EP: 404 Sixteen Years with the Dogman with Drew Nowlan *members only trailer

but this school is just a bit weird.

And then it's open. No, not at all. Because the door is my safe space. You mean, you can't do everything? Yes, exactly.

Because the door is the door of the door, which is simply different. The door to the studio, the job, or the house. The door is closed. It doesn't feel like the door is closed.

The door is closed? Safe. With the door. My niece, she used to sleep at my parents' house a lot.

“And she just started refusing to sleep upstairs, right?”

And my mom was kind of getting frustrated and she asked her why, and she said, "Well, it watches me." "And watches me while I sleep." And she says, "What watches me?" And she's like five years old, man.

She doesn't know what a wearable face at this point. She doesn't know what any of this stuff is. And she says, "Well, what watches you?" And she said, "The big dog." "The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine."

"Joy the giant." This Smithsonian, and if they found out about large skeletons somewhere, was to go get it, I'm going to assume at least my normal person. It's right, because if one person's right had busted a pair of them, it all goes back to the phone, chair.

“And the problem with the modern day church,”

they had a very truncated view of the supernatural. This backdrop, this is just pregnant with all kinds of meeting, associated with this Mount Herman of the end. "What are we going to do?" "And this guy defects from the kingdom."

"That's a big deal." Sometimes we get off the rodeo, and we go right back in. We'll get right back on another episode of Blur Your Creatures. Thank you for coming on. The show drew.

If you've been with us from the beginning, you know how this goes, but we're going to ask you a different question. Drew, what are your thoughts on Dog Man? Because that's why we're here today. Welcome to the podcast.

Oh, H.I.O. That's right. This is fun, because you're one of the people that reached out to us. We found on the website, in the way people do reach out to us with their stories.

You've got an amazing story that goes, it spans almost two decades of encounters

with Dog Man, a where-with-like creature that most of this happened at your parents' house, which is in and around Norton, Ohio. We're just grateful to have you as Nate said, "Welcome to the show." He made a joke, but we asked everybody, "We're not going to skip on you." What are your thoughts on Bigfoot?

And then I just want to get into your story, and we start from the beginning, wherever you want to begin your story, but first off, what are your thoughts on Bigfoot? Welcome to show. Thank you guys for having me. I appreciate it. Now, Bigfoot, I did not grow up really believing in Bigfoot. My mom kind of, she said that she saw Bigfoot when she was little, so I was open to it, but I wasn't. I figured enough people have seen it that there might be something out there, but I wasn't sure what it was.

“Maybe it was a hoax or something, and then going back to Nate's question, "What do I think on Dog Man?"”

Then I saw Dog Man, and at this point, if I saw the biggest baddest, meanest thing, then anything could be real. Yeah. Well, you've had, as I just said, you've had a number of encounters over, you know, almost 16 years that we talked about pre-rolls. You're almost at two decades worth of experience. What do you want to start with this? Because you've co-responded and spent years researching these things as well. You co-responded with the late researcher, Linda Godfrey actually, your parents' place is in some of the stories I mentioned in one of her books.

But where do you want to start and want to hear? Just start as far as we start, and then let's get into what you've seen in the stories and your thoughts on on this creature and what's been going on in that area of Ohio. All right, yeah, we can start at the beginning. I think that's probably the best place to start. So I was living with my parents for a little bit. I just moved back in with them, because I was going to leave for an academy.

And I've been hearing some things. I was in my second story bedroom, and I've been hearing some noises in the middle of the night.

And didn't think a whole lot of it because they had some my parents have some weird neighbors, man. So I thought maybe they were just like along the fence line checking their stuff. But then there was one night that I had my window open. It was like five or six feet wide. I had a wide open. My desk is right up against it, and I had my music playing of course low, because I don't want to wake anybody outside or in the house up. And I still remember the song, the band that I was listening to and the song that was playing when all this happened is kind of weird how something was going to get weird into your memory.

I'm doing this this work at my desk. It's like probably 11.30 at night or something like that. I work full time with the school full time, so I work well into the night, and I'm doing this on type note this paper, and I just feel like I'm being watched. And it's not like you're at the mall or something. I don't know if there's really malls anymore, but like it's not like you're out in public or something. And somebody's just passively watching you. It's like I'm being stared at, you know. I've hunted, I've run into some some pretty big game, and I had never felt anything like that. So honestly, I was going to school for criminology and we just studied some serial killers and I was like, man,

Typical normal chain link fence for what four or four and a half feet tall. So up against that is like a row of two or three trees deep, and there's a bunch of undergrowth. So it's kind of hard for a regular person to walk through. I mean, I could, but I probably have some issues with it, but that the neighbor in that property was probably in a six-seater 70s.

