?

Yeah, I mean, we're the call. Maybe I'll let it, we're going to send her a taxi. We know what time she'll pick up the phone. Anyway, so she, but yeah, Kleiner Perkins, she has her hands on everything.

Spotify, Airbnb, Square, Instacart. I mean, so yeah, so I was also interested in understanding. I mean, so I guess very respected. Yeah, I don't know what the connection was between she and Keegan Bradley, other than they both have double ease in their name,

Meeker and Keegan. Yeah, but he, so he finished 29th, which is good for a cool 125K for him for the weekend, which isn't bad. But after the duty text and California. (laughs)

Was the net equation on that? Yeah, right. I wanted to know what did he pick up for winning the proam. I thought it would be something more impressive than what it was. Any guess, Perry?

“What do you think they tack on his regular paycheck?”

125K. What's he get for winning the proam? Yeah, no, it's 15 grand. 15 grand. The pro doesn't pay the profit just to give him.

Right, seriously, 15 grand? It probably has to stay underneath the amateur level since it's really kind of playing with an amateur. I guess, but I mean, but she is definitely just ladies. I know amateur, she is above all the way around. She's really, she has a golf game which I love.

She probably makes more than that in one hour. Probably, I mean, seriously. She's right, she's taken a hit coming out playing for the day. But just visiting back on what we talked about last week. Remember Chris got her up one last week.

Yep. Second win, hottest player in the game. So Thursday opens up at Pebble. Dude shows up after winning last week and birdies six and a row. Yeah, that's called the hot streak.

I mean, you're on fire. I mean, this kid obviously is in the zone, which

God, I've never been there.

You know, then maybe once or twice in basketball, and that was like a fluke, but to be there in that zone, and he has an Indiana connection too. Do you know that? No.

So Matt Huluda, a good friend, Chris Huluda's son, played at Rutgers and sort of got her up and they played together. Oh, okay. And so, you know, it's really cool to see, you know, that that one degree of separation coming into play,

and now making a huge splash on the PGA. Homeboy is number five in the world rankings. So here's two. Well, and Matt could be right there too. I mean, he's that good.

He is really good, you know? It's just that sometimes it's timing. We've got to bounce this way when blows this way. Yeah, that's right. Which that one it is.

So here's two here's two our friend, Chris Conrup. That's right. There's another story that we have to talk about too. That came out of golf. Yeah, what else you got?

And it's, it's more of a, one of those feel good. And he played really good golf. I'm not trying to take away the fact that he played great golf because he beat, you know, Bryson and he beat John Rom, shot 2300, but Anthony Kim.

But you're talking live. Yeah, I'm talking live. Yeah, I know. It's not the, I know it's not the traditional tour, but, you know, he, he disappeared from the,

Hey, you're right on camera. He, he disappeared right from.

“Yeah, that's what you got for having, he disappeared for a distance.”

Just like our club, we're disappeared off the script there. Yeah, the permanent parameters for the same thing. Yeah. And you know, he was having some hard, he was having struggles. He hasn't come out and said exactly what he had.

He said he has some addiction issues. He was, he was, you know, fighting that. He said some of the folks that were closest to him were taking a band. And so he fought back. And, and he really kind of went dark for a while.

And he fought back, came back onto the live tour that was his first.

Maybe his only ability to come back and play golf at that point.

Because the PJ may have been out of reach. And here he is. One of his very first golf shots on the first tournament back was a shank. And he's a big believer in the 1% getting better, 1% 1%. So, you know, you got to wonder if there's space for him in the,

in the master's of his, if he's, if he's got gotten all the way back there. Yeah. Well, and that's one of the questions that's floating around today. Yeah.

“And you know, it does, does he have an income to qualify?”

So, let, let's see, maybe it does. And I would like to see him, you know, playing on the big stage with, with everybody. Well, that's not, that's so blessed thing. Thanks for bringing it up.

I always point out how much money everybody made.

Bradley here brings it back down to earth that you're playing. Well, he made 4 million. It wasn't, it wasn't like it. Yeah, right. I don't believe it had the California tax either.

He was done in Australia. He is so much sure what that means, but. All right. So, a Olympics, right? Metal count, metal count so far in the Olympics.

We got Norway. And this is gold silver bronze. 1379 for total of 29 Italy home country. Best showing ever for a home country in the winter Olympics. I've come to understand eight gold for silver 11 bronze total of 23.

USA comes in third with six eight five for a total of 19. Remember, I set up kind of a straw man USA against Canada when we started early on. Canada is not even in the top 10. They're, they're three gold four silver five bronze for total of 12. They're not even not even in the top 10, which is, which is weird.

Canada's having a rough, a rough go. It's going to come down to the hockey. Yeah, it's going to come down to the hockey game, really. It's going to be, that's going to be our, they're pretty. Wouldn't it wouldn't it be awesome if we could just get in position

to just play spoiler? I mean, it's just, I mean, that's obviously where everybody's going right now. But I was shocked that Sydney got the captain of the Canadian team.

“Well, I mean, I mean, he, I mean, he's, yeah, right, you were shocked, right?”

Okay, right. Well, there was some, that was actually some controversy there because of, uh, uh, a comic-David, a lot of people thought, but I mean, that's not the criteria that you used to choose the captain. It's character, leadership, things like that.

It was nothing against MacDavid.

Yeah, MacDavid would never, he would never allow himself to be called.

And Musk and if, uh, if Sydney were playing. Yeah, agreed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So these guys, those guys get it right. Yeah, yeah.

That's the difference between them and all the others. They're solid. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. Yeah.

