Disclosure Day

>> Podcasts. >> Very good. >> Very good.

>> I wonder if that made all of that.

>> Full podcast. >> Everything out there. >> Yeah, I was speaking mathematics, David, it's easy. You couldn't hear that? That didn't sound like anything, isn't it?

>> That was so great. >> That was me saying two plus two plus ten minus one equals. This is, and get lost sleep last night, I lost the track. >> I said two plus two plus ten. >> Fourteen.

>> Minus one is 13. >> 13. >> And then I was going to add one more thing to it. I was going to do times zero tricky. This is my bit I do with Ace Ehrlich's son of David Ehrlich.

I did it one time. >> You love his mouth.

>> I'm now three years into him insisting I do it every single time.

“He loves math, he thinks math is the best thing in the funniest thing.”

And my bit is that I take out the calculator on my phone and I come up with the biggest number I can. And then I go watch how big this is going to be. And then I time to buy zero. And then when the number disappears, I go, what are you doing?

You're using some kind of prank calculator. You're spoofing and goofing me and he has a car on it. >> He likes pointing at me and saying, you're so bad at math, that's what I like. He likes that I become the fool, I'm hoisted by my petard. >> I will say in the film disclosure day, when you have the reveal,

that there are two people that have been gifted the knowledge from extraterrestrials. And one of them got math and the other person got empathy, I was just like fuck, if I was the math person, I'd just like kill myself. >> But I feel like you're thinking of this as a, because I'm bad at math and you're an infinite person, but it's like, but then you be good at math.

>> I actually do want to be good at math. There are a lot of things I'm not good at that I don't care about, it would be great to be good at math. >> For me that's dancing. >> I'd love to be great at math.

“>> My number one thing is languages, if I could snap my finger and suddenly we”

able to speak 50 languages, that would be so cool. >> Which Emily Blunt can do in this movie. >> Yes, so she definitely, and also I'm nosy as hell, if I'm and she can be like David Sims tonight's your wife's birthday, you're going to take her to a music college. >> Like, you know, all of that's actually true.

>> For me, play all the instruments, you want a man band. >> I could just like grab a violin, grab a guitar, pick up, well I could play a tuba, but you know what I'm saying. >> I'm sorry, what? >> Yeah, Ben Wills on the tube, I was a band kid in middle school.

>> I feel like I might have known this, but I forgot that it was the tube. >> This is a tuba guy. >> Ben, big tuba.

>> You've never seen the picture of Ben in his school band where he looks like a little

porcelain Christmas ornament. >> He does, but he's very ruddy face, he's very ruddy face, and we love that about him. >> We love that about him. >> You're not really a ruddy guy now, but it got, I mean, I suppose if you get a few beers in you, a few pints in you, you might get a little ruddy, but the Irish whiskey starts flowing.

>> Right. >> But the emotions kick in, I feel like if you're laughing really hard to proud of a joke, you're getting emotional. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, it'll happen.

>> I refer to you as a ginger recently, and you took on bridge. >> It's not a ginger. >> I'm not a ginger. >> I feel like no. >> I've got some little, you're not like a proper, as the Brits would call it,

ganger, but you've got reddish hair. >> What? >> What? >> It really sounds offensive. >> It sounds violent, you know, in a weird way, because it's like, are you, I don't believe

you. >> You don't believe me. >> It's real, it is real. >> That is totally real. >> I mean, I'm sure I've said this on the podcast where I came home from school when I was 10.

And I was like, tell my mom, I'm like, there's so mean, everyone is so mean to this kid who

“has red hair, you know, and she's like, yeah, she was like, you listen to me, that's what”

you call him, and no, no, no, she was like, it's 1,000 years of hating Irish and Scottish people. >> Yeah. >> Like she's just like, that makes sense. >> Because I was like, why do they, and she was like, they don't even know it, but it's

just, you know, decades, centuries of like, well, those are the, you know, the Gallic, you know, we don't want them. >> It all traces back to a couple missing pots of gold, and that they just no one has ever gotten it. >> I'm trying to be empathetic and clean.

>> So shocking to me as a child, if like, the fuck is just kind of right here, you're

>> Yeah, you're all past the English people. >> I don't think it's just the red hair, it's the red hair and the freckles. >> It's the freckles, it's the that you look a little different, you know, what would a children do? What did children do?

They make fun of people who look different, it's not nice, they shouldn't do it.

“>> I think they're, they're not, they're obviously not playing literal siblings in this,”

and I think they're both very good at American accents, but they're not going to help the Joshua Connor and Emily Blair, both British and the movie. >> But little removed from reality. >> Did they both have the same exact kind of like pitch of their performance? >> Mm-hmm.

I think that's very fair. Trying to think, I feel like there's a lot of other examples recently of this of the like two Brits in the lead, both doing that. >> You want like, two fake Americans. >> Like, it's a pair.

>> Yeah. >> I feel like I just watched a movie. >> Like does that?

>> Obviously, everyone's always complaining about the Brits getting the plum rolls, but

>> Sure. >> Sure. >> Yes. >> There's one that crazy that I think about all the time, of course, is Daisy Ridley, not doing an American accent and John Boyega doing an American accent in Star Wars, which is

not set on earth, but they decided like, only one of you can do your own voice. >> It should be to carry Fisher. They were like, what if this doesn't line up? I think what you were thinking of actually was the Mandalorian and Growgo, because Pedro Pascal is not actually a Mandalorian or acting, or in it.

>> But Growgo is a Yoda's species. Talk about nice words if you can get it. >> Okay, so I'm looking for my-- >> I'm looking for my-- >> I'm looking for my letter box diary.

>> Okay. >> Backrooms. >> Although Renata is-- >> She's not a hero. >> She's not British, but she's also not really doing something with other good examples of a movie

where it's like, they should feel a little off of you.

>> Everything about this movie is a little off of you.

>> Right. >> And it's sort of set in like before, but we're not going to get to into, like, you know, those kinds of details in that way. >> Just a little off of a little strange. >> And with the original, it was originally someone else.

>> It was, um, uh, uh, Kristen Melia, Meliai. >> It was Kristen Meliai, and Renata was going to be in weapons. I just think, like, all the juffling of this sort of, uh, you know, it was-- >> You wish you were going to be a Julia Gardner apart? >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Interesting. >> Which I'm sure she would have crossed the line. >> Tyree Henry was going to be Benedict Wong. >> Sure.

>> And, uh, why am I forgetting his name now, um, the original cast of what-- >> Come work. Give you all the inherent Rick. >> Which, like, I mean, these are all good actors, and then-- >> And then-- >> And then Peter, God was going to be Berlin.

>> Yes, Pascal was going to be, but he probably would have been pretty good.

But Berlin's really good in weapons.

His Berlin's really good at playing, um, a fucking masculine guy who's neutered. Like, he's really good with-- >> And also, he's going to play in a tough guy too. >> Yeah. >> But like, he's better if you kind of neuter him a little bit.

>> And ask you a Berlin-related question. >> Yeah. >> This is an installment of Berlin with the homies. >> I have not watched the trailer or whale fall. >> Uh, I haven't yet.

>> What if there was a whale? But I'm hearing great things.

“>> Oh, that's what I wanted to ask, if anyone has seen the trailer.”

>> I have, yes. >> Does a whale fall? >> Yes, yes, thank you. >> From where? >> Higher up in the water.

>> Correct. >> So, just deeper in the water? >> Yeah, like, what if a whale came up went off? >> And then like, you know, start going back down and you're inside of it. >> Oh, how do you get out?

>> So, they're, so, they're Jonas. >> Yeah, very much so. >> It's a Justin Abrams is looking for Brolin. I think it's what I'm thinking. >> In the wind, he's inside a whale.

>> In the ocean. >> He doesn't know how to whale get him. >> You don't know. >> And then they both deep in the whale. >> They both in whale.

>> And then they got to get out of the whale? >> Yeah. >> Oh, my God. >> And it's Brian Duffley, like deep in whale, got to get out of a whale movie. >> It gets on sale yet.

“>> Yeah, you have to, you have to go to a whale.”

>> Yeah, Marie, Marie, it's really easy to get the tickets. Just go down the bottom of the ocean and we'll think that will happen. >> I really, I really like that guy's last movie. No, I will save you. >> Yeah.

>> Brian Duffley, which was a movie that I was on, that was on Hulu, where I was just like, this should be a movie theater. >> Yeah. >> And so, I'm glad that his next movie is in a movie theater. >> Well, sure.

I mean, you're thinking in a very traditional kind of a leadist way. Hulu was merely trying to wish you a happy Hulu queen, and you were not a person. >> [LAUGH] >> And a happy Hulu queen to you all. >> Happy Hulu queen.

>> It is, of course, disclosure day. >> But I want to wish all of you a happy Hulu queen. >> Oh, I'm disclosure day. >> Disclosure day. There's a new film by Stephen Spielberg, who we've covered on the podcast twice.

One plus one equals one in this case. >> Should we do it now, covered one complete from August? >> We're going to do two episodes of this just because we've actually covered Stillberg on two separate minutes here. >> I think we have food.

>> Yes. >> Cover it once through the prism of early Spielberg and once through the prism of late Spielberg. >> That's fine. >> Indeed.

my opinion. >> Yeah, I'm sure. >> Almost anything you ever made. >> Yeah, I think it's great, more work. >> You love it, baby.

>> You keep going, add more happiness. >> Yeah, let me clear my schedule. >> And it's like, me trying to find new spots in my schedule. >> But it's just like fucking like, like my shovel hitting rock. Like I dug to the bottom of Minecraft.

“Do this another Minecraft movie coming out next year?”

>> Yeah, if you're not interested in it. >> Minecraft movie squared. >> Pretty, pretty cool. >> I love that. >> That's actually pretty clever.

>> The next one can be cubed, right? >> Yeah. You get that, Ben? >> Uh-huh. [LAUGH]

>> I was just building out my first 2017 list of 20, 20.

>> Yeah, okay, okay. >> You know, if like, all right, what does it really matter what's going to be coming out? And yeah, I was like, oh, they got that fucking done quickly. >> Yeah, they're filming it right now, with Gerson Duns, who's about to start a kind of historic finally getting that background.

>> Yeah, give her the bag. >> She's got house made. >> Yeah, mine house made secret, yes. >> So like, that's another one where they're like, roll this back as fast as possible.

>> I feel like she's got three sneaky sequels of things that weren't obvious slam dunk. >> So she's doing kind of the rock in like 2010? >> Yeah, except she's not like franchise Viagra, which is what he, of course, love the rock was in.

>> G-I-J-O-2, journey to the mysterious island. There's another one. >> He kept being in the vehicles to movies that he was not in.

“>> And there was one, what was the other one, you're right?”

>> Journey to the mysterious island, of course, is the one where he's like, you know, the Twitter joke was like, hey, we got a parfait of journey to the mysterious island. It's like, I'm not interested. It's like, okay, well, how can we sweeten the deal?

>> I want a ride to be. >> Okay. >> Okay, okay, okay, okay. >> Now that was the poster right in the beach. >> The poster is in right in the giant beach. >> Now that's what Michael came.

>> What a ride to be. >> This is one of those classic Dwayne Johnson Michael came to be on that beach. >> Dwayne Johnson vehicles, the big three. >> Hold on.

>> And the plus of B, the big three plus of B, it was a B movie. >> It was a B movie. >> I'm not seeing him right in the B. >> Okay, Michael was running away from the giant sea. >> I'm fine, I'm fine, do you think?

>> Lizard creature. >> Oh, I got to be found it. >> You found it. >> Yes. >> Wow.

>> People said my daughter was reading her rock book just last night. People said he couldn't ride a big. He got it. >> But that's a hudgen's too. >> Of course.

>> The billing order is like, get hudgen's. Get a B, that I'm interested in. >> The billing order is Dwayne Johnson.

Michael came second build.

I assume T'd be the end, but he's second build. >> One second build. >> Josh Hutcherson returning from the first film. >> Yeah, he's like, hi guys and everyone's like, what is the first build called?

>> Vanessa, why don't you raise your visit it? >> Maybe returning? >> I don't know. >> Luis goes on and Kristen Davis. She got the aim.

>> Kristen Davis. >> Okay. >> You can Davis call it herself. >> Yeah, good for her. >> Yeah, journey to the mysterious island.

>> Vanessa Hutchens is not in journeys to the center of the earth. >> Was Brendan Fraser? >> Yes. >> So did she replace Brendan Fraser? >> Yes, she's replaced.

The rock is actually replacing Seth Meyers, who is also a journey, as I'm sure said on this. But guys before has one of my favorite trailer jokes, which is, "Suppets?" >> No, no, with Brendan Fraser.

>> Oh, oh, oh, where they fell. >> No, it's just they fall. >> Ah, that they stopped. And then Brendan Fraser goes, "We're still falling!" >> It's so funny.

Both of those movies made 100 million dollars.

>> No, they did. >> Next time we're looking for like, a year, like, what's a fun, like, who's a two-slot? Like, you guys should just journey to the journey. >> The two journey to the journey.

>> There must be an original, like, because it's the HG Wells.

“Like, was there like a 50's journey to the center of the earth or whatever?”

>> Probably. >> Oh, sure. So you could pull that in. >> Because journey two is adapting a different HG Wells book, retrofitting it.

>> A very faithful idea. >> I think there's an HG Wells book called The Mysterious Island. >> No, they were right. >> I don't know if they really even opened the book. >> The book opened.

>> The opening line of the book is, Dwayne Johnson was writing a bumblebee. And at the time, audiences were very confused. They went, "I don't get what this means. This is a foreign language.

Is he speaking in tongues like Emily Blunt and Disclosure Day?" And then, if that kid's later became clear. >> It's not HG Wells, of course. I'm sorry, it's Jules Verne. >> What if we did a Jules Verne, a Patreon series?

>> Look, what are some film adaptations of-- >> It's the 2000 leagues under the sea around the world, namely. >> So, 20,000. >> 20,000.

>> So, 18,000 whole leagues. >> So, you're, so, like, the whale started at 2000. >> Yes, and then he fell 20,000 leagues under the sea. >> There are too many hunchbacks. >> Okay.

>> I know that's a good clue for you guys around the world. >> Okay, so, 20,000 leagues under the sea. You've got the Kirk Douglas Jules Mays movement. So, there you got that. >> Okay, there was also a James Mason journey

to the center of the earth in 1959. >> Okay. >> So, when did you guys have a good James Mason?

Was it James Mason? >> Yes.

>> I think you know what we do.

Then there's, oh, this is a problem. >> Why? >> We have a huge problem. >> Okay. >> There's a huge problem now that we're doing this many series.

>> We've committed that too. >> We've been having a series of problems. >> We've been having a series problem. There are two versions of another work of his around the world in 80 days. So, there's the interminable best picture winner.

>> Yes. >> And then the horrendous deep check again. >> You can keep that one. >> And then the horrendous deep check again. >> You can keep that one.

>> And then the horrendous deep check again. >> When's the last time those three made a movie together? Kugin, Fan, and DeFrance. [LAUGH] >> DeFrance is great.