And at first, I thought it maybe was him just walking along the fence, and then he was walking through this undergrowth like there was no issue.

And I started listening some more, you know, like I said, I had music on, so I started turning it down a little bit. I'm listening. Well, it's definitely a person. It's definitely walking on two legs. I realized, well, this person is not having any issue for this undergrowth, so this has got to be like a pretty, pretty decently fit person. Because there's poison ivy and all kinds of like vines and stuff there too. And they're, they're pushing branches over, and well, this is, this is a considerably size person, you know.

All the sudden I heard this person, like they were, they're walking back and forth. And I paused the music, because I wanted to hear, I was trying to be non-slant, like acting like I was doing something at my desk.

Well, I paused the music, and then I pushed play, and when I pushed pause, the walking stopped. When I pushed play, the walking started again.

Did this a few more times, trying to be non-slant, and each time that I did it, you know, walking stopped, walking started again. So I got up, I got my handgun, because I was like, well, I'm definitely being watched. And I said it next to me, and I continued working on my paper, I had the volume almost all the time. All the way to turn down at this point. I kind of, again, just want to be non-slant, and not really lead this person. I thought it was a person at this time to know that I was kind of onto them, you know.

And then I got this overwhelming sense of dread, like, this person was going to jump through the window and violently kill me. Hmm. I'm not a small guy. Like, I'm not the biggest guy in the world, but I'm not a small guy, but I was, I was actually afraid of this weird feeling that I was having. So I grabbed my handgun, and I put it actually in my lab, and I continued kind of working. And then this person was walking back and forth. And they stopped and they took a step back, and it was kind of at this point that I knew I wasn't listening to a person.

“As they took a step back, the inhale and exhale that happened, definitely sounded like a some kind of creature, right?”

So, takes a step back and leaps over this fence, and without touching it, without jumping and running, it just jumped right over, it leaped right over it. All the trees, and the brush and everything, I could hear where it just pushed through all those limbs. And I broke all those limbs and came through. So it leaped over this fence. My parents had a bunch of chickens, and this one rooster, like, to stay out in the book. I think we referred to him as lonely. That was his name back then,

because he would always stay out, and he was like, the lonely guy, you know. So we tried. He didn't like to go,

and get into the coop in the evening. So sometimes he get left out. If we could not find him, we'd try to go out and look for him, and that might we could not find him. Well, lonely was out, and this thing jumped over the fence, and it was chasing the chicken. So I parents used to have this round above-ground pool,

“and it looked like the people that lived there before had dug out around it just to make it level. So there is a, like, a half semi circle of dirt, kind of, kind of dug out, right?”

And this creature and the chicken are running around in this circle, and I can hear this, whatever this thing is, running on two feet, it's clearly running on two feet. I've hunted since I was, like, seven years old. You can tell when something is on four legs or two legs. It was bipedal, and I can hear it grunting as it sounds like it's, like, trying to swipe with his hands to, it was, like, bending over, trying to swipe with his hands to grab this chicken. So this goes on for, it seemed like an attorney is probably like five, six seconds, man. And then everything went quiet, it jumped right back over,

where it originally jumped out, it jumped right back over the fence, and then it sounded like the chicken had, like, was being torn apart. Okay, something just got the chickens, I don't know if it's a mouth, I'm trying to, like, rationalize this with myself, you know, normal she bias kicks in, like, I don't know if it's a, if it's a mountain line, or if it's a coyote or what, something just got the chicken. So I take my stupid little handgun, you know, my flashlight, and I go down the stairs and out the,

up the back door around the, um, the sun room, and I'm looking along the, the fence, and my mind didn't really register the eyes, a lot of people talk about seeing the eyes, I didn't see the eyes,

“what I remember is seeing, like, this part of the mouth down. I remember the teeth, man. And it almost looked like this thing was smiling at me, I've heard, I've read other people saying that too, and then heard a lot of people saying that,”

and it looked like it was, like, almost mocking me, you know what I mean? Like, like, almost like a challenge. And I could see the outline of the shoulders and these arms came way down, and there is the, the, the rooster was like, really, really, really white, and I saw though the white outline of this big chicken and over it was this massive hand, it was like it was holding out a football. So this chicken was, I don't know how all you can see on the screen, it's like,

So I see this one hand, holding down the chicken, and I wanted to shoot, right, I've been training a lot, um, pretty good shot, and I wanted to shoot this thing, whatever it was, I wasn't sure what it was, I'm still trying to rationalize, but everything in my body said not to shoot.