Well, I mean, he's, that was, that was the line. Yeah, right. He's definitely all pro, uh, all pro and a mustache department. I had, I myself had a really great shave today. I don't know if the lights, um, I was, again, I was, I was, I was motivated by, uh,

that that skating kids, uh, skin care regime. I was trying to try to duplicate that. Yeah, I can't quite get it. I can't quite get it. Did you reach out?

No, I mean, he's busy right now.

“I mean, he's still, he's still, I think there's still over there.”

Hey, there's funny thing. Speaking of still be over there. Were you aware that, um, that, uh, they ran out of condoms. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Did you get some of the stats on this? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

They had, no, they had, okay. In Paris, they had 300,000 condoms allocated. And now that's, no, granted. That's summer Olympics and bigger teams. But Italy's trying to save money.

Only 10,000 condoms. That's all they give. Yeah, they ran through that in the first three days. Yeah, that was gone the first night. So the house, that was the happy old camp to condoms.

Yeah, right? Is it like a competition or what? Is that a, is that a metal event? Like, can you with a metal event? No, no, but you know what, it's funny.

As if it's either, you know, you, you, you, you definitely know that somebody was like, hey, I think there's a shortage. So then everybody else is like stocking up just in case. Right. So you know, are, we're going to talk about our curling team.

You know, our curling team has got a lot of like nerd star power with them. I bet you those guys knocked up early because they knew they weren't going to be done until late. But we'll come back and talk about them in a minute, right?

I just think the next Olympics in about 20 years is going to be amazing.

The winner Olympics, that is. Yeah, why? Because there's no condoms. [laughs] Okay, so a couple other fun, fun facts about the Olympics so far.

We mentioned Breezy Johnson and her gold medal before, but great name. Come to find out that her, her boyfriend apparently proposed. Hey, her after she, you know, was like right there on the, on the, on the off the, off the metal stand. Yeah, that's beautiful. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's a good timing. Yeah, is there any better time than when you're coming off with gold? I mean, I guess not. I hope that I'm, she said yes. But apparently he, he's a swifty or, or she's a swifty.

And he had the, the words, who are we to fight the alchemy on the, on the, on the, on the, the wedding band, right? So, uh, no word of a preno? Right. Yeah. [laughs]

But, uh, for all you swiftys out there, just, just, just no, um, give me me behind them all. You know, it's not lost on me anyway. You give a, you've a favorite Taylor Swift song? No. I don't want to.

[laughter] Hey, you will soon. Because some of some of them are really good. You're going to shake it off every now and again. Okay, so, uh, what else respond?

Uh, this is great men's giant slalom skiing. Turns out a Brazilian guy won. Who'd have figured that, right? Brazilian dude wins giant slalom? I mean, how, how do they sell areas?

How do they, like, do they, they don't have snow there, do they?

But, I guess they're not.

I mean, maybe I'll put it.

I think I don't think it got my friend.

“They're not like, uh, like ski resorts and Brazil, I wouldn't.”

[laughter] It is very athletic. I mean, they figured it out real quick. Well, that was fun. And then we also had another one.

You, you've heard this guy Benjamin Carl. Yeah. Um, this was this guy, um, solidified. He's the oldest gold medal winner in history at 40 years old. Um, he won this thing called the Parallel Giant Slalom,

which apparently is a snowboarding event. Hmm. But, uh, took his took a shirt off and rolled around in the ice, uh, you know, 40 to celebrate the fact that he's the oldest. Well, I'm sure our listeners, the oldest gold medalist,

our listeners, I'm sure listeners have seen that, that Perry entered the double loose and decided to, Yeah, we rewrote the rules and tried to, and tried to figure out the aerodynamics that gives them, you know, the cutting edge.

It turns out face to face works best. A little bit. Yeah. It's team play, you know. Well, I mean, we call Missionary.

Is that a new event totally or is that just a variation on the same old? I don't know. Same old. It's made up Brad. To man up made up Brad Martner event.

Right. Exactly. Well, so, so how about this, uh, the French judge who, uh, who pulled the shenanigans in the, uh, a high-stancing, the French judge bombed our, our, our,

our Americans, uh, I guess, the show. Yeah, right. But, uh, did you, did you hear about this? Um, apparently the, the French judge, um, overscored the French pair, that won the gold and underscored the US pair that won the silver, um,

and apparently this happened in the world championships as well. And they still invited, uh, that's ridiculous. It's time to bring in AI judges. Well, actually, that's not a bad idea.

“I mean, honestly, I, you know, why, why would you not, right?”

Why, why do we still have humans calling balls and strikes and, uh, MLB? Right. They're the same player right there, right? So it's so high. And it's so easy to fix.

Oh, yeah, it's always, right, totally.

So I don't know. I mean, it's, it's, I mean, does having a human, line judge, make a tennis match, a tennis match, or not event like, is it, is it, with the game be different if there were no Empire stand-in back there?

Would you still have an Empire in there just to set the visual for the picture? I think. I used to watch tennis in the 70s just to watch Mac and roast Scrave at them. So the answer is no. It was a short short card.

Yeah, I know. Yeah, but I mean, ah, I should absolutely be judging these things. I mean, they're so subjective. Yeah. And there's, there's too much in the line.

There is a sponsorship dollar yours. And we got, yeah. And all of one says yes. And you can go across all sports on that. You can go across, you know, basketball, you can go across football.

Dolly baseball. It all can be now a geo fence to into the, the,

“the I space and figure it out, you know.”

Well, I, you know, some of the, some of the performance, um, from the NFL, uh, NFL, roughs this year, uh, would call for a, I smoothly as possible. I mean, I just, well, not just, it's not just the fact that the rules change every year.

What's the catch? What's not a catch? Yeah. What's illegal contact? What's not illegal contact?

What's a personal foul? It's not, I mean, just set some damn rules. And let's live by them for a couple of years. What we trash. And then you think that the quick review by, or the automatic review that was going up was going to fix it.