>> I love DeFrance. >> Who is DeFrance? >> She's a different actress. >> She's a different person. >> DeFrance?

>> Or DeFrance? >> No, actually. >> I skipped over all of the friends who are from the new French Academy. >> The French Academy. >> The French Academy.

>> She was the nor wire lady. And there's also a Ray Harry House and mysterious island. >> Yeah, along with the, and then there's a Joseph cotton from the earth to the moon. >> Okay. >> From 1958. >> Okay.

>> That could be fun. >> That could be fun, so this sounds like a really quick 12 movie series. >> It's like nine. >> I think we're over complicated. >> The moon is the one in the book where they just get in a bullet and shoot out the moon,

which I always thought is pretty cool.

“>> Yeah, that's what happens in the Melliers.”

>> Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> We brought that into. >> We break these in a sub-franchises. We go from the earth to the moon. When we go journey, we go to, it leagues, we go days.

>> Maybe there's time, we can play them at 2x. >> Yeah, or 4x, or just play them on the mountainous screen. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> It just be like, I see, I think there's a bee over there. Okay, we're moving on.

>> I'm going to Roy this bait. I can't, how would he say it? >> It's about to ride the bait, the bloody bait. >> I don't know if Michael Kane actually rides the bee because he's not riding the bee. >> I'm sorry, yeah, there's a character poster right here.

>> Yeah, he does. >> Look at his face, he's got a bee on the ground and the bee. >> I'm going to fucking bee. >> I'm running on the bee. >> He doesn't talk like that.

>> Yeah, he doesn't talk like that. We're talking about disclosure day. >> Yes, directed by Steven Spielberg. >> Yes. >> Steven Spielberg decided to jump a little over his comfort zone

and make a movie about our relationship to aliens. This time, he's blowing the doors wide open on this thing. This film is called Disclosure Day. It is directed by Steven Spielberg. >> Yes.

>> It is written by David Kep, his frequent collaborator story by Steven Spielberg. >> Pretty rare that he takes a story card that he's been doing in more lately. >> Getting really excited when I saw that credit. >> Yeah, it was, it's Spielberg, alien story with this. >> It has been a real mystery box movie.

It was just sort of announced Spielberg Kep, alien film was untielled for a while. Then it was called the dish, which was a terrible title. The cast was known, everything else was kind of a mystery for a while.

“>> Wasn't there like another project that was also announced?”

And we weren't sure which one was going to come first. There was like the more historical drama about like Windberg plot against America type folks. >> I mean, sure. >> There was the bullet, yeah, but it felt like he was unconventionally slow to land on a new project post-fablements.

>> Usually that true, that four-year gap is long for him these days. >> Really long, really for any days, I guess. >> But usually he has, I mean, I think he said this in an interview. That basically, the longest gap he had taken previously was the one in between his crazy 93 and his crazy 97, because even in the pandemic, he had a movie come out.

And Fablements came out quickly after. And that was both him building dream works and building a family. There was that feeling of like, usually he's got like 10 movies in development. And the second he's promoting one movie, you hear that he's already starting the next one.

>> We're never going to see that kid, Pope kidnapping movie.

>> No, he dropped that, that got made, it got made. >> There's like an Italian movie that came out about that story. I feel like he just kind of led it, you know, he was like, forget it. >> Now he supposedly were coming to us. Now he's saying he's working on a Western, but it doesn't feel as, it feels like he slowed his clip down.

And I think it's getting into a little bit more of a, I don't want to work for the sake of working. I want to make a thing. I feel an override desire to do. >> He's 79 years old. >> It is crazy.

>> I'm pressing it. >> I have a correction for you. >> He's 79 years young. >> You're right. >> He's a brave lady.

>> He's a brave lady. >> He's a brave lady. >> He's a brave lady. >> He's a brave lady. >> He's a brave lady.

>> He's a brave lady. >> He's a brave lady. >> He's a brave lady. >> He's a brave lady. >> He's a brave lady.

>> I don't think it's pretty crazy that all the boomers are old. I mean, that's life. >> No, it's life. It just does feel wrong to me.

“I think of them as being the whipper stampers, even though I was born in this world,”

that they had already claimed.

where they'd grown up by the time you were watching movies. >> Stevie Spielberg, he's 79. He'll be 80 in December. >> This is 40th each her film? What number are we looking at here?

>> He's going to make me count. >> Let's see.

“Now we're not counting firelight, but we are counting dual.”

>> This is very much a return to, I wouldn't say return to form, but it was framed as a guy's Spielberg is going to do the Spielberg thing

again for the first time in a while.

Down to a thing I saw, our redditors post about, which was a good point. The poster for this movie is Spielberg last name only above the title. >> Yeah, it is hard to think of another case where the director's name is above the title, not yet as a Steven Spielberg film. And there's also not an actor name above the title.

He is, it's as if it's Schwarzenegger. >> You're totally right, no one is that, but he loves these. >> He's a Spielberg Christopher Nolan. >> And a big long billing block. >> Yeah, but the Odyssey's teaser poster is just a Spielberg Christopher Nolan.

>> It's not that, you know, other people couldn't do that. But there's a rare that there's a market campaign that is just Spielberg. >> I mean, there's closure day. >> Look, there's the number one, Lee Kromim, we all know. >> Yes, he can't be touched.

>> But that's not a billing issue, it's his mummy, David.

“>> What if he revealed, I found this mummy, that's why it's called the Kromim's”

mummy, it's my mummy, I didn't direct the bill. >> I was so scared during that movie, I was screaming, I was shaking, I was convulsing, and then someone point out to me, don't worry, Griffin, it's Lee Kromim's mummy. And I went, oh my god, I didn't know who belonged to, oh my god, I was waiting for to be HBO Max drop, oh, sorry, I didn't know who's mummy it was.

>> Whatever, it's going to be on. >> Yeah, I feel bad for Lee Kromim, that was a tough break. >> That was a tough break. >> Maybe this is fall, maybe he was like my name has to be about the title. >> It feels like a real daffy duck shirt thing.

>> But I think more, what I heard was essentially they were like, they want to make it clear, it's not. >> It's the brand of treasure. >> The brand of treasure. >> I would do anything else to make that clear, rather than making the public change.

>> They just called it haunted child, yes, just called it something else. We found a fucked up thing in the desert. We found a fucked up thing. The focus features or whatever, Twitter account, they tweeted once a day for two weeks. >> It was new line, I think.

>> Whatever it was, Brendan Fraser is not in Lee Kronen's mommy. >> Yes, yes. >> I thought they were doing a bit where they were leading up to the prize cameo. >> They were not initially going to tweet that once, then they were like, let's make it a bit. I mean, it was kind of a classic like, well, you made it a bit, and that's kind of like now they're smoke.

And people think there will be fun. >> It was classic just to be clear, this is not a movie based on the toy. >> It's like the serial, my teacher, this has Brendan Fraser, he's not in the mommy's nature. >> They did it like in all caps, it was like, come on, you're like, you're asking for it. >> They were asking for it, Lee Kronen has made, I think, three films.

>> Stephen Spielberg has made 35, 36 if you count Twilight's on the movie, which I don't. >> Yeah, if you're nasty. >> But this is his 35th feature, is from my count. >> Yeah, and good, right, there was the, just sort of, he's doing a UFO movie, he's doing some sort of alien movie. Why is Spielberg going back to this well, we were debating this with our editor Alan Smithy.

How many alien films does Spielberg count?

“If you include Crystal Skull, what you have to, it's five.”

>> So the five are, close encounters, close encounters, the third kind, the ETV extraterrestrial. >> War of the world. >> Then Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of Earth. >> And Disclosure, Thursday. >> Yeah.

>> Remember Gaye T? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, it's kind of crazy.

We did like 45 hours of bits about Gaye T, and we never landed on LGBET.

>> Sometimes it's something's like right in front of you. >> It was right there. >> Well, also, we did, but we definitely did say that he was the extra extraterrestrial. >> Yes. >> We did that.

>> Right, and we won many awards for that. >> A thing I also noted when I was writing my review, is this is his first contemporary films before the world's. And then I saw, so then I started thinking about the little bit more. So do you have the terminal?

That's a contemporary film by him with no funny business. It takes place in an alternate reality in which Tom Hanks's funny, no he's very funny. >> It does have an alien. >> It does, it has an illegal immigrant. >> That's so true.

>> That is so true. >> From Criclosia. >> And normal voice, normal accent on that. >> Victor Navarra's, because a lot of his, when I was thinking about it, a lot of his contemporary set films, I'm, so here we, you know, disclosure day, war of the world's.

Let's set aside terminal for a second here, the Jurassic Park movies.

Y'all, I mean, is always content, I guess it is, it's, it's obviously very old fashioned.

>> But it is set. >> Yeah.

>> I think in the present day.

>> Yeah. >> Definitely an express. >> To grow an express and eat, he, it's so it's like, yeah, and dual sure. And just, but like, you know, things like Jurassic Park, war of the world's, disclosure day.

It's like, yeah, they're set in the present day, sort of, but disclosure day is kind of set in a slightly different world from our own. It's got alien tech and kind of, you know, like it feels, Jurassic Park's a little bit the same, where it's like, yeah, yeah, this is our time, but you're like, yeah, but it's not.

>> We've got a bucket right there. >> We've got a bucket right there.

“>> Right, I think that was part of the pitch on this movie is Spielberg's going to talk”

about our times, this thing that we all love, that Spielberg could make these very emotional character-driven blockbusters that felt like they were in conversation with our world. >> It's also just the thing that like, hey, so if you people get to do an original big movie like this, so it's awesome that he wants to. >> Yes, like when he was like, I might remake bullet.

I was like, I bet you will do a good job if you do that. I don't really want you to do that. I'd rather you took a weirder swing. I also, I think they- >> No, I'm so emotional about it. >> Yeah, you're, you're going to burp.

There are, I would say two modes that Spielberg has been operating in since this century started. One is him sort of trying to become a classicist, right? Trying to become like a hawks or a hues or a Ford and to focus on maybe sort of neglected genres or more classical filmmaking styles and making kind of grown-up movies.

And this whole feeling that he and George Lucas are complaining about IP culture and franchise blockbuster movies, but there's some guilt about maybe what they created and Steven is trying to actively put the opposite type of movie into the system, which for so long, his name was so big that no matter what, basically anything he did became a massive success. And that has fallen off the last 15 little bit, a little bit.

He still Steven Spielberg, but there's no longer a guarantee with there just to be- >> And that's like Lincoln made- >> Lincoln was humongous.

>> He felt like free under a million dollars or something like that.

>> Lincoln was like 180 domestic. >> Yeah, but that's like crazy. >> That's, that's when he still was like anything he does becomes a blockbuster. >> Yeah. >> Obviously, right, West Side Story and Fablemons were not blockbusters. West Side Story was very much the COVID hangover.

“>> Fablemons was one of those things where it's like, I think that movie should have done”

better because it did quite- >> Yeah, it did like not very nothing. >> But it was right, and it was still, you know, 2022 and it was that thing where universal put it on fucking- >> Yeah, the release control was bad. >> After 17 days and they were like, well, this is what we do with all the movies now. And it was just like, guys, the fucking- >> Steven Spielberg made this.

>> Like, have a little- >> It's bad for Oscars. >> Yeah. >> What was the other one I was going to throw out? I mean, the post and Berger Spies both did well, but sort of like, well for adult dramas. They both did like 60, 70 domestic, 100 worldwide.

>> Oh, well, you know what, I'm going to look at something like that. >> Something like that. >> The website where it's easy to look at. >> I'm just kidding. They don't exist.

>> Great. >> There are two modes, there's that.

And then the second mode is, for the last 25 years, he's constantly tempted by, can I go

back and do a classic Spielberg family blockbuster? >> And very lovely. >> A little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit. >> Okay. >> Those are both good numbers.

>> Yeah. Yeah. >> There have been varying levels of success and people disagree about which ones work better than others. But I would say like, 10-10 crystal skull ready play on. >> They're one. >> These are sort of dead.

>> The BFG. These are like, he's trying to go back home again and also trying to find a new modern mode of, how can I be in conversation

“with what's happening right now on Blockbuster movies?”

Like, return for my crown. And this feels like him making a 70's movie. It's what's fascinating about it. Is that it doesn't feel like him being like fuck. What did the kids like today?

>> No, totally. He's, right, ready player. What was a little bit more him being like, let me get in the current sandbox. And see what I want to do. >> 10-10 is, I want to use these new tools in genogenes.

What does this look like in a modern context? >> This is, you're right. >> Right. >> This is more like close encounters. >> It is a Blockbuster adult drama.

>> Now, the other sort of qualifier here as we talked about when we did our original series is that when he does the two, well, I just kind of insane text message. When he does the two, would he believe it's about my grandmother? When he does the two Tom Cruise movies where it's like the biggest director and the biggest star in all of Hollywood or doing something together, they make these two very haunted dark movies.

They're awesome, but they're not traditional audience pleasing blockbusters, right? He makes haunted films. So this is like the promise of kind of Spielberg face, wonder, humanity driven, character driven, performance driven, classic emblem blockbuster.

From the moment they start actually putting out trailer posters,

David, I think you and I pretty unabashedly loved this.

“>> Huge friend of this movie, I think it's fantastic.”

>> I'm curious to see it a second time, because it is a movie that is, you know, like 80% slow burn. And I was loving the unraveling. >> I don't agree on it. >> I don't agree on it. >> It's a very fast one.

>> I thought it was, it drops, first of all, the craziest opening shot of any fucking Spielberg.

>> It's true, you could bet a billion dollars.

What do you think the opening frame of this movie is? >> I would sooner bet that. >> I would sooner bet that than that it is. The opening shot is a, like, an AW wrestler kicking the camera off. >> It really is so fun.

>> But it drops you and media res, and then you're on the run, the whole. >> You're on the run. >> Yeah, that reminded me. >> It reminded me of an earlier course. >> Yeah, and obviously it has that minority report five also of like,

I want to talk about what I'm thinking about right now, but with a sci-fi. >> But it's got the twilight zone thing of where is this going. >> Yeah, sure, sure, sure. >> We're in the middle of the story. We'll tell you stuff is we're moving.

>> How are these things connected? >> But we gotta keep moving. >> Right, gotta keep moving.

“>> I mean, that's what smart about the construction of the movie is that it's able to play both sides of the coin.”

>> Yeah. >> It does the thing that people don't like. We're, you know, everyone's like, so what's going on? Because I'm going to tell you, we gotta get to this house, and then I'm going to tell you one more sentence.

>> And then we gotta do another thing, but it does the pretty well. >> It does the pretty well. >> The characters themselves who don't actually know this is why they're being come out of my eye. >> But you're describing David usually pisses me off, and in this movie, why it works for me off too? >> Is that no one has the complete picture.

Everyone has pieces of it, and they're trying to strategically use what they know to get the support and the allegiance of the others. But no one has the full view of everything, not even con-furth. >> Not even con- >> Con-furth. >> Where's it taking something on to stick? >> I'm grumpy today.

