Finding Nemo with Rebecca Alter

Three and a half hours long.

Yep.

“Oh, Cassidy Plankton said they only run two hours, tops.”

Sandy Plankton, you think I would do an entire podcast, and I don't know what's much of Sandy Plankton. It was three and a half hours, not two. Very good, so it's the end of the movie. Yeah, it's one of the last ones of the most--

It's emotional lines, it does makes me cry, too. There's like five different moments in this film that at very least get me right up onto the edge, on the brink of the tears. To me, the big moment is just crashing, you say.

That's the moment that-- That's the moment. Yes, interesting. Beautiful moment. It's so beautiful.

This movie, this movie, is just filled with these little grace notes that I just think, so elegant, that are funny and charming, and don't feel like they're hitting too hard. It is, in my opinion, this is like one of those movies that should be taught in every kind of conventional Hollywood

sort of storytelling, whabber, whatever.

Yeah, because it's just, it is an incredible set up payoff movie.

Another thing that's filled with grace notes is the notebook of the character, the main character from Project Hill, Mary. Oh, because his name is Riley and Grace. I think there's not enough discussion

of the fact that Ryan Gosling plays Riley and Grace. Riley and Grace. Because it's a Hail Mary full of grace. I believe it's the-- No.

I think that's what Andy Weir, who's-- in my opinion, a master of subtlety, is going for there.

“I enjoy that movie greatly, and I think I'm fun.”

I'm now forced by law to knock it down a star. Now that you've explained that to me. I mean, it's just by read on it. I mean, look, why do they-- Why is it called Tinder?

Speaking of-- Why is it called Tinder? Because you get matches.

Oh, and one of those things that I tell people all the time

and they're like, that can't be true. And I'm like, that's literally why it's called that. Unfortunately, I went with that name, and I didn't-- I mean, I need 12. I'm required by law to go onto the app store

and knock Tinder down a star. Because famously, you rated it five stars in the app store. Perfect app. Only good things have ever come of it. In my mind, there are only a few perfect apps.

Facebook, Twitter. Ah. X. Oh, yeah. Yes.

Truth social. Why truth social? Very good. I count Twitter and X's two separate apps. And both of them go five stars.

Five stars. It's Terminator, actually. Versus Terminator 2. Right, X, I wish I could give it six stars. That's because they improved on perfection.

They did. I'm just saying, uh, that to invoke another Albert Brooks film. You know, everyone made a fucking meal out of your telling me Emma Mackie is Ella McCay. We've gone too far.

No one's saying, really, in this day and age, in this economy, Ryan Gosling is Rayland Grace. Rayland. Oh, you can't spell one without the other. There's just very similar.

It's really a rocky. The rock character is called Rocky. Yeah, that was awesome. One of our biggest movie stars I would say now. He's maybe top 10, rent track was Tonyardman called.

What was Tony Ordman called? Sandra Huller, you know, be funny. She's just called Tonyardman. I know that's not her name in that movie. Yeah.

It's the dad's character's name. What's her name in the movie? The funny thing was she was just like, hello. I'm Tonyardman. I run.

Stay single. Yeah. I do think now we need to have her singing in every movie. I agree.

“Look, I mean, I assumed that was a reference to Tonyardman, right?”

That's Lord of Miller being cute, having her do karaoke and I thought that was fun. And also being like, hey, you know, she does this in a movie. It kind of like knocks everyone socks off. That's an effective move that we've identified that nine people work, 9% of the audience won't have seen.

But we all sit there, pan ourselves on the back goal and like, oh, interesting Tonyardman reference. Maybe they should do Tonyardman in IMAX. Is it they're going to be an ill-fated American Tonyardman? Nina Donna.

Nina Donna. Lena Donna, right? Two chillis excuse me. Yep. You're on.

Lena Donna was writing and directing. Kristen Wig was going to close start with Jack Nicholson. I didn't actually know that Wig was involved. I mean, the weird thing about that is it's like, don't do that. But I'm like, who's the people to pick?

I suppose it's also a movie. I would say on paper, a force major had this, but downhill didn't nail this. Or you're like, there is a version of this premise that works as a much broader studio comedy. I would not resent you trying to remake it and just doing the more obvious version of

it. Maybe don't make it two hours and 40 minutes long or whatever.

They have to see where they'll get me up there.

Yeah. Nicholson was going to show a lot of dick. That's what I heard. Tonyardman's the one finding another. Don't get naked in that scene, right?

This is he show up in the outfit in the animal, in the beast outfit. That's the variant. Yeah, that's the end. There's she's naked and the younger woman that he's with and the boss is the boss. The boss is naked.

Maybe he's not naked. I think Tonyardman, yeah.

“Do you know that the younger naked woman, and I already resent framing it this way?”

Do you know that that actress? I love Tonyardman. So good. Do you know that that actress? That actress.

Co-wrote malignant. And I was like, why did that happen? Henry'd be sue. And then I dug deeper. She is married to James I.

Wow. Dang. Wow. Engaged him in 2019. Tonyardman came out in 2016.

Maybe he saw it was like, who's this beautiful woman? And what movies could she possibly have in her head about monster skull creatures?

It is funny that she was like, you know what I've always been thinking about?

What if there was a face on back of face? Yes. What if you had one extra face? One extra face. And it does martial arts.

On a place in Aquaman in the lost kingdom. Yeah. And she's in all of this movie. She's in the nun. Yeah.

But she does, she has a screenplay credit on the lignette, right? She sure does. Yeah. And that is a delightful screenplay. That's a well written film.

Another film that should be studied in schools. That's a great film. Yeah. The only problem I have with that film was it came out in the deep pandemic. And I kind of don't remember it.

I need to rewatch it. Yeah. You know, that was a project popcorn movie. I saw in theaters and I overheard one of the worst post movie conversations I've ever had.

“Just two burrows at the urinal saying, like, dude, is that like bad on purpose?”

Like, he needs to have his filmmaking license for a vote. Like, how do you not understand that you're making a movie that is like literally bad? Right.

And they just kind of kept stewing in that zone.

I have no patience. No. For people who view things like malignant in that way. You don't, you just don't deserve movies. It's not any of you don't deserve nice things.

You don't deserve movies. I deserve all the movies, though, including the movie. Finding Nemo. In my opinion, a perfect film. Yeah.

I almost think we don't deserve it as humanity. I think it's the 10th anniversary in 2013. Every 2003. 2003. 2003.

We needed it in 2003. I don't know if we deserved it. It was like the dark night. We were in Iraq. It was the hero we needed.

Not the hero we deserved. We were in Iraq. I was 17 years old. I saw this film in America. I was here on vacation.

On holiday. On holiday. I saw by myself. I'm pretty sure at the regal union square. And I'm sure you spent the entire movie fuming.

Yeah. At the consideration showed towards the Australian people. Oh, my God. I didn't even make the connection. I didn't get how.

I can fish when I go to Sydney. David Australian. I can't. I would say this movie does not make Australian humans look good. The only two speaking Australians are the dentist and the granddaughter.

They're both so little builders. The dentist is a fun guy. He's kind of fun. I guess he's sort of. He's kind of the classic dentist.

“Like I think the humor of that is really good.”

He's like, ah, you know what? He's just like torture. It's people all day. Now David's whipping the stereotype's back off. Ah, well, that's what he talks like.

Sure. How are you doing mate? Yeah. Do you think the dentist should realize what's going on with Darwin. Stop giving her fish?

I guess he doesn't know the fish. This is the thing I really want to know that like Alice and Jamie could voice one of these things. No. It's a thing I really like about the toy story. Certainly the first two.

Hmm. Toy Story 1 has this. This has the some of the Pixar movies have this, but this is a movie in which no one is consciously. A villain.

Uh, yeah. Yeah. I guess you're right. Because like the conflict is in the sharks are nice. Yes.

And the angler fish doesn't really have consciousness. Yeah. That's not a sentient fish. Although Becca. Good point.

Like what's up with that? Why doesn't he? Well, there's also we learn that they they're exists in the ocean. Petting zoos. Me snails.

Yes. So snails aren't people, but then like little shrimp. There is a cast. I love when the Pixar movie just has a fun joke. Because they're like, that's a fun joke.

And then like 20 years later I'm like, but I don't. How does this fit into their theory of consciousness? Yeah. There are some implications of like they're being a car's boat. David David.

I can explain this. It's very easy. The witch from brave. Carve 20 wooden sculptures. Each of them give him a well aware.

Do they keep are they still doing that with like, you know, like, ELEO will come out and they're like, hey, how do we fit this into our grand Pixar unified theory? Well, I'll be just exists like in present day earth and present day space. Yeah.

I guess recently they've been kind of hit in here. Griffin. Let me tell you something. And then we'll introduce the show. Okay.

I was at the bar last week with my friend Katelyn, a co host of hits Different My Baseball Podcast. It's secret podcast. It's not a secret. I want everyone to listen to it.

Watching them at this game.

You know, hey, you want to do freedom.

They like, they have a sheet.

“It's the kind of how you and I became this is true.”

Excellent. And I was kind of like, progress sports part. We don't need true. Like, yeah, pick a thing, right? I'm already watching, but okay.

And they're like, there's four rounds. And you get to double one of the rounds. And you have to pick. We'll tell you the categories now. Like, like, daily double.

Like, daily double. You make it double or nothing for the. Had the value of the park doesn't, too. Wasn't the bar was it was 99 Rogers, not Franklin Park. Okay.

Same. Same region. And so he's like, the categories are going to be like, this one's music. This one. And then he's like, the category three is animation.

And I said to Katelyn, like, we're going to double that one. Katelyn's like, really? And I'm like, I'm pretty sure. You're. You're.

You're out of that. Yeah. And it was 20 questions. Right down every Pixar movie. No sequels.

Yeah. So right down every Pixar movie. Excluding the sequels. I was like, okay. Great.

And I got 18. Do you want to know the two? I forgot. Like, then. I run out of steam.

I'm like, what the fuck? You know, like, did you forget Elliot? Nope. How'd Elliot? Just light your count as a sequel.

No. Oh, yes. Light your count as a sequel. He didn't want light here. This is tough.

Because I'm like the ones that are. Did you forget soul? I did not forget soul. I'll give you a hint.

“One is a bad and somewhat forgotten Pixar movie.”

A good dinosaur. I think so. Do a dinosaur. Which I've seen many times. Right.

I was just saying. I assumed you to remember that one. Because it is the shorthand easy punchline bad picture. And yet. And even then.

Yeah. And then. Or it was still heard it. The other one is one of the most iconic. Pixar franchises.

The worst one. But nonetheless, a huge one is correct. You forgot. Isn't that crazy? Yeah.

It's like cars suck so bad that I kept. And what? Yeah. I've heard it. I've heard it.

I've heard it. I didn't see cars in theaters. I'll tell you that. I still haven't seen it. You saw that actually.

I didn't see it.

And my daughter never got into it.

Like she never. She's seen it. But she never yet. Although I don't know. It hasn't really happened.

I don't know. She still hasn't watched any of it. No. She's seen cars. That's what I like it.

Yeah. I love the concept of later. I love the concept of later. And bondiest. And Luigi.

And Doc. Holiday or whatever. I love the concept of all these cars. I haven't seen the movie. I'm a little surprised.

It feels like a thing you would hyper fixate on. Because there's like a lot of rabbit holes to fall down and cars universe of just lines of thinking. Not even like actual things to study. That is true. Well, I love those.

Like I'll watch a YouTube video. There's someone. Yeah. Does this thing where they connect it all? And cars is actually sci-fi postgraduate.

That's the stuff to me. I mean, some of that's interesting. No. It's too literal. Yeah.

Having to make it all. I just think like the way that you're saying, like, oh, they have a petting zoo with snails. Like, what does that mean? Cars has seven things like that in every single free frame. It's so true.

Right. And it's not stuff that like Pixar people are digging into online. It's the kind of stuff that like William S. Burrows would spiral over it a bar. You know what? Maybe if it was a movie called High Speed Rail.

Go on. Thank you. Exactly. Yeah. Maybe I just don't like it in the car.

The Biden video that came out yesterday. Where he's like, doesn't this kind of look like Obama? And he just brings a back-eye on stage.

“And you should be standing on the other side.”

He looks like him just enough. Just to be the funniest. Right. I mean, it's all like he brought out like an 80 year old man or something. He's just going to happen.

Right. He's just going to be like some, you know, like random person in the crowd. Right. And he's just being seen. I feel like Aaron Pierre on stage.

My interns. They're going to soft the crime with their powers. Where are the jackets? Move faster. You don't need to.

There'll jumps just anymore. Just like every year. Here was the voice of Jack in the toss. He's young. He's, well, he's like, middle.

He's like middle. He's just fast. Middle. Middle. Right.

And then. Because young move. The favorite song in the world, which is called the.

I always wanted a brother song.

I always wanted a brother. You don't remember that. I don't know. I have seen Barry Jenkins's been fostered a Lion King. I mean, it washed over.

We pretty fast. I didn't, I didn't, you know, didn't really retain. I'm making you listen to the song. Yeah. I still have not listened to that.

I watched that film. But the trailer only had one snippet of a song. The songs, of course, written by friend of the show, Lin Manlomeran. Is it the Mads Nicholson?

No, it was just. You heard them repeat. I always wanted a brother like five times. You always wanted a brother. So it was kind of meamed.

It's one of the many hooks in that song. I always wanted a brother. Bye-bye. Is this song? Yeah.

Yeah. That's Mads Nicholson's villain song. It is a little insensitive of you to invoke hooks on the finding you know episode. Because of course, those are the true unseen villain. Yes.

Man. Like the envy. The hook.

Yeah. If he went hand fishing. Hmm. Cluck fishing. Hmm.

I mean, sure. I've lost this song. It's true. I'm sticking a worm on that. Yeah.

This one said the dentist has been never lit.

He's not fucking catch and Nemo. Hmm. Brian him up. He thinks he's just like my little, my little face. He said he's a fish and my face.

He said he lost his face. He said he saved him. He's like, there was this little baby clown fish all alone. And I like rescued it. Yeah.

That's a little bit of a savior complex thing where it's like. All of, I mean, he was in the fucking water. Like, like, he's sounding Emo. He's sure. - He saw the poster he was found in water.

- He was found in water. - He was found in water. - He was found in water. - He was found in water. - He was found in water.

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- He was found in water. - He was found in water. - He was found in water.

- Like this movie sets up so perfectly.

The moment that Nemo's taken, you'd just start doing the math and you're like, how could he possibly find him? - It's sort of the Pixar magic of the moving truck drives away. - Yeah. - And Woody is but a tiny little man.

- Right. - How is he gonna get wherever they're going?

“- I think this is the simplest and most extreme version”

of that where you're just like, I don't even understand how he could begin to make contact with him to locate where he is, to scale that distance. - I'm getting emotional at you saying that. - It is thinking about everything that Marlon and Doria

complex. - It is the movie, the new moment in this film that makes me cry without fail, every single time is when Nigel recounts the news that has-- - That's a lovely moment.

It's a lovely moment done well by Oscar winner, Jeffrey Rush. - Yes. - And Oscar nominee, Thomas Newman, kind of going forward in that moment. - Oh, the score.

- His eyes widening as Nigel's story goes down in the mix. - Absolutely. - You see him pantomimeing all the things that have happened and Nemo realizes how much his father loves him.

- It gets me hooked up just thinking about it. - Today we're talking about finding Nemo, which is one of the most successful movies in history. - What is this movie series called? - I'm telling you what it's called.

- Please. - I was talking about it with a guest who will be coming up on this movie series. - Yes. - I'm not gonna say.

- And I said, I've had this one locked and loaded in the chamber, no need to pitch. - This many series is called, and it's not gonna work when I say it out loud, but it's really gonna work visually.

- It's spell. - This thing will spell. - Padsie. P-O-D-D-E. - Hiphon-C.

- Mm-hmm, I love it. - I love it. - I mean, what else are you gonna call it? - We're not gonna call it potting Nemcast. - Right, well.

- Finding podcast, who cares? - Cotting Casto. - In the pot of a cast.

“- Cotting Casti, that's what was pitched to me.”

And I said, I don't think that's what's the potsy. - Potsy. - Great. - I love it. We're discussing here on blank check the phone.

- Pod Carter? - Pod Carter. - Name it after he goes to Stameless, memorable, loved film. - You know what I also like about calling it Pod Carter?

It implies that it should have been called Pod Carter of Cast, and then the elf cast was cut out. - That is fun. - It could just be Pod Castor, but then it would be impossible to tell what that even.

- We can't do that. - Right. - But also to pay respect to John Carter, it has to be the version of the title that doesn't really work.

- We here are discussing this summer. This lovely summer that we're, I assume, having the films of Andrew Stanton. - Am I a six films total, am I? - Yes, two of them released in 2026.

- Alongside. - Yes. - Yes, a man after our own hearts. - This is blank check with Griffin and David. - I'm Griffin.

- I'm David. - It's Pod Casto Valphamaographies. Our directors who have massive success are really on in their career, such as releasing Finding Nemo.

“What at the time was the highest grossing animated film in history?”

The highest grossing film Disney had ever released in any division, and I believe it was at the time to sixth highest grossing film in history.

I know you always get angry when I try to get you to serious.

- Pull up these, what was the record at the time? - I can't. - I did some research. I found fucking way back machine archived box office mojo pages.

It was the sixth highest grossing film of all time. I remember when this film beat the Lion King to become the highest grossing animated film of all time. 'Cause there was a big fight on the Oscar watch forums about which was the sort of more worthy film for that title.

- Yes. - Like some people, yeah, this sucks. Like this stupid, you know, fish movie, Lion King, so good. Now the people are like, "Ah, Lion King's over."

- I remember that. - It was a fucking masterpiece. It also was humongous overseas in 2003. It made, I believe, 850 million dollars worldwide. - Yeah.

- And the number two of 2003. - The only movie that beats it is Return of the King and Return of the King becomes only the second film

- Can you name the animated films that since de-throwned the series?

“- This is what I was trying to do the math on, right?”

Because it has the record for a year. It kind of like blows the ceiling off of what an animated film can do, especially globally. And then, track beats it a year later. It beats the opening weekend record.

- Track two. - Track two. - Sure. - Track two beats it domestically. beats the opening weekend record.

- Right.

- Track two becomes the third highest crossing film

in history at the time. - We love it. - At the time? - I think it was Titanic, Star Wars, and then, track two domestically.

- And of those I know my favorite. - Now, I would argue this is the beginning of, I say this respectfully, the inshitification of the all-time top 10. - Yeah, it just starts to be a lot of crap.

- It also starts to be like, every year, two movies enter the 10. So the churn becomes so fast. - Yeah. - Up until 2003, it felt like there was a 10

where you're like, of course. There are two Star Wars in there. - Gone for the wind. - Those takes not adjusted. - Not adjusted.

- Well, then it's a useless metric, not adjusted. - You could compare the two lists, but it also felt like the unadjusted numbers were like, even unadjusted, E.T. is still bigger than most movies I've released.

And then everything starts kind of like, you're surping. So trek to throwns, trek to De Throne's finding email.

“And then I think trek to has it until Toy Story 3.”

- You're correct. - And then basically it becomes a sequel, Rally. This is the thing. - Just make a little mean too. - Does well, but I think it doesn't quite be Toy Story 3.

- And then finding Dory over takes it. You have Dory, but what about, yeah, that's,

now Dory never over took Toy Story 3.

- Although this is a little complicated because a lot of re-releases have adjusted these numbers, somewhat sure. But I can tell you, Frozen certainly beat it. Frozen becomes the new number one.

But beat Toy Story 3. - Domestically? - Well, I don't have domestic, this is worldwide. - And then it's sort of like, do we count the Lion King remake? - This is the big question.

- It is obviously a film- - It's entirely edited. - Computer graphics and animation. - They tried to defend it wasn't. - I would argue it held the record,

but only for a little bit. - Yes, because Frozen 2, and no no. Lion King actually grows slightly more than Frozen 2. - And did Incredibles 2 take over it at an Incredibles 2's peak was 2.

- Okay, second. - But I do think Incredibles 2 did take the domestic for a moment. - Yeah. - But then inside out 2 is Utopia 2 and Neja 2.