And someone in a dent. So you, you still feel as a fan that there's so still some subjective play and, you know, I'm going on. And that's, it doesn't leave you with a good feeling, especially if you're building on the game. Yeah, right.

Yeah, totally. And now that we're going to bet on everything, apparently, forever. Uh, again, some questions about, uh, some of these odds markets bets. People are starting to ask the same questions we're asking. Um, we're going to have to do a deeper dive on some of the calcium.

And, uh, uh, uh, and the like some of the odds market stuff. Because I don't really know that much about it. And I want to trash it just by nature of the fact that it's not going to bond guy. That should so ultra regular list, let's dedicate an episode to it. Well, yeah, well, yeah, we'll come back and do this.

But okay, so big oneer for the Olympics so far. Who knew who Jordan Stoltz was two weeks ago? No, but they do know. Yeah, it's got some, yeah, right. Wisconsin proud there.

Oh, Wisconsin. That's another Wisconsin, Wisconsin shot. That's good. Well, this good 21 years old. He's definitely going to come away from the Olympics with one of these major sponsors.

Right. I mean, and if it's like, he's, uh, apparently he's like, as middle American as it gets, he's reliable, nothing flashy about him. He drives a car with 300,000 miles on it. Apparently it's an old Honda.

So he's like, he's now been like rolled in to like the Honda. Yeah, he's a real conservative with everything he uses. He, uh, you know, he even still is using that same condom.

He started with the first night.

He's the one that took all 10,000. Let's hope that doesn't flash back on all. Okay, so you said you said he's from Wisconsin. You're from Wisconsin. Yeah, you know, who else is from Wisconsin?

Who's that? This is great. Great segue. My man, Jordan Paul, who is, um, our, our resident curling expert. Well, that makes a lot of sense.

You know, why, why the ice and why the, uh, the passion. Yeah, right. So thankfully, he like you, Jordan, um, escaped, uh, his home state, um, and is actually a rather worldly, uh, mother of these days. Uh, there's, there's, there's nowhere he hasn't been.

But, um, when we come back after a quick break, we're going to dig in on curling specifically, some of the controversy around what's happening with, uh,

With, uh, those Canadians, and, uh, you know,

not only learn about the game, but get some predictions on what's going to happen

with some of these gold metal matches, yeah. Cheers. All right, we'll be back with Jordan in a minute. [Music] What happens when work disappears when money dissolves?

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little freedom, Amazon best selling author, Bradley J. Martinoe reveals the world we're stepping into. A world where your reputation is computed, your opportunities are filtered, and your identity is shaped by systems that know you better than you know yourself.

This is not science fiction, this is the operating manual of the future forming around us right now.

“If you want to understand the forces that will define power,”

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Alright, and we are back, better with bourbon, we're fast-thinking me smooth drinking. I was lost there a little bit, I was looking at Perry's bunny ears. They were mesmerizing.

It happens every show. [Laughter] You guys might notice we have those of you who are watching visually. Notice we got some new equipment on here.

It's just this thing's becoming the never-ending.

We have a headset on. You have two on. Don't you can't you enjoy the sound? It sounds so much better. This is what I saw.

When I hear whenever it's remarkable. Feel like I'm Prince's Leah. So we left off noting the state of Wisconsin, Brad is originally from where? Wisconsin.

Yeah, what would tell? I was bored. Yeah. Did me a ton of work with her? Yeah, right?

[Laughter]

We're never going to get there.

If I keep going this down this fast. No, I was born in Shabilligan. My family is from around the Elkart Lake area. Got it. That's an elementary school in Kiel.

That's a very small offshoot. Okay. Beautiful, beautiful country out there. I want to bring in my other great friend from the beautiful state of Wisconsin. Jordan Paul who is a resident of the district of Columbia these days.

Long time beltway and cider.

“I think the term Jordan, do we got you there?”

Can you hear me? Yes, I'm here. Self describes swamp monster. That's what you're doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So a little bit of background on Jordan. Jordan was a grad of Wake Forest with me and the rest of the the Occupella team. Although he was not part of the Occupella group. He was like fan number like two or three. So he was one of the glimmer in the rows.

When he said all the flowers came down. Yeah, exactly. One of the number one fans. Yeah, so it didn't end there. I mean, when I was homeless, Jordan took me in.

You know, he has fed me Jordan is possibly the the best red individual I've ever met. And just from a sheer intellectual horsepower he operates on a different level. So when I knew that we needed somebody to come in and kind of describe something that is as complicated as curling. There was only one man for the job given both his place of birth and just general cognitive capabilities. So his Wisconsin background definitely fits that mold.

Yeah, I can understand that and you said he also has a passion for curling. So I'm interested to hear in learn.

“Jay, what do you got? Tell us about your passion. How does your passion for curling start?”

Well, curling. So I'm from a very small town in Central Wisconsin. Even though it was a small town, we had three curling rings. So we would, you know, part of, you know, fizzed, you know, occasionally in the winter. Was, you know, go to the curling ring. My cousin actually grew up across the street from a curling ring. So I've been around curling.

Most of my life. And you know, curling recreationally is a great fit on the better with Bourbon podcast. Because it's really an excuse to drink, you know, every curling club has a bar. A lot of a lot of people, you know, drink while they play. I think that's become less of our reputation. Now, the curling is bigger. You know, use bills smoke in the curling ring.

I think that's probably, I think that's probably passed. But got to keep a little bit of it. That's not that different than that in the Midwestern bowling league. Yeah, right. You're talking to our language now.

Right. So, so you as an officianato of, you know, I think I mentioned in the prior podcast. You, like, when we had questions about middle age man activity slash sports, it was kind of a, you know, up in there between you and Corona.

Like, if there was a rules question, like, would you have the answer?