>> Do you think Spielberg's jealous that he's probably only going to end up being the second most powerful stick of the summer movie season?

>> Go ahead. >> One wish willow, fucking whip in the disclosure stats. >> That's a bundle of sticks. >> One wish willow, one wish willow, one wish willow. >> We're going to collect the little kind of, it's got some support through it.

>> Is that a bundle, it's got thorn, it's got thorn, it's got little thorn. >> It's one wish willow, it's got thorn, it's got thorn, it's got thorn. >> That movie, I saw it with no hype beyond fantasy being like, it's pretty good. >> You should check it out. >> You're like your finger, you walked out of the screen and you held up to the wind and you went.

>> I think 340 domestic. >> More than baby Yoda. >> I just walked out being like that, that was very unpleasant and effective. That was like a pretty, yeah, sure. I got it, I got it, right, I did not walk out being like, well, world just changed.

>> Generationally, everything is changing. >> But I'll submit, it's not my vibe of a movie, I suppose.

So I was maybe never going to feel that way.

>> Back in my day kids were using chat GPT to do their homework. >> Then what days they're using one wish willow? >> One wish willow and they say my one wish is to write my next paper for me. >> Just one paper. >> Okay, so Trump administration heard of him is actually like releasing UFO files.

What they love for is files, that's all they do is release files. >> Every file that I want to see, they're releasing. >> So if you go to war.gov/UFO, we live on stupid Earth. >> It's so stupid. >> It's dumb as planet.

>> So he just actually did a second release on May 8th of like a bunch of stuff. I haven't gotten through it. >> And all of the images and video, it's, you know, >> What the fuck is the thing? >> I don't know.

>> Something we need to talk about right away because people have been like, there's already been this closure day and like no one cared. And I'm like, well, the images are basically just like some blobs. >> I don't know, these blobs were weird. >> It's so weird how people have not cared.

>> Because there's nothing to look at. >> I know, but still it's just a weird phenomenon. >> Weird phenomena. >> And you know, the same is we, aliens crashed. >> Yeah.

>> We took the aliens who were alive. >> We were humans. >> And they stole their spaceships to make technology. >> Sorry, we didn't tell anyone. >> We used to go like, first is like, yeah, a plane was flying in the air.

And it's all Bob, and the Bob was weird. >> Yeah. >> And the Bob kind of moved in a weird way. And we do have a video that if you'd like to see.

“>> This is the way I think the ending of this movie has to go as hard as it does.”

Because it needs to be like, what if all networks were co-opted by 15 minutes of just decades of footage? You know, so much shit. >> It looks like little guys and little alien costumes. >> They're like the moment in the film where you start to see. And we're getting into spoilers, not this.

But there was the moment in the film where you start to see the aliens for the first time.

You've seen it more recently than us. >> The first image is like the torture. >> It's the torture. >> I started right, right. It's Joshua Connor showing Eve Houston on the laptop.

>> Yeah. >> And I started pumping my fist and I was like, he's just fucking doing it. He's just putting a gray, almond eye. >> Right.

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“>> So disclosure day, do you think that you both are fully on board?”

>> I feel like you and Ben are moderate positive? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It was not perfect.

I was not like holy fuck, this is a perfect movie. There were moments of it where I was really emotionally affected and very enraptured and there were other moments where a nurse asks Emily Blunt, did the trauma that happened in your childhood? Did you ever seek help for that?

Or the last 15 minutes of the movie? >> The last 15 minutes I was on the edge of my seat. I mean, this is the thing. We saw with a bunch of people, you know, the king of TikTok himself. >> Reese, I was there.

>> I was sitting next to Reese. >> Yeah. >> Alan Smithy was there. A lot of our critic friends, Esther and her soon to be husband Bob. So we were all talking after the movie.

“And it was one of these things where I really think this boils down to the last 15 minutes.”

Either you're 100% on board and that wins you over. Or you push back on it a little bit. Because it's Spielberg going full Spielberg. It's him going hard, not in spectacle, but in his emotionality, in his worldview. >> And we'll get into it.

But I just want to say the religious stuff at the end. And the none, being like aliens are also God's children. >> I was like, boo, I love that part. >> I love that part. >> That's usually a thing I bristle at in movies because I'm a dirty, leftist coastal lead even.

But like that's a thing on trauma on movies where they get to spiritual. And I'm like this stopped being my language. This is not an in for me. I feel like I'm being recruited. And this like I bought it as a storytelling thing.

It didn't feel like being, like it was being pushed on me. >> They also got me like when Elizabeth Marvel is like. >> So good. >> In Genesis, the line is, you know, God's greatest creation on earth. >> Yes.

>> I'm like in the theater. I'm going like, oh shit.

Like I never thought about it.

>> It was right there in the text. >> Oh fuck. >> God was right about aliens. God was like, God fucking aliens. That's fucking crazy.

That's what God was like.

“>> I think the movie, like what religion is supposed to do, historically it has not.”

But it's supposed to make you love your fellow human and have respect for humanity and other people. So like believed that there is some sort of higher power out there that is governing all of us and bringing us together. >> I think it's the aliens in this film are used as a device. This is now the thing that is bringing everyone together.

>> And I love that unity. >> That's totally true.

You know, it can be bugged.

You know what I mean? It's sort of like, they don't have to be mutually exclusive. We could find out that, I mean, that's sure that the aliens exist on earth. And that doesn't mean like you have to abandon your belief system or like the way you think the world was ordered or whatever.

Like, you know, God can fit into that, however you like. >> I think this movie is back and fit into a lot of stuff. >> In my reading, this movie is about two things primarily. So Marie, what you were saying about like what religion in theory serves to do, right?

“I think even beyond that, it serves to give us a language, a shared language of understanding for how to be a lot, right?”

That is the basic underlying purpose of any organized religion is a set of codes, and ethics, and morals, and values through which to understand human existence. That gets distorted and weaponized in a million different ways, which is why I get really uneasy with religion and when movies feel like they're pushing religious text on me. I don't think this film is pushing a theological reading of the universe.

I think it is using characters with theology to explore what it's actually saying. Which to me is two things, right? There's a kind of personal story in this of what Spielberg's going through in his life. And then there's a sort of larger, this is what Steven wants to say about the current state of the world.

The personal story is Spielberg has always said that he doesn't like therapy,

or that rather, he went to one therapy session and didn't find it useful, and that for him working through his issues through his movies is always what felt productive to him. And that's why you got these movies where people went like, "Huh, Steven Spielberg so soon really hung up about this divorce thing, because it was basically men will become the most successful director in the history of Hollywood to avoid going to therapy." All this time, he's avoiding making the movie about the real thing, which is the fablements.

He gets that out of his system. He makes the movie where everyone who works on that is like he was crying on set all the time. It was a really difficult process. He exercised something from his system, and he's promoting that movie, and he's like, "I actually don't know what I make next. To a certain degree I've been avoiding making this movie my whole career, and I don't know what I have to say." And this is a movie about two people processing trauma.

It is a movie about two characters who end up being the ones who can serve to create a catharsis for people at large, through reckoning with their own trauma and their own history. Things that they have pointedly just been saying, "I don't want to fucking think about that shit anymore." I don't need that. I'm fine. I'm functional. That's thing one. Thing two in this movie is Spielberg talks a lot about having his existential crisis during the pandemic as many of us did.

What do I fucking do now? I've just been work work work work work work. Now I'm slowed down. I can't make movies. If I only make one movie again, what is it? What's the one movie I have to make? Fablements, but also really reckoning with the world. He said he would leave his home and just drive around for hours because he didn't know what to do with himself. And I think what this movie is commenting on is we are living in obviously a very fractured world in which people live in alternate realities

and is very impossible to get any agreement on anything. Religions one of these things that's supposed to unify people. It is only push people further apart. It has only made things more violent. And we went through this collective trauma of this horrible global pandemic that affected literally everyone on the planet to some degree.

“And it fractured us even further. And I think he's creating a simulation of, is there anything that could happen?”

A form of communication that actually unified all of humanity for a minute. And I think this movie builds to a note of and what happens now. The last word of this movie I believe is listening. And it's sort of like the next step is what do we say now that we have everyone's attention? Because for one brief moment for 15 minutes, we have collectively gotten everyone onto the exact same page. There is now a reality that has just adjusted that we all have to understand.

And I think it's basically saying there's now something new that's like replacing religion.

Not that the aliens will become their own religion, but that part of it is that the Elizabeth Marvel character is someone who's not fighting this. Is saying like this doesn't negate my worldview because my worldview is less about the dogmatic text here than it is about the ideas of what we're trying to get out, which is a unification of empathy, which this movie is about like, is there any fucking way that empathy could win again? Is there any way that we could all just get on the same page about that?

To see from a lot of movies of like, if we learned about, you know, extraterrestrials, would that somehow unite us?

“Because I think Spielberg is a sort of, I mean, is he religious? Is he spiritual? He talks about this?”

He's also not Catholic, he is a human. But he was raised, you know, a little more religious than he was, and he says he kind of reconnected with it. And, you know, like, there's a lot of spiritual thought in his movie, and kind of like, how do we reconcile, you know, spirituality with, you know, science and modernity? Right, you know, also it's the dynamic of his parents.

You know, he's just been the artist. And just that I'm caramelizing the Joshua. I mean, truly, it's one of them.

“It's a communicator and a mathematician in this movie, right?”

And it's as he's confronting or thinking about what you're talking about of like, could empathy triumph and how could this, you know, grow over today? And he's picking a, whatever, DOD subcontract or whatever Joshua Conner is.

Basically, someone who got sucked into the deep state, because he's good at math.

Because he was hacker and it was the one way he was going to get his prison sentence. He had to plan it. Obviously, well, agree. Yeah. And then, and then she's, what is she? She's a weather girl.

She's a local meteorologist. Yeah, she's a meteorologist, of course. But you know, like, she's a, you know, she's a media figure. She's a TV person. Yeah.

It's almost a fashion at this point. Yeah. But like, I don't need Spielberg making a movie about like an influencer anyway. Like, you know what I mean? No, fine with him alighting on like, she's this kind of mainstream TV.

We're going right to the end in certain ways. But I think one of those moves that's moving makes that is so smart and is a, a move indicative of a Spielberg level of confidence and intelligence. Is that she breaks the story. And very quickly, it gets transferred over to the actual, like, national network news. Yeah.

That was something, and I'm sorry. A lot of my issues with this movie were like, yes, I am aware that I am watching a movie about aliens. So already there's a level of suspension of disbelief. But there were other things where I was just like, you know, like kind of squinting at screaming like, is something doesn't pass the, the smell test.

Like, I haven't watched local news in years. Same. I can't say I watch a lot of local news. Sure. Do do do like the news people in Kansas City report on what's going on in North Korea.

I mean, if nuclear war was about to break out possibly. Yeah, I would think so. They don't just hand it over to the national.

“No, I mean, they're competitive. I think it's both. And I think I think this movie, you know,”

it's this other fascinating thing that you hear for years. And it's been more and more open secret lately. That like Steven Spielberg is obsessed with S&L and attends most tapings of S&L. And now has moved to New York. He is a New York resident. That was my first thought of why he moved to New York.

He was like, he was like, I can't keep doing the weekly flight. I would hear it from people that he would fly in just and he'd sit behind the monitor with, you know, the people who like work on S&L and like it's weird.

You've worked just always.

It means he said like the words doja cat or whatever. Right. I mean, like if he's having a watch like current S&L. Also, why isn't he hosting? He's been like, I love, you know, Anita forever.

He's like, you know. Steven Domingo's dad or some shit. Didn't call, uh, didn't, uh, Domingo host S&L this year. He didn't SNL didn't he? Oh, Coleman Domingo.

I meant Domingo. Oh, that's amazing. So the great character of Domingo. Yes. Wait.

Did they address that on the Coleman Domingo? I think he didn't. Coleman Domingo was great in that episode. I believe you know, Coleman Domingo was a cast member of the big gay sketch show on logo. Uh, I did.

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“I know every single thing about the big gay.”

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Every time I bring this up, there are always no turtle animal defenders who get mad at me.

“But when I, I think I saw that movie with Joe Reed reading Ray and Joe.”

And when I realized, oh, the structure of this movie is just going to be Amy Adams, where reads a chapter of a manuscript. And while wearing a cocktail dress. And then it cuts to her going like, whoa. She makes a phone call.

She gets a voice mail. She's like, hey, I read this crazy chapter. I just want to talk to you. Anyway, call me back. Reading glasses back on time for another chapter.

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Can I just put just to get us a little bit back on the rails here. I want to talk about giving me the thumbs up. Can I throw out a take? And I want to get your read on it. I'm currently holding the photo of Mike Myers.

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We are getting back on track. This is about the structure day.

My first thought when I see Colin Firth in disclosure day with the beard, with the turtle neck.

Mm-hmm. Like, is this kind of a hottest piece of Robin on screen? It's a good look. Go with no. Because I think Colin Firth and Barry Hansen.

First, first. I think Colin Firth has been very handsome in a lot of movies. I think he's very handsome. I mean, I guess we can't count Pride and Prejudice because that's not a movie. I'm like, okay, maybe not ever.

But like, it's a great look of like, of late. Of late.

“Well, I was honestly kind of thinking like, where's Firth been?”

Because he's obviously very good in this movie. Because he's good at this kind of shit. And this is an installment of Firth things Firth. Just kidding. And I was just, and I was like, I know if I look it up.

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which is only a couple years ago. And like, you know, he does a lot of British shit that barely makes it over here. Like movies called like mothering Sunday or, you know, where you're kind of like, Well, I assume that was fine. It's a real title just so people know.

That's not a thing that David made up with. Yeah. But I feel like we've not been, you know, We're using our Firth well enough. Yeah.

It's a great take. I mean, just looking here, it's like, God. Yeah. I mean, like, King's been to.

He is, you know, kind of the lead. But then you're like, he's in five movies in 2018. The happy prince, which he played Oscar Wilde's friend. That's a Rupert Everett's Oscar Wilde. The mercy.

Where he's on a boat. That was directed by James Marsh who did theory of everything. Yeah. Well, I mean, here we go again.

“Obviously, you know, some of that smaller part.”

Yeah. Have you, if you guys seen Rylane? Yeah, Rylane's good. He has a cameo and Rylane. Yeah.

As a tortilla chef. That Mexican restaurant called Love Guactually. They credit him, crater him. They credit him as burrito maker. Yes.

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“If you want to see a picture of him in it.”

But like Mary Poppins returns. He's the villain. That's kind of thing. Plus, 1970's like an extended cameo. I mean, this is kind of a better version of his Mary Poppins thing.

Yeah. Of kind of like, can you just come in and kind of go like, Well, I don't know about that. Play again. It's just very specifically.

It's the amount of gray in his hair. Operation mince meat was good fun. Yeah. That one's good fun.

But that basically caught in it.

Oh, no. This is what I'm talking about. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. He's not on a naughty looks. He looks lovely.

What, but I'm just hanging. - I think the turtle neck, the beautiful line of his shoulder. - In the last rooming. - No, I think it's great luck. - The last Bridget Jones was he a ghost.