- Right. - Neja 2 is now the number one highest grossing animated film worldwide.

It has made $2.2 billion.

- And Zutopia 2 is the highest grossing American animated triangle. - Right. - And also the best. - Yeah.

- But this is another thing. - This is another thing. - There were very few animated sequels until Shrek 2. - Theatricly.

- Right. - Shrek 2 helps break the taboo of like, Toy Story 2 was an outlier. - Straight to video Disney sequel. - Toy Story 2 was an outlier, of course, bumped up

from home video to theatrical. It's massive, but it doesn't overtake Lion King. And then Shrek 2 is the first sequel to take the crown. And it does feel like the stigma is off of doing animated sequels.

And then it's just everyone playing like, I don't know. - It's a button brace between the fans. - It's crazy that they did rescuers down under. - Yes, especially when they did.

- That wasn't that, what, go ahead. - No, he knows why. - I'll tell you what the logic was. - Right. - It was like Eisner and Katzenberg take over.

- Right, and they're like, we want a sequel. - They're like, we should do a sequel. - That feels like a thing we should do. - They don't at least belong.

“- No, but I think they were just kind of like rescuers”

is one of the only ones that make sense for us. - Yes, truly. - That's the same room as ever, pretty definitive end day. - That's the thing. What's wild is they were like,

it feels like good business sense to do a sequel, but also we should do a sequel that doesn't betray the integrity of the original film. So they still were making kind of like an artistically driven story decision, where they're like,

well, rescuers is a book series. It feels more episodic. - You can just send them on another mission. Every other Disney animated classic feels like a closed loop. - Yeah, that was someone getting married.

- Or whatever. - And I can't become a real boy or whatever. - Yeah, it is truly like people. - Captain Hook is beheaded whenever they want. - We won't be insulted if we do rescuers, too.

It won't be betraying the same thing. - They should do Cinderella, too, and she's like, she got divorced. - Well, they did two or three even straight to the theater. And one of them is a crazy time.

- Yeah. - One of them is like a back to the future too. - Shit, people like it. - Oh, they do. Oh, people like it, do people.

- I'm gonna ask her, I guess, have you seen any of the director videos Cinderella's? - I have not, but I'm sure I've watched some Jenny Nicholson or some such person recap them. - Yes, yes.

- I think it's called a stitch and time maybe.

And the weird thing about the three a twist in time.

- That's a twist in time. - We're a thing about those. They came out at the same time as all of the Barbie street to video ones, which we're also doing some very exciting things with the same.

- This does say, unlike most director videos he calls, this received generally positive reviews. - Yeah, people like this one. - So it's maybe it's like what's the fairy goblin that goes back in time and like kills Hitler or whatever.

- Yeah, that's why they like it. - So yeah, focus groups for really happy about that. - Do you know who wrote or I shouldn't say wrote, but much like Malignant has a screenplay credit. Part of the team on many of those Barbies, 2000s animated films.

- Can you get a clue? - He was played by Brian Cox in a movie. - I don't know. - Robert McKee. - Yes.

- That's one of those things where Robert McKee's story, the book that everyone talks about of like,

“this is everything you need to learn about like,”

- Ah, this is a three act structure. - Studio, Western, you know, popcorn, screenplay structure. And they'd be like, what is this guy done? Why am I listening to this guy as an authority

and you look it up and it's mostly Barbie animated movies. Where he was like a story consultant. - Today we're talking about finding Nemo. Our guests, Rebecca Altair. - Rebecca.

- Hi. - Is your main feed debut? - It's my main feed debut. - Wow. - And I'm gonna say, the best movie you've been asked to cover

on this show. - Absolutely. - I think this movie is a little better. No offense band than look who's talking now. - Okay.

- Fair enough. - It's slightly more successful. Has had slightly greater cultural impact. Both talking animal movies though. - True.

- This is true. - I'm happy to carve a lane. - It feels like it is an interest of yours. Is that fair to say? - Yes.

- This is one of your beats as a true one. - I guess so. - Other finding Nemo records.

“It is still the highest grossing physical media release”

of all time. - Is that so? - The finding Nemo DVD is like, and part of it is just, it comes out at the peak of DVD as a medium.

- That DVD went triple platinum in the built-in mini van DVD player. - True. - True. - My mom's gonna say that.

- It's the accessibility of the video game consoles or adding DVD players. DVD players are in cars now. DVD players are in computer. - No, it also is in cars.

- Cars. - In the movie cars. - I don't know if you guys caught this, a very insidious announcement. Not to reveal the baby cars.

- How many? - How many? - That's the most evil shit I have ever seen. - You're doing baby cars? - They announced Ben and Becca.

They announced this week that there is a Disney Jr. TV show that's like Muppet Babies with the Cars characters.

- Wait, but lightning had never met them before.

- I love that you know this much about the chronology without having seen any of the film. - Well, do you know why? - Why? - I love radiator springs

and Disney's California adventure. It's one of the most beautiful places I've ever been to on Earth. So I said I need to know the lore. - Fellow gentleman of the Blank Check podcast, there is gonna be a good amount of theme park talk

in this episode. - I forgot to inform you. - I were in David and I've never felt like a sleeping bag. I could just like curl up on her. Or hammock maybe. - Poor thing.

- They're the caffeine. - hammock on the porch. - You stay on wide awake for this shit. - What's about the cars? - Yeah.

- The baby cars. - Are they wearing diapers? - No, they're just kind of, they're like, they're leaking oil. - They're just like, it's a good question.

- I guess. - What's the term I'm looking for? - Kawai is that? - Yeah, Kawai. - I mean, like, they just make them squished

and rounder in their eyes. - Their eyes are bigger. - I mean, we'll see this with finding Dory, of course, when they have baby Dory, you know,

like, what is genuinely a billion dollar idea?

Like, put baby Dory at the beginning of the film. - Dory small. - It's safe to be a kid.

“- Say what I think the most consequential thing”

to come out of cars is on the entire culture. We'll grew up with the little Tyx Red Car Yellow Roof. That was a car. - Yeah. - Some time after cars, they gave that car a face,

like eyes and a face. And now kids grew up with that car being like a person. - Yeah. - Car that they're inside. And I don't think that would have happened.

- This is not for cars. - Lightning racers looks like. It only looks like 10% cuter than the regular car. - Yeah, they actually look identical. - But I imagine they're gonna have little kid voices.

- But is this suggesting that lightning went to radiator springs as a child? - Right. - A new meter because, like, - My cars.

- She's meeting them all for the first time. - My understanding is that what it suggests is who gives a shit, it's gonna make trillions of dollars. Much like my baby's, which doesn't really make sense as anything other than a what-if alternate universe.

- The series follows Lightning McQueen as he takes on fresh challenges and races around radiator springs alongside his old pal Mader. - Is it just kind of like, fuck it. - Like, it's parallel, don't worry about it.

- The new friends are thrill-seeking drag car pipes and mud-loving monster truck miles. - Perfect. - Which is a great name for a car. - I mean, it sounds like the fucking movie cast is back.

Owen Wilson, Larry the cable guy. - Bonnie Hunt. So they're all gonna have grown up voices.

- Yeah, well, he's dead.

“So, I mean, that is the reason to recast him, right?”

- I'm hearing this for the first time.

(laughs) - Finding the best-selling DVD of all time. It's also if you look at all the video game platforms of this moment, Game Boy Color, PS2, Game Cube. It is like amongst the top 20 highest selling games

on all of those platforms. It is just a movie that kind of coincides with like, key mainstream American media and the tendrils of it all just like rise to the top. - We had the Shark Tale, PlayStation 2 game,

but not the Nemo. - And what happens in the Shark Tale video game? - There was a level where you could make the wills myth, fish, dance to, you can't touch this. - Yeah, it was pretty awesome.

- It was pretty awesome. - Was it like Parapama, the Rapa style, dancing? - Like dance styles, revolutions, something. - So I'm watching a full gameplay one for here. - That's the only part I remember,

but we didn't have Shark Tale on home video and we did have Nemo. - Yeah, kind of everyone had Nemo. - Shark Tale came out what a year after Nemo. - Yeah, yeah.

- It's just not every being one of those things where like Nemo, which the movie we're going to talk about today. - The water, actually. - The effects and like the way it looks, it's just such a staggeringly good-looking.

- It still looks incredible.

“- I think it's maybe the most beautiful movie”

Pixar ever made. - Yes. - And then Shark Tale comes out of your later and looks like a fucking PlayStation game. - Yes.

- The fish designs are horrendous, but all of it looks bad. - But it also, like there's like no water effect. - Right. - There's no lighting and you're like, how do they move?

And it's like, they sort of just walk upright in the water, not on the ground, not on the ocean floor. - And they have like houses and stuff. - Yes.

- There's a, there's an ants and bug life. - Uh-huh. - Bug life. - Bug life. - It's there.

- I'm using myself. Like, they just like looked distinctive. They were like, they were going for different things. And in fact, you could argue that the Dreamworks One is the more realistic looking.

- It's absolutely the more realistic looking one and it kind of blows it off. - Yeah. - Ancene blue and ants do not have just two legs, you know, like, right in the Dreamworks One

and they have four legs and two arms. It's, you know, whatever. - Yeah. - It sort of was okay. And like the comparison wasn't as drastic, I guess.

That's what I mean. - Uh, sure. - Finding the most dark till disaster. - I saw a thing, Andrew Stanton said that really stuck with me, which he,

when they started working on this movie, he was like, the challenge I posed to all of you is I don't want to anthropomorphize these fish. I want to figure out the way for them to be able to convey emotions within the physiology

of how they actually works. - It's a good call. - And it's one of these things where you watch this movie and it's like, they create this role for themselves that they hold themselves to.

And the movie really doesn't fucking cheat on it. And it makes it all the more impressive

“how good I think the performances are in this movie.”

- And I speak of the voice acting, which is obviously like, this is just an impeccably cast movie that changes a bunch of fucking careers and shifts. But also the actual, like, character animation performances of the movie are insane.

- Who's your favorite? - The bench is so deep. - It's so deep. Deep, deep. - It's impossible.

- I think Brooks is the reason this movie really works and we'll get into it watching it this time. And this is a movie I have seen more times than I can count. I was really, really locking into the default performance,

which I think is incredible.

- Very good. - Who are your answers? - Oh, I'm just thinking more about that. - I'm just thinking more about that. - Okay.

- All day and night, the model of pedagogy. That guy is the best. - Mr. Way, he diffuses various things. - There he is. - There he is.

- And also when Nemo is trying to say in the name of meaning and he's like, "All right kid, don't knock yourself out." You know what I mean? Like things like that.

So good. - To your point back, though, it's like this movie has like 130 perfectly executed bits. - Yeah. - Like any character in this movie

that would be kind of just like a functional point A to point B exposition driver, whatever. They give a character game that is so efficient and memorable and charming. - Yeah.

- We're no one in this movie feels like they're just filling us by. - The games are clear and distinct and they're all like they all feel so satisfying to the other.

- Yeah, that's the other. - The creatures that they are. - To be my other favorite is Allison Janney. I love a lot of love peach so much. - But this is what we're talking about, right?

Where it's just like there's a chain of logic that is very satisfying of like, what is the personality of a star fit? - Right. - And you're like, well, if she's in a tank,

she sucks of the while she's reveals. - Right. - Right. - That's the superiority complex she has about that. She basically becomes the know-it-all

because her job is to be on watch. - Watch us a little bit. - And then who's the person who voices that? Well, of course, get like the fucking lady from the Westway.

That's what her personality would be. Like all of these choices are so satisfying

- I love the colors.

- Everyone's incredible in this.

- Anyone bad? - No. And like Bob Peterson who you're calling out as Mr. Ray is one of the Pixar guys. - Oh, I know.

He's wrong. - My friend. - He is Doug. - Yeah. - Of course, was the original fire director

“of the Good Dynasty or the movie you can't even remember?”

- The fire director. - Oh, fire director. - The fire director. - Okay, because it was son, son. - It became a Pete song picture.

But that is the chaos period where suddenly like every director is getting fired, every movie is being replaced. - Is son getting a third,

he's doing incredible's threes doing incredible's threes.

- What? - A little bit of a step down. - It should be the next generation and it's like Jack Jack's a dad. - That would be pretty funny.

Crazy Nelson's old. - If it's laughing, I'm laughing. - I don't know, maybe it'll be good. It's totally not. It's totally gonna be padding to name Peru

in my opinion. - I wrote the script. - I know, so that's cool. Like my guess is it'll be something where I'm like, this resembles what I like about Pete, you know,

all of this. - Yeah. - But it feels a little... - It's, it didn't see. - Very frustrating.

- The little frustration. - Pete's on his made, this will be the third film he directs. Or I can talk about a lot of Pixar director careers in this series, a thing I studied deeply. But he's directed three films.

He's one of the kind of Pixar brain trusts, top story guys who's worked in all these projects. And he himself has voiced so many beloved characters, like a meal and ratitude. - Sure.

- Sox who is arguably the only good part of light year. - Sox is one. - Definitely the only good part of light year. - Yeah, like he's a really, really fun voice actor. - Noted?

- Yes, there. - Gun to your head, can you name that character?

“- I just remember that he's riffing on a level”

that's just sublime. - It is. - He does some shit with a pan. - I couldn't name any fucking character and it's called Light Year and Stars Buzz Light Year.

And I'm still like, is that character called Buzz Light Year? - I don't want you to call mental health hotlines on my behalf. But I did the other night fall down a rabbit hole of watching Light Year videos on YouTube.

- Well, it's the movie on the about the man on which the toy is based. - It's back, I'm sorry. But this is not a movie about the toy. This is a movie about the real person Buzz Light Year.

The real person upon which, yes, the toy was based. - Squirt in this movie. - It's Brad Birdson. - I was about to say, the little baby turtle. That's Brad Birdson, Nicholas Bird.

- Who understand and heard him speak and was like, this is our generation's thumper. Rarely do you find he might also be the,

what are you waiting for to do something incredible?

I guess kid in Incredibles.

“If I'm not mistaken, something amazing I guess.”

- Yeah, I think that's him as well. This is the cross pollination of all these things. This is a period of time where Pixar has been super tight and focused basically one like dream team people working in all these movies.

And for the first time, it's starting to spread out. They're starting to have multiple productions running at the same time. The first three movies are all directed by the same. Very normal man with really normal boundaries

who just loves Huggin and Pete Dr. and Andrew Stanton were the first two people hired at Pixar. - Yes. - They have their sort of initial fable kind of like early, what kind of movies could we do meeting,

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a computer technology company. They're like, we should have an animation division. Someone should be fucking around with this computer animation thing

It's of course a company started by George Lucas.

John Lasseter is fired from Disney where he was kind of constantly the guy

“who was next up to maybe direct a future.”

The one that comes really close to happening is where the wild things are. There's an animation test you can see that's really interesting. Lasseter, like when he saw Tron, was just like, this is the future.

There's some future in combining these things, which Disney ends up obviously doing with, like, Beauty and the Beast and Lion King with their big set piece sequences using CGI backgrounds, where the wild things are supposed to be that.

He also develops brave little toaster, which is taken away from him, which feels very spiritually Pixar. - Yeah, it's a movie with Pixar juice, even if it's right, like, kind of cheap and light on execution. - And Toy Story definitely feels like a refinement

of everything he was starting to noodle with. But he gets fired, he goes to this computer conference, I think it's SIGGRAPH. - Yeah. - He makes the play, they hire him to be the animation guy.

He's one dude noodleing, and when they finally go like,

we have some extra budget to see if there's more that can be built here. Who would you want to hire? He goes to his two collards classmates. Pete Doctor, who becomes the first person

other than Lasseter, don't let him take his arm movie. - Monsters. - Monsters. - And then Andrew Stanton's the second. That's sort of the next phase is the anointment

of you guys get to make your own movies. - This is true, and, yeah, they were pretty good. Before I open the dossier Becca, you're experiencing the funny Nemo. You're slightly younger than me.

You should see this in theaters. - Absolutely, and I feel like everyone I've spoken to really remembers seeing it in theaters as well.

“I would have been nine, and I think I loved it.”

But it was also a time when, like, every year of my life, like, one new landmark animated movie would come out that felt like it was just a constant heightening 'cause it was sort of like tail end of Disney Renaissance. - Yeah.

- And the early Pixar's, and throw Shrek into the mix, throw, you know, as a kid, it was huge, I say, just in the mix. It's like every year there was a new animated movie that felt like the biggest thing in the world.

- You have basically concurrent with the decline

of Disney feature animation. You have three new animation studios rising, and it's still basically only, like, two or three animated movies a year. - Yeah, and it is so different than the current landscape

where we're just inundated with Shrefts. - Yeah, and they were like really trying shit, like an equality way to one-up each other. So even though I didn't see in a stage I was too young when it came out,

like that was a really important VHS tape. - But in a stage where-- - From random third studios joining the next. - I was gonna say, in a stage a is part of the kind of like 90s rush, and there's the 80s rush as well

of like Don Bluth has left. Other studios are trying to see Disney's week is there a chance to de-thrun Disney and be the default animation studio. And then when Disney rises again,

it's even more of a feeding frenzy of Jesus Christ they're making so much money we should be in this business. But you look at those movies, and the 80s and 90s, and it's primarily either feature length adaptations of TV shows,

which are sort of their own thing and are often junkier and lower budget, right? Or it's other studios trying to figure out how to crack the Disney playbook.

“Anastasia is very much, can we do the Disney thing?”

When Toy Story comes out, it's like this absolute lightning bolt of like, wait a second. Is there actually not a one kind of formula pattern for what an American animated movie can be? While being seen as like a level, you know, high brow.

And then I think DreamWorks and Bluth's guy, these other studios are all going like, fuck, is there a chance to define what your own thing is? There's new visual styles, possibly. There are no storytelling styles or new styles of humor.

Suddenly these things don't have to be musicals. They don't have to be based on fairy tales. - Plus there's some stop motion entering a bit. - Absolutely. - Yep.

I'll also say like even though I was like becoming aware of movies during the era that like people, that some people see as the decline of the Renaissance. - Sure. - Because if when they come out and they age up,

like Tarzan is still maybe my favorite. - This is something that as, you know, I like em in media and whatever. And I'm like, I know people who are a little younger than me. And I'm like, right, Tarzan, like, I saw that in theaters

but by then I was like, oh, the juices out of this. - I mean, Emma Stephanski and her treasure plan up. - Yeah, great. - Where I was like, right, I didn't even see this shit and she's like, oh, when I saw this, I assumed it

was the biggest hit of all time. - Yeah. - Yeah. - It was just a giant movie for him. - The difference is Tarzan was a huge hit.

- Tarzan was a huge hit. - Tarzan, like, but to me was just like a cool thing. - And Tarzan rips a massive soundtrack. - I mean, you'll be in my heart.

- The Phil Collins. - Yeah, I don't mind Tarzan.

- I've seen it in my first.

- He's got the invisible touch. - My personal choice aside. - Tarzan is, like, very well reviewed, right? - Yeah. - It was definitely a hit.

- It was a massive hit. - Yes. - The soundtrack is really, like, culturally important. But five or six months later, really, culturally important. - Yeah, that time it was fucking humongous.

We've gotten criticized for being, like, the Tarzan soundtrack, obviously sucks. - I'm pumping the red. - You're pumping it sucks. I just don't think it was culture.

- It's not like a lion king level. - It was me. - It was the second closest they had ever gotten to that. - I disagree. - And you're the entire fact.

- Was their last sort of, like, - Right. - It's a disc contemporary hit song of 90s. They closed out. - I don't care that much for Tarzan,

but I just think these are objective facts.

“- I think the tree surfing and the vine swinging looks awesome.”

- This, I mean, like, this is my bigger point. - It's, like, big hit. Totally works. There is this sense of, like, is Disney back, have they saved themselves?

Five months later, Toy Story Two comes out. And it feels like the takeaway from everyone is like, Tarzan's the end of an era, and this is the future, right? - We all had fun with Tarzan.

- Right. - But, like, we're moving past this. - Yeah. - And then before we let it's no good anymore, or right, you know.

- In the 2000s, Lilo and Stitch is the only Disney feature theatrical animated movie that I would say on a quivocally works. That is the only one. - I know.