Would Tommy Corona have the answer?

Would Nick, this stretch from like things like curling and golf to bowling to ping pong to shuffle boards. Exactly. You know, and none of us have gotten into more shoes. That's probably coming. That's right.

So, so this is, you know, this is not a joke.

“The competitive fires, you know, can be stoked, something like curling, right?”

So, tell us about a little bit about the game. Like, I don't really understand the game. It seems like there are sets or kind of frames or endings or whatever the fuck. What, tell, how do you score what's the basics? So, it originates like most great things in Scotland.

So, Scotland's given us golf, curling, and the television, which is, you know, pretty good. Great culture. Right. You know, you know, pretty good start to contribute into a, you know, 21st century culture. I will drink to that.

But it's traditionally played with eight stones per team. There are thrown each end. Okay. And they've changed the rules slightly to make the game more enjoyable for everybody.

And so, what you do is, you know, the first person leads off and they generally, they throw one down there.

And you're not allowed to knock that stone out until after four stones have been played. So, you get a little action before you start banging things around. Yeah. That's actually really good. Thanks for clearing that up.

Keep going. That's, that's helpful already. So, you can't knock it out until four stones have been played. Good. And so, until four stones are played.

And then, you know, the, the beauty of curling is, is the simplicity of the game. Is there's a button and you see, you'll see a little dot and it's got the Olympic logos around it. And whatever stone is closest to that gets a point. And you can have, you know, up to eight stones.

You know, you can score up to eight. That's, that doesn't really happen at the highest levels of the game.

“But generally, the team that goes last has the biggest advantage, right?”

Because they throw the last stone and the team that goes last is to have the hammer. And they're expected to win one, two or three points depending on how the end plays out.

How do they end the hammer and score?

It goes to the other team. And then they play for 10 ends. And at the end, they add it up and you see who wins. But it's, it's like golf and that it's a gentleman's game. And so, you could not play the ninth end or the tenth end.

You could say, you know, I'm too far down. Shake hands games over. The players largely officiate themselves. Right. You know, if they, if they kick a stone or if the broom hits a stone.

They call, you know, they say, ah, you know, I hit the stone and you know. And then the two, two teams just adjudicate how they want that handle. They can move this down back. They can remove the stone and the teams kind of officiate themselves. So that became controversial.

Yeah, right. So should we listen in the small world of curling. There was some controversy. Should we ask about that now? Since it's timely.

So what the hell happened with this thing where the Canadian yelled. Fuck you with the. No, man. He said go fuck yourself. Go fuck yourself.

I watched the whole video. What an uncanny and thing to do on the biggest stage. I didn't even follow up with a. Yeah, that's right. Was it was it over the controversy of him?

Yeah, this was double time. So Jordan, what what the hell's a double touch?

“And why would somebody do this on the biggest stage for, for curling ever?”

Well, the Canadian, uh, cheated. That's why he was angry. He cheated. Okay. So that's why I don't recognize that.

And I don't know curling rules because I'm figuring when he leaves your hands. You can't touch it again. It's kind of like the double hit a golf used to be. Yeah. Even though now we can double hit as many times as you want.

Oh, it'll hold. So what was he trying to do? So, you know, the one thing you can't do in curling kind of like I was saying before, is you can't touch the stove. So when you, when you, when you throw the stone,

you hold it by the handle. And then yeah, you turn it out or you turn it in or he throw it hard down the ice. Depending on the kind of shot that you want to play. But you don't touch the actual stone itself. You're just touching the plastic handle.

Right. And so homeboy did that on purpose to gain an advantage, you think, yeah? Well, he did because he could evaluate, I think, after he released it. How much more he needed to add to it. Yeah, exactly.

So a little bit more. If we should slap additional tariffs on the Canadian. We can cover that. Yeah, I'm sure they're coming. We'll get to that point shortly.

Yeah. Keep going. But they're not even a top 10 right now. So it would just be pounding on them. But he was, you think he was trying to gain advantage by touching his,

you know, his little, his little, his little people share a cover. He's touching his stones. I mean, on the on the stone. Yeah. It's, it's hard to believe that he wasn't trying to get an advantage because there's no other real reason that you would do it.

Yeah. And, you know, but the thing about it is is curling isn't really efficient. So nobody could, you know, he was accused of doing it. And he was definitely doing it. But there wasn't an actual umpire or referee.

Well, maybe we just created a new job. Looking at the game. Yeah, we just created a new position.

Is that Sweden they were playing against?

Yeah.

“Because the story I read said that he, that the two guys that were trading verbal jabs back and forth are friends.”

And like that they've known each other for years.

But but obviously the tension got the best of at least the Canadian because the Swedish guy was pretty melalty. It's like, hey, you know, we saw you do it. That's on video. Wow. Could you imagine.

So that's really interesting. And I guess these guys. They're playing against each other. And they're all romancing the stone. Right.

But if you're not playing in front of cameras, nobody would ever, nobody would ever call you on your bullshit. If you were just doing that like. That's true. Yeah.

Right now. Yeah. Could they just throw their beer right? Yeah. Yeah.

You have to agree on the fault. And you kind of have to declare it yourself in the game. No one's really officiating the game. Well, it's time to bring the officials in. Okay.

So so Jay that joused was, how would you?

“I mean, like, how would you characterize the just a verbal outburst by one, two countries that are known for their their manners?”

But two on on this stage is this just a matter of pressure? Is this like normal for curling?

We've just never seen it before.

Not normal. I mean, there is some depending on the players you can. You can definitely run your, you act a little bit and curling your state. You're standing right now. I'm not a bad guy.

I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. Sarah comes and says, "You're talking about what's on your brain." "You're talking about how to bring the officials and the officials and the officials." "But you're a crazy guy."