- Yeah, he could get a ghost. - He could get a ghost. - He could get a ghost. - He could get a ghost. - He could get a ghost.

- He could get a ghost. - He could get a ghost. - Do you think he's hunting fever pitch way back when? A movie that was very formative for me is time. - I think he looks pretty dizzy.

- Yeah. - He's got this sort of like puffy hair. - Yeah. - I mean, I didn't see it. - So I'm gonna do that.

- So there but without the interesting bone structure. - Well yeah, I was gonna say it'd be still my heart. I mean, Sessa. - I mean, yes. - We're big, we're big, we're big, we're big Sessa fans.

But again, he's got like striking features. - And the idea of him in fever pitch was kind of like, yeah, he's a bit of a dork. Like he used to clean up his head, like, you know, who's next to him there in fever?

- Mark's strong. - Yeah, that's a great. - From the way back? - If you discount what are basically cameos. Rylane, he's credited for Barbie

where they were used footage. There's a documentary he narrated, Emperor Jones. He doesn't make a movie in between Empire of light and disclosure day.

What he does do in that time. - The staircase I forgot about, I'm gonna tell you a couple of things. - I liked it. I thought he was good in it.

- Never watched it obsessed with the documentary.

He did something called locker be a search for truth. - So that was a pretty shit. - You know, locker be is a very famous British, you know, a plane was blown up over Scotland. - Okay, over the town of locker be.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And then this is really important. - It's of course. - It's of course. - Plays my cross-employer,

“- Sir, buccapolis, buccapolis, buccapolis, I believe.”

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And Hero finds Tiffin played for a young Sherlock. - I thought you were gonna say that he shows up in Watson. - No, Watson, unfortunately. - Watson, he's played his boss.

- Yeah. - Watson has been canceled. - It's been axed, but now young Sherlock is here to pick up. - Not like. - Fuckin' Dr. Who's been axed like, I'm like,

- How's it? - Britain's got it, yeah, they find it. - I thought they just were like, "Oh, we're just not bringing back "and shoot you got one, we're gonna start over."

- It's back to the starving board. - It's back to even, right, you know, the last episode ended with him turning into Billy Piper, and then when everyone asked like, "Oh, so what's the plan there?"

They're like, "Yeah, we don't know. "We just kind of filmed that and figured out "please, we'll figure that out later." - Next year, he was like, "He's the next doctor "and they're like, maybe we're, maybe it's possible."

- And Russell TV's was supposed to stay on for many more years. - A hundred percent. - Yeah. - And the fan backlash to that moment was so intense. - They also clearly just didn't have any.

- And then, of course, right, the lack of a plan was so apparent. And finally, BBC was just like,

“"I think we're gonna just like blank slate this."”

Like, Dr. Who's sort of out to pastor right now if someone's got a pitch, let us know.

- Can we talk about the most important thing here?

- Yeah. - Are we gonna go back to disclosure today? - Is this Emily Blon's best performance software? - Uh, woo, ever. - Curseable.

- It's conversations, very good in the film. - I think she's phenomenal. I would, I immediately was like, "Okay, this is edge of tomorrow level." - I mean, that's the conversation.

- But I have seen my summer of love. - That's the other one, those are the three. - I'm currently she's quite amazing, but I've seen it, so. - And she's obviously like unbelievably good

in Devore's product, but I'm giving those other three moves to the advantage because she has more screen time. - She, uh... - For me, it's all about pain hustler.

No, I don't know. - She totally blew me away. - Yeah. - She's really, really incredible in the movie. - A little bit of a we take her for granted.

- It is. - I have to address the elephant in the room, which is, she's one of those actors who comes up a lot when you're talking about how... - Everyone looks like a member of the Dursal family now.

- I mean, lots of cosmetic procedures have made actors, specifically actresses. - Struggle to emote because they don't have... - Unless they are less expressive. - Right, they don't have is more and more leading men these days.

- That's why I was like, you know what? - It's happening. - It's happening. - I guess, fucking Rosie O'Donnell, when she was like, everyone's gonna see my face lift.

I'm like, yeah, it's a good face lift. - You want it to be beautiful, yeah? - Yeah, I haven't seen her. - She's like a great. - She's great.

Yes, Rosie. - But I think one, it works for the character. - I agree. - I mean, that she is a meteorologist.

- Yep. - When I saw the trailer,

“he really fits the kind of like local news famous guy.”

- There is something so affecting about having someone who looks kind of plasticy and up being the most empathetic connector.

- And that you see her face ultimately

her emotions transferred to her muscles, break through all of the word she's ever seen in this movie that took my breath away. And that is after a pretty crazy action set piece where they are in a cart,

where Emily Blent and Joshua Connor in a car chase. And then the car ends up hitting the side of a train. And then they get pulled along in the train. And then another train is coming in the opposite direction. And they have to like get, they have to survive.

And they end up like climbing inside a train cart the last minute. And it is a train car full of like pianos being delivered. - Yes. - And she has a panic attack.

- It's really good. - Which it is was crazy to see a character have a really understandable human reaction to surviving an action set piece. - Yes.

- You never get that. And as Joshua Connor is like helping her breathe. And she's like I can't feel my hands. I can't feel my hands. He's rubbing her hands against piano wires.

- Right. - I was like, I was like on the edge of my seat. And when I'm like, I've had panic attacks. - Me too. - Many times and I'm like, this is the most accurate.

- Like it's a really hard going to perform and not look hammy as hell. It's hard to not make it just feel like a ton of fucking business. - What I also liked about that scene before

is just like the first minute of it.

You're like, okay, what's happening now? - Right. - You have that thought like, well, she's got magic power. - Right. - Like he's fucking another communicator coming in.

- And then you sort of start to settle down with Josh. - Right. - As the viewer and you're kind of like, no, no, right. She's just having a human reaction.

- Right. - As Marie said. - It also helps that the guy he hired to play the mathematician is naturally one of the most empathetic actors alive.

- He's like the most sensitive bedside manner - He's doing that Spielberg thing of like, he's the co-lead, but he's very much like, I am very happily the second lead kind of the off-ball. Like, you know, right, the emotional support character

because it starts with him and the actions invested in him. He stole the data. - Right. - He's on the run. - Oh, he's the hero.

And then he's Emily Blunt's story unfolds. You're like, oh, she's kind of right. - He's the kind of alpha here. - Right.

“- Should we start, should we start to talk about the plot?”

- Yeah. - So an AW wrestler kicks in the camera. We see Joshua Connor's out of match. He's with a backpack. He's trying to negotiate a handoff,

but he's around a by-gufferman agent's. Call him for those show up here or is it all his underlings? - Call him first. - He's there.

- He's there. - He shows up in the back of Ellie. - Right. - If he was in, who, if you don't know, is Bono's daughter. - She sure is.

- Oh, okay. - I told you bed, but you didn't listen. - I don't know if I talk about you too. This is what you're hearing. - Yeah.

(laughing) - You know what's funny? - Yeah. - You know what's funny, Ben, is she actually, she's biologically Bono's daughter,

but she wasn't conceived in the traditional sense. One day she just showed up on an iPod. (laughing) - That's a pretty good joke. - That's a pretty good joke.

- I started thinking about it and I was like, I better not trip over this wording because I'm sitting on a fucking hot hand. And suddenly I got a royal flush. I just got a slap this thing down on the tape.

- You know, she's, she's been acting for a while. - She's phenomenal in the neck,

which was I think most people's first-

- That's for my mother. - Her picture of spies. She's worked with Spielberg before. She's like the daughter's being like, she's the one who's got the boy friend.

- She's recently, well, she was on bad sisters on Apple TV. She was in Florence on, which is, - I forgot that. - And it's like, she's great in it.

It's not a good movie. All the parts with Joseph Gordon live it and it made me want to throw something at my screen, which was great. - You don't want to hear me play music.

- I just want to show my music with her. - I like her, I wrote it down. And why don't I have a conversation about AI? - What do I have like her? - Wow, your, your joke-o love is really good.

- Good. - Yes, my one good impression. I don't really remember her in Jake Kelly. - She plays the woman, the actress. - It's the flashback.

- She's the one they fought over. - Yeah. - She's the one who left, uh, right. - Right. - She's good, and she's got that one big scene.

- Yeah, I think she's a good actor. She's definitely like a daughter of the daughters, right? - I think, it's implied that she's the mother of the daughter, or at least one of them.

“I think that's what we want, Jake Kelly.”

- I like Jake Kelly, yeah. - He's a good woman. - Jake, hey, remember who? - That's a movie that, bring it back. What do you mean after she's like Jake Kelly, too?

- Yes, it's not a perfect film, but I think that films a lot, uh, darker and meaner than people think it is. - 100% the movie ends with him crying, saying,

- But, yeah, I enjoyed it. - Um, okay, so back to the school,

“if you can please Jane, the girlfriend of Daniel,”

like by Josh O'Connor, and she has been held hostage to use as a bargaining chip. - Yes, 'cause he's stolen some of his gotten an alien stick. - Right, he's stolen a gun. - No, no, no, no one's an alien stick.

- We don't know what any, at this point in the movie, we don't know what the hell's going on, but we didn't know that he's got a stick. - He's got a stick, he's got a stick. - He's got a stick with bare hands.

- He's got a user glove, they all go, you don't know how to operate that thing. - And he tries to do this hand off

and get her back to safety, and she basically is like,

I just had to fucking survive being kidnapped because of you, I'm not leaving your fucking side. It is such a great Spielberg kind of setup to be like, here's a relationship that's at a bit of a crux point of is this about to get really serious or not,

and now they're being tested in like a world altering event, and they're trying to use this event to establish better lines of communication, right like it's basically a young couple being like, are we really going to make this work or not?

- They also, you realize that they don't really know anything about each other. - Totally. - So she did not know that he was, she doesn't know any of why any of this is happening, she also didn't know that he was previously in jail.

- Didn't know that it, you know we had a mysterious government drop. - He didn't know that she was a novice yet, so she had spent the time to potentially become a nun. - What would you think if you date in someone

and they dropped that info? Like I actually would almost none. I almost went none. - Almost like fall on. - I think it's kind of hot, yeah.

“- I think it depends on like what's your relationship”

to all of that today? - Yeah. - That's true. - Would be my first question. - But I think you know, it's like, oh, most people who I know are like the whole like,

oh, I lost the calling thing. I'm like, nah, you wanted to have sex. - She says we've had sex.

- It's a brutal, they're never gonna overcome that

in the marketing, right? - The Vowagehacity thing, it's a horrible cell. - Yeah, sure. - Well, I mean, but like, I mean, I really liked when Regina Hall, yes, Regina Hall?

Yes, was on Amy Polish podcast, and she talked about how she almost became a nun. - Regina Hall almost became a nun? - I really recommend it, it's really funny. - It's amazing.

- And she talks about how like a lot of convents, not every novice, but a lot of convents, they guard against the like, we're not your backup. So if you're like 38, they sniff you out of like, hey, just 'cause you're not happy with like,

however, things have gone, you don't get to just like be a nun now. Like, you know, it just kind of like, well, I wanted to just live with you guys and who cares about dating or like,

you know, having the job or whatever. - It's kind of like a saving solver in situation if that helps translate, you know, where the nuns can kind of sniff out to you, you're not, you're avoiding something like that.

- And then I won't put it with you. Like, and some of them, like, if you've had more than three sexual partners, which I don't know about you and me, but a name is like, oh, I've, you know, and it's very funny.

- There's that moment where any polar goes, what was it like working with Leonardo DiCaprio? And she, like, scratches her eyelid and she goes,

you know, the problem is he's just very green.

- Yeah, I did see that, but... - He doesn't have a lot of experience. - Speaking of Regina Hall and Leonardo DiCaprio, I was thinking about one battle after another a lot during this interview, because he on the run nature.

The alien sticks kind of look like the device, the music devices, there's a lot of, they hide out with nuns, there's a lot of, like, dodge, like, car chases. - This is true. - And so I was like, okay.

- It's cool, it's moving. - I know I feel very glad to unveil some of mine. - This movie has, like, four or five kind of classical set pieces that are, like, beautifully-speelberg stage. - Yeah, it's got some proper, you know, right,

like, buckbuster stuff, but they're not super long in a way where we've gotten so used to a creep of, if a sequence starts... - It's got to be like, 20 minutes, yeah, truly. - And I kept thinking, like, I know your big takeaway David

was, like, it's so tender, I was surprised by how tender it was. I think it was the word you use. - Tender. - Tender, that's moving. - And I was just, like, it's really, like, classical.

It feels, like, really kind of, like, simple and focused in its own weird way down to, like, oh, they're trying to, like, cross this train comes, it's clipping them. The train is being, the car is being dragged by the train. And you're, like, this is fun.

Is it gonna be 15 minutes? And you're, like, no, it's four. - It's, it's pretty brief for this. - Yeah. - They handle it in a way that regular people

at their absolute adrenaline limit, my people handle it. And then they're really freaked out after. - They're not like, whoa, that was crazy. Anyway, you know, like...

- A car turns invisible, and you're seeing the effects of water and stepping into the barn. - I really like, I like that. - And I was, like, 50 feet.

“- Oh, so, is he gonna do 15 minutes of invisible car?”

- Car chase now. - And you're, like, no, three. - Like, another day did. - Find another day. - It did.

- It's so funny to the physical comedy of it, or they keep running into the invisible stuff.

- It's like, following the window. - Oh, I loved it. - It's, but that's Spielberg's total management. - Can I tell you, please? - Just do you railing the pod here,

but I just want to tell you why. - The four winners of this year's Honorary Oscars. - Oh. - Were they just announced? - Just announced.

- Can you give us the, can you give us the categories for fashion?

- First, okay, she just guessed one of them.

- Wow. - They're definitely giving it to us. - They're giving it to us. - They're giving it to us. - They're giving it to her.

- They're giving it to her. - They're giving it to her. - They're giving it to her. - They're giving it to her. - Anyone has ever done to her.

- She's not gonna win a competitive Oscar, or she will in the classic, like, well, now that we gave you an Honorary, they're called to win. - I threw out some Marie.

Is there any chance that there's a stealth candidate in, as Sunrise on the Reaping? - Yeah. Like, I don't think she's probably in it enough. - And my whole thing is, like,

she was really good in the fucking wake-up department. - Yeah. - And, you know, they even tried. - And she's kind of like, all right, so Glenn closest one.

- Okay. - Another is a producing team. - Um, is the Kennedy and Marshall? - No, you probably won't get indie producers. Legendary, indie producers.

- Oh, there you go. - Oh! - And I'm like, can't remember that. - Oh, that's awesome. Oh, that's awesome.

- Yeah. - Another is a very, very esteemed, a workaholic director who's still working even though he's old, and he's a bit of a grump. And he has no competitive Oscar.

Similar to Glenn close. - But a lot of non-manample. - But a lot of non-manample he doesn't have an Oscar, yes. - Ridley Scott. - Ridley Scott.

- There we go. - And I'm sure his speech will be Sunshiny.