- I know. - I think Empresses. - And since in the frog is that I'm saying - I'm saying financially, critically, and test of time. - Okay.

- Empress now, it was a disappointment at the time. - I guess so. - It was at the box often. - It was a little. - I heard about what they're building.

They're building an Isma coaster in villain land. - What? - They're doing a pull the lever. - What? - 'Cause they've downgraded from it was gonna be

a Maleficent. - What is that? - That's right. - In a villain land. (laughs)

- Here's a fun game. - David was watching the movie. - The movie is. - From saying what Becca just said. - I'm hearing her say that.

- So it's, 'cause I'm like really bad at this.

“I mean, is it just in Walt Disney World, or is it in Bow?”

- It would only be in World for now. - 'Cause World's larger. - Yeah. - There's more space for it. - That's Orlando.

- And I know World has made up of multiple parts. - Right. So I know there's like Epcot and the animal kingdom in August. - Okay. - You name two, can you name the other two?

- Is there one that's just kind of like main Disney? - Yeah. - Could you think of what it's called? - What would your guests be? - Disney World?

(laughs) - No, I have no idea. - Magic Kingdom. - Yes, I did know it. - I didn't know it.

- And then it's like Star Wars, World of the Tone Thing, or is that we've aimed at ourselves. - Yeah, right, so you think this is where they get me. - Think of Think of the movies. - The movies.

- Now the problem is this land has changed names many times.

- Okay. - Uh, it gave me another hand. - It was called Disney MGM Studios. - Uh-huh. - It is now Disney Hollywood Studios.

- Yeah, I would have accepted this. - I would have accepted MGM. - Okay. - So that is them competing with Universal Studios. - Got that.

- Is there another one? - Epcot was Walt's Dying with you. - We're talking about Epcot. - The animal kingdom was them competing with - Sea World and this card's right.

- It's gorgeous. - Okay, okay. - Those are the four in Orlando.

“- There's a fucking water parks that I think,”

back up around the same pitch. Don't fucking count. That's not a problem. - Yeah, I still haven't ever been. - The villain role is in the Magic Kingcraft.

- Correct. - Now why are they doing that? - Why are they doing that? - Villains are probably the descendant? - No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

- What are they competing with? - What are they competing with? - What are they competing with? - The Dark Universal Corps. - Exactly, yeah, true.

- Is that Universal Open? And they're new park, like their owners, where they reclaimed the name Dark Universe and applied it to Monster Theme Park. And so now Disney's like fuck, they have a cool scary thing. We need a cool scary thing, villain land.

Now, all the rumors had been, it was gonna be built around Maleficent as the Centering Force. - And they are sort of realizing like, maybe Maleficent's like kind of old. - Oh, no, they still are doing.

- Isn't that why they were thinking about it? - The Maleficent water riot.

- The third Maleficent movie, they're always claiming

they're gonna do bad. - I mean, that's part of why Tron Aries happened because they also had spent hundreds of millions of dollars building a Tron Braulacoster. - Yeah.

- And they wanted object permanence for that franchise. But interests, so Yismo would be its own right. It's not replacing Maleficent? - Yeah, it's not replacing Maleficent, but this was announced after the first announcement.

And I think there were conversations about them actually scaling back the scary on Maleficent. - This is the thing, Disney's a little cowardly about getting too scary. - These must be more funny than scary,

just get them an easy out. - Right, like, but then it's just like, why are you doing that? - And they love to do that. - And they love to do that.

- And they love to do that. - And they love to do that. - And looking up villainly. - And person New Group is a masterpiece, but it was not a major hit.

- Yeah, it was a minor hit at best. - Yeah, it was not really appreciated at the time. - Yeah, and then, I mean, obviously. - You're like, treasure planted a land that's sort of like complete bellyflops for them.

- But home on the range is the last hand drawn,

and it's the movie that basically sneaks through the cracks.

“And then that first CGI runs a disaster.”

- Right. - And then you have Princess in the frog at the end, where it's like, "Good, pretty good. "People liked it, but maybe even that underwhelmed." - And have the pressure on it of,

can this bring back the Disney Princess movie and hand drawn? It does okay, but it does well. But the next year, Tangled comes out. And once again, it's like, this is the future. Here's our model, this is what we're doing.

We've redefined what our sort of Disney animated movie format is. - But, so that leaves the floor open for Pixar, DreamWorks, and Blue Sky to invent a new thing. - And to really be like, right, it's all open game.

And what Andrew Stan talks about it is feeling like Toy Story, Monsters Inc, and Bugs Life all shared a similar vibe. The first three, obviously, a lot of that's that they're directed by, same hugging guy.

- Lots of, lots of, a hugging ambassador. But also that it's the one core team working on every movie.

Pixar basically, this point only has enough employees

to be focused on one movie at a time. And when last of her goes, "Doctor, you get a movie, Stan, "you get a movie, they start expanding the crew, "and they're splitting up, who's getting Peterson, "who's getting show ramps, "who's getting Pete Stone,

"all these stories, guys." He said that to his doctor. - He was like, "Doctor, you get a movie."

“The doctor was like, "I think you should give it to one of your coars."”

- The doctor, I am. - No way. - That'd be good. - Why was in Dr. Mario in Superman Galaxy? - I'm sure I sent you a video, the theory, that Dr. Mario is legally classified

within Nintendo's copyrights as his own character and not Mario himself. - So it would have to be like Mario has a cousin, who's a doctor. - This is the one that's with the diary, he's disappointed about.

- That would be funny. - Why are you talking to him? - Why don't you talk to him, he's got so many pills. - I send him all colors. - I send you this TikTok video that someone point out

in the first Super Mario movie. There was an empty seat at the family dinner table where Mario's dad's like, "I don't respect you being a plumber." And there's like a little nephew there

whose dad is missing and the implication is maybe does he hate his plumber so much because it's author- - Right. - Successful medical students. - And if Mario's the last name then his name might be Dr. like William Mario.

- This is the same. - No every animated movie and kids movie in a bad way is about like weird dad angst but this is really groundbreaking and genius about weird dad angst. - This movie is made by a dad working through his things.

Versus I think a lot of animated movies and specifically illumination films and who knows why this is the case. Feel very driven by a poll to be about this. - Yes.

- Well and also people who cannot get over my dad doesn't respect what I do for a living. Which is a little limited as a story, as an emotional arc, unless you're digging really deep.

Finding Nemo feels like it comes out of a very honest place and I also think all these early Pixar movies are really defined by these guys as young fathers. You know, over-grunt children, people who went to the field of animation

suddenly crossing this line of like I have a kid and now I'm kind of like dealing with existential terror of like, wait a second, I have to be a grown-up. How do I raise kids properly? What do I feel about how I was raised?

What is the world I want them to live in? And also they're in this insane industry working on these movies that are so intense that take so long and they're all kind of fighting this like concern

of, my not spending enough time with my family. - Sure, right. And it makes sense. All these work are hollocks like, yeah. - To give joy to all the children of the world,

they must miss their own child's dance recital. - Right, yes. Rocker practice. So, Andrew Stanton, I'm opening with OCA. - Please do. - Born 1960, December 1965, and Massachusetts.

- Hmm, heard of it? - Yeah, he does, he has a couple voices in this movie but one of them is-- - Yeah, the Lobsters. - The Boston Lobsters. - Born in the Welsh.

- Born in the Welsh. - Moving to Rockport, because whatever, apparently his dad was sort of like, "Well, these two sort of fancy." - Okay.

“- I think it's a passion, rich and white, it is here.”

His father Ron Stanton, MIT graduate, founded a company called High Core, which the New Yorker says did confidential radar work for the Department of Defense. - Cool. Andrew says that Ron was a classic authoritarian figure

away from home a lot, kind of tight lip. Gloria the mom puts it this way.

When Andrew doesn't have been wrong, his father never

needed to say anything. He just comments, "Stand in Andrew's room silently and Andrew would tell him everything." - I mean, to what we were just saying. - Gloria is a fun mom.

She was an actress who gave up acting to have a family and she loved, you know, to entertain and be fun. - All of this makes a ton of sense. - Yeah. - He lives at the intersection of weapons, tech and acting.

- Fun. - Right. - That sort of Pixar is right in the middle. - To your point, Becca, what are the relief that the movies aren't about this?

- Yeah, about my parents. - Right.

My dad doesn't respect me being a plumber. - So Gloria, this is all from like a New Yorker profile.

“If I think for Wally is when they did this.”

- There's also an incredible New Yorker profile

when John Carter comes out that we will talk back. - Oh, that makes sense. - That makes sense for John Carter. - 'Cause it's 2011. - Yeah, it's right at the full point of--

- Yeah, I think it's for John Carter. - What's gonna happen when this movie is released? - So he's dad introduced him to science fiction, including the John Carter novels. He was a rocket scientist.

He had pulp sci-fi novel throughout the house. He dragged him to like every single sci-fi movie. It's not the culture stuff isn't just coming from the mom. The extent and said, basically he was a precocious little boy with like undiagnosed ADD who just like

wasn't quite like a child prodigy, but was clearly like very energetic and creative and doing lots of stuff kind of without much encouragement. He would make little skits with a super eight camera. He had a show he did with his friends

called The Silly Show, so it's pretty good. - When you watch all the vintage Pixar special features because they were really at the forefront of DVD bonus material and showing so much of with every release like, here's more about

like how Pixar works and pulling back the curtain, not just on the technical stuff. - Which is so classic, Walt's. That's so wonderful world of Disney. - This is part of why Glacier gets pushed into the

is he the new Uncle Walt position, but you watch those things and I'm just gonna say this, understand his charismatic in a way that none of those other guys are. - It's interesting. - Interesting, no more personality.

He is just clearly like more of a people person versus like

Lacitor, it always felt was kind of doing an impression

of an Uncle Walt and Pete Dr. by his own admissions is a pretty introverted guy. - He seems like a pretty reserved. - He's a kind of classic animator. I wanted just like draw a thing and slide it over to you

rather than talk.

“An interesting, I think did a fair amount of like”

school acting and such when he was growing up, which I also comes across in his new Silly Show and the Silly Show. - That he's a little bit more of a performer. - He went to University of Hurford for one year

but then transferred to Cal Arts, Griffin's alum. - I dropped out, but yes. - So obviously, it's part of the sort of legendary program there. - I went 13. - That you just, you know, invoked earlier.

- But also, I mean, that classroom, that era is also like, I believe Steven Hilmburg, create SpongeBob, Brad Bird is there with them at that same time, even though he comes to Pixar later. I mean, it's like 10 people in that year who went on to

make an outsized cultural impact and animation. - He had been dating his now wife Julie

basically since he's 15 years old.

She went to Georgetown. They got married right after they graduated, basically settled in Los Angeles. Stayed to work in a sex education film, starring Martin Short for Croyer films animated the sperm.

- Is this the journey of me? - Is this coming all the way back around to look who's talking? - I think so. I believe there's an attraction

that at one point was part of Epcot called the journey of me. - The main thing of me, there we go. - I've seen this. So yeah, it's a sex education short that played in the swing of one time.

- Since one time he used to be a body part of Epcot. - It was a wonders of life, pavilion, very enough. Like many college students, he wanted to work at Disney, he was rejected three times, but then he meets John Laster. And he had, I guess, some student films.

I had these student films that were luckily entertaining off that they showed some of festivals that also had like Luxo and Tintoy the early last-sitter shorts playing at them and they kind of hit it off.

- My favorites, the bicycle one. - Red stream. - Always like that one. - Yeah, stand the freaky clown. - Stand stuff is really funny too.

- Yeah. - He also, I mean, I don't, time might not be off in this, but he worked on the Ralph Bakshi Mighty Mouse Cartoon.

“- Yeah, I mean, the sex head thing was I think,”

also Bakshi studios, or maybe, or I guess. - Right. I think of Bakshi making something for, like, Epcot Goers. - Right, right.

- This is this weird era where Bakshi is like trying to play a little more mainstream, but all the stuff he makes is just kind of subtly off and weird. Not that I think he's trying to be transgressive, but that he can't be normal.

- There's something inherently degenerate. - Right. - Causing through. - That Mighty Mouse Cartoon is like that and is fascinating.

I highly recommend looking it up at Stanton. I think had writing credits on the whole season and was pretty involved in that. - Yeah, can you watch the shorts, or those available? - They must be somewhere, but Mighty Mouse is one of those things

where I could not even tell you who has the rights. I'm like, are the Mighty Mouse rights owned by like Crest toothpaste through some weird conglomerations? - So he has hired his Pixar second ever animator.

- Yeah. - Obviously Pixar has been taken out of the wing of Steve Jobs at that point. Andrew, happy go lucky in this thing. Well, I don't humor to get by.

He works on Toy Story, obviously. He's, that's his first Oscar nomination. He's one of the many credited writers of Toy Story. - So let me just unpack this a little bit. 'Cause A, I think he is, as I said,

He's very sociable.

“There's a story I'll tell later in this episode.”

That's kind of a thing that makes him as a filmmaker. But he is an incredibly anxious, somewhat cynical person. He talks about the constant battle between those two forces within himself and trying to probably the battle between like his mom and his dad,

being someone who is a vuncular and outgoing and sociable but is constantly kind of like wrestling with these concerns inside of his head. Everyone at Pixar says that like Woody is him. - That's interesting.

He says, "Stanton," he says he's sick. I can give you the quote. - So he, Ben, he came up with the character. He was, he was the guy who wrote Sid. - Right, and that's Sid is the reflection

of what he was like as a teenager. - He liked to break his toys and then like remake them into new things. - Right, as creative projects. Which is back to this point of making of like,

Sid doesn't know he's a fucking villain.

And Toy Story understands always said this.

He's like, Sid's a creative kid who just hasn't got an art school yet. He doesn't have an outlet, you know?

“The kind of like myth-making here is within Pixar,”

they're sort of like, I guess we need to bring in an outside screenwriter, Hollywood screenwriter, a number of people take passes at Toy Story in years of development, including a similarly normal person, Josh Weedon,

one of the fake coins. I can't, it's not E-Tam Cohen, but maybe it's the other Joel Cohen's belt differently. They're like four or five credited screenwriters on Toy Story, who are most old- - Joel Cohen, there he actually.

- Mostly other kind of like Hollywood, it's back script, punch up, rewrite guys. And they kept having people come in, they'd pay them to work on the script for like a couple months. They'd fix a couple things, but other things wouldn't be fixed.

They had never really solved it. Disney wasn't giving them more budget. And the sort of like myth-making part of this is that Andrew Stanton goes like, "Can I just like try and see if I can do a pass?"

And Stanton sort of holes away with the script and is the guy who like finally fixes everything and cracks everything, right? And makes it cohesive. And Pixar realizes like,

"Oh, fuck, we have a screenwriter here. "We have a guy in house who knows how to do this stuff." Especially after the infamous Black Friday screen. - Sure. - Or there was the very dark, very cynical version

of the movie after- - I mean, - Where would he was like an asshole or a judge? - Yes, Katzemberka kept saying like,

“"I think there's a future with Edgey or Funny or Darker,”

"more adult animated movies." - He's in little did he know. - He basically gets there with Shrek.

Shrek is what he always wanted to make.

But he kept saying Pixar passed their natural instincts. And so there's the screening they show of the story reels right before it goes to animation. That's like a disaster where Disney's gonna pull the plug on the movie because they're like,

"This lead character is like a complete asshole. "This movie is just unpleasant to watch "and they beg for three days to rework the film "and I think Stanton does a lot of the story heavy lifting "and they do the just like, "fuck it.

"Let's get back to the exact movie we wanna make. "They green light that conditionally "and the film ends up happening as it is." But there is this kind of like, Stanton's attitude mirrors what he very much

of constantly being frustrated but wanting to put forward the face of like, "I got this under control. "I'm looking out for all of you." - Right, right.

- Well, I make sense. - Yeah.

- So Jim Morris says he's the best sort of genius

for story structure. - Yes. - That's one Pixar guy. Michael Arden, that guy, you know. He says that he's kind of good at being harsh in a story,

like he'll say the thing that's not working or what it like he's more blunt. - I saw him saying an interview that that was a big thing from Steve Jobs, who, you know, in this era is still very hands-on

with Pixar, that he was just like, people would get really turned off by how blunt Steve Jobs was but he was just kind of ruthless and identifying what is the problem and what is the thing that needs to get done.

- Right, yeah. - Some of the other credits before him, obviously. He's also a co-director and writer on "Bugs Life." - Yeah. - He's also the voice of "Bugs Apple Bug 1"

and "Singing Grasshopper 2." - Uh-huh. In the Disney parks, there is an attraction that is now closed, called "Tuff to Be a Bug" that took place inside the tree and animal kingdom

and had a giant animatronic hopper that they didn't need to remove when Kevin Spacey got canceled because Kevin Spacey refused to do the recording and for Stan did it instead.

Andrew Stanton does a weirdly good Kevin Spacey. - And that was already one of the scariest things in Disney parks without Kevin even doing the voice. - Right, right. - And it has been replaced by a horrible,

Zootopia track. - Right, it's interesting. - "Tuff to Be an Animal." - Um, he's the voice, I'm sorry. - No, I was just gonna say,

co-director and animation can mean a number of different things. Sometimes it means that two people are directing a film equally.

The ambassador taking him on as co-director

“for a Bug's life was sort of to train him”

to be able to make his own film, but he is by all accounts kind of the main screenwriter of a Bug's life. And also, when Toy Story 2 is saved from director video and reworked, he is the guy who does that.

So, across those first three movies, he is like the main writer guy. - Right, right, so Toy Story 2's got the credit. Of course, he's the voice of Hammond, Buzz Lightyear, Star Command, the adventure begins.

Can't say any of that. - Yeah, that's just in the opening. This is the thing, he's a really good performer and he would often do sound alike voices for when the stars didn't want to come do something

like a writer or commercial or whatever it is. He is the voice of Zird canonically in Toy Story 2. - Yes, that is Hammond. - He's the real Zird voice, obviously with a bunch of modulators on him.

- So, finding the most insmoving around it is head, interesting, huge words there. It's about fish. Since Toy Story, he says,

he always wanted to be ocean,

he was fixated on a child in his dentist's water, fish tank, which was a wall, he would look at child. - Yeah, which was a weird way to see humans, what's the movie about, what makes me care, he says he's in a walk with his five-year-old son, Ben,

and he has the terrible anxiety that he realized that his terrible anxiety was making him a bad father. - Yeah. - To be kept being like careful, you know, like,

that he was like pulling him from running into the street and all the sort of things, and he went like, you should do that. - Yeah, yeah, but it was the intensity of his worry that he felt, right?

And he was like, here's my day, I have a day alone with my son, and I'm gonna have no good lasting memories of this because I spent the entire day concerned about everything he was doing, right?

- Right.

- And not actually connecting to him.

And that's the real, a germ of the idea, I wanna make a movie about that. - He also had seen an early cut of Lion King, and apparently remember it's just slamming on it, says, like, sort of shows what I know.

He hated the idea of the sort of circle of life of like, we're all just part of this grand chain, and we're all, you know, it's all helpful. He likes the Bambi idea of like, it's a real scary predatory world.

And he's like, Nemo is set in the Bambi world. - This is another thing that I really give him specifically credit for changing in the language of American movies,

“because I really think it starts with toy story.”

Animated movies in which characters talk like roundups, right? Where you're not dealing with kind of like mythical, representational voices of reason, cosmic evils. And so much of the comedy in this movie is just that it's funny that two fishes are talking

in this casual way, and that they're so recognizable as personality types. But I think, right, he's speaking to a very specific human anxiety rather than kind of like a larger, just so stories type of lesson.

- Yeah, without tipping too far into the like, shark tail, like a swimming here, which I'm just gonna guess they say. - Right. - If they don't say that, it missed opportunity.

- They do sound like grown-ups be, and not in that DreamWorks way, which is a different thing. - Yes, I think it's at the DreamWorks movies start really iterating on other things in pop culture, in a kind of postmodern,

meditexual self-referential kind of way. And what stands sort of identifies is like, an audience will laugh if a character suddenly reminds you of a type of person you know, not an archetype in sitcoms, you know?