"You're talking about the minorities who want to take us." "You're talking about the work you're going to pay for the things you're going to pay for." I'm Sarah. And I'm not a bad guy. And I'm looking for my own way in your state.

I live Sarah live. And I'm just looking for my own way in your state. I'm just looking for my own way in your state. I'm just looking for my own way in your state. I'm just looking for my own way in your state.

I'm just looking for my own way in your state. I'm just looking for my own way in your state. I'm just looking for my own way in your state.

I'm just looking for my own way in your state.

“I'm just looking for my own way in your state.”

I'm just looking for my own way in your state. I'm just looking for my own way in your state. I'm just looking for my own way in your state. I'm just looking for my own way in your state. I'm just looking for my own way in your state.

I'm just looking for my own way in your state. I can't wait to do this. I'm just looking for my own way in your state. I'm just looking for my own way in your state. I'm just looking for my own way in your state. I'm just looking for my own way in your state.

I'm just looking for my own way in your state.

“That's right. That's why they play the game.”

Your span of knowledge is vast. I'm very appreciative of you sharing everything you know with our audience.

Here's what everybody really wants to know.

Who is the hottest guy in the game right now in the curling game? Who's the hottest chick? I was watching Team Italy yesterday. Yeah, that's the answer. That's it.

The chick that's played against the Americans, the mixed doubles. The Italian gal that's from Cortina. Yeah, she's really cute. Yeah, definitely. Okay, good.

Cardi has something to do with the chip. Oh, shit, here we go, this should be. I just were thinking, you know, you're asking about curling and who the good looking gal's are. Everything from the skiing to the speed skating.

Yeah, everything. And these all these babes and these tight uniforms. I mean, what's up? I have to do everything to, I mean, I want to say, Boy, I'd like to.

“And I can't because my wife sitting there.”

I mean, come on, curling?

No, no, no, you guys are watching the wrong events. Hey, more attention to the curling. We'll watch that. I wonder how Cardi's feeling about looking at Perry's long legs and those fishnet stockings in 13 studios. And you don't know why he's not sitting here.

You don't know what's going on behind the table here. Jordan, listen, anything you want to, you want to leave Brad and Perry with in parting. I mean, I doubt this will be the last time we talked to you. No, we're not going to have him back.

I mean, we could cover all kinds of stuff with Jordan. What are you talking about? Jordan Perry is interested. What else could you talk to? Well, I think we should do it.

I mean, curling is the most interesting. Of course. I love it. It's a great sport to watch. You wouldn't think watching something that moves that slow would be that exciting until they get those little brooms out.

Chest, chest, while standing on the end. I love it. My hope for better with bourbon is that in the 2030 winter Olympics in France. The better with bourbon has a hospitality house for people who appreciate the curl. We'll be awesome.

We're working on it, buddy. Yeah, we'll definitely have to do that. And you'll have to have you there. He'll be a resident. Yeah, he's going to be a resident.

He's going to be a resident. He updates as they go along. Call an expert. That's right. Exactly.

The podcast from there, you know, people will and curling by far is the most popular sport with, you know, CNBC Fox Business, you know, they love everybody loves the curling. I didn't know that. We got, we got, what's up, Cardi? We got Cardi Cardi.

All right. Jordan, um, listen, we insist that you come up to Indiana Pennsylvania and, uh, and party with us at some point. That's great. That's a great experience in the world. And yeah, we want you to come up here.

We really, really do. And, um, if you don't, um, you know, deacon's already given me your dress. I'll like your damn house. So get up here. That's what we're going to do.

“That's what we're going to curling stunts.”

So Jay, we might have to, when Tyler comes up, uh, Yeah, um, for the, for the, for the annual emotional, yeah, the invitation. You might have to, but then I might have to hop in. Yeah, you might have to hop in. And we would have to cool.

I mean, I mean, looking forward to it. Yeah, Pennsylvania misses you, brother. Um, and hey, um, thank you, thank you to your misses for, uh, given us the, the time you've given us. Yeah, best of care. Yeah, thanks Jordan.

You got it. Thanks for your time, Jordan. I appreciate it. So should, uh, should we, should we come, uh, take a break? Come back and, uh, sign the sky off?

Yeah. Yeah, we'll take back. We'll be right back. Cheers. [Music]

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The Bourbon Barometer is falling, which means our BAC is rising cheers. We want to talk a little bit about anthropics. Since we haven't really talked much business today, there's been some headlines about anthropic raising a little bit of money recently. There's been a little bit of chatter about their CEO.

He's a bit of a cook, a little bit of chatter about their product and how it's different from others in the marketplace. I kind of relate this to you. Yeah, you like it. I do.

You know, he's e-dario? Yeah, because I actually wrote an article on how ASI could take over the world. Well, hold on, before it looks like he gets down that path. Well, so anthropic is a company that has a large language model.

“That is a competitor to OpenAI's chat GPT and Google's Gemini, right?”

Very rightfully so since Dario came from OpenAI and did number two and number three for OpenAI. That's right. Okay, right. So Dario is an engineer, Stanford trained engineer comes from a biology background instead of a computer science background, but he was at OpenAI and was the guy responsible for their version two and version three releases.

They're now in version five, right? But he has a little bit of a different personality. And he had some differences with Sam Altman, right? Who is the guy? If you remember, we told you about Sam Altman earlier.

He runs OpenAI. Thanks, buddy. Oh, yeah, nice, nice. So here we go. So Sam Altman was kind of, he was kind of,

He was a member that we're going to need. Yeah. He was kind of Silicon Valley salesperson number one and was push, push, push, push, push, push with AI. Well, we're about the safety after we have a problem kind of mindset. And Dario was the opposite of that.

He's the guy who always wants to step on the brakes and say,

“We need to understand it before we take it to production, right?”