“And I'm like fixated on this hand, and then I heard a growl at me, it was just this low horrific growl, but I can't do this. I need, I need back up. So what do I go?”

I ran inside and got my mommy, no, I'm just joking. I did, I went inside, I was, I was like pound on my parents' door, and my mom ended up coming into the door, so I guess I did kind of go inside and get my mommy. And she comes to the door, I never bothered them when they're sleeping, you know, I'm trying to be pretty respectful to people when they're sleeping, because, um, but she came out and she's like looking at me, and at this point I'm in shock. I've never encountered anything like this, this is like my worst nightmare as a child, you know, my biggest fear as child was where was, and here I'm like, think I just saw where was, you know, I was, I was saying all kinds of words, and she's what you're not making sense, what's going on, and the three words that I could get out was chicken, shotgun, now.

So only three words that I could audibly, like, intelligently say. So it should grab your shotgun, it's 20 gauge, we walk outside, and I've shined my flashlight over where it's at, and the chicken is just pacing the, the fence now, the things go.

So I'm looking around, trying to see if I can see this thing or any, any sign of this thing, she's thinking I'm crazy, right, and we get to the fence, and the chicken's completely fine.

“I guess in the fence, and she tells me to reach over, and I kind of look at her, like she's insane, because I've seen enough horror movies, and now that's how you get to captivate it.”

Yeah, so, no, I'm not doing that, I'm lifting this fence up, and you can just cover me, right? Do you have a 12, or you have a 20 gauge, and all I had was this stupid pistol that I brought. And I know, I want to probably brought a 12 gauge, but that would have been a mistake, as we'll talk about it a little bit later. And I lift the fence up, and the chicken comes running between both our legs and runs underneath the, um, the deck that they had. It was like a foot and a half clearance. You can't really climb under it, because there's mud and stuff under there, and he would not come out for us.

I said, I'm, I'm done trying to get this chicken, we're going back in the house, right? So she asked me about what's going on, and I'm trying to explain to her that, I think, some kind of monster jumped over the fence, you know, and grab the chicken. So I think, maybe she thought I was a little crazy. I went upstairs, closed the window, put a blanket over the window, I didn't want this thing looking in, and I spent hours doing research, because I'm like the only thing that I know about is big foot, you know what I thought about big foot.

“That's the only kind of cryptid that I knew about. I didn't know there was other things out there, and it, I thought it was a werewolf, right? I think it is, the people actually see these things.”

So I learned about Michigan dog man, and I reached out to a handful, probably 12, 13, 14 people, and the only one that got back to me the next day was, was Linda Godfrey, and we went back and forth, and she's, yeah, this was like a clear cut case of, of dog man encounter, throughout that, right after that time, there was... And she, just for a listen, she wrote that book The Beast of Ray Road, she became kind of like an unofficial dog man expert. We tried to get her on the show for a long time as her health kind of declined, but, yeah, she had like, she kind of is like a journalist who got sort of like, hands selected as the dog man lady, and then everyone was setting her their stories. But keep going.

Yeah, she was awesome, and she knew all these things, and she said, well, this is similar to this story, this is similar to this story, and kind of pointing me in the right direction.

And she included us in one of her books, and then sent me a sign copy of it. I've got it right here, I was showing you guys before the show. And we were in constant contact, she told me, you know, use the segment when you're sharing your story, because a lot of people were just out to use your story to make money and all these things. And she said, there's another story of somebody I think in Wisconsin, where a dog man was like antagonizing another guy in the house, right? Like somebody else's child.

And very similar story, and she told me that what it seemed like was that, and I was wondering about this because the chicken wasn't harmed, it was bait.

That chicken was to get me to go outside, bait for you. Yes. Yeah, that was going to be my question. I don't know how they chicken get out of his hand, you know. Yeah, oh, he let it go. Yeah. So if he wanted it, I mean, he definitely would have had it, and if he wanted me, he would have had me. So I'm very thankful that that it didn't start shooting because now, you know, other things have happened. And now, I'm all but convinced that these things, well, I'm sure these things travel in packs.

So if you see one, there's probably more around you, and had I, you know, shot at one, I'm sure that some others would have shown themselves and that would have been a bad night.

I've heard that about the dog man, by the way, that they travel in packs. There was a one story where like there was a farmhouse, and there was a whole bunch of them surrounded the house. That was like, dude, it's the dog man story. So the ones that freak you out, because you, you can hear people in counters, sometimes they're fun, sometimes they're like whatever.

And the dog man counters are always, did you see like some, like, the Kna is obviously his bipedal. Do you, did you see like any sort of Kna features that you saw?