Well, the problem is they're gonna have Grover

present the award to him and get his order wrong. David's doing the face.

“The fourth, I think, might excite you, Griffin Newman,”

because it's an animator. It's an animator. - An animator. - He makes the cartoons. - Future films.

- Sunblath. - No. - Dunblath. What medium of animation is this? - He worked at Disney for very many years,

and he's worked at Head of Barbarra, and is a clean, big star. - No. - He's also a pioneer in his field, an African-American animator.

- Oh, oh, it's Floyd Norman. - Floyd Norman. - Allegiant. - 90 years old. - Allegiant.

- Worked on Toy Story 2. - Yes. - But it's a work-dog like-- - Worked on Toy Story 2. - Sleeping Beauty, right after.

- He's a bit of a forest-company animation. That's a very cool one. - That's a very cool one. - It's a good four. - Yeah, or five.

- Marie just had a really funny reaction, which is I pulled the name Floyd Norman, and she looked stunned that I could know a name of someone that obscured. And then I star her face settle until like,

if he doesn't know that, then who is he? - Yeah, kind of. - What? - What? - What? That was the arc. You were like, how did you pull that? Well, right, you're fucking you. That's the shit in your brain. So I'm really excited to learn about this guy.

“- Yeah, he's a really cool guy. I think he's written a book.”

He might have been the first African-American animator. - He's something. - He's something. Yeah, we're on those lines. - Yeah, we're on those lines. - Yeah, we're on those lines. - He's been everywhere. - He's been everywhere. - But he also like, Alvin and the Chitt monks in the 80s.

- And wrote that chicken? That's so fucking cool. - Yeah, it was like, when they, when Picks forgot big enough that they needed to hire more animators, it was such a big deal that it was like, we can get fluid normal. And I think he worked on like two or three at that point in time. - Disclosure day. - Disclosure day. Okay, so it's pretty long happened in ESC. - Yes, and then we got to talk about our introduction to Emily Blunt.

- That's the first time to take us. So they escaped and they hide out in a comment. We now jump over to meeting Emily Blunt. - So her and her boyfriend. - Played by Wyatt Russell. - David's boyfriend. - I mean, I do love you. Yeah, he's great. - He's great. - They're hanging out in their cool loft in Kansas City, Missouri, and she is not- - I do have royal season ticket holder would be fun.

- The sounds I could make the movie a lot more interesting. - I'm going to say, if you were this character, and you had

- Has anyone here ever been to Kansas? - No, never to Kansas.

- I know I'm going to Kansas City of Missouri. - My and on Uncle Ken moved out there for a bit, and I went to visit them as a child. A lot of fun like art museums and stuff for kids there, kind of like an underrated art city. - I'd like to go. I want to go to Kaufman Stadium before closes. I want to get some of that BBQ. I think they got a big old zoo in Aquarium, like I think I got some cool stuff. - Oh, they have their own big up view. - Big up view. - Which is the place it's a rub.

- Yeah. - Base, less saucy-based. - Yeah. - Friend of the show passed in future guest Heidi Gardner. - No, no, he's from there. - Oh yeah, he's from Atlanta. - And she's from Atlanta. - And she's from Atlanta. - And she's from Atlanta. - She's from Atlanta. - But if anybody invests a lot into the community and has a lot of cool projects in particular coming up.

“- Shout out to Kansas. - Yeah. - But Emily why didn't you ask Kim, he's the barbecue guy?”

- Right. - Oh, fuck that. - Okay, how did you not tell my son what's your school? What's my school? Low and slow. - David? - Yes, you got any big summer plans? If you're traveling, you got late nights, packed weekends, zero structure, any of those, keeping agey-one in your routine helps you stay consistent.

loaded word unpredictable. - Oh, I don't want that, and I know you don't even look. - It's a daily health drink. - Mm-hmm. - With a multi-vitamite. - Yep. - Free and pro-biotic. - Yep, superfoods. - Mm-hmm. - And anti-oxidants. - It's an all-star lineup. - One scoop, eight ounces of water, you just shake it or you go. - That's it, you drink it. It takes 30 seconds. - I know you drink it every single day.

What's your favorite flavor right now? - Right now, I'm actually really big into Barry. I've been cycling through them and I've been, I've really been enjoying this Barry phase. I will say this as well, David. You said it wherever you are. I'm about to go away for six weeks and you better believe I just ordered a whole box of travel packs so that I don't have to travel unarmed. - I had no doubt. So visit drinkag1.com/check to get your free morning person hat

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And another highlight. - It's not a two-way gift. I'm going to tell you the truth. - To the best price. Now up 2,890,000. - Go to Wartefaultie. streaming was also not so wow. Emily Blent. She is a meteorologist. She wants to be a serious news reporter. - She's trying to get that break. I like this couple. - Yeah. He seems to be, what Russell seems to be like a little late back or anything younger dude. - She

witnesses a cardinal. - Lans on their open window. - Comes in the room and then all of a sudden she starts speaking in Russian. - It's a really cool scene. Our buddy Sean Fancy was talking on Big Picture about the end of Oak Street coming out. - Yeah, the David Robert Mitchell.

“- I know that looks good. - I think it looks awesome. He was talking about the optimism for”

that movie. - He put his finger on a thing that I've felt for a long time and I've never been

able to verbalize, but he's like my single favorite thing in the movies. The best feeling I can have is that sort of extended Twilight Zone thing of where is this going. Pieces are being laid out and I don't understand how they fit together and even if a movie sticks the landing and satisfies me with the answers, he was like, there's no feeling I like more than being in the middle of a movie like that. - Totally. - And this movie is supposed to be good at doing this shit.

We're like, why is suddenly everyone reacting really weird to this bird? The movie gets really quiet. The John Williams score on this film is excellent, but it barely kicks in until the second hour. - But it is a very good score. - The first hour is kind of silent. After his post score is so minimal, right? And he did not do, obviously website story, he did dial up destiny, which that score got as I've said. - I can grow a sack of rocks. - Yeah, but that wasn't

the first film we were going to, I'm like, did he do? His fableman score, I just kind of remember

“being like, lovely. - I think it's really lovely. - But not like, I don't like, I can't”

get someone any themes for it or like, you know, not like sticking in my head, and I was like, I wonder if he's just kind of moved to the back. - Hold on. - Right. Like, he does softer quieter stuff. - This requires a little more. - It felt like the, I felt like the, I felt like jazz slash a tonal. - Yeah. - Sort of stuff coming, which totally. - I don't even have

always appreciated about him. - But this moment with the cardinal landing, you could imagine a

version of it in which the William score starts swelling already and the camera pushes it down. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And instead everything is just kind of slow and eerie and quiet. And then this moment of her speaking Russian goes on way longer than you think. - They also, like, okay, so to talk a little bit about the trailers for this movie, they reveal that she does the speaking in a weird alien dialect. - That was the first trailer,

which was otherwise pretty vague, but was built around the set piece of... - Did, I had,

“that might have been the only trailer I saw. Did they show her speaking other languages?”

- No. - Like that to me, I was like, oh, totally. - Right. - And, you know, that, that, that, the scene of her speaking in the alien language while live on air, recalls so many videos

that tend to go viral now of, like, local newscaster has stroke. - Yeah, that are always so strange.

it's not even so much that you're watching someone suffer, but it's kind of like, "Watch reality break." - Yes. - Right, like, watch everything just be normal, and then not normal,

“you know, like, yes. - I think it has to be notified by that, and I even wonder if that was the”

starting point for this character being a broadcaster, but the things that are so strange about

those moments is not just the reality is breaking, but it's people who are so trained and polished

and composed, and you see their survival instincts kicking in, where they're still kind of like carrying themselves correctly, but what they're saying no longer makes sense, and so we know that moment's coming because it's in the trailer. She starts speaking Russian, which is this other thing you hear that sometimes people have these bizarre, medical side effects, where they wake up and they're fluent in another language, or they start speaking tongues or whatever it is, and the scene's just

very odd, she gets in her car to drive to work, she's running behind a couple's for over, and then she does this fucking emotional reading of him. You're trying to arrest me because you got in a fight with her, and she knows every specific detail, and for a second, you're like, is this this character sort of, like, party trick that she's learned how to read people, and she doesn't know this sort of, a mentalist thing, right? - Right, but she's getting

cloaking the mouth, yes. And instead, she's like, it's shaken by it. What just came out of me, and then she goes into her workplace and starts the broadcast, and then she starts speaking to someone and Korean. - Right, right, right. There's a Korean war that's, uh, we're on the brink of, and they have a Korean guest who's speaking as an expert, and they're having trouble with the translator, and she jumps in and like clarifies everything. And everyone's like, since when you

know Korean, she's like, what do you talk about? I don't know Korean. All this is fascinating, where you're like, you're watching Emily Blunt, Pivot so fast to do things hyper confidently, and then immediately

“have no memory of what she just did or understanding of how it came off. - Well, I think it's not,”

that she's heeding it as English. - Yes. - Right. - She does not, that she's like, yes, she's not, like, forgetting. It's similar to later when Joshua Conner's like, I know what she said, and when it's like, no one knows what she's saying. - They've been given the code, yeah. - The way that information is revealed in the movies, I think is really cool, because like, we don't learn that Joshua Conner is someone who is also had an alien encounter

until further in the film, we don't learn that he was able to understand her alien language on the TV broadcast until a little later. And we also, the way that they reveal that this stuff,

like, I think I assumed that Emily Blunt always had this power, especially when she's like

talking to the police officer, but then to realize that it just came off. - I think the cardinal I have to get it at that point. - Yeah, the cardinal is. I mean, I had really avoided any advertising for this movie, I didn't watch the full trailer, but I'd obviously seen the teaser a couple times. - The full trailer also literally dropped while we were in the screening, and I watched it afterwards, and I was like, there are 10 things in this trailer that I never would have put in the marketing

in a way that bummed me out. - Yeah, I mean, the really stuff was vague. - You're trying to get people in, I get it. - And that early trailer was heavy on the animal stuff, almost to the point of abstraction where you're just kind of like, is this movie about, I mean, I get that it's aliens or something, but like, is it really like an animal being in league with aliens or something? - It's not just the animals, it's the shot of the, the helmet that looks like a Thomas concave.

It does. - It does. - And everyone's like, the fuck is this? Like, there was CGI complain. - Yeah. It makes sense in the context of the movie, the way the scene plays out, but it's somewhere around this concurrently, we've set up that Colin Firth is the head of the agency, everyone's gone into sort of a crisis. - It's sort of a crisis. - War dex, War dex about. - War dex is in crisis mode, because stuff's been stolen, and people who work for it are missing. - And in particular,

Coleman Domingo. - Coleman Domingo who's high up is missing. - And he's a guy on a headset. He is basically

has the air of a stage manager, and they're early in a warehouse and they're making something. They're building a set around him, and he's sort of talking in Joshua Conor and saying, like, you know, follow the point. - It'll be okay. Everything's going to be okay. I love this guy. - It's going to be all right. You're just going to make it happen. - So this is a very long version to have

“his character be so warm and chill versus like, we need you here ASAP. - Right. - You have to go.”

- So often man on phone is like really like kind of riling up the tension, and this every time he's like, it's okay. - This is the first place I felt the manifestation of 50 years of Steven Spielberg studying SNL, because like, hide here's one of the people who would tell me about him coming to visit, and I'd go like, so what does he do? And she said, he just is obsessed with how the show

studio during the commercial breaks, how calmly people construct a set out of nowhere, right?

“All these sets are like in slats that have to be rebuilt and dressed in like 90 seconds. - Obviously,”

it's been much covered over the years. The way that SNL is made is crazy. - Insane, and he loves the dance of that, and he loves the hyper-professionalism of that, and it's certainly manifest in the final final sequence, which we'll get to. But everything about Hugo felt very, this is like SNL AD, you know, this is floor manager, this is just watching the team just do everything very calmly and be like, it'll get done. - And like, at this time Hugo and Daniel are in contact with each other, but Emily

Blunt is kind of on her own. - You don't know how she's connected. - And then so Hugo and his employees get Josh and Eve to a safe house, and just like a farmhouse, and then we learn what the the alien stick does. - Sort of. I feel like the impression is it actually probably does more stuff. - Yes. - This is just awful. - They figured out, yeah. - But it seems to all the aliens stuff seems to kind of amount to sort of an empathic power of like, they can kind of see in your head

or talk to you in your head, right? This sort of classic gray, big head thing of like maybe

“their telepathic, like right, you know? - Yeah, it's like a ability. - Right, right, but that's what”

makes them more powerful than us is that they've cracked empathy. - It may be at a time where we've

become more divided. - And like the stick is maybe like an amplifier, like a radio antenna that just kind of like zaps your brain with thousand. - And like Colin first, well hold the stick and he'll look at a photo of someone. - They call it diving. - And then he can kind of present in their like personal space and talk to them, but no one else can see them. So it's kind of like a guess that's just like they're, he's in their heads. - They also make it clear that Coleman Domingo

was the main one who operated this that it's like a high skill level thing. - And the command being a probably you sort of get the idea is like is a more empathetic person. - And Nathalie is probably better at it. - He's an even more empathetic, but also by wielding this, he is now learned more. He has absorbed their feelings. Their messages got through to him and that's why he has

basically become radicalized of we got to open the doors, we got to let everyone know. - So

they're explaining the stick, but they're also setting up with the videos of really why they're transforming this existence, which is that this company, this private company, has been torturing aliens. - Yes. - And look, I think I think David Kepp and Spielberg's part about it's like, we're going to do the classic conspiracy theory. It's going to be the basics that even an audience member who doesn't care about this stuff might know. Just sort of lay out what we kind of

learned. It's like there's definitely was like a crash, airing 51 definitely is a place where aliens stuff is like their news and brought a fucking Jackie Gleason there. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Maybe brought Jackie Gleason there to see Nailing because he was drunk and was like, want to see Nailing? - That's a conspiracy theory. - Really? - Yeah, totally. That Nixon would get drunk and be like, get the alien box out. I want to look at it, you know, or whatever.

That, and that, like, there's a company or a subcontractor in the DOD that has basically

men and black style moved beyond government of control by making money off of like patenting

“tech. - Sorry. - Right. Like that's how they do it. - The first things I could even tell them”

what they're, you know, what to do anymore. - When I Googled Nixon Jackie Gleason UFO is a clip from the Joe Rogan experience. - Good. - Yeah. - Good. I thought your program was very good in this movie by the way. And no one really used him as an actor this well since zookeeper, maybe? - Yeah, he has to place the villain. He's actually incredibly bad. It feels like he won a contest or lost a contest and was forced to be in the movie. - When you look up what's called the

disclosure movement, which is people who believe, you know, this is government coming up for aliens. I said this to the, you know, to the news and deals thread. - Sure. - You know, this is the first guy. - Yeah. - The Wikipedia. - And I believe Chris Ryan said this looks like a guy who runs a boutique physical media website out of his garage. And I think I said blood discs dot shop app. I don't know, I think he looks more like a pawn stars kind of guy. - Right, right, kind of

like, uh, give you 22,000, you know, like yeah. - These things are mutually exclusive Marie, guys, guys buying pallets of discs from Europe and also he's doing some pawning on the side. - And, you know, and Sean and Chris are Sean and Alex are we're like, oh yeah, that guy's like the star of the documentary. - Age of disclosure. - Age of disclosure. - Which got very big on Amazon and he's a guy who worked at the DOD and is basically like, well, I know people who knew things.

- Right. - Because as much again as I was like, well, it's been just because like the big

me that they saw an alien. You know, there was never the compelling thing. It was more just here,

say kind of indirect testimony. Nobody sat down and was like, I worked at the Department of Defense and my job was cover up aliens and I'm going to admit it. And I don't have an alien and he was chill as hell. I would touch this skin. I got powers and I saw reimbose a new computer,

“a new computer, a new computer or whatever. - I think another thing this movie is doing. Yeah,”

so I think yes, this movie is playing in that pool. - Yes. - And it's a bit of a pool where when you, yeah, it's a Joe Roganie pool. - It's a Joe Roganie pool. - It's a Joe Roganie pool. - If what is there too much money at stake and then you have what feels very Spielberg game for some people might be a little too corny. And I bought, because I felt like they did just the right amount, the idea that this, all of this behavior was justified by a sense of self preservation or

defensiveness that then has sort of justified perhaps advanced interrogation techniques and such, but also there's so much money at stake that they're continuing to justify all of their reasoning. Well, also hiding behind this, it's for the good of the people. - That's the thing. - Right. - A person's heart. - People are dumb, panicky, and they don't know it. - Oh, this would just kind of be like, okay. - I'd dapp him, and I'd say thanks God. - I'd be like,

“oh my god, this is incredible life is magical. - Yeah. - The universe is incredible.”

- I think of what one it would take for me to believe it. I'd either have to like, - So this is a big question, right? What it work on you? - I have to like meet an alien face to face, or it would have to be like a legitimate press conference like Obamac saying we killed Osama, but just not trumped. This is a problem. - Someone else, walk it out, and you've been happy

during the Trump administration, and I don't believe it. Here's what it would take for me.

- Okay, go ahead. I'm going to have a thought. - LGBET, absolutely eating, it's snatch game. Like he comes out like wail and flowers and panels. At the Tony. - Yeah. - Oh, it's where would LGBET be? - Both the Tony. - Right, you know, like-- - I thought pink did great job. - I didn't watch. - I also, it was one of those things for one minute, and I was like, "Why is pink hosting?"

And I was like, "Oh, you know what? She's a board entertainer." - Yeah, well, Ben and I were seeing Zodiac with a friend of the show Leslie Hadlin, we were cool and all around. We were having a

“granddle time. - Do you think we will, uh, we will find the Zodiac killer or at like believable evidence of aliens?”

- Well, it was actually Alan and we all know this. Those knives in his car were for a chicken he killed for dinner. - Doesn't the Ville of TNT and A not match on the post? - Yeah, it's a movie, whatever you're going to say. So, um, I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, but right, like the end of the movie, which we'll, you know, we'll discuss things for missing, but you know, like, yes, they show a bunch of clips and you could kind of explain away clips. But then the movie is

ending with them pointing a camera at an alien who is then looking down the lens going, "Listen to me, I am an alien, I think that would really, would start to move the needle a little bit." - There's

so much footage that is ultimately where we think. But then, right, I've already debated this

with some people where they're like, "Oh, I don't think, you know, in this age of no one believes anything in AI and Trump." And I'm like, "Right, but people believe that things are going to cover it up." Like, why would they not believe that it's like, "Hey, it's true." This is one of the other things. Like, setting firmself as a challenge is, what could you do that actually would grab everyone's attention and hold everyone together? - Make a movie about a guy who snaps a twig to

have a girl like one, wish, willow. - Is there something happening where Emily Blunt is using her powers of empathy to then make everyone, like to connect with everyone and over there. - No, no, no metaphorical. I think it's not like she's sending the vibes through the TV. - She can definitely read the alien, you know, and kind of painfully. - It's just the thing where I'm like, "Oh, this is a moment where every, like, he shows like

people on the subway." - People on their phone. - People, they've stopped walking. - They're all glued. - And I'm like, "I don't know." I don't know. - Alien? - You don't know what? - I buy it. - But this is the moment. - I'd be like, "Oh, there's someone on a Kansas City news channel who's talking about aliens." - The movie's going to live or die on this. I 100% believe that if I was on the subway and like, I could see the moment

where like someone's phone pings and then another person's phone pings and then everyone in the cars like, "Are you seeing this?" There have been moments like this and this would be the biggest one that had ever happened in the history of humanity. I'd buy the way it plays out down to even just the transferring of like, "Oh, no, this is getting bumped up to the nightly news. This is no

who plays the newscaster at the end. - Oh, yes, she is really good. The one of the newscasters, she's having to play like, "I don't know what's going on in this unreal planet." - What is this happening? - Would you cry? - Yeah, maybe. I kind of think I didn't. I got hooked up watching this film when that happens. - I got, I got choked, I didn't get choked up during the disclosure part. I got choked up during the, uh, when they're in the house. - Um, which, oh, the two didn't hear. Yeah,

what happens? - Uh, and so it's, uh, wait, before we get there, we just have to acknowledge another

thing, which is that, uh, Eve Hucen has been, at one point, is taken over by, uh, come on first,

directives to she needs to eliminate. - He's trying to jump in her brain and get her to basically kill her boyfriend, Joshua. - She's, she's, she is, this is, this is why I wasn't bumping on this,

“is that there's, the movie's a dangerous risk of getting into, can faith overcome all, but I think”

you can read it more literally, that it's not that, like, the power of Jesus is stopping the alien technology from being used in a bad way. It's that, like, the way she is squeezing the, the cross necklace and causing, like, you know, pain in her hand and actual, like, last fewations is, like, the, the literalization of how she applies her beliefs to be able to guide her through situations, not the inherent power of those beliefs. If that makes any sense, that was the distinction

for me and it's down to the fact that she's causing herself pain, right, that it's not a self-punishment thing as a sacrifice. It's that, like, the idea of the cross doesn't really do anything. It's what

you will apply it to. That is made manifest then, um, but she basically, yes, is, like, using a

tremendous amount of willpower to stop calling for from making her kill him. - And there are a lot of cool shots with, like, reflections and a knife. - And it gets into then, right, them needing to, like, evolve their level of communication, their relationship, or she's, like, I don't trust me timing up. I should be withheld, or, yeah, restraint. And I love the bit of him and the, they go to, like, a random motel and he immediately tries to find every single item in

the hotel that has the name or the address, because he's, like, her eyes or a transmission device. - Right. - Yeah. - It's really cool. How does he eventually, he, like, moved something. - It's, he's holding the, um, stick, the, the one wish willow. - Good diving stick. - Oh, no. Uh, he's holding a piece of paper that he wrote down, because, because he was able to, he sees the clip of Emily Blunt speaking alien language, and it's like, oh, there's some

mathematical equation. He starts translating it by hand on a piece of paper from the hotel, no pad. - Well, he thinks he's sleeping. - He's holding it in his hand, and he drops it, and so she can see immediately. - Immediately, and then the, yeah, um, this was the thing I forgot to finish setting up, but this notion that the, but comfort character is so completely curdled that he is so kind of, like, Colonel Kurtz died in his beliefs, largely in the wake of his wife's death.

- Right. - We learned this and we learned this and this man's completely corrupted now and, and the way the common domain tries to relate to him of, like, you used to actually think about things, and now you're so concerned with losing your position, your money, your status, your power, these people who just then, you know, the desire for security, even when you become a billionaire, just completely rot your fucking brain, and you'll do anything to make sure that no one takes a

“dollar from you anymore, basically. - Yeah, and I think Spielberg's commenting obviously on, like,”

people who crave power in government, and then we'll do anything to keep it working for, say, Donald Trump, already to say his name, you heard of this guy? - If you say it too loudly, Robert DeNiro is going to break into the studio. - He's no good. - Cool, like, man's style, throwing up his backpackers, um, but I also, the implication I sort of got is, like, you know, maybe back in the day Hugo and Comfort's character know it, you know, we're like, "We're gonna,

one day figure out, trying to get the public out and then at some point Hugo realized, like,

"Oh no, you're never, right, your plan is to never be ready." - They will never be ready. - They make money on this shit.

- Yes. - Keep operating in the background, but never actually let people know about it, because, like, they're just too scared of, like, he'll control it strongly that this is, I am correct. It will destroy society if we allow them. - But one of my favorite things that he is at the end, when he's finally cooked, he was like, "You placed the underlink." - I don't know, but he was very good.

“- Oh, yeah. - Okay, his name I think is Henry Lloyd Hughes. You know, he's just like, "The guy who”

would have gotten," right? Like, the guy who's kind of his, his, his fist. But like, there's just

and he's like, "Fun." - He's British, too. - It's over. - Yeah.

- A lot of birds can't. - A lot of birds can't. - A lot of birds can't. Respects the Brit. - Where was this film, primarily? - New Jersey. - Was filmed when they all knew Jersey. - Wow, shout out. - Wow. Hunting to New Jersey, Ben. Also little Atlanta, a little New York City. But yeah, like the Kate May C. Shoreline Railroad was used for the railway. - Shout out to Jersey Shore. - There you go. - Did that in a little accent? - You did.

- Yenush, obviously shot it. - Mm-hmm. - Again, I was going to get shot the same silver spoon. - Did it? Did you know that? - I said it. - Yeah. Edited by Sarah Brother, who directed, who edited like the last bunch of Spielberg movies with Michael Con, but is getting the solo credit here. - I mean, Michael Con is like 96. - Michael Con is 95 years

young. - Yeah. - 95 years young. John Williams is 94. Like there was something striking looking

at the credits of this movie and realizing like the guys that Spielberg has been with for decades. And Yenush is a little younger than Steve. - Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's just still out there. But when he started, he found a bunch of Steve was the young guy. He found a bunch of collaborators who had 10 years experience on him. - Right. - And these guys are getting really, they're dancing around retirement. - Right. - These are sort of the final laps around

for a lot of them. - They get captured in the hotel. - Early stand you'll does. - Yeah. - Jane escapes with the stick. We got back to Margaret who has left the hospital, ditched her friggin' laser ass boy. - Wait, try to sell her down the river. - Yeah. I mean, he's sort of, you sort of, it's a good Spielberg character because you empathize that

“he's like, "Well, I think my girlfriend's having a mental illness." - Yes, yes. - It starts and it”

feels like this couple's gonna break up in six weeks. - But definitely they're already kind of weird, because she's like, I think we should move again and he's like, "But I want to like sell a guitars and kids a city or whatever, and he seems to do." - It's unclear. But, you know, the thing we've sort of mentioned with this, you know, is like when they're in the gas station, it's pandemonium because everyone's prepping for what seems to be maybe not the end of the world,

but some kind of escalation in a foreign war, like a nuclear war, that might be like a nuclear exchange or something like something crazy is happening. None of our main characters care. - No. - Ever. - No. So it's all backgrounded and I love that it's all kind of just like, you know, North Korea, you kind of just hear this sort of vague, like, you know, yeah, the situation continues to escalate, like, it's also if anything and they make it, you know, textual at one point,

but there's a concern of, well, anything we do even be able to cut through the noise. - Right. - It's like there's already such a big story happening. - Yeah.

“- But so yeah, so like when Riot Russell is finally kind of clearly like, I think I need to,”

you know, hand Emily off to the authority. They're in a gas station where it's all popping off. - Yeah. - So she can kind of sneak out. - Calls and reports her. - Right. - Emily and Josh link up. - Wait, do we, I'm sorry, one with, do we like the scene where it takes him three times to run over the phone with the car? - Oh, I love that. - Oh, I love that. - I love that.

- She's like, you didn't fucking, the wheels didn't even, I was just driving. - I was just driving. - Try forward. - And like, I was watching it being like, I also would struggle. It's like, I don't know exactly where the wheel is when I'm putting it in the car. - Yeah, it's really good. - She's really funny. - Yeah. - At this point, they establish, you kind of see what the other people are seeing as they're talking to Emily Blunt, where there's like that shot in the

trailer where you see like an old woman turn into Emily Blunt when the camera passes. Like, guys, the back of the guy's head. And without any context, you're like, oh, is she a shape sifter. But really, that is just like the visual way to represent that every time she is connecting with someone. She is, they are seeing her as see someone. - I read it as it's one of her powers,

“much like the language thing. It's like, when that's what she needs to do, that's what it is.”

Because you have the scene later where she gets out of custody and she does it by looking at 15 consecutive people. And to each of those people she is, the one person who a silent look from would make them stop in their front. - I thought that sequence was insane. - I thought that's you consistent. - That's another time when I started to kind of tear up. - Yeah, I was like, oh my god. - That's how she frees Josh. - Yes. - And then they are like, we just got to get back to Kansas.

She'll start off weaving Kansas, but now she's got to get back to Kansas. - They just find each other

in the way that you go set of like, you'll know where to go. She'll know how to reach you. They're always

too. - Yeah. - When they get to Hugo in his little warehouse where he is, we find out that he has been reconstructing her home from childhood. And it is important that they reconstruct the circumstances. - Obsession. - No, in fact, David, I have to push back here. They do not reconstruct one of the different circumstances. - What? - I don't know if Spielberg's like, the problem is the

story. - And he starts going on like, weird TikTok interviews, you know, like, with like, circumcision influencers, I must, I must call out. Who else recently reconstructed their childhood home

“and exacting detail to then restage the events of primal trauma? - Ah, wait, who?”

Academy Award winner Steven Spielberg. - Yeah, man, the fable man. - Yes, right. I wonder if, because like, I feel like this movie was entirely built post-fable events, right? If he's like, right, reckoning with like, what a strange emotional experience that was from to reenact these things. - To build these things, right? Like, because like so much of the magic trick of the movie. And when I love also is that when Emily Blunt is confronted with their home, she's not just like,

wow, she's like, all right, so it's my house. What's going on for? - Yeah, it's my house. - I know, it's my house. - She's like totally overwhelmed. - Yes. - And yes, I am the exact age that like, I guess, they say that she's 38, which Emily Blunt is not 38. - But how old do you think she is though? - I think she's like 43. - Yeah, she's not that much older. - But I am 37 and a half. - I'm 37 and a half, as well. Maria, I'm very close. - We're very close. - You're 40.

“And then that's how the term going on. - Yeah. - I'm just like, the way that the house looked,”

the TV, the stack of the ages, and then when you get to her bedroom, I was just like, oh, I started thinking, like, how I would react if someone reconstructed, because my home was torn down.

- Yeah. - My parents gave up where I grew up. - Yeah. - So I can never go back.

- Oh, my homes. - Yeah, and I just, I started to think about what an overwhelming experience. - No, totally. I know. Like, I could, I know, I always visit my house in London, would you know? - I visited your house in London. I stood outside and took a picture for you. - What's in Disneyton, right? - Yeah, since it's Disneyton. - No, it's Disneyton. - There's a little, there's a little, uh, there's a little blue plaque outside saying, David Sims. - My feet does have a blue plaque on it,

but it did, but yeah. - It did, but yeah. - It's, uh, I think it's Kwame Encryna. It's a very interesting person. It's a park park. - It's a park park. - We'll fall off the dog lived here. - Maybe one day there will be a blue plaque. - Maybe. - Famous podcast, or David Sims. And people would go like, another new low for blue plaque. God, I didn't think they could get any stupid hurt. - He's just Christ. - He used to just be like, Charles Dickens. Now,

let's forget this guy. - Oh, creator of Gay E.T. David Sims. - And then, so I was like, "Oh, actually, that's pretty funny." He's like, "All right, all right, maybe it's funny." - They didn't even land on LGBT, and they're like, "He caught up with him later." - He was later. - Does Ben just your dad living in the home at E.C., he's tall? - He's tall, is that he? - Not only does he live in the home at E.C., but he lives in, like, a family home that's

generations. - Like, it was my great grandmother's home. - And that's where the genes were buried. - Yeah, that's a, that's a home, build, grow, built by house. - Is your bedroom still your bedroom, or has it been converted? - Okay, does it like, like, Ninja Turtles posters in shit? - No, it's that all that was taken down. It's just, like, it's just all because it says a guest room. What happens next? You basically, you get the chase, the train. - And then, uh, they're in the house,

and they both are, you know, they're holding the stick, and they have to, like, they have to kind of go back to the moment of what we learned to be there. - Come in first, Alien and Counter. - Come in to Mango has been focused on her. We're trying to find her. He knows that there was a human, a child that was abducted by an Alien. What he realizes when Joshua Connor calls him and tells him that he can understand what he said on the broadcast,

there were two, there were always two, of course, there were, that they were abducted together

as children. - Right. - By a bunch of woodland critters. In their Thomas Kinkade Christmas cottage,

“that's how they, visualized it to them, so the children would not be terrified, which is why it”

looks so artificial, and did they were imbued with these powers of communication to, hopefully be able to someday, Maria, are you about to cry at this idea? - I don't know, I'm thinking about, like, this movie's incredible. - I'm thinking about how, because they're animals, it's often brought up as kind of like a failure of humanity that we have more empathy for animals than we do for other humans. - Right. - That people get more upset when they see

animals being hurt in movies than they do. - Like the classic, like, Hurricane Katrina, people were more freaked out, and they saw a dog or a roof, even though they've been watching sufferings. - And there is something purposeful. - Yeah. - That's it. That the aliens have chosen to present themselves as, like, I know, there's like a scene recital with a fox is looking at it. - I like that they got a couple of other. I like that they make a little, kind of, like,

there's, like, people over there. I mean, I was interesting. The animal stuff,

animal stuff never really works on me, which probably means I'm a monster, but I mean,

I can find an animal cute and not want to see an animal be in peril, but for me, I was much

and all that, you know, like, now that just freaks me out so much. - Like, you're right, Maria, that there's the thing of, like, if they presented to us as aliens, would we be terrified, and they presented as humans, would we be distrusting, only by presenting as a magical deer cardinal and raccoon who all stack up on top of each other and are good friends. The big

“three, deer raccoon cars, of course. - Of course. - Would, would we feel safe and comfortable enough?”

- Yeah, I want to share, because I've said on this podcast many times that I am jealous of people

who've been abducted by aliens. - Yes, you have said that. And that is something that I've always

wanted. Friend of the show, Chris Baroube, the great Chris Baroube producer and sometimes host of 99% of visible, great podcast. - He was so nice. He makes you feel like an ass. - The, yeah, Raspberry would say, the friendliest man in the world. - There's no more genuine friendly person in Chris Baroube. - Was he abducted by an alien? - Probably. - No, but I was talking to him about this movie and my relationship with aliens. And he did challenge me where he said, "When that be really scary?"

- Obviously. - Obviously. - Maybe. - You have more talking about like kind of again, like I feel like we're all nostalgic for the 90s aesthetic around alien abductions, which. - Bright light. - Right, which also bled a little bit into, and I'm not going to call you out here, Ben, but uh, you know, drug subcultures, right, of kind of like, you know, he shirts where there's a gray alien, and then maybe he has a joint, and he's got his fingers up, and he's just coming in piece, you know.

- It's been completely amazing. - Is that good? - Yeah, no. - There's also like the SNL,

the SNL-skit, the alien encounter, where it's like three of them had had a like, it was bathed in a war blood, and I felt held and cared for, and it was magical, and then you keep it being like, actually they stuck stuff at my butt. - I was Donald Duck in it. Like I guess in my mind I'm like, I'm gonna show them second genesis, and then I have to blast. They'd love to. - Right. - They've been in a role. They'd love to be in a role.

They would. Those are those. They're kind of guys.

“- I'm really excited about my story, total. - The story? How do you feel about the story?”

- Yeah, I've been watching over 1000 euros. - Did you have a connection? - No, just like the story. - Wow. And that's just... - Of course, the world is automatically everything. - It's so exciting for me. - Hold your money, and you're excited about the story. - Okay, yeah, just go straight. - Little kids getting abducted by aliens, and... - Yeah, it's very effective. - It's very effective.

- They remember everything. - They remember everything. Colin 1st is still trying a fucking fuck with their shit. They have to like make themselves invisible, which is another thing you can do with the aliens dig. - Invisible car. - And that we just got to that sequence that that was really fun. - Yeah, I'm just a little house. A bunch of guys get bogged. - A lot of guys get bogged. I do want to say, and this is like,

if we're talking about like empathy in cinema, one of the guys that plays one of Hugo's assistants. I think his name is like Brandon Wilson. The entire movie, every time they showed him, I was like, I know this guy from somewhere, but I don't think that he's an actor. I think he's someone that I know who like happens to be in a movie. Like I just felt like I had some sort of different connection with him. - Okay. - No, Brandon Wilson. - Well, I don't know who Brandon

he's not showing up. - Maybe it's name's wrong. - No, you're gonna, you know, you're gonna think Brandon Wilson here he is. He's in a nickel boy. - That's the whole thing where I thought I knew him. - Oh, because the movie is so stupid. - Yeah, yeah. - And so the whole time, well, you're placing the other guys head. - Yeah. - For us the movie, yeah. That guy's your friend. And that only after the movie, when I looked it up, and I was like, oh, it's the guy from

nickel boys. I was like, that's a crazy reactant. - Thank you for solving. - That's a really good movie. - Yes, I know. - You know, no shit, like, you know, good movie. That I have not felt the need to re-watch. I felt the side of re-watch because it's so emotionally different. - It's something complete

experience. - Right, but throw it on. - Yeah, I think you're listening to this. You've never seen

“nickel boys. You should watch nickel boys. - Nickel boys 40 acts. If we can get it back in theaters”

for a little 40 acts, make it even more of an empathetic experience. - How interested you are in ruining movies with 40 acts? - I'm sorry. You've pronounced preserving the art of theatrical movie going in a very strange way. - Poppers is now on Disney Plus, and I was watching it with my my like three and a half year old nephew. - Yeah. - nephew who loved it. - I was talking and still cheering. I was having like PTSD flashbacks to like being jossled around. - We had a great time.

Both are like, and I were like, I don't know how you do this. - I'm going tonight and I went last night.

“- What are you saying? - I'm doing two things. - What did you see last night? - I took my little”

cousin to see he-man masters the universe last night. And then tonight, I'm going to see scary movie. - In 40 acts. - Yeah, they're going to smoke a full of water. - Yeah, 100% good better. And I'm going to laugh. - I'm going to laugh. - That's pretty funny. Thank you. One of the other people in Hugo's crew. - No problems. - Her name? - Her name? - Gaby Beans. - It's a great name. - Oh, yes. - She's a very good actor. - Yeah. - Yeah, I like her. I was just looking her up.

Gaby Beans. We've also got, because it is the classic Spielberg. He's so famous. He doesn't have to worry too much about star power thing. Hettie and Park, we're really like. Who plays this character a lot, plays the kind of like, column first number four. - Right, they're like, person next to the boss on the phone being like, okay, get it done, get it done, right? You know, like, um, but you know, she's really good. - You're saying that he doesn't need to cast manager star, but Jeremy Sheamus.

“- Debbie Beans, of course, was honey don't personal assistant. Honey don't secretary. You don't”

get more famous than they have like bits about coffee or whatever. - Yeah, they did the coffee bit spider. Her secretary. - Jeremy Sheamus, you know, love him who is a great theater actor. I mean,

he's done TV. - Yeah, but great local New York. - Incredible New York theater actor. He's like,

what is, I mean, he's in charge of the local broadcast, you know, he's like Emily Blance Boss or whatever. He's so fucking good. And because he's like, he's like, he doesn't want to. He's like, why am I going to get off the air right now? - Right. Like, because he has basically two scenes and scene one is him being like, why are you late? Like, this is so stressful. Wow. You know, and then scene two is her returning and being like, oh, you're talking about the, the like,

the manager. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the guy anchor. - Oh, he's, he is funny. - Yeah, but no, no, and her returning and being like, this is what we're going to do. And he's like,

“I don't really get it, but okay. And he watched him snap in action. He's so good. - Yeah, I agree.”

- Don't you think? - Yeah, but he's also reacting to her suggestive power. - Of course, he's, she's working on him. - She's working on him. - Yeah, but that's okay. But that's where you realize this movie is going to build to a final set piece of, they just have to get on the news and they have to show everyone everything. And this is the real SNL thing because this becomes a sequence that's a tribute to live switchboard editors. - Totally. So, that I found that so

thrilling. - It's so cool. And like, look, I'm someone, SNL for sure. I love sports. Like, it's something where sometimes sports, you'll see a behind the scenes look at that of like, and here's how that play was, you know, called live in the broadcast, but we're going to see the guy going to ask. - Ready, three, you know, ready, 10, 10. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like, the awesome stuff. - There's a lot of it could be doing Junior Speaks where he's in real-time directing.

- Right, get a camera over to her right now. You know, I want to see the mom, I want to see the, you know, like, you know, like, and then just, right, but just the whole, like, ready, three, you know, like, just the way they have some kind of internal metro. So cool. I'm going to invoke it. Uh-oh. It reminded me of Sully, where you will cut to a movie, where the hero of the sequence is a guy you met 30 seconds ago, not the lead character. You know, where it's like suddenly who's

pulling this off? People were just meeting for the first time. Our characters have taken us to this

point, but this is new, you know, who else pulled it off? Sully, 100, chest-least, Sully, Sully, Sully, Sully, Sully, Sully, Sully, Sully, Sully, Sully, Sully, Sully, Sully, Sully, Sully, Sully, Sully, Sully, Sully. - I thought when they cut to, uh, the, like NBC headquarters in New York, I thought we were going to get, like, a cameo from Lauren, or Domingo. Can I do a bridge of Lauren? Yeah, okay. Marie, phone out, phone out. Marie, get a picture. Okay, wait, sorry. Um, he was sitting low, low and slow. Barbecue stuff.

- When should we say, okay. You know, they announced Schmiggadoon. Yeah. And for some reason, he accepted. I mean, I know he's a producer, but I like, I don't think he's the lead. No, uh, but it just cuts to him. - It's just like fucking Lauren, like, really, like, I love Lauren. Like, it's fine with Lauren. Lauren's cool. It was a very anti-climactic, uh, final award. Um, that was just one of those Tony's, I love the Tony's, but every year there's this strain to the Tony's even more of the

Oscars of like, we're really trying to sell mainstream America on the things we have on offer right now, right? I'm like, what broadways got for you? And some years, it rocks. Like, they're like, look at all this cool shit. And you're like, yeah, this rocks. And some years, it's like, Schmiggadoon's the best musical. And, uh, unfortunately, we must also contractually because it was nominated present, like, a number from Titanic or whatever. Yeah, your Titanic hit. So bad, do. Have you seen

that? It's the most epic, bacon, millennial, like, loser shit, throw it in the ocean. Oh shit, Titanic, like, four years ago, that whole UCB thing. That was very close. That's where it must stay.

the space, you don't like the fact that the character is named Victor Garber. That's so funny to me.

That's not like a funny thing. I'm laughing. Listen to me laughing. Listen to me laughing. You guys saw. No, no, no, I was like, I was like, I was kind of funny. I haven't seen it. Romney texted me that she was watching the other day and said, it was, it's one of those things that, you know, it broke containment. Like, it belonged, you know, I'm off off off off, you know, like, Broadway. Do you know that? Yeah, Lauren Michaels has two tones. He also produced Leopold Statt.

Oh, he's that two tones. Wild. So we see a montage. Yes. It's a whole history of aliens, different stuff that is so quality, different form of large and other stuff. I'm not familiar with, I feel like if you're a real head, you're probably really recognizing a lot of this stuff. So Rogan would have a lot to say about it. Yeah. I was told that I would prefer to shout out Tom Delanch. Oh, sure. Yes. Tom would have a lot to say by yours. And I did say this before we started

recording, but I watched a documentary by James Fox last night, prepare for this and it was called. I don't remember the fucking name of it. I'm not to look it up again. And what did the fuck it was not? Griffin got a different joke out before I was going to say, and it was not the star of Ray and collateral. Right. That was Jamie. No, because the kingdom. So what did James Fox was called the phenomenon, but it was not, it was narrated by Peter Coyote.

Oh, right. And I was like, they're really just increasing about the guy who nominate, who asked me narrates Ken Burns, like historical docs narrating a thing about, like, you know, New Mexico, New Mexico, like alien encounters or whatever. It's more crazy that it's key man from fucking ETV. And like this is real now. Yes. Yeah. Griffin said this to Marie and she was. I'm sure. I went in. But he's mostly a Ken Burns guy. I was applauded from the greater room.

“Yeah. Is he also bitter moon? I think so. He's the other guy. I'm bitter moon. So.”

Is that right? Checkin' long sequence. It just, even you. What I like is that I like that it goes into

real time, basically, that the movie slows. They're not even showing you this really from the perspective

of our characters. You're seeing people see it, but you're also just seeing it. And you're seeing ships. You're seeing cell phone videos, you're seeing super eight footage. You're seeing like bad DV camera footage. You're seeing everything. Yeah. You're seeing the aliens. You're seeing the torture. And then they start to wheel in to the television studio. And I did kind of grab Reese the King of TikTok and go like, is he going to fucking do it? This is, so when I said the

ending didn't really work for me, I just had trouble buying all of it. That people are affected by it. What did I would work that I would go with? There's like a moment where like someone at NBC news is like, I put the footage through our AI filter and they confirmed it's 99% not AI or whatever. And I'm like, okay, like, you think people would believe it. I did somewhat, I needed a little more skepticism. I mean, but the comedy is built to this idea. We have to, you know, we have to like just

think about like the ensuing minutes and hours. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like it's not like that all flashes. And they're like, anyway, that was your one look at it. You know, it's like, this is just

“the start of all of this is now just out. I think I have this problem generally with”

alien or monster movies. But anytime I see it, the thing, the creature, yeah, then it is like it feels like it gets deflated. Yeah. The, um, what is it night at the demon? I'm sure the classical movie where they show the demon and you're like, have fucking enough money for the demon.