And I can relate with Dario on that because I feel like we all should be stepping on the brakes before we go too fast because what we're dealing with AI is very impressive. And it's getting so much better by the day. And even as he continues his dialogue, I mean, he just looked at the last few conversations he's had in the press the last couple of weeks.

And, you know, he's fighting with the department of state, over whether or not they want to take the safeguards that he has off, so they can do what they need for mass surveillance or, you know, mass weapons. He's very cautious. And I give him credit for that.

He might be a little cookie, but he's very cautious. Well, I think this, this, the conversation that you're highlighting is performative on both sides. He's, he's doing a performance saying, "Look how concerned I am." And the DOD is performing saying, "Look how woke you are." And if you don't un-woke yourself, we're going to give the contract to somebody else.

So I mean, it's always right. Well, they're both right. They're both right. I mean, they're both right, but the reality is, well, if you talk, if you talk to anthropic, they said they haven't actually been approached by this exact conversation yet. They've only tipped on it a little bit, and it's only been on the answers.

So I'm not sure they've really dug deep into that conversation yet. So I'll give them credit on that.

So here's what's said to me is that the headline has nothing to do with why anybody would be having this conversation with anthropic in the first place.

In this just another large language model, don't we have seven or eight of these? What's the point? Why do we care about this? They do. Opus Sonnet.

Why do they have two names when everybody else just has one, right? What's the, so should we talk about the problem? I think we should. Yeah, okay, so, okay, so the reason they're in the news this week is because they just got a series G funding for 30 billion,

Which values anthropic at 380 billion, which is about half the size of open AI.

This is a massive windfall for everybody that's been involved in these guys because they're still private.

Dario is now our seven billion dollars based on this, this new windfall that just happened this week.

So this is significant for a lot of people. Probably play slow for not more. Yeah, and from a financial perspective, these guys, you can remember we talked about open AI and chat, chat, GPT specifically achieving a 20 billion dollar annual run rate, so that's a, that's a number if you take that what they did in the last month, run it over 12 months, they get 20 billion. Well, anthropic is about 14 billion.

So you can see there are not terribly far behind of an AI and chat, GPT. But you know what's the most impressive while the anthropic? Yeah, tell me, three years ago. Yeah, there was zero. It was zero, it's exactly right.

Yeah, it's exactly right.

And there are ten times each year over and over. Yes, it's one of the fastest growing and it's right along with Open AI as we talked about the other day. They have ten X, they're revenue three years in a row. So three years in a row, they've grown a thousand percent in that crazy.

“So that's how somebody goes from being worth no money, a handful of years ago, to being worth $7 billion.”

But I also think this is how you go from being a tool in a gendered tool to being an actual operating system. And I think that's where they're trying to lead to. Well, that's that's really interesting. So when you say a gendered tool, this is one of the places where we can actually talk in a little bit of specificity about what's different. From Claude, Opus, and Sonnet, and their platform versus a chat GPT.

Chat GPT has one engine. This is one large language model, right? So when you ask it to do something, you ask it to do that thing by typing or providing information into the context window. And that's the thing that you've typed in. It's like the type bar when you're going to.

It is like we call it the search bar for a Google bar, right? Yeah, yeah, you'd call it the Google bar. Well, that context window is more important than just kind of what you write in it.

“That defines how many parameters the model can handle at one time, okay?”

So you could load, for instance, a bunch of PDF files into the context window all at one time. And it can search up to, if you're chat GPT, about 400,000 tokens worth of content at one time. Right? And what's that mean? And what's that mean? That means you could load 10 PDF documents all at one time. And it would be able to consume that all at one time and understand it.

So the token goes based on the size of the document, right? Yeah, a token, that's actually a good token. A token 100,000 tokens is about what? It's about 175 words, am I saying that right? That's very close. I'm sorry, a thousand tokens is 175 words.

So it's about 1.3 tokens per word if we're looking at it and kind of an old school search kind of paradigm. But what's interesting about the opus and sonic model versus just the chat GPT. You just put all that information in there is that if you're using GPT to do something like right a book or you're loading a bunch of PDF documents in there to do academic research. We're doing what the DOT federal highways. There is a problem of hallucination where when it's consuming all that information,

it does so kind of outside of the context of what you're asking it to do. And it just scans all that information from start to finish and then it will act on whatever you're prompting it to do. With opus and sonic, it's different. Opus is kind of like a brain that orchestrates what it is you're asking it to do. And sonic are kind of like the hands that do the tasks over and over again.

So opus is like, what do we need to do and it will optimize for you? If you ask it something like read all these PDFs and cite all the places that are important to my research, it will not only go figure out what's important to your research, but it will make recommendations to you that you might have missed.

“Say hey, even though it's not explicitly in your research, it should be so you should reference these as well.”

So it will not only do the task, but it'll get underneath and figure out are you asking the question for a particular reason. So do you think jet GPT and open AI lost a really good player when he kind of figured out the two parts system here? Oh, no question, but this is the, I mean, I think this is that there's two ways to answer this question. Number one is what happened when he left, there was clearly a schism, right? Sam Altman has been accused of going too hard and pushing too fast by a lot of people, including those that have made financial commitments to him.

So that shouldn't be a surprise, but the other one is like when you think about when you think about the nature of what you want AI to do,

predicting what the next word is in a chatbot format and answering a question faster than Google can is a first order use case, right?

But we're getting beyond that now. That's so far in the back. Yeah, it's the orchestration of multiple use cases to achieve a goal, where each of those agents might be doing something with blinders on that has nothing to do with any of the other agents are doing this.

This opens model allows for an orchestration layer that's going to be crucial...

You can do that verbally with with the son of the open model.