But like a type of person with a specificity. Yeah. - So, finding Nemo, he settles on clownfish because he sees like a coffee table book and finds them arresting him,

he's obvious, it's like, it's a great idea. - He saw a picture of two clownfish coming out of an enmity, and it looked like they were sort of hiding, and he was like, and it looks like a parent in a child. - He presents an hour long pitch to Laster.

Laster is a long time scuba diver, this was hugging the fish down there, too. - Unfortunately. - And Laster says, you have me at fish. - Yeah.

- And then he's like, how about a-- - The other part of that story is-- - Bring it in, buddy. Anyone else wanna join? - Stanton, the worry work planned an hour long pitch

that involved him doing all the voices, sound effects, and he had audio cues, and so he was like, "Fish, that's a great idea." - We can sell fish, right? - It's truly, right?

- We call our folks. - We also can't stress enough how big SpongeBob was at the time. - And it's one of the most loved underwater. - Could be underwater crazy.

- Let's call out though, this is, it's a little bit of parallel thinking, like SpongeBob premieres in 99. - There's four years in between, yeah. - But the lead time on animation is--

“- Because around 2000, I think when this movie”

goes into production, yeah. - It's SpongeBob was immediately a hit, like right out of the box, I think that was a little bit of them getting lucky with timing. Another thing, I think I saw Jim Morris say this,

they would come up with a big idea at Pixar, and then they would all sort of brainstorm together, and then they'd hire an outside screen writer, or three or four people would noodle on it, and they'd keep iterating and adding things to it,

until they finally got to something vaguely resembling a script.

“Stan literally just sat down and wrote a script for this one, right?”

- It is, like, right after a bug's life. - They're different from the bright. - Yeah, I know there's other people now, like, other people credit and all that. - Yeah, yeah, the screen play.

- But in a kind of complete vision way, it gets changed in regards, but it was like, here's the arc of my story,

here's what it's about, here are the major beats.

- However. - Getting to end. - The problem was the tank story. Like, he had the third search for Nemo stuff, I think, much more set. But the tank story kept derailing the narrative

is how the other Pixar guys put it in the sort of initial pitch. How does that not feel like you're cutting away to an inactive? - Exactly, right.

- The original script also, the loss of Marlin's wife was communicated with brief flashbacks and her first through the film. And only we talked about this on this podcast, before only the third act, do you see

that it was like this Barracuda attack allowed me to restate this? - Please do it now.

“- 'Cause it's like basically the audiences were like,”

what the fuck, right? - I think it is so stressed out. - It is the most important thing in the understandings career, and it swings back in a different way in John Carter,

how we need to talk about. So this is the thing that needs to be established. He, as a guy who now in the time between Toy Story and Finding Nemo, has gotten really serious about screenwriting and read the books

and studied other movies and really tried to understand screenwriting as an art form, was obsessed with movies that are able to do this as a storytelling device. Isn't that fun when a movie can kind of slowly

tease out information and backfill it in multiple flashbacks? And so that was the shape he conceived in his head of the movie starts with Nemo Waking Marlin up

his first day of school and got a yada.

And across the film, you start to get these flashbacks until you finally, at the end, realize, oh, his wife was killed by a barracuda, all the other eggs were destroyed. Nemo's the only sonny has left.

And they would play the story reels for audiences, which are basically, it's usually, sometimes it's pixel animated, sometimes it's the final cast actors and the voices, lightly animated storyboards, usually with temp music,

just so before they do the expense of part of actually starting animation, they can feel the flow of the movie. And they play it and people are just like we hate Marlin. He sucks. - Yeah.

- This guy drives me crazy. And by the time they explain why he has this level of neurosis, it's too late. The audience is an on board. - Right.

- And he keeps trying to crack it and he can't. And then he's just finally like, what if I just put all this stuff at the top? - Yeah, it makes sense. - I just do it.

- It's also really helpful for me, because I can just not watch that with my daughter. Just skip right past it. - But as you said, he was like, everyone was concerned that's too scary.

You can't frontload it in a movie. And he said like, that's Bambi. Bambi exists when Bambi survives as a beloved film. - Right.

“- I think you need to like look the scary thing in the eye”

and the second, he did that the movie worked.

The other thing that happens is. - Dory. I don't know if you know if that's what you're gonna say, but to him, it's story. What are you gonna say?

- There was a different actor cast. - Well, we'll get to that. Let's get to that. - Okay, the other thing for him is Dory. But I just wanna say he has a TED Talk

around the time of John Carter where he shares the storytelling lesson. He learned there of not trying to out-cover yourself as a storyteller that it's important for audiences to have the emotional information

they need to understand what's going on with the character and just pretty often, if you try to be smart or stylish in your sort of devices, you actually, it's cutting in an alienating audience. You could just as easily,

'cause with this from the very beginning, you're like, Marlin has suffered. - Yes. - You know, you're rooting for an incredibly devastating thing and you understand.

It works perfectly. - It is so, it was with Perkins fishing. - That's the other thing. - Like Elizabeth Perkins is great. Within 30 seconds to understand that dynamic of their marriage,

a scary thing happens, you see his things like it's just- - And it also introduces you to like in finding Nemo and in the ocean, it's like danger at every turn these fishes lives are very precarious, like we're going to encounter a lot of scary creatures.

- There are actual stakes from the beginning. It's not just that this kid is lost. It's like the mother dies as do hundreds of eggs. - At least hundreds of fish every day die in the ocean. - Yeah, dory to him, kind of takes the film to another level.

She bridges the two main characters. He was inspired by the structure of the novel Cold Mountain. - For this? - So dory's the vernaisel, okay? - That's right, sir.

He means by that. David Reynolds, who's a Conan writer and had worked on other Pixar movies and Bob Peterson, who, Mr. Ray, who hadn't written a movie for Pixar yet.

- But it's one of their main stories, exactly.

- William H. Maysee, first cast is Marlin. - Yes.

“- They wanted someone with a lighter touch”

is the cited reason as Stan has always put it.

- It's never revealed until there's like a Pixar book that reveals it, right? - So Stan always talked about the fact that they had originally cast a dramatic actor and it felt like it made the movie too heavy.

He cast a guy who was funny but comes from a dramatic background and that he felt like he was playing the anxiety to real and to weighty and it fought the comedy of the movie. And he always kind of in a gentlemanly way never named who the actor was but then said, when we brought an Albert Brooks,

he didn't need to play anxiety. That's his natural state and he could riff all these jokes on top of it and it worked. The book, the Pixar Touch, this is the one that finally puts William H. Maysee as the name.

It's never really been verified, but it's basically been commonly accepted. That's who it was. It makes a lot of sense to be like understand things well,

wouldn't like William H. Maysee's character from Fargo. In an animated movie, be the correct version of this. But that's a very dark movie where you kind of want to watch that guy suffer. Totally.

Albert Brooks had was making the in-laws. Comes out the same. Some around the in-laws essentially. He said he said the 11 sessions of four hours each. That's all he had to do.

Yeah. It doesn't sound like that much to me.

The other thing he said is that he basically would never

read what was written on the page. But then would improvise for like 20 minutes. He's really good. He's like, you can't get him to say the same thing twice. He doesn't want to do line readings.

But he, because he's a writer and a filmmaker and his own right, would look and be like, what's the thing that needs to be conveyed

“in terms of story information in this line of dialogue?”

And then now I will give you 20 iterations of the funniest ways that could happen. He's really funny guy. And? And?

Good governor. Yes. And a good, what's he becoming Secretary of Labor or Commerce or something? In the country in which he was born and which. We assume.

We assume. Yeah. Oh, it was a dirty Rusky. What if that was cut out? I felt like he was becoming president.

He could be like an idiot or something. He could be an idiot in the room with us right now. He names in the room with us right now. Hi. Brooks comes up with the clown thing.

He comes up with the joke that he can't do jokes. Yeah. Right. Um. Stanton's watching Ellen the sick comment.

Yes. Much better than the talk show. Late 90s. Yeah. And she kind of, you know, the Ellen delivery thing of like she changes her mind

five times into a sentence. This is one line where she changed the topic seven times and turned to his wife and said I think that story. Now, Dory was written to be male right. And speaking of this kind of like, understand coming in and saying, how do we break the

mold of what a Pixar movie is? A little bit, right, that he felt like toy story, the two toy stories a monster and monsters and core all buddy pictures all had Randy Newman scores all had a kind of similar design language sense of humor and that he really felt like we need to start stretching out what these movies can be so it does start to become formulaic.

“And I think there's a, there's a way in which you can see finding the most of buddy”

picture because it is Dory and Nemo on this journey together. But the nature of Dory is a character prevents it from feeling like that. I think they're going on a sort of buddy journey. And I think it's like, one of my favorite things about the movie, especially in the context of what Pixar was before is I love when the goofy one, funny one, stupid one is a girl.

I think that was really missing in a lot of kids entertainment as the time. Because at the time, it was seen as like retrograde at some point or like a mis stop doing it. It's just that girls need to be like perfect love. Yeah, for the girl to be the hilarious comic relief silly stupid one is so awesome. And I still love that when that happens in like an ensemble sitcom or something like today

because it still is semi rare. And so Dory, I think, is like huge. I give him super credit for just being like, oh, Ellen would work for this. Even if it is not how I conceived this, obviously, you know, it's Pixar's famous for when they picked a subject being like, let's do a ton of research and let's find story discoveries

from learning about the real thing. And certainly they did a lot of that with a bug's life. He replicated that model here.

He found the thing about certain fish have like five second memories.

I feel like that was already a joke about it. It's a real deal. It's a real deal. Yeah. And he was like, that's kind of an interesting character challenge.

I don't remember him. It's could so easily be that's a character you meet for five minutes and one in many segments. And it's like one bit in the movie, right?

It gives himself like a real fucking tough challenge to how do you make that the other character in the dynamic and not have it be annoying. You know who's pretty funny. Ellen Dory. Dory for all stories.

It's amazing. It's a great bit. But I'm very, so an Ellen is so funny in this movie. It's great. So I'm funny.

But like, how does it not to write that character and perform that character where it's

“not frustrating that she's the obstacle in the movie?”

Because the actual goal of the film is get to Nemo. But then the person who's joining him in that goal, she's kind of not helping. Has her own dilemma. Yeah. It makes it all the more satisfying when she can push through things.

It makes every like when she has like so much more heartening. I mean, with Dr. Marlin, isn't it? Totally. So are you going to say back up? Oh, just not to skip ahead, but one of the big, they find some breaks my heart.

Like, as a kid, when he abandons her, oh, but to your point, Becca, to have this character be female, to have it be an entirely a romantic relationship between male and female adult characters. They do not. I'm going to say this on the record.

Marlin and Dory do not. I regret it. Not only that, but you don't even want to ship them. You don't want to ship them. No, I really.

This is a great bit. It's a great bit. You don't want to ship them. It's closer to being a surrogate parenting relationship, which is why it helps Marlin have a narrative within the film and emotional arc of he is in trying to keep Dory safe, realizing

the things he's fucked up with. He's realizing his parenting mistakes, but he is also, Dory is also helping him overcome

his anxiety, his executive function problem of kind of like never making choice.

Just keeps moving, man. Sometimes you need someone who's just like kind of positive energy. We got to keep going, you know, and he'd never make it to Nemo in that sentence. And then with her condition, there's the fact that she is an adult means that he talks to her a different way than he talks to Nemo.

Right. He can't be quiet as patronally. And when she pushes back on him, he listens a little bit more. He learns to trust. Yes.

Dory rules. Dory's good.

“Ellen's great. I love to order her lunch, just that's what I love to do.”

I mean, this is, this is, and get it right every time. This is the movie that saves her career. It transforms her career. The talks from years, this fall after this movie is released. So obviously, it was already in the works.

Yeah, but she, you know, she has the failed second sitcom. Yes. 2001 to 2002, which was called the Ellen Show, which is like, that's the one where it's like, she is gay.

Like, it's like, it's like baked into the show versus the first sitcom.

Like, that is a revelation that runs late in the show. Yeah. And that had like, Jim Gaffigan in it and stuff in Martin Mall. And it was like a big CBS show and it flopped. Yeah.

And it was kind of a thing. I'm like, right, was Ellen kind of just, you know, she had Ellen, she had the show. Like, she was, she was important, culturally, but like, but they were also like, they were putting her in movies. She's in the wrong way.

She had disaster. But she's in ed tea. She's funny in ed to be.

“She isn't lying to think about all the time, which one can I say it?”

Yeah. It's so funny. It's just a good line. It's like, Rob Reiner comes in and he sees like the mean bot, the mean see the owner. Network guy.

Yeah. And there's something to do about like, you know, he's like, if you do, if this happens, I'll get you more money. She's like, can we get coffee filters, we've been using a Yamaka and it feels like something Ellen might have made up.

Because she's such aie. It's such aie. It's just like it happens. Yeah. So she was so big in the 90s and the arc of what happens to her is really fascinating to study

now because there was just like a years of speculation of she's gay, right? Right. We're just not saying it. Right. There's like short hair lady with pants.

There's the Larry Sanders episode that happens like two years before she comes out. The whole premise is Rip Torne's character is pressuring Larry to be like, if we could get Ellen coming out, right, that would be a big boon for the show. So Ellen's kind of winking at it within that show.

And within the episode, I feel like they never say it.

They never put a name to it. And then the twist in that episode is that her and Larry sleep together and he's like, I think maybe she's not. But much like the signfall contest episode, they're never saying the word. So it was enough in the ether that she's even making jokes about the fact that she's

not acknowledging it. And then they do an episode where she comes out. The character is going to be gay and Ellen's going to come out. It's the front page of the fucking time magazine. Huff the episode.

Yep. I'm gay with her sitting Chris Cross-Happel sauce. No, she was doing a little fun, fun meal. Oh, you're right. Yeah.

Back in the day. She's doing a gayer stance. Yeah. She's doing a gayer stance. And she's the best, but that episode is huge in the ratings.

I'm gay. Right.

“It's one of these things where she gets this huge bump of visibility.”

And then everyone sort of hoplugs her and then immediately is like, but obviously we can't like sell car commercials on a gay show all the sponsors go away, the list is good point. Yeah. The view of the drops. I'm just going to get canceled.

The show's basically canceled with an year of her coming out and the attitude is like,

thank you for your bravery. But obviously you're not part of the popular culture anymore. And then she talks about for years fighting to be like hosting the Emmys or hosting SNL when she didn't have anything to promote, trying to just get herself back out there as a comedian after all the offers had dried up.

And when she ran a book shop? Yes. Was it a book shop? What? Ellen.

The true? Ellen Morgan. The character, no one. Oh, it was a book shop? Yeah.

Yes. It was called "Buy the Book." But this is the movie that launches the second half of her career that we introduce us her in undeniable kind of way. Does she make a lot of movies after this?

No. Because she's doing the show. Yeah. So the only movie she made after this in which she's not playing herself is finally this film called Finding Dory.

Yeah. In which she played Dory. She did play Dory. That's it.

And she's never made one since.

She did more specials. She did some space stand up. Yeah. She's a story from that on.

“I think about that tweet all the time, Becca, you know what I'm talking about?”

The loss of her, of her talk shop. Oh, yeah. That's like she would have expressed the universe as off. Right. She would have extracted everything usable out of Hock to a, and like discarded her, like

a carcass. Hock to a got to like have a whole year because Ellen wasn't there to just kind of be like, here is Hock to a. We've presented her to you. We've asked all the questions.

And now she can go. Yeah. Right. That's how it used to be. It was like, there's a funny video of you ordering a donut in a weird way.

Come talk to Ellen for an hour and then never be seen again. But it also just passing that Ellen went from being like Hollywood like through me out. They like said, thank you for your bravery and then like close the door on me. And then she's the voice of one of the most famous and beloved animated characters of

all time. Two of the highest grossing animated films in history. Right. We voice of reason for every mom in America like has a 20 year run of just being like she kind of controls this like sliver of the national conversation of just like I'm

just saying which viral people get elevated. I'm deciding like what the new style and throw pillows are at target. Yeah.

“It is interesting that that Ellen show starts and then this rise of like viral videos”

and social media starts and she immediately comes. Yeah, the curator is that for moms. Yes. And dancing. She invented to dance.

There's an Ellen bit. More than people just stood in the famous Jay Nirvana sequence. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

I've learned from you the Realounds. No Ellen. A recent-ish special in the last five years. He did a documentary about Grilla's. But much like Ellen Baldwin said goodbye to public life on her last tour.

She said this is the last time you'll ever see me. It wasn't her life. I didn't watch this special. It wasn't this special. Yeah, I'm rich.

I live in a spaceship. Oh, that's the one that had the claptor that went for like two full minutes. Yes. Oh. Yeah.

I looked like it was edited to me. She said something very self-congratulatory and then they kept it all in the edit of the special and everyone claps for like an hour. It's also her dressing the mean Ellen stuff. It was like around that time she starts doing all this press and it becomes very clear

that she never, ever got over the anger of how every one in the industry respond to her

coming out. That even when finding Nemo and the show bring her back to prominence, she kind of held on to this spite forever of like everyone commended me for doing a thing that was culturally important and also every job dried up. Yeah.

It's just fascinating like this movie is so much changing on that choice to castor it was the right choice. Yeah. But as we sort of said like every casting decision in this movie is pretty spot on even Alex Young Alexander gold is like the voice of Nemo is the kid from weed.

That's right. He was the kid on weed. Remember that. He had a little bulk cut. His mom was dealing weed.

It looked like a little like a little Nemo. Nemo's just around a little guy with a pair of eyes. He's talking about a show that it's entire premise is defunct. Now. Yeah.

He's like, I'm selling weed. I'm going to get in trouble with the law. Yeah. You know, like, oh, no. The cops are after me.

Because I sold joints. Now you can just go to the store. And I can just go to the store. Yeah. Yeah.

David. Yes. You got any big summer plans.

Any of those, keeping agey one in your routine helps you stay consistent.

That's a loaded word right there. Consistent. Yes.

“When everything else gets and here's another loaded word unpredictable.”

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What's your favorite flavor right now? Right now, I'm actually really big into Barry. I've been cycling through them and I've been really been enjoying this Barry phase. I will say this as well, David. You said it wherever you are.

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I think Dory enters at minute 16.

“He basically gets both of those things set up within the first 15 minutes of the movie.”

Of course. Right. Their school is that they will ride on the back of a man's array. He'll tell them things about it. A singing teacher named Mr. Ray.

He's just so good. He likes defusing conflict. Right. He's very, very good at handling interpersonal. Inter-efficient.

Yeah. Well, they have a teacher who's also sort of also the bus. Yes. Great. Great point.

Uh, and the other parents are commanding Marlin for seeming kind of chill. Right. Even if he's not funny. But Nemo, he pushes a little too far. He's encouraged by the other boys.

What also happens? He finds out that the day he's finally letting us go to school also as the day they're going to drop off. Yes. The dad's are giving him credit edge of the reef.

Yeah. You seem pretty sure. I was stressed out. Right. And then that's, I regret it.

I never should have let him do this.

He runs out.

“He embarrasses Nemo in front of his friends and Nemo feels the need to rebel.”

He's going to touch the bus. He's going to touch the bus. Class of comedy. And it's also nice to have the comedy there because that's hilarious. If you're a kid and it helps to fuse the situation a little bit, which is very scary.

It is an acting moment that I love in this film. Nemo silent performance of challenging his father to touch the bus.

Where he won't break eye contact.

And he just taps it really quickly and and sleep. I really like how he's going. Yeah. It's really fun. But there's also such a loud smack sound when he hits the bus.

There's so much force on it. And his point is proven. He's ready to swim back to his father. Unfortunately, a big bad dentist. Right.

The deep sea divers come. One puts Nemo in his it block back. The other one really rudely takes a picture of Marlin. A detail I love is that when the flash goes off on Marlin. Marlin reacts by turning sideways and his eye goes wallide.

So it's like the pose and the photo is what a fish would look like. Versus a cartoon thing about that. It's a really quick as fishes eyes go this way. But it can move you. People come flush and pointing out.

Right.

“I remember reading a fucking like screenplay guide book that was showing how all Hollywood movies”

fit into certain storytelling formulas. And it tried to argue that the dentist is the antagonist of this movie. Which is is wrong. The antagonist of this movie is Marlin's anxiety. Yes.

Right. That is what needs to be overcome and defeated. Right. I mean, also Nemo does get captured in that it does suck. It's a problem.

No one's villainous. Right. But it is. The same as these creatures just doing what they're want to do. Right.

And all through the ocean like the sequels are they're not villains, but they're not. They're not sympathetic. You could argue that the obstructions that almost feel malevolent in the movie are not circle of life. But like just the survival of the fittest mechanisms. Right.

Of just this is the ecosystem of how fish survive in relationship to each other. But there's also like the reason why the tank stuff doesn't feel stagnant is. Gill is able to kind of teach Nemo the thing that Marlin's afraid to teach him. That Marlin is so full of Marlin. Marlin is so terrified by what he perceives as Nemo's weakness because of the lucky fan.

That he wants to teach him how to live a life devoid of risk and is overcorrecting.

“And Gill is someone who similarly is like scarred.”

And empowers Nemo to feel like he has the ability to actually do things. Yeah. We'll get into his initiation ritual. But I love that. They give him that little thing to feel brave.

Right. Okay. So Marlin, things into Dory. Trying to find me. Like me.

Thanks to Dory immediately. She can't help him. I can't help. Of course. I know right this way.

And then while this following her. She starts doing the panic looking over her shoulder. Who's this creepy guy? And then she does the aggro like you. What you got.

You got a problem huh huh. It's a tossed off joke. Obviously it then becomes the premise of an entirely new movie. It runs my family. At least I think it does.

Where are they? Makes me laugh. So hard. And every time.

“It's just a two shot that holds for like 10 seconds of silence.”

I love thinking about it. And then she looks back and she goes. Hi. I'm Dory. That it's one run on five.

The timing is so good. So good. Right. Where are they? It's just so fucking funny.

Because like you never need to explain it.

The whole movie then explains it. But their dad just fucking pattern baldness. Blue dang or whatever. We'll get to that. Yeah.

But the movie's been moving so fast until this point that when you have that sustained too shot of just letting the the joke rhythm of Ellen. Drive the movie. It feels like a nice reset point. Dory and him then pretty much the next thing is the sharks.

Right. Like pretty much the right way. This is the one thing in the movie. That always felt an incy bit cute to me. The entire shark thing.

I don't like the the self help. Therapy speaks. I don't love the trope of characters. Same with record Ralph in. A therapy or in like a blank anonymous overdone.

It's not my favorite. Now can I play devil's advocate and say this was pretty early in that. It is wildly over done now. I remember not liking it in 2003. We must acknowledge that the sharks were kind of the immediate breakout characters.

Bruce was big. Bruce had a big summer. Well, Bruce. Dory just thought character. Well, Dory's a movie star.

Dory's like a leading lady like Dory's first on the couch. She's an oceanou. Yeah. But one of the big posters. Of course.

Yeah. I love of course. That it's the great Barry Humphrey's day mad. Yeah. Her self.

Plans Gary. And then Eric Banner. And who's the third one? Interesting. So the third shark in this dynamic is played by Bruce Benz.

Now, here's what's interesting about this guy.

He played the gyrocopter pilot in the road warrior. A.K.A. Mad Max too. Wow. He's also tean on meat on and Star Wars episode through adventure the ship. This very year he is the trainman.

His range of revolutions is out in just a few months. David, he was arguably in the box office in 2003. He got cut out a lot of things. Entertainment weekly did a little sidebar in their 2003 year in review where they said he was the highest grossing actor because he had matrix revolutions and finding Nemo.

“And if he had made the cut of return of the king, I think he would have had two”

billion dollars in box office.

Wow. It's like a Jonathan Bailey was king of the box office last year. Now, why is that? Well, apart from, because Jurassic was that last year? Yeah.

Was that last year? It was. Did you saw a dinosaur? Right. And went, who cried?

Can he was the scarecrow? Yes, Ben. I like the shark house. Thank you. I like that they live around bombs.

The bomb has to change. The bombs are cool and then being blown up is cool. It is funny that Ben is like attached to change. Not just bombs. No, I agree.

Now, let's not forget.

And I like a shipwreck, too.

Yeah. I also feel like, what is it? Chum and what's the other shark's name? A crunch or crush? Let me find out.

A crunch. Anchor. Anchor and Chum. Yeah. Oh, crush is the turtle.

Right. And anchor is a hammerhead. Yes. Chum has the hook through his face. They just feel like very Ben characters, specifically anchor and chum.

They should get their own movie. But yeah, like the joke obviously right. They don't eat fish anymore. What will they be eating? Doesn't really come up.

Helper, some shit. But I just think this is like three of you get.

“I think sharks need like a tremendous amount of food to operate, right?”

Like I think this is incredibly well staged action sequence. You said it. It's incredibly well done. Yeah. And then the bomb is exploding.

Doris. Um, the door is blood coming out of her nose. And then the way his eyes change. Like so shark eyes. Yes.

I just start stripping. Oh, it's good. No, no, no. I don't do it. But I bet it's really funny.

I think like several points in this movie. And a film that you would not classify as an action film. Stint and kind of like pulls off a fish version of an Indiana Jones sequence. Um, we're even just like Bruce leading them through the establishment of the mines in the sea, right? Like all the sort of visual stuff it needs to teach you that's then going to pay off in the sequence.

The missile silo that they can hide out and how they can activate that to get rid of Bruce, which then even has the comedy within it of anchor and charm. Jumping in between Bruce's bites to apologize for his behavior. And it's just all like he keeps teaching you things that don't feel like overstated set up, that pay off in very satisfying ways, where then you can just have action happen with real attention.

Because you know, this is a universe in which death can happen. Characters can die in this movie. And still get jokes and bends laughing at how excited the story is so funny when she forgets that they're being chased. And then launches the missile so that they go back towards the shark. Yes, yes.

Yes. This is dope. Any dory joke like that works. We should call this out too. This is the other thing is that dory can read English even though she can't remember things.

Pretty too all the way.

“That's the reason that Marlon has to stick with her because the only thing they have to lead them towards Nemo is the address written on the back.”

Yes, I'm sure this is when they find the goggles. The divers goggles he wrecked. He clocks them. Right. We learn she can read English because she sees the sign that says S cup head. Yes. Right. This kind of perfect like he's stuck with her because she can do a thing that he can't do even if she doesn't understand what she's doing. And she's constantly getting it wrong. But then in this like chain of events, it's like going after the goggles and the snap of the elastic band is what causes her to bleed, which is the activates bruise.

Yeah, she's so good to even just do in the kind of I'm fine and fine, you know, like this. This is also a character design that should not be like a plausible nose bleed coming out of it.

She's so fucking narrow her face is basically a pencil when head on, right?

When eyes sticking out either side. And she's just got like a nose pump in a mouth. There's a lot of blue tanks at the Brooklyn Aquarium that in your aquarium. Yeah. And my daughter says like story. There she is.

This is an incredibly difficult actual species to get a motion. I got no notes. Yeah. I got no notes in any of the animation in this movie. I think it's perfect.

I think it's the apex of Pixar. Yeah. I really do. Yeah. I mean, maybe Ratatouille, like Ratatouille has such a beautiful kind of like approach to all of its things.

I think this is a better movie. Oh that's okay.

This is the five star tier for me, right? Like the five. The two toy stories, monsters and finding emo ratatouille Incredibles. Those are the ones at the very, very top of the heap for me. Those are like perfect movies in my opinion.

I do think Stanton is the guy within Pixar who starts getting most fascinated by the idea that in computer animation. You can simulate a camera in a way that you can't hand around. And he pushes that really far in Wally where Wally is really selling the illusion of there is a human operator. Like Wally has delayed zooms and shit like that. Yeah.

I know this is basically spoiling our lists.

But do you like this more than Wally? Where are you there? Mucher where I am.

“I think Wally's a little bit more imperfect than this one.”

Right. You just have to like think about when that movie got announced. And it was like Andrew Stanton is making a robot rom-com in the style of silent films. I lost my fucking mind when it was like he's making a robot buster key movie. It felt like they had designed a film specifically for me.

Um, that makes sense. Beca? Huh? Wally or Nima? Oh, Nima. Like Wally is like I love gratitude so much.

So that's not far behind Nima. But Wally, I have a harder time with the things that are imperfect about it. But you think the sustenance best film may be but Wally's more. I agree. Look, this is the end.

This is the grand debate. We'll have over these six weeks. I don't know. It's like a godfather versus apocalypse now situation where you're like every. That's interesting.

I don't find that a tough situation anymore. I recently rewatched apocalypse now.

“It was like, I think I can see that this movie has left me.”

It's a message about that. It's such a big movie for me as a teen.

Obviously, it's incredible.

I also think like the most static things that movie can accomplish are part and parcel with its messiness. Right, totally. Which feels the same as Wally to me. Yeah.

Where I'm like Wally is like a couple steps off of being perfect for me. But if it was perfect, it may be wouldn't able to achieve the weird things that's able to pull off. But this film, it feels like Stanton is with really fucking limited technology at this time still.

And this should so fucking expensive to do and they talk about the methods they had to develop in the strategies of how to stop it from costing like $500 million. How do you continue to visually maintain the relationship between the characters and the water there in? Right, right, right.

Like in Shark Tail, it's just characters floating. In this, they're like, we can't in every shot show the bubbles or the waves of their fin motion.

We can't always show the distortion of, you know, the thickness of the water at this point

at different levels and the darkness or whatever. But they choose their battles really well. They're all these insane hacks they do. We're basically, they create one texture surface, which is the surface of the water whenever they're peeking their heads up above.

And then they copy that and put a different layer on top of it and make it the ocean floor. So basically the sand in the water or the same element. But one is fixed and one is in motion. Similarly, they couldn't figure out how to make the enemy.

And the monster's team, which was working on the other side of the studio, had cracked the fur thing. And someone went, "Oh, if you take a ball of fur and then like size it up like crazy, so every strand is really thick." Wow. Then the enemy is just overgrown here.

So there's stuff in like animation that's like when you hear stories about Sam Ramey figuring out a hack for like how to pull off a special effect in a cheap way that this movie is using to like insane effect because none of it feels like shortcuts and it's just so painterly and beautiful. And even just the fucking, the lighting on this movie.

I wanted to bring up the lighting, especially because we're in a crisis in 2026. But it's so thoughtfully done. So vivid and beautiful. And Pixar is like a big part of their process is what they call the color scripts, where they do these pastel kind of storyboards, not of every shot, but basically of every sequence to look at the color tones of the movie.

Which is like a classic Disney 50s type thing as well. To establish the moods of like when is it brightest and when is it coldest

“and when do you need to establish a tone of things feeling ominous versus sad?”

And I think this movie uses the like depths of the ocean to convey those things. Things get brighter when they're closer to the surface. Right. Where you see more reflection of the light. Obviously, the whole English sequence is such a braver demonstration of all that,

you know, that does light on you. So they get away and pretty quickly they're swimming down to retrieve.

When they get away from Bruce, that's when they come across the English.

They don't get a second to us.

No. Yeah. It's better. How many English reproduces? How you know, right?

They suck their index. I'm taking a guess. They're little and they fuse to the the girl English fish and like melt into her and just leap into their balls. And then the female English uses the balls to like make it layer.

Do they come and get the balls back? No, they die. That's the end for them. They made they die made. You know, they're just like.

Go down to be exactly. I mean, nice work if you can get it. And it's one of those like that dimorphism things are like the woman is like the woman. The woman. The female English is like in times bigger than the male or whatever.

Yeah, like the ocean floor stuff brings up like deep sea is as scary and unknowable as outer space. Yeah. The creatures that are in it are alien. This one looks like an HR geager alien. Like it's terrifying.

This is a great call. James Cameron taught us about the aliens of the deep and the ghosts of the abyss. Goes the abyss into the deep. That's right.

“I think it is very smart that this movie avoids.”

Yeah. Okay. If you were to anthropomorphize the deep sea creatures more, it would feel like this is a bad neighborhood in a way that was coded very dangerous. We don't need that shit for shark tail. Exactly.

It makes it much easier to just be like this is basically outer space.

And we don't understand the rules of what's happening here. These characters don't have faces that you can like understand or talk to. Yeah, I feel like if it had a voice, it would be too scary for kids. Totally. Um, you like breathing.

It's already kind of scary. Yeah. And it's right. It's selective which characters can't speak. It's the ones where even just being around them is potentially a danger.

You know? Yeah. So to move on from the attempt to either from this. Pretty quickly we are also in the tank, right? Like around this time as well.

Yeah. Cutting over to the tank. I feel like the tank basically comes in 30 minutes in. Stay with just Marlon Dory for a while. Uh, no, excuse me.

It's right after the Bruce sequence because the bomb goes off. It cuts to the two birds and the ones together. Oh, yeah. It's a really good tension.

“Really good way to bridge ocean worlds and silly dentist world.”

So the tank comes in minute 25. Well, and the tank is like we've already at this point.

We've already been introduced to like 12 incredible characters.

Yeah. Let's throw in a whole. Perfect little chamber piece sitcom ensemble of characters. We're going absolutely stir crazy. You got Gill.

You got Gill. Well, I'm to faux. Yeah. Well, I'm to faux. Baby, Jane, don't.

Sorry. I'm being a Catherine Llanosa. Baby, she don't. What ain't Jane, don't. Baby, Jane, don't.

There's a baby, Jane, don't. In the pit season two. I'm going to watch the early on. Uh, there is a abandoned baby. Okay.

And Catherine Llanosa. Who's going to look over this baby? Jane. It's a baby. Jane, don't.

Yeah. Sounds good. Yeah. It's for oxygen. And like pit fandom, which is very normal.

Not toxic at all, total regular. One of the recurring jokes about this season is like there was like predictions for finale. Baby Jane, don. You know, saves the day.

You know, like she will have laser vision, you know, that they keep being like this abandoned base. Yeah. Someone was like, I've seen that ending and just I won't spoil it. But don't look up.

Baby Jane, don. And rocket launcher. I don't say this lightly. Yeah. But just three shows I don't engage with in the last four months.

I've just been reading and singing headlines about the way the fandom is treated as actors. Like I'm like broken containment on like great, like that you are reading a fandom needs to die. It really does. It's really what's happening in pit world. The shit that was happening to the heated rivalry guys.

I'm like, this isn't good, but I'm not surprised. Because you're not such a show. That's driven on us for a team at where Team Jacob over obsession with. But blankies are great. I love your money.

I mean, I'm your fan. Easy, easy, easy, easy. But then like the pitch that's been happening. And then there was the fucking Percy Jackson kid was like, I can't go. I can't go.

Yeah. They are crossing whoever. Whoever just takes to prom. The fans are going to send death threats. He was basically like the fans have like track down every girl in my high school class

and is sending death threats saying like you better not go on a date with him. Because he belongs to me. Everyone needs to show it. It's just, but it's the internet. And it's the way the algorithms feed us all that.

It's so crazy. But it is the last show I would expect to have that. Of course. And I just keep reading these things.

“I think that's why it took everyone by surprise.”

Yes. Where they're like, what? It's like a sober hospital procedural. And everyone's just like, I can't believe that Robbie did that. He's a fictional character.

They're being there.

They're being real normal.

But everything. Um, this group. Okay. So we got to get. Right.

“And then it's like, come fucking all stars.”

Right. It's like Brad Garrett. He's the pufferfish. We have Allison training from the Westway. We love her.

Steven, we're from news right. Yeah. Brad Garrett from everywhere. I was right. Obviously.

Uh, Vicky Lewis also from news right. Yeah. Uh, Austin Pendleton is Gurgle. Uh, he's. Uh, he's he's he's guy.

Back of the theater actor movie movies. Yeah. Love it. Max from them up at movie. Uh, and then Joe Ramf is Jack.

But immediately everyone has their bits. Oh, yeah. He's clean. Nemo wakes up and sees all the scary imagery of the like. Aquarium's toys and everything.

You feel like, okay. So this is going to be like analogous to him being in prison now. Right. And he's stuck with a bunch of scary inmates. And then immediately it's like, no, this is like a mental hospital.

Yeah. They all have been so sweet. Right. So, okay. Let me try it.

So, um, Gill is scarred. And he's kind of battle. And he learned he also has a bad Finn. He's got a bad Finn too.

They've never stopped him.

I don't know if you've noticed this. The scoring pattern on his face is basically one to one with. Platoon. I was about to say it's platoon right. They give him the same scars.

Um, to faux plays. It's so straight.

“But also, I think it's like incredibly warm in this movie.”

Yeah. Yeah. He's a alternate father figure. I know. I want, I want Gill to believe in me.

He's so good because you're just like, There's a universe in which they go like the joke is your really intense. He's the drill sergeant. You play it really seriously. Yeah.

And at the end, you show a little bit of warmth. But even from the beginning, he's playing the vulnerability of this guy. Um, it's important to that he was the only fish that ever lived in the ocean. Yeah. He's the, the rest of the mercenaries.

Yeah. Um, Brad, uh, the puffer fish. So he, he sometimes he goes puff mode. I guess that's his problem. Yeah.

He's really having a problem. He's like a hair triggering anxiety. Right. Right. It's the equivalent of having like panic attacks or whatever.

I guess peach, peach is kind of maybe the most balanced, but she's a bit of a gossip. Yes. And I know it all. Yeah. Bubbles, loves bubbles.

Yeah. He's obsessed with the bubbles.

“He's OCD and he's obsessed with the little treasure chest that releases bubbles and”

trying to keep them in there. One of the great fish tank toys. Oh, it's not, I think the top. Or I guess no. Yeah.

And then, and then, uh, Deb, I just love, uh, the idea that she's obsessed with her own reflection. It's my sister flow. Who she thinks is a life. So one or not to do so. But it's really good.

Yeah. And then, uh, shock is just a, uh, a high status, uh, a leadest Frenchman. He's got a good actually. Yeah. So they all want out though, right?

Like they all want out of the tank and they have like, uh, uh, you know, uh, of a sort of developing plan that you mo fit in. Yeah. He's dropped into a great escape situation where it's like there have been years of failed plans. They keep on trying things that don't work and he mo feels to them like he offers some new opportunity,

specifically in the fact that he's small. Right. Yep. You can go into the filter and put the stone in the fan. But speaking to how complete the kind of vision of this movie was when

he wrote it, the major changes you hear about in the film are taking out things that were gilding the lily rather than needing to figure out how to ultimately get to things. So like, you know, unwinding the flashback structure. Mm-hm. He originally had Gill be more of a, I don't know whether to trust this guy or not character.

He played him more scary up top. Sure. Yeah. And then he mo gets gilded open up and talk about what happened to him and how he ended up in the tank. And he tells this whole story about his family that went missing and where he came from.

And then nemo finds out later in the movie that Gill has been lying. It's like a joke or do you want to know how I got these scars thing. And that every detail that Gill told them is in a picture book that's in the dentist's waiting room. That he hears a kid read. And he was just like, we don't need this.

Yeah. Just let Gill be actually invested in helping this kid. Yeah. Yeah. This is already a lie or stuff to the Gill.

Right. Right. There were originally two Seagulls. And how many comedy points there?

One million comedy points.

No. One trillion. I know. Oh, you comedy points. You're in debt.

Um, there were originally two Seagulls or not Seagulls. Uh, was a pelican. Oh, yeah. Right. So the one who ends up trying to eat them was originally a fully developed character.

And there was kind of a good and bad pelican. And Nigel's trying to protect them and this other one's trying to eat them. And they were just like, none of this is necessary. Because they are the Seagulls. Right.

That's there. Yeah. But I love Nigel as a character as just as kind of like Jeffrey Rush just plain fucking warm. Right.

Right.

It's funny how they all know about dentistry.

Yeah. Because they've been in this tank all these years. But they're stuck. Nigel comes and visits of his own. He likes to hear the dentist update.

What's the gossip? Yeah. Which real thing he was saying. It's funny because it's like they are out. They are watching the dentistry like television.

Right. So invested. Right. But for them, it's also like studying their capital to be like where where are the vulnerabilities. Which genius about Nigel to is you immediately recognize that is how they are going to get out of there.

“This one's talking about it's like there's such intentionality of this story that any time a character is introduced, you're like, what's the function they're going to serve?”

Yeah. And anytime you're shown a visual element, you're sort of like, oh right. He could keep people in his beak. Right. And none of it.

It's all what everyone talks about being the ideal of what you want to achieve in dramatic storytelling, especially in like foam narratives is surprising but inevitable. It can you in 90 minutes pay off the things that felt like they were. They had to happen. But yet when they happen, they don't feel dear girl.

You really locked in this movie. I see this so many. I've seen so many. But I truly, this is one of my go to I can't sleep movies. This is like a real comfort movie for me.

And you know, we were talking about we did our edge of tomorrow episode on Patreon. Which I guess will have just come out or recently come out. Right. And we were talking about how you will often identify a sleep movie and watch it. Like literally every night for like a couple of months pretty much.

“And then you kind of like squeeze all the juice out of it and you move on to something new for a while.”

Yeah. Nemo has just been in the rotation for 20 years for me. Yeah. I probably haven't seen this movie until you rewatched it yesterday in over 15 years or something. And it was like, I know every word.

Every line for you. Every scene. A lot of the lines are also so catchy. So sticky. This is like full of just these effortless feeling catchphrases.

It's not like donkey catchphrases. No, they're not dumb jokes and so much of it is the specificity of the level. The actor makes a really interesting choice in the rhythm of their line delivery or the character, the design of the character that is saying that thing and the animation of what they do when they're saying it. So where do we leave off?

Well, we've done the tank for a while. The Dory thing. They escape the angular fish. We go from the tank to the angular fish.

And then it is when basically like Dory doesn't absorb the directions of like avoid the jellyfish and they go into the general fish.

Yeah. Or is this Marley does? Right. She sort of remembers that they shouldn't do it. And Marley's like, what are you talking about?

This is the right way. The school of fish. Yeah, they don't like you or they keep in percentage. That's John Ratsiber. That's John Ratsiber.

Yeah. So we're going to get back to them. And then amazing way. Like Marley, you have Marley injected that they lost the goggles. Right.

And that's when Dory introduces the just keeps swimming to cheer him up. That she's also invested in hands. She was able with the angular fish because he used the light like a reading light. She was able to do P-Shermon 42 Wall of Eways Sydney. Yes.

They've lost the goggles.

But this is for the first time she's learning to remember.

Yeah. Which I just think is so elegantly done that it's a gradual thing rather than at one moment suddenly. You have your payoff moments with her. You have the like her making the emotional plea to him that like when I'm with you, I remember things. And you have the moment where the whole neemothin comes flashing back to her.

So proud of herself right now for she's like I've remembered that. It's incremental. You give her little victory. So it's not just like at one point in the movie suddenly she's fixed. And because her will a she repeats the she repeats it a hundred times.

“But also like because the remembering that address is something so emotionally important to her that like I won't remember that address of a house I grew up in.”

But I'll remember P-Shermon 42 Wall of Eways Sydney until like I die. And especially her riffing on it and her turning into the songs. Ask me again and I'll tell you P-Shermon 42 Wall of Eways. So they get to this trench and the trench looks dark and scary. Marlon.

Sorry I was pulling up to remind myself where I was instead I just got the scary sounds of the trench. And Marlon is obviously like well we don't want to go through the dark scary trench. We need to go over a fish who she had asked for directions earlier. It's the school of fish. It's the final thing after they've been making fun of Marlon and he's like fuck these guys.

Then they're like one last thing but it's after he swam off. So only she's there to hear it and they don't know that she can't remember. Oh right that is then. I thought this happened later in the movie but I'm getting them confused with the school of fish in the end to well get to. We're also a big silver school of fish.

But the clockwork kind of precision of just like there aren't any cheats in the story.

They're so specific like the conflicts they find themselves in why they're there, why there isn't an easy out.

“Why they need to fight to work through the thing.”

Like if Marlon wasn't offended by them mocking him because he's so self-serious. Then he would have heard the thing about the trench. Right and he doesn't like asking for directions. She's very friendly. She doesn't mind going up to anyone.

His stubbornness screws that. They do the like hey is this fellow bothering you? Yeah. So they play game of charades to cheer her up. And then because and so we've seen that they can move in this really fun way.

And then they do a big arrow because they tell them they need to get to this. EAC. Oh right. They say they know where Sydney is. Showed the little waves.

They show the opera house. They turn into Marlon and they do like a sad face. Marlon which is pretty funny. They do a mocking impression over his shoulder. They are funny.

Yeah.

And then give them the directions.

Right. Swim through not over. Yeah. He doesn't trust her. So they get he distracts her.

He's like look, a shiny thing. And they go. The jellyfish fucked them up. Yeah. So this is the sequence.

And then they're woken up. I mean we cut to the tank.

“And then when we cut back to them, they're woken up.”

But it's so scary and tense and so beautiful. It's another camera decision where he said they animated this whole sequence. And he was like, it looks to need and clean and perfect. There isn't tension to this. And the guy who was head of camera on the movie was like, let me try something.

And he clicked twice to zoom in. Like literally just did that. Sure. And did it kind of like arbitrarily. Right.

And Stanton was like, oh, if the compositions are asymmetrical, if the jellyfish's bodies are cut off. Right. And it feels like there's just this weird environment that you can see as full bodies. And so all of the camera placements within the sequence, which is a lot more quick

cutty or all kind of a little disoriented kind of they stop the camera from getting wet. Really good question. It's a fun sequence. Fun. We're getting to the turtles.

Turtles. Okay. In my opinion, the most positive representation of a California in the world. This is a really good take. Like of that kind of like the surfer dude thing.

Interesting. A Massachusetts and no, though, he's probably lived in California for like decades at this point. Yes. Doing like a surfer dude to accent. Yeah.

Oh, man. You know, right. But it's like the whole point of crush is he's just like, I'm 100 years old or 150 or whatever he is. Look at me. I'm fucking chill.

They're not knowing about this guy. He's not forcing his world view on it. It's the more awesome the more you're like, this guy's got it fucking figured out. She's like, you know, when there's like cool teen, like when there's cool Jesus for teens. Do you know what I mean?

Crush is cool Jesus. Uh, you think he's kind of like a youth pastor, but like a really nice youth pastor. He's like the cool Jesus. He's the cool hippie Jesus that the youth pastor is talking about. Yeah, he's like youth pastor wishes he could be crushed.

He is show he's demonstrating an extremely different parenting style. Right. Marlon is being exposed to. It is actually a healthy much less healthy kind of parent to find his right. A way to teach your kid.

A way of kid learns to be safe in the world is to fail or fall off the swing. It's the same you're in. In their choices and feel like it's based on experiences rather than rules being placed around them. Yeah. Have a sense of adventure that feels safe.

And just the whole idea of like, you know, locating the EAC is a real phenomenon. Then being like, man, okay, so turtles would they be like surfers. Yeah. If they're literally just in the flow of this. It's sort of like a highway.

Right. Like when you see the fish that are merging on. But it also is sky diving. Yeah, right. Yeah, right.

Right. Oh, when squirt gives their big, like sky diving. Yeah, okay, we have a great jump today. Totally. I mean, incredible performance from Stanton. It's another one of these early examples where he was a role that the earmark of like, well,

at some point will hire like a celebrity to do it. And he would do it in all the story reels. Brad Bird doing it in a mode or whatever. Right. Well, that's the opposite story where they hired much like William H. Maysee.

It's never been named, but everyone believes it's Lily Tomlin.

That he hired Lily Tomlin and she was doing the records. And he kept on giving her really specific directions of being like, no, I think it's more like this and it's more like this. And Lily Tomlin, Lily, excuse me, I got myself to a tongue twister.

“Lily Tomlin literally goes, I think you should just do this.”

Yeah. Why don't you do it then? And then he just does it. I didn't know it was born. Right.

This was the opposite where when they were not mode. When they were in the early stages, everyone around Stanton was just like, you should just fucking do this. He's like a lion shirt. Well, all the Pixar guys at this point in time are Hawaiian shirt guys.

It's a little prettier. He's got that New England thing.

Yeah. But this is outside of himself, but he just like he fucking found the character. No one's going to do it better. Should I have a Hawaiian shirt? No, absolutely not.

That would be a fucking night to never.

“I think you're wearing a baseball shirt and it's awesome.”

I'm in my metzer. Yeah. That's your buying jerseys. So the other thing as we've been saying about how all the character choices make sense for the type of animal.

Yeah. This type of more relaxed parenting style not only that they're surfers and whatever else, but it's also because they hatch their eggs really far away. Yeah. And Marlon goes, how do you trust that they'll come and swim all this way and the big big ocean and find you.

And it's like, oh, when they're ready, they'll, when you know you know, you know. What it's finding those gifts of like you do research on different species and you go, oh, that's interesting. That's an interesting character detail rather than forcing things on to characters. You find these discoveries.

I want to mention that in between right before Marlon waking up. Oh, you have tank stuff. Yes. You have the first attempt to tank a skate. Yep.

Which is genuinely like pretty obsessive. That's a human strength of Jones type. I really like that it's a moment for Gill. Yes. To be like, I pushed the kid too hard or like I was being crazy like thinking this would work.

He's only been dealing with other adults. And that he's pushing Nemo to the same extent. He's the opposite of Marlon. We're rather than not letting him do anything. He's making Nemo do too much.

Yeah. So he pressure him. The plan is because Nemo's small. He's going to swim into the filtration system and jam one of those little tank pebbles into the rotator. Yeah.

To jam it and then the tank will get gunky. They will all have to be put into little bags while the dentist cleans it. We get a really fun visual where he's explaining it. And it's going to work and talk about the camera placement. It's like just POV of these bagged fish rolling across the highway.

“Stan, I think he talks about it as the finisher sequence.”

He's like, this is my homage to the fight club. Here's how we're going to infiltrate. Yeah. You know, talking through it and all the crazy camera movements and whatever. It's really fun.

It is a really smart plan. It's a good plan. But it has this assumption to it that I do like that it's like there's a fish logic. Yes. Of humans will only do one thing.

Right. And they don't realize that like, yeah, human can just fucking go on Amazon and buy like a new filter. But I like that Nemo gets close. Like it's not like it's a total failure. No.

But it is so scary. Yeah. That it does actually set Marlon back and not Marlon. I'm sorry, Gil. It makes a question everything to a degree where he's just like,

These are the lies I'm telling myself. So I can survive in this fucking tank.

We're never getting out of here.

Right. And it flips the dynamic where Nemo is going to have to console him basically. Because Nemo finally does it because he hears about his dad's heroist. Well, I'm sorry. Let's just run through.

Because I need to. That's coming out. Because you have this lesson with the turtles. Right. And they they send him off the EAC.

But they start spreading the message. Right. This is a sequence that they talk about is just like kind of Pixar at their best. We're one night. They were like fuck.

We got to solve this story. Problem.

“How can Nemo possibly receive a word that his father is looking for him?”

At this point in the movie, wouldn't he just give up? How do we stop the character from just conceding? And they're just like, well, what if it's a fucking like game of radio, right? What if it's a chain of conversation? And then what are the opportunities for characterization and all of those things?

Because all these have to be like a four-second gag of what's funny is, oh, our swordfish, like upper crust British fence service. And they basically just like write this all in one night. All due the voices. These are all Pixar people.

It's all like Peterson and Stanton like repeating different, you know, archetypes and cultural stereotypes. And it's like a really fun journey that just feels like a fun story exploration. But then you get to Nigel hearing it. Nigel recognizing it being like, I got to tell the clown fish. But you can tell that he's like, this is going to mean a lot to this kid.

I got to tell him right away, flies through with urgency. Nemo immediately is like, what? Actually, no, not possible. He's immediately heartened and then rejects it as like, that is not a thing my father could do.

That my dad would never battle a shard, like let alone even, like Sandy Plankton's dad.

What do you mean battle a shard? If you told him your dad is just swimming really far to get to you. Even that would test his. Yeah. His notion of his father.

But this is a beautiful moment because he Nigel says some identifying features about Marlowe's fortfish trout tuna. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Marlowe. Yeah.

You said he fought a shark, I heard he took down three.

Right.

He realizes the expression of his father's love and a way his father could never say to him.

The understanding of what his father has gone through to try to get to him. Yeah. I just find it. Right. I think you're right.

“I think it's very emotionally, it's very beautiful.”

And so Nemo makes up his mind. He's going to try the plan again. Gill wouldn't have wanted to push this appears in a cut. Yeah. Nigel's telling the story.

All the other fish on the tank are so excited for Nemo. And then they realize he's missing and he's already gone back up the pipe. It's like hearing of his father's bravery has emboldened him to believe that he can do things as well. Uh, we should also of course we around now is when Nemo, when Marlowe and Dory get sucked into a whale. And Dory speaks whale to the whale.

But that's right after this and that changes humanity for us. It changes the world. Everyone just could not stop talking about it. It was it was seismics whale. It is so funny having seen finding Dory so many times.

No, because my daughter vastly prefers it to finding Nemo. And uh, and that movie I think is pretty fun. And we will talk about it on this show. Yeah. But the way that they're just like, well Dory has to speak whale.

That should be crucial actually.

The fact that Dory doesn't know where a family was. That's the emotional arc of the movie. That throw away line like in the first movie. Where did Dory learn just to read. Correct.

Like to basically like, what are the things about Dory? Now that is the spine of finding. I like that movie a lot. Everything that drives me crazy. Again, it is the checklist DC.

Yeah. I hate that and prequel type. Yes. Like I hate that they bring the turtles back, even though I love crush. And it just feels like they're like,

“guys, you have to bring the turtles back.”

We need to sell like turtle march. You know, yes. There's stuff like that that's really annoying. Turtle talk. We'll get into as well.

We'll get into turtle talk. Um, but whale. Yes. The whale. The whale, the speaking whale.

Is just, that is one of the most. Biblical, ancient, important. Go off. Arctypes in myths and sagas and legends. Sure.

These are all of the whale. You're still swallowed by a whale. Yeah. You just have to do it. Pinocchio, one of the greatest animated films of all.

Time. Through. Swallowed by whale. Yeah. I think it's sort of the best to core.

Inside of a whale. Yeah. Yeah. Baleen. That's their little teeth things.

Yeah.

“Which is so funny because you think of them as being sort of soft and small.”

But they're so packed in and hard when Marlon's trying to escape. But anyway. They taste buds being so pronounced that the fish can hang onto them. That part for, I do not like Marlon rubbing up on the taste bud. And also the water coming, like as slowing against the, where the whale is swimming, it's so interesting.

Yeah. What a crazy. Then having this fight where Marlon's like really reaching a breaking point with Doria, being like, you keep thinking you can do, you know, you can speak to whales. You can re, you can do all this fucking shit.

And meanwhile, it's just the whale approaching them so fucking slowly. Right. And because of the weird perspective and lighting and all the tricks in the water, she's going like, hey, little fella. That's so fun.

That's little fella. That's pie a cotton. Yeah. That's pie a cotton. He is such a pie a cotton because he is helping them.

It's interesting that way of water inverts what you're talking about, where the villains go inside the whale and do something terrible. Take their immortality Jesus. Yeah. Well, that's a lesson. Whales are something grander and more sacred than us.

Yeah. And we can't be trying to mess with it. True.

I do like that the whale basically becomes a location.

Right. That it's like, where they have a brain and they talk it up. Right. But I like back his thing. I like right also this kind of like they're passing through a siege perilous here.

Yeah. The biblical thing. Yeah. That they are transformed by being expelled from the whale. Right.

And it's much like Nemo's character growth happening in him listening to Nigel's story, like just really elegant show don't tell stuff through action. It's just such a fucking perfect piece of screen writing. When Marlin is yelling at Dorie, right. For trying to come up with a solution for how to save themselves.

Yeah. And he's just saying, no, to everything she's fucking doing. And then he finally breaks and says, my favorite line. You think you can do these things, but you just can't Nemo. And what I love about it is you see the shock on her face, the reaction of why he called me Nemo.

She can't quite comprehend it. But then it cuts back to him and he looks so fucking embarrassed. Like he realizes what he just said. Yes. Well, that's what he's like Nemo.

I thought your kid is Harbo Chico. Fabio. Yes. But that he gets it the second it comes out of his mouth. What?

Harbo. Just laughing about Dorie. It's another class of comedy thing anytime she confidently says the wrong name.

No.

He just has to correct her so fast.

So Nemo is a very fun word to say. It's awesome that it said like a trillion times in this movie. It's a really cute fun name. Of course Nemo himself escapes all by himself. Like, you know, Marlin does not rescue Nemo.

No, right? He's there for Nemo when he comes out of the. Yeah, you know, into the harbor right out of a sink. But also Dorie is correct. Like Dorie gets them out of the fucking door.

Dorie's been talking to the whale this whole time. Well, it's dark. And I think whales don't speak the same language as all the other fish. There again, like the Tolkoons, like on this elevated plane of intelligence. The same way that we can't speak the same language of whales, but whales do have language.

Yes. So that's sort of what's happening here in my mind.

“She's communicating with the whale. The whale is like, you need to do the counter intuitive thing.”

Which is fall down into my throat so that I could then blow you out of driven you to Sydney. I'm dropping you off.

Which is also what teachers Marlin to trust Nemo.

Yeah. Nemo's escape. That she's doing the counter intuitive thing. Why would you go deeper into the whale? And Nemo similarly is not trying to swim up out of the net.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's how we're going to escape this thing. It's about swimming down also because, yeah, when the fish have to get scooped out, usually to be sent to their doom at the hands of Darla.

It's in a little net. And if a lot of them are in the net, they can break it. And Nemo, you know, the big transformation is he knows what to do. He persuades Marlin to let him do it. Marlin, you know, let's do it.

Marlin has the wherewithal to let him do it and they escape. The story thing I love across the toy store and movie is that also feels very influenced by Indiana Jones, where you set out like, here is the clear plan. This is what needs to happen. And the order of actions that will get us to the other side of this thing.

And then immediately she goes wrong. And your characters have to improvise. But it's like a heist movie where you're so trained into how this is supposed to go. That it's exciting every time they have to veer off of the plan. And the movie is telegraphing the all drains lean to the ocean thanks so loudly throughout.

As like, if they can just get there, then they're in the clear their safe. Yeah. It is a thing the Pixar people have talked about that there were a lot of incidents after this movie came out of a kid's fluffy thing. Fish done. Fish like they're not gonna.

Because they thought I was making it to the harbor. They thought that was a documentary. Oh no. Fish shells went way up after this movie. And like aquarium attendants, I feel like permanently went up after this movie.

Oh, yeah. But there was a lot of kids trying to free fish by flush them. I do think there's a very beautiful of it's time sort of why to k-frutiger arrow. Vivid blue and orange, like aesthetic to the whole thing that feels like it was. Those are the biggest tolerance.

I also like calling this fruit. Is that how you say it? Frutiger arrow? Sure. Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

Like, like that one window is background. Yeah. A little fruity. Yeah. Frutopia, I miss.

That is like crush and squirt. Yes. I miss my like windows 98. Bring it back. Bring it back.

Also a good reason for them to be clown fish is the blue orange contrast. This is the best contrast. Um, so. Did you know if you ate a clown fish that it would be gross because they're covering a special

“new customer protect them from the enemies that they live in?”

And then, and then, and then. All right, kid, don't knock yourself in. Um, no, no, and then, then we're done. Like, I mean, right? Like, it's like, oh, we'll speak, we skipped over.

Right. You think you're in the clear when he escapes. Right. Well, the tank is super fucking dirty. Oh, sure.

Awesome. How old is freaking the fuck out? Can't you see the rolls around it by ship? Which they caught him all. Yeah, she goes.

Right. The dentist is just coming in. And he takes his readers digest into the bathroom. Right. Yeah.

Is that when that happens? Yes. And the kid in the waiting room is reading the Incredibles comic. I don't know if you know this. And there's a little buzz like you're in the toy chess.

Yeah. Um, but the thing they didn't account for is that he would just buy some new high-tech cleaner and install it while they were sleeping. Yeah. That he doesn't need to take that out or he took him out, but put him back in really quickly.

So they wake up the tank as clean. All hope is lost. Right. Um, it does not know that Dory and Marlin have gotten so close. And today is the day that Doryla is coming.

And she's going to take Mimo and shake him until he dies. Yeah. She even gets her hands on him.

I mean, she's got him for a second.

She gives him a hearty shake. Yeah. Yeah. She's like the opposite.

“I think a lot of like the depiction of Australia.”

And this was just this, you know, kangaroo jack.

Mm-hmm.

And you know, the first decade of life.

Uh, and it so goes against the lovely intelligence children of Blueie. Mm-hmm. Doryla makes it seem like the children of Australia are monsters. I do think it's vital in Blueie. That Blueie is a relatively obnoxious child.

Yeah, but she's not like, Doryla is like, Oh, no, Doryla is much worse. But I mean, like, I mean, I just, We'd have one point. We'd have one point.

Uh, someone with a character with an Australian accent. Calls Dory Blueie. Oh, she is. No. She is blue.

Uh, but you know, in Blueie, like, one of my favorite episodes of Blueie, usually controversial episode is the one where Ellen comes out. The puppy episode. They're all puppy episode. This is true.

Uh, is the one where Bingo, you know, first they both turn into Blueies, right? Bingo turns into Blueie, like Bingo paints herself blue. I don't know about this. Oh, it's so good. It's called Mini Blueie.

Why is it controversial?

I'll tell you in one second.

So Bingo turns herself into Blueie and Blueie's like, This is where it's like, if you're Blueie. Mm-hmm.

“And essentially, he's like, you need to be more obnoxious.”

Like, you are not like you are the good sister. Okay. I'm the more annoying sister. Like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I saw that when he tells you to do something right.

Ignore people, be a little bossy. Make weird noises. Yeah. Yeah. And they do that for a while.

And then Blueie's like, this is boring. How about I be Bingo? And so they both turn into Bingo. Okay. Blueie paint.

And then, you know, they're being nice and helpful. And the dad goes, this rocks. This is great. Oh, it's really nice. Like, Blueie gets upset.

And they, you know, they have to resolve, like, you know, that, you know, Bingo's like, I'm also annoying. Like Bingo helps you. It goes a much sweeter care. But like Bingo's basically like, of course, like they think that, but like, I'm also

annoying and weird and demonstrate how. But then the episode does end with a dad being like, but it's kind of wrong when she was being Bingo, right? And a lot of fans don't like it because it's like, it's not an example of amazing parenting.

Like, the dad never really apologizes.

I want to be these perfect parents all the time. That's why I love it. The issue with the Blueie parents is they're too perfect. So we need these moments anyway. Great.

Where are we at?

“Here's the thing I like in the movie, and I like this just when movies can give”

me this feeling where you feel like it's wrapping up. And you're like, it's a shame I've been having fun. I guess if it's time to end, it's time to end. But I could watch some more of this. And there's basically a fake out day and a lot, right?

Like, yeah. Darlas here, ticking clock, it's coming to a head. Marlin and Dory have made it like basically right. And Nigel's mouth, which was another moment of learning to trust because. Yes, he's like, you need to hop in my mouth.

Right. I mean, simplified. This is the only thing the other Pelican needs to accomplish is just being. Uh, basically non-speaking right. Yeah, they're all like lads who are perched above a fish and chips stand.

We also need to call out the mine Seagulls who we haven't even talked about. Right. Which we're also, do you say Bruce is a breakout star? The Seagulls. Where?

Oh. Human. Um, yeah. Seagull, mine? Mine?

It's just another really good identification of like, what do Seagulls feel like to us when we see that? Right. Yeah. Um, so, and also, uh, Nemo is playing dead.

Yes. So that he'll get flushed down the toilet. Yeah.

“And that's what Marlin and Dory come in on.”

Right. Think. The dentist is scooping him to give to Darlas. Gilles final advice is to play dead. Yeah.

He wants to get to the drain. Um, but yes, there's like this tension of, uh, Nigel getting Marlin Dory to the window. They make it. They're just in time to see what they think is Nemo dead on the counter. So they give up Nemo wakes up.

Gilles recognizes the panic of this moment and does what is potentially the sacrifice of load me into the volcano. Another thing we've set up in the movie that doesn't feel like it's going to be a sort of mechanic for action. Right. It was just sort of a fun gag that they could make the volcano. Right.

That's just part of the ritual, but then we've shown that like it's not actually dangerous. But of course. Yes. You could launch yourself from that. So they all work together in the launch skill over to the dentist's tool tray.

Right. Who uses basically the tools to break Nemo's bag to be able to let Nemo flip into the drain of the dentist's bit sink. Uh, but it's too late in the sense that Marlin and Dory think it's too late. Right. So Nemo is flushed to see.

And Marlin and Dory are back in the ocean and Nigel also thinks Nemo's gone, and it's like, "I'm sorry." I'm sorry. I truly am his second. I'm sorry. Truly.

I'm really gets to him. In gravity of it. Yeah. And then he just fucking flies away. Yeah.

And Marlin has his lowest moment of just like, I mean, Jenny wouldn't agree. Yeah. He's crossed to ocean. He can so close. His son is dead.

And he's like, Dory, we're going our separate. Please not even angry at Dory at this point. Yes. But it's just like, I, I, it's over.

I'm able to remember and he's like, I don't want her.

When I'm with you, I'm home. Yeah. Yeah. She makes her big plea and it falls on deaf ears because he's just going through to fucking much, which leaves her alone. This is where you're like, I felt like the movie was about to end, but now they're all split up again.

Where's the movie going? What moves does it still even have? And it's, oh, Nemo can bump into Dory and Dory can not understand what that means. Yeah.

“So at first Nemo very sweetly is like, oh, like, are you lost?”

Yeah. Right. Very cute. He sees he's just escaped from like the most perilous situation ever. He's seen more than any little baby fish.

But he wants to take care of her. Yeah. He wants to help you. He sees she's in distress. Right.

Once again, like, if Marlin had listened to Dory's plea, he would have been reunited with his son in five minutes. Yeah. Right. So Marlin goes away. There's these crabs who are key fun.

Dory doesn't remember. You have the moment of like Nemo. That's a nice name. Yeah. Really funny.

Yeah. Perfectly played.

And then what is it that helps her remember again?

Um, it's like a flashback. Well, what troubles the key Sherman 42 will be way sitting because she has the moment where it all comes flooding back. Yeah. For like Kaiser so same moment. I try to remember what the verbal trigger is.

Um, I don't remember. Okay. Well, so that it would the fact that we're getting sorry. No, no. No.

“It's meta textual that we don't remember and it will come to us in a flashback.”

And it'll be like a parallel and whatever. Yeah. So that happens. Uh, she remembers and they need to find Marlin. Yeah.

Right. And Marlin's just sort of following the school of fish. Right. Me. Could argue these border lines was title with it.

Small. Yeah. So there's this big school of fish. And they're like, hey, watch where you're going. They're like really dower.

He's sort of caught up in that. They briefly reunite. It's the pipe. I'm sorry. It's the pipe where the crabs are looking to catch the fish.

Yeah. And it says Sidney on it. Oh. She sees that. She reads it.

There you go. Yeah. Yeah. And then she's like, oh, Nimo. She's hugging him.

Yeah. With her little fins. Yeah. There's this big school of fish. And I'm sorry.

But just incredible Ellen to generous line delivery.

She does her similar like seven thoughts and one sentence. Because you're dead. And you're not. And your father. Your father.

She has her one kind of school. Yeah. While she's like squishing his face. Yes. It's really cute.

But we see it. This school of fish where they've just reunited. Yeah. Up above on the shore. There's a fishing troller.

Yeah. This is right. The net. Yeah. It's going to drop a big net and scoop up all of these fish.

Yeah. And Nimo's the only one who can basically say everybody. Right. Oh, no. Because Dory gets caught up at us.

And Marlin is now even though he just he realizes his mistake from abandoning Dory. Yeah. He's not going to lose her again. She was like, we need to get her out of there and free all the fish. It goes inside and Marlin has just got his son back.

“And he's like, you cannot do this, but then it's like, you know what?”

This won't work. You need to trust me, though. Yeah. I know that you can. Yeah.

And you've already had their moment of reunion. So it's what's impactful is that Marlin has just gotten him back. And he's so quickly accepts that he needs to trust him and let him go for another moment. Yeah. He scores all the fish, huh?

Uh-huh. So true. This is so. Yes. Swim down.

This is based on a real event. Yes. They stand right about in the news. There was some event where a school if there seemed to somehow figure out how to beat a net. To break the net.

Right. Which is another great like, oh shit. If you're telling me that happened for real. Yeah. Probably someone claims it.

Yeah. Movies. Right. I mean, like, then we end up back at. Well, the school and all that.

Excuse me. I might open and quote another moment that makes me cry. Where he's looking at Nemo, who has succeeded in treating all the fish. But he's lying kind of knocked out at the bottom of the ocean floor. At least this tier of the ocean floor.

Right. And you have the mirroring of him going to Nemo and cradling him like the egg. And then to console him as he's like half a week. You know? Yeah.

He tells him the sandy plankton thing. Right. Yeah. To me, the lovely moment is when he gets animation. When he gets the what?

When he's like, how old are you? And crush goes 150, dude. Like that just makes me cry. But see, it's because it's so beautiful. The path is good too.

Both are incredible. Both are so sweet. But the fact that he's able to tell him that. And that he knows that. And that he understands the value of having experiences and learning things for yourself.

And that's what he like yells at Nemo about, which is so funny.

Yeah.

“Is both very funny and very interesting.”

Albert Brooks saying the name sandy plankton to. Very important SpongeBob characters. Yes. Good call. Um, and he just delivers it in a really funny way.

And then it's very sweet.

And then you cut forward basically to their new found family.

Right. So back. And now he's there. Marlin jumping on Nemo because he's excited for him to go to school. Um, there's also a credit scene where the tank that the tank tank does escape.

Which is yes. Oh, and squirts and exchange student now. Oh, that's right. Yeah, I'm him. Best.

I just want to say this right now. But okay. It was part of the reason why I was so concerned about the announced that we're even making a sequel. Yep. Is this movie does end just perfectly?

It does. But it's not like the monsters incending where you're like, I truly don't know what you do. No. Finding Nemo does end with like, they live in the ocean in our friends. They could have another adventure.

It's Nemo swimming back to hug him and say I love you. And then swimming off and Marlin saying I love you too, son. Add a distance. You know that he says it to himself kind of. Yeah.

It's good. Yeah. He says go have an adventure. And Nemo says okay. But the last line is yeah.

I love you. Yeah. Right. Right before Nemo got taken away. He said I hate you.

Exactly. With like full force. I love you guys. I hear you. I love this movie.

I will say it does not quite activate my parent buttons in the way you guys seem to be. That's interesting. But like not in like a way where I'm immune to it. Like activate your child of a parent button. Is it more like the opposite identification?

I just like because it's about fish and dory so funny. It's pretty awesome.

“But I think that the stuff you're saying is very well done.”

Like I'm not, you know. But it doesn't, it does, this movie doesn't like. I'm like, it's about how secure attachment styles are formed. Yes.

In the crucial early years of life.

Yes. I also need to correct myself. He does this one back love you. But then he just says buy dad while on Mr. Ray yelled at it at distance. And then Marlin says buy son very quietly to himself.

Right. The end. Beautiful. Fucking robby Williams beyond the sea. Oh yeah.

Okay. Obviously famously if you see this movie. What's the, what's the language where Lee and his suit? What? So there's a language where the edit comes off of the screen. It just says slide.

And that became an old like Twitter. Yeah. I was like, yeah. And of YouTube, then it just goes slides. Well, then wouldn't that happen in like a hundred movies?

Yes, but it's just especially funny. And me, but also most movies don't say the end of the end of the movie. It's Swedish. It's Swedish. That is awesome.

I will find it now. I do know speaking of languages.

This is only the second movie ever that was dubbed into Navajo.

That's amazing. Wow. Here we go. See, here's the ending. Water.

Looking at the shot. You know. It does just say slow. And fact. It does just say slow.

Fast. Supporting actress of 2003. Here were the Oscar nominees. I want to say this right now. Yeah.

The nominees were Renee Salwiger for Cold Mountain. One. Unbelievable. Yeah. Yeah.

Shory Agadash Lufra House of Send and Far. Lovely nomination. Media. Patricia Clarkson for pieces of April. Better in the station agent.

But still pretty good. Yeah. That's a weird one where that movie was a combo. Doesn't exist. But there was a moment of, hey, Patricia Clarkson got it.

It's been good. She has two great performances this year. Let's give her a lifetime kind of pick. Yeah. And the piece of April.

She has cancer whenever it's a little more. But it totally forgotten movie. She's good. Marsha Gay Harden and Mystic River. Kind of an odd nom.

Yeah. Yeah. Holly Hunter and 13. A very good performance. She's good actor in a very sort of overall movie.

Yeah. Ellen's generous is better than all of those performances. Like by far. I mean, she's more than perfect. I think they floored it with it.

But like she might have made a long list or something. She got a couple of, like, she won the Saturn. But the Saturn's are, you know, a little. She got a couple of critics award, you know, like Chicago. I don't know.

A lot of critics saying like, this is the time to finally do this. This is true. I want to have it. It still does not have a full full full performance. No.

There were very few that are at at the level that deserve it.

“It is a kind of transformative performance that I think the Oscars,”

especially when you hear those five names. Yes. No offense to them. No. But that's like good actor's all.

That is a great thing at the time. Yeah. Yeah. That was also a big thing. Yeah.

But that's also like motion. Like we did get a Oscar for, I don't mean film obviously. It was nominated for Street in Play. That's one of the sound in music.

Yes.

The score is.

It's newman's best score.

I was going to ask you. Because I know sometimes you can be a little snarky about newman. Because he has a thing that he does. Yes.

And I enjoy the thing that he does. But I do feel that he, you know, You kind of know what you're getting with a newman score. I think this is best score. I agree with you.

It is a secret power of this movie. Just that even though he and Randy Newman are part of the same lineage, that all the Pixar movies musically sounded so similar. And this one starts so differently. And when you hear the opening strands of the Tom and

Newman score over the the, the anemony house hunting scene at the beginning, you're immediately like, Oh, Thomas Newman's whole thing. He does all the time. Sounds like the ocean. It does.

There was no better sound. It really is. His style. It's a hundred percent. Then obviously Lord of the Rings won that year.

And that is very, very, very good music. But I'm sure already won the show.

“One of the fellowship that you have to give it to him for return.”

It has the beacon lighting. It just, it has the most like bravurish ever did. They didn't give it to him for two towers. No, they didn't give it to him. We want to know too.

Let's find it. Because also the hours. Let's travel through time. I think he's being corrected that the hours didn't win. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Right. Because that's the free day year. Go. Right. From glass.

Interesting. I think this is incredible year. Because catch me if you can is all celebrated. The wonderful Elmer Bernstein score for far from heaven. And Thomas Newman's very nice Roger British and score.

I love that score. Very nice. But this feels like a real. They fucked themselves by not giving it to Thomas Newman. The year where it made the most sense.

And now they're just constantly living in the shadow of how many nominations they've given him. Yes.

And the idea that he's maybe never going to have a moment as clear cut as this one again.

I wonder. The scores incredible. Scripts incredible. I feel and I feel like this is the point you're making. What was that?

Even with the anti animation, you know, stigma's. This is a year where like. Wally becomes a breaking point in 2008. We'll talk about in that episode that as much as Dark Knight, I would argue leads to the expansion of 10. It does.

It's it was part and parcel. But this is a year where people were really like. Do we have to nominate finding Nemo? And it felt like the conversation couldn't get traction even though everyone sort of sensed like.

“This feels as important as beauty in the beast and sort of signaling a change in the industry.”

On top of it being such a seismic success. In a year without Lord of the Rings where you didn't have a more obvious blockbuster film. Maybe this would have gotten in. But even with the anti voice actor prejudice. I feel like fucking Ellen DeGeneres was like seven or eight on the list.

Might have been. And part of that's just how weird and. Kind of weak that supporting actress field was, but you're right. It does feel egregious. That she couldn't beat any of those five. I agree.

I was transitioning, but then I wanted to interject quickly.

I never saw this movie before.

What? That's insane. I was talking. It's true. It is the way to film.

When I was talking about how adults would go see this film. You were giving me a look like you were holding something back. Yeah. It's so sweet. I loved it.

I guess it makes sense that you weren't in the market for finding me. But at the time. You were just enough older than us. And you've also talked about sort of like teenage like fuck the mainstream. I only saw it because I had a dirty film fan.

Like I had no reason to see it otherwise. 2003 that summer is when I graduated from high school. Right. Pretty cool. Now it will say I'm somewhat similar to Dory.

Because at that point I had already really dove headfirst into a lifestyle that has led to memory loss. Ben has written this out. He's reading from our prepared statement. I'm not making funny for that. I just think you're so I want people to know the level of intentionality with what you're speaking right now.

But I think it's it's long. Long term memory. Oh sure. Yeah.

“The short term stuff you remember the bits.”

But we should I think. Introduce the podcast. Oh sure. This is blank check with Griffin and David. I'm Griffin.

Switch. I want to point out as I'm sure Griffin you already know that every Pixar movie before this one had come out in November. That was the Pixar spot. Yep. And originally this was planned for November two.

But possibly because of sort of the aesthetic of the movie. Right. Summer. Summer. May 30th.

There are also a couple other things that factor into that right. One is I think they didn't want it. This not getting stuck in a rut thing we talked about. The other thing that's happening around this time is last year goes out and poaches Brad Burd. Who now is sort of orphaned after one or brother's animation is collapsed.

And part of that was we're worried about repeating ourselves.

And they talk about a little bit like Leelo and Stitch being seen as the secondary film. Red headed stepchild.

“While Treasure Planet was the main focus that everyone was so fucking amped up about incredibles.”

And it was like we got Brad Burd. He's a genius. The script is perfect. We're making an action film. It's a little bit older.

That Nemo sort of slipping through the cracks a little bit as seen as less exciting and less sexy. But there's also this thing that Disney is sort of pushing on Pixar. Which is if the movie comes out in May, we can sell merchandise in May. Sure. Have the home video release come out around Thanksgiving.

Make it the number one Christmas gift and do a second wave of merchandise in December.

Sure. Which basically Eisner pushes on them as like it's big to be a holiday film. But now that we know that Pixar is basically a proven brand and the movie is going to hit no matter what. We'll make more money on these characters if you release earlier. And most of the Pixar movies swing to summer after this.

Famously. What were you gonna say? No, what were you gonna say? Famously what? There's the original Pixar deal after Toy Story where they sign them up for five films.

Yes. There'll be an autonomous company but Disney has distribution rights and will own the characters and perpetuity. Right. And those five films are supposed to be Monsters and Nemo. Incredibles, cars, and a bug's life.

I forgot the first one chronologically.

Where they get fucked on this deal is they said sequels don't count. We want you to make Toy Story two right away but sequels don't count that's going direct to video. Right. When they up it to theaters. Last year goes.

So that's one of our five films. And Eisner goes, no, we get that for free because it was meant for video. That leads to the tensions between Pixar and Disney that made people think. When they're done with the fifth film, which is going to be cars, they're going to leave. Every film was more successful than the previous film.

They kept out grossing themselves. And everyone around Eisner Disney was like, you got to do what you. Anything you can do to make good with Pixar now because we can't lose them. Right. And what Eisner kept saying was, they're going to fail at some point.

One of these movies is going to flop and then we're going to own their asses. Because they're not going to have negotiating leverage. And he was really confident that Nemo was the one. Well, he was wrong. He kept saying to people, this one's not as commercial, fish aren't going to sell as much merchandise.

Even if it's just down a little bit, they're weaker and they'll come begging us. So is there bigger say, yeah? And that basically puts the death nail on Eisner. It's a big part of why he's pushed out of the company that he fucks that up with his arrogance.

“And that's a little bit, I think, why they wanted to go to summer to see, like, if I, whatever.”

But the other part of the story is that it was seen as the secondary film. No one was confident about it. There are these big fucking, like, cinema con and licensing, you know, conventions where they have to go and sell these movies, years in advance in order to get people on board with them for merchandise and for, you know, the theatre partner or whatever. And there was one of these where they didn't have enough footage to show or it wasn't a good enough state.

And the movie had a bit of a stink around it because Eisner kept shit talking yet. And they needed to go combat it. And they sent Andrew Stanton out and he basically performed the movie for 40 minutes similar to the pitch that he did for ambassador. And everyone walks out of that being like, that's the fucking biggest hit. That, that shit, the way he told the story and did all the voices and the emotions and everything.

It's like Nigel telling the story to Nima. And you can see it on, if it's on the DVD and the Blu-ray and the fucking iTunes extras, there's like a super cut of the moments of him doing that. But he basically just kind of willed this movie into not being totally disregarded because Disney kept trying to, like, slide it over and anyone who was engaging with it was like, it feels like this thing has the juice.

It opens to 70 million dollars. Kimagas. Biggest hit in their, in their times of arts. Yeah. And the 339 domestic, 871 worldwide.

It's made more now with rereleases and stuff.

The 3D rerelease, which stand oversaw is what convinced him to finally do finding Dory, but it also added, basically, another $100 million.

$100 million. We'll talk about it. It's number one of the box office on May 30. Number two is the film was number one the week before. I didn't go through May in my head, so the opening movie of the summer is X2 X men United.

That is number seven. Then Matrix comes out the following weekend. Matrix reloaded is number four.

“And I know I think there's two weeks between them.”

Okay. And then the next May blockbuster huge comedy. Oh, oh, it's personal mighty.

That's the earth.

Like also open to 70 million.

Huge huge hit. This month was. America was at just doing great. Yeah. Movies were doing great.

“You basically had four consecutive 70 million dollar opening weekend.”

I remember it so well. It was my IMDB pro era. Right. My mom got a subscription for work. Yeah.

And so I had it. Yeah. It had such good box office imagery and stuff. Yeah. I just remember like Bruce.

Terrible movie. Yeah, awful. It's a bad movie. But it was the biggest comedy opening weekend of all time. Matrix had a five day.

So it's three day was a little smaller, but it opened over 100. If you count the five day. Nemo's the biggest animation opening in history. Mm-hmm. X-Men was the biggest super sure opening.

Yeah. You got pirates coming down the pike. Yeah. Yeah. Later summer.

Yeah. Oh, those crazy. That was two. That was two. Terminator three.

Yeah. Um, but yeah. Uh, number three at the box office. Opening against Nemo. And slightly underwhelming and it's opening.

“But I think it kind of legged out a pretty good growth.”

It's hard job. It's Mark Wahlberg and Charlie Sterling in the Italian. Was a sleeper. I mean, it's a 100. In my memory.

It's pretty fun. It's fun. I've not seen it in 20 years. It looked like dog shit. And everyone's like, why would they remake this?

And then it kind of was a massive kind of like a national grind. This is offensive. Yeah. There was like you're making one of our things. You already did get Carter.

Why are you kicking us even further? I find the British obsession with the Italian job a little insane.

Like that movie is basically like boring until the end which does rock.

Okay. Like the stuff with the minis is great. That's mostly not the movie. Interesting. Yeah.

But it's pretty fun. Do you like the Italian job with Mark Wahlberg and Andrew Norton and Charlie Sterling and most of them? I can't say I've ever seen it. I remember it being huge.

And back when Canada's Wonderland was Paramount Canada's Wonderland. There was an Italian job poster where you were riding in the Mini Cooper's. It sounds fun. David Canada's Wonderland a theme park that used to be Paramount branded. And is not anymore has like 10 rides that are all clearly connected to Paramount movies.

But they lost the license and now they're just generic. Yeah. So top gun is now like flight deck. Right. And the Italian job one is called like stunt track or something.

Yeah. And two Raiders called like Temple Explorer. Yeah. There was a Wayne's World Coaster at one point called The Hurlinator. Okay.

That I don't know about. Um. Yeah. I'm trying to think with the other ones are. But that park is very funny for that reason.

Yeah. The Italian job. That's like stunt coaster. Big icon of the park instead of like the Disney Castle is like the Paramount Mountain. And now they're just like it's a mountain.

Um. But yes. The Italian job roller coaster still has many coopers. And they're like it's just one of those chase sequences from any Hollywood movie. Yeah.

See it right here. I'm going to change them. No. Um. Number five of the box offices are filming you see many times.

Many, many, many times. It's specifically one of my movies. But you don't like it. But you've seen it. Maybe you like it.

You don't love it. I don't love it. But I've seen your sister love this. I do think this movie is very good. This is way up on the list of the movies.

I have seen most in my life because my, my sister Romely passed him future gas long time sister was not a kid who obsessively watched the same thing over and over again. Other than this one film, which for seven years was in concentration. Is Eddie Murphy's daddy day care? Oh, yeah.

We've spoken about this because this was a similar thing where it's like, I was watching this genuinely every single weekend at my friend's house. It's like, we're going to have a sleepover. It's dead. We're going to watch daddy day care.

I think daddy day care is very funny. But I, it could be Stockholm syndrome. It is a movie. I will defend us. Like, no, that one's actually well written and has a good cast.

But also, I've seen it so many times that if I didn't find it funny, I, I wouldn't have been able to survive. Um. Number six opening this weekend. This weekend new is my favorite Eliza Dishku horror franchise.

Wrong turn. Um, which Wikipedia calls the first installment in the wrong turn series.

“It's like, what's your second favorite Eliza Dishku horror franchise?”

Uh, well, those are the one she's done. Uh, do love Dishku though. Who doesn't love a little Dishku? Yeah, do shut up. Uh, number seven.

Are you a Dishbag? What do you say yourself identify as a Dishbag? Yeah. Number seven is X2. Number eight is the in-laws.

So that's where we're broke. Yeah. Bombing at the same time. Yeah. Cute bomb number nine is another bomb.

But a great film. Down with love. Love.

And number ten is uh, uh, probably most important cultural text of

2003, the Lizzy McGuire movie. Yeah. Oh my god. Let me take a look. Open your dance text.

What? A summer that was summer of the Lizzy McGuire movie. Hey now. Hey now. This is what dreams are made of.

Oh yeah. Only risk can take you. Sing for me pal. And adventure is not taking it at all. You're very decent in the finding email message.

A real kind of defining memory of, uh, all the girls in my grade going to see Lizzy McGuire movie, uh, that Friday, opening day.

And the girls were angry that none of the boys wanted to go see Lizzy McGuire. And I quite a big fan of the Xmen.

“And I remember the girls in my grade basically being like,”

if you come see the Lizzy McGuire movie with us, someone will make out with you. Did anyone? No, I didn't go see it. Of course I went to X2 Xmen United Xmen the Xmen are United in this film.

I was like, I'm sorry. You don't understand what you're up against here. You have no leverage in this company. X2 was a pretty exciting day. Yeah.

It was pretty cool. I was like night crawlers in this one. I know. And it was just kind of that thing. I like the first one worked.

So they're going to get to be a little bit more off the leash with us. Yes. You could promise me that Jessica Albo would make out with me. And I wouldn't go see the Lizzy McGuire movie right now in herself. Can we talk about theme parts, please?

So a couple of very important things.

It was revolutionary at the time.

Turtle talk with crush. So Epcot has the second largest research aquarium in the country's within Epcot. It is something that Disney does not take enough advantage of. It's a wonderful little aquarium.

“And I think of interest to David was basically seen as on the chopping block.”

In the early 2000s, all this educational scientific shit is lame. We got to get characters back in here. They have rescue manatees there. So they decided that they had a blockbuster fish movie saved all this shit. The seas is now going to be re-branded as the seas with limo and friends.

And one of the great attractions there is Turtle talk with crush. Yes. So I've seen videos of this. Yeah. It's really at the time.

It was live puppeteering basically. They had an animated model that could do crowdwork. So the audience would be there. Your name is Griffin. So cohesive because you're looking at all these fish tanks at the aquarium.

And then you go to one that's like a fish tank. But it's a screen and it's crush. And he makes jokes with all the kids and it's fun. There's also a little ride where you're riding in shells. And the characters from Nemo are being projected onto windows into the real tanks.

But then there are also some sculptures and you're seeing real fish. It's like they kept using Nemo characters as the bait to get children to engage with real aquatic life. There's also I don't want to talk about it because it sucks but they re-skinned a Disney land. The submarine voyage ride with Nemo stuck. I could not disagree more.

This is one of my favorite attractions. I want to skip over that side. It is one of my favorite spaces. It's not called Finding Nemo submarine voyage. Yes.

convince elevator pitch. You go into a submarine that is on tracks. They make you feel like it's free floating, but you're genuinely underwater. And then it is a technical marvel where you are going around in a loop all the Thomas Newman score. It suits my anxiety.

And you see a combination of real fish and incredible projection where it looks like real animation

is happening outside the window of the submarine. But what? I'm going to be honest, you're selling me. But what was lost? Nothing was lost.

It was already kind of like a dull experience. Oh, you're adding the IP on to it, doesn't it? Yeah, it was more light. It's a unique ride mechanic. A big fake octopus attacks you and you have like a Jocquisto style narrator just telling you about it.

It's just funny because it's so to most people it would be very anxiety-inducing. You're going into a small claustrophobic capsule and going underwater. I think people are on the sub. No, it's a very slow moving line. Yeah, but it's you all have your own seat, the seats face and opposite directions.

Everyone has their own little hole they get to look at.

“I think I would find it anxiety provoking did it not have my good friends.”

And the Thomas Newman score and the vibes and the colors. Maybe that's why I like it so much. It's 12 minutes. Yeah. That seems very long.

I love these rides that are just like. I'm not answering. Shit's going to slow down. You just get to stay seated. Nothing's going to happen to your tummy.

These are nice kind of refresh points in a theme park day of like I can just vibe out here. Yeah, and it's less overstimulating than like a small world or something. Yes, I never skip it. The last thing I want to bring up because I think it is one of the great achievements of the 21st century at the theme parks, which is at Animal Kingdom.

Finding Nemo the Musical. I think this is a really, really significant theme park entertainment. The big blue and beyond. And this is the reap. So a few years ago, they were like, we need to cut down the run time.

Looking so I understand the context. That's a bastardized version. 40 minutes and now it's like 20 minutes.

This was the first time Disney worked with Robert and Kristen Lopez.

This is what's interesting about this day. So they got them off of Avenue Q to be like. Do you know why you're holding a big foam fingers? I signed this so far away, but the way that the stage uses the vertical space for these underwater creatures.

It's some jewelry style. You see the puppeteers visibly, but the puppets are in different ways.

The the Nigel puppet is the most impressive biggest thing. I've outside of the King Kong musical.

“It's like that Nigel puppet is jaw dropping.”

And the song that they do for the turtles is so good. It's like a beach boys type thing. And it's just awesome. I also think not my dad is a great song. Demos where's well, first it's where's my dad.

And then it's not my dad. Right. When Nigel tries to do the story in the big blue world. Like these songs are genuinely for theme park entertainment. It is an excellent family musical.

I don't understand why they've never.

This is my tried to do the low pez over. The low pez is over delivered on a theme park musical. Which made Disney go like, oh fuck. We got to have these people work on everything. Which leads to obviously frozen and cocoa and all these other things.

Yeah. I have never understood why they've never attempted to transfer this to Broadway. Because even just like the visual approach. They they cracked the code on how to make these characters work on stage. They cracked the puppets.

The songs are good. I'm like, if you just doubled this length. And I'm sure they would just write more songs. Easily. Right.

And then so many good songs patched into it already. This thing would be a huge fucking hit. And instead of ever transferring it after like 15 years. They were like, let's make it shorter. And now it's like a 15 minute like greatest hits, a bridge version.

Yeah. But I will never stop.

“Is that just to move people through like why a bridge?”

Maybe kids attention spans nowadays. And also probably some equity thing with the performer. That's like this is a really, especially crush is song. Yeah. For a guide of you singing that it's tough on the vote for it.

It looks like crush is song is called Go with the flower. It absolutely is. But David. The impacts love having shows like this that are successful because they're people eaters. They take pressure off the lines for the rise.

Yeah. If you can get someone to sit down for 40 minutes and you can just pack a house. And this was one of the few shows that people were like, this is actually good. It's not just kind of like a shitty restaging of, You know, there was the alarm.

I know Becca has to go. I'm going to say you guys could just keep going. I feel like you guys will win this for another hour. Oh, God. I really do need to go see it. Has you ever been on podcast the ride?

No, because I haven't been on the podcast. We've spoken about it that then like, I don't know what I'm going to be in L.A. I guess podcast the ride and don't get this is really too much.

It feels like you have been inevitable on this year and the schedule's never line up.

This is the beginning of my life's wish triple crowd. Like I feel like for you like being on black check isn't enjoyable. But like it's a mere stepping stone to podcast. No, no, no, no, you misunderstood. I love the thing.

Well, that's very nice of you. It's it's it's. I love everything you did. A master piece of podcast.

“It's a dream to be on the podcast that I like so much.”

No. Is there no other Nemo theme park stuff? Well, there's crushes coaster in Paris. There's a simulator and Disney C vibe. Oh, crushes coaster.

Yeah, crushes coaster delightful. It's it's very good. It is the exact kind of cell you hate. It's a shell that's moving fast and you're spinning. You're an individual.

They play the kind of surf rocky. Yes. Yeah. I like that you knew that. It isn't that what they're called.

I mean, I want a lot of posters. It's very fun. It's in the zone. Yeah, but you would you would hate it. Bullshit.

Yes. But they play the Thomas Newton and like surf rock score. The environments very fun. They have lights and colors. Yeah.

And that's in the the bad part of Disneyland Paris. Right. Although it's just now. Now they have old off there. They have air and children get to learn about death by watching.

All off power down in front of them. Yeah, right. It's off down on a boat. It's just so Parisian. And it's so the on we have made.

They made an animatronic for me. Like Paris who dies in front of you. Yes. I will say crushes coaster doesn't look that intense. I'm watching.

Yeah. It's a family coaster. This is the other thing with Disney. Nothing. I know.

That is. But that is as close to being a thrill ride as Disney gets. Yeah. No. Oh, disagree.

Well, what do you put higher? I'm saying, even at that park, Indian Jones is way more intense. I made the mistake of getting my brother was living in France at the time. And I took him to Disney and he showed up with his backpack and his laptop. Because he said, I'm going to have to just do some work at some point.

Sounds like a brother. And so he was really worried about the security of his laptop. And he was like, this thing isn't going to go upside down. Right. And I was like, no, it's Disney.

Nothing goes upside down. He was very angry. It may at the end of that. Yeah. Is it going upside down?

It does. It's the mine car roller coaster. It does one loop. I think so. I will.

I will. He was folding on to his backpack. Volkswagen. I will plugvulture.com. Sure.

And that's pretty much it. Okay. Popcorn bucket. They've canceled. They've canceled my ass.

It's bullshit. That's. The man the man doesn't want me speaking truth about. Devil was prod a bucket shape like a bag. We tried to fucking Michael Jackson bucket shape like a hat.

They don't want me. Revealing these stories. And I'll say tried to force the F.

You through critical Darlings.

We really did. So actually, you never relance. Very, very.

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And bring back the popcorn. The bucket still exist. I came in today asking back it to do a bucket trade.

Because I never got the fantastic card from fantastic four first steps.

And I said I would promise to trade her the F1 popcorn bucket that was supposed to be part of the critical Darlings Oscar nominees segment. You're in review. And Becca has made a clear that she doesn't want the F1 bucket. I have five Melania buckets on my desk.

I know what to do with those things. Talk about being worth negative comedy points. Yeah. The Melania bucket. They make me laugh.

Okay. Well, that's the Cronins. The Mummy have a bucket. That's like a dead child. I'm off.

I'm off to be it. They pulled me off the kid. It's an injustice. And what if it was just Lee Cronin? That would be good.

Just to honor. Lee Cronin's the popcorn. Exactly. Let's make it clear our listeners. Let your voice is be heard.

Becca previously on the mastat chief popcorn critic. Yeah. Popcorn bucket critic. And we want this reinstate it. We want the coverage back.

Bring back bucket. Yeah.

“But in the same way that you should all join Blink Check Patriot on.”

You should. This is a good talk. Subscribe to him. He's in. Subscribe to him.

I'm a New York Magazine subscriber. Crash Tag. Bring back Becca's buckets. Sure. Maybe.

The release of this episode June 21. We're on Patreon. Robocop 2 is coming out. Oh. A movie I love as much as finding a movie.

A commentary where we're kind of like. This isn't very good. The whole time. Oh, sorry. Can we take that?

We reveal our deepest secrets. I get pretty worked up. I don't want people to think. I'm pretty worked up. You get pretty worked up.

I get pretty worked up. I get pretty worked up. I think we're even handed in fair about its flaws. I try not to be an asshole. Right.

We're not just like shooting all over. We're just kind of like. It shows up randomly.

We've never talked about.

Let it not. It kind of looks like me. So yeah. You're doing fun sweeps. We kind of stuff.

Yeah. Yeah. Circle. Yeah. Right.

We have or Cal. Stefana Cal. Okay. Steveracle. And the oracle bot all appear on the episode.

Yeah. What about us there? Yeah. Take us out. And when AJ recently plugged a circle in our group chat.

No, did he? Yeah, he did. I think I've been thinking. Interesting. And and AJ kind of looks similar.

Yeah. Sure. Sure. Got some AJ vibes. Yeah.

Little bit. Yeah.

You're just talking about like a guy in a half zip with like hair.

I mean, like not not to insult AJ. It's kind of like a normal looking guy. Yeah. Yeah. AJ's very handsome.

But he looks like the default video game avatar. He's right. He's your sim before you start doing stuff. Sorry. Sorry.

AJ. You're very good. So with every employee is good looking. JJ, especially stupid sexy. So it actually sucks.

I hated spending a weekend with his fucking odd ass. I'm just standing next down. And former employee Nick texts me after meeting Ben being like, What's his skin care routine? Yeah.

I was like, Nick. Why would I know? I mean, that is funny that he has to. I asked Ben. I don't fucking know.

It's my secret. I don't do shit. Yeah. That was my. That would have been my guess.

AJ and his family came into the city. And we got lunch with AJ and his son. And he was telling me that he's he's into SNL now. AJ's son who's like eight. I think.

And so I was asking him about like which sketches he likes and which cast members he likes. And I was like, do you like Colin Joest? And he went who's Colin Joest? And AJ went.

The guy where where he comes on screen. You point and go daddy. Dude. Dude. Someone at one of our live shows texted me.

Like, I think Colin Joest is here. AJ is. Yeah. So Colin Joest. Andrew Stanton.

AJ McKin all on a spectrum. I just want to establish this at the beginning of the mini series. You guys are huge Colin Joest. You're running. Oh, no, no.

It's to sit in the United States. I over heard Colin Joest talking about making edits to a patreon episode. Why is he doing that? I'm going to pee. Take us out.

Thank you all for listening.

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I'm very excited to be talking about the films of Andrew Stanton. I mean, a few filmmakers we have ever covered or will ever cover more can form to the intro of the show. Directors who have massive success early on in their careers and are making. Given a series of blank checks make whatever crazy passion products they want. Sometimes those checks clear wally and sometimes they bounce baby John Carter.

In three films, that's the whole fucking premise of this podcast. That's all. I just, I'm very excited to be doing this. And I'm very excited that we're going to talk about toy story five on main feed. And I'm very excited.

And I'm glad that David's in the bathroom when I'm saying this so he doesn't get jealous. That four keys getting married in toy story five. Four keys wedding. Four keys wedding. Four keys going to make care and definitely an honest knife.

I think approximately.

And as always, he is getting married.

“Okay, I'm just, I'm making these edits here, David.”

You're going to have to be him now. Okay. Okay.

I think that's the lighter.

Born for that role. Yeah. You have to be Marlin.

If you're not Marlin, it's a disaster.

Correct.

“I mean, I think you should just do your Marlin line.”

You've been doing on this show for 11 years. Which is the way. It's like, you think you can do these things. But you've said that so many times on blank chat.

“I think it's one of the best lines of screaming writing.”

Well, it's also like clearly your Brooks is like locked into that line. Yeah, it's my elevator. Right. Yeah. Like check with Griffin and David is hosted by Griffin.