Didn't see that you saw from like the mouth down, did it look like a dog or was it just like all these things happened so fast. Every time that I've seen it, right, I haven't seen it's face super clear. The clearest that I've seen it was just like right here down, and it wasn't like, I think there's several different kinds of these things, because this wasn't like a German shepherd's snout. It was more like a, like, a weird hybrid between a dog and a person. It was closer to something like the island of Dr. Moro, the one that I saw.

There was definitely some pronunciation there, but it wasn't as long as something say it was. Yeah, the smiling thing, too. Yeah, because this is your encounter story, Nate. Kind of what I saw, yeah. And Nate saw one in suburban Sacramento as a kid looking in your window. He was in the the door of a screen door out to the backyard.

And I took like a three, three glance to be like, my really looking at this thing and it had a smile and a spark.

“And I swear I read eyes too, so that's what I've heard too. I've heard red and yellow, but I haven't seen the eyes.”

I just, I think I was so fixated on those teeth in that hand, man, but I just, to you think it was being you out of the house.

Yeah, yeah, I think so. There was other things that happened to like, so you asked me about canine features. Yeah, there was one time that I pulled into my parents driveway and the driveway kind of goes like this and it evens out, right, levels out at the top. And I had my bright son because it doesn't seem like they like really bright light. So I had my bright son every night that I'd pull and I had my bright son. And here's some of the movie signs.

Yeah, yeah. You know, when he drops a flashlight in the corn fill, he picks it up, he's like, back in it. And they sees that leg. It was just like that. They had, so my parents had North American bamboo in the backyard. It was all over the place.

And these things like the hangout back there. So every couple years, we just go back there and cut it all down. So as I pressed the, the driveway, my lights came down and I saw the leg going back behind the bamboo. And I saw like the back, probably three quarters of its leg. And it was very clearly canine like I could see like the backwards.

The backwards joint and everything coming up with the foot. Hmm. So.

“Chase, as I has like a, have you seen a photo online that looks like a dogman foot?”

Yeah, you have. Yeah. Drives at the beginning. So then what, what, I know that you've got, you know, 16 years of activity. So what, you go, you dive into research, you're talking to the Linda Godfrey. She's kind of giving you the, the download on on this creature.

Pretty sure you've narrowed down the, you, you had an encounter with a dogman. It's trying to lure you out. If this is sort of a, uh, what is, it's, it's modus operetta. It's trying to get you out. What do you think happens if, if people go out?

And do you think people, this could be, how people disappear? Do you think this is something that happens to folks where. I mean, because if, if you're saying you, you're sure there's some other ones around as well. Things is kind of how they hunt and they're hunting people.

“I think there could be an aspect of that.”

And I think, and more, maybe. Extremely rural areas that might happen, because I've heard reports of that as well. But theory that I'm kind of working right now, and it's kind of, it might be a little juvenile. But I think they really like fear. Because when you listen to a lot of the dogman's stories, you know, they, they talk about how the dogman smells them.

I think they, I think they like that. For hunting, you can, you can usually tell at least in my experience. Um, I've seen them in four, maybe five. Well, I've seen them in three, maybe four of my parents have seen them in another place.

Uh, different areas, and there's always missing pets.

So, I think they, they eat the dogs in the cats. It seems like they hate dogs just from what I've seen. Um, so maybe they attack people. But there were, I mean, for years, right? I'd go over there, so for the little bit that I was living there with my parents. Um, this happened like it was almost a nightly occurrence of this happened.

And I never once saw when I'd be there. If I'd go there to stay for for a week or something with them, or, you know, just, just visiting. We'd hear banging on the side of the house, banging on the front door, banging on the back door. We'd hear them on the roof. They like to climb on the roof all the time.

I remember one time my mom and I were sitting down watching a movie. And both of her dogs were looking straight up at the ceiling.

And we could hear the footsteps on the ceiling.

Yeah. Okay.

“Well, the monsters up there, you know, we just kind of lovingly refer to it as the monster.”

Um, but these things they would, they would knock on the door. And on the side of the house, I mean, like as hard as, as hard as you can imagine, you know,

and to the point where we thought the wall could come down.

And that give three, four good bangs. I mean, I actually, in this book, my sister wrote my mom a note. So I suck it in this book. And she, I forget why she was there. But she said, Mom, I let Lonely Boy in because he was, he was at the door.

I thought he was cold.

“But I think that thing was outside because not even five minutes after I let him out.”

Something banged on the side of the house by the bathroom.

Or your room of three times really hard, really loud, really fast. I don't know if there are footprints I didn't check. The snow might have covered them up. This is around 10 or 11 a.m. all the back tomorrow. So apparently she left a little bit after that.

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