“Yeah, and it does take a lot in going through the chatbot and open AI model. So didn't they also just up there tokenization to as far as what's going on? Aren't they up to like a million?”

Yeah, there's context thing. There's a big one because of the ability to take in the amount of information in the most energy efficient format.

But to then be able to handle a multi-threaded set of commands without hallucination. Yeah, Gemini now has a million to two million token context box, right?

But this cloud-opus model is right under that with about a million and GPT is about a 400,000 cloud just increased what they had before though. So I mean, it's it's a step up for where they were at. It did and what was really interesting about it is even though they're able to handle more tokens of ingestion and output faster the rate the reason they were able to do that is because of separation between the two models. GPT has to read everything once and then figure out what to do with it. Opus can do a lower energy consumption read with its own model and then assign tasks to the son at runner who will run and just do something very quickly and come back and say, okay, I've achieved that.

It's quickly as possible using as little energy as possible. What do you want me to do next, right? I see the others falling suit there real quick. Well, right, and actually what's interesting here is that the cost per token of output has fallen really substantially and this is now allowing for AI to potentially be deployed in higher volume use cases where you can really ring out manual efficiencies when you're doing something over and over and over again. So it's a good spreadsheet to make sure you have a table on the bottom that makes sense and then tell me what the columns add up to be, you know, that's exactly the sort of good.

Yeah, totally.

“So faster or less opportunity for data get lost, the ability to orchestrate multi tasks cloud cloud open, so I'm going to check it out.”

I'm going to check it out too. I'm not usually a cloud opus guy, but I've been using Gemini and copilot.

But because of this and our research this week, I'm going to. We bumped into some problems with GPT-5 to again, 30 conversations with transcripts. All of the prep and research for each of those conversations and then all of the summarization and compiling of all those into key themes across 30. I mean, the performance has gotten really bad. We can't do anything in that string anymore without.

No, and the one thing that's really impressive about cloud though is that 80% of their business model is enterprise. Yeah, so that's right, they're they're delivering.

They're delivering on a high scale and it's now becoming an operating system.

It's not becoming just an ancillary tool. Yeah, it's really interesting and it's kind of like the the market is defining players in different spaces.

“I people use because they already haven't their phone. I think it's probably the easiest place for people to goof around.”

But if you're going to be a consumer oriented user of LLM. It's probably going to be chat GPT. You're probably going to use the free model. And, you know, you're not going to have any problems with it unless you're going to try to write, you know, a 35 chapter book or right. Do you search on something as interesting as roadway digital infrastructure and you know, edge computing using a bunch of PDFs that were generated in like the 90s and 2000s. I mean, that's that's some revenue.

I use AI to help research too and it's I go. And I'm going to give Microsoft a shout out right now because I go to copilot. It has chat GPT as a base, but it also has their layer of folks over there. And granted that does hallucinate from times times and it throws things out at me. But as long as you check every source that is throwing it, yeah.

And make sure it's it's is what their tone you it is. Then you can utilize it. We've caught a couple of hallucinations, but not recently, and that was in open AI. We've not had a case where we've caught. We have to cite for the federal highways work.

We have to cite everything in a professional format. And I just made a book up. It just made a book up once, but we haven't had that problem. Yeah. We've read it.

I can imagine. I mean, that would be good for anyway. So yeah, it's it's interesting. Get out there and try these try these engines. Try these models let us know.

I'm all thanks.

Send us a note.

If you think what we're telling you is is bunk.

Tell us about it. But I guess my take is I'm moving away from GPT and I'm all about Jim and I. Right now and maybe I something new. It's going to be. That may be the moment.

It's a it's an embank flow right now because every three or four months. All these platforms come out with a new technology and it seems like, you know, Jim and I just came out with this or copilot just came out with this. Well, the really interesting thing is the tip is the tuning now of models and different model architectures with chips and different chip architectures to take advantage of

efficiency. Yeah. The ability to do stuff like cool with just regular tap waters. Right. Of, you know, closed and system with refrigerant and all the other crazy stuff.

All these efficiencies are are becoming pronounced.

“And I think the we need to do a deep dive on fear of rubin.”

And what that chipset is going to do in making the jump from. From the current. In video chips. So maybe next week we can dig in on something like that. And hey, I want to jump this.

We're definitely. We got a great suggestion from a listener. Yeah. What does that? What does it mean to win the AI war?

Oh, did we mention it before if we didn't we should have. We're thinking about this for a future topic. Yeah. No, I think we should dive into that in a future talk. A lot of discussion about.

Let's talk about that real quickly. Just off the cuff though. Yeah. A lot of discussion about what does it mean? The US is in an AI war against China and we have to win.

Well, it's not what the hard is that mean. It's, it's, it's everybody. It's China Europe. It's, and not the debunk. Can it?

Because I know they're occurring. Although, but. We, it's China. Yeah. It's far in the IRAs.

Asia. South Korea. You have India. There, Australia. There, there, there.

What are we talking about for, for creature comforts? Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. What we're talking about. What we're talking about. What we're talking about.

So now what we're talking about, and that's exactly what I talked about in my book, The Algorithmic State. Not to do a selfless plug here, but they're like it up.

No, but it is, who gets their first.

And is able to control the algorithms. Well, see, that's why we get back to. To our boy Darryl.

“That's what others in the industry have accused him of by crying wolf.”

Yes, it's so dangerous. He, of course, is going to get invited in and his ideas are going to get heard for. So by being the most complicit with the need to regulate. Something that quite frankly, our regulators have no conception of their no ability to understand it, let alone regulate it. He's, um, endearing himself and, um, getting the closest seat to power.

So he's kind of talking to his own book is what I think a lot of people. Yeah, well, and I think that's the hot topic right now on this all is being safe. I think I think that our regulators and the people who are going to are going to be charged with making these laws. They understand one use case and one use case only. It's, um, how does the, the unfortunate picture of my 15 year old needs turn into porn?

I mean, and how do we stop that? That's there, that's there. I asked order level of thinking they can kind of come to understand. Yeah, and I can understand that definitely that's admirable. And you have to definitely protect against it, but that's a little short side of yourself.

Yeah, it is because those are the people, those are the people who are going to be in charge of regulating it. Well, and how, how knowledgeable are they on the top? Problem with everything, it's like, it's like, you know, immigration. It's everything, you know, there's not enough people. But look at this, evaluate it, critique it and do this.

So yeah, when you think of Cardi and Mike, Cardi needs a mic. I don't think he can start the mic everybody can hear them. These people are taking you to the right up a good point. The people who are regulating it don't really understand. They have no means to understand it.

No, I would disagree that.

“I think the people maybe here don't understand it.”

Now, if you go to Europe, they understand it. Well, I'm talking about our government. Who in Europe understands? Well, I've not, if you can show me something, I would have to read it because I don't, I don't believe that they do understand.

I think just because they have a, I think you can see framework first doesn't mean they understand it.

No, but I think, I think they're on the right track. I think they're on the right track that. And what's the right track? See, this is where we have to get done like really like we do. You can't, you can't regulate inputs.

You can regulate outcomes. Like you can regulate. Yeah, whoever, whoever was the actor that caused that picture to become porn. Yeah, that person, but the model itself, you can't can strain the model. You can't say, hey, anthropic, if you get posed a picture of a, you know, 15 year old girl, you can't turn it into something naked.

That's, it's one that's ridiculous to it's impossible. Three, it's removing, it's removing the, it's removing the onus and responsibility from the individual and totally against all that. But anyway. I'm not sure what you should do.

Squeeze every last drop that angel's ending.

The, the, the, the bourbon barometer is, is touching bottom.

He is getting definitely down there. But I, I'll just leave you with this on that. I would say that the European Union is taking the impetus that. I think in the United States, it's a compromise between the Biden administration and the Trump administration. The Biden administration had a bill of rights that's, that's much like what the European Union is.

Trump administration says, we're just going to kind of let it go and we're going to regulate it from the top level. Which I agree, they need to regulate it from the top level. But let's, let's make sure it's still transparent. Let's make sure it's, it's explainable. Let's make sure it's understandable and we can under, you know,

Everybody, the Biden administration wanted to regulate model inputs. They wanted to have input and be able to control how many parameters a model could train. I'm talking about outputs. Let's talk about outputs because it's a result oriented field that we're playing in. And in the legal field, that's, that's where it is.

What comes out? So Europe is perfect in that respect, I think. And I know I'm going to get a lot of pushback right now because I'm coming over to the, The democratic side of the table on this one, but I feel like they have figured out early on.

“And that's why they've formed this coalition that is able to determine all this.”

Okay, we're here. And this, we're all see committee that can look over it. We're going to blow everybody's hair back when we come back and do a, Do a point counterpoint on European versus American AI regulation. Perry Perry's telling us he wants to pull the plug on this all this.

Nope. No, it's great conversation. Yeah, all this, all these, all these hot takes, all these hot takes. Remember where you are. So when we come back, we can pick up where we love to have.

Okay, we should take a, yeah, one more, one more break. And then we'll come back. One more break. We're almost burning the Perry's fish and us. All right, cheers, cheers, cheers, all right.

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We did. We had a vocal in studio participant this week. It was like Dr. Ruth had to fight the potterge to give up. We're the microphones and just in my ear. Jordan kind of had that lure.

We're trying to up our game. How are we doing? I mean, we're hoping everybody out there is noticing how we doing in terms of rankings, watches, views and updates.

“I was shocked when we jumped for a moment, just a moment.”

But it was fun to jump there yesterday for a half a day in front of less. Alex Friedman. Yeah, we made. We jumped in number four yesterday for a hot second on the business segment of Apple podcast. Number four.

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Yeah, right. Boo-yah. Okay, well, we'll look. I think we've done everything we came to do today.

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“You know, some day in the future, but the baby is on.”

Jordan, Jordan, it comes speak or talk at their local event. Just hit us up, we'll make sure that happens. Yeah, he's telling you, you can talk at a number of topics. But, uh, I just don't forget, Cardi. Oh, yeah, Cardi.

Yeah, our ultra vocal overserved studio guests want to say, Thank you, Pennsylvania, for Jeff Cardi. Yeah, thank you. And I just want to say thank you, Pennsylvania,

for the fact that it was over 50 degrees today.

It was actually 60, I think. Yeah, I mean, it was nice. Right. The big melt office. I mean, it was the bait and I'm playing between the snowdrifts.

Yeah, let's keep that. Let's keep that on the greens. Let's keep that trend going. Okay, keep it on the greens. The green chat.

Yeah, it's right.

“We need to let that snow melt the whole way down.”

Take all that nitrogen down the soil. So we can do that. There we go. Right, so pretty soon. We're going to be switching from a barbon and rocks in front of the fire

to a bourbon spreads out in the Lena. Right. Yeah, pretty soon. We're going to be. Yeah.

We're going to be. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. I'm out in the course. They'll be fine.

Totally. Yeah, there's some chatter about maybe a getaway down to Georgia here in a few weeks for a little bit of golf. A little bit of a winter swing. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm interested in that. Please, dust it off. Going to dust it off. Augusta?

Well, I don't know if they're going to let us in there. Cross. Not that way. There's a pool in a pond. Yeah, right.

A pond to be good for you guys. I got the public course right next door. You can get on that big dog. Yeah, but you know, when we start talking about dusting it off and moving it off and dust it off, moving it up.

Yeah. I totally. On that. Cheers. Cheers.

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