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What's that behind it? I'm not sure I don't think it is. I guess you don't like movies. I think I've got a bunch of men. I feel like I can hear voices.
I'm trying to let her go because I don't want to give her a fright.
“How would you feel knocking on someone's door a complete stranger?”
Decades after their loved one was brutally murdered. This is a story about just that. How two journalists end up at the front of the House of Dolly Glover, the aunt of Diane Macanale, who was beaten, strangled and dumped. On a cold dark night in a park on the outskirts of Glasgow in October 1991.
She was all over the mother. It's the time it went to just, she didn't do it in Android. Can you condemn them? Asking about a case decades later, that still holds more questions than answers.
Hi there. We're looking for an Elizabeth Glover. Is that your mom or her mom or her mom? We are calm and quiet from radio-clamed.
We're basically doing a wee bit of an investigation
into the unsolved deaths of sex workers in Glasgow. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Is that your cousin? No, no, no, no, no, no.
I don't know if you can do it. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. Okay. You did everything because it's not been my brother or something.
Oh, sorry. That's the why we hate doing it because it was a while ago. It's really hard to track people down.
“So, you know, we don't want to kind of give him death right?”
Yeah. We're going to take it. Thank you very much. So that's Shirley. She's Diane Macanale's cousin.
We're sitting in her bright modern living room now with matching red curtains and scatter cushions and photos of her family in glittery frames. What your house is beautiful? Yeah.
After spending a brisk summer morning chapping doors and asking questions and castle milk and a state on the south side of Glasgow, I think we're quite happy to be sitting on Shirley's dark leather couch with a cup of tea.
I'm really hoping that Shirley's mom dolly, Diane Zant, will talk to us too. But those two people who have to speak to you, it's just to just talk about it. Talk about the Anne.
I would like it. I know. So when dolly does arrive after making the short trip from a house across the road, she bustles in with her two dogs,
Buster and Juna. Come on. Juna. Juna. This is...
Oh, what? Come on. Can you hear it? Oh, smells. She quickly lets them out the back
and ask her daughter for a cup of tea. But before we get too much into her conversation, maybe now's the time to tell you a little bit more about us. And why we ended up heating a bit Diane McInnelly sitting in her cousin's home last summer.
That journey actually begins months before in a courtroom in the center of Glasgow. Tonight, a 51-year-old man has been told he could die behind bars for the brutal murder of a 27-year-old woman in the Lanarkshire
and nearly two decades ago. My name's Collette McGonagall. I'm Callum McWade. And this is Bouwerbuk. Beer-journalists who work for Glasgow's
biggest radio station Clyde 1. And this podcast "Bouwerbuk" started with a conversation after a long day at court. I just feel relieved. It's just sort of a bit after all this day.
So I was covering a case at the High Court in Glasgow. It's something I do quite regularly as an reporter
and I'm always talking to Collette who's a desk editor
about it, planning how to best cover the story for her listeners. But this case was definitely really tough. About the merger of a young woman Emma Coldwell back in 2005, and I was there regularly during the six-week trial.
And the evidence was really hard to listen to. It was graphic. There were screens all over the courtroom, showing some really distressing images.
“Images that I'll never forget never mind the jury you had to take notes.”
Or of course the families of the victims watching on. I do cover court stories quite regularly. So I'm used to being in that setting. The day of this verdict was different though. We'd waited days for the jury to make a decision.
It was packed when we recorded back in. Certainly the busiest I've ever seen a courtroom. Dozens of people had given evidence over the course of the trial which lasted for around six or seven weeks. Journalists media from all over the UK,
Packed in and people were standing all over the place.
There were over 40 charges against this man
“and the atmosphere in the room became more and more intense.”
There were streets of relief coming from Emma's mum Margaret and our lawyer who were sitting at the front after what must have been an agonizing weight as the jury went through each charge on a sheet of paper in front of them. You could only imagine what that must have felt like
for the victims loved ones. And of course the jury sat listening to weeks of harrowing evidence. The case against this man was compelling. He was violent, manipulative and twisted.
And I think that's putting it mildly. Lots of people waited a long time to see him brought to justice. Ian Packer convicted of Emma's murder and for a number of attacks on other women. It was a case the entire newsroom was talking about.
Finally, Ian Packer had been convicted
19 years after killing Emma and dumping her body in woods about 40 miles outside Glasgow. I feel relieved. Not overjoyed, not elated,
“not bunching the air or opening champagne.”
I just feel relieved. It's just over with after all this time. That's Emma's mum Margaret talking to us outside the court. Emotion like this made us want to leave no stone unturned and covering the story.
But with Emma's case rightfully in the spotlight it's almost seemed like the other women killed in the city around the same time were more forgotten than ever. A string of vicious killings had shocked Glasgow between 1991 and 2005.
The lives of eight women were mercilessly taken. They shared a lot of similarities with Emma and Diane, young and vulnerable. Many had fallen into drug addiction and the world of prostitution.
And most of their cases had never been solved.
They knew that some day was out there and the boyfriend couldn't work. These losses were loving and the knife edge after night when they were going out there selling their bodies.
So I gave Calam a call to ask if you wanted to look into these women a bit more. Starting investigation into their lives and deaths who killed them and why so many of these cases had never been solved. Did police take these deaths seriously?
“Or were they distracted by their high risk lifestyles?”
Why did so many of these women feel their best protection was each other? Not the authorities. Strolling their worries about the most dangerous clients in the tattered pages of a journal
kept at the front desk of a drop-in center. The Beweer book. A lot but things are not book. Do you think there would be police names in it? Are you actually asking me that? Of course it is.
Are you a police or a ghost or something?
I remember when you called and we first started talking about all this.
And I remember thinking it's such a strong story because these cases haven't been talked about for such a long time. In fact, most of them took place before I was even born, so I didn't know much about them at all. I think I'm the same, I'd have been at school back then,
so it is more of a vague memory. But I do remember my parents being pretty worried about violence in the city. Over the next few episodes of The Weir book, you'll hear from families who were devastated by this violence whose loved ones were brutally murdered.
Some of them haven't spoken to the media for decades, some not at all. Those who've waited decades for justice, living in the silence of the forgotten. But for now, let's head back to Castle Milk,
where another family sits, decades on from the worst news they could ever imagine getting still without any answers. Yeah, can I have a little bit of milk in my food? No, just a little bit of milk.
Um, quite a bit of milk, yeah, like a little bit of milk. Don't just tea. Builders tea. That's dolly and surely again. Making sure I'm well set up with a nice cup of tea.
Uh, straw. Before they start telling us about Dolly's niece and Shirley's cousin, Diane Macanale. Born and raised on the south side of Glasgow, a girl who loved to laugh and was part of a close-knit family,
she did well at school and became a mum at a young age to a boy called Craig. And when Dolly talks about her niece along with Diane, sister Angela and brother Stephen, can't help but get the impression
that Diane might have been a better behaviourate. Actually, I brought Diane and adults. I'd love her to. So I did. And the answer was when you saw a baby,
I know. They wanted much between the two of them, but a year or something, but a year between the two of them.
So.
I was like in 1918. So. Eh. But they were close. But then.
Angela, but when the.
Did you cheat in the jokes and.
But Diane was next to us. No, she didn't. She didn't. She didn't. So she did.
“Did you feel you had a connection with her,”
pregnant and why don't you like that? What was she like, as a child? Just a little bit. I'm not. So we're quite a close family.
So we're gonna. To. To. To. I met up with cousins.
You know, we make it look like money. I'm a grander. And. But. But.
She. Oh, she was a. She was. She was. She was.
She was. She was. She. She. She.
She. She just. She. She. She.
But. She. As. When.
“Um, I mean, Steven, Maggie Stobes, Steven was from Denmark, and I knew Stobes put the back bill at heart, wouldn't I?”
I'm in a phone call. Hey, he died, said tragedy, you know, so he said she meant it a little. Oh, the lobby, I know. I took up a visit like, Angela, she was put in a house. This is the city, can't please him. The next year died, obviously, his real service.
It's quite amazing, really, how dolly and Shirley talk to us about such tragedy, and all the while including memories of the good times too, about how close they are we're growing up. Make no mistake though, Diane was no shrinking violet. Something which Shirley thinks might actually help in the search for her killer. She's a tough man, she was tough. She was tough. She was tough. She was like, "You know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, she missed this all.
No, no, she's turned off. She's not saying that fine. She's fighting about you.
Still, Angela, Angela was just saving me, no. But she never looked for something like that.
She, if they came, you know, they, she would have fought a lot, you know. You know, we, so, you wanted to have, there was a map left on La Vata, right? I know because it's a eight-nighter of fingernails. You know, because, um, not on the told nothing. Yeah, it was neat, neat evidence.
So this takes us away from the story of Diane's life and back again to the night of her death. As we told you earlier, she was beaten and strangled. Her body dumped in the grounds of Pollock Park on a cold night in October 1991. Right next to a well-known museum in popular tourist attraction, the bottle collection. Her clothing had been removed and her injuries were very severe. A truly distressing site for the dog walker who found her at the next morning.
And for Diane's uncle, who bravely stepped forward to help his sister Lin, when she needed him most. Ms. Maga had to have my father. I had to go and edit fire. So it was, I mean, I brought his David Steven. Did he speak about that?
Did he speak about that? No, he only knows. And he's really wonderful for going to the end with that, but he's done it for a long time. You know, I mean, I'll go. But maybe me, I'd be the one, I'd be the one. I'd be the one, you know, I won't die.
I'm always the head of the family.
I'd say, "Do you have your nose and where'd you go?" He'd be me. But it's his only age. But he, he's done it. I mean, oh well.
I'd mind him for him, but we're going to die somewhat from every Wednesday day though. You know what I mean? Must have been very tough. I know. But when it was day quiet, I never said no.
We didn't ask him. Well, like, she was a day, and I mean, we just left it though. That's it. But we know she didn't get me away. I couldn't.
It was about day. She would. I don't know. I don't know.
“How do you know if you knew her to be somebody that could stand up for herself?”
That's it. I mean, she's she'd a foot, walk back. Or else it would be on one there. That's what I can say. I've been another person there. She wouldn't allow you to.
She wouldn't allow you to. No way. She wouldn't allow you to. But as I said, it could have been somebody else there. Why do you can fight back to your character? I think that really gives us a sense of how close the family we're,
all banding together in the most awful of times. And also, a bit about how they dealt with things, quietly and without fuss. Even in the most difficult circumstances,
Dolly also talks again about how tough Dan was
that she would have put up a fight.
“One thing she might have had a chance of winning”
if it was just a single attacker. And it's only now that he tells us a little bit more about the local rumors swirling around at the time of Dan's death. She's working night night, right? And these men were supposed to have killed her.
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“And as far as we know at this moment, it's just local rumors.”
This is when we felt we had to speak to someone who was around at the time. Someone who followed the case closely. My name is A Norman Solvester. I've been a journalist for 45 years. Specializing in crime and investigations in Glasgow, October 1991.
I was crime reporter on evening times. So as you can hear, we're speaking with Norman Solvester. Who worked in all the unsolved murders we are looking into. At the time it actually happened. Norman's talking to us in a noisy coffee shop right in the middle of Glasgow City Center.
On the outskirts of an area known back in the 1990s as the drag. It's a stretch of streets in the financial district where a handful of pubs and cafes nestled beside gray sandstone office buildings. But it's name, the drag described something else entirely. It was where women involved in prostitution would stand on a cold street corner
in amongst all of this, waiting to be picked up by a client. And it's where we sit now among young professionals, students and even the odd family. As Norman tells us, the hopes Diane's families had for justice were dashed in unusual circumstances. In the days after Diane's murder, it mayors that she had a young son Craig. She laid quite a chaotic lifestyle.
A key to that lifestyle was her heroin addiction. Like most drug users who would have regular suppliers. She was certain people they should go to to get her heroin as in most of the girls. And it mayors quite quickly into the investigation that she was due to give evidence in a shared of court case against some local drug dealers.
And obviously no doubt can say them on their part. The Diane would be giving evidence and might lead to the conviction. So one of the lines are inquiry for the police was that this may have been an attempt to interfere with a witness with a force or not to give evidence. And then indeed, whoever was responsible has gone one step further and colder.
“And to erase where me then, but nobody was charged, is that right?”
Several months into the inquiry, remember, January the following year, the murder took place, not October. So talking about four months later, police arrested two men. I saw such suspects that were taken to govern police office, charged both charged with murder,
Then detained overmate, up to cell, taken to the Guadalupe Court.
The following morning, this is where there was quite a dramatic development. The police would have expected as normal for the two men to appear in court. It would have been reminded in custody, pending any feature trial, that it mayors that shortly after the case was called, a crook to later.
First of all, who is responsible for prosecuting cases in Guadalupe Court.
Across Scotland, decided that the war didn't enough evidence to detain them, and so they were released without further charge. And there was no further proceedings against these two men. They were speaking to officers at the time, and since the officers involved in investigation, a fairly certain of the two men that they're vested, were the people that modernised Anne McAnaly.
And that's just so unusual for officers to get to the stage of taking suspects to the court house ready to appear. But at the 11th, they were at the procurator fiscal decided there wasn't enough evidence to proceed. Norman does also seem to be mirroring what Dolly and Shirley are claiming. The down was expecting to be called as a witness, in a case against local drug dealers, shortly before she was killed.
“So whilst Diane's silence before she could give whatever evidence she may have had, and who were these men?”
Dolly seems to suggest that at least one of them passed away in prison after being convicted of a separate crime,
but that they didn't mention Diane's murder in whatever deathbed confessions they may have made.
These are all questions we need to be really careful asking. There could be legal implications in talking any more about these men at this stage, especially if they're still alive. So we really need to get an official update before we tell you any more. But I think we are starting to understand just how much Dolly and Shirley have been carrying around for more than 30 years. Diane's violent death, the rumors she'd been due to give evidence in an upcoming drug trial,
and the uncertainty overt potential suspects. Hartfield descriptions by the media and police didn't help either. Steven is actually born the nurse before. We knew it was Diane in whatever. What they don't must have disagreed, that she'd take snap on and we managed to get. And I think we could be a sex whacker before it was even clarified that it was Diane.
Do not mean so there's a border phone she's getting. Telling yourself what I found and we managed to get in my own. Do not mean. You get the feeling Dolly and Shirley don't feel Diane's murder was taken as seriously as it should have been. And we're given the impression they don't really trust the police to find any answers.
I really would be pleased with that. I just think it's.
“You're looking in along that, you know, do you know what I mean?”
Do you feel it's changed since the 19th? It's just the thing. I think it's just the thing. I'd say dad, I don't know, it's just the same up. And that's a lot of corruption I think.
So there's. They'll choose to be claims they won't be preserved in whatever.
They don't go for the back first.
No, I think probably the prostitutes in the 50s were safer than it was now. Dolly and Shirley also tell us about the pain of watching Diane live in a dangerous world. The happy young mom had taken a turn down a tragic path. She'd fallen into heroin addiction after some personal setbacks. And we asked them what our quality of life was like in our final weeks.
Well, I don't think it's very good, put it away. I know she was on the streets. She just made her run in our way. So she was, but. My name is Vincent.
I must have been really difficult.
“You know, it's difficult for a mother, mother and father.”
You know what, you know, any mother and father, you know what I mean, it's difficult for. For anybody, you know what, I mean, you know, the daughter's on the street. And money, you know what I mean, but. They've tried their best for them. Every mother and father tries their best with their family.
But you can only taste so much. And then if you don't really care any. You can't even be at them now. Then you can even answer them. You either just go to let them go and be at them.
And hope for the best that the turn out run. And it wasn't just Ian, heroin had begun to ravage the city in the 1980s. When crime, poverty, and unemployment rates were high, it took hold of Glasgow's streets. Sold as a release to these stresses. It's consequences were often far deadlier.
Dolly tells us that the drug was also to cause more problems for her family. Yeah, a system system went the same way as real. Angela. She went the same way as real. But Angela, Angela was only a drug before.
The end was.
So she was.
She only died a couple years ago.
Angela. And Stephen, he was found. He would do that. But I don't know. It's just I'm.
And what can you say? You know what I mean? So she gave my brother. And, and, and one. Who was?
Some could still try to do one. But unfortunately, it didn't. They met three three.
But the point they agreed never knowing who took her life.
It took her life. You know what I mean? You ain't there today for sure. Dolly there taking us through the deaths of Diane's sister Angela and brother Stephen. The fact her parents Lin and Roger died without ever getting justice.
Diane's ex partner was murdered too. At the hands of theerson Craig, who was just six years old when Diane herself was killed.
“So we've told you, I think, as much as we can about Diane Mackinale's story for now anyway.”
And certainly until we find out more about these two men who were arrested in the days after. And you've heard a little bit about Emma Coldwill too. Also murdered in her 20s after falling into drug addiction to numb the pain of her sister's death. But as we mentioned earlier, these two women are sadly just a part of a violent chapter in the city's history. Over the next few episodes of the Weird Book, you'll hear from other families whose loved ones died in similar circumstances.
Some of them haven't spoken to the media for decades. Some not at all. The families of those who's murder still haven't been solved. Those who've waited for decades for justice, living in the silence of the forgotten. We want to know who was responsible for their death.
Are any of their original suspects even still alive? And what was the police's role in all of this?
“Why have so few suspects in these cases been convicted?”
We're also looking into why many of these women felt they had to come up with their own warning system rather than relying on the police. To share details on the most dangerous clients in the pages of a worn leather-bound diary, the Beweer Book. The fear on the bus was immense. He didn't know if they were going to come back or not. That's Anne Mackelveen.
She ran a Christian charity which helped Diane Emma and many others. The book she speaks of, which is now missing, is claimed by some to contain the names of powerful figures in the policing and legal professions. But have we finally worked out where it actually went? Women involved in prostitution in Glasgow. It was a system of warning each other.
Did you come across that in your kind of involvement in the inquiry? What did you know about this? As I said, it's commonly been called this Beweer Book. I seized it.
“There's more on all of this to come, but our next episode will focus on the case of Marjorie Roberts.”
Her body was found washed up on the banks of the river Clyde just a couple of years after Diane's murder.
Her case has also never been solved or even investigated as a murder.
Join us then to hear from Marjorie's sister who tells us she'd fallen into the water while in the company of a man who was later questioned by police. They didn't listen to people. The new that was having the same as Emma, probably a lot of women gave complaints in the brush them off because they were street workers. It's true, it's a fact and it's a fact. So that's next time on Beweer Book, the story of a string of women brutally murdered in Glasgow. Most of whose cases are still unsolved by police decades later.
If you've been affected by any of the issues raised in this podcast and need mental health support or want to talk about your feelings, visit the hub of hope to find services in your area. If you think you might have information about any of the people we mentioned, you can get in touch with us at [email protected]. BeweerBook was written, created and presented by Colette McGonagall, presented and produced by Calamacuit. The executive producer is Henry Eta Harrison.
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