Like there's some great movie where it's like the atmosphere's so good. This movie's incredible.

And they're like, now behold the demon. And I'm just like, oh, it looks okay. Something like under the skin really works for me because like it's respite on most of the time. Aliens like a human, but acting weird. And I'm like, yeah, man who fell to earth. Like those sorts of things work better. I'm looking at it now. It looks pretty fucking good. I don't know. Yeah, that looks awesome. I don't know. Yeah. I think that Steve knocked out of the park with this alien design.

“I think it looks great. I like the design. And I like the ships. I like the weird kind of”

axe ships. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The ships are really cool. Yeah. Right. You go glimpse up. I love this. But we walked out and like half of our friends were like, he really went full spielberg at the end. Huh? And I'm like, he went full spielberg at the end. Oh, it's truly like, yeah. My review is spielberg at the movie because the end of the movie is everyone walking and it's just every single face mouth the jar kind of right, you know, just yeah. There is a line that I really like from the

movie Elizabeth Marvel says when she's talking to Eve Eason about how she lost her calling or whatever.

caused you to turn away from your faith and believing in something. I think I unfortunately am just so

cynical right now about gotta get less to the forefront that I I don't disagree with that, but this movie successfully made me buy in the world the reality of the film that it would work. I don't believe it would work now in life. And I don't feel good about anything. But I did buy it within the context

“of the movie. I think once we got to like once I actually saw like NBC news and then I was like,”

okay, now it like that's when it started to feel a little more. Well, the programming is totally lost. So what do you think happens? People are just like, whatever. We don't know. And then they just go back into film Twitter and just are posting like, wow, I mean, don't feel pretty good. Let him post it. Let him post it. You know, like what if there's a gift? Okay, what if I am having, I don't know if I believe that a broadcast in Kansas City would get picked up right away.

You got, you got to roll with this. I know. You just got to roll with this little bit. I think it will be rolling with that. Yeah. They really would, especially in an internet age where people can communicate with each other this much. It's it's it's just I can see it showing up on the internet before it gets, but I think about, I mean, you invoked it, but I think about shit like the night that they fucking thought about a thing, which is one of the last times that I was like, I think I have

to turn the news on. Yes. I'm hearing. And that won't happen for me. Yeah, it went something crazy. Yeah, which we won't say because we don't want anyone coming after us to invest. Yes. What it happens when it happens. When it happens. Okay. Well, the box office game. I really hope your day. I would guess right now that it's going to open to 40, which feels like in the middle of where the projections are, but I really have no idea. And I don't know how it's

going to play. I've had friends for the last couple of weeks because we got to see this early and thank you to the kind folks at Universal for helping us with podcast scheduling. But people

“have asked me what I think about it. And then it's followed by, do you think it's going to work?”

Is it going to work as an Oscar movie? Is it going to work as a box office movie? And I went, I don't know. It's really classical. It's really old-fashioned. It's classic Steve, but it doesn't feel in conversation with this moment. In a way that maybe is what people want because this feels like a moment of everyone rejecting the traditional blockbuster model the last 20 years. Now, they're mostly rejecting it for 20 somethings with one wish willows and backrooms.

This is literally the elder statesman. I was so excited when Spielberg was under your watchable. I'm about to go see backrooms of excited. It's just like he just ran. And then gave like a red carpet interview where he shouted, uh, paint Parsons and Kraybarker out. It was like a young guy. And I was young and I think it's so great. And I'm like, you know what? Good for you, Steve. One of the greatest moments in history of podcasting is on the 2001

rewatchables where Bill says it was like just just pretty good. Check it out. No, but the moment for me that's the best where he goes. But but 70 millimeters back now. Do you know about this?

“As if Steven Spielberg isn't, I think, Bill's, I think Bill's happened a little fun. What is that?”

I don't know. I think it's a great moment either. Why? The part of the magic of Bill Simmons and my

opinion is you're always kind of like, do you know he's doing a better now? He's the time he does. Yeah.

I compared, I said this movie felt like a shomal on movie to me, which I am a shomal on. Yeah. It's a real shomal on. It's very shomal on. Yes. And but I, I also think that it's going to run into the shomal and thing of it being so openhearted and earnest that really is who rub people the wrong way. Yeah. I think it's going to be divisive. Yeah. I really, I really don't know. It's going to know I think so. It's going to be quite polarizing and then as with almost all the movies

he makes, years later, people are going to be like, it's been kind of cooked on that one. I really watch it. It's like, it's kind of a few sequences that are really hit. It's just what's happened with all of these movies of his, even ready player won the most hated of them. I like Chris. I like Chris. I like Chris. I'm a person to defend him. I'm a person to defend. It's just, you know, it's just luck in our man's doing. The post last night and I remember being like, yeah, sure. On it, when it came out, the ending is still,

I think somewhat disastrous. I agree with that. I don't really even write it. It's just a pre-war step. No, no. It's like they're setting up the like Nixon extended universe and they start with

like the water gate. I think they're done. I've never made good on with the sequel. You know,

I didn't have it in that. Well, what do you mean what happened? He went to see an early witch hack, he had a great time. The thread here. Yeah. I think there's some really good shots in it and I'm like, oh, yeah. This is like, you know, who's in that movie? Crazy. Let's see. Yeah, carry, carry, can. Both of them. I have felt even in the Spielberg movies. I have loved in the last 20 years that he's had a bit of a running ending problem. Yeah. That he doesn't know how to leave well enough alone.

That's true. It'll persist in his four times. Right. This is a full stop ending for him. It's great.

at the exact moment. And I was just like he hasn't done that. The kind of the one time he's fully

“nailed the ending for me. I think, Jurassic Park. One more thing with him when we walked,”

we're like, I do truly love that he was like, I made ready player one because I loved to end that, like, I because of the ending where we used to end. By the way, it's closed a few days that we have on gone side, please. He's like, I made that. He also was like, my kid's hated me for that one. Yeah. Hell yeah. Yeah. Fucking tell him, Spielberg. So we think, uh, obsession is going to be number two of the box office again. Oh, right. Uh, yeah. I think possibly I think scary movie

and masters of the universe will likely drop quite a bit. And so I would put obsession at two. I'd put those like three and four. You were happy memories. It's kicking around at five. I don't think there's any other big release this. You were asking, do you think scary movie is going to have a

big drop? That franchise may be traditionally has the biggest second weekend drops of any franchise

ever. Yeah. My whole time favorite is that. Yeah. Is that scary movie four made a quarter of its domestic total on its opening day? Um, it made like 20 on Friday. And then it went to like 10 to five. I will send it up at 60. Uh, some other movies coming out this week. Uh, stop that train, which was not made with AI. I will not. No. Yeah. No. It wasn't made by the saying this. We will believe me. Uh, and a movie that else rule more to me rocks the furious. Yes. Yeah. Hong Kong

and they will be all so sad. So it's doing good or like it's going to go see that. Uh, mandolin and grogu. Oh, oh, I'm actually predicting that to Contupal. It's, uh, it's going to jump back up. Everyone's realizing it's good now. That is the next present my daughter is going to get for continuing to stay in bed. Galactic snack and grogu correct, which, which she's very excited to

receive. Of course, what do you think the first of the fucking bag of toys that brought back for

that are swag from people who give us nicely. Mostly resekin the one that's released. Uh, give you a lot of Nintendo swag and I gave you Galactic snack and grogu. Exactly. What was the first thing? What do you think about the junior? There you go. He's an all star. She's just like the fucking bastard. He's got the pink bro. The best guy in the world. Well, this is a joke about someone

“else's son having a magical paint brush. Can't remember. I just like this is a joke structure that”

anyone has imagined. It was the name junior that activated me, but I can't remember. Uh, you know, uh, yes. So, um, uh, Mandone Cloak Grogu does exist. A wing grogionier was my joke. Oh, right. The heat too will have wing grogionier and yes, the paint brush. We were saying we were saying that Tim Simon should read for wing grogionier in the heat too. That's so good. And then Tim said wing grogionier and his magic paint brush got a magic paint brush. But I don't

I haven't read heat too. So I'm very confused about the time. Don't worry. When you read heat too, you won't make anything more clear. To be clear. Yeah. But you don't read heat too and go, I definitely see how this is a movie. You're like, whoa. Okay. All right. You know what, Mikey, man. I trust you. Uh, but yeah, that I mean, I, there's nothing else big, uh, this week. So, yeah, I do think you're going to be the most. I do. I just, I got the hard number. So I just want to share

this toy story five, which I do think is going to roll the summer. I do think, uh, uh, Odyssey being our rated kind of solidifies unless Spider-Man is way better than we're guessing. It does feel like Toy Story five kind of has the roundway now. Uh, I mean, I know what you mean, but the Odyssey pre-sale stuff is completely unprecedented and insane. Like, it's just kind of insane. Also off and hammer is more ostensibly more boring and also rated R. Yes. And three hours. Like the

clean the Barbie and the family Barbie numbers. It might, it might only movey thing. It's just like, people, you know, or like, yeah, it'll have legs for for, you know, for years because of, you know, family movie stuff. And it's like, that can be true. But then oddly, sometimes it's not like disclosure day is also hoping for its second weekend as a father's day weekend. Oh, it's open for a nice hold. Yeah, because of that movie. Uh, because right, it's going for

dab, but obviously it will be up against Toy Story five. I don't think Leviticus or the death of Robinhood are really too threatening there. And the next week, he got super girl. And I think now with these fucking superhero movies, it seems like it's just kind of like, they, they open

“okay. Yeah, super girl's not going to get the playing check bump. So I think that's really”

not so true at all. And there's another thing standing in Toy Story five's way. Uh, my most emphasis and anticipate movie the summer. Minutes versus monster. Minutes and monsters got some time before Minions. It's got two weeks. Okay. But beyond that, every time I see a Minutes monster's trailer, I'm like, am I into the Minutes? It looks this raw strength. I just want to read because I got the actual

numbers here. Scary movie four open to 44 million. And ended up at 90. It was a straight double.

days. These movies perform. Yes, but in 40 X smoke. Uh, so you said, okay. So you saw scary movie

“four and four. Is that what you're using that tonight? I thought you already saw it. No, he's I,”

this, you've gone back in time in 40 X. I look, it's promises made to friends. You saw for the

first time with Mitchie. I saw it with Mitch and Zachary and a belligerent. Yeah, it was great.

And Mike is. And Mike is the great. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and what's the, what's the other thing you saw for the X? I was like, he made it for it, which I've also seen twice. Both movies I kind of like, yeah, do movies you didn't write really recommend the movie. No, look, I'm pro movies. Yeah, there's stuff in him and I like. It's just, it's, they fixed half of the script. And if they had another year, I probably would fully like it as a loop. I'm going to watch it. Yeah. Uh, but I will

say the initial reaction had me push it down the sort of priority list. Especially with it not being based on things you care about at all. I don't care about these things. I, it's true. He meant it's not one of my, one of my fellows. I do. I just, I, I do hear Ben. He meant it. No, I'm getting everything. I'm really, I'm smart and from what they did to my boy or go. They did not

“be not an end of all or is it a herding to an incredible thing that I think is worse than if he hadn't”

been in it period. Now, if there was a thundercats, then I'd be it. I believe that I watch some thundercats is supposed to do thundercats, really. The one for me is, if Matt Johnson really is making a magic the gathering movie series about is the like sleeper code activated. Do you know what I did the other day? And then it has to be the end of the episode. Yeah. So I went to a baseball card store because I know we've tested baseball cards. It's like, so I went to a card store. Yeah,

but I'm looking for baseball. David now just spent so much time buying toys and trading cards. I want to call out the context or buy toys for your what for your daughter for my wife for life. Well, mostly I'm getting free toys from my daughter, but yeah, sure. I buy a lot of things. I'm looking for your collecting for yourself. I'm just saying something with the card baseball cards. Love the baseball. I'm in the store. I'm my hey, do you have this? And I've got to just drop you a series

two of the 20, 20, 26 tops. You know, like, does not drop till next week and physically. I'll kind of like, oh, that's fine. I'm walking around and I see magic the gathering, which has gone all in much like Lego back in the day on like they just do like, you know, Lord of the Rings cards. Now, right? Like they just, they just let license them out. And I love that game when I was a kid. They had Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles magic the gathering cards. So I bought a fucking box

of them. Wow, yeah. We did a role playing game. We did this ago. And that was kind of a fun format. Magic is a little because it's like a strategy game. That's a little less fun like to to maybe

record. Got it. I don't know. I don't know. I've never played cool. All right. Well, we get it.

You're cool. No, it's fine. Ben, can you do me favors? We wrapped this episode up. Yeah. Can you turn the printer on so I can print the sides for the audition? I'm going to run to go do. Yes. Thank you. We have a printer here. Yeah, we do. It's right there. Oh. I mean, thank God we have some things that are useful in this episode. Hey, what an office full of useful things. So next week we start to understand. Yeah. That's right. The toy store. Well, I've

don't called finding Nemo. We'll be coming at until we cut out the part where I basically threatened to murder you about three hours 15 years. Yeah. I also hope we cut that out. And the finding Nemo episode. Yeah. Just because if we don't, it'll be really more fuel for the fire of like, oh, David wants to murder Griffin Newman. Well, it's also just like I'm not going to agree to

license it out to the Netflix dock in five years. Right. Wait. No, my family. I've never heard of my

“state. Excuse me. So you're going to murder him. Yeah. Okay. That's what he claims to Nemo episode.”

I don't say. And look, we'll cut all of it out. But he gets like detailed. That sounds like a dough boy. He's ever said it would be for my start stop. It starts like, you're like, wait, Mitch, have you planned something? That's when they talk about that. That's true. Don't waste the best podcast. No. Stanton starting with finding Nemo. A little known film. Yes, a small one by one. Yes. One of my successful movies with the great Rebecca Alter from

Vulture who got back. And then, yes, we will discuss, you know, some very successful films and also in the blink of an eye. Yes. I mean, in the successful, I mean, financially successful. And John Carter, what the the definitive balance Hollywood bounce of the last 25. It's a bounce. I'm really excited to reread that, New Yorker. It's one of the best. And of, you know, somewhere in the middle of there, we will, of course, discuss Christmas for no one's the

Odyssey as previously mentioned. Yes. And that series will end with Toy Story 5, which will obviously be late. It means all of a time to see it two times. Yeah. You'll have percolated on it. Because we're recording it next week. Because yeah, he's off. I have ticker something. I'm going, well, what's work? I'm I'm seeing it a third time after we record the episode. That is the actual scene. Have you already seen it? No. We're all seeing it together. Yeah. And then I'm seeing it the

night before we record. Oh, okay. And then I'm seeing it again the night after we record. So I get three and before I go to insert Ford and country here. Wow. The printers running, which means everything's

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“I think our, our, our frustrations are with the Robert Copp franchise. Yeah, on those words. We